[00:08] <frecel> hello
[00:09] <frecel> Ubuntu SDK tells me that the emulator package is missing when I connect my phone, how do I fix that?
[00:23] <pmcgowan> frecel, that sounds wrong, try installing the  ubuntu-emulator package
[00:25] <frecel> pmcgowan: that fixed it, thanks
[00:25] <pmcgowan> frecel, good but I will file a bug
[00:26] <frecel> this should be updated to include some info about the emulator package
[00:26] <frecel> http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/
[00:26] <pmcgowan> frecel, indeed
[00:27] <pmcgowan> frecel, do you have the latest qtc plugin from the PPA
[00:30] <frecel> pmcgowan: I updated everything yesterday
[00:31] <frecel> pmcgowan: correction, I updated everything this morning
[00:31] <pmcgowan> frecel, on trusty from the sdk ppa then?
[00:31] <pmcgowan> ok
[00:31] <mattwj2002> hey guys and ladies
[00:31] <mattwj2002> how complete is ubuntu touch?  last year it was far from complete?
[00:32] <frecel> mattwj2002: depends by what do you mean by complete
[00:32] <mattwj2002> good point
[00:33] <frecel> mattwj2002: the OS itself is stable and functionality is there, the app ecosystem needs more time to grow there
[00:33] <mattwj2002> well let me ask it this way.....how much has changed in a year
[00:33] <mattwj2002> okay that works
[00:33] <mattwj2002> I have a nexus 7 I am going to install it on :)
[00:33] <sarnold> new nexus 7 or old nexus 7?
[00:33] <frecel> mattwj2002: is it a 2013 model?
[00:33] <mattwj2002> 2012 old one
[00:34] <frecel> it's not officially supported then
[00:34] <mattwj2002> really?
[00:34] <mattwj2002> what about galaxy nexus?
[00:34] <frecel> the support for galaxy nexus was dropped a few months ago
[00:35] <mattwj2002> :(
[00:35] <mattwj2002> what the heck
[00:35] <frecel> I feel you bro :D I have the original nexus 7 too
[00:36] <frecel> I bought a nexus 4 just so I can play with Ubuntu on it
[00:36] <pmcgowan> mattwj2002, galaxy nexus could not be brought up to android 4.4 drivers, and old Nexus 7 graphics were busted (tegra)
[00:36] <pmcgowan> regrettable
[00:36] <mattwj2002> indeed
[00:36] <mattwj2002> is there unoffical image for nexus 7 2012?
[00:37] <mattwj2002> *an
[00:37] <frecel> and then my Samsung Galaxy S2 decided to not read my sim card anymore so my Ubuntu powered nexus 4 is my daily driver now
[00:37] <pmcgowan> mattwj2002, no, and the last published image is quite a while ago
[00:38] <mattwj2002> do you guys have a list of supported devices?
[00:38] <pmcgowan> rsalveti, the log I have for that bug is 25 MB but I dont think has more info than I put in the bug
[00:38] <frecel> mattwj2002: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[00:39] <frecel> it's a pretty short list though
[00:39] <mattwj2002> I have quite a few android devices
[00:39] <mattwj2002> :P
[00:40] <frecel> nvm, community ports have been added there since I last read that page and there is quite a few of them
[00:40] <frecel> interesting
[00:41] <mattwj2002> how good is the emulator?
[00:42] <sarnold> x86 emulator is decent enough but you'll probably find yourself reaching for the keyboard to try to type in text.. and that won't go. heh.
[00:42] <mattwj2002> what does this mean?
[00:42] <mattwj2002> Working ports, but w/o system-image server
[00:44] <frecel> pmcgowan: I can't seem to be able to take screenshots
[00:44] <pmcgowan> frecel, I believe thats due to the soon to be reverted split greeter
[00:45] <pmcgowan> mattwj2002, that means there are no ota updates available
[00:45] <mattwj2002> oh okay
[00:48] <frecel> pmcgowan: since we are on the topic of screenshots, do you know if there is a way to somehow attach an event listener to the volume rocker?
[00:48] <frecel> I want to take screenshots without having to connect the phone to a computer
[00:48] <frecel> this is how I do it now http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~frecel/+junk/screenshot/view/head:/screenshot.sh
[00:50] <pmcgowan> did you look at how phablet-screenshot does it? and no I dont know how to listen to volume rocker
[00:53] <frecel> phablet-screenshot uses adb to execute some bash on the phone
[00:54] <frecel> pmcgowan: the funny thing is that no one seems to know, and it should be in the api
[00:55] <frecel> I just realized that cordova has a listener for that, I should check if it works on ubuntu
[00:57] <frecel> nvm, that probably won't help since I can't execute a shell script from a html5 app
[00:57] <pmcgowan> frecel, I don't think its exposed, so I understand how would the system decide where to route the event from that button
[00:59] <mattwj2002> I wonder how much a nexus 4 goes for now
[00:59]  * mattwj2002 looks on swappa
[00:59] <frecel> I bought mine for $200 in november
[01:02] <frecel> pmcgowan: I guess I will just wait until there is a proper way of taking screenshots on the phone, in the mean time my script works
[01:02] <frecel> at list it did before the whole split-greeter kerfuffle
[01:02] <frecel> least*
[01:02] <pmcgowan> frecel, yeah, that will land tomorrow I think, should be back
[01:02] <mattwj2002> frecel that price is still about right
[01:03] <pmcgowan> be nice to have an app like on desktop that waits 5 secs then takes the shot
[01:06] <frecel> pmcgowan: it is relatively easy to do, the hard part is triggering it, right now what I use is the volume level, so if the volume is set to 0 then a screenshot is taken and you can got to Gallery and see it there
[01:08] <frecel> this is the best way of taking screenshots without having to connect your phone to a computer I came up with
[01:09] <frecel> I made it so I can easily document ui bugs and I have not found a single new ui bug since I made it
[01:09] <pmcgowan> frecel, hah typical
[01:09] <pmcgowan> frecel, would be a nice general feature
[01:13] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[01:13] <mattwj2002> my computer locked up :(
[01:16] <frecel> pmcgowan: my guess is that as soon as the whole greeter and dbus thing is over there will be a proper solution for this
[01:16] <frecel> I gotta go buy some food
[01:16] <frecel> probably be back in 30 mins
[01:16] <mattwj2002> hopefully I will have my emulator running by then
[01:16] <mattwj2002> :P
[01:50] <frecel> I am back
[01:50] <mattwj2002> frecel: I need your help please good sir
[01:51] <kurros> so what are we eating?
