| gamerchick02 | cmaloney, do you you have meds to take care of your ailing stomach? | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| cmaloney | yeah, took some meijer tums | 00:02 |
| gamerchick02 | good. feel better, man | 00:03 |
| gamerchick02 | and i MIGHT have bought two CDs from Blackbird Blackbird today. | 00:03 |
| gamerchick02 | :-D | 00:03 |
| waf | rick_h_: http://vpaste.net/bArQp | 00:05 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/1GGoHl - text/plain; charset=UTF-8 | 00:05 |
| mrgoodcat | dpkg -s /etc/os-release | 00:30 |
| mrgoodcat | did any of you know theabout /etc/os-release file? | 00:41 |
| mrgoodcat | gah | 00:41 |
| mrgoodcat | about the * | 00:41 |
| jrwren | zomg, I can linux on the desktop now: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/27vr19/firefox_30_released_finally_supports_gstreamer10/ | 00:46 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/HOyjye - Too Many Requests | 00:46 |
| mrgoodcat | jrwren: what was preventing you before? | 00:50 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: I knew about lsb_release | 01:19 |
| cmaloney | but not os-release | 01:19 |
| mrgoodcat | os-release is not distro-specific | 01:20 |
| mrgoodcat | it's part of systemd so it can be used on most distros now | 01:21 |
| jrwren | mrgoodcat: nothing. i'm just happy about the firefox h264 support via gstreamer | 01:21 |
| mrgoodcat | well most may be an overstatement | 01:22 |
| mrgoodcat | but systemd is slowly becoming the de-facto "standard" | 01:22 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: I just want to know: how is UPS going to deliever this? http://mashable.com/2014/06/11/titan-zeus-370-inch-tv/?utm_cid=mash-com-G+-main-photo | 01:40 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/XeEsQH - This 370-Inch TV Costs $1.6 Million — and Someone Actually Bought It | 01:40 |
| cmaloney | and I think Erica might notice it. :) | 01:41 |
| gamerchick02 | who would pay that much for a TV? | 01:45 |
| mrgoodcat | gamerchick02: who wouldn't | 01:45 |
| mrgoodcat | if i had 1.6M to burn on a TV i'd for sure have a movie theater | 01:45 |
| gamerchick02 | i wouldn't, partly because i don't have 1.6 million bucks and i could find a bunch of other things to spend it on. | 01:45 |
| mrgoodcat | that's why i said "on a TV" | 01:46 |
| gamerchick02 | ah | 01:46 |
| mrgoodcat | it assumes that i am rich enough to be able to budget 1.6 just for my TV | 01:46 |
| gamerchick02 | yes for a movie theater | 01:47 |
| mrgoodcat | presumably i've already bought Ferarri and Porsche | 01:47 |
| mrgoodcat | the companies not the cars | 01:47 |
| gamerchick02 | LOL yes | 01:47 |
| mrgoodcat | and commissioned a real-life iron man suit | 01:47 |
| mrgoodcat | that's very important | 01:47 |
| gamerchick02 | dude | 01:47 |
| mrgoodcat | higher priority than the TV | 01:47 |
| gamerchick02 | that'd be awesome | 01:47 |
| mrgoodcat | can't figure out why Elon Musk doesn't already have one | 01:48 |
| mrgoodcat | or Richard Branson | 01:48 |
| mrgoodcat | or any one of the tech gazillionaires | 01:48 |
| gamerchick02 | if i was Richard Branson i'd surely have an Iron Man suit. | 01:48 |
| gamerchick02 | what about Bill Gates? | 01:48 |
| mrgoodcat | he's too grounded | 01:48 |
| gamerchick02 | hah, literally | 01:48 |
| gamerchick02 | he'd rather bring world peace and water and education to everyone. | 01:49 |
| gamerchick02 | which, if i was Bill Gates, i probably would do that too. | 01:49 |
| mrgoodcat | i'd have an Iron Man suit | 01:50 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 01:50 |
| gamerchick02 | of course! | 01:50 |
| mrgoodcat | hmmm maybe someone in this channel more versed in blockchain and privacy can tell me if this could possibly be as good as it seems http://storj.io/ | 01:51 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/avZkDZ - Storj - The Future of Cloud Storage | 01:51 |
| mrgoodcat | who was that at coffee house coders tonight? | 03:10 |
