[00:02] cmaloney, do you you have meds to take care of your ailing stomach? [00:02] yeah, took some meijer tums [00:03] good. feel better, man [00:03] and i MIGHT have bought two CDs from Blackbird Blackbird today. [00:03] :-D [00:05] rick_h_: http://vpaste.net/bArQp [00:05] http://goo.gl/1GGoHl - text/plain; charset=UTF-8 [00:30] dpkg -s /etc/os-release [00:41] did any of you know theabout /etc/os-release file? [00:41] gah [00:41] about the * [00:46] zomg, I can linux on the desktop now: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/27vr19/firefox_30_released_finally_supports_gstreamer10/ [00:46] http://goo.gl/HOyjye - Too Many Requests [00:50] jrwren: what was preventing you before? [01:19] mrgoodcat: I knew about lsb_release [01:19] but not os-release [01:20] os-release is not distro-specific [01:21] it's part of systemd so it can be used on most distros now [01:21] mrgoodcat: nothing. i'm just happy about the firefox h264 support via gstreamer [01:22] well most may be an overstatement [01:22] but systemd is slowly becoming the de-facto "standard" [01:40] rick_h_: I just want to know: how is UPS going to deliever this? http://mashable.com/2014/06/11/titan-zeus-370-inch-tv/?utm_cid=mash-com-G+-main-photo [01:40] http://goo.gl/XeEsQH - This 370-Inch TV Costs $1.6 Million — and Someone Actually Bought It [01:41] and I think Erica might notice it. :) [01:45] who would pay that much for a TV? [01:45] gamerchick02: who wouldn't [01:45] if i had 1.6M to burn on a TV i'd for sure have a movie theater [01:45] i wouldn't, partly because i don't have 1.6 million bucks and i could find a bunch of other things to spend it on. [01:46] that's why i said "on a TV" [01:46] ah [01:46] it assumes that i am rich enough to be able to budget 1.6 just for my TV [01:47] yes for a movie theater [01:47] presumably i've already bought Ferarri and Porsche [01:47] the companies not the cars [01:47] LOL yes [01:47] and commissioned a real-life iron man suit [01:47] that's very important [01:47] dude [01:47] higher priority than the TV [01:47] that'd be awesome [01:48] can't figure out why Elon Musk doesn't already have one [01:48] or Richard Branson [01:48] or any one of the tech gazillionaires [01:48] if i was Richard Branson i'd surely have an Iron Man suit. [01:48] what about Bill Gates? [01:48] he's too grounded [01:48] hah, literally [01:49] he'd rather bring world peace and water and education to everyone. [01:49] which, if i was Bill Gates, i probably would do that too. [01:50] i'd have an Iron Man suit [01:50] lol [01:50] of course! [01:51] hmmm maybe someone in this channel more versed in blockchain and privacy can tell me if this could possibly be as good as it seems http://storj.io/ [01:51] http://goo.gl/avZkDZ - Storj - The Future of Cloud Storage [03:10] who was that at coffee house coders tonight? [03:10] writing the weechat plugin [12:53] mrgoodcat: me [13:02] ah. now i can't remember why i was even looking for you [13:02] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [13:02] sorry [13:05] anybody here play with rust? [13:10] mrgoodcat: My car does [13:10] ha [13:10] so that's a no then? [13:23] Off to a great start. :) [13:23] mrgoodcat: Haven't played with Rust yet [13:23] Seemes every day another company comes up with another language. :) [13:23] Been sticking with Python this whole time. [13:24] with a smidge of Javascript because you can't swing a dead cat around a web browser without hitting Javascript. [13:25] can't do systems programming in python or javascript [13:26] bullshit. :) [13:26] But yeah, it's not as fun. :) [13:28] why can't you do systems programming in python? [13:29] Because Hacker News said so [13:29] I knew you could [13:29] jrwren: my friends and i are developing a toy kernel for the rapsberry pi for learns. if you can figure out a way to do it in python let me know [13:29] well, i could, but why would i :p [13:29] use C for that :p [13:29] that's what we're doign [13:30] Actually Python would be sweet as a kernel [13:30] well c++ actually [13:30] create a mini bootloader that brings up Python [13:30] inb4c++sucks [13:30] python would not be sweet as a kernel [13:30] oh, a mini bootloader. [13:30] cmaloney: ha we were thinking about micropython [13:30] then you can have all the fun of duck-typing IOCTLs. [13:30] cmaloney: yeah, that would be sweet. [13:31] i'm actually OK with duck typing ioctls too. [13:31] how about embedding cpython in teh linux kernel and writing linux kernel modules in python? [13:32] hrm... does pypy offer a means to ahead of time compile? [13:33] Unsure. [13:34] i didn't see it listed. [13:35] cython then! [13:36] Yeah, I think pypy's claim to fame is the jit [13:36] Kind of like asking to run Java without the JVM [13:37] ok well if you dont like new languages, then maybe new privacy minded storage