[00:12] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Did it work? :)
[00:12] <cmaloney> was re: SMS messages in G+
[00:51] <shakes808> Evening all,
[00:51] <shakes808> Does anyone use MonoDevelop and GIT?
[01:06] <rick_h_> jrwren: around?
[01:12] <jrwren> rick_h_: sure.
[01:13] <jrwren> oh. i once used monodevelop and git.
[01:13] <jrwren> but its been a long time.
[03:43] <cmaloney> I've used git, but not monodevelop
[12:22] <brousch__> I've used git and monodevelop, but the usage of each was about 6 years from each other
[12:56] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: did what work?
[13:11] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Just messing with you re: the SMS messages in G+
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> ah lol
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> .echo did the netsplit screw up bookiebot?
[13:12] <bookiebot> did the netsplit screw up bookiebot?
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> aha :)
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> hopefully he should gracefully handle netsplits now
[13:53] <mrgoodcat> hmmmm i was wondering what Uber was going to do about all of the taxi license problems
[13:53] <mrgoodcat> apparently in london you can now use Uber to call a regular licensed taxi
[14:17] <cmaloney> nice.
[15:06] <shakes808> I am looking to use the integrated GIT plugin with MonoDevelop.   I think it says that it saves it to my server but I am not seeing the files on my server.   How can I find out if it is just saving locally or to my server?
[15:30] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[15:30] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - West End Girls by Pet Shop Boys on Discography: The Complete Singles Collection
[15:30] <cmaloney> Fuckyeah. :)
[15:35] <enleeten> shakes808: use the git command line interface
[15:35] <enleeten> git log
[15:35] <enleeten> in the root of your git repo
[15:35] <enleeten> oh wait and you need to see if there are pending commits
[15:36] <enleeten> it would be something like: git log origin/master HEAD
[15:36] <enleeten> for the remote repo's log
[15:37] <shakes808> enleeten: thank you. I will try this out as soon as I get home.
[17:19] <cmaloney> I have now hit defcon 1 with Jack Threads invitation mails
[17:20] <brousch__> wat?
[17:20] <cmaloney> They use a company called "sailthru" which apparently makes it more than difficult to opt-out of their "invitation" email
[17:21] <cmaloney> So now I have a REJECt rule for them.
[18:59] <mrgoodcat> http://www.businessweek.com/printer/articles/206401-with-the-machine-hp-may-have-invented-a-new-kind-of-computer
[18:59] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/S75wcJ - With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek
[18:59] <mrgoodcat> they're looking at 100GB/cm^2 persistent RAM
[19:02] <mrgoodcat> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1168454
[19:02] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/K7IsO2 - 'Missing link' memristor created: Rewrite the textbooks? | EE Times
[19:04] <cmaloney> Hmmm..
[19:04] <greg-g> finally a shirt I'd buy from somafm: http://somafm.com/support/glowshirts/
[19:04]  * greg-g doesn't where black shirts well
[19:04] <greg-g> here bookiebot
[19:04] <greg-g> http://somafm.com/support/glowshirts/
[19:04] <cmaloney> I don't think the memristor is quite as revolutionary
[19:04] <greg-g> what
[19:04] <greg-g> .np Phlegethon
[19:04] <bookiebot> Phlegethon's last track - Miles Davis' Funeral by Morphine on Cure for Pain [11 Jun 2014, 03:21]
[19:05] <greg-g> no linky for me?
[19:05] <cmaloney> Apparently Bookiebot is not a soma.fm fan. :)
[19:05] <greg-g> jerk
[19:06] <cmaloney> I don't think it's heard the defcon channel
[19:08] <mrgoodcat> lol sorry
[19:08] <mrgoodcat> not sure what happened to that link
[19:09] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: why don't you think it is revolutionary?
