| kbmonkey | morning | 06:13 |
|---|---|---|
| bduk | Morning everyone and kbmonkey | 06:16 |
| kbmonkey | Maaz, coffee on | 06:16 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 06:16 | |
| kbmonkey | Maaz, thanks! | 06:16 |
| Maaz | kbmonkey: Okay :-) | 06:16 |
| kbmonkey | get your coffee while it is hot bduk | 06:16 |
| bduk | No to late for coffee kbmonkey | 06:17 |
| kbmonkey | he he | 06:17 |
| bduk | Mostly drink coffee early in the morning . how's apie today? | 06:18 |
| kbmonkey | I discovered something interesting last night about ext files systems | 06:19 |
| bduk | By the way don't think Maaz knows how to make moer coffee | 06:19 |
| kbmonkey | filesystems* | 06:19 |
| bduk | Don't they work on linux | 06:20 |
| kbmonkey | anytime is coffee time (in the right universe and context) | 06:20 |
| kbmonkey | they do, and if you mv a file it even keeps the inode! | 06:20 |
| kbmonkey | how amazing is that | 06:20 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for kbmonkey! | 06:20 |
| mazal | Morning kbmonkey | 06:21 |
| bduk | Oeps head is somewhere else. Thinking bout exe extentions | 06:21 |
| bduk | What's the inode kbmonkey | 06:22 |
| kbmonkey | it is a number that points to a file, bduk. | 06:22 |
| kbmonkey | so I moved my irc log file, while my irc client was running, and it kept logging to the same file, even though it was renamed. | 06:23 |
| kbmonkey | I thought I could archive the log and it would start a new one. | 06:23 |
| bduk | Ok that sounds interesting | 06:23 |
| kbmonkey | it was a surprise. anyway I just ran gzip on the log to archive it instead. | 06:24 |
| nuvolari | o/ oh hi | 06:24 |
| kbmonkey | hi nuvolari ! | 06:24 |
| nuvolari | hi kbapie, gaan dit goed? | 06:24 |
| mazal | Môre nuvolari | 06:24 |
| kbmonkey | `ls -i` shows your file inodes, for interests sake | 06:24 |
| bduk | Morning nuvolari | 06:24 |
| nuvolari | hi mazal, bduk | 06:25 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: heh, had to find out the hard way yesterday that inodes are of importance as well | 06:25 |
| nuvolari | lots of disk space left, ran out of inodes | 06:25 |
| kbmonkey | ja nuvolari die reen het gestop maar ons vries nog. ons durbanites is nie meer gewoond aand koud nie! | 06:25 |
| nuvolari | :O waar is jy dan kbmonkey? | 06:26 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | mornings | 06:26 |
| nuvolari | ja nee, ek sal die weer van die noordkus mis :'( | 06:26 |
| nuvolari | oh hi ThatGraemeGuy | 06:26 |
| mazal | Hey ThatGraemeGuy | 06:26 |
| kbmonkey | ran out of inodes? wat. | 06:26 |
| kbmonkey | max files per directory limit? | 06:27 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | many many many small files | 06:27 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: we coded around the max files per directory issue... then ran into the inodes issue yesterday | 06:27 |
| * mazal listen up , needs too know about this , seems important :P | 06:27 | |
| ThatGraemeGuy | or tons of directories yea | 06:27 |
| bduk | Hi ThatGraemeGuy . kbmonkey i miss northcoast's weather for a lomg time already | 06:27 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy bduk kbmonkey | 06:28 |
| nuvolari | note: if you have lots of directories, *don't* make your sha1-hash-groups 5 levels deep :P they waste inodes with empty directories | 06:28 |
| nuvolari | hi oom Kilos | 06:28 |
| Kilos | hi nuvolari | 06:28 |
| kbmonkey | hi Kilos | 06:28 |
| bduk | More Kilos | 06:28 |
| * Kilos vrek van die koue | 06:28 | |
| mazal | Môre oom | 06:28 |
| Kilos | hi mazal | 06:28 |
| * mazal have no idea what nuvolari is speaking about | 06:29 | |