methods... [13:37] ? [13:37] http://storj.io [13:37] http://goo.gl/avZkDZ - Storj - The Future of Cloud Storage [13:37] God, that again? :) [13:37] haha [13:37] there was no comment about it last night [13:37] so i figured i'd ask again [13:38] THERE WAS A REASON THERE WAS NO COMMENT [13:38] ;) [13:38] i'm really just wondering if it's even viable [13:38] Is there money involved? [13:38] i dont know enough about blockchain [13:38] yes, money in and out [13:39] Is it controlled by a centralized authority? [13:39] no [13:39] Then it will be gamed and is ultimately doomed to failure. :) [13:40] you earn Storcoins (bitcoin clone) by allowing it to use your disk space and calculating the checksums, Storcoins can be redeemed for money [13:40] Right, as can micropayments. :) [13:41] * cmaloney is trying to think of what the 1990s ___gold was called [13:42] e-gold. [13:43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-gold [13:43] http://goo.gl/13dOi - E-gold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [13:43] cmaloney: and yet, that is like asking to run C# without the VM, and that is exactly what mono aot does :) [13:44] jrwren: That's because there's value to C#. :) [13:45] As opposed to Java, where everyon'e first step with theJVM is to ditch Java. :) [13:45] lol [13:45] there are a billion JVM languages [13:45] Exactly. [13:46] kinda true. [13:46] I'm being a little glib here but I'm not aware of the same "rip out the language" mentality in the .NET environment. [13:47] Even though .NET kinda encourages it. [13:47] definitely not. [13:47] well c# is pretty nice [13:47] so... [13:47] there is good support for F# and VB.NET of course, but i dno't see people running from C# like they run from Jaba [13:47] I love C# [13:47] VB.NET r0x! [13:47] C# the hutt [13:48] python.NET [13:48] go [13:49] mrgoodcat: Definitely. There's ironpython and ironruby [13:49] yup [13:49] but I consider those more porting an existing language [13:49] Clojure and Scala are new languages that replace Java. [13:50] ironpython is very neglected, and ironruby is dead [13:50] Not aware of .NET languages that were totally new, third party creations. [13:50] brousch__: Unsurprising [13:51] (and yes, F# is totally new, but that's Microsoft's doing). [13:51] that's because there isnt any real compelling reason to use ironpython or ironruby [13:52] afaict [13:52] Yeah. [13:53] and ironruby is abandoned [13:53] and ironpython has like 1 person working on it, kinda. [13:53] cmaloney: there is Boo [13:53] cmaloney: there is unityscript :) [13:53] both totally new, third party creations [13:54] jrwren: I stand corrected. [13:55] How many of them have O'Reilly books? :) [13:55] or Pragmatic Programmer books? :) [13:56] likely none. [13:56] there's a C# implementation for the JVM [13:57] rly? [13:57] https://code.google.com/p/stab-language/ [13:57] http://goo.gl/mwTCQs - stab-language - A multi-paradigm programming language designed for the Java Virtual Machine - Google Project Hosting [13:57] wow [13:57] scala isn't far from a C# for jvm :p [13:57] true [13:58] but stab is almost a direct clone [13:58] I want to like scala but it's like perl [13:58] indeed. I love it. this stab lang is great. [13:58] but... type erasure :( [13:58] What's wrong with Perl? :) [13:58] it tends to turn into unreadable ick after a while [14:00] enleeten: Only if you don't do chmod a-w before it becomes unreadable. :) [14:03] ha that should be in the scala docs [14:03] maybe perl isn't the best analogue [14:03] maybe C++ for the jvm [14:03] would be more accurate [14:08] perl is far more readable than any erlang I've ever seen. [14:08] and the kids LOVE erlang [14:08] in todays climate of codereview, I don't feel perl would get unreadable. [14:10] you'd have guidelines similar to pep8 that say, use the verbose option of all the vars in perlvar [14:11] and checking tools to catch where that doesn't happen [14:11] although $ARG and @ARG instead of $_ and @_ is kinda weird in perl [14:12] but $GID instead of $( and $GID instead of $) makes lots of sense IMO [14:12] It is too hard to determine the type of a Scalar, e.g there is no easy way to determine if a variable is a string. [14:16] In Perl? [14:16] It's very easy. [14:16] [0-9.] <- number [14:16] Anything else == String [14:18] mrgoodcat: that is not a perl thing, that is a dynamically typed thing. [14:19] zomg, ya know what would be sweet? openstack nova LXC host migration [14:47] anyone know if rsync has an option similar to scp -3 ? [15:45] zomg, I just had a crazy idea... put all my data in ceph... at home. im my basement [15:46] That is crazy. [16:22] jrwren: That's utterly brilliant. :) [16:22] Then you could put it all in LXC containers all living on the same drive. [16:54] Today's lunch: Lentils Curry with Rice [16:55] looks like a dog's breakfast. :) [16:57] post-digestion? [17:17] and i can cry when cephfs fails and I lose my data and then ya'll can tell me "they said not production ready!" [17:36] jrwren: what are you trying to accomplish by running the data through the localhost? [17:36] is it a NAT problem or something? [17:41] huh? [17:41] oh. [17:41] its ok, i just used scp -3 [17:41] but yes, 1 network is not on internet. [19:44] <_stink_> rick_h_: is there an IRC channel for nose? [19:44] <_stink_> or cmaloney --^ [19:44] <_stink_> or anyone. [19:45] _stink_: no, not that I know of [19:45] _stink_: we moved to pytest, nose 1 is deprecated and nose2 was too different and not as usable [19:46] <_stink_> ah, ok [19:46] <_stink_> https://nose.