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daftykinsD:00:01
shaunoother fun one to note is that bsd's dd doesn't respond well do sigusr1.  it just quits.00:03
daftykinsaww :(00:03
daftykinsi kinda wish there was a dd that constantly printed stats00:03
daftykinsstats are great.00:04
shauno"wow, this is taking ages .. I think I'll accidentally kill it and start again"00:04
daftykins>:D00:04
daftykinsyou know what took ages? cyanogenmod's 200MB zip copied over USB to this phone at 900KB/sec haha :D00:04
shaunooh that sounds like fun :)00:05
shaunoI still don't get the attraction of android :/00:08
daftykinsare you an iPhone man?00:08
shaunoyeah00:08
daftykinsi find them really illogical devices to use00:08
daftykinswell, that's not entirely fair - basially their approach just doesn't work for me00:09
shaunoI have trust issues with google00:09
daftykinsi love that i could just unlock the bootloader of this HTC and put a vanilla OS on instead of HTC's atrocious thing00:09
daftykinsyeah, i guess they're not great in some ways, but i don't see Apple being any better00:09
shaunoapple want my wallet, google want my data00:10
shaunoI'm much more comfortable with the wallet relationship because I control it00:10
daftykins:)00:10
diddledanshauno: bsd's dd (or at least apple's) responds to SIGINFO00:11
shaunoand then there's fun nerdy stuff, like ios actually supports ipv6 properly00:11
daftykinsi see no practical use for that00:11
daftykinsmy ISP hasn't even switched yet =/00:12
diddledanthe half of the internet hosted at amazon can't switch or dualstack yet because amazon have thus far refused to turn v6 on00:13
shaunoI think it's a pretty weird thing for an OS to neglect in 201400:13
diddledanand because amazon havent the isp says not enough benefit and because the isp refuses amazon does the same00:13
shaunoit's even weirder that android has managed to break parts that worked fine in linux00:14
diddledano_O00:14
diddledanhowso?00:14
shaunoconnect an android device to a network which has v6, but either doesn't have v4, or doesn't have dhcp on v400:14
shaunoit'll bring up v6, send a dhcp request on v4.  and then teardown v6 when it times out waiting for a dhcp response on v400:15
diddledanam I going to have to turn off dhcp to test?00:15
daftykinsis this not a sweeping statement based on a specific version?00:15
diddledans/to/and/00:15
diddledanobviously if I were going to test I'd need to turn off dhcp - that wasn't the question, the question was more "should I test"00:15
shaunohttps://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3263000:16
daftykinsthere's definitely some quirky stuff going on, i think they said VPN usage is broken on the latest android versions (Nexus devices)00:16
diddledanoddness, IPv6 isn't routing for me00:21
diddledanit used to work00:21
daftykinsanyone got a net connection with native v4 and v6? i'm curious how it displays it00:22
daftykins'cause mines web admin makes it look like you can only see the v4 address00:22
daftykinssort of... no room to show v6's00:22
diddledanoh that'll be why - I turned IP6 to LL-only while testing something00:24
diddledandamn, it's friday the thirteenth00:26
diddledanwhat's gonna go wrong?00:27
shaunoit's friday?!00:27
diddledankinda00:27
daftykinsmostly00:28
daftykins;D00:28
shaunowell that's handy I guess00:30
shaunoI thought it was saturday.  I was waiting until monday to do something, but if tomorrow's friday I can do it then instead00:30
shaunohm.  that also means I should go to sleep tonight00:33
diddledansleep?!?!?!!00:35
shaunomhm.00:38
shaunoI don't mind not sleeping, but I tend to adopt the appearance of a crackhead.00:38
shaunoI have to go talk to the bank sometime soon, so that may not be optimal00:38
daftykins:D00:39
daftykinswhilst my parents new PC was installing updates, i went out into the garden00:39
daftykinsi suddenly realised how deathly pale i look in proper sunlight00:39
diddledanwant a shoddy scare mongering politico? go to australia: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/julie-bishops-websites-cost-113000-20140605-zrxlh.html00:43
daftykinsbut websites are magic00:44