| kbmonkey | oh really nuvolari ? ha ha, whoops our project has a guid-group of 16 deep I think. but it is not ext (so will probably break even sooner) | 06:29 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | might be xfs | 06:30 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | so won't break | 06:30 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ;-) | 06:30 |
| kbmonkey | bduk, so now you are inland? | 06:30 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | mazal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inode | 06:30 |
| kbmonkey | I bet you got used to the cold now... | 06:30 |
| nuvolari | kbmonkey: having ext4, before we had ext3 | 06:31 |
| kbmonkey | I will get beat up on if I say what we use ;) | 06:31 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | MurderFS? :-p | 06:31 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | lemme guess, NTFS | 06:32 |
| kbmonkey | ThatGraemeGuy, isn't that spelled btrfs? ;) | 06:32 |
| kbmonkey | ha ha yes you got it ThatGraemeGuy | 06:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | no its spelled ReiserFS | 06:32 |
| kbmonkey | I have to drive to work now traffic is probably good to go | 06:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | NTFS is pretty full-featured as filesystems go | 06:32 |
| kbmonkey | the one thing nt4 got right | 06:33 |
| kbmonkey | except for it's fragmentation | 06:33 |
| * kbmonkey bets that is a word any *nix user has not heard for a looong time | 06:33 | |
| bduk | Yes kbmonkey Gateng Cullinan close to Pretoria | 06:34 |
| bduk | But the sharks are still my team | 06:41 |
| Kilos | yay | 06:41 |
| Kilos | ok clever peeps. i have a storage partition at the end of this drive with unity on, but it shows as root being the owner. what is the best safest way to gain permissions on it | 06:42 |
| Kilos | i cant even run a backup to it. grrr | 06:43 |
| Kilos | unity can be so troublesome | 06:44 |
| mazal | Oom is this a partition , or external drive ? | 07:07 |
| Kilos | its a partition on the same drive mazal | 07:08 |
| mazal | I think the root ownership is because it contains a linux os on it | 07:08 |
| Kilos | /storage | 07:08 |
| mazal | So it's mounted in /media/kilos/storage ? | 07:08 |
| Kilos | i think its just /storage | 07:10 |
| mazal | Ok , easiets way to get full permissions is with chmod | 07:10 |
| Kilos | if i go to computer then it shows in there as storage | 07:10 |
| mazal | BUT BE VERY CAREFUL not to go and edit or changed the files or folders in there as there is an OS installed on it | 07:11 |
| mazal | First confirm where it is mounted | 07:11 |
| Kilos | its empty | 07:11 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: what filesystem is it? | 07:11 |
| Kilos | ext4 | 07:11 |
| Kilos | i use ext4 for everything | 07:11 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | sudo chown -R kilos.kilos /storage | 07:11 |
| mazal | Check /media/kilos for the folder storage | 07:11 |
| mazal | It's should be in media | 07:12 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yeah | 07:12 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ignore me | 07:12 |
| mazal | Then either that command Greame gave | 07:12 |
| mazal | Or if you want full rights for any user use chmod 777 | 07:12 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | no rather ignore me, something seems off in that situation | 07:12 |
| Kilos | i see /media/miles/ and a folder with a long number | 07:12 |
| mazal | ish | 07:13 |
| mazal | cd / | 07:13 |
| mazal | find -name 'STORAGE' | 07:13 |
| mazal | That will show where it is | 07:13 |
| Kilos | lemme see | 07:13 |
| mazal | replace 'STORAGE' with the correct capitals etc | 07:14 |
| Kilos | i dont use caps | 07:15 |
| mazal | then it will be | 07:15 |
| mazal | find -name 'storage' | 07:15 |
| mazal | But run that in root folder. | 07:16 |
| mazal | cd / first | 07:16 |
| Kilos | http://slexy.org/view/s2htuOw4nj | 07:20 |
| Kilos | its a partition /storage not a filename isnt it | 07:20 |
