[06:56] !info xmbc [06:57] Package xmbc does not exist in trusty === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz === Haudegen_ is now known as Haudegen [10:01] 'Morning === vinay is now known as Guest40410 [10:02] hola [10:02] valorie: how was the session? [10:59] the trouble with the new apt command is it doesn't replace all the functions of apt-get and apt-cache, you need to remember which ones it does and doesn't do [11:21] sgclark: so... can you get any of this plasma 5 stuff to run? :) [11:22] Riddell: I honestly have not tried, I can make that a project today, needed nap :) was working on calligra till late [11:22] oh gosh don't burn out, get enough sleep! [11:22] where did you get to with calligra? [11:22] lol [11:23] well, seems utopic version had tons of depends removed, thus removing most functionality, wondering why? [11:23] build depends that is [11:23] was it merged? [11:23] ahh maybe [11:24] doesn't look like it [11:24] what's missing? [11:24] what's the changelog say? [11:24] but why would we want to do that? it invalidates even the descriptions because it does not support those formats without the build depends [11:25] I was looking at the bzr diff [11:25] bzr diff to what? [11:25] https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/calligra [11:25] right, and you were working on..? [11:28] I was looking at this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/calligra/view/head:/debian/control I don't see which rev did all that red, but all those deps are missing. [11:29] uh, they're not missing, that's just launchpads syntax highlighting being crap [11:29] the only thing that's missing is libkactivities-dev [11:31] oh haha, well the only thing I can thing that happened herre is wrap and sort then, because I certainly did not removve them. Redownloading the debian folder from bazaar... [11:31] ah yeah, wrap-and-sort can't handle control files with comments in them [11:31] * sgclark grumbles at wrap-and-sort [11:31] we did talk about that yesterday... [11:32] what was it [11:32] debian bug 743174 [11:32] Debian bug 743174 in python-debian "paragraph parsing truncates on comments" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/743174 [11:53] apachelogger: marble still installs marble-mobile? :P [11:53] maybe it does again [11:57] yofel: what happened to 4.13.2 [11:57] needs copy and l10n upload [11:58] I have no time to do that properly until evening [11:58] ok, I shall do the copy [11:58] yofel: should I copy everything? [11:58] yes [12:10] fg [12:11] hmm [12:21] yay, I got something working! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/snapshot2.png [12:22] apachelogger, shadeslayer: you guys know how to turn this into a kindae useable system, what do I need to do to get e.g. that new wallpaper you see everywhere? [12:23] I don't think there actually is setup for the new wallpaper nonesense [12:23] apachelogger: so how does neon do it? [12:23] generally speaking usable though: you'll want to figure out runtime deps [12:23] Riddell: custom scripting in iso generation [12:23] hmm [12:24] plasma-desktop will at least want to depend on kded and kio-extras for starters [12:24] and we'll need a meta package I guess [12:25] desktop also depends kwin, powerdevil, ksysguard, gdb [12:25] gdb might be gdb-minimal and actually a recommends ... that's for drkonqi [12:27] Riddell: meta package workspace with all workspace packs? I guess [12:29] apachelogger: how do you mean? [12:30] do we want a meta package in meta-kde or a seed like kubuntu-desktop I wonder [12:31] there can be both you know :P [12:32] kde-workspace as a meta would simply drag in all the workspace bits (which TBH I find a bit pointless until first stable) [12:33] kubuntu-next-desktop would be a port of kubuntu-desktop (i.e. mix of qt5/qt4 apps) [12:33] latter seems more useful [12:33] (the runtime deps of desktop still need to be figured out properly regardless) [12:53] looks like fredora do custom scripting for that too [12:53] for what? [12:53] the files for the app menu need to be sorted out (upstream) [12:54] for wallpaper and whatnot [12:54] doesn't need scripting [12:54] needs fixing upstream... [12:54] is that Next wallpaper in git somewhere? [12:54] or svn? [12:54] *somewhere* [12:54] which is why it needs fixing [12:54] right now the wallpaper that is configured as default isn't released at all [12:55] elarun [12:55] not part of the release scope [12:55] if I install ubuntu-foundations, build all of plasma beta on it, I get no wallpaper [12:55] right [12:55] from a package perspective you could simply recommend whatever pacakge contains elarun for now [12:56] my plasma doesn't seem to be able to find icons for its widgets, that I'm more puzzled about [12:56] oxygen-icons is installed? [12:56] possibly installed but not configured? [12:57] also there is some icon fumbling going on upstream, perhaps the beta has some issue WRT that [12:58] Riddell: on today's build I have breeze icon theme as default which falls back to oxygen [12:58] no clue if that alraedy was the case for beta though [12:58] err [12:58] does breeze icon theme exist yet? [12:58] ? [12:59] in today's build it does [13:00] gosh [13:29] ah hah! [13:30] did a dist upgrade, rebooted and everything started working [13:30] looking nice [13:30] everything.. except there's no network manager so I couldn't get online to give people irc hugs [13:38] ok so skipping wrap-and-sort calligra builds in trusty fine.. where do I put this? [13:41] upload the package to kubuntu-ppa/ppa as an update [13:42] er, what? [13:42] I already put 2.8.3 there [13:42] also, don't put backports in ppa please [13:42] never, ever [13:42] sigh [13:43] yofel: for 14.04 it's an update compared to 2.8.1 in the archive [13:43] 1:2.8.3-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1 0 [13:43] 50 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Packages [13:43] it's already there... [13:43] yep [13:44] sgclark: sorry looks like you may have wasted your time :( [13:44] lol wow.. ok moving on [13:45] yes, but we put changes into the dev release which needs more QA to be considered an 'update' IMO [13:45] so if you start from the utopic package that's a backport, not an update [13:45] oh I see what you mean [13:46] all I did was start from utopic for a backport for a user request [13:47] sgclark: sure, that's fine, but in your own interest please check if nobody else didn't already do that first [13:47] I asked Riddell, but will ping IRC instead in the future [13:47] uhm, if you plan to put it in the ppa, just check the ppa [13:48] Riddell might not always know what's in there either [13:48] yeah always check it's not there before you start to package, sorry [13:49] np [13:49] ok so my to do today is test out kf5? what is the best way to go about this? VM? [13:50] depends if you care about your normal system :) [13:50] I've got it running on my normal system but still working out how to connect to the wifi [13:50] Well my other computer expoled trying to compile calligra, so yeah, this laptop all I have [13:52] virtual machine with trusty -> dist-upgrade to utopic -> install bits from next PPA -> see what breaks [13:52] or you can try a utopic daily image, maybe they work now [13:53] ok [14:47] bah still can't get network access to work [14:47] plasma-nm doesn't want to work [14:52] ah hah! got it! [14:52] don't try to use /etc/network/interfaces at the same time as networkmanager [14:53] it doesn't like it [14:56] apachelogger: does the GUI wallpaper changer work? [14:56] oh weird, it has a 5 minute delay in working [14:59] Riddell: file a bug, people didn't listen to me when I said the initial cache building is too slow [14:59] there's also no visual cue that it is doing anything which makes it worse really [14:59] changing the wallpaper needs a cache build? [15:00] Riddell: ah, actually changing is slow? [15:00] * apachelogger was talking about the preview caching in the dialog [15:00] I have never actually changed the wallpaper mind you :O [15:00] now it works fine [15:00] so something was blocking it [15:05] yay! working desktop! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma5.png [15:09] Whee... the languages got reset to American English when I upgraded to 4.13.2. Oh well, I can manage :) [15:11] mm, that shouldn't happen [15:12] maybe. But there is no l10n packages for 4.13.2 and it refuses to use those for 4.13.1 [15:13] yofel: any plans for l10n? [15:13] Odur: why does it refuse to use 4.13.1 ? [15:14] Riddell: don't know. Error message: http://pastebin.com/x5QXcGLx [15:17] Riddell: needs doing, I can handle that [15:17] if I can find the script for it [15:17] * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2014/06/12/plasma-5-green [15:18] shadeslayer: http://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide [15:18] Odur: hum :( [15:19] Shit happens :) [15:23] Riddell: Bug #1327527 seems to be the same [15:23] bug 1327527 in Ubuntu "Unable to set locale after update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1327527 [15:27] Seems like downgrading the kde-l10n packages to those not from kubuntu-ppa solves it, according to some comments in the bug discussion. Strange. [15:29] oh is it not liking my kde-l10n packages that install to a new location? [15:30] Seems so. See comment 13. https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1327527/comments/13 [15:30] Ubuntu bug 1327527 in Ubuntu "Unable to set locale after update" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:41] sgclark: I added a few packaging tasks to the notes page, how are you getting on? [15:42] shadeslayer: do you have the magic needed to build an image using archive and a PPA incase the launchpad stuff doesn't exist yet? [15:42] yes [15:42] though launchpad stuff does exist [15:43] talk to cj I guess [15:43] hopefully, not got an answer from cjwatson on how to find it yet [15:43] will ping more tomorrow [15:43] I'm just happy to have it all running today :) [15:43] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/pending/ [15:43] 16:20 < Laney> Riddell: there's no PPA involved there [15:44] not PPA [15:52] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8 [15:52] so I guess the ISO is made from the archive [15:53] s/I guess// [15:53] shadeslayer meant: "so the ISO is made from the archive" [15:53] Riddell: sorry was afk, vm set up, was about