[06:13] morning [06:16] Morning everyone and kbmonkey [06:16] Maaz, coffee on [06:16] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [06:16] Maaz, thanks! [06:16] kbmonkey: Okay :-) [06:16] get your coffee while it is hot bduk [06:17] No to late for coffee kbmonkey [06:17] he he [06:18] Mostly drink coffee early in the morning . how's apie today? [06:19] I discovered something interesting last night about ext files systems [06:19] By the way don't think Maaz knows how to make moer coffee [06:19] filesystems* [06:20] Don't they work on linux [06:20] anytime is coffee time (in the right universe and context) [06:20] they do, and if you mv a file it even keeps the inode! [06:20] how amazing is that [06:20] Coffee's ready for kbmonkey! [06:21] Morning kbmonkey [06:21] Oeps head is somewhere else. Thinking bout exe extentions [06:22] What's the inode kbmonkey [06:22] it is a number that points to a file, bduk. [06:23] so I moved my irc log file, while my irc client was running, and it kept logging to the same file, even though it was renamed. [06:23] I thought I could archive the log and it would start a new one. [06:23] Ok that sounds interesting [06:24] it was a surprise. anyway I just ran gzip on the log to archive it instead. [06:24] o/ oh hi [06:24] hi nuvolari ! [06:24] hi kbapie, gaan dit goed? [06:24] Môre nuvolari [06:24] `ls -i` shows your file inodes, for interests sake [06:24] Morning nuvolari [06:25] hi mazal, bduk [06:25] kbmonkey: heh, had to find out the hard way yesterday that inodes are of importance as well [06:25] lots of disk space left, ran out of inodes [06:25] ja nuvolari die reen het gestop maar ons vries nog. ons durbanites is nie meer gewoond aand koud nie! [06:26] :O waar is jy dan kbmonkey? [06:26] mornings [06:26] ja nee, ek sal die weer van die noordkus mis :'( [06:26] oh hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:26] Hey ThatGraemeGuy [06:26] ran out of inodes? wat. [06:27] max files per directory limit? [06:27] many many many small files [06:27] kbmonkey: we coded around the max files per directory issue... then ran into the inodes issue yesterday [06:27] * mazal listen up , needs too know about this , seems important :P [06:27] or tons of directories yea [06:27] Hi ThatGraemeGuy . kbmonkey i miss northcoast's weather for a lomg time already [06:28] hi ThatGraemeGuy bduk kbmonkey [06:28] note: if you have lots of directories, *don't* make your sha1-hash-groups 5 levels deep :P they waste inodes with empty directories [06:28] hi oom Kilos [06:28] hi nuvolari [06:28] hi Kilos [06:28] More Kilos [06:28] * Kilos vrek van die koue [06:28] Môre oom [06:28] hi mazal [06:29] * mazal have no idea what nuvolari is speaking about [06:29] oh really nuvolari ? ha ha, whoops our project has a guid-group of 16 deep I think. but it is not ext (so will probably break even sooner) [06:30] might be xfs [06:30] so won't break [06:30] ;-) [06:30] bduk, so now you are inland? [06:30] mazal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inode [06:30] I bet you got used to the cold now... [06:31] kbmonkey: having ext4, before we had ext3 [06:31] I will get beat up on if I say what we use ;) [06:31] MurderFS? :-p [06:32] lemme guess, NTFS [06:32] ThatGraemeGuy, isn't that spelled btrfs? ;) [06:32] ha ha yes you got it ThatGraemeGuy [06:32] no its spelled ReiserFS [06:32] I have to drive to work now traffic is probably good to go [06:32] NTFS is pretty full-featured as filesystems go [06:33] the one thing nt4 got right [06:33] except for it's fragmentation [06:33] * kbmonkey bets that is a word any *nix user has not heard for a looong time [06:34] Yes kbmonkey Gateng Cullinan close to Pretoria [06:41] But the sharks are still my team [06:41] yay [06:42] ok clever peeps. i have a storage partition at the end of this drive with unity on, but it shows as root being the owner. what is the best safest way to gain permissions on it [06:43] i cant even run a backup to it. grrr [06:44] unity can be so troublesome [07:07] Oom is this a partition , or external drive ? [07:08] its