[08:06] <Laney> hey hey HEY!
[08:07] <mvo> hey Laney!
[08:11] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:11] <seb128> happy friday!
[08:11] <mvo> hey seb128!
[08:11] <seb128> hey mvo, wie gehts?
[08:12] <mvo> seb128: I'm in really good mood, I got a slackline and installed it in the garden yesterday
[08:12] <Laney> hey mvo et seb128
[08:12] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:12] <seb128> mvo, lol, I first read that as "I got slackware and installed it"
[08:12] <mvo> seb128: and you? how is the real world?
[08:13] <mvo> seb128: LOL
[08:13] <Laney> not bad!
[08:13] <Laney> apparently the "hottest day of the year" today
[08:13] <seb128> good! we have blue sky & not crazy hot weather
[08:13] <mvo> seb128: yeah, 'cause I hate systemd and its the last hideout ;)
[08:13] <mvo> (kidding, I don't care much about the init system really)
[08:13] <Laney> how dare you
[08:13] <mvo> Laney: really? we had that last week, it was really hot
[08:13] <Laney> give back your Debian license right now
[08:14] <seb128> Laney, how hot is that?
[08:14] <mvo> Laney: *weeeeeh* you mean as a DD I *must* *always* *have* *strong* *opinions* ?
[08:14] <seb128> we had 36°C on monday
[08:14] <Laney> ☑ posted on 10 init threads in the past year
[08:14] <Laney> yeah don't laugh at us :P
[08:14] <Laney> I think the previous hottest was 26
[08:15] <ogra_> now it is 26.5 ?
[08:15] <Laney> could be!
[08:15] <ogra_> :)
[08:16]  * seb128 refrains a lol
[08:17] <Laney> I'm quite happy if that is the maximum we get all year ;-)
[08:17] <seb128> yeah, over 30°C starts being annoying
[08:18] <mvo> seb128++
[08:18] <Laney> seb129?
[08:25] <darkxst> try 43-45°C, thats about our usual max over summer, luckily its winter now and we have nice mild 10°C days!
[08:26] <seb128> with over 40°C I guess everybody stick to "find some place with AC and stay in there"?
[08:26] <darkxst> well I do! not sure what the people without AC do, go shopping perhaps!
[09:43] <seb128> shrug
[09:43]  * seb128 shakes fist at xnox and ubiquity
[09:46] <xnox> seb128: cepasa? 3.12?
[09:46] <seb128> the "replace Ubuntu install" partitionner option destroyed the win8 and recovery partitions on that machine
[09:46] <xnox> seb128: or just general cd brokenes
[09:46] <xnox> seb128: i've filed several requests to get windows8 from MSDN to fix that.
[09:46] <seb128> xnox, no, I just nuked the win8 from my cousin trying to install the LTS
[09:46] <seb128> shrug
[09:47] <seb128> I hope there was no important datas on that disk :-(
[09:47] <xnox> seb128: excellent, did you make "windows 8 recovery usb stick first" ?
[09:47] <seb128> no
[09:47] <xnox> seb128: cause now you don't have any way to reinstall windows 8
[09:47] <xnox> \o/
[09:47] <seb128> yeah, thanks, I know
[09:47] <seb128> no win8, no data
[09:47] <xnox> who needs that stuff anyway =)
[09:47] <Laney> :/
[09:47] <seb128> xnox, not funny
[09:48] <seb128> we shouldn't even propose that option if it has risks to nuke disks
[09:51] <seb128> xnox, I guess you don't know of any way to recover the partitions or datas?
[09:55] <xnox> seb128: i've used testdisk successfully before.
[09:55] <Laney> tjaalton: do you know anything about libinput?
[09:55] <xnox> seb128: you should be able to still guess partition tables & detect ntfs and recover things that ubuntu didn't blast over
[09:55] <seb128> Laney, it's used by clutter and needs a MIR!