| mazal | Ya but it will be mounted as a folder | 07:21 |
| mazal | add sudo in front of the find command | 07:21 |
| inetpro | ./storage | 07:21 |
| inetpro | df -k ./storage | 07:22 |
| inetpro | good morning | 07:22 |
| mazal | Morning inetpro | 07:22 |
| Kilos | hi inetpro | 07:22 |
| inetpro | that df command should show you where it is mounted | 07:23 |
| Kilos | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on | 07:23 |
| inetpro | and? | 07:24 |
| Kilos | ai! | 07:24 |
| Kilos | /dev/sda1 38355604 6437272 29946928 18% / | 07:24 |
| Kilos | thats all i see | 07:24 |
| inetpro | ok so it is in the root | 07:24 |
| Kilos | but the partition shows in the launcher | 07:24 |
| inetpro | partition? | 07:24 |
| Kilos | ya root wont let me backup to it | 07:24 |
| inetpro | that is just a folder in the root partition | 07:25 |
| inetpro | probably with root as the owner | 07:25 |
| inetpro | nothing to do with unity | 07:26 |
| Kilos | it shows as 50 GB VOLUME | 07:26 |
| Kilos | but if i go to computer where it show usr and them it shows as /storage | 07:27 |
| Kilos | or just storage | 07:27 |
| inetpro | 12/06 09:11:47 <ThatGraemeGuy> sudo chown -R kilos.kilos /storage | 07:28 |
| Kilos | is that miles.miles or miles:miles | 07:30 |
| Kilos | i remember using chown -R once before and making big work , remember inetpro | 07:31 |
| Kilos | haha | 07:31 |
| inetpro | man chown | 07:31 |
| Kilos | it still shows as a root folder | 07:31 |
| mazal | But you should have rights to it now | 07:32 |
| Kilos | nope if i go properties in computer on storage it shows owned by root | 07:33 |
| mazal | sudo chmod 777 /storage | 07:33 |
| mazal | Check if that work ? | 07:33 |
| inetpro | mazal: NO!!!! | 07:33 |
| mazal | Why ? | 07:33 |
| inetpro | never do that! | 07:33 |
| mazal | Why not ? | 07:34 |
| Kilos | still shows as owned by root | 07:34 |
| Kilos | sigh | 07:34 |
| inetpro | so,e of the worst advise I see very often online | 07:34 |
| inetpro | some as well | 07:34 |
| mazal | Is just storage and he is the only user on the pc as far as I know , so why not ? | 07:34 |
| inetpro | people need to to learn to understand file permissions, it is not rocket science | 07:35 |
| * inetpro goes back to do some work | 07:36 | |
| mazal | Kilos did you get error after running the chown command ? | 07:36 |
| charl_ | good morning | 07:36 |
| charl_ | Maaz: coffee on | 07:36 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 07:36 | |
| charl_ | hi Kilos, inetpro, mazal | 07:37 |
| mazal | Morning charl_ | 07:37 |
| Kilos | wiat | 07:37 |
| Kilos | lemme try again im still in cd / mode | 07:38 |
| Kilos | hi charl_ | 07:38 |
| mazal | If chown returns error paste it for us | 07:38 |
| mazal | also , after you did the chown command do ls -l and paste result please | 07:39 |
| Kilos | http://slexy.org/view/s20KEM11kT | 07:40 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl_! | 07:40 |
| mazal | Kilos, you are in wrong folder | 07:41 |
| mazal | You are in your home folder | 07:41 |
| mazal | cd / | 07:41 |
| mazal | then ls -l | 07:41 |
| Kilos | ok | 07:42 |
| Kilos | http://slexy.org/view/s20glCI6lb | 07:43 |
| Kilos | i hate this permissions thing at times | 07:43 |
| mazal | drwxrwxrwx 3 miles miles 4096 Jun 11 21:07 storage | 07:43 |
| Kilos | chown works kiff to an external | 07:43 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ls -l /storage/ | 07:43 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ls -la /storage/ | 07:44 |
| mazal | That shows you have permissions to that folder | 07:44 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | sorry | 07:44 |
| mazal | So you did the chown right | 07:44 |
| mazal | You SHOULD be able to write to it | 07:44 |
| Kilos | lemme try ty | 07:45 |