[01:52] <mattwj2002> how do you install ubuntu touch os on galaxy nexus
[01:53] <mattwj2002> I don't care if it is a bit out of date software wise
[01:54] <frecel> kurros: pizza, I don't know what kind yet, my brother is getting it
[01:54] <kurros> yay
[01:55] <frecel> mattwj2002: I think a bit means 6 months in this case
[01:55] <sarnold> man, a lot has changed in even three months. it feels so much smoother now than it used to..
[01:55] <frecel> a lot has changed since and I wouldn't be suprised if most of the new apps wouldn't even work since the framework changed
[01:56] <frecel> sarnold: I agree, I used ubuntu touch as a daily driver for a few weeks in dec/jan and I am doing it again now, completely different experience
[01:57] <mattwj2002> hmmm
[01:59] <frecel> mattwj2002: but if for some strange reason you still want to do it I would check the old revisions of the installation guide on ubuntu wiki
[02:00] <mattwj2002> frecel I think I have it figured out:)
[02:00] <mattwj2002> this is back in November
[02:00] <mattwj2002> :-s
[02:01] <dobey> you can ubuntu-device-flash --channel stable --device maguro and it might work
[02:01] <dobey> but you'll get an extremely old image
[02:02] <mattwj2002> thanks dobey
[02:02] <frecel> mattwj2002: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install?action=recall&rev=108
[02:03] <frecel> mattwj2002: this is the latest revision for the tutorial where maguro is still in maitenance instead of depricated
[02:07] <mattwj2002> frecel
[02:07] <mattwj2002> how would I install it this way?
[02:07] <mattwj2002> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/saucy/daily-preinstalled/pending/
[02:14] <frecel> mattwj2002: why do you want to do this rather than the regular way?
[02:14] <mattwj2002> frecel I guess I don't know how to do it the normal way
[02:14] <mattwj2002> :(
[02:14] <mattwj2002> I am a newbie at this
[02:14] <dobey> 21:59 < dobey> you can ubuntu-device-flash --channel stable --device maguro and  it might work
[02:15] <mattwj2002> not android but ubuntu touch os
[02:15] <dobey> that's the "normal way"
[02:15] <mattwj2002> do I need a sudo?
[02:15] <dobey> well, after you've unlocked and rebooted to android
[02:15] <dobey> no
[02:15] <dobey> you need unlocked phone with dev mode enabled
[02:16] <dobey> it will replace all of android though
[02:17] <mattwj2002> matt@nodeskip:~/Desktop$ ubuntu-device-flash --channel stable --device maguro2014/06/12 21:17:05 Device is |maguro|
[02:17] <mattwj2002> 2014/06/12 21:17:06 Flashing version 10 from stable channel and server https://system-image.ubuntu.com to device maguro
[02:17] <mattwj2002> 2014/06/12 21:17:06 ubuntu-touch/stable is a channel alias to stable
[02:17] <mattwj2002> 2014/06/12 21:17:06 Cannot cleanup tree to ensure clean deploymentexit status 255
[02:17] <mattwj2002> matt@nodeskip:~/Desktop$
[02:17] <mattwj2002> help?
[02:18] <mattwj2002> sorry I should have used pastebin :(
[02:18] <dobey> yes you should
[02:18] <mattwj2002> I will do that in the future
[02:18] <mattwj2002> sorry!
[02:23] <frecel> mattwj2002: is your phone unlocked?
[02:24] <mattwj2002> it should be
[02:24] <mattwj2002> I have been running cm11 for ages now
[02:32] <mattwj2002> I can't believe you guys dropped support for the galaxy nexus :(
[02:34] <frecel> mattwj2002: blame popey
[02:35]  * mattwj2002 smacks popey
[02:37] <frecel> dobey: are you one of the guys working on document viewer?
[02:40] <dobey> no
[02:47] <mattwj2002> if your device reboots how long does it take to load Ubuntu Touch OS the first time?
[02:48] <frecel> mattwj2002: its just like a normal reboot
[02:49] <mattwj2002> I get a black screen
[02:49] <mattwj2002> after the google with a unlocked screen
[02:49] <mattwj2002> oh it loaded
[02:49] <mattwj2002> :D
[02:52] <mattwj2002> I guess it is pretty pointless if I can't run the latest software :(
[02:52] <mattwj2002> back to cm11
[03:00] <frecel> mattwj2002: if you really want to try ubuntu touch right now get a nexus 4
[03:01] <mattwj2002> ok np
[03:01] <mattwj2002> :)
[03:01] <mattwj2002> what about a n5?
[03:01] <mattwj2002> would that also work?
[03:01] <frecel> mattwj2002: n5 will work but that is a community port, not oficially supported
[03:02] <mattwj2002> will it be an offical port eventually?
[03:02] <frecel> or just wait for the bq aquaris to come out with ubuntu, it will probably go for about $200
[03:02] <frecel> mattwj2002: idk, but probably not
[03:02] <sarnold> seems unlikely, between bq and meizu coming out with real hardware soon, I don't think the n5 will be targeted
[03:03] <mattwj2002> real hardware?
[03:03] <frecel> yup
[03:03] <frecel> miezu will probably go for something between $300 and $350
[03:04] <dobey> n5 is a waste of money :(
[03:04] <frecel> dobey: why? I'm thinking about getting one
[03:05] <dobey> because of the lack of ubuntu support
[03:08] <frecel> mattwj2002: if you want to try something cool on your galaxy nexus I think there is Firefox OS build for it
[03:08] <dobey> or webos
[03:09] <frecel> the cool thing about firefox os is that the development is very rapid
[03:09] <frecel> the uncool thing is that they don't have oti updates and phone manufacturers are not keeping up
[03:09] <mattwj2002> frecel do you have a link to FoxOS
[03:10] <frecel> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Firefox_OS_build_prerequisites
[03:10] <frecel> mattwj2002: ^^
[03:11] <mattwj2002> Samsung Galaxy Nexus     We are not currently aware of any variations that are not compatible.
[03:11] <mattwj2002> oh
[03:11] <mattwj2002> nevermind :)
[03:12] <frecel> it is tier 3 though, so the bugfixes might be delayed by a bit
[03:13] <mattwj2002> is there a room for this?