[09:56] <seb128> xnox, let me try that
[09:56] <xnox> seb128: so eveyrthing sans first 10GB should be recovarable.
[09:56] <Laney> seb128: xactly
[09:56] <xnox> seb128: ideally boot into livecd and install testdisk into live to operate on the drive, et.al.
[09:56] <seb128> xnox, trying that, thanks
[10:00] <tjaalton> Laney: did RAOF package that already, or am i thinking of something else..
[10:01] <Laney> tjaalton: It's packaged
[10:01] <Laney> clutter wants to pull it into main
[10:02] <tjaalton> ah
[10:02] <tjaalton> i think Mir will use it eventually
[10:03] <Laney> that's interesting
[10:03] <tjaalton> so MIRing it now would make sense in the long run
[10:03] <Laney> as it's part of the wayland project
[10:03] <Laney> but cool
[10:03] <Laney> who would be good to do the MIR? :-)
[10:04] <tjaalton> hehe
[10:04] <tjaalton> mlankhorst is off today, as am i
[10:05] <tjaalton> so if you need it now maybe someone else :)
[10:05] <Laney> doesn't have to be now
[10:05] <Laney> I was just browsing excuses and saw this
[10:06] <tjaalton> i can file the paperwork on monday
[10:06] <Laney> that would be great
[10:06] <Laney> thanks!
[10:06] <Laney> now go enjoy your day off :P
[10:09] <tjaalton> already by the pool with a cold pint of Mythos ;)
[10:10] <tjaalton> but yeah, next week
[11:54] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey
[12:02] <Sweet5hark> seb128: hm?
[12:37] <seb128> bregma, hey, just as a fyi, I kicked a rebuild for unity8-desktop-session changes in silo 008, since the platform-api landed (so the changes got applied on the new trunk/can be tested)
[12:37] <bregma> saw that, thanks
[12:37] <bregma> it'll likely land today
[12:38] <seb128> great
[12:38] <seb128> I'm going to test it in a bit
[13:04] <desrt> moin
[13:39] <seb128> xnox, help! ;-)
[13:39] <seb128> xnox, so I gave up on getting back win8 on that box and installed trusty
[13:40] <seb128> but after install/reboot I'm greeted with a "Operating System Not Found" and not with grub
[13:40] <seb128> do you know what the issue could be?
[13:40] <ogra_> did you check the UEFI boot order etc ?
[13:40] <ogra_> (in the BIOS)
[13:41] <seb128> ogra_, where there is only one OS shouldn't that be the one booted?
[13:42] <seb128> ok, changed the boot mode from UEFI to legacy and it boots Ubuntu...
[13:42] <ogra_> probably ... i just know that i have to fiddle with that when susie accidentially booted into windows on her laptop ... it switches to the builtin windows boot manager in UEFI at times
[13:42] <seb128> ogra_, well, the issue is that ubiquity nucked all the windows partitions, including boot and recovery
[13:42] <seb128> (when picking "reinstall over the existing Ubuntu installation")
[13:43] <ogra_> ah, nice :P
[13:43] <seb128> "nice"
[13:43] <seb128> indeed
[13:51] <xnox> seb128: bah. that's quite bad.
[13:51] <xnox> seb128: i'd reinstall again.
[13:51] <seb128> xnox, well, it's booting when the bios is in "legacy mode"
[13:51] <xnox> seb128: it means that bios preffered legacy boot over UEFI boot. And since our media is dual, it did boot in BIOS mode for installation.
[13:51] <xnox> when you were originally booting external media
[13:52] <xnox> it's nicer / faster & better graphics to boot in UEFI mode all the time.
[13:52] <seb128> there is no way to reinstall grub in uefi mode from the installed system?
[13:52] <xnox> there is
[13:52] <xnox> do you still have UEFI partition though left?
