[06:13] <kbmonkey> morning
[06:16] <bduk> Morning everyone and kbmonkey 
[06:16] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[06:16]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[06:16] <kbmonkey> Maaz, thanks!
[06:16] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Okay :-)
[06:16] <kbmonkey> get your coffee while it is hot bduk 
[06:17] <bduk> No to late for coffee kbmonkey 
[06:17] <kbmonkey> he he
[06:18] <bduk> Mostly drink coffee early in the morning . how's apie today?
[06:19] <kbmonkey> I discovered something interesting last night about ext files systems
[06:19] <bduk> By the way don't think Maaz knows how to make moer coffee
[06:19] <kbmonkey> filesystems*
[06:20] <bduk> Don't they work on linux
[06:20] <kbmonkey> anytime is coffee time (in the right universe and context)
[06:20] <kbmonkey> they do, and if you mv a file it even keeps the inode!
[06:20] <kbmonkey> how amazing is that
[06:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey!
[06:21] <mazal> Morning kbmonkey 
[06:21] <bduk> Oeps head is somewhere else. Thinking bout exe extentions
[06:22] <bduk> What's the inode kbmonkey 
[06:22] <kbmonkey> it is a number that points to a file, bduk.
[06:23] <kbmonkey> so I moved my irc log file, while my irc client was running, and it kept logging to the same file, even though it was renamed.
[06:23] <kbmonkey> I thought I could archive the log and it would start a new one.
[06:23] <bduk> Ok that sounds interesting
[06:24] <kbmonkey> it was a surprise. anyway I just ran gzip on the log to archive it instead.
[06:24] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[06:24] <kbmonkey> hi nuvolari !
[06:24] <nuvolari> hi kbapie, gaan dit goed?
[06:24] <mazal> Môre nuvolari 
[06:24] <kbmonkey> `ls -i` shows your file inodes, for interests sake
[06:24] <bduk> Morning nuvolari 
[06:25] <nuvolari> hi mazal, bduk 
[06:25] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: heh, had to find out the hard way yesterday that inodes are of importance as well
[06:25] <nuvolari> lots of disk space left, ran out of inodes
[06:25] <kbmonkey> ja nuvolari die reen het gestop maar ons vries nog. ons durbanites is nie meer gewoond aand koud nie!
[06:26] <nuvolari> :O waar is jy dan kbmonkey?
[06:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:26] <nuvolari> ja nee, ek sal die weer van die noordkus mis :'(
[06:26] <nuvolari> oh hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:26] <mazal> Hey ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:26] <kbmonkey> ran out of inodes? wat. 
[06:27] <kbmonkey> max files per directory limit?
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> many many many small files
[06:27] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: we coded around the max files per directory issue... then ran into the inodes issue yesterday
[06:27]  * mazal listen up , needs too know about this , seems important :P
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> or tons of directories yea
[06:27] <bduk> Hi ThatGraemeGuy . kbmonkey  i miss northcoast's weather for a lomg time already
[06:28] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy bduk kbmonkey 
[06:28] <nuvolari> note: if you have lots of directories, *don't* make your sha1-hash-groups 5 levels deep :P they waste inodes with empty directories
[06:28] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[06:28] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[06:28] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos 
[06:28] <bduk> More Kilos 
[06:28]  * Kilos vrek van die koue
[06:28] <mazal> Môre oom
[06:28] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:29]  * mazal have no idea what nuvolari is speaking about
[06:29] <kbmonkey> oh really nuvolari ? ha ha, whoops our project has a guid-group of 16 deep I think. but it is not ext (so will probably break even sooner)
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> might be xfs
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> so won't break
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> ;-)
[06:30] <kbmonkey> bduk, so now you are inland? 
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inode
[06:30] <kbmonkey> I bet you got used to the cold now...
