[00:02] <gamerchick02> cmaloney, do you you have meds to take care of your ailing stomach?
[00:02] <cmaloney> yeah, took some meijer tums
[00:03] <gamerchick02> good. feel better, man
[00:03] <gamerchick02> and i MIGHT have bought two CDs from Blackbird Blackbird today.
[00:03] <gamerchick02> :-D
[00:05] <waf> rick_h_: http://vpaste.net/bArQp
[00:05] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/1GGoHl - text/plain; charset=UTF-8
[00:30] <mrgoodcat> dpkg -s /etc/os-release
[00:41] <mrgoodcat> did any of you know  theabout /etc/os-release file?
[00:41] <mrgoodcat> gah
[00:41] <mrgoodcat> about the *
[00:46] <jrwren> zomg, I can linux on the desktop now: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/27vr19/firefox_30_released_finally_supports_gstreamer10/
[00:46] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/HOyjye - Too Many Requests
[00:50] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: what was preventing you before?
[01:19] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I knew about lsb_release
[01:19] <cmaloney> but not os-release
[01:20] <mrgoodcat> os-release is not distro-specific
[01:21] <mrgoodcat> it's part of systemd so it can be used on most distros now
[01:21] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: nothing. i'm just happy about the firefox h264 support via gstreamer
[01:22] <mrgoodcat> well most may be an overstatement
[01:22] <mrgoodcat> but systemd is slowly becoming the de-facto "standard"
[01:40] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I just want to know: how is UPS going to deliever this? http://mashable.com/2014/06/11/titan-zeus-370-inch-tv/?utm_cid=mash-com-G+-main-photo
[01:40] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/XeEsQH - This 370-Inch TV Costs $1.6 Million — and Someone Actually Bought It
[01:41] <cmaloney> and I think Erica might notice it. :)
[01:45] <gamerchick02> who would pay that much for a TV?
[01:45] <mrgoodcat> gamerchick02: who wouldn't
[01:45] <mrgoodcat> if i had 1.6M to burn on a TV i'd for sure have a movie theater
[01:45] <gamerchick02> i wouldn't, partly because i don't have 1.6 million bucks and i could find a bunch of other things to spend it on.
[01:46] <mrgoodcat> that's why i said "on a TV"
[01:46] <gamerchick02> ah
[01:46] <mrgoodcat> it assumes that i am rich enough to be able to budget 1.6 just for my TV
[01:47] <gamerchick02> yes for a movie theater
[01:47] <mrgoodcat> presumably i've already bought Ferarri and Porsche
[01:47] <mrgoodcat> the companies not the cars
[01:47] <gamerchick02> LOL yes
[01:47] <mrgoodcat> and commissioned a real-life iron man suit
[01:47] <mrgoodcat> that's very important
[01:47] <gamerchick02> dude
[01:47] <mrgoodcat> higher priority than the TV
[01:47] <gamerchick02> that'd be awesome
[01:48] <mrgoodcat> can't figure out why Elon Musk doesn't already have one
[01:48] <mrgoodcat> or Richard Branson
[01:48] <mrgoodcat> or any one of the tech gazillionaires
[01:48] <gamerchick02> if i was Richard Branson i'd surely have an Iron Man suit.
[01:48] <gamerchick02> what about Bill Gates?
[01:48] <mrgoodcat> he's too grounded
[01:48] <gamerchick02> hah, literally
[01:49] <gamerchick02> he'd rather bring world peace and water and education to everyone.
[01:49] <gamerchick02> which, if i was Bill Gates, i probably would do that too.
[01:50] <mrgoodcat> i'd have an Iron Man suit
[01:50] <mrgoodcat> lol
[01:50] <gamerchick02> of course!
[01:51] <mrgoodcat> hmmm maybe someone in this channel more versed in blockchain and privacy can tell me if this could possibly be as good as it seems http://storj.io/
[01:51] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/avZkDZ - Storj - The Future of Cloud Storage
[03:10] <mrgoodcat> who was that at coffee house coders tonight?
[03:10] <mrgoodcat> writing the weechat plugin
[12:53] <trevlar> mrgoodcat: me
[13:02] <mrgoodcat> ah. now i can't remember why i was even looking for you
[13:02] <mrgoodcat> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[13:02] <mrgoodcat> sorry
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> anybody here play with rust?
[13:10] <brousch__> mrgoodcat: My car does
[13:10] <mrgoodcat> ha
[13:10] <mrgoodcat> so that's a no then?
[13:23] <cmaloney> Off to a great start. :)
[13:23] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Haven't played with Rust yet
[13:23] <cmaloney> Seemes every day another company comes up with another language. :)
[13:23] <cmaloney> Been sticking with Python this whole time.
[13:24] <cmaloney> with a smidge of Javascript because you can't swing a dead cat around a web browser without hitting Javascript.
