[06:56] <valorie> !info xmbc
[10:01] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[10:02] <Riddell> hola
[10:02] <Riddell> valorie: how was the session?
[10:59] <Riddell> the trouble with the new apt command is it doesn't replace all the functions of apt-get and apt-cache, you need to remember which ones it does and doesn't do
[11:21] <Riddell> sgclark: so... can you get any of this plasma 5 stuff to run? :)
[11:22] <sgclark> Riddell: I honestly have not tried, I can make that a project today, needed  nap :) was working on calligra till late
[11:22] <Riddell> oh gosh don't burn out, get enough sleep!
[11:22] <Riddell> where did you get to with calligra?
[11:22] <sgclark> lol
[11:23] <sgclark> well, seems utopic version had tons of depends removed, thus removing most functionality, wondering why?
[11:23] <sgclark> build depends that is
[11:23] <Riddell> was it merged?
[11:23] <sgclark> ahh maybe
[11:24] <yofel> doesn't look like it
[11:24] <yofel> what's missing?
[11:24] <Riddell> what's the changelog say?
[11:24] <sgclark> but why would we want to do that? it invalidates even the descriptions because it does not support those formats without the build depends
[11:25] <sgclark> I was looking at the bzr diff
[11:25] <yofel> bzr diff to what?
[11:25] <sgclark> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/calligra
[11:25] <yofel> right, and you were working on..?
[11:28] <sgclark> I was looking at this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/calligra/view/head:/debian/control I don't see which rev did all that red, but all those deps are missing.
[11:29] <yofel> uh, they're not missing, that's just launchpads syntax highlighting being crap
[11:29] <yofel> the only thing that's missing is libkactivities-dev
[11:31] <sgclark> oh haha, well the only thing I can thing that happened herre is wrap and sort then, because I certainly did not removve them. Redownloading the debian  folder from bazaar...
[11:31] <yofel> ah yeah, wrap-and-sort can't handle control files with comments in them
[11:31]  * sgclark grumbles at wrap-and-sort
[11:31] <yofel> we did talk about that yesterday...
[11:32] <yofel> what was it
[11:32] <yofel> debian bug 743174
[11:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: marble still installs marble-mobile? :P
[11:53] <apachelogger> maybe it does again
[11:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: what happened to 4.13.2
[11:57] <yofel> needs copy and l10n upload
[11:58] <yofel> I have no time to do that properly until evening
[11:58] <shadeslayer> ok, I shall do the copy
[11:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: should I copy everything?
[11:58] <yofel> yes
[12:10] <Riddell> fg
[12:11] <Riddell> hmm
[12:21] <Riddell> yay, I got something working! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/snapshot2.png
[12:22] <Riddell> apachelogger, shadeslayer: you guys know how to turn this into a kindae useable system, what do I need to do to get e.g. that new wallpaper you see everywhere?
[12:23] <apachelogger> I don't think there actually is setup for the new wallpaper nonesense
[12:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: so how does neon do it?
[12:23] <apachelogger> generally speaking usable though: you'll want to figure out runtime deps
[12:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: custom scripting in iso generation
[12:23] <Riddell> hmm
[12:24] <apachelogger> plasma-desktop will at least want to depend on kded and kio-extras for starters
[12:24] <Riddell> and we'll need a meta package I guess
[12:25] <apachelogger> desktop also depends kwin, powerdevil, ksysguard, gdb
[12:25] <apachelogger> gdb might be gdb-minimal and actually a recommends ... that's for drkonqi
[12:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: meta package workspace with all workspace packs? I guess
[12:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: how do you mean?
[12:30] <Riddell> do we want a meta package in meta-kde or a seed like kubuntu-desktop I wonder
[12:31] <apachelogger> there can be both you know :P
[12:32] <apachelogger> kde-workspace as a meta would simply drag in all the workspace bits (which TBH I find a bit pointless until first stable)
[12:33] <apachelogger> kubuntu-next-desktop would be a port of kubuntu-desktop (i.e. mix of qt5/qt4 apps)
[12:33] <apachelogger> latter seems more useful
[12:33] <apachelogger> (the runtime deps of desktop still need to be figured out properly regardless)
[12:53] <Riddell> looks like fredora do custom scripting for that too
[12:53] <apachelogger> for what?
[12:53] <Riddell> the files for the app menu need to be sorted out (upstream)
[12:54] <Riddell> for wallpaper and whatnot
[12:54] <apachelogger> doesn't need scripting
[12:54] <apachelogger> needs fixing upstream...