[06:31] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: having ext4, before we had ext3
[06:31] <kbmonkey> I will get beat up on if I say what we use ;)
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> MurderFS? :-p
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> lemme guess, NTFS
[06:32] <kbmonkey> ThatGraemeGuy, isn't that spelled btrfs? ;)
[06:32] <kbmonkey> ha ha yes you got it ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> no its spelled ReiserFS
[06:32] <kbmonkey> I have to drive to work now traffic is probably good to go
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> NTFS is pretty full-featured as filesystems go
[06:33] <kbmonkey> the one thing nt4 got right
[06:33] <kbmonkey> except for it's fragmentation
[06:33]  * kbmonkey bets that is a word any *nix user has not heard for a looong time
[06:34] <bduk> Yes kbmonkey Gateng Cullinan close to Pretoria
[06:41] <bduk> But the sharks are still my team
[06:41] <Kilos> yay
[06:42] <Kilos> ok clever peeps. i have a storage partition at the end of this drive with unity on, but it shows as root being the owner. what is the best safest way to gain permissions on it
[06:43] <Kilos> i cant even run a backup to it. grrr
[06:44] <Kilos> unity can be so troublesome
[07:07] <mazal> Oom is this a partition , or external drive ?
[07:08] <Kilos> its a partition on the same drive mazal 
[07:08] <mazal> I think the root ownership is because it contains a linux os on it
[07:08] <Kilos>   /storage
[07:08] <mazal> So it's mounted in /media/kilos/storage ?
[07:10] <Kilos> i think its just /storage
[07:10] <mazal> Ok , easiets way to get full permissions is with chmod
[07:10] <Kilos> if i go to computer then it shows in there as storage
[07:11] <mazal> BUT BE VERY CAREFUL not to go and edit or changed the files or folders in there as there is an OS installed on it
[07:11] <mazal> First confirm where it is mounted
[07:11] <Kilos> its empty
[07:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: what filesystem is it?
[07:11] <Kilos> ext4
[07:11] <Kilos> i use ext4 for everything
[07:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> sudo chown -R kilos.kilos /storage
[07:11] <mazal> Check /media/kilos for the folder storage
[07:12] <mazal> It's should be in media
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> ignore me
[07:12] <mazal> Then either that command Greame gave
[07:12] <mazal> Or if you want full rights for any user use chmod 777
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> no rather ignore me, something seems off in that situation
[07:12] <Kilos> i see /media/miles/ and a folder with a long number
[07:13] <mazal> ish
[07:13] <mazal> cd /
[07:13] <mazal> find -name 'STORAGE'
[07:13] <mazal> That will show where it is
[07:13] <Kilos> lemme see
[07:14] <mazal> replace 'STORAGE' with the correct capitals etc
[07:15] <Kilos> i dont use caps
[07:15] <mazal> then it will be
[07:15] <mazal> find -name 'storage'
[07:16] <mazal> But run that in root folder.
[07:16] <mazal> cd / first
[07:20] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2htuOw4nj
[07:20] <Kilos> its a partition /storage not a filename isnt it
[07:21] <mazal> Ya but it will be mounted as a folder
[07:21] <mazal> add sudo in front of the find command
[07:21] <inetpro> ./storage
[07:22] <inetpro> df -k ./storage
[07:22] <inetpro> good morning
[07:22] <mazal> Morning inetpro 
[07:22] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[07:23] <inetpro> that df command should show you where it is mounted 
[07:23] <Kilos> Filesystem     1K-blocks    Used Available Use% Mounted on
[07:24] <inetpro> and?
[07:24] <Kilos> ai!
[07:24] <Kilos>   /dev/sda1       38355604 6437272  29946928  18% /
[07:24] <Kilos> thats all i see
[07:24] <inetpro> ok so it is in the root
[07:24] <Kilos> but the partition shows in the launcher
[07:24] <inetpro> partition?
[07:24] <Kilos> ya root wont let me backup to it
[07:25] <inetpro> that is just a folder in the root partition
[07:25] <inetpro> probably with root as the owner
[07:26] <inetpro> nothing to do with unity
[07:26] <Kilos> it shows as 50 GB VOLUME
[07:27] <Kilos> but if i go to computer where it show usr and them it shows as /storage
[07:27] <Kilos> or just storage
[07:28] <inetpro> 12/06 09:11:47 <ThatGraemeGuy> sudo chown -R kilos.kilos /storage
[07:30] <Kilos> is that miles.miles or miles:miles
[07:31] <Kilos> i remember using chown -R once before and making big work , remember inetpro 
[07:31] <Kilos> haha
[07:31] <inetpro> man chown
[07:31] <Kilos> it still shows as a root folder
[07:32] <mazal> But you should have rights to it now
[07:33] <Kilos> nope if i go properties in computer on storage it shows owned by root
[07:33] <mazal> sudo chmod 777 /storage
[07:33] <mazal> Check if that work ?