a partition on the same drive mazal [07:08] I think the root ownership is because it contains a linux os on it [07:08] /storage [07:08] So it's mounted in /media/kilos/storage ? [07:10] i think its just /storage [07:10] Ok , easiets way to get full permissions is with chmod [07:10] if i go to computer then it shows in there as storage [07:11] BUT BE VERY CAREFUL not to go and edit or changed the files or folders in there as there is an OS installed on it [07:11] First confirm where it is mounted [07:11] its empty [07:11] Kilos: what filesystem is it? [07:11] ext4 [07:11] i use ext4 for everything [07:11] sudo chown -R kilos.kilos /storage [07:11] Check /media/kilos for the folder storage [07:12] It's should be in media [07:12] yeah [07:12] ignore me [07:12] Then either that command Greame gave [07:12] Or if you want full rights for any user use chmod 777 [07:12] no rather ignore me, something seems off in that situation [07:12] i see /media/miles/ and a folder with a long number [07:13] ish [07:13] cd / [07:13] find -name 'STORAGE' [07:13] That will show where it is [07:13] lemme see [07:14] replace 'STORAGE' with the correct capitals etc [07:15] i dont use caps [07:15] then it will be [07:15] find -name 'storage' [07:16] But run that in root folder. [07:16] cd / first [07:20] http://slexy.org/view/s2htuOw4nj [07:20] its a partition /storage not a filename isnt it [07:21] Ya but it will be mounted as a folder [07:21] add sudo in front of the find command [07:21] ./storage [07:22] df -k ./storage [07:22] good morning [07:22] Morning inetpro [07:22] hi inetpro [07:23] that df command should show you where it is mounted [07:23] Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on [07:24] and? [07:24] ai! [07:24] /dev/sda1 38355604 6437272 29946928 18% / [07:24] thats all i see [07:24] ok so it is in the root [07:24] but the partition shows in the launcher [07:24] partition? [07:24] ya root wont let me backup to it [07:25] that is just a folder in the root partition [07:25] probably with root as the owner [07:26] nothing to do with unity [07:26] it shows as 50 GB VOLUME [07:27] but if i go to computer where it show usr and them it shows as /storage [07:27] or just storage [07:28] 12/06 09:11:47 sudo chown -R kilos.kilos /storage [07:30] is that miles.miles or miles:miles [07:31] i remember using chown -R once before and making big work , remember inetpro [07:31] haha [07:31] man chown [07:31] it still shows as a root folder [07:32] But you should have rights to it now [07:33] nope if i go properties in computer on storage it shows owned by root [07:33] sudo chmod 777 /storage [07:33] Check if that work ? [07:33] mazal: NO!!!! [07:33] Why ? [07:33] never do that! [07:34] Why not ? [07:34] still shows as owned by root [07:34] sigh [07:34] so,e of the worst advise I see very often online [07:34] some as well [07:34] Is just storage and he is the only user on the pc as far as I know , so why not ? [07:35] people need to to learn to understand file permissions, it is not rocket science [07:36] * inetpro goes back to do some work [07:36] Kilos did you get error after running the chown command ? [07:36] good morning [07:36] Maaz: coffee on [07:36] * Maaz washes some mugs [07:37] hi Kilos, inetpro, mazal [07:37] Morning charl_ [07:37] wiat [07:38] lemme try again im still in cd / mode [07:38] hi charl_ [07:38] If chown returns error paste it for us [07:39] also , after you did the chown command do ls -l and paste result please [07:40] http://slexy.org/view/s20KEM11kT [07:40] Coffee's ready for charl_! [07:41] Kilos, you are in wrong folder [07:41] You are in your home folder [07:41] cd / [07:41] then ls -l [07:42] ok [07:43] http://slexy.org/view/s20glCI6lb [07:43] i hate this permissions thing at times [07:43] drwxrwxrwx 3 miles miles 4096 Jun 11 21:07 storage [07:43] chown works kiff to an external [07:43] ls -l /storage/ [07:44] ls -la /storage/ [07:44] That shows you have permissions to that folder [07:44] sorry [07:44] So you did the chown right [07:44] You SHOULD be able to write to it [07:45] lemme