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cmaloneymrgoodcat: Did it work? :)00:12
cmaloneywas re: SMS messages in G+00:12
shakes808Evening all,00:51
shakes808Does anyone use MonoDevelop and GIT?00:51
rick_h_jrwren: around?01:06
jrwrenrick_h_: sure.01:12
jrwrenoh. i once used monodevelop and git.01:13
jrwrenbut its been a long time.01:13
cmaloneyI've used git, but not monodevelop03:43
brousch__I've used git and monodevelop, but the usage of each was about 6 years from each other12:22
mrgoodcatcmaloney: did what work?12:56
cmaloneymrgoodcat: Just messing with you re: the SMS messages in G+13:11
mrgoodcatah lol13:12
mrgoodcat.echo did the netsplit screw up bookiebot?13:12
bookiebotdid the netsplit screw up bookiebot?13:12
mrgoodcataha :)13:12
mrgoodcathopefully he should gracefully handle netsplits now13:12
mrgoodcathmmmm i was wondering what Uber was going to do about all of the taxi license problems13:53
mrgoodcatapparently in london you can now use Uber to call a regular licensed taxi13:53
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cmaloneynice.14:17
shakes808I am looking to use the integrated GIT plugin with MonoDevelop.   I think it says that it saves it to my server but I am not seeing the files on my server.   How can I find out if it is just saving locally or to my server?15:06
cmaloney.np squeekyhoho15:30
bookiebotsqueekyhoho's current track - West End Girls by Pet Shop Boys on Discography: The Complete Singles Collection15:30
cmaloneyFuckyeah. :)15:30
enleetenshakes808: use the git command line interface15:35
enleetengit log15:35
enleetenin the root of your git repo15:35
enleetenoh wait and you need to see if there are pending commits15:35
enleetenit would be something like: git log origin/master HEAD15:36
enleetenfor the remote repo's log15:36
shakes808enleeten: thank you. I will try this out as soon as I get home.15:37
cmaloneyI have now hit defcon 1 with Jack Threads invitation mails17:19
brousch__wat?17:20
cmaloneyThey use a company called "sailthru" which apparently makes it more than difficult to opt-out of their "invitation" email17:20
cmaloneySo now I have a REJECt rule for them.17:21
mrgoodcathttp://www.businessweek.com/printer/articles/206401-with-the-machine-hp-may-have-invented-a-new-kind-of-computer18:59
bookiebothttp://goo.gl/S75wcJ - With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek18:59
mrgoodcatthey're looking at 100GB/cm^2 persistent RAM18:59
mrgoodcathttp://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=116845419:02
bookiebothttp://goo.gl/K7IsO2 - 'Missing link' memristor created: Rewrite the textbooks? | EE Times19:02
cmaloneyHmmm..19:04
greg-gfinally a shirt I'd buy from somafm: http://somafm.com/support/glowshirts/19:04
* greg-g doesn't where black shirts well19:04
greg-ghere bookiebot19:04
greg-ghttp://somafm.com/support/glowshirts/19:04
cmaloneyI don't think the memristor is quite as revolutionary19:04
greg-gwhat19:04
greg-g.np Phlegethon19:04
bookiebotPhlegethon's last track - Miles Davis' Funeral by Morphine on Cure for Pain [11 Jun 2014, 03:21]19:04
greg-gno linky for me?19:05
cmaloneyApparently Bookiebot is not a soma.fm fan. :)19:05
greg-gjerk19:05
cmaloneyI don't think it's heard the defcon channel19:06
mrgoodcatlol sorry19:08
mrgoodcatnot sure what happened to that link19:08
mrgoodcatcmaloney: why don't you think it is revolutionary?19:09
rick_h_always strange to hear your own voice back at you heh19:10
rick_h_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFHXN-ao67k for the juju awesome :)19:11
bookiebothttp://goo.gl/korXWA - Juju Core and GUI Roadmap - YouTube19:11
mrgoodcatlol19:11
mrgoodcatbmarked for later watch19:11
brousch__Have they replaced Jono yet? I thought jcastro would get the job19:12
mrgoodcatJorge lives in michigan right19:12
mrgoodcat?19:12
mrgoodcatwhy is michigan so juju heavy?19:12
mrgoodcator is it just my imagination?19:12
jcastrobecause we are awesome19:13
rick_h_+1 and we're sucking jrwren in as well bwuhahaha19:13
jcastromrgoodcat, short story is we find good local people19:13
jcastroand make it happen19:13
mrgoodcatlol hi jcastro19:13
cmaloneymrgoodcat: I think it'll take more than HP to release Memristors to the public19:14
cmaloneyI don't see it in their corporate culture to do anything with it until the patents expire19:14
mrgoodcatcmaloney: so you aren't refuting that memristors are revolutionary, you just don't think it will be revolutionary for HP?19:14
cmaloneyI think they've had the technology for years and have sat on their thumbs19:15
cmaloneyie: It'll come to fruition quicker outside of HP's domain19:15
mrgoodcati thought you were saying memristors themselves aren't a big deal19:16
cmaloneyThat and I'm not sure what the big deal with Memristors are19:16
cmaloneyOther than smaller, cheap, quick storage.19:17
mrgoodcatthey offer persistent storage at RAM speed19:17
mrgoodcatin a computer designed to fully take advantage of them they could make hard drives and RAM obsolete19:18
cmaloneyThat's the hype talking19:18
mrgoodcatsince you wouldn't have to load anything into RAM, it would just be available at high speed19:18
cmaloneyYou'll still need scratch space and will want somewhere temporary that "goes away"19:19
cmaloneyOtherwise secure computing is pretty much done. :)19:19