[03:15] <frecel> mattwj2002: I think it's #fxos on irc.mozilla.org
[03:17] <frecel> dobey: can you do something for me?
[03:17] <frecel> dobey: can you put your phone to your ear as if you are about to talk to someone and tell me if you hear anything?
[03:19] <dobey> which phone?
[03:19] <dobey> and anyway, it's late here, so i have to go
[03:20] <frecel> dobey: nexus 4
[03:20] <frecel> dobey: but if you have a different phone running Ubuntu thats fine too
[03:20] <frecel> even better actually
[03:21] <dobey> my nexus 4 doesn't have a sim, and is running ubuntu, no i don't hear anything
[03:21] <dobey> my nexus 5 isn't running ubuntu any more, and doesn't have my sim in it any more either
[03:21] <dobey> but i didn't hear any weird sound out of it either
[03:22] <frecel> the sim doesn't matter, as long as the phone is on it's good
[03:22] <frecel> hmm.. I get a crackling sound coming out of the speaker all the time, it's very quiet so you only hear it if you put the phone right to your ear
[03:25] <dobey> nope not here
[03:25] <dobey> anyway, must go
[03:26] <frecel> dobey: ok, thanks and good night
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[07:46] <mardy> Saviq: hi! I read in some document that you'll be working on a "Passphrase to secure device" in System Settings; do you have a minute to talk about that?
[07:48] <Saviq> mardy, we'll have to reevaluate that now that we had to back off the split greeter
[07:48] <Saviq> mardy, mterry knows more, so we should wait for him
[07:49] <mardy> Saviq: OK. So the split greeter won't come back?
[07:49] <Saviq> mardy, it will, but probably not in time for RTM
[07:49] <mardy> Saviq: I see :-/
[07:49] <Saviq> and/or we might need a different plan for low-mem devices
[07:50] <Saviq> as the second session will always waste *some* memory
[07:50] <Saviq> due to all the duplicated services
[07:50] <Saviq> so we might need to support both modes
[08:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Sewing Machine Day! :-D
[08:05] <JamesTait> In the clock app, is there a way to disable an alarm without deleting it?
[08:06] <JamesTait> e.g. I have an alarm for the school run, which I want to turn off during the school holidays and sprints. :)
[08:06] <Smart> Hi all. can someone plz help me with latest source code link for libhybris in ubuntu-touch
[09:06] <Laney> does /usr/share/ofono/scrips/scan-for-operators work?
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> nice new loading screens on version 73 :p
[11:01] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch Trojita | http://askubuntu.com/q/482737
[11:05] <piiramar> Laney: works for me, on mako with image 79. note that it can take a long time (several minutes).
[11:05] <Laney> I was getting an error immediately
[11:05] <Laney> NetworkRegistration interface not found
[11:06] <Laney> I thought I had phonesim installed or something but apparently not
[11:06] <Laney> I can't get on the cell network which is why I was trying this in the first place
[11:06] <piiramar> Laney: ok ... I might have seen that intermittently, but don't know why
[11:06] <ogra_> Laney, bug 1321627 ?
[11:08] <Laney> ogra_: is that soft=true under [WWAN]?
[11:08] <ogra_> yeah
[11:08] <Laney> because I do have that
[11:08] <ogra_> right, so you have GSM blocked
[11:08] <Laney> I see
[11:08] <Laney> nice bug!
[11:22] <asac> 3g data isnt working for me anymore in latet devel image :/
[11:22] <asac> known?
[11:23] <popey> wfm
[11:25] <ogra_> asac, but yu have a GSM connection ?
[11:25] <ogra_> or is it completely off
[11:26] <asac> ogra_: no data at all
[11:26] <ogra_> but you can make/recieve calls ?
[11:26] <asac> at least the indicator shows just cellular
[11:26] <asac> yeah call cellular is on
[11:26] <asac> just no data
[11:26] <asac> also tried to reboot
[11:26] <asac> didnt help
[11:48] <asac> cyphermox: data doesnt work for me anymore on devel build
[11:48] <asac> what info do you need?
[11:49] <asac> cellular connection is there for phone calls
[11:49] <asac> just no data
[11:51] <ogra_> check the urfkill settings (see the bug above)
[11:51] <asac> ok
[11:52] <asac> ogra_: where can i try turning off flight mode?
[11:53] <ogra_> the bug should have the info
[11:54] <asac> wwan=false
[11:54] <asac> so guess its not the problem
[11:54] <asac> in cat /var/lib/urfkill/saved-states
[11:55] <asac> its true for WLAN
[11:55] <asac> because i disabled it to check if 3g works
[11:56] <asac> i will rename that file
[11:56] <asac> and reboot
[11:56] <asac> lets see
[12:01] <asac> didnt help
[12:01] <asac> no 3g
[12:01] <asac> wlan turned off explicitely to test this
[12:01] <asac> let me turn it on and check if its up then
[12:01] <asac> wow
[12:01] <asac> so turning wlan off, turns off wwnan :)
[12:01] <asac> i turned it on ... and before it associated i saw a 2g
[12:01] <asac> icon
[12:02] <asac> and now the interface has an ip
[12:02] <asac> wow
[12:04] <ogra_> asac, that sounds more like an indicator issue
[12:04] <asac> lets see
[12:04] <asac> seems so... after i had data, turning off wifi leavces the modem up
[12:04] <asac> rebooting now
[12:06] <asac> bug 1329752
[12:07] <asac> cyphermox: tedg: charles: ^^
[12:07] <asac> ogra said might be indicator hence pinging you
[12:07] <ogra_> your WWAN isnt blocked in that
[12:07] <ogra_> asac, indicator-network is Wellark
[12:08] <charles> Wellark, Satoris: ^
[12:08] <asac> thx charles
[12:08] <charles> hm, Satoris isn't idling in here, I'll ping him manually
[12:09] <charles> on the canonical irc he's on and wellark is marked as away
[12:09] <asac> k. if he works on the phone he should be here
[12:09] <charles> *nod*
[12:09] <asac> maybe tell him that too :)
[12:10] <ogra_> asac, attach syslog too to the bug ... should show the NM states etc
[12:17] <asac> done
[12:18] <Wellark> asac: indicator-network is not touching the WWAN killswitch
[12:18] <Wellark> I would say it's urfkill
[12:19] <asac> kk
[12:19] <Wellark> we already have couple of bugs about wrong WWAN state
[12:19] <Wellark> on urfkill
[12:19] <asac> Wellark: the wwan state is correct
[12:19] <asac> just the modem isnt coming up
[12:19] <asac> could be that we interpret wlan state as wwan state too :)
[12:19] <asac> where is that urfkill code?