| mrgoodcat | writing the weechat plugin | 03:10 |
| trevlar | mrgoodcat: me | 12:53 |
| mrgoodcat | ah. now i can't remember why i was even looking for you | 13:02 |
| mrgoodcat | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 13:02 |
| mrgoodcat | sorry | 13:02 |
| mrgoodcat | anybody here play with rust? | 13:05 |
| brousch__ | mrgoodcat: My car does | 13:10 |
| mrgoodcat | ha | 13:10 |
| mrgoodcat | so that's a no then? | 13:10 |
| cmaloney | Off to a great start. :) | 13:23 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: Haven't played with Rust yet | 13:23 |
| cmaloney | Seemes every day another company comes up with another language. :) | 13:23 |
| cmaloney | Been sticking with Python this whole time. | 13:23 |
| cmaloney | with a smidge of Javascript because you can't swing a dead cat around a web browser without hitting Javascript. | 13:24 |
| mrgoodcat | can't do systems programming in python or javascript | 13:25 |
| cmaloney | bullshit. :) | 13:26 |
| cmaloney | But yeah, it's not as fun. :) | 13:26 |
| jrwren | why can't you do systems programming in python? | 13:28 |
| cmaloney | Because Hacker News said so | 13:29 |
| jrwren | I knew you could | 13:29 |
| mrgoodcat | jrwren: my friends and i are developing a toy kernel for the rapsberry pi for learns. if you can figure out a way to do it in python let me know | 13:29 |
| jrwren | well, i could, but why would i :p | 13:29 |
| jrwren | use C for that :p | 13:29 |
| mrgoodcat | that's what we're doign | 13:29 |
| cmaloney | Actually Python would be sweet as a kernel | 13:30 |
| mrgoodcat | well c++ actually | 13:30 |
| cmaloney | create a mini bootloader that brings up Python | 13:30 |
| mrgoodcat | inb4c++sucks | 13:30 |
| jrwren | python would not be sweet as a kernel | 13:30 |
| jrwren | oh, a mini bootloader. | 13:30 |
| mrgoodcat | cmaloney: ha we were thinking about micropython | 13:30 |
| cmaloney | then you can have all the fun of duck-typing IOCTLs. | 13:30 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: yeah, that would be sweet. | 13:30 |
| jrwren | i'm actually OK with duck typing ioctls too. | 13:31 |
| jrwren | how about embedding cpython in teh linux kernel and writing linux kernel modules in python? | 13:31 |
| jrwren | hrm... does pypy offer a means to ahead of time compile? | 13:32 |
| cmaloney | Unsure. | 13:33 |
| jrwren | i didn't see it listed. | 13:34 |
| jrwren | cython then! | 13:35 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, I think pypy's claim to fame is the jit | 13:36 |
| cmaloney | Kind of like asking to run Java without the JVM | 13:36 |
| mrgoodcat | ok well if you dont like new languages, then maybe new privacy minded storage methods... | 13:37 |
| cmaloney | ? | 13:37 |
| mrgoodcat | http://storj.io | 13:37 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/avZkDZ - Storj - The Future of Cloud Storage | 13:37 |
| cmaloney | God, that again? :) | 13:37 |
| mrgoodcat | haha | 13:37 |
| mrgoodcat | there was no comment about it last night | 13:37 |
| mrgoodcat | so i figured i'd ask again | 13:37 |
| cmaloney | THERE WAS A REASON THERE WAS NO COMMENT | 13:38 |
| cmaloney | ;) | 13:38 |
| mrgoodcat | i'm really just wondering if it's even viable | 13:38 |
| cmaloney | Is there money involved? | 13:38 |
| mrgoodcat | i dont know enough about blockchain | 13:38 |
| mrgoodcat | yes, money in and out | 13:38 |
| cmaloney | Is it controlled by a centralized authority? | 13:39 |
| mrgoodcat | no | 13:39 |
| cmaloney | Then it will be gamed and is ultimately doomed to failure. :) | 13:39 |
| mrgoodcat | you earn Storcoins (bitcoin clone) by allowing it to use your disk space and calculating the checksums, Storcoins can be redeemed for money | 13:40 |
| cmaloney | Right, as can micropayments. :) | 13:40 |
| * cmaloney is trying to think of what the 1990s ___gold was called | 13:41 | |
| cmaloney | e-gold. | 13:42 |