[12:54] <Riddell> is that Next wallpaper in git somewhere?
[12:54] <Riddell> or svn?
[12:54] <apachelogger> *somewhere*
[12:54] <apachelogger> which is why it needs fixing
[12:54] <apachelogger> right now the wallpaper that is configured as default isn't released at all
[12:55] <Riddell> elarun
[12:55] <apachelogger> not part of the release scope
[12:55] <apachelogger> if I install ubuntu-foundations, build all of plasma beta on it, I get no wallpaper
[12:55] <Riddell> right
[12:55] <apachelogger> from a package perspective you could simply recommend whatever pacakge contains elarun for now
[12:56] <Riddell> my plasma doesn't seem to be able to find icons for its widgets, that I'm more puzzled about
[12:56] <apachelogger> oxygen-icons is installed?
[12:56] <apachelogger> possibly installed but not configured?
[12:57] <apachelogger> also there is some icon fumbling going on upstream, perhaps the beta has some issue WRT that
[12:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: on today's build I have breeze icon theme as default which falls back to oxygen
[12:58] <apachelogger> no clue if that alraedy was the case for beta though
[12:58] <Riddell> err
[12:58] <Riddell> does breeze icon theme exist yet?
[12:58] <Riddell> ?
[12:59] <apachelogger> in today's build it does
[13:00] <Riddell> gosh
[13:29] <Riddell> ah hah!
[13:30] <Riddell> did a dist upgrade, rebooted and everything started working
[13:30] <Riddell> looking nice
[13:30] <Riddell> everything.. except there's no network manager so I couldn't get online to give people irc hugs
[13:38] <sgclark> ok so skipping wrap-and-sort calligra builds in trusty fine.. where do I put this?
[13:41] <Riddell> upload the package to kubuntu-ppa/ppa as an update
[13:42] <yofel> er, what?
[13:42] <yofel> I already put 2.8.3 there
[13:42] <yofel> also, don't put backports in ppa please
[13:42] <yofel> never, ever
[13:42] <Riddell> sigh
[13:43] <Riddell> yofel: for 14.04 it's an update compared to 2.8.1 in the archive
[13:43] <yofel>      1:2.8.3-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1 0
[13:43] <yofel>          50 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Packages
[13:43] <yofel> it's already there...
[13:43] <Riddell> yep
[13:44] <Riddell> sgclark: sorry looks like you may have wasted your time :(
[13:44] <sgclark> lol wow.. ok moving on
[13:45] <yofel> yes, but we put changes into the dev release which needs more QA to be considered an 'update' IMO
[13:45] <yofel> so if you start from the utopic package that's a backport, not an update
[13:45] <Riddell> oh I see what you mean
[13:46] <sgclark> all I did was start from utopic for a backport for a user request
[13:47] <yofel> sgclark: sure, that's fine, but in your own interest please check if nobody else didn't already do that first
[13:47] <sgclark> I asked Riddell, but will ping IRC instead in the future
[13:47] <yofel> uhm, if you plan to put it in the ppa, just check the ppa
[13:48] <yofel> Riddell might not always know what's in there either
[13:48] <Riddell> yeah always check it's not there before you start to package, sorry
[13:49] <sgclark> np
[13:49] <sgclark> ok so my   to do today is test out kf5? what is the best way to go about this? VM?
[13:50] <Riddell> depends if you care about your normal system :)
[13:50] <Riddell> I've got it running on my normal system but still working out how to connect to the wifi
[13:50] <sgclark> Well my other computer expoled trying to compile calligra, so yeah, this laptop all I have
[13:52] <Riddell> virtual machine with trusty -> dist-upgrade to utopic -> install bits from next PPA -> see what breaks
[13:52] <Riddell> or you can try a utopic daily image, maybe they work now
[13:53] <sgclark> ok
[14:47] <Riddell> bah still can't get network access to work
[14:47] <Riddell> plasma-nm doesn't want to work
[14:52] <Riddell> ah hah! got it!
[14:52] <Riddell> don't try to use /etc/network/interfaces at the same time as networkmanager
[14:53] <Riddell> it doesn't like it
[14:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: does the GUI wallpaper changer work?
[14:56] <Riddell> oh weird, it has a 5 minute delay in working
[14:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: file a bug, people didn't listen to me when I said the initial cache building is too slow
[14:59] <apachelogger> there's also no visual cue that it is doing anything which makes it worse really
[14:59] <Riddell> changing the wallpaper needs a cache build?
[15:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah, actually changing is slow?