[13:52] <seb128> how do I know? I doubt it
[13:52] <xnox> seb128: open disks
[13:53] <xnox> seb128: and check if it has one at the begging
[13:53] <seb128> there is a 274M and a  1.5G unknown type ones
[13:53] <xnox> "Partition Type" EFI System as the first one in the begging
[13:53] <seb128> well type "basic data"
[13:53] <seb128> no
[13:54] <xnox> 1.5G unknown type could be intel rapid start volume
[13:54] <xnox> 274M is that FAT partition?
[13:54] <xnox> can you mount it & check what it has?
[13:54] <xnox> overwise i would reboot into bios, make sure it preffers UEFI only for all boot types & reinstall.
[13:54] <seb128> no, it fact that "non allocated space"
[13:55] <xnox> or just stick with legacy boot
[13:55] <xnox> =)
[13:55] <xnox> seb128: it's not like, grub1 was ever removed from the archive and main =))))
[13:55] <xnox> seb128: and i did fix bugs with using grub1 on trusty =)))))))) lolz
[13:55] <seb128> xnox, shrug
[13:56] <seb128> the bios was in UEFI mode when I booted the USB stick, I'm unsure how doing another install is going to be different
[13:56] <xnox> that's very weird then
[13:56] <xnox> you should have ended up with an UEFI install
[13:56] <seb128> well, I didn't install over the disk but picked a / partition
[13:57] <seb128> so maybe that's an issue?
[14:02] <seb128> xnox, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Creating_an_EFI_partition states I need to create an EFI partition if I want to be able to use UEFI boot
[14:02] <seb128> ubiquity is not doing that for me in manual partitioning mode
[14:02] <xnox> seb128: we reuse/hide that fact typically.
[14:02] <xnox> seb128: EFI system partition is nothing more than a FAT32 partition with a type id changed to "EFI"
[14:03] <xnox> (or was it fat16?!)
[14:06] <seb128> xnox, well, typically seems like if you don't do manually partitioning ... let me install over the disk
[14:07] <Saviq> seb128, bregma, hey, silo 008 is built with session logout, will you do the desktop testing (I can do a phone ACK)?
[14:07] <xnox> seb128: so, you originally booted with (a) uefi mode (b) went into manual partitioning (c) picked existing ubuntu partition (?!) for a reinstall and that resulted in grub-pc, instead of grub-efi?
[14:07] <bregma> Saviq, absolutely
[14:08] <xnox> Saviq: bregma: \o/
[14:08] <seb128> Saviq, I'm about to test on desktop yes, though we can't test the logout part until unity8 and indicator-session changes land, right?
[14:08] <Saviq> seb128, they're in the same silo, why wouldn't you be able to test?
[14:08] <seb128> xnox, sort of, (c) selected manual mode, created a new partition, used that to install /
[14:09] <xnox> seb128: you didn't trust auto-resize, right? (or it wasn't offered)?
[14:09] <seb128> Saviq, ignore me, I didn't realize that silo had been reconfigured since this morning
[14:09] <seb128> xnox, it wasn't offered
[14:09] <Saviq> seb128, ok, I'll do that ;)
[14:09] <xnox> seb128: tah.
[14:16] <seb128> desrt, hey, sorry I just remembered that forgot to reply to your greeting earlier ;-)
[14:17] <desrt> seb128: no worries :)
[14:17] <desrt> DRO is over :p
[14:17] <seb128> oh, right
[14:17] <seb128> happy to be "free" again? ;-)
[14:17] <desrt> yup
[14:17] <desrt> results weren't bad either
[14:17] <desrt> my particular ballot box was overwhelmingly NDP -- > 50%
[14:18] <desrt> and NDP won that district.... but liberals won overall
[14:19] <seb128> cool
[14:59] <seb128> charles, tedg, Saviq, bregma: sorry I though we were here earlier, and I got sidetracked by people asking things
[15:00] <seb128> the dbus-monitor log has "No such object path '/org/gnome/SessionManager/EndSessionDialog'"
[15:00] <bregma> ** (process:2497): WARNING **: /build/buildd/indicator-session-12.10.5+14.10.20140613/src/backend-dbus/actions.c:638 on_open_end_session_dialog_ready: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownObject: No such object path '/org/gnome/SessionManager/EndSessionDialog'
[15:00] <seb128> no RequestLogout
[15:00] <charles> hm, ok
[15:02] <charles> sounds like a problem on the i-session side then
[15:03] <Laney> bug #1329792 seems real
[15:03] <charles> seb128, just to make sure, this is with the lp-1296814-logout-using-unity-session branch right?