| Kilos | yay deja-dup is running, ty guys | 07:47 |
| mazal | Look at that line I pasted oom | 07:47 |
| mazal | You see all those rwx stuff ? You know what that means | 07:48 |
| Kilos | ya read write execute | 07:48 |
| mazal | K , now that shows that you , your group and other users have that rights | 07:48 |
| mazal | You can go and limit the others if you want | 07:49 |
| Kilos | lekker dankie man | 07:49 |
| mazal | You can remove the rw and even x as well for others | 07:49 |
| Kilos | it still shows as owned by root if i properties storage in computer | 07:49 |
| mazal | Only change then is that another user on your pc won't access it | 07:50 |
| mazal | In Nautilus ? | 07:50 |
| Kilos | i dunno in what man | 07:51 |
| mazal | When you talk about properties in computer , you talking about when you check the properties in nautilus ? | 07:52 |
| Kilos | if i tick the files thing that used to be home then computer i see usr and var and them | 07:52 |
| Kilos | storage is there too | 07:52 |
| mazal | Ah ok , and right click properties on that gives root owner ? | 07:52 |
| Kilos | when i right click properties on storage | 07:52 |
| Kilos | ya permissions still show as roo | 07:53 |
| Kilos | root but backup done so np | 07:53 |
| Kilos | ty | 07:53 |
| mazal | That's strange , maybe nautilus don't see the changed permissions | 07:54 |
| mazal | Dunno why | 07:54 |
| mazal | Check it out after a reboot if nautilus sees it right | 07:54 |
| Kilos | will do | 07:55 |
| inetpro | recommended reading: | 07:55 |
| inetpro | How do file permissions work? http://askubuntu.com/questions/83/how-do-file-permissions-work | 07:55 |
| inetpro | Why shouldn't /var/www have chmod 777 http://askubuntu.com/questions/20105/why-shouldnt-var-www-have-chmod-777/20110#20110 | 07:55 |
| inetpro | makes me want to respond with "sorry that is bad practice and I refuse to answer this" and run away when I see chmod 777 | 07:57 |
| Kilos | haha inetpro you are here to advise others not run away | 07:58 |
| Kilos | we survive on your experience | 07:58 |
| mazal | Kilos, there's another gui way to see where partitons are mounted also if you wonna know | 08:05 |
| mazal | Might come in handy when you looking for one again | 08:06 |
| Kilos | yes please | 08:12 |
| Kilos | if i remember it | 08:12 |
| Kilos | too cold to stress with stuff like this | 08:13 |
| Kilos | ty ThatGraemeGuy ls -l /storage/ | 08:14 |
| Kilos | showed everything in storage | 08:14 |
| mazal | This is for a unity install : | 08:15 |
| mazal | Open the applications disks | 08:15 |
| mazal | On the left , left click once on the drive in question | 08:15 |
| mazal | On the right it shows the partitions then. Left click once on the partition in question | 08:16 |
| mazal | It now opens below it some info , including an entry " mounted at " | 08:16 |
| Kilos | ty | 08:18 |
| Kilos | sjoe mounted at funny place | 08:19 |
| Kilos | Mounted at /media/miles/29ebfa3f-3304-4370-a82e-28c40d1ca62a | 08:20 |
| mazal | I usually only see that on Win partitions without a label | 08:23 |
| mazal | And roots of other linux installs on same drive | 08:25 |
| Kilos | im sure it should show as /media/storage | 08:27 |
| mazal | Can you do a command mount and paste for me | 08:28 |
| Kilos | dunno what went wrong with this install | 08:28 |
| mazal | Just for curiousity sake | 08:28 |
| mazal | Sounds like strange mounts there | 08:28 |
| mazal | Just the command mount , nothing else | 08:28 |
| Kilos | it shows as mounted in the launcher | 08:28 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | there's nothing wrong with the path it mounted to | 08:29 |
| mazal | The weird one for me is the /storage one in root. That only happens if specified to do so | 08:29 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | correct | 08:30 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | the auto mounter uses /media/username/bla | 08:30 |