[19:10] <rick_h_> always strange to hear your own voice back at you heh
[19:11] <rick_h_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFHXN-ao67k for the juju awesome :)
[19:11] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/korXWA - Juju Core and GUI Roadmap - YouTube
[19:11] <mrgoodcat> lol
[19:11] <mrgoodcat> bmarked for later watch
[19:12] <brousch__> Have they replaced Jono yet? I thought jcastro would get the job
[19:12] <mrgoodcat> Jorge lives in michigan right
[19:12] <mrgoodcat> ?
[19:12] <mrgoodcat> why is michigan so juju heavy?
[19:12] <mrgoodcat> or is it just my imagination?
[19:13] <jcastro> because we are awesome
[19:13] <rick_h_> +1 and we're sucking jrwren in as well bwuhahaha
[19:13] <jcastro> mrgoodcat, short story is we find good local people
[19:13] <jcastro> and make it happen
[19:13] <mrgoodcat> lol hi jcastro
[19:14] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I think it'll take more than HP to release Memristors to the public
[19:14] <cmaloney> I don't see it in their corporate culture to do anything with it until the patents expire
[19:14] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: so you aren't refuting that memristors are revolutionary, you just don't think it will be revolutionary for HP?
[19:15] <cmaloney> I think they've had the technology for years and have sat on their thumbs
[19:15] <cmaloney> ie: It'll come to fruition quicker outside of HP's domain
[19:16] <mrgoodcat> i thought you were saying memristors themselves aren't a big deal
[19:16] <cmaloney> That and I'm not sure what the big deal with Memristors are
[19:17] <cmaloney> Other than smaller, cheap, quick storage.
[19:17] <mrgoodcat> they offer persistent storage at RAM speed
[19:18] <mrgoodcat> in a computer designed to fully take advantage of them they could make hard drives and RAM obsolete
[19:18] <cmaloney> That's the hype talking
[19:18] <mrgoodcat> since you wouldn't have to load anything into RAM, it would just be available at high speed
[19:19] <cmaloney> You'll still need scratch space and will want somewhere temporary that "goes away"
[19:19] <cmaloney> Otherwise secure computing is pretty much done. :)
[19:20] <mrgoodcat> scratch space would be on the memristor array, volatile space could be integrated into the CPU since you'd need much less of it
[19:20] <cmaloney> Again, I'll believe it when I see it
[19:21] <cmaloney> The way they're hyping this is it's all free side effects of certain materials
[19:21] <mrgoodcat> your voice of reason is probably healthy for my sanity, but I still prefer to look at the posibilities rather than the potential downfalls
[19:21] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Chalk it up to hearing a lot of free lunches
[19:22] <cmaloney> Flash was hyped in the same way
[19:22] <cmaloney> (flash drives)
[19:22] <mrgoodcat> i do realize that even if the material is as magical as they say it is, operating systems would need to be rewritten to take advantage of it and so forth
[19:22] <cmaloney> and then it came out later on that flash memory was a destructive process.
[19:22] <mrgoodcat> flash led to SSD, and i'd say that is a pretty significant landmark in computing history
[19:22] <cmaloney> with finite lifespans
[19:23] <cmaloney> I expect memristor SSD before I expect "The Machine" to arrive
[19:23] <cmaloney> it'll be the stop-gap in between
[19:23] <cmaloney> HP will need to license the tech though
[19:23] <cmaloney> You can't shot out a revolution
[19:23] <cmaloney> shit
[19:24] <cmaloney> The IBM PC was revolutionary the moment someone cloned it
[19:24] <mrgoodcat> no SSD is the wrong direction
[19:24] <mrgoodcat> memristors don't offer any immediate advantages for SSD
[19:24] <mrgoodcat> RAM maybe
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> computers that boot instantly back to their previous state
[19:25] <cmaloney> Why not SSD? Faster access with low power?
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> how would it be faster or lower power?