[15:04] <seb128> charles, it's with https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-008
[15:04] <seb128> charles, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/177551784/indicator-session_12.10.5%2B14.04.20140410-0ubuntu1_12.10.5%2B14.10.20140613-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[15:04] <seb128> is the codediff for indicator-session
[15:04] <charles> k
[15:05] <seb128> Laney, indeed
[15:07] <seb128> Laney, going to make larsu happy :/
[15:07]  * larsu reads scrollback to become happy
[15:07] <charles> seb128, I'm going to be afk in a little bit taking my wife to work, after that I'll see if I can get a unity8 env running on my system and try 008 on my own and track down the problem
[15:07] <seb128> larsu, <irony> sorry
[15:08] <ogra_> to late !
[15:08] <ogra_> TGIF :)
[15:08] <charles> seb128, downside is, eta ~90 min before I start on that
[15:08] <larsu> seb128: what are we talking about? The volume button bug?
[15:08] <seb128> charles, ok, let me know if I can help providing debug infos
[15:08] <seb128> larsu, yes
[15:08] <seb128> charles, well, no worry, that can wait for monday to land
[15:09] <seb128> though I'm a bit annoyed that we grouper the iso autologin fix with unrelated changes
[15:09] <larsu> seb128: any idea what could be wrong there?
[15:09] <seb128> because it means we are blocking the iso fix
[15:09] <seb128> bregma, Saviq: ^ just as a fyi
[15:10] <seb128> larsu, no :-( I see a + displayed a bit downer on the UI, I wonder if that's a stacking or rendering issue
[15:10] <larsu> interesting. I'll put it on my TODO
[15:10] <Saviq> seb128, hmm, sorry, we did discuss it this morning, only probably we expected this to be working and landable...
[15:10]  * larsu has to finish reviewing desrt's parser patch today
[15:11] <Saviq> seb128, if you want, drop unity8 and i-session again from there and land u8-d-session alone
[15:11] <seb128> Saviq, yeah, we should have taken Laney's login fix alone and then grouped everything else
[15:14] <seb128> mterry, thanks for the MIR approval btw ;-)
[15:15] <mterry> seb128, I only wish they were all so easy  :)
[15:15] <seb128> hehe
[15:20] <bregma> the logout fix getting added to the unity8-desktop-session silo took me by surprise too
[15:21] <seb128> bregma, I'm going to move Laney's fix to its own silo, land that and reconfigure the logout one without that mp, if that works for you?
[15:21] <bregma> wfm
[15:22] <seb128> thanks
[16:13] <seb128> Saviq, bregma, charles, Laney: k, I landed the unity8-desktop-session autologin fix and I'm rebuilding silo 008 on top of that landing now (only including the session changes)
[16:14] <Laney> cool, thanks
[16:14] <Laney> what does on top of mean?
[16:14] <seb128> I waited for the fix to be in trunk before kicking the rebuild
[16:14] <seb128> so it means the silo includes the fix
[16:15] <Laney> oh there's another change to that package, I see
[16:15] <seb128> right
[16:39] <seb128> ok, calling it a week, time for some tennis and w.e!
[16:39] <seb128> have a good w.e everyone
[16:40] <seb128> see you next week
[16:41] <Laney> bye seb128 !