[07:33] <inetpro> mazal: NO!!!!
[07:33] <mazal> Why ?
[07:33] <inetpro> never do that!
[07:34] <mazal> Why not ?
[07:34] <Kilos> still shows as owned by root
[07:34] <Kilos> sigh
[07:34] <inetpro> so,e of the worst advise I see very often online
[07:34] <inetpro> some as well
[07:34] <mazal> Is just storage and he is the only user on the pc as far as I know , so why not ?
[07:35] <inetpro> people need to to learn to understand file permissions, it is not rocket science
[07:36]  * inetpro goes back to do some work
[07:36] <mazal> Kilos did you get error after running the chown command ?
[07:36] <charl_> good morning
[07:36] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:36]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:37] <charl_> hi Kilos, inetpro, mazal 
[07:37] <mazal> Morning charl_ 
[07:37] <Kilos> wiat 
[07:38] <Kilos> lemme try again im still in cd / mode
[07:38] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[07:38] <mazal> If chown returns error paste it for us
[07:39] <mazal> also , after you did the chown command do ls -l and paste result please
[07:40] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20KEM11kT
[07:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[07:41] <mazal> Kilos, you are in wrong folder
[07:41] <mazal> You are in your home folder
[07:41] <mazal> cd /
[07:41] <mazal> then ls -l
[07:42] <Kilos> ok
[07:43] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20glCI6lb
[07:43] <Kilos> i hate this permissions thing at times
[07:43] <mazal> drwxrwxrwx   3 miles miles  4096 Jun 11 21:07 storage
[07:43] <Kilos> chown works kiff to an external
[07:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> ls -l /storage/
[07:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> ls -la /storage/
[07:44] <mazal> That shows you have permissions to that folder
[07:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry
[07:44] <mazal> So you did the chown right
[07:44] <mazal> You SHOULD be able to write to it
[07:45] <Kilos> lemme try ty
[07:47] <Kilos> yay deja-dup is running, ty guys
[07:47] <mazal> Look at that line I pasted oom
[07:48] <mazal> You see all those rwx stuff ? You know what that means
[07:48] <Kilos> ya read write execute
[07:48] <mazal> K , now that shows that you , your group and other users have that rights
[07:49] <mazal> You can go and limit the others if you want
[07:49] <Kilos> lekker dankie man
[07:49] <mazal> You can remove the rw and even x as well for others
[07:49] <Kilos> it still shows as owned by root if i properties storage in computer
[07:50] <mazal> Only change then is that another user on your pc won't access it
[07:50] <mazal> In Nautilus ?
[07:51] <Kilos> i dunno in what man
[07:52] <mazal> When you talk about properties in computer , you talking about when you check the properties in nautilus ?
[07:52] <Kilos> if i tick the files thing that used to be home then computer i see usr and var and them
[07:52] <Kilos> storage is there too
[07:52] <mazal> Ah ok , and right click properties on that gives root owner ?