[15:00]  * apachelogger was talking about the preview caching in the dialog
[15:00] <apachelogger> I have never actually changed the wallpaper mind you :O
[15:00] <Riddell> now it works fine
[15:00] <Riddell> so something was blocking it
[15:05] <Riddell> yay! working desktop! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma5.png
[15:09] <Odur> Whee... the languages got reset to American English when I upgraded to 4.13.2. Oh well, I can manage :)
[15:11] <Riddell> mm, that shouldn't happen
[15:12] <Odur> maybe. But there is no l10n packages for 4.13.2 and it refuses to use those for 4.13.1
[15:13] <Riddell> yofel: any plans for l10n?
[15:13] <Riddell> Odur: why does it refuse to use 4.13.1 ?
[15:14] <Odur> Riddell: don't know. Error message: http://pastebin.com/x5QXcGLx
[15:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: needs doing, I can handle that
[15:17] <shadeslayer> if I can find the script for it
[15:17]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2014/06/12/plasma-5-green
[15:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: http://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide
[15:18] <Riddell> Odur: hum :(
[15:19] <Odur> Shit happens :)
[15:23] <Odur> Riddell: Bug #1327527 seems to be the same
[15:27] <Odur> Seems like downgrading the kde-l10n packages to those not from kubuntu-ppa solves it, according to some comments in the bug discussion. Strange.
[15:29] <Riddell> oh is it not liking my kde-l10n packages that install to a new location?
[15:30] <Odur> Seems so. See comment 13. https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1327527/comments/13
[15:41] <Riddell> sgclark: I added a few packaging tasks to the notes page, how are you getting on?
[15:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you have the magic needed to build an image using archive and a PPA incase the launchpad stuff doesn't exist yet?
[15:42] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:42] <shadeslayer> though launchpad stuff does exist
[15:43] <shadeslayer> talk to cj I guess
[15:43] <Riddell> hopefully, not got an answer from cjwatson on how to find it yet
[15:43] <Riddell> will ping more tomorrow
[15:43] <Riddell> I'm just happy to have it all running today :)
[15:43] <shadeslayer> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/pending/
[15:43] <Riddell> 16:20 < Laney> Riddell: there's no PPA involved there
[15:44] <Riddell> not PPA
[15:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8
[15:52] <shadeslayer> so I guess the ISO is made from the archive
[15:53] <shadeslayer> s/I guess//
[15:53] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "so  the ISO is made from the archive"
[15:53] <sgclark> Riddell: sorry was afk, vm set up, was about to get the kf5 going, I can package as well
[15:54] <Riddell> sgclark: give installing it a try and see what breaks
[15:55] <Riddell> might be an idea to save the vm state so you and go back to it for later use
[15:55] <sgclark> Riddell: ok 
[15:55] <sgclark> Riddell: I can also tackle some of these TODO?
[15:56] <Riddell> sgclark: yep, getting libnm-qt and plasma-nm packages would be a good place to start
[15:57] <Riddell> not much use without internet
[15:57] <Riddell> but I'm not sure where to get the sources
[15:57] <sgclark> ok, I will hunt them down
[15:59] <Riddell> sgclark: git clone kde:libnm-qt; cd libnm-qt;  git checkout framework
[16:00] <sgclark> ty
[16:00] <Riddell> sgclark: it's in the framework branch of the libnm-qt archive, no release yet, you'll need to get it out of git and tar it up
[16:00] <sgclark> ok np
[16:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so ppas shelved, it's a question of working in the archive or working with your scripts
[16:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah
[16:00] <shadeslayer> well
[16:00] <shadeslayer> not quite
[16:01] <shadeslayer> derived distros is another way
[16:01] <Riddell> sgclark: then same thing for plasma-nm
[16:01] <sgclark> ok
[16:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: sounds faffy
[16:02] <shadeslayer> FWIW ubuntu-defaults-builder is the package which has the script
[16:02] <shadeslayer> ubuntu-defaults-image
[16:05] <Riddell> let's chat more tomorrow, I'm out now
[16:06] <shadeslayer> ciao
[16:06] <yofel> shadeslayer: how's l10n?
[16:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: signing now
[16:07] <yofel> ok
[16:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: how does one backport them to the PPA/
[16:07] <shadeslayer> because this is for utopic
[16:07] <yofel> you don't backport anything, every release and ppa has it's own l10n branch so the changelogs don't conflict
[16:07] <yofel> as you must have a branch to generate something
[16:07] <shadeslayer> aahh
[16:08] <shadeslayer> needs correct branch then
[16:08] <sgclark> err how do I version something from git when making a tar
[16:09] <yofel> shadeslayer: hm, you never uploaded l10n for the .1 SRU?