| Kilos | mount: can't find /media/miles/29ebfa3f-3304-4370-a82e-28c40d1ca62a in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab | 08:30 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | just type mount on its own | 08:31 |
| Kilos | when i do a fresh install i make a storage partition | 08:31 |
| Kilos | o mount at /storage | 08:31 |
| mazal | Ah ok , that explains it | 08:31 |
| Kilos | i dont normally see funny numbers like this | 08:32 |
| mazal | Is that one line with the error all that mount outputs ? | 08:33 |
| Kilos | ya | 08:33 |
| Kilos | lets not worry about it anymore. it accepted a backup so all good | 08:34 |
| Kilos | if i have more probs ill reinstall | 08:34 |
| Kilos | hehe | 08:34 |
| mazal | I'm just curious hehe | 08:35 |
| mazal | sudo fdisk -l | 08:36 |
| Kilos | http://slexy.org/view/s2rPrjYOYq | 08:39 |
| Kilos | hi Private_User | 08:55 |
| mazal | I keep struggling with a rsync to fat32 thing that I can't figure out grrr | 09:22 |
| inetpro | mazal: How can I use rsync with a FAT file system? http://serverfault.com/questions/54949/how-can-i-use-rsync-with-a-fat-file-system | 09:29 |
| mazal | Will have to change to NTFS | 09:30 |
| mazal | This guy had exactly the same problem as me : http://dbaspot.com/shell/395052-rsync-always-copies-files-fat32-file-system-usb-drive.html | 09:31 |
| inetpro | mazal: see also http://rsync.samba.org/FAQ.html#2 | 10:03 |
| mazal | inetpro, I think I'm gonna solve this annoying little problem by getting a seperate stick for my backups and making it ext4 | 10:06 |
| mazal | Currently this stick is multi-use , that's why it must be fat32. | 10:06 |
| mazal | Just gonna get a seperate one for backups only | 10:06 |
| inetpro | nou praat ons! | 10:12 |
| inetpro | camera and other manufacturers should start using oss file systems already | 10:13 |
| mazal | This stick is my ubuntu boot disk also | 10:13 |
| mazal | But also must do functions on a Win pc as well :( | 10:14 |
| mazal | Bye everyone , enjoy your weekend | 10:29 |
| mobilemonkey | Hello | 11:53 |
| Kilos | ohi mobilemonkey | 11:58 |
| bduk | To many monkeys around here today | 12:16 |
| Kilos | haha | 12:17 |
| bduk | Ons soek nog net die apie op n stokkie | 12:17 |
| bduk | where's the world cup? | 12:22 |
| Kilos | brazil | 12:23 |
| bduk | Wonder wat gaan hulle kry na die wc. Ons het net etol gekry | 12:29 |
| theblazehen | Hi | 12:44 |
| theblazehen | Weechat looks strange from putty on a windows box... | 12:44 |
| charl_ | good afternoon | 12:52 |
| charl_ | weechat always reminds me of weeaboo | 12:52 |
| charl_ | talking about weeaboo, i'm planning on going to animecon tomorrow in the hague | 12:53 |
| mobilemonkey | theblazehen: irssi also looks funny in putty ;-) | 13:11 |
| mobilemonkey | Animecon? So jealous! | 13:12 |
| mobilemonkey | Having a hard time rooting this s3 | 13:12 |
| Kilos | dont go rushing down the deep guys, im stealing ladders in the first 390 | 13:23 |
| Kilos | worked a better scheme. put hammer on space bar and go bath while ascending | 13:23 |
| mobilemonkey | Kilos that is genius | 14:24 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 14:24 |
| Kilos | they say lazy peeps always find shortcuts or easy way out | 14:25 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: are you making it one long ladder, instead of separate segments? | 14:43 |
| Kilos | yip ThatGraemeGuy its done | 14:43 |
| Kilos | one long drop now | 14:43 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | oh cool | 14:44 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | nice work | 14:44 |
| Kilos | finger gets tired holding shift or space | 14:44 |
| Kilos | lol came up under my carts rails though | 14:45 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | oopsie | 14:45 |