diddledanand a response: http://www.poststat.us/fear-mongering-journalist-pointlessly-blasts-wordpress/00:44
ali1234i'll make you a wordpress site for half that00:54
ali1234also 5 hours per week maintenance? lol00:54
shaunothere's probably a lot more going on than just the site itself.  the ones they're actually complaining about, price-wise, are running on Sharepoint00:55
ali1234ah00:56
daftykinsugh sharepoint00:56
shaunoeasily missed when both the original article & the rebutal spend most their time on the fact her own site is on wordpress, which is a completely disconnected issue00:58
daftykins=]00:59
shaunodo xml documents actually require a root element? or am I going nuts01:00
diddledanshauno: I think that depends on the parser01:00
diddledanshauno: e.g. xmpp is a stream of independant xml root elements which effectively makes the stream rootless01:01
shaunohm.  I'll have to remember that for my next "why on earth is this using xml" rant01:01
diddledanJSON is a much friendlier format01:02
diddledanand many languages support it as a native thing (the way that javascript would treat it)01:02
shaunohaving with something that "sort of" uses xml files for configuration.  except I'm not convinced they're actually xml01:04
diddledanI used to be an advocate of xml. I question my sanity now01:04
diddledanevil xml example number 1: apple's .plist format01:05
diddledanapple completely failed to understand what xml was about01:05
diddledanxml element says to parser: "and the next config you're about to read, is boolean. what do you mean it's not part of me?"01:06
shaunohah, yeah.  that one still boggles my mind01:06
diddledanit seems they wanted to use xml but didn't want any of that xml-crap01:07
diddledane.g. anything defined by the xml spec01:08
diddledanthe only similarity is it has <tags>01:08
shaunoit's an interesting challenge actually trying to parse it though01:09
diddledanhttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/MVr9dyzk01:10
diddledanI think they worked off the idea that you won't keep the document in memory to manipulate but instead run it through as a stream01:10
diddledanwhich means modern xml parsers can't handle it01:11
diddledanI believe the xml spec specifically makes a point that documents have no order01:13
diddledansomething that apple requires01:14
shaunoright.  that's what makes parsing it fun.  it's almost entirely abusing nth-child01:15
shaunoand praying no-one uses a dict in a value :/01:15
shaunoI coulda swore I kept a backup of my retropie config, but apparently not.  so I think I'll shelf it for tonight01:16
diddledan"do you ever use your dictaphone?" : "no I use my fingers like everyone else"01:16
diddledansorry, you just reminded me of that01:17
shaunoremind me to get you spayed01:17
diddledanI know you love me really01:18
diddledanbut being that I'm a guy, and you're a guy, I suppose you have trouble admitting it for fear of "catching gay"01:19
diddledanI hear from the religious south that just watching bambi is enough to convert a young man into a raging homosexual. and then once one person in the community has caught it they go around infecting everyone else.01:21
diddledankinda like the film contagion - only worse01:22
diddledan</troll>01:23
shaunothis I may never understand; http://i.imgur.com/ko78wTt.png01:42
shaunoI mean, it's not dialup bad, but it feels like it01:43
diddledanwtf? that's crazyslow01:44
shaunoyup01:49
shaunoif you hang a use disk off one of their routers, write operations seem to be incredibly slow.  and creating a metric buttload of hardlinks is a lot of individual write operations01:50
diddledanhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6iW-8xPw3k01:50
diddledanI've got mine plugged-in via USB01:51
diddledanthat video goes with this article about hacking holes-in-the-wall: http://www.maximumpc.com/teens_demonstrate_easiest_way_hack_atm_rtfm_201401:51
mappsah got my favourite popup01:53
mappsKEVINS GOLDEN GOOSE01:53
mapps:d01:53
shaunosee this I don't get.  that maximumpc site is advertising my isp to me.  for a bundle lower than I'm currently on.  and showing the "first 6 months" price that I can't get because I'm an existing customer01:54