[16:09] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:10] <shadeslayer> I should do that
[16:10] <yofel> :((
[16:10] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:10] <yofel> needs last change in the branch reverted btw.
[16:10] <yofel> the locale rename
[16:10] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: so revert last commit, upload to trusty, then revert revert, upload to ppa?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> i.e. do we want that special dir for those files
[16:37] <shadeslayer> or do we not care since we're packaging for utopic
[16:43] <yofel> we do not
[16:44] <yofel> just remove the install path change, make sure you only have the SRU changelog for .1, upload to -proposed, then add the next one for .2
[17:01] <shadeslayer> running
[17:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: l10n uploading
[17:22] <yofel> thanks
[17:29] <Odur> shadeslayer: nice :)
[17:29] <shadeslayer> Odur: fyi this is for 4.13.1
[17:29] <shadeslayer> I'm going to do 4.13.2 tomorrow
[17:30] <shadeslayer> actually
[17:30] <shadeslayer> lemme do that :P
[17:30] <Odur> Cool. I can live with 4.13.1 as long as it's in the right path :)
[17:33] <lordievader> Good evening.
[17:33] <Odur> evening lordi
[17:33] <lordievader> Hey Odur, how are you?
[17:35] <Odur> lordievader: I'm feeling extatic actually. I just got my result from the last test at the university. And i passed with half a point :)
[17:38] <lordievader> Odur: Congratulations :)
[17:39] <Odur> lordievader: Every point more than pass is wrong utilized leisure time
[17:39] <lordievader> Hehe
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Odur: uploading
[17:51] <Odur> shadeslayer: Nice!
[17:53] <shadeslayer> Odur: let me know if stuff breaks
[17:56] <Odur> shadeslayer: will do
[18:13] <Odur> shadeslayer: Mabye a "fix released" at bug 1327527 ?
[18:33] <Evpok> Ahoj, denizens
[18:36] <Odur> shadeslayer: Everything works this far
[18:39] <Evpok> So, how does installing the packages from the Next ppa fares so far? Are talking about that, Odur?
[18:42] <Odur> Evpok: Nope. Just a bug with the l10n-packages
[18:43] <Evpok> Aw :(
[18:46] <soee> Riddell: thers not Nm for plasma-next yet ?
[18:57] <sgclark> soee: I am working on it now
[19:08] <soee> sgclark: super ;)
[19:53] <Evpok> Oh well, I guess I will install kubuntu on the test laptop and try the ppa there :)
[20:43] <guest222111112> I was just trying to install Plasma 5 in ubuntu but QT 5.3 packages are missing in utopic so far - is there a PPA for that?  (at least libqt5core5a >= 5.3 / libqt5gui5 >= 5.3 / libqtdeclarative-abi-5-3-0 are not available)
[21:09] <sgclark> guest222111112 : deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/landing-005/ubuntu utopic main
[21:12] <Riddell> I still get a little excited jump in my heart when I see my laptop running plasma 5 :)
[21:23] <guest222111112> sgclark : thank you! upgrading now :) curious if the session will start again
[21:27] <apachelogger> sgclark: Riddell: someone should copy the qt binaries to the next ppa
[21:33] <sgclark> apachelogger: good idea, I will do that
[21:37] <sgclark> err wait, I am not sure what all in this PPA needs to be copied over
[21:39] <apachelogger> just copy everything
[21:39] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_sbh5vO8Rg&feature=youtu.be
[21:48] <sgclark> ok done, I skipped the failed builds, can copy later if needed
[21:50] <sgclark> I have to run out for a bit, but will be back
[22:08] <soee> just tried neon 5 iso :)
[22:09] <soee> nice one 
[22:16] <valorie> Riddell: the session yesterday was a bit of a joke IMO
[22:16] <valorie> but I suppose practice will help
[22:17] <valorie> hard to trust aaron after his disappearance act, but his enthusiasm seems genuine
[22:17] <valorie> so I'll hope for the best
[22:18] <shadeslayer> :(
[22:26] <valorie> perhaps he's never led a meeting before, dunno
[22:26] <valorie> anyway, it happened, and some progress was made
[22:28] <shadeslayer> mhm
[22:29] <shadeslayer> my mistake as well, I started cooking dinner 10 minutes before the meeting
[22:29] <shadeslayer> totally forgot about it :/
[22:35] <valorie> Aaron didn't do much publicity