try ty [07:47] yay deja-dup is running, ty guys [07:47] Look at that line I pasted oom [07:48] You see all those rwx stuff ? You know what that means [07:48] ya read write execute [07:48] K , now that shows that you , your group and other users have that rights [07:49] You can go and limit the others if you want [07:49] lekker dankie man [07:49] You can remove the rw and even x as well for others [07:49] it still shows as owned by root if i properties storage in computer [07:50] Only change then is that another user on your pc won't access it [07:50] In Nautilus ? [07:51] i dunno in what man [07:52] When you talk about properties in computer , you talking about when you check the properties in nautilus ? [07:52] if i tick the files thing that used to be home then computer i see usr and var and them [07:52] storage is there too [07:52] Ah ok , and right click properties on that gives root owner ? [07:52] when i right click properties on storage [07:53] ya permissions still show as roo [07:53] root but backup done so np [07:53] ty [07:54] That's strange , maybe nautilus don't see the changed permissions [07:54] Dunno why [07:54] Check it out after a reboot if nautilus sees it right [07:55] will do [07:55] recommended reading: [07:55] How do file permissions work? http://askubuntu.com/questions/83/how-do-file-permissions-work [07:55] Why shouldn't /var/www have chmod 777 http://askubuntu.com/questions/20105/why-shouldnt-var-www-have-chmod-777/20110#20110 [07:57] makes me want to respond with "sorry that is bad practice and I refuse to answer this" and run away when I see chmod 777 [07:58] haha inetpro you are here to advise others not run away [07:58] we survive on your experience [08:05] Kilos, there's another gui way to see where partitons are mounted also if you wonna know [08:06] Might come in handy when you looking for one again [08:12] yes please [08:12] if i remember it [08:13] too cold to stress with stuff like this [08:14] ty ThatGraemeGuy ls -l /storage/ [08:14] showed everything in storage [08:15] This is for a unity install : [08:15] Open the applications disks [08:15] On the left , left click once on the drive in question [08:16] On the right it shows the partitions then. Left click once on the partition in question [08:16] It now opens below it some info , including an entry " mounted at " [08:18] ty [08:19] sjoe mounted at funny place [08:20] Mounted at /media/miles/29ebfa3f-3304-4370-a82e-28c40d1ca62a [08:23] I usually only see that on Win partitions without a label [08:25] And roots of other linux installs on same drive [08:27] im sure it should show as /media/storage [08:28] Can you do a command mount and paste for me [08:28] dunno what went wrong with this install [08:28] Just for curiousity sake [08:28] Sounds like strange mounts there [08:28] Just the command mount , nothing else [08:28] it shows as mounted in the launcher [08:29] there's nothing wrong with the path it mounted to [08:29] The weird one for me is the /storage one in root. That only happens if specified to do so [08:30] correct [08:30] the auto mounter uses /media/username/bla [08:30] mount: can't find /media/miles/29ebfa3f-3304-4370-a82e-28c40d1ca62a in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab [08:31] just type mount on its own [08:31] when i do a fresh install i make a storage partition [08:31] o mount at /storage [08:31] Ah ok , that explains it [08:32] i dont normally see funny numbers like this [08:33] Is that one line with the error all that mount outputs ? [08:33] ya [08:34] lets not worry about it anymore. it accepted a backup so all good [08:34] if i have more probs ill reinstall [08:34] hehe [08:35] I'm just curious hehe [08:36] sudo fdisk -l [08:39] http://slexy.org/view/s2rPrjYOYq [08:55] hi Private_User [09:22] I keep struggling with a rsync to fat32 thing that I can't figure out grrr [09:29] mazal: How can I use rsync with a FAT file system? http://serverfault.com/questions/54949/how-can-i-use-rsync-with-a-fat-file-system [09:30] Will have to change to NTFS [09:31] This guy had exactly