[12:20] <Wellark> well, WWAN == modem in our urfkill right now
[12:20]  * asac goes for the package
[12:20] <asac> Wellark: right, but wwan -> soft=false -> modem doesnt come up on boot ...
[12:20] <asac> thats if wlan soft=true
[12:21] <Wellark> ok. you need cyphermox for this
[12:21] <asac> kk
[12:21] <asac> already pinged him above
[12:21] <Wellark> ok.
[12:25] <asac> cyphermox: grepping through urfkill its odd that there are places where there is WLAN, but not WWAN in the switch/case codes
[12:26] <asac> cyphermox: i guess thats (one of) the reason for the weird WWAN state bugs
[12:26] <asac> cyphermox: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/7638647/
[12:27] <asac> tests/killswitch-write.c:	wlan = urf_killswitch_new (URF_ENUM_TYPE_WLAN);
[12:27] <asac> src/urf-arbitrator.c:		type = RFKILL_TYPE_WLAN;
[12:27] <asac> src/urf-input.c:				case KEY_WLAN:
[12:28] <asac> src/urf-daemon.c:	case KEY_WLAN:
[12:28] <asac> src/urf-daemon.c:		type = RFKILL_TYPE_WLAN;
[12:28] <asac> those are the ones that only exist on WLAN not WWAN
[12:28] <Wellark> asac: one reason for that might be that WWAN on n4 is not an actual HW kill switch
[12:28] <asac> could be :)
[12:28] <asac> just pointing out
[12:28] <Wellark> sure.
[12:32] <asac> cyphermox: oha
[12:32] <asac> i see in arbitrator that we use the WLAN setting as our general state?
[12:32] <asac>        if (type == RFKILL_TYPE_ALL)
[12:32] <asac>                 type = RFKILL_TYPE_WLAN;
[12:33] <asac> guess thats cause of my bug?
[12:33] <asac> e.g. if you ask for state of all, you return the state of WLAN? so if i turn off wlan it tells whoever is asking that efverything is off?
[12:56] <mardy> qtcreator doesn't start on my machine because I'm missing /etc/ubuntu-platform-api/application.conf
[12:56] <mardy> can please someone tell me which package should install that file?
[12:57] <brendand> is there any easy way to cross-reference which revision of which branch a click package is based on?
[13:05] <Agontuk> Is there any flashable zip for ubuntu system image ?
[13:05] <ogra_> nope
[13:06] <mardy> dbarth: do you have the file /etc/ubuntu-platform-api/application.conf ?
[13:07] <Agontuk> hello ogra. so users have to be on ubuntu to be able to flash the images ?
[13:07] <ogra_> Sarvatt, do you have any bug open for "startup animation missing in a few cases" ?
[13:07] <ogra_> (iirc thats a unity8 feature)
[13:07] <pmcgowan> Wellark, hi, following the cellular fail thread, my phone already shows "No signal" when there is none, although I dont think it does when the modem is actually off, is that correct?
[13:09] <ogra_> Agontuk, well, we base on AOSP ... google dropped zip support with 4.4 ... additionally the system-image is always a combo of rootfs and android img files, but all we could offer you would  be a zip of the rootfs alone, that would result in messed up installs
[13:11] <Agontuk> ogra_, personally i don't have problems with ubuntu since I'm using it. But if I decide to share it, many users don't have ubuntu, so it'll be a problem.
[13:12] <ogra_> Agontuk, ubuntu--device-flash is written in Go and should be possible to be run on windows or OSX
[13:12] <ogra_> (not sure anyone has done that yet though ... but technically it should work)
[13:13] <ogra_> if sommeone wants to package all bits needed for flashing into fedora, SuSE or Arch we'll surely not object to patches to the code if they are needed :)
[13:15] <Agontuk> First things first. I need to build it properly for my own use :P
[13:15] <ogra_> :)
[13:15] <ogra_> ugh, sorry Sarvatt ... just noticed i mis-pinged
[13:15] <Agontuk> If ubuntu-root is used for ramdisk, how the *.rc are used ?
[13:15] <ogra_> Saviq, do you have any bug open for "startup animation missing in a few cases" ?
[13:16] <Saviq> ogra_, no
[13:16] <ogra_> Agontuk, ubuntu-root ?
[13:16] <Agontuk> ubuntu-root folder in out directory
[13:17] <ogra_> Saviq, if i tap a link in a webapp that opens the browser i only get a black screen ... that happens also for some apps that i locked to the launcher when i start them from there
[13:17] <ogra_> Agontuk, what porting guide are you using ...
[13:17] <ogra_> thats definitely outdated
[13:17] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, please file
[13:17] <ogra_> will do
[13:18] <Saviq> although that will get fixed with qtcomp I believe
[13:18] <Agontuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[13:19] <robotfuel> ev ping, I have some whoopsie bugs and pitti said you were the person that can triage it for me. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/whoopsie/+bug/1329520
[13:19] <pitti> robotfuel: that's not whoopsie, that's actually apport
[13:19] <pitti> that looks like a broken core dump
[13:20] <ogra_> Agontuk, the .rc files are only used by the android container ... way later in the boot
[13:21] <robotfuel> pitti: whoopsie-upload-all made me think it was whoopsie. I'll move the bug to apport, do you know who I talk to about getting the apport bug fixed?
[13:21] <ogra_> Agontuk, the system boots into an ubuntu initrd ... which is not much different from what you have on a ubuntu PC boot ... it then switches to the ubuntu rootfs and at some point later fires up an lxc container with android in it ... only in that step the android rc files are used
[13:22] <ogra_> during porting you will need to pull out some data from these files for i.e. the udev rule to creat the proper devices in ubuntu (with the right permissions)
[13:22] <ogra_> but they are not involved in booting the device itself ... only for the container that is started later on
[13:23] <Agontuk> perfect explanation :)
[13:24] <Agontuk> which file contains the partition table then ?