daftykins:/01:56
daftykinscould you cancel then sign up again? :D01:56
shaunoeveryone claims they track us to make advertising "more relevant".  and it's hogwash01:56
shaunoeg, facebook lately is full of adverts for a hotel that "still has rooms left".  a hotel I've already booked.01:56
diddledanshauno: doesn't stop them tracking you01:57
shaunoI get amazon ads for things I've just bought too01:57
diddledan>.<01:57
daftykinshttp://www.maximumpc.com/files/u22694/beautyflat.jpg01:58
daftykinshaha my same speaker set01:58
daftykinshilarious how many places it shows up01:58
shaunohah, I was just looking at that too01:59
diddledanneeds moar screens01:59
daftykinsand better screens at that01:59
daftykinsthose look a tad basic for such an effort to go to :D01:59
shaunoI'm not sure I'd agree with "and looked good in the living room" though02:00
daftykinsindeed02:01
shaunoanyway, bedtime :)02:03
daftykinsnn sir02:04
daftykinsah, Captain Scarlet amuses me so02:04
daftykinsthe way they say "SIG" to each other, i like to think it really means s*** is good, not 'Spectrum is Green'02:05
diddledanperhaps they acronymed s*** is good and then backronymed to spectrum is green and told everyone that's what it always meant?02:08
daftykins>:D02:08
daftykinswell, sadly they say it longhand sometimes too02:08
diddledandoes anyone have any experience with vyatta (or the now opensource project fork vyos as would be what I would install - brocade bought the original and ceased releasing the community edition)02:18
daftykinsannoying when takeovers do that02:19
mappsoff in 30mins02:23
mapps:D02:23
daftykins\o/02:23
mappsiphone/nexus7/netbook:D02:25
mappsnexus7 for flight..cant use a netbook no room really02:25
daftykinslol02:25
daftykinstrue gadget geekery02:25
mappsja02:25
daftykinsi think i'll go to the wedding at the end of the month without a lappy02:25
daftykinsonly 3 or 4 days :>02:26
mappspffff02:26
mappsbut why02:26
daftykinsnice to have a break02:27
mappspfff02:28
mappslies02:28
daftykins;]02:31
MooDoomorning all06:04
knightwisemorning Moodoo06:11
knightwiseanyone else noticed that 14.04 has a hard time connecting to bleutooth mice ?06:29
knightwiseCannot for the life of me connect my macbook pro to my apple touchpad OR my apple mouse06:30
knightwisestrange.06:30
dwatkinsallo allo07:12
Myrttigah. what a morning07:13
nigelbouch07:13
nigelbthat's not a good start :)07:13
dwatkinshope things improve, Myrtti07:13
Myrttiit's not bad, I just feel like someone has whacked me with a bag full of sleep sprinkles07:14
MyrttiI do hate summer a bit07:15
* dwatkins sends Myrtti some Scottish rain07:15
Myrttiit's hot, because it's summer. Can't keep the windows open really, because bugs and pollen. If you do keep windows open, they won't help a lot because you'd need to keep the curtains open too. If you keep curtains open, you wake up at latest 5am (if in UK).07:16
MooDooI could easily lie down at my desk and go to sleep lol07:16
MyrttiWinter is lovely. Less bugs, nights are dark, and temperature can be adjusted with woollen socks and radiators.07:17
Myrttino pollen either07:17
dwatkinsWinter is coming.07:22
diddledanonly 4 months07:32
dwatkinsindeed, and only 193 sleeps until christmas07:37
MooDooyay07:38
popeyMorning!07:41
popeyHow many sleeps until we stop hearing about a) World Cup, and b) Scotland07:41
MyrttiI actually kinda watched the first game yesterday07:41
Myrttiwell, the last half at least07:42
Myrttifootball I'm not too keen on but it's still a tradition to try atleast to watch the first game07:42
popeyahh07:43
Myrttiice hockey on the other hand... a bit more interested in that. Not enough to keep a tab on NHL or the Finnish league, but Olympics and the World Championships07:44
czajkowskipopey: best app to use for twitter on ubuntu ?07:49
popeyi use tweetdeck in a browser tab07:49
czajkowskicant use that atm though07:49
popeyhave done for some time because all twitter clients suck07:49
popeywhy not?07:49
czajkowskiah it's been fixed07:49
popey♥ that thing?07:50
czajkowskihttp://gizmodo.com/if-you-use-tweetdeck-for-chrome-you-should-log-out-now-158932365407:50
czajkowskithere was an issue this week07:50
