| valorie | !info xmbc | 06:56 |
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| ubottu | Package xmbc does not exist in trusty | 06:57 |
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| BluesKaj | 'Morning | 10:01 |
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| Riddell | hola | 10:02 |
| Riddell | valorie: how was the session? | 10:02 |
| Riddell | the trouble with the new apt command is it doesn't replace all the functions of apt-get and apt-cache, you need to remember which ones it does and doesn't do | 10:59 |
| Riddell | sgclark: so... can you get any of this plasma 5 stuff to run? :) | 11:21 |
| sgclark | Riddell: I honestly have not tried, I can make that a project today, needed nap :) was working on calligra till late | 11:22 |
| Riddell | oh gosh don't burn out, get enough sleep! | 11:22 |
| Riddell | where did you get to with calligra? | 11:22 |
| sgclark | lol | 11:22 |
| sgclark | well, seems utopic version had tons of depends removed, thus removing most functionality, wondering why? | 11:23 |
| sgclark | build depends that is | 11:23 |
| Riddell | was it merged? | 11:23 |
| sgclark | ahh maybe | 11:23 |
| yofel | doesn't look like it | 11:24 |
| yofel | what's missing? | 11:24 |
| Riddell | what's the changelog say? | 11:24 |
| sgclark | but why would we want to do that? it invalidates even the descriptions because it does not support those formats without the build depends | 11:24 |
| sgclark | I was looking at the bzr diff | 11:25 |
| yofel | bzr diff to what? | 11:25 |
| sgclark | https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/calligra | 11:25 |
| yofel | right, and you were working on..? | 11:25 |
| sgclark | I was looking at this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/calligra/view/head:/debian/control I don't see which rev did all that red, but all those deps are missing. | 11:28 |
| yofel | uh, they're not missing, that's just launchpads syntax highlighting being crap | 11:29 |
| yofel | the only thing that's missing is libkactivities-dev | 11:29 |
| sgclark | oh haha, well the only thing I can thing that happened herre is wrap and sort then, because I certainly did not removve them. Redownloading the debian folder from bazaar... | 11:31 |
| yofel | ah yeah, wrap-and-sort can't handle control files with comments in them | 11:31 |
| * sgclark grumbles at wrap-and-sort | 11:31 | |
| yofel | we did talk about that yesterday... | 11:31 |
| yofel | what was it | 11:32 |
| yofel | debian bug 743174 | 11:32 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 743174 in python-debian "paragraph parsing truncates on comments" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/743174 | 11:32 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: marble still installs marble-mobile? :P | 11:53 |
| apachelogger | maybe it does again | 11:53 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: what happened to 4.13.2 | 11:57 |
| yofel | needs copy and l10n upload | 11:57 |
| yofel | I have no time to do that properly until evening | 11:58 |
| shadeslayer | ok, I shall do the copy | 11:58 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: should I copy everything? | 11:58 |
| yofel | yes | 11:58 |
| Riddell | fg | 12:10 |
| Riddell | hmm | 12:11 |
| Riddell | yay, I got something working! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/snapshot2.png | 12:21 |
| Riddell | apachelogger, shadeslayer: you guys know how to turn this into a kindae useable system, what do I need to do to get e.g. that new wallpaper you see everywhere? | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | I don't think there actually is setup for the new wallpaper nonesense | 12:23 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: so how does neon do it? | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | generally speaking usable though: you'll want to figure out runtime deps | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: custom scripting in iso generation | 12:23 |
| Riddell | hmm | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | plasma-desktop will at least want to depend on kded and kio-extras for starters | 12:24 |
| Riddell | and we'll need a meta package I guess | 12:24 |
| apachelogger | desktop also depends kwin, powerdevil, ksysguard, gdb | 12:25 |
| apachelogger | gdb might be gdb-minimal and actually a recommends ... that's for drkonqi | 12:25 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: meta package workspace with all workspace packs? I guess | 12:27 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: how do you mean? | 12:29 |
| Riddell | do we want a meta package in meta-kde or a seed like kubuntu-desktop I wonder | 12:30 |
| apachelogger | there can be both you know :P | 12:31 |
| apachelogger | kde-workspace as a meta would simply drag in all the workspace bits (which TBH I find a bit pointless until first stable) | 12:32 |
| apachelogger | kubuntu-next-desktop would be a port of kubuntu-desktop (i.e. mix of qt5/qt4 apps) | 12:33 |
| apachelogger | latter seems more useful | 12:33 |
| apachelogger | (the runtime deps of desktop still need to be figured out properly regardless) | 12:33 |
| Riddell | looks like fredora do custom scripting for that too | 12:53 |
| apachelogger | for what? | 12:53 |