[13:26] <ogra_> the bootloader ... we usually dont touch the partition table at all ... we use the userdata partition to put loop mounted img files in there
[13:29] <dbarth> mardy: don't have it either
[13:30] <mardy> dbarth: and does qtcreator work for you? it aborts here, because that file is missing
[13:31] <mardy> zsombi: hi! Maybe you can help defining the issue? My qtcreator aborts because /etc/ubuntu-platform-api/application.conf is missing, and I don't know where to get that file from
[13:32] <pmcgowan> mardy, ask zbenjamin
[13:32] <mardy> zbenjamin: hi :-) ^
[13:33] <zbenjamin> mardy: when does it abort?
[13:34] <mardy> zbenjamin: before showing any UI, right at start up: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7638908/
[13:34] <Wellark> pmcgowan: let me check that.. right now the "No Signal" is a bit mysterious
[13:35] <pmcgowan> Wellark, I actually do not have signal for this carrier so its working correctly
[13:35] <zbenjamin> mardy: scary i never saw that
[13:35] <pmcgowan> Wellark, seems it should do the same when modem is off
[13:35] <zbenjamin> zsombi: any idea where this error message comes from? Ubuntu Platform API: Unable to find module configuration file
[13:35] <Wellark> pmcgowan: we will show modem off as an error, but not implemented yet
[13:35] <pmcgowan> Wellark, ok
[13:36] <Wellark> as the modem should never ever be offline during normal operation
[13:36] <pete-woods> mardy: hi, do you have any time to help me get my accounts plugin working on the phone?
[13:36] <zsombi> zbenjamin: Ubuntu Platform API, qtubuntu?
[13:36] <mardy> pete-woods: yep
[13:36] <zbenjamin> zsombi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7638908/
[13:36] <zbenjamin> zsombi: thats all it says
[13:37] <mardy> zsombi: and if I strace it, I see that it's trying to opening /etc/ubuntu-platform-api/application.conf, which is not there
[13:37] <mardy> zbenjamin, zsombi: do you have that file, BTW?
[13:37] <zbenjamin> mardy: no
[13:37] <pete-woods> mardy: basically I have a provider file which works on the desktop now (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/unity-scope-vimeo/14.10/view/head:/data/accounts/providers/vimeo.provider)
[13:38] <zsombi> zbenjamin: mardy: nope
[13:38] <pete-woods> mardy: but it looks like I need to cook up some QML on the phone
[13:38] <pete-woods> but I'm not really sure where to start
[13:38] <mardy> zbenjamin: maybe I have a broken qtcreator plugin; is there a way to list them?
[13:38] <pete-woods> I was a bit puzzled by the URIs in the google plugin
[13:39] <mardy> pete-woods: you are using OAuth 2.0 or 1.0a?
[13:39] <zbenjamin> mardy: dpkg -l | qtcreator-plugin
[13:39] <zbenjamin> + grep of course
[13:39] <pete-woods> mardy: this is OAuth2
[13:40] <pete-woods> .0
[13:41] <dbarth> mardy: works for me, but on trusty
[13:41] <mardy> zbenjamin: do you have this? qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu
[13:41] <zbenjamin> mardy: yes
[13:41] <mardy> pete-woods: then take the qml file from facebook as an example
[13:42] <zbenjamin> you will need -remotelinux -cmake and -ubuntu
[13:42] <mardy> pete-woods: basically, you only need to use the vimeo APIs to retrieve the username, and set it on the account
[13:42] <mardy> pete-woods: but as a start, you can skip that part, and just check if the account gets created
[13:43] <zbenjamin> pete-woods: hey pete whats the state on the stuff we worked on in malta?
[13:43] <pete-woods> zbenjamin: the APIs we need are in distro now
[13:43] <zbenjamin> pete-woods: do you have some docs ready?
[13:47] <pete-woods> zbenjamin: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-scopes-api/trunk/view/head:/include/unity/scopes/Registry.h
[13:47] <pete-woods> is the starting point
[13:47] <pete-woods> you can set the scope_state_callback to get change notification about when scopes start and stop
[13:48] <zbenjamin> pete-woods: awesome :)
[13:48] <boiko> dednick: hi, so I'm finally back working on the active call indicator property you need
[13:49] <zbenjamin> pete-woods: can i also trigger the scope to show up?
[13:49] <dednick> boiko: howdy. good to hear!
[13:49] <boiko> dednick: but I actually have a question: what happens when the active call indicator is clicked? does it call a URL or something?
[13:49] <pete-woods> zbenjamin: hmm, we never actually made that part
[13:49] <pete-woods> so you'd only be able to install the scope
[13:49] <pete-woods> at the moment there's no way to force the shell to show a particular scope
[13:50] <boiko> dednick: I'm asking because  when the dialer is already in focus, I need to know when the indicator was clicked to go back to the live call view
[13:50] <dednick> boiko: it switches focus to the dialer app at the moment i think
[13:50] <mardy> ricmm: hi! Do you know what this error mean? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7638908/
[13:50] <zbenjamin> pete-woods: that part is required for us to make it work from qtc, i need a running process on the phone i can connect to
[13:50] <mardy> ricmm: I don't have /etc/ubuntu-platform-api/application.conf, but most people here also don't, and qtcreator works for them
[13:50] <dednick> boiko: probably needs to do something a bit more clever than that though
[13:51] <zbenjamin> pete-woods: if the scope is not loaded i can not connect to gdbserver
[13:51] <pete-woods> zbenjamin: that's true :(
[13:51] <boiko> dednick: maybe something like calling application:///dialer-app?view=liveCall ?
[13:52] <boiko> dednick: not sure this is possible through the URI dispatcher when using the application:// URI
[13:52] <dednick> boiko: um. possibly
[13:54] <ricmm> mardy: hi, where is that error from?
[13:54] <ricmm> mardy: as in, how to reprod
[13:54] <mardy> ricmm: I just type "qtcreator" from the terminal
[13:55] <ricmm> on your laptop you mean?
[13:55] <mardy> ricmm: yes
[13:55] <ricmm> thats odd it shouldnt be trying to bring up the platform API on desktop
[13:55] <ricmm> right, I see it
[13:56] <mardy> ricmm: I might have installed some phone packages in the past, maybe
[13:56] <pitti> seb128, ogra_: do you happen to know, do the phone's spellchecker need my/hunspell, or can they also deal with aspell?