czajkowskidear sweden why are you so god damn expensive!07:50
popeyindeed, there was.07:53
MyrttiI first thought I'd answer that but I noticed it wasn't really a question07:55
czajkowskiMyrtti: ;)07:55
czajkowskiMyrtti: just looking at yesterdays receipts I got a cab as in a hurry from the station to my hotel which cost 25 quid07:56
czajkowskiand the train from the airport to the station was 20 quid07:56
Myrttibut the short answer would be distance from more fertile and sunny areas of Europe, distance between habitational areas and no oil reserves of their own.07:56
czajkowskiwhich was a lot better value. just boggling how they have tourists here07:56
popeyeverywhere has tourists07:56
czajkowskishall walk to the station today, 13 min walk :)07:56
czajkowskiOslo was very pretty on tuesday, Helsinki on wednesday meant I got ot meet jussi which was nice! but everything there is so massively spread out.07:57
Myrttitourists are usually instructed and nudged to use tourist bus passes07:57
Myrttis/bus/public transport/07:58
Myrttiah, forgot to mention the amount of capital tied to brick walls due to higher building and upkeep costs.07:58
Myrttiboo, no mail for us :-(08:00
czajkowskistill it's been nice to visit over here, but as of today no more travel for a week! \o/08:02
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Friday, and happy Sewing Machine Day! :-D08:04
bashrchappy sewing machine day08:06
MooDooIt's friday the 13th, that overrides any other day :)08:14
popeypffft08:15
foobarrydon't tell my wife its sewing machine day08:21
foobarryevery day is sewing machine day in our house08:21
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:21
* dwatkins finally gets business cards08:22
TwistedLuciditydwatkins: How many spelling mistooks? :-)08:25
dwatkinsthankfully none, TwistedLucidity08:25
dwatkinsI checked the form several times before submitting08:25
TwistedLucidityI have a simple surname. The number of times people get in wrong staggers me.08:26
knightwisedoes anyone know what terminal app Elementary Uses ?08:27
knightwiseI would  love to use that theme on my Ubuntu standard install08:27
diddledanI've got a private nameserver set up on a non-routable IP. I'm wondering if I can use a public NS delegation record to point to the private server so it works seamlessly without having to change my lan to use the private dns server as it's forwarder?08:28
diddledanI ask because I set up just such a record last night and it still isn't working - the NS record itself comes out of public dns fine08:28
foobarrypantheon-terminal08:28
foobarryknightwise:  ^^08:28
foobarrythere is also an elementary theme08:29
knightwisefoobarry: :) Too bad the nobel prizes for smartasses are all handed out08:29
knightwisefoobarry: elementary theme for ubuntu ?08:29
foobarryyes08:29
knightwiseahaa08:31
knightwisejust found it08:31
knightwiseinteresting :)08:31
knightwiseany of you guys using a bleutooth mouse on 14.0108:34
knightwise14.0408:34
diddledanlooks like my problem is with google's public forwarding nameservers - a query for subdomain.example.com specifically asking for ns records from 8.8.8.8 returns correctly but changing the query to any returns a blank result08:34
diddledanopendns' servers respond correctly08:35
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:36
diddledanoh I tell a lie, it's my ISP I'm querying08:36
diddledanchanging to a more reliable resolving server still doens't fix my problem tho08:39
diddledanI can query the server I've delegated to fine and I can query the delegation but for some reason my systems aren't completing the lookup08:39
diddledanok, maybe this will fix my problem, but doesn't answer the initial question as to whether it's possible: I've told my router to split dns requests for my subdomain.example.com to the correct server without relying on NS record resolution08:44
davmor2bigcalm: you up yet?08:47
bigcalm¬,¬08:48
bigcalmdavmor2: I've been up since 8.45am08:48
bigcalmWhich is a very early start for me08:48
davmor2bigcalm: I finally found a really nice image for xoom do you want the details?08:49
davmor2cm11 4.4.2 :)08:49
MooDoodavmor2: I've removed CM from my phone, it was a bag