to get the kf5 going, I can package as well [15:54] sgclark: give installing it a try and see what breaks [15:55] might be an idea to save the vm state so you and go back to it for later use [15:55] Riddell: ok [15:55] Riddell: I can also tackle some of these TODO? [15:56] sgclark: yep, getting libnm-qt and plasma-nm packages would be a good place to start [15:57] not much use without internet [15:57] but I'm not sure where to get the sources [15:57] ok, I will hunt them down [15:59] sgclark: git clone kde:libnm-qt; cd libnm-qt; git checkout framework [16:00] ty [16:00] sgclark: it's in the framework branch of the libnm-qt archive, no release yet, you'll need to get it out of git and tar it up [16:00] ok np [16:00] shadeslayer: so ppas shelved, it's a question of working in the archive or working with your scripts [16:00] Riddell: yeah [16:00] well [16:00] not quite [16:01] derived distros is another way [16:01] sgclark: then same thing for plasma-nm [16:01] ok [16:01] shadeslayer: sounds faffy [16:02] FWIW ubuntu-defaults-builder is the package which has the script [16:02] ubuntu-defaults-image [16:05] let's chat more tomorrow, I'm out now [16:06] ciao [16:06] shadeslayer: how's l10n? [16:07] yofel: signing now [16:07] ok [16:07] yofel: how does one backport them to the PPA/ [16:07] because this is for utopic [16:07] you don't backport anything, every release and ppa has it's own l10n branch so the changelogs don't conflict [16:07] as you must have a branch to generate something [16:07] aahh [16:08] needs correct branch then [16:08] err how do I version something from git when making a tar [16:09] shadeslayer: hm, you never uploaded l10n for the .1 SRU? [16:09] nope [16:10] I should do that [16:10] :(( [16:10] yep [16:10] needs last change in the branch reverted btw. [16:10] the locale rename [16:10] ok [16:37] yofel: so revert last commit, upload to trusty, then revert revert, upload to ppa? [16:37] i.e. do we want that special dir for those files [16:37] or do we not care since we're packaging for utopic [16:43] we do not [16:44] just remove the install path change, make sure you only have the SRU changelog for .1, upload to -proposed, then add the next one for .2 [17:01] running [17:20] yofel: l10n uploading [17:22] thanks [17:29] shadeslayer: nice :) [17:29] Odur: fyi this is for 4.13.1 [17:29] I'm going to do 4.13.2 tomorrow [17:30] actually [17:30] lemme do that :P [17:30] Cool. I can live with 4.13.1 as long as it's in the right path :) [17:33] Good evening. [17:33] evening lordi [17:33] Hey Odur, how are you? [17:35] lordievader: I'm feeling extatic actually. I just got my result from the last test at the university. And i passed with half a point :) [17:38] Odur: Congratulations :) [17:39] lordievader: Every point more than pass is wrong utilized leisure time [17:39] Hehe [17:49] Odur: uploading [17:51] shadeslayer: Nice! [17:53] Odur: let me know if stuff breaks [17:56] shadeslayer: will do === Haudegen_ is now known as Haudegen [18:13] shadeslayer: Mabye a "fix released" at bug 1327527 ? [18:13] bug 1327527 in Ubuntu "Unable to set locale after update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1327527 === jono is now known as Guest93557 [18:33] Ahoj, denizens [18:36] shadeslayer: Everything works this far [18:39] So, how does installing the packages from the Next ppa fares so far? Are talking about that, Odur? [18:42] Evpok: Nope. Just a bug with the l10n-packages [18:43] Aw :( [18:46] Riddell: thers not Nm for plasma-next yet ? [18:57] soee: I am working on it now [19:08] sgclark: super ;) [19:53] Oh well, I guess I will install kubuntu on the test laptop and try the ppa there :) [20:43] I was just trying to install Plasma 5 in ubuntu but QT 5.3 packages are missing in utopic so far - is there a PPA for that? (at least libqt5core5a >= 5.3 / libqt5gui5 >= 5.3 / libqtdeclarative-abi-5-3-0 are not available) [21:09] guest222111112 : deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/landing-005/ubuntu utopic main [21:12] I still get a little excited jump in my heart when I see my laptop running plasma 5 :) [21:23] sgclark : thank you! upgrading now :) curious if the session will start again [21:27] sgclark: Riddell: someone should copy the qt binaries to the next ppa [21:33] apachelogger: good idea, I will do that [21:37] err wait, I am not sure what all in this PPA needs to be copied over [21:39] just copy everything [21:39] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_sbh5vO8Rg&feature=youtu.be [21:48] ok done, I skipped the failed builds, can copy later if needed [21:50] I have to run out for a bit, but will be back [22:08] just tried neon 5 iso :) [22:09] nice one [22:16] Riddell: the session yesterday was a bit of a joke IMO [22:16] but I suppose practice will help [22:17] hard to trust aaron after his disappearance act, but his enthusiasm seems genuine [22:17] so I'll hope for the best [22:18] :( [22:26] perhaps he's never led a meeting before, dunno [22:26] anyway, it happened, and some progress was made [22:28] mhm [22:29] my mistake as well, I started cooking dinner 10 minutes before the meeting [22:29] totally forgot about it :/ [22:35] Aaron didn't do much publicity