[13:57] <ogra_> pitti, thats a question for bfiller i think, his team does the keyboard
[13:57] <ogra_> (which has the dependency on hunspell)
[13:57] <ricmm> holy shit
[13:57] <seb128> pitti, what ogra_ said
[13:57] <pitti> ah, so it's not using libenchant or so
[13:57] <ricmm> mardy: you probably have qtubuntu-sensors installed
[13:57] <pitti> ok, thanks
[13:58] <bfiller> pitti: it currently uses hunspell
[13:58] <ricmm> oh my the u8 desktop session uses qtubuntu-sensors :) I woner why
[13:58] <bfiller> pitti: don't beleive it can use aspell currently
[13:58] <pitti> bfiller: ok, thanks; I figured for the RTM we might want Spanish spell support?
[13:58] <mardy> ricmm: indeed, let me try to remove it
[13:58] <ricmm> mardy: try removing qtubuntu-sensors, that will also get rid of the u8 desktop session
[13:58] <ricmm> and it will work
[13:58] <pitti> bfiller: but we don't seem to have a spanish my/hunspell dictionary, which is quite surprising
[13:58] <ricmm> I dont know where the bug lies tho... desktop session shouldnt be trying to bring up the phone sensors
[13:59] <bfiller> pitti: yes, there are quite a few langs missing hunspell packages
[13:59] <mardy> ricmm: my hero! \o/
[13:59] <tedg> boiko, dednick, no you'd need a custom url format for that.
[13:59] <pitti> bfiller: d'oh, I just missed myspell-es
[13:59] <pitti> bfiller: myspell and hunspell are by and large the same, that should work
[14:00] <bfiller> pitti: that's great, we can take a look at pulling it in
[14:00] <boiko> tedg: dednick: something like dialer://?view=liveCall ?
[14:00] <pete-woods> mardy: aha, I have it working (I think) with the following QML:
[14:00] <pete-woods> import Ubuntu.OnlineAccounts.Plugin 1.0
[14:00] <pete-woods> OAuthMain {
[14:00] <pete-woods> }
[14:01] <tedg> boiko, dednick: Yup, I think you'd need three /'s but yes.
[14:01] <tedg> boiko, dednick, not sure though, would have to look at the code :-)
[14:01] <boiko> tedg: I can check how it is done on address-book-app, it is used there already I think
[14:02] <tedg> boiko, Yeah, really if you can't use two it's a bug. But I'm not sure.
[14:06] <pitti> bfiller, ogra_, dpm: So on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/development-1406-touch-language-packs I now have a list of spell check dicts for which we (will) ship translations; we may consider installing them all (+30 MB), or only some selected ones
[14:07] <dpm> pitti, do you think in the future these might be clickifiable?
[14:07] <pitti> dpm: it requires teaching libhunspell to be able to look into click paths, or creating a hook for symlinking them into a common dir and then just looking there
[14:08] <pitti> dpm: so technically anything's possible, as long as someone wants to do the work :)
[14:08] <mterry> Cimi, hey, btw.  I wanted to let you know that I'm fixing the arch issues that seb128 mentioned with the wizard branch.  And I'm going to fix it to work in the new unsplit world again
[14:08] <Cimi> mterry, amazing
[14:08] <mterry> Cimi, just didn't want us both working on same thing or anything  :)
[14:09] <mterry> And I feel bad for the split/unsplit whiplash, so it made sense for me to do that  :)
[14:09] <pitti> bfiller: so I figure for RTM we might just add a few of those; we'll win some 70 MB with the touch specific langpacks, so we won't eat up half of that again with the spell dicts?
[14:10] <dpm> pitti, yeah, that's the part I'm interested in for now: "technically possible", so you think there wouldn't be any unsurmountable blocker to implement it (given enough time)? I was just worried that it might break our app isolation story or something
[14:16] <AskUbuntu> How can I directly boot into Ubuntu touch from my PC? | http://askubuntu.com/q/482805
[14:19] <mardy> pete-woods: yes :-) Now you need to get the username and set it on the account; it's not really required, but it makes the UIs look better
[14:24] <pete-woods> mardy: okay, I don't really understand what exactly that mean
[14:25] <pete-woods> is that what the "completeCreation" functions are for?
[14:26] <pete-woods> ahh, okay those functions make a little more sense now
[14:26] <mpt> Where do browser evangelism bugs belong? For example, a site advertising an on Google Play, or pointing at a non-existent “Add to Home Screen” button
[14:27] <mpt> *advertising an Android app on Google Play
[14:29] <mpt> Just put them in <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app> for now?
[14:31] <pmcgowan> mpt, yes unless its in a specific webapp
[14:32] <mpt> ok
[14:32] <mpt> Related: How do I clear my cookies for bug reproduction purposes? :-)
[14:40] <pete-woods> mardy: is there some information available on the reply object you get?
[14:41] <pete-woods> mardy: is it just the AuthToken you get? or do you get the full reply
[14:42] <pete-woods> just that the API claims to reponsd with user information inline
[14:42] <mardy> pete-woods: try to log it with JSON.stringify(reply), but I suspect that you won't find much there
[14:44] <pete-woods> mardy: where does the log go on the phone?
[14:45] <mardy> pete-woods: ah, use export UOA_LOGGING_LEVEL=2
[14:45] <mardy> export OAU_DAEMON_TIMEOUT=9000
[14:45] <mardy> killall online-accounts-ui
[14:45] <mardy> online-accounts-ui --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/online-accounts-ui.desktop
[14:46] <mardy> pete-woods: ^ and you'll see the logs in the terminal
[14:48] <pete-woods> mardy: I just seem to get the spinning blobs forever
[14:49] <mardy> pete-woods: ignore them, switch to the System Settings and open OA from there
[14:49] <pete-woods> ahh!
[14:52] <pete-woods> mardy: yeah, you were right, the original response is discarded at that point
[14:53] <mardy> pete-woods: you can file a bug on signon-plugin-oauth2, but anyway for the time being it's better if you just re-get it
[14:53] <pete-woods> mardy: yeah, that's no problem, just thought I might be able to take a shortcut
[15:04] <pete-woods> mardy: thanks for you help, I have it all working now :)
[15:04] <mardy> pete-woods: wow, that was quick!!
