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| suihkulokki | awafaa: pretty much | 05:14 |
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| awafaa | suihkulokki: thanks for the confirmation, so in your view what langs are high/medium/low priority? | 11:13 |
| infinity | awafaa: c,c++,java/go,gchi,erlang,ocaml/everything-else, intentionally leaving out purely interpreted languages that seem to generally Just Work (perl, python, etc). | 11:16 |
| infinity | awafaa: And probably missing a lot of random favourites from others. :P | 11:16 |
| awafaa | infinity: who asked you?! :P | 11:17 |
| awafaa | infinity: i was thinking more of what's the priority for langs that need porting? | 11:17 |
| infinity | awafaa: I figured our relationship was intimate enough that I could interject. I have photos to prove it. | 11:17 |
| awafaa | infinity: you seen my outfit for the next connect? | 11:17 |
| infinity | awafaa: I'm not sure I want to... | 11:17 |
| infinity | awafaa: So, with a Canonical hat on, I'd say golang would be a high priority, taking that hat off, a proper ghci port would make a lot of nerds happy. | 11:18 |
| awafaa | infinity: guess what? you're going to https://plus.google.com/u/0/103092666279088875227/posts/aCtNPvQdHt1 | 11:18 |
| infinity | awafaa: a native erlang port wouldn't go amiss, but I've also not (yet) heard people complaining about the performance impact of not having it. | 11:18 |
| infinity | awafaa: Dude, if your junk can maintain that contraption in place through an entire evening, more power to you. | 11:19 |
| awafaa | infinity: so far the only high priority one i have is go | 11:19 |
| infinity | awafaa: There are also stragglers, like fpc, that don't have a ton of users but would probably also take someone with the right intersection of skills (pascal and ARM, in fpc's case) an afternoon to fix. | 11:21 |
| infinity | awafaa: So, not a priority at all, but perhaps a fun project for someone. | 11:22 |
| suihkulokki | awafaa: my personal opinion is that it's quite low - but it would be still good to have someone assigned to working on porting/optimizing more esoteric languages | 11:22 |
| infinity | awafaa: Oh, and v8/node! I understand there's an AArch64 port sitting on tip/trunk/head/whatever somewhere, but that's of little use while distros are still shipping an old stable libv8 and node to match. | 11:23 |
| awafaa | yeah, problem is getting resources to assign to do the work - I have very little to play with so I have to be very picky with what I put it on | 11:23 |
| awafaa | infinity: you need to take that up with joyent | 11:24 |
| suihkulokki | chasing the long tail and all - it should be made sure at least the languages work so nobody doesn't skip buying and armv8 server because they happen to have a legacy freepascal app as part of their system | 11:24 |
| infinity | suihkulokki: I doubt anyone would make a purchasing decision based on pascal, to be fair. | 11:24 |
| infinity | But nodejs, definitely. And saying "there will be a new upstream release some day with support" doesn't cut it. | 11:24 |
| awafaa | suihkulokki: I agree, but I have to prioritise - I have the list of things that need work, I just need to prioritise it | 11:25 |
| infinity | awafaa: What does joyent have to do with it? | 11:25 |
| awafaa | infinity: they have an exceptional amount of say in node - they just canned the CLA, but still have a lot to say | 11:27 |
| infinity | awafaa: "porting" nodejs to a new arch is trivial. libv8, on the other hand, is painful. And last time I asked about backporting aarch64 support to libv8-3.14 (ie: the version most everyone ships), I was told it was "too much effort", and thus no one cared. Which seems like a pretty lousy thing to tell potential customers. :P | 11:27 |
| infinity | And sure, some day there will be a node/v8 combo based on 3.20 or 3.22 or something, but that doesn't help me today. | 11:29 |
| suihkulokki | it's in node.js master - * v8: upgrade to 3.24.35.22 | 11:30 |
| infinity | suihkulokki: So, maybe I'll see that release before 16.04 ... I'd still love to see a backport to 3.14 for 14.04 | 11:31 |
| infinity | But, *shrug*... | 11:32 |
| suihkulokki | they don't seem to have release schedule | 11:33 |
| infinity | Anyhow, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Just a bit disappointing. | 11:33 |
| suihkulokki | oddly I'd assume something as hipster and trendy as node being released monthly or so | 11:34 |
| infinity | They don't do the hipster release thing. | 11:34 |
| infinity | They also maintain stable branches for effin' ever. | 11:34 |
| infinity | Which I appreciate, as a stuffy conservative engineer. | 11:34 |
| infinity | But their reluctance to cut a new stable out of master is also irksome. :P | 11:35 |
| suihkulokki | I think theyll still manage to release faster than awafaa is able to find someone to do the backport of v8 :F | 11:37 |
| awafaa | almost definitely :/ | 11:38 |
| infinity | Perhaps a fair point. | 11:40 |
| infinity | awafaa: So, discounting the node/v8 argument, and understanding that you already have people prioritising golang (or, you might do), I'd say that ghci is pretty widely-used and often-ignored. | 11:41 |
| hrw | infinity: ocaml is ported | 11:42 |
| awafaa | infinity: i've been trying to work out what actually uses ghci? and when yoiu guys were porting ghc, why do a half arsed effort? :P | 11:43 |
| infinity | hrw: I know, I was listing priorities period, before he narrowed it to discussing unported things. :P | 11:43 |
| hrw | ok | 11:43 |
| infinity | awafaa: Colin's GHC port isn't native, it's more just a dirty hack. | 11:43 |
| infinity | http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/2014/04/15 | 11:43 |
| awafaa | ah, that's not what all the noise said - thanks for the clarification | 11:44 |
| suihkulokki | https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Platforms | 11:48 |
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