| Riddell | the files for the app menu need to be sorted out (upstream) | 12:53 |
| Riddell | for wallpaper and whatnot | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | doesn't need scripting | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | needs fixing upstream... | 12:54 |
| Riddell | is that Next wallpaper in git somewhere? | 12:54 |
| Riddell | or svn? | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | *somewhere* | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | which is why it needs fixing | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | right now the wallpaper that is configured as default isn't released at all | 12:54 |
| Riddell | elarun | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | not part of the release scope | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | if I install ubuntu-foundations, build all of plasma beta on it, I get no wallpaper | 12:55 |
| Riddell | right | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | from a package perspective you could simply recommend whatever pacakge contains elarun for now | 12:55 |
| Riddell | my plasma doesn't seem to be able to find icons for its widgets, that I'm more puzzled about | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | oxygen-icons is installed? | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | possibly installed but not configured? | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | also there is some icon fumbling going on upstream, perhaps the beta has some issue WRT that | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: on today's build I have breeze icon theme as default which falls back to oxygen | 12:58 |
| apachelogger | no clue if that alraedy was the case for beta though | 12:58 |
| Riddell | err | 12:58 |
| Riddell | does breeze icon theme exist yet? | 12:58 |
| Riddell | ? | 12:58 |
| apachelogger | in today's build it does | 12:59 |
| Riddell | gosh | 13:00 |
| Riddell | ah hah! | 13:29 |
| Riddell | did a dist upgrade, rebooted and everything started working | 13:30 |
| Riddell | looking nice | 13:30 |
| Riddell | everything.. except there's no network manager so I couldn't get online to give people irc hugs | 13:30 |
| sgclark | ok so skipping wrap-and-sort calligra builds in trusty fine.. where do I put this? | 13:38 |
| Riddell | upload the package to kubuntu-ppa/ppa as an update | 13:41 |
| yofel | er, what? | 13:42 |
| yofel | I already put 2.8.3 there | 13:42 |
| yofel | also, don't put backports in ppa please | 13:42 |
| yofel | never, ever | 13:42 |
| Riddell | sigh | 13:42 |
| Riddell | yofel: for 14.04 it's an update compared to 2.8.1 in the archive | 13:43 |
| yofel | 1:2.8.3-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1 0 | 13:43 |
| yofel | 50 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Packages | 13:43 |
| yofel | it's already there... | 13:43 |
| Riddell | yep | 13:43 |
| Riddell | sgclark: sorry looks like you may have wasted your time :( | 13:44 |
| sgclark | lol wow.. ok moving on | 13:44 |
| yofel | yes, but we put changes into the dev release which needs more QA to be considered an 'update' IMO | 13:45 |
| yofel | so if you start from the utopic package that's a backport, not an update | 13:45 |
| Riddell | oh I see what you mean | 13:45 |
| sgclark | all I did was start from utopic for a backport for a user request | 13:46 |
| yofel | sgclark: sure, that's fine, but in your own interest please check if nobody else didn't already do that first | 13:47 |
| sgclark | I asked Riddell, but will ping IRC instead in the future | 13:47 |
| yofel | uhm, if you plan to put it in the ppa, just check the ppa | 13:47 |
| yofel | Riddell might not always know what's in there either | 13:48 |
| Riddell | yeah always check it's not there before you start to package, sorry | 13:48 |
| sgclark | np | 13:49 |
| sgclark | ok so my to do today is test out kf5? what is the best way to go about this? VM? | 13:49 |
| Riddell | depends if you care about your normal system :) | 13:50 |
| Riddell | I've got it running on my normal system but still working out how to connect to the wifi | 13:50 |
| sgclark | Well my other computer expoled trying to compile calligra, so yeah, this laptop all I have | 13:50 |
| Riddell | virtual machine with trusty -> dist-upgrade to utopic -> install bits from next PPA -> see what breaks | 13:52 |
| Riddell | or you can try a utopic daily image, maybe they work now | 13:52 |
| sgclark | ok | 13:53 |
| Riddell | bah still can't get network access to work | 14:47 |
| Riddell | plasma-nm doesn't want to work | 14:47 |
| Riddell | ah hah! got it! | 14:52 |
| Riddell | don't try to use /etc/network/interfaces at the same time as networkmanager | 14:52 |
| Riddell | it doesn't like it | 14:53 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: does the GUI wallpaper changer work? | 14:56 |
| Riddell | oh weird, it has a 5 minute delay in working | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: file a bug, people didn't listen to me when I said the initial cache building is too slow | 14:59 |
| apachelogger | there's also no visual cue that it is doing anything which makes it worse really | 14:59 |
| Riddell | changing the wallpaper needs a cache build? | 14:59 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ah, actually changing is slow? | 15:00 |