[07:52] <Kilos> when i right click properties on storage
[07:53] <Kilos> ya permissions still show as roo
[07:53] <Kilos> root but backup done so np
[07:53] <Kilos> ty
[07:54] <mazal> That's strange , maybe nautilus don't see the changed permissions
[07:54] <mazal> Dunno why
[07:54] <mazal> Check it out after a reboot if nautilus sees it right
[07:55] <Kilos> will do
[07:55] <inetpro> recommended reading:
[07:55] <inetpro> How do file permissions work? http://askubuntu.com/questions/83/how-do-file-permissions-work
[07:55] <inetpro> Why shouldn't /var/www have chmod 777 http://askubuntu.com/questions/20105/why-shouldnt-var-www-have-chmod-777/20110#20110
[07:57] <inetpro> makes me want to respond with "sorry that is bad practice and I refuse to answer this" and run away when I see chmod 777
[07:58] <Kilos> haha inetpro you are here to advise others not run away
[07:58] <Kilos> we survive on your experience
[08:05] <mazal> Kilos, there's another gui way to see where partitons are mounted also if you wonna know
[08:06] <mazal> Might come in handy when you looking for one again
[08:12] <Kilos> yes please
[08:12] <Kilos> if i remember it
[08:13] <Kilos> too cold to stress with stuff like this
[08:14] <Kilos> ty ThatGraemeGuy ls -l /storage/
[08:14] <Kilos>  showed everything in storage
[08:15] <mazal> This is for a unity install :
[08:15] <mazal> Open the applications disks
[08:15] <mazal> On the left  , left click once on the drive in question
[08:16] <mazal> On the right it shows the partitions then. Left click once on the partition in question
[08:16] <mazal> It now opens below it some info , including an entry " mounted at "
[08:18] <Kilos> ty
[08:19] <Kilos> sjoe mounted at funny place
[08:20] <Kilos>  Mounted at /media/miles/29ebfa3f-3304-4370-a82e-28c40d1ca62a
[08:23] <mazal> I usually only see that on Win partitions without a label
[08:25] <mazal> And roots of other linux installs on same drive
[08:27] <Kilos> im sure it should show as /media/storage
[08:28] <mazal> Can you do a command mount and paste for me
[08:28] <Kilos> dunno what went wrong with this install
[08:28] <mazal> Just for curiousity sake
[08:28] <mazal> Sounds like strange mounts there
[08:28] <mazal> Just the command mount , nothing else
[08:28] <Kilos> it shows as mounted in the launcher
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's nothing wrong with the path it mounted to
[08:29] <mazal> The weird one for me is the /storage one in root. That only happens if specified to do so
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> correct
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> the auto mounter uses /media/username/bla
[08:30] <Kilos> mount: can't find /media/miles/29ebfa3f-3304-4370-a82e-28c40d1ca62a in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> just type mount on its own
[08:31] <Kilos> when i do a fresh install i make a storage partition
[08:31] <Kilos> o mount at /storage
[08:31] <mazal> Ah ok , that explains it
[08:32] <Kilos> i dont normally see funny numbers like this
[08:33] <mazal> Is that one line with the error all that mount outputs ?
[08:33] <Kilos> ya
[08:34] <Kilos> lets not worry about it anymore. it accepted a backup so all good
[08:34] <Kilos> if i have more probs ill reinstall
[08:34] <Kilos> hehe
[08:35] <mazal> I'm just curious hehe
[08:36] <mazal> sudo fdisk -l
[08:39] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2rPrjYOYq
[08:55] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[09:22] <mazal> I keep struggling with a rsync to fat32 thing that I can't figure out grrr
[09:29] <inetpro> mazal: How can I use rsync with a FAT file system? http://serverfault.com/questions/54949/how-can-i-use-rsync-with-a-fat-file-system
[09:30] <mazal> Will have to change to NTFS
[09:31] <mazal> This guy had exactly the same problem as me : http://dbaspot.com/shell/395052-rsync-always-copies-files-fat32-file-system-usb-drive.html
[10:03] <inetpro> mazal: see also http://rsync.samba.org/FAQ.html#2
[10:06] <mazal> inetpro, I think I'm gonna solve this annoying little problem by getting a seperate stick for my backups and making it ext4
[10:06] <mazal> Currently this stick is multi-use , that's why it must be fat32.
[10:06] <mazal> Just gonna get a seperate one for backups only
[10:12] <inetpro> nou praat ons!
[10:13] <inetpro> camera and other manufacturers should start using oss file systems already
[10:13] <mazal> This stick is my ubuntu boot disk also
[10:14] <mazal> But also must do functions on a Win pc as well :(
[10:29] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your weekend
[11:53] <mobilemonkey> Hello
[11:58] <Kilos> ohi mobilemonkey 
[12:16] <bduk> To many monkeys around here today
[12:17] <Kilos> haha
[12:17] <bduk> Ons soek nog net die apie op n stokkie
[12:22] <bduk> where's the world cup?
