[14:01] <roadmr> "this live event is over"?
[14:01] <balloons> we should be live in a moment.. you should see it :-)
[14:02] <roadmr> got it now
[14:03] <brendand> little hiccup
[14:04] <balloons> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdBG2K910QGIQ8H8a3JPnq0-_RZ-iT2kGT3Nu_yBop5gnT73w?authuser=1&hl=en
[14:05] <balloons> you'll need to refresh the page to get the new video
[14:06]  * cking not having fun with the google hangout
[14:06] <balloons> we are live.. but had to change the video.. make sure you reload the page
[14:06]  * lool is watching
[14:07] <balloons> feel free to ask questions to get brendan to go deeper
[14:08] <balloons> feel free to ask questions at any time in here
[14:10]  * elopio tries to watch too, but the connection sucks here today.
[14:10] <lool> balloons, brendand: is there a link to the slide that you could share here?
[14:10] <lool> *slides
[14:11] <balloons> lool, I'll get brendan to share after the presentation
[14:43] <cking> that was useful, can we get the slides from somewhere?
[14:44] <dobey> balloons: can you add the link to the google doc for the slides, to the video description on youtube?
[14:44] <balloons> dobey, cking yep.. we'll share the link in the pad, on IRC, and I'll post to the video
[14:45] <cking> thanks!
[14:48] <jgdx> brendand, can you briefly discuss high level tests asserting low level conditions? E.g. asserting that a click on a button manipulates a dbus prop value.
[14:48]  * t1mp a bit late (I was following another session)
[14:49] <t1mp> maybe you discussed it already, but this is always good to repeat:
[14:49] <t1mp> 16:36:57 < t1mp> for all app developers: use the UITK custom proxy objects for autopilot tests, don't do for example  select_single('Header') because that breaks when we change internals
[14:49] <t1mp> 16:37:32 < t1mp> (custom proxy objects were formerly known as autopilot emulators)
[14:51] <cgregan_uds> perhaps his point was that happy path can easily be automated but "negative" testing requires testers thinking like the user
[14:53] <jgdx> brendand, I'll take "fine" :)
[14:56] <jgdx> brendand, thank you!
[14:56] <balloons> thanks everyone!
[14:58] <roadmr> thanks :)
[15:36] <evilburp> Hello?
[16:41] <abramelin> I want to put ubuntu on my old xp machine HP Compaq nx6310 but it won't connect to BB   Is it possible to do this or do I have to forget it?
[16:45] <cheesehead> abramelin: #ubuntu is a more appropriate channel for your support question
[16:45] <abramelin> no idea what's going on, no one in chat room and a bunch of people talking in Klingon
[16:45] <abramelin> bye
[17:10] <t1mp> mhall119: hi
[17:11] <t1mp> mhall119: would it be possible to add "UTC" to the times on the individual session pages such as this one? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22248/marketing-ubuntu-in-south-africa/
[17:11] <belkinsa> Agreed.  It's missing for sure
[17:17] <mhall119> t1mp: probably
[17:17] <mhall119> t1mp: file a bug, but there's no active developer on summit anymore
[17:18] <mhall119> t1mp: it's an easy enough fix though....if you want to try it :)
[17:18] <t1mp> mhall119: what's the project?
[17:18] <t1mp> ah "summit"
[17:19] <mhall119> yup
[17:20] <t1mp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/1329396
[17:20] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 1329396 in Summit "individual session pages don't show time zone" [Undecided,New]
[18:03] <balloons> session should begin shortly, just setting up the youtube link
[18:04] <t1mp> the embedded video disappeared from the page
[18:05] <t1mp> balloons: ^
[18:05] <balloons> t1mp, yep, working with Kapanda to put it in place properly :-)
[18:05] <balloons> t1mp, et la.. video should be there now ;-)
[18:06] <t1mp> balloons: yes it came back, but still "Starting soon..."
[18:11] <balloons> mm, yes it's really laggy sadly Kapanda
[18:12] <balloons> can you share a link to the presentation and just talk through it with audio?