| cmaloney | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-gold | 13:43 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/13dOi - E-gold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 13:43 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: and yet, that is like asking to run C# without the VM, and that is exactly what mono aot does :) | 13:43 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: That's because there's value to C#. :) | 13:44 |
| cmaloney | As opposed to Java, where everyon'e first step with theJVM is to ditch Java. :) | 13:45 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 13:45 |
| mrgoodcat | there are a billion JVM languages | 13:45 |
| cmaloney | Exactly. | 13:45 |
| jrwren | kinda true. | 13:46 |
| cmaloney | I'm being a little glib here but I'm not aware of the same "rip out the language" mentality in the .NET environment. | 13:46 |
| cmaloney | Even though .NET kinda encourages it. | 13:47 |
| jrwren | definitely not. | 13:47 |
| mrgoodcat | well c# is pretty nice | 13:47 |
| mrgoodcat | so... | 13:47 |
| jrwren | there is good support for F# and VB.NET of course, but i dno't see people running from C# like they run from Jaba | 13:47 |
| jrwren | I love C# | 13:47 |
| brousch__ | VB.NET r0x! | 13:47 |
| mrgoodcat | C# the hutt | 13:47 |
| mrgoodcat | python.NET | 13:48 |
| mrgoodcat | go | 13:48 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: Definitely. There's ironpython and ironruby | 13:49 |
| mrgoodcat | yup | 13:49 |
| cmaloney | but I consider those more porting an existing language | 13:49 |
| cmaloney | Clojure and Scala are new languages that replace Java. | 13:49 |
| brousch__ | ironpython is very neglected, and ironruby is dead | 13:50 |
| cmaloney | Not aware of .NET languages that were totally new, third party creations. | 13:50 |
| cmaloney | brousch__: Unsurprising | 13:50 |
| cmaloney | (and yes, F# is totally new, but that's Microsoft's doing). | 13:51 |
| mrgoodcat | that's because there isnt any real compelling reason to use ironpython or ironruby | 13:51 |
| mrgoodcat | afaict | 13:52 |
| cmaloney | Yeah. | 13:52 |
| jrwren | and ironruby is abandoned | 13:53 |
| jrwren | and ironpython has like 1 person working on it, kinda. | 13:53 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: there is Boo | 13:53 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: there is unityscript :) | 13:53 |
| jrwren | both totally new, third party creations | 13:53 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: I stand corrected. | 13:54 |
| cmaloney | How many of them have O'Reilly books? :) | 13:55 |
| cmaloney | or Pragmatic Programmer books? :) | 13:55 |
| jrwren | likely none. | 13:56 |
| enleeten | there's a C# implementation for the JVM | 13:56 |
| mrgoodcat | rly? | 13:57 |
| enleeten | https://code.google.com/p/stab-language/ | 13:57 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/mwTCQs - stab-language - A multi-paradigm programming language designed for the Java Virtual Machine - Google Project Hosting | 13:57 |
| jrwren | wow | 13:57 |
| jrwren | scala isn't far from a C# for jvm :p | 13:57 |
| enleeten | true | 13:57 |
| enleeten | but stab is almost a direct clone | 13:58 |
| enleeten | I want to like scala but it's like perl | 13:58 |
| jrwren | indeed. I love it. this stab lang is great. | 13:58 |
| jrwren | but... type erasure :( | 13:58 |
| cmaloney | What's wrong with Perl? :) | 13:58 |
| enleeten | it tends to turn into unreadable ick after a while | 13:58 |
| cmaloney | enleeten: Only if you don't do chmod a-w before it becomes unreadable. :) | 14:00 |
| enleeten | ha that should be in the scala docs | 14:03 |
| enleeten | maybe perl isn't the best analogue | 14:03 |
| enleeten | maybe C++ for the jvm | 14:03 |
| enleeten | would be more accurate | 14:03 |
| jrwren | perl is far more readable than any erlang I've ever seen. | 14:08 |
| jrwren | and the kids LOVE erlang | 14:08 |
| jrwren | in todays climate of codereview, I don't feel perl would get unreadable. | 14:08 |