| * apachelogger was talking about the preview caching in the dialog | 15:00 | |
| apachelogger | I have never actually changed the wallpaper mind you :O | 15:00 |
| Riddell | now it works fine | 15:00 |
| Riddell | so something was blocking it | 15:00 |
| Riddell | yay! working desktop! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma5.png | 15:05 |
| Odur | Whee... the languages got reset to American English when I upgraded to 4.13.2. Oh well, I can manage :) | 15:09 |
| Riddell | mm, that shouldn't happen | 15:11 |
| Odur | maybe. But there is no l10n packages for 4.13.2 and it refuses to use those for 4.13.1 | 15:12 |
| Riddell | yofel: any plans for l10n? | 15:13 |
| Riddell | Odur: why does it refuse to use 4.13.1 ? | 15:13 |
| Odur | Riddell: don't know. Error message: http://pastebin.com/x5QXcGLx | 15:14 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: needs doing, I can handle that | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer | if I can find the script for it | 15:17 |
| * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2014/06/12/plasma-5-green | 15:17 | |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: http://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide | 15:18 |
| Riddell | Odur: hum :( | 15:18 |
| Odur | Shit happens :) | 15:19 |
| Odur | Riddell: Bug #1327527 seems to be the same | 15:23 |
| ubottu | bug 1327527 in Ubuntu "Unable to set locale after update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1327527 | 15:23 |
| Odur | Seems like downgrading the kde-l10n packages to those not from kubuntu-ppa solves it, according to some comments in the bug discussion. Strange. | 15:27 |
| Riddell | oh is it not liking my kde-l10n packages that install to a new location? | 15:29 |
| Odur | Seems so. See comment 13. https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1327527/comments/13 | 15:30 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1327527 in Ubuntu "Unable to set locale after update" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:30 |
| Riddell | sgclark: I added a few packaging tasks to the notes page, how are you getting on? | 15:41 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: do you have the magic needed to build an image using archive and a PPA incase the launchpad stuff doesn't exist yet? | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | though launchpad stuff does exist | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | talk to cj I guess | 15:43 |
| Riddell | hopefully, not got an answer from cjwatson on how to find it yet | 15:43 |
| Riddell | will ping more tomorrow | 15:43 |
| Riddell | I'm just happy to have it all running today :) | 15:43 |
| shadeslayer | http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/pending/ | 15:43 |
| Riddell | 16:20 < Laney> Riddell: there's no PPA involved there | 15:43 |
| Riddell | not PPA | 15:44 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8 | 15:52 |
| shadeslayer | so I guess the ISO is made from the archive | 15:52 |
| shadeslayer | s/I guess// | 15:53 |
| kubotu | shadeslayer meant: "so the ISO is made from the archive" | 15:53 |
| sgclark | Riddell: sorry was afk, vm set up, was about to get the kf5 going, I can package as well | 15:53 |
| Riddell | sgclark: give installing it a try and see what breaks | 15:54 |
| Riddell | might be an idea to save the vm state so you and go back to it for later use | 15:55 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ok | 15:55 |
| sgclark | Riddell: I can also tackle some of these TODO? | 15:55 |
| Riddell | sgclark: yep, getting libnm-qt and plasma-nm packages would be a good place to start | 15:56 |
| Riddell | not much use without internet | 15:57 |
| Riddell | but I'm not sure where to get the sources | 15:57 |
| sgclark | ok, I will hunt them down | 15:57 |
| Riddell | sgclark: git clone kde:libnm-qt; cd libnm-qt; git checkout framework | 15:59 |
| sgclark | ty | 16:00 |
| Riddell | sgclark: it's in the framework branch of the libnm-qt archive, no release yet, you'll need to get it out of git and tar it up | 16:00 |
| sgclark | ok np | 16:00 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: so ppas shelved, it's a question of working in the archive or working with your scripts | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: yeah | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | well | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | not quite | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | derived distros is another way | 16:01 |
| Riddell | sgclark: then same thing for plasma-nm | 16:01 |
| sgclark | ok | 16:01 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: sounds faffy | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer | FWIW ubuntu-defaults-builder is the package which has the script | 16:02 |
| shadeslayer | ubuntu-defaults-image | 16:02 |
| Riddell | let's chat more tomorrow, I'm out now | 16:05 |
| shadeslayer | ciao | 16:06 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: how's l10n? | 16:06 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: signing now | 16:07 |
| yofel | ok | 16:07 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: how does one backport them to the PPA/ | 16:07 |
| shadeslayer | because this is for utopic | 16:07 |