[18:12] <balloons> Kapanda, ^^
[18:12] <t1mp> I only see black video, so better to turn it off
[18:13] <t1mp> ah now I see the screenshare
[18:14] <balloons> I'll try leaving the call, maybe it will be better
[18:16] <balloons> Kapanda, I don't think it's working sadly.. it's just broken audio :-(
[18:16] <balloons> Kapanda, we'll have to try and do this a different way; or perhaps another time
[18:17] <balloons> I'm sorry it's not working.. connectivity can be hard
[18:18] <t1mp> Kapanda: I can hear you but the audio is breaking up a lot
[18:19] <balloons> yea, the internet is not always well connected.. I know the feeling
[18:19] <balloons> I'm not sure if it can be done via IRC or not
[18:20] <balloons> If not, I would suggest recording a video and sharing it after uploading.. That might take a long time to upload, but it wouldn't have any lag issues
[18:20] <Kapanda> ok let try again just now
[18:20] <t1mp> is there no way to make a regular phone call to dial in to a live hangout?
[18:22] <t1mp> if you fulfill some requirements, it is possible to make a voice call to a phone number from hangouts https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3187125?hl=en
[18:22] <balloons> yes, that is possible.. But we're crossing several borders here.. I don't think it's doable
[18:22] <t1mp> probably not in time
[18:23] <balloons> I could also include him in a mumble conversation perhaps.. never tried that
[18:23] <t1mp> well mumble also uses his internet connection, if the upstream is the problem, mumble won't solve it
[18:23] <Kapanda> I have to switch pcs
[18:23] <balloons> t1mp, yes very true.. it might be a bit better than audio only.. but might not
[18:24] <balloons> Kapanda, be sure to update the links if you'd like to try again
[18:25] <balloons> atm we still have the original link, so no new video
[18:35] <evilburp> hello?
[18:35] <balloons> hi
[18:36] <balloons> the scheduled session didn't work out.. network issues for the presenter
[18:36] <evilburp> oh noes :(
[18:36] <evilburp> who is the presenter?
[18:36] <evilburp> On http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22248/marketing-ubuntu-in-south-africa/ I'm only seeing Kapanda Phiri listed as attendee
[18:37] <evilburp> but no information about presenter
[18:37] <balloons> evilburp, yes Kapnda was the presenter
[18:37] <evilburp> I recently wrote this post if anyone is interested: http://cpbotha.net/2014/05/31/south-africa-why-are-you-not-running-linux/
[18:38] <evilburp> It's something I'm really interested in
[18:38] <t1mp> evilburp: thanks for joining ;) pity the presentation didn't work out.
[18:39] <evilburp> hey t1mp thanks for the heads-up on the blog!!
[18:39] <t1mp> evilburp: np. I read your blog once in a while, and when I saw this UDS session I remembered your blog post
[18:40] <balloons> evilburp, meet Kapanda
[18:40] <evilburp> Kapanda: Pleased to meet you!
[18:40] <balloons> so we can still chat in IRC.. go for it
[18:41] <t1mp> Kapanda: did you prepare slides for the presentation? you could share the link to that
[18:41] <evilburp> Kapanda: I summarised my thoughts about the SA-vs-Linux situation in this post if you're interested http://cpbotha.net/2014/05/31/south-africa-why-are-you-not-running-linux/
[18:43] <Kapanda> Thanks evilburp will have a look and chat further
[18:45] <balloons> looks like Kapanda is going to be able to share his presentation
[18:46] <belkinsa> #ubuntu-scientists
[18:46] <evilburp> are we allowed to chat normally on this channel?
[18:47] <Kapanda> https://pdfshare.it/permissions/5HWCF4PQY
[18:47] <t1mp> evilburp: yes
[18:48] <t1mp> evilburp: but outside of the UDS sessions these #ubuntu-uds channels are usually not active
[18:49] <balloons> awesome, so I would suggest chatting and seeing if there is some actions to take.. or perhaps you guys can talk offline.
[18:50] <balloons> if you do chat, we can copy it into the pad for others to see later
[18:51] <balloons> I placed the links into the pad at least
[19:16] <evilburp> boioing!