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ is deprecated? [19:46] http://goo.gl/0VWBz - Installation and quick start — nose 1.3.3 documentation [19:46] <_stink_> github shows recent dev [19:47] <_stink_> anyway suddenly i'm seeing stuff living from test method to test method in a very strange way - like i instantiate an instance and it suddenly has attributes preset. weird. [19:47] _stink_: the guy that runs it said it was deprecated so I moved on [19:48] <_stink_> o cool [19:48] <_stink_> thanks for the info! [19:54] _stink_: We're still using nose [19:54] in that we're not really doing a lot of unit testing. :) [19:54] Real men test in production [19:55] and commit there. [19:55] .np squeekyhoh [19:55] i just sniff my keyboard with my IRL nose [19:55] .np squeekyhoho [19:55] squeekyhoho's current track - The Wanderer by Amorphis on Circle [19:55] <_stink_> cmaloney: hah. rest assured that this testing is for a personal thing, not for work. [19:55] _stink_: Yeah, screw work testing. :) [19:55] bugs smell a bit bitter on the keyboard [19:55] try that [19:56] :) [19:56] all I smell on my keyboard are broken dreams [19:56] Wait, that's lunch [19:56] n/m [19:56] from last week [19:56] greg-g: I'll have you know I sanitize my keyboard once in a great while [19:57] emphasis on great [19:57] GREAT! [19:57] if you can't smell teh bug on your keyboard make sure you are sniffing the keyboard you used to write the code. alternatively, put the code on a flash drive and sniff that. Sometimes it works a little better [19:57] cmaloney: now now Tony [19:59] anyone ever seen a network interfaces em1? [20:00] rick_h_: I think it's a new wired interface [20:01] cmaloney: interesting [20:01] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/1320916 [20:01] http://goo.gl/u89Fsu - Bug #1320916 “NICs being mapped with strange names that make no ...” : Bugs : “udev” package : Ubuntu [20:01] Wonder if it's some systemd thing? [21:05] smoser: got a sec? server network issue and your name is dropped in http://askubuntu.com/questions/63456/waiting-for-network-configuration-adding-3-to-5-minutes-to-boot-time [21:05] http://goo.gl/YLdpPa - startup - "Waiting for network configuration" adding 3 to 5 minutes to boot time - Ask Ubuntu [21:10] rick_h_, is that a problem for you now ? [21:11] smoser: well I think it's related, and causing maas to not come up, but found another link which might be more correct trying something [21:11] basically, if you're seeing a message like that, then its bcause /etc/network/interfaces has a interface configured that is not going to come up. [21:12] smoser: yea, trying to get the dual nic on this nuc to come up right [21:12] well, one is a usb nic, other is built iun [21:13] rick_h_, i'm sorry. i've got to run. [21:13] smoser: all good, thanks [21:13] i can try to help tomrorow [21:13] smoser: ty [21:16] https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly movies. [21:16] http://goo.gl/iDYd8 - Humble Weekly Bundle: Indievision Presented by Devolver Digital (pay what you want and help charity) [21:25] gamerchick02: yeah, this is a rough week [21:25] http://bundleofholding.com [21:25] http://goo.gl/554dq - PARANOIA Bundle - it's mandatory! [21:26] LOL [21:27] i just bought two albums from blackbird blackbird yesterday so i'll probably miss those. [21:27] but wow that's a great deal [21:27] hrm... [21:46] i was all exceited about amazon prime music until i actually tried to listen to something on it [21:46] what a shit service [21:47] mrgoodcat: Yeah, as soon as I saw "only popular music" it instantly became dead to me. [21:47] Yay top 40 bullshit radio. [21:47] not even [21:47] eminem is conspicuously missing [21:47] it's not even top 40 [21:48] it's what I lovingly refer to as "Secretary rock" [21:48] it's like 30/40 [21:48] and not even the "top" [21:48] woof [21:48] That drivel that only administrative assistats listen to on their crappy clock radios at work. [21:48] WNIC / WMGC. [21:48] lol [21:49] 95.5 the douche [21:49] "background noise" or more appropriately "music to make me stabby" [21:50] taking requests at 1-800-IMA-DCHE [22:53] ew