| yofel | you don't backport anything, every release and ppa has it's own l10n branch so the changelogs don't conflict | 16:07 |
| yofel | as you must have a branch to generate something | 16:07 |
| shadeslayer | aahh | 16:07 |
| shadeslayer | needs correct branch then | 16:08 |
| sgclark | err how do I version something from git when making a tar | 16:08 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: hm, you never uploaded l10n for the .1 SRU? | 16:09 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 16:09 |
| shadeslayer | I should do that | 16:10 |
| yofel | :(( | 16:10 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 16:10 |
| yofel | needs last change in the branch reverted btw. | 16:10 |
| yofel | the locale rename | 16:10 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 16:10 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: so revert last commit, upload to trusty, then revert revert, upload to ppa? | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer | i.e. do we want that special dir for those files | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer | or do we not care since we're packaging for utopic | 16:37 |
| yofel | we do not | 16:43 |
| yofel | just remove the install path change, make sure you only have the SRU changelog for .1, upload to -proposed, then add the next one for .2 | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | running | 17:01 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: l10n uploading | 17:20 |
| yofel | thanks | 17:22 |
| Odur | shadeslayer: nice :) | 17:29 |
| shadeslayer | Odur: fyi this is for 4.13.1 | 17:29 |
| shadeslayer | I'm going to do 4.13.2 tomorrow | 17:29 |
| shadeslayer | actually | 17:30 |
| shadeslayer | lemme do that :P | 17:30 |
| Odur | Cool. I can live with 4.13.1 as long as it's in the right path :) | 17:30 |
| lordievader | Good evening. | 17:33 |
| Odur | evening lordi | 17:33 |
| lordievader | Hey Odur, how are you? | 17:33 |
| Odur | lordievader: I'm feeling extatic actually. I just got my result from the last test at the university. And i passed with half a point :) | 17:35 |
| lordievader | Odur: Congratulations :) | 17:38 |
| Odur | lordievader: Every point more than pass is wrong utilized leisure time | 17:39 |
| lordievader | Hehe | 17:39 |
| shadeslayer | Odur: uploading | 17:49 |
| Odur | shadeslayer: Nice! | 17:51 |
| shadeslayer | Odur: let me know if stuff breaks | 17:53 |
| Odur | shadeslayer: will do | 17:56 |
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| Odur | shadeslayer: Mabye a "fix released" at bug 1327527 ? | 18:13 |
| ubottu | bug 1327527 in Ubuntu "Unable to set locale after update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1327527 | 18:13 |
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| Evpok | Ahoj, denizens | 18:33 |
| Odur | shadeslayer: Everything works this far | 18:36 |
| Evpok | So, how does installing the packages from the Next ppa fares so far? Are talking about that, Odur? | 18:39 |
| Odur | Evpok: Nope. Just a bug with the l10n-packages | 18:42 |
| Evpok | Aw :( | 18:43 |
| soee | Riddell: thers not Nm for plasma-next yet ? | 18:46 |
| sgclark | soee: I am working on it now | 18:57 |
| soee | sgclark: super ;) | 19:08 |
| Evpok | Oh well, I guess I will install kubuntu on the test laptop and try the ppa there :) | 19:53 |
| guest222111112 | I was just trying to install Plasma 5 in ubuntu but QT 5.3 packages are missing in utopic so far - is there a PPA for that? (at least libqt5core5a >= 5.3 / libqt5gui5 >= 5.3 / libqtdeclarative-abi-5-3-0 are not available) | 20:43 |
| sgclark | guest222111112 : deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/landing-005/ubuntu utopic main | 21:09 |
| Riddell | I still get a little excited jump in my heart when I see my laptop running plasma 5 :) | 21:12 |
| guest222111112 | sgclark : thank you! upgrading now :) curious if the session will start again | 21:23 |
| apachelogger | sgclark: Riddell: someone should copy the qt binaries to the next ppa | 21:27 |
| sgclark | apachelogger: good idea, I will do that | 21:33 |
| sgclark | err wait, I am not sure what all in this PPA needs to be copied over | 21:37 |
| apachelogger | just copy everything | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_sbh5vO8Rg&feature=youtu.be | 21:39 |
| sgclark | ok done, I skipped the failed builds, can copy later if needed | 21:48 |
| sgclark | I have to run out for a bit, but will be back | 21:50 |
| soee | just tried neon 5 iso :) | 22:08 |
| soee | nice one | 22:09 |
| valorie | Riddell: the session yesterday was a bit of a joke IMO | 22:16 |
| valorie | but I suppose practice will help | 22:16 |
| valorie | hard to trust aaron after his disappearance act, but his enthusiasm seems genuine | 22:17 |
| valorie | so I'll hope for the best | 22:17 |
| shadeslayer | :( | 22:18 |
| valorie | perhaps he's never led a meeting before, dunno | 22:26 |
| valorie | anyway, it happened, and some progress was made | 22:26 |
| shadeslayer | mhm | 22:28 |
| shadeslayer | my mistake as well, I started cooking dinner 10 minutes before the meeting | 22:29 |
| shadeslayer | totally forgot about it :/ | 22:29 |
| valorie | Aaron didn't do much publicity | 22:35 |
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