mrgoodcatscratch space would be on the memristor array, volatile space could be integrated into the CPU since you'd need much less of it19:20
cmaloneyAgain, I'll believe it when I see it19:20
cmaloneyThe way they're hyping this is it's all free side effects of certain materials19:21
mrgoodcatyour voice of reason is probably healthy for my sanity, but I still prefer to look at the posibilities rather than the potential downfalls19:21
cmaloneymrgoodcat: Chalk it up to hearing a lot of free lunches19:21
cmaloneyFlash was hyped in the same way19:22
cmaloney(flash drives)19:22
mrgoodcati do realize that even if the material is as magical as they say it is, operating systems would need to be rewritten to take advantage of it and so forth19:22
cmaloneyand then it came out later on that flash memory was a destructive process.19:22
mrgoodcatflash led to SSD, and i'd say that is a pretty significant landmark in computing history19:22
cmaloneywith finite lifespans19:22
cmaloneyI expect memristor SSD before I expect "The Machine" to arrive19:23
cmaloneyit'll be the stop-gap in between19:23
cmaloneyHP will need to license the tech though19:23
cmaloneyYou can't shot out a revolution19:23
cmaloneyshit19:23
cmaloneyThe IBM PC was revolutionary the moment someone cloned it19:24
mrgoodcatno SSD is the wrong direction19:24
mrgoodcatmemristors don't offer any immediate advantages for SSD19:24
mrgoodcatRAM maybe19:24
mrgoodcatcomputers that boot instantly back to their previous state19:25
cmaloneyWhy not SSD? Faster access with low power?19:25
mrgoodcathow would it be faster or lower power?19:25
mrgoodcatmore dense is the only major advantage i see19:25
cmaloneyding ding ding19:25
mrgoodcatspecifically as it relates to SSD19:25
greg-gfewer/shorter wires means more efficient19:26
cmaloney1TB consumer SSD drives19:26
mrgoodcatthe reason SSD isn't as fast as RAM has less to do with materials and more to do with transfer speed19:26
mrgoodcatthe wires are too long19:26
mrgoodcatif i understand it correctly (which i probably don't)19:26
cmaloneyAgain, they need a baby step like this before they "change computing"19:27
mrgoodcatbut when i was in CE at WMU that's the way my prof explained it to me19:27
greg-gmrgoodcat: you mean the wires betweent he drive and cpu, I was referring to the wires of the actual storage19:27
mrgoodcatgreg-g: yea it would probably offer some limited power consumption benefit19:27
mrgoodcatand shorter wires == lower latency19:28
mrgoodcatbut drives are currently limited by the bus back to the CPU, not drive internals19:28
mrgoodcator not as much by drive internals19:28
cmaloneyThat's fine. Flash is limited by redundancy and cost.19:29
cmaloneySolve that problem first. :)19:29
cmaloneyThen solve the supercomputer problems. :)19:29
mrgoodcatRAM is equally limited by latency19:29
mrgoodcatbut it is orders of magnitude better than any persistent storage we have these days19:30
rick_h_ram isn't persistent19:30
mrgoodcat^^19:30
rick_h_the whole idea of making a persistent change that lasts is kind of the big thing in ssd vs ram19:30
rick_h_they're not the same19:30
mrgoodcatthat's not the argument19:30
cmaloneymrgoodcat: I understand the exuberance.19:33
cmaloneyAnd I know we likely sound like folks bitching about platter storage not having tape markers or some shit. :)19:34
cmaloneyBut I see HP missing an opportunity to get something out there now19:35
cmaloneyAnd proving the technology in the data center before trying to reinvent everything.19:35
mrgoodcatoh i have no doubt if any company can miss the train on a technology it poineered itself, its HP19:36
mrgoodcatI wasn't saying it's time to buy HP stock (although i'm not saying it isn't either), just that the technology itself stands to make monumental changes in the way computers are architected19:37
mrgoodcatlong term19:37
cmaloneyIf it means we get working suspend I'll be content. ;)19:39
mrgoodcatHP is saying it wants to release "The Machine" in 2017, whatever "The Machine" is. For all we know it could just be a normal computer with a memristor array on the MB as a hyper-speed cache for persistent storage19:39
cmaloneyThat's what will be released.19:39
cmaloneyI doubt they'll be able to pinch off an OS in that time19:40
cmaloneyThough I'll bet dollars to donuts it'll be UNIX-based. ;)19:40
cmaloneyBecause UNIX don't care. :)19:40
brousch__Don't they still own WebOS?19:41
mrgoodcatno, but if the technology becomes available i don't have any problem imagining a community supported fork of linux designed specifically for memristor based memory/storage19:41
mrgoodcatbrousch__: yes i believe they do19:42
brousch__Mini Makerfaire in Grand Rapids August 30,31 http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/06/maker_faire_bringing_inventors.html22:19
bookiebothttp://goo.gl/0fSXud - Maker Faire bringing inventors and creators to Grand Rapids in August | MLive.com22:19
gamerchick02oo22:47
gamerchick02that's cool, brousch__22:47
mrgoodcatyea it is22:57
brousch__All my friends23:07
gamerchick02sweet. i presume you're going.23:15
gamerchick02:)23:15
cmaloneyblergh23:52
cmaloneydinner not sitting well23:52
gamerchick02uh oh. feel better, cmaloney23:56
gamerchick02tums?23:56
gamerchick02i'm switching to the macbook, brb23:56
gamerchick02i am back.23:58

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