| Kilos | lol had to mod a bit there too but its all fixed now | 14:46 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | good stuff | 14:47 |
| Kilos | ill find the rails down at 2500 some time | 14:47 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you dropped them? | 14:47 |
| Kilos | yeah inventory was full | 14:47 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you haven't crafted bags yet? | 14:47 |
| Kilos | so they go splat some rats down there | 14:48 |
| Kilos | nope | 14:48 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | :-o | 14:48 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | better get on that, they are super useful | 14:48 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | 4 large bags holds a bit more than 3x your inventory | 14:48 |
| Kilos | ill have a look at that | 14:48 |
| Kilos | oh then you put bags in inventory? | 14:49 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | if you press 'I', there's a little bag icon on the bottom row | 14:49 |
| Kilos | aha | 14:49 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you click that and you see a page with bag 1, 2, 3 and 4 | 14:50 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you drop a bag on the square above the button, then you click the button to access the bag contents | 14:50 |
| Kilos | whew | 14:50 |
| Kilos | lemme first find whats needed to make bags | 14:51 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | it's in the craft guide thingy | 14:52 |
| theblazehen | mobilemonkey: tried framaroot? | 15:00 |
| theblazehen | friend rooted with that | 15:00 |
| Kilos | haha need medium bag to make large bag and small bags to make medium bag | 15:01 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yes | 15:01 |
| Kilos | haha | 15:01 |
| mobilemonkey | Frama was the first o e i tried | 15:01 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | so 4 small bags to make a large i think | 15:01 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | but no point messing with the small ones they hold way less | 15:01 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | just go straight to large | 15:02 |
| Kilos | ill get there | 15:02 |
| Kilos | will do | 15:02 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | and stuff you keep in bags survives your death, so i always keep some strong tools in there so i don't have to struggle along to get back to my bones | 15:02 |
| Kilos | rofl | 15:02 |
| Kilos | i havent died for a long time now | 15:03 |
| Kilos | eat too much rat stew | 15:03 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i tend to play around lava too much ;-) | 15:05 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | rat stew doesn't help much | 15:05 |
| Kilos | haha | 15:05 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ok bbl | 15:08 |
| Kilos | mobilemonkey, so how do you put stuff in them bags | 15:50 |
| mobilemonkey | Kilos you make some bags. Then click the bags panel icon and drag the bag to the empty slots. Click them buttons to open the bag. | 15:56 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 15:56 |
| mobilemonkey | It sounds more complicated when i say it | 15:57 |
| Kilos | ah got it ty | 16:00 |
| Kilos | one large bag disappeared somewhere | 16:00 |
| Kilos | hi Private_User whats happening | 16:19 |
| Kilos | what you fixed and what you broke? | 16:20 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight and warm. im too cold to sit here | 17:42 |
| theblazehen | fscking ethics... | 17:46 |
| Private_User | evening people | 21:06 |
| Private_User | so who's watching the opening Fifa World Cup match | 21:06 |
| Private_User | Brazil 3-1 Croatia | 21:58 |
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