[15:05] <pete-woods> mardy: well an http request is easy to make when you know what it's supposed to be doing
[15:05] <pete-woods> my main problem was not really knowing what the calls were for :)
[15:05] <mardy> pete-woods: glad to have been of help :-)
[15:05] <pete-woods> :)
[15:22] <brendand> does anyone know how the application start animation is made to finish? is it some signal sent by the app, or a property of the apps state?
[15:32] <mpt> kenvandine, hi, did you have any questions about <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhoneApp>? I think you asked about the visuals on the SIM service screen, right?
[15:33] <kenvandine> mpt, yeah, i have a branch that displays that last time called
[15:34] <mpt> cool
[15:35] <kenvandine> mpt, it's a big screen to show that little info :)
[15:35] <mpt> yeah
[15:35] <mpt> I wonder if maybe it should instead be the same as the dialog that comes up when you tap a phone number in a Web page
[15:36] <kenvandine> i haven't seen that
[15:36] <kenvandine> mpt, got a visual i can look at?
[15:36] <mpt> That’s because it doesn’t exist yet :(
[15:36] <kenvandine> ah :)
[15:58] <mpt> kenvandine, it’s the same dialog that should come up if you tap a phone number that’s included in an SMS ;-)
[16:05] <kenvandine> mpt, i can't wait to see it :-p
[16:23] <mpt> kenvandine, I suspect it’s a post-1.0 thing
[16:23] <mpt> which means SIM Services needs its own for now
[16:24] <mpt> kenvandine, unless you want to implement it *instead* of that standalone screen … For now it would be one of those infernal snap-decision things
[16:24]  * kenvandine will pass :)
[16:27] <mpt> Okay, just added a note for now then. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhoneApp?action=diff&rev2=12&rev1=11>
[16:29] <kenvandine> mpt, thx
[17:10] <Agontuk> I have boot.img, android system.img and ubuntu tar.gz ready for testing. I'm confused about the installtion process. It says to use channel to download images which I don't have. How can I flash my images ?
[17:15] <Beldar> Agontuk, What is your device to be installed to?
[17:15] <Agontuk> sony xperia u (kumquat)
[17:16] <Beldar> Agontuk, Have you checked if it is on the support list?
[17:16] <Agontuk> no, it has no support. I'm sure
[17:17] <Beldar> Agontuk, Ah cool, your choice, you using ubuntu for an install?
[17:17] <Agontuk> yes, I'm on 14.04
[17:17] <Beldar> or linux in general
[17:18] <Beldar> Agontuk, Cool, the header has a links I thought to the ubuntu install hoeld on.
[17:19] <Beldar> Agontuk, for the touch, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[17:19] <Agontuk> I went to that link but it says deprecated instructions :(
[17:19] <Agontuk> I'm looking at this now http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[17:21] <Beldar> Agontuk, Same info as far as flashing touch
[17:22] <Beldar> the only thing available right now is the touch, no ubuntu desktop installs right now I believe
[17:24] <Agontuk> but instructions are for supported device :(
[17:25] <Beldar> Agontuk, So what is your end goal?
[17:26] <Beldar> what OS,,,etc
[17:27] <Agontuk> I just want to have a taste of ubuntu touch for now :)
[17:28] <Beldar> Agontuk, Sure, it is rather rough, not really a daily use setup, if that is what your expecting, looks nice, but is in development.
[17:29] <Agontuk> I already know that and I don't care for a stable version :D
[17:29] <Agontuk> so no other way to flash ?
[17:30] <Beldar> Agontuk, some have side loaded android leaves multiple options, I can't give you a play by play is all, I'm not up on all the possibilities
[17:31] <Beldar> actually the regular may be a side load not sure really
[17:35] <Agontuk> I'll look at other unofficial ports for now
[17:35] <Agontuk> thanks for your co-opeartion :)
[17:47] <Beldar> Agontuk, NO problem, wish I knew more, if we still had a desktop image I would.
[17:54] <Agontuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Download_.26_Installation
[17:54] <Agontuk> this should work, right ?
[18:01] <Beldar> Agontuk, Theoretically yes. ;)
[18:02] <Beldar> nice wafting huh
[18:03] <Beldar> Agontuk, I'm on 3 other channels so if you need me preface the post with my nick. ;)
[19:05] <ybon> it seems that I can't add an Ubuntu One account from UI since last image, but it's needed to download apps; can I set up this account from command line?
[19:06] <ybon> awe_: btw, I know how to reproduce the problem from last time, i.e. when I was not able to enter the pin code
[19:06] <fishscene> ybon: That is a good question. I'm not sure if the Ubuntu One closure is just for files or if the entire "Ubuntu One" service (name and everything) is being discontinued and closed out.
[19:06] <ybon> basically, it occurs when I hot-unplug the SIM card
[19:06] <ybon> fishscene: that would be a fun situation, given that we need it for downloading apps ;)
[19:07] <awe_> ybon, hot unplugging isn't supported
[19:07] <ybon> awe_: now I know it ;)
[19:07] <awe_> ybon, we have an open item that we need to fix to warn users of this
[19:07] <ybon> awe_: but the thing is that once you have done it, restarting has no effect
[19:08] <awe_> sure, but rebooting does, right?
[19:08] <ybon> I need to run the online-modem from command line
[19:08] <ybon> awe_: no
[19:08] <ybon> not event reinstalling
[19:08] <ybon> even*
[19:08] <awe_> so you're saying you hot swap your SIM and rebooting doesn't detect the SIM being PIN-locked?
[19:09] <ybon> yes
[19:09] <ybon> I've made the errors twice in my two phones just now
[19:10] <ybon> for both I needed to run online-modem
[19:10] <awe_> that's a different bug
[19:10] <ybon> and for one I've upgraded to last image but without success, and then ran the online-model
[19:10] <awe_> that's a problem with urfkill not properly onlining the modem
[19:10] <ybon> oh
[19:10] <ybon> are you sure?
[19:10] <ybon> last time it wasn't
[19:10] <awe_> if you reboot the phone
[19:10] <awe_> and the modem is not onlined
[19:10] <fishscene> ybon: Yea, it's unclear if the ubuntu one service is *completely* shutting down, or if it's just the part that deals with files. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne
[19:10] <awe_> this is an issue with urfkill
[19:10] <awe_> it's been discussed on the mailing-list recently
[19:10] <ybon> and this time I've needed to run online-modem too
[19:11] <awe_> we're in progress of making more fixes to urfkill to make sure this doesn't happen.