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> more dense is the only major advantage i see
[19:25] <cmaloney> ding ding ding
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> specifically as it relates to SSD
[19:26] <greg-g> fewer/shorter wires means more efficient
[19:26] <cmaloney> 1TB consumer SSD drives
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> the reason SSD isn't as fast as RAM has less to do with materials and more to do with transfer speed
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> the wires are too long
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> if i understand it correctly (which i probably don't)
[19:27] <cmaloney> Again, they need a baby step like this before they "change computing"
[19:27] <mrgoodcat> but when i was in CE at WMU that's the way my prof explained it to me
[19:27] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: you mean the wires betweent he drive and cpu, I was referring to the wires of the actual storage
[19:27] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: yea it would probably offer some limited power consumption benefit
[19:28] <mrgoodcat> and shorter wires == lower latency
[19:28] <mrgoodcat> but drives are currently limited by the bus back to the CPU, not drive internals
[19:28] <mrgoodcat> or not as much by drive internals
[19:29] <cmaloney> That's fine. Flash is limited by redundancy and cost.
[19:29] <cmaloney> Solve that problem first. :)
[19:29] <cmaloney> Then solve the supercomputer problems. :)
[19:29] <mrgoodcat> RAM is equally limited by latency
[19:30] <mrgoodcat> but it is orders of magnitude better than any persistent storage we have these days
[19:30] <rick_h_> ram isn't persistent
[19:30] <mrgoodcat> ^^
[19:30] <rick_h_> the whole idea of making a persistent change that lasts is kind of the big thing in ssd vs ram
[19:30] <rick_h_> they're not the same
[19:30] <mrgoodcat> that's not the argument
[19:33] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I understand the exuberance.
[19:34] <cmaloney> And I know we likely sound like folks bitching about platter storage not having tape markers or some shit. :)
[19:35] <cmaloney> But I see HP missing an opportunity to get something out there now
[19:35] <cmaloney> And proving the technology in the data center before trying to reinvent everything.
[19:36] <mrgoodcat> oh i have no doubt if any company can miss the train on a technology it poineered itself, its HP
[19:37] <mrgoodcat> I wasn't saying it's time to buy HP stock (although i'm not saying it isn't either), just that the technology itself stands to make monumental changes in the way computers are architected
[19:37] <mrgoodcat> long term
[19:39] <cmaloney> If it means we get working suspend I'll be content. ;)
[19:39] <mrgoodcat> HP is saying it wants to release "The Machine" in 2017, whatever "The Machine" is. For all we know it could just be a normal computer with a memristor array on the MB as a hyper-speed cache for persistent storage
[19:39] <cmaloney> That's what will be released.
[19:40] <cmaloney> I doubt they'll be able to pinch off an OS in that time
[19:40] <cmaloney> Though I'll bet dollars to donuts it'll be UNIX-based. ;)
[19:40] <cmaloney> Because UNIX don't care. :)
[19:41] <brousch__> Don't they still own WebOS?
[19:41] <mrgoodcat> no, but if the technology becomes available i don't have any problem imagining a community supported fork of linux designed specifically for memristor based memory/storage
[19:42] <mrgoodcat> brousch__: yes i believe they do
[22:19] <brousch__> Mini Makerfaire in Grand Rapids August 30,31 http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/06/maker_faire_bringing_inventors.html
[22:19] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/0fSXud - Maker Faire bringing inventors and creators to Grand Rapids in August | MLive.com
[22:47] <gamerchick02> oo
[22:47] <gamerchick02> that's cool, brousch__
[22:57] <mrgoodcat> yea it is
[23:07] <brousch__> All my friends
[23:15] <gamerchick02> sweet. i presume you're going.
[23:15] <gamerchick02> :)
[23:52] <cmaloney> blergh
[23:52] <cmaloney> dinner not sitting well
[23:56] <gamerchick02> uh oh. feel better, cmaloney
[23:56] <gamerchick02> tums?
[23:56] <gamerchick02> i'm switching to the macbook, brb
[23:58] <gamerchick02> i am back.