| jrwren | you'd have guidelines similar to pep8 that say, use the verbose option of all the vars in perlvar | 14:10 |
| jrwren | and checking tools to catch where that doesn't happen | 14:11 |
| jrwren | although $ARG and @ARG instead of $_ and @_ is kinda weird in perl | 14:11 |
| jrwren | but $GID instead of $( and $GID instead of $) makes lots of sense IMO | 14:12 |
| mrgoodcat | It is too hard to determine the type of a Scalar, e.g there is no easy way to determine if a variable is a string. | 14:12 |
| cmaloney | In Perl? | 14:16 |
| cmaloney | It's very easy. | 14:16 |
| cmaloney | [0-9.] <- number | 14:16 |
| cmaloney | Anything else == String | 14:16 |
| jrwren | mrgoodcat: that is not a perl thing, that is a dynamically typed thing. | 14:18 |
| jrwren | zomg, ya know what would be sweet? openstack nova LXC host migration | 14:19 |
| jrwren | anyone know if rsync has an option similar to scp -3 ? | 14:47 |
| jrwren | zomg, I just had a crazy idea... put all my data in ceph... at home. im my basement | 15:45 |
| brousch__ | That is crazy. | 15:46 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: That's utterly brilliant. :) | 16:22 |
| cmaloney | Then you could put it all in LXC containers all living on the same drive. | 16:22 |
| cmaloney | Today's lunch: Lentils Curry with Rice | 16:54 |
| cmaloney | looks like a dog's breakfast. :) | 16:55 |
| brousch__ | post-digestion? | 16:57 |
| jrwren | and i can cry when cephfs fails and I lose my data and then ya'll can tell me "they said not production ready!" | 17:17 |
| mrgoodcat | jrwren: what are you trying to accomplish by running the data through the localhost? | 17:36 |
| mrgoodcat | is it a NAT problem or something? | 17:36 |
| jrwren | huh? | 17:41 |
| jrwren | oh. | 17:41 |
| jrwren | its ok, i just used scp -3 | 17:41 |
| jrwren | but yes, 1 network is not on internet. | 17:41 |
| _stink_ | rick_h_: is there an IRC channel for nose? | 19:44 |
| _stink_ | or cmaloney --^ | 19:44 |
| _stink_ | or anyone. | 19:44 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: no, not that I know of | 19:45 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: we moved to pytest, nose 1 is deprecated and nose2 was too different and not as usable | 19:45 |
| _stink_ | ah, ok | 19:46 |
| _stink_ | https://nose.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ is deprecated? | 19:46 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/0VWBz - Installation and quick start — nose 1.3.3 documentation | 19:46 |
| _stink_ | github shows recent dev | 19:46 |
| _stink_ | anyway suddenly i'm seeing stuff living from test method to test method in a very strange way - like i instantiate an instance and it suddenly has attributes preset. weird. | 19:47 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: the guy that runs it said it was deprecated so I moved on | 19:47 |
| _stink_ | o cool | 19:48 |
| _stink_ | thanks for the info! | 19:48 |
| cmaloney | _stink_: We're still using nose | 19:54 |
| cmaloney | in that we're not really doing a lot of unit testing. :) | 19:54 |
| brousch__ | Real men test in production | 19:54 |
| cmaloney | and commit there. | 19:55 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoh | 19:55 |
| mrgoodcat | i just sniff my keyboard with my IRL nose | 19:55 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoho | 19:55 |
| bookiebot | squeekyhoho's current track - The Wanderer by Amorphis on Circle | 19:55 |
| _stink_ | cmaloney: hah. rest assured that this testing is for a personal thing, not for work. | 19:55 |
| cmaloney | _stink_: Yeah, screw work testing. :) | 19:55 |
| mrgoodcat | bugs smell a bit bitter on the keyboard | 19:55 |
| mrgoodcat | try that | 19:55 |
| mrgoodcat | :) | 19:56 |
| cmaloney | all I smell on my keyboard are broken dreams | 19:56 |
| cmaloney | Wait, that's lunch | 19:56 |
| cmaloney | n/m | 19:56 |