[19:11] <awe_> again, none of the PIN code will run unless the modem is online
[19:11] <ybon> fishscene: gasp
[19:11] <ybon> that makes sense
[19:11] <awe_> ofono's "Online" property controls the radio
[19:11] <awe_> it's what we use for FlightMode
[19:12] <ybon> awe_: only thing I'm "sure" is that if I hot unplug the SIM, then I cannot enter the pin even if I reboot or reinstall
[19:12] <awe_> and the problem is that there's a race condition that can leave the radio Offline after reboot
[19:12] <ybon> I need to run the online-model script
[19:12] <ybon> and then the problem disappear, I can reboot without problem
[19:12] <ybon> what I mean is that hot unplugging seems to leave some bad state somewhere
[19:13] <awe_> it's probably due to urfkill getting out of sync when the SIM is pulled
[19:13] <awe_> ybon, can you please file an ofono bug?
[19:13] <awe_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+filebug
[19:13] <ybon> okay, doing it
[19:13] <awe_> and make sure to include hardware used, image #, and steps to reproduce?
[19:13] <awe_> much thanks!
[19:14] <ybon> awe_: from last image, when I answer an SMS from top panel, the message doesn't appear in the SMS lists then, do you know which package I need to fill the issue in?
[19:14] <ybon> and if someone know how I can enter an UBuntu One account...
[19:21] <awe_> when you say SMS lists, do you mean in the messaging-app, or in the message menu?
[19:21] <awe_> I think those are your two potential packages to file the bug against
[19:22] <awe_> the package for the messaging menu is indicator-messages
[19:22] <awe_> I actually have to go offline for awhile; bbl
[19:22] <ybon> I mean in the messaging-app
[19:23] <ybon> thanks awe_ :)
[19:49] <ybon> humm, removing then adding the account seems to make it work, but now download fails :s
[19:50] <ybon> humm, no, download do work, install fails
[20:08] <fginther> mterry, I'm an idiot
[20:09] <mterry> fginther, what's up?
[20:10] <fginther> mterry, the unity8 qml job is fixed now. it was attempting to use the old trusty job instead of the utopic one. I must have missed a push the config file which will make the change permanent
[20:10] <mterry> fginther, oh nice.  Easy fix  :)
[20:10] <ybon> does that ring a bell to someone: E0613 22:08:39.688973  4417 downloads_db.cpp:147]  out of memory Error opening database ?
[20:11] <fginther> mterry, yep, easy fix. but I should have seen it yesterday
[20:38] <vthompson> jamesh, you around?
[20:55] <vthompson> balloons, are you around?
[21:01] <balloons> vthompson, howdy
[21:02] <vthompson> balloons, hey! So do you still have a device with the music app running mediascanner2.0 in a broken state?
[21:02] <balloons> vthompson, I can certainly try
[21:02] <balloons> I have the latest image
[21:03] <vthompson> It seems that an updated mediascanner2 on image 81 fixed my broken Nexus 4 with 900 songs.
[21:03] <balloons> oO excellent
[21:03] <balloons> let me try
[21:04] <balloons> vthompson, do the tests run?
[21:04] <vthompson> The mediascanner 2 team did some reindexing work that seems to possibly fixed part of the issue. Andrew still sees the issue on his laptop running trusty with 3000 tracks... so maybe it was made better, but totally fixed
[21:04] <vthompson> I haven't tried tests
[21:04] <balloons> indeed it shows fix released :-) https://bugs.launchpad.net/mediascanner2/+bug/1326753
[21:05] <vthompson> Well, that's just because the branches landed :)
[21:05] <vthompson> when we originally tested 2 of them they did not fix the issue
[21:06] <vthompson> but they also did some index work
[21:08] <balloons> ok, so the tests seem to use the existing library
[21:08] <balloons> but I agree it's not blowing up anymore
[21:08] <balloons> yay!
[21:09] <vthompson> cool, now to determine if their fix could be improved, but this might be good enough since the Nexus 4 can't really hold 3000 songs reasonably
[21:10] <vthompson> balloons, for reference, how many songs did you have on the device when the app would blow up?
[21:13] <balloons> vthompson, it mattered not
[21:13] <balloons> i tried 0 songs
[21:13] <balloons> I never had more than 10 tho
[21:13] <balloons> I lost my entire collection
[21:13] <vthompson> oh wow, well there goes my theory about the library size mattering
[21:14] <balloons> the collection loss is a different story
[21:14] <vthompson> yea :)
[21:14] <balloons> it was weird.. andrew had it working in some weird cases, I couldn't get it to work at all and neither could popey
[21:15] <vthompson> I could only make it work when I would spoon feed a few files at a time over MTP. To me it seemed like if it choked while scanning the issue would arise
[21:16] <vthompson> balloons, did the app take around 1 minute to start for you as well?
[21:21] <balloons> vthompson, it just core dumped on load
[21:21] <balloons> vthompson, now it popped right up
[21:21] <balloons> but I have 3 songs :-)
[21:23] <vthompson> balloons, so it crashed the first launch and then the second launch it fired up quickly?
[21:31] <balloons> vthompson, no everything is fine atm
[21:31] <balloons> I was telling you how it used to be
[21:31] <balloons> started right up
[21:31] <balloons> no pause wait or lag
[21:31] <balloons> I have 3 songs
[21:31] <balloons> before today it simply crashed no matter what library sie
[21:32] <vthompson> I see. Maybe I should trim my library and it wont take as long at start up. The startup with the loading animation is around 60 seconds with my 900 songs
[21:39] <balloons> thats long
[21:39] <balloons> does it get better second start?
[21:40] <vthompson> Nope it seems consistent. There seem to sometimes be some app issues on our end where 1) the next button does not do anything and 2) the play/pause button is disabled completely
[21:41] <vthompson> I think the time issue is just another dbus thing, the app seems to try to connect (via mediascanner2's plugin) to dbus and gets a few messages to dbus that were the same as what would previously crash the app
[21:49] <balloons> vthompson, I have to run.. i'm glad to see some progress on this front.. crazy how much ms2 has caused
[21:51] <vthompson> balloons, have a good afternoon!
[23:17] <robotfuel> are there any unity8 people around who can triage a crash bug?