[12:23] <Kilos> brazil
[12:29] <bduk> Wonder wat gaan hulle kry na die wc. Ons het net etol gekry
[12:44] <theblazehen> Hi
[12:44] <theblazehen> Weechat looks strange from putty on a windows box...
[12:52] <charl_> good afternoon
[12:52] <charl_> weechat always reminds me of weeaboo
[12:53] <charl_> talking about weeaboo, i'm planning on going to animecon tomorrow in the hague
[13:11] <mobilemonkey> theblazehen: irssi also looks funny in putty ;-)
[13:12] <mobilemonkey> Animecon? So jealous!
[13:12] <mobilemonkey> Having a hard time rooting this s3 
[13:23] <Kilos> dont go rushing down the deep guys, im stealing ladders in the first 390
[13:23] <Kilos> worked a better scheme. put hammer on space bar and go bath while ascending
[14:24] <mobilemonkey> Kilos that is genius
[14:24] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:25] <Kilos> they say lazy peeps always find shortcuts or easy way out
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: are you making it one long ladder, instead of separate segments?
[14:43] <Kilos> yip ThatGraemeGuy its done
[14:43] <Kilos> one long drop now
[14:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh cool
[14:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> nice work
[14:44] <Kilos> finger gets tired holding shift or space
[14:45] <Kilos> lol came up under my carts rails though
[14:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> oopsie
[14:46] <Kilos> lol had to mod a bit there too but its all fixed now
[14:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> good stuff
[14:47] <Kilos> ill find the rails down at 2500 some time
[14:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> you dropped them?
[14:47] <Kilos> yeah inventory was full
[14:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> you haven't crafted bags yet?
[14:48] <Kilos> so they go splat some rats down there
[14:48] <Kilos> nope
[14:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-o
[14:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> better get on that, they are super useful
[14:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> 4 large bags holds a bit more than 3x your inventory
[14:48] <Kilos> ill have a look at that
[14:49] <Kilos> oh then you put bags in inventory?
[14:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you press 'I', there's a little bag icon on the bottom row
[14:49] <Kilos> aha
[14:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> you click that and you see a page with bag 1, 2, 3 and 4
[14:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> you drop a bag on the square above the button, then you click the button to access the bag contents
[14:50] <Kilos> whew
[14:51] <Kilos> lemme first find whats needed to make bags
[14:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> it's in the craft guide thingy
[15:00] <theblazehen> mobilemonkey: tried framaroot?
[15:00] <theblazehen> friend rooted with that
[15:01] <Kilos> haha need medium bag to make large bag and small bags to make medium bag
[15:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[15:01] <Kilos> haha
[15:01] <mobilemonkey> Frama was the first o e i tried 
[15:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> so 4 small bags to make a large i think
[15:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> but no point messing with the small ones they hold way less
[15:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> just go straight to large
[15:02] <Kilos> ill get there
[15:02] <Kilos> will do
[15:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> and stuff you keep in bags survives your death, so i always keep some strong tools in there so i don't have to struggle along to get back to my bones
[15:02] <Kilos> rofl
[15:03] <Kilos> i havent died for a long time now
[15:03] <Kilos> eat too much rat stew
[15:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> i tend to play around lava too much ;-)
[15:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> rat stew doesn't help much
[15:05] <Kilos> haha
[15:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok bbl
[15:50] <Kilos> mobilemonkey, so how do you put stuff in them bags
[15:56] <mobilemonkey> Kilos you make some bags. Then click the bags panel icon and drag the bag to the empty slots. Click them buttons to open the bag.
[15:56] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:57] <mobilemonkey> It sounds more complicated when i say it
[16:00] <Kilos> ah got it ty
[16:00] <Kilos> one large bag disappeared  somewhere
[16:19] <Kilos> hi Private_User whats happening
[16:20] <Kilos> what you fixed and what you broke?
[17:42] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight and warm. im too cold to sit here
[17:46] <theblazehen> fscking ethics...
[21:06] <Private_User> evening people
[21:06] <Private_User> so who's watching the opening Fifa World Cup match
[21:58] <Private_User> Brazil 3-1 Croatia