| greg-g | from last week | 19:56 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: I'll have you know I sanitize my keyboard once in a great while | 19:56 |
| greg-g | emphasis on great | 19:57 |
| cmaloney | GREAT! | 19:57 |
| mrgoodcat | if you can't smell teh bug on your keyboard make sure you are sniffing the keyboard you used to write the code. alternatively, put the code on a flash drive and sniff that. Sometimes it works a little better | 19:57 |
| greg-g | cmaloney: now now Tony | 19:57 |
| rick_h_ | anyone ever seen a network interfaces em1? | 19:59 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: I think it's a new wired interface | 20:00 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: interesting | 20:01 |
| cmaloney | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/1320916 | 20:01 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/u89Fsu - Bug #1320916 “NICs being mapped with strange names that make no ...” : Bugs : “udev” package : Ubuntu | 20:01 |
| cmaloney | Wonder if it's some systemd thing? | 20:01 |
| rick_h_ | smoser: got a sec? server network issue and your name is dropped in http://askubuntu.com/questions/63456/waiting-for-network-configuration-adding-3-to-5-minutes-to-boot-time | 21:05 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/YLdpPa - startup - "Waiting for network configuration" adding 3 to 5 minutes to boot time - Ask Ubuntu | 21:05 |
| smoser | rick_h_, is that a problem for you now ? | 21:10 |
| rick_h_ | smoser: well I think it's related, and causing maas to not come up, but found another link which might be more correct trying something | 21:11 |
| smoser | basically, if you're seeing a message like that, then its bcause /etc/network/interfaces has a interface configured that is not going to come up. | 21:11 |
| rick_h_ | smoser: yea, trying to get the dual nic on this nuc to come up right | 21:12 |
| rick_h_ | well, one is a usb nic, other is built iun | 21:12 |
| smoser | rick_h_, i'm sorry. i've got to run. | 21:13 |
| rick_h_ | smoser: all good, thanks | 21:13 |
| smoser | i can try to help tomrorow | 21:13 |
| rick_h_ | smoser: ty | 21:13 |
| gamerchick02 | https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly movies. | 21:16 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/iDYd8 - Humble Weekly Bundle: Indievision Presented by Devolver Digital (pay what you want and help charity) | 21:16 |
| cmaloney | gamerchick02: yeah, this is a rough week | 21:25 |
| cmaloney | http://bundleofholding.com | 21:25 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/554dq - PARANOIA Bundle - it's mandatory! | 21:25 |
| gamerchick02 | LOL | 21:26 |
| gamerchick02 | i just bought two albums from blackbird blackbird yesterday so i'll probably miss those. | 21:27 |
| gamerchick02 | but wow that's a great deal | 21:27 |
| gamerchick02 | hrm... | 21:27 |
| mrgoodcat | i was all exceited about amazon prime music until i actually tried to listen to something on it | 21:46 |
| mrgoodcat | what a shit service | 21:46 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: Yeah, as soon as I saw "only popular music" it instantly became dead to me. | 21:47 |
| cmaloney | Yay top 40 bullshit radio. | 21:47 |
| mrgoodcat | not even | 21:47 |
| mrgoodcat | eminem is conspicuously missing | 21:47 |
| mrgoodcat | it's not even top 40 | 21:47 |
| cmaloney | it's what I lovingly refer to as "Secretary rock" | 21:48 |
| mrgoodcat | it's like 30/40 | 21:48 |
| mrgoodcat | and not even the "top" | 21:48 |
| mrgoodcat | woof | 21:48 |
| cmaloney | That drivel that only administrative assistats listen to on their crappy clock radios at work. | 21:48 |
| cmaloney | WNIC / WMGC. | 21:48 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 21:48 |
| mrgoodcat | 95.5 the douche | 21:49 |
| cmaloney | "background noise" or more appropriately "music to make me stabby" | 21:49 |
| mrgoodcat | taking requests at 1-800-IMA-DCHE | 21:50 |
| gamerchick02 | ew | 22:53 |
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