the same problem as me : http://dbaspot.com/shell/395052-rsync-always-copies-files-fat32-file-system-usb-drive.html [10:03] mazal: see also http://rsync.samba.org/FAQ.html#2 [10:06] inetpro, I think I'm gonna solve this annoying little problem by getting a seperate stick for my backups and making it ext4 [10:06] Currently this stick is multi-use , that's why it must be fat32. [10:06] Just gonna get a seperate one for backups only [10:12] nou praat ons! [10:13] camera and other manufacturers should start using oss file systems already [10:13] This stick is my ubuntu boot disk also [10:14] But also must do functions on a Win pc as well :( [10:29] Bye everyone , enjoy your weekend [11:53] Hello [11:58] ohi mobilemonkey [12:16] To many monkeys around here today [12:17] haha [12:17] Ons soek nog net die apie op n stokkie [12:22] where's the world cup? [12:23] brazil [12:29] Wonder wat gaan hulle kry na die wc. Ons het net etol gekry [12:44] Hi [12:44] Weechat looks strange from putty on a windows box... [12:52] good afternoon [12:52] weechat always reminds me of weeaboo [12:53] talking about weeaboo, i'm planning on going to animecon tomorrow in the hague [13:11] theblazehen: irssi also looks funny in putty ;-) [13:12] Animecon? So jealous! [13:12] Having a hard time rooting this s3 [13:23] dont go rushing down the deep guys, im stealing ladders in the first 390 [13:23] worked a better scheme. put hammer on space bar and go bath while ascending [14:24] Kilos that is genius [14:24] hahaha [14:25] they say lazy peeps always find shortcuts or easy way out [14:43] Kilos: are you making it one long ladder, instead of separate segments? [14:43] yip ThatGraemeGuy its done [14:43] one long drop now [14:44] oh cool [14:44] nice work [14:44] finger gets tired holding shift or space [14:45] lol came up under my carts rails though [14:45] oopsie [14:46] lol had to mod a bit there too but its all fixed now [14:47] good stuff [14:47] ill find the rails down at 2500 some time [14:47] you dropped them? [14:47] yeah inventory was full [14:47] you haven't crafted bags yet? [14:48] so they go splat some rats down there [14:48] nope [14:48] :-o [14:48] better get on that, they are super useful [14:48] 4 large bags holds a bit more than 3x your inventory [14:48] ill have a look at that [14:49] oh then you put bags in inventory? [14:49] if you press 'I', there's a little bag icon on the bottom row [14:49] aha [14:50] you click that and you see a page with bag 1, 2, 3 and 4 [14:50] you drop a bag on the square above the button, then you click the button to access the bag contents [14:50] whew [14:51] lemme first find whats needed to make bags [14:52] it's in the craft guide thingy [15:00] mobilemonkey: tried framaroot? [15:00] friend rooted with that [15:01] haha need medium bag to make large bag and small bags to make medium bag [15:01] yes [15:01] haha [15:01] Frama was the first o e i tried [15:01] so 4 small bags to make a large i think [15:01] but no point messing with the small ones they hold way less [15:02] just go straight to large [15:02] ill get there [15:02] will do [15:02] and stuff you keep in bags survives your death, so i always keep some strong tools in there so i don't have to struggle along to get back to my bones [15:02] rofl [15:03] i havent died for a long time now [15:03] eat too much rat stew [15:05] i tend to play around lava too much ;-) [15:05] rat stew doesn't help much [15:05] haha [15:08] ok bbl [15:50] mobilemonkey, so how do you put stuff in them bags [15:56] Kilos you make some bags. Then click the bags panel icon and drag the bag to the empty slots. Click them buttons to open the bag. [15:56] hmm... [15:57] It sounds more complicated when i say it [16:00] ah got it ty [16:00] one large bag disappeared somewhere [16:19] hi Private_User whats happening [16:20] what you fixed and what you broke? [17:42] night all. sleep tight and warm. im too cold to sit here [17:46] fscking ethics... [21:06] evening people [21:06] so who's watching the opening Fifa World Cup match [21:58] Brazil 3-1 Croatia