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> can't do systems programming in python or javascript
[13:26] <cmaloney> bullshit. :)
[13:26] <cmaloney> But yeah, it's not as fun. :)
[13:28] <jrwren> why can't you do systems programming in python?
[13:29] <cmaloney> Because Hacker News said so
[13:29] <jrwren> I knew you could
[13:29] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: my friends and i are developing a toy kernel for the rapsberry pi for learns. if you can figure out a way to do it in python let me know
[13:29] <jrwren> well, i could, but why would i :p
[13:29] <jrwren> use C for that :p
[13:29] <mrgoodcat> that's what we're doign
[13:30] <cmaloney> Actually Python would be sweet as a kernel
[13:30] <mrgoodcat> well c++ actually
[13:30] <cmaloney> create a mini bootloader that brings up Python
[13:30] <mrgoodcat> inb4c++sucks
[13:30] <jrwren> python would not be sweet as a kernel
[13:30] <jrwren> oh, a mini bootloader.
[13:30] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: ha we were thinking about micropython
[13:30] <cmaloney> then you can have all the fun of duck-typing IOCTLs.
[13:30] <jrwren> cmaloney: yeah, that would be sweet.
[13:31] <jrwren> i'm actually OK with duck typing ioctls too.
[13:31] <jrwren> how about embedding cpython in teh linux kernel and writing linux kernel modules in python?
[13:32] <jrwren> hrm... does pypy offer a means to ahead of time compile?
[13:33] <cmaloney> Unsure.
[13:34] <jrwren> i didn't see it listed.
[13:35] <jrwren> cython then!
[13:36] <cmaloney> Yeah, I think pypy's claim to fame is the jit
[13:36] <cmaloney> Kind of like asking to run Java without the JVM
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> ok well if you dont like new languages, then maybe new privacy minded storage methods...
[13:37] <cmaloney> ?
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> http://storj.io
[13:37] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/avZkDZ - Storj - The Future of Cloud Storage
[13:37] <cmaloney> God, that again? :)
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> haha
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> there was no comment about it last night
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> so i figured i'd ask again
[13:38] <cmaloney> THERE WAS A REASON THERE WAS NO COMMENT
[13:38] <cmaloney> ;)
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> i'm really just wondering if it's even viable
[13:38] <cmaloney> Is there money involved?
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> i dont know enough about blockchain
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> yes, money in and out
[13:39] <cmaloney> Is it controlled by a centralized authority?
[13:39] <mrgoodcat> no
[13:39] <cmaloney> Then it will be gamed and is ultimately doomed to failure. :)
[13:40] <mrgoodcat> you earn Storcoins (bitcoin clone) by allowing it to use your disk space and calculating the checksums, Storcoins can be redeemed for money
[13:40] <cmaloney> Right, as can micropayments. :)
[13:41]  * cmaloney is trying to think of what the 1990s ___gold was called
[13:42] <cmaloney> e-gold.
[13:43] <cmaloney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-gold
[13:43] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/13dOi - E-gold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[13:43] <jrwren> cmaloney: and yet, that is like asking to run C# without the VM, and that is exactly what mono aot does :)
[13:44] <cmaloney> jrwren: That's because there's value to C#. :)
[13:45] <cmaloney> As opposed to Java, where everyon'e first step with theJVM is to ditch Java. :)
[13:45] <mrgoodcat> lol
[13:45] <mrgoodcat> there are a billion JVM languages
[13:45] <cmaloney> Exactly.
[13:46] <jrwren> kinda true.
[13:46] <cmaloney> I'm being a little glib here but I'm not aware of the same "rip out the language" mentality in the .NET environment.
[13:47] <cmaloney> Even though .NET kinda encourages it.
[13:47] <jrwren> definitely not.
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> well c# is pretty nice
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> so...
[13:47] <jrwren> there is good support for F# and VB.NET of course, but i dno't see people running from C# like they run from Jaba
[13:47] <jrwren> I love C#
[13:47] <brousch__> VB.NET r0x!
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> C# the hutt
[13:48] <mrgoodcat> python.NET
[13:48] <mrgoodcat> go
[13:49] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Definitely. There's ironpython and ironruby
[13:49] <mrgoodcat> yup
[13:49] <cmaloney> but I consider those more porting an existing language
[13:49] <cmaloney> Clojure and Scala are new languages that replace Java.
[13:50] <brousch__> ironpython is very neglected, and ironruby is dead
[13:50] <cmaloney> Not aware of .NET languages that were totally new, third party creations.
[13:50] <cmaloney> brousch__: Unsurprising
[13:51] <cmaloney> (and yes, F# is totally new, but that's Microsoft's doing).
[13:51] <mrgoodcat> that's because there isnt any real compelling reason to use ironpython or ironruby
[13:52] <mrgoodcat> afaict
[13:52] <cmaloney> Yeah.
[13:53] <jrwren> and ironruby is abandoned
[13:53] <jrwren> and ironpython has like 1 person working on it, kinda.
[13:53] <jrwren> cmaloney: there is Boo
[13:53] <jrwren> cmaloney: there is unityscript :)
[13:53] <jrwren> both totally new, third party creations
[13:54] <cmaloney> jrwren: I stand corrected.
[13:55] <cmaloney> How many of them have O'Reilly books? :)
[13:55] <cmaloney> or Pragmatic Programmer books? :)
[13:56] <jrwren> likely none.
[13:56] <enleeten> there's a C# implementation for the JVM
[13:57] <mrgoodcat> rly?
[13:57] <enleeten> https://code.google.com/p/stab-language/
[13:57] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/mwTCQs - stab-language - A multi-paradigm programming language designed for the Java Virtual Machine - Google Project Hosting
[13:57] <jrwren> wow
[13:57] <jrwren> scala isn't far from a C# for jvm :p
[13:57] <enleeten> true
[13:58] <enleeten> but stab is almost a direct clone
[13:58] <enleeten> I want to like scala but it's like perl
[13:58] <jrwren> indeed. I love it. this stab lang is great.
[13:58] <jrwren> but... type erasure :(
[13:58] <cmaloney> What's wrong with Perl? :)
[13:58] <enleeten> it tends to turn into unreadable ick after a while
[14:00] <cmaloney> enleeten: Only if you don't do chmod a-w before it becomes unreadable. :)
[14:03] <enleeten> ha that should be in the scala docs
[14:03] <enleeten> maybe perl isn't the best analogue
[14:03] <enleeten> maybe C++ for the jvm
[14:03] <enleeten> would be more accurate
[14:08] <jrwren> perl is far more readable than any erlang I've ever seen.
[14:08] <jrwren> and the kids LOVE erlang
[14:08] <jrwren> in todays climate of codereview, I don't feel perl would get unreadable.
[14:10] <jrwren> you'd have guidelines similar to pep8 that say, use the verbose option of all the vars in perlvar
[14:11] <jrwren> and checking tools to catch where that doesn't happen
[14:11] <jrwren> although $ARG and @ARG instead of $_ and @_ is kinda weird in perl
[14:12] <jrwren> but $GID instead of $( and $GID instead of $) makes lots of sense IMO
[14:12] <mrgoodcat> It is too hard to determine the type of a Scalar, e.g there is no easy way to determine if a variable is a string.
[14:16] <cmaloney> In Perl?
[14:16] <cmaloney> It's very easy.
[14:16] <cmaloney> [0-9.] <- number
[14:16] <cmaloney> Anything else == String
[14:18] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: that is not a perl thing, that is a dynamically typed thing.
[14:19] <jrwren> zomg, ya know what would be sweet?  openstack nova LXC host migration
[14:47] <jrwren> anyone know if rsync has an option similar to scp -3 ?
[15:45] <jrwren> zomg, I just had a crazy idea... put all my data in ceph... at home. im my basement
[15:46] <brousch__> That is crazy.
[16:22] <cmaloney> jrwren: That's utterly brilliant. :)
[16:22] <cmaloney> Then you could put it all in LXC containers all living on the same drive.
[16:54] <cmaloney> Today's lunch: Lentils Curry with Rice
[16:55] <cmaloney> looks like a dog's breakfast. :)
[16:57] <brousch__> post-digestion?
[17:17] <jrwren> and i can cry when cephfs fails and I lose my data and then ya'll can tell me "they said not production ready!"
[17:36] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: what are you trying to accomplish by running the data through the localhost?
[17:36] <mrgoodcat> is it a NAT problem or something?
[17:41] <jrwren> huh?
[17:41] <jrwren> oh.
[17:41] <jrwren> its ok, i just used scp -3
[17:41] <jrwren> but yes, 1 network is not on internet.
[19:44] <_stink_> rick_h_: is there an IRC channel for nose?
[19:44] <_stink_> or cmaloney --^
[19:44] <_stink_> or anyone.
[19:45] <rick_h_> _stink_: no, not that I know of
[19:45] <rick_h_> _stink_: we moved to pytest, nose 1 is deprecated and nose2 was too different and not as usable
[19:46] <_stink_> ah, ok
[19:46] <_stink_> https://nose.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ is deprecated?
[19:46] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/0VWBz - Installation and quick start — nose 1.3.3 documentation
[19:46] <_stink_> github shows recent dev
[19:47] <_stink_> anyway suddenly i'm seeing stuff living from test method to test method in a very strange way - like i instantiate an instance and it suddenly has attributes preset.  weird.
[19:47] <rick_h_> _stink_: the guy that runs it said it was deprecated so I moved on
[19:48] <_stink_> o cool
[19:48] <_stink_> thanks for the info!
[19:54] <cmaloney> _stink_: We're still using nose
[19:54] <cmaloney> in that we're not really doing a lot of unit testing. :)
[19:54] <brousch__> Real men test in production
[19:55] <cmaloney> and commit there.
[19:55] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoh
[19:55] <mrgoodcat> i just sniff my keyboard with my IRL nose
[19:55] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[19:55] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - The Wanderer by Amorphis on Circle
[19:55] <_stink_> cmaloney: hah.  rest assured that this testing is for a personal thing, not for work.
[19:55] <cmaloney> _stink_: Yeah, screw work testing. :)
[19:55] <mrgoodcat> bugs smell a bit bitter on the keyboard
[19:55] <mrgoodcat> try that
[19:56] <mrgoodcat> :)
[19:56] <cmaloney> all I smell on my keyboard are broken dreams
[19:56] <cmaloney> Wait, that's lunch
[19:56] <cmaloney> n/m
[19:56] <greg-g> from last week
[19:56] <cmaloney> greg-g: I'll have you know I sanitize my keyboard once in a great while
[19:57] <greg-g> emphasis on great
[19:57] <cmaloney> GREAT!
[19:57] <mrgoodcat> if you can't smell teh bug on your keyboard make sure you are sniffing the keyboard you used to write the code. alternatively, put the code on a flash drive and sniff that. Sometimes it works a little better
[19:57] <greg-g> cmaloney: now now Tony
[19:59] <rick_h_> anyone ever seen a network interfaces em1?
[20:00] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I think it's a new wired interface
[20:01] <rick_h_> cmaloney: interesting
[20:01] <cmaloney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/1320916
[20:01] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/u89Fsu - Bug #1320916 “NICs being mapped with strange names that make no ...” : Bugs : “udev” package : Ubuntu
[20:01] <cmaloney> Wonder if it's some systemd thing?
[21:05] <rick_h_> smoser: got a sec? server network issue and your name is dropped in http://askubuntu.com/questions/63456/waiting-for-network-configuration-adding-3-to-5-minutes-to-boot-time
[21:05] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/YLdpPa - startup - "Waiting for network configuration" adding 3 to 5 minutes to boot time - Ask Ubuntu
[21:10] <smoser> rick_h_, is that a problem for you now ?
[21:11] <rick_h_> smoser: well I think it's related, and causing maas to not come up, but found another link which might be more correct trying something
[21:11] <smoser> basically, if you're seeing a message like that, then its bcause /etc/network/interfaces has a interface configured that is not going to come up.
[21:12] <rick_h_> smoser: yea, trying to get the dual nic on this nuc to come up right
[21:12] <rick_h_> well, one is a usb nic, other is built iun
[21:13] <smoser> rick_h_, i'm sorry. i've got to run.
[21:13] <rick_h_> smoser: all good, thanks
[21:13] <smoser> i can try to help tomrorow
[21:13] <rick_h_> smoser: ty
[21:16] <gamerchick02> https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly movies.
[21:16] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/iDYd8 - Humble Weekly Bundle: Indievision Presented by Devolver Digital (pay what you want and help charity)
[21:25] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: yeah, this is a rough week
[21:25] <cmaloney> http://bundleofholding.com
[21:25] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/554dq - PARANOIA Bundle - it's mandatory!
[21:26] <gamerchick02> LOL
[21:27] <gamerchick02> i just bought two albums from blackbird blackbird yesterday so i'll probably miss those.
[21:27] <gamerchick02> but wow that's a great deal
[21:27] <gamerchick02> hrm...
[21:46] <mrgoodcat> i was all exceited about amazon prime music until i actually tried to listen to something on it
[21:46] <mrgoodcat> what a shit service
[21:47] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Yeah, as soon as I saw "only popular music" it instantly became dead to me.
[21:47] <cmaloney> Yay top 40 bullshit radio.
[21:47] <mrgoodcat> not even
[21:47] <mrgoodcat> eminem is conspicuously missing
[21:47] <mrgoodcat> it's not even top 40
[21:48] <cmaloney> it's what I lovingly refer to as "Secretary rock"
[21:48] <mrgoodcat> it's like 30/40
[21:48] <mrgoodcat> and not even the "top"
[21:48] <mrgoodcat> woof
[21:48] <cmaloney> That drivel that only administrative assistats listen to on their crappy clock radios at work.
[21:48] <cmaloney> WNIC / WMGC.
[21:48] <mrgoodcat> lol
[21:49] <mrgoodcat> 95.5 the douche
[21:49] <cmaloney> "background noise" or more appropriately "music to make me stabby"
[21:50] <mrgoodcat> taking requests at 1-800-IMA-DCHE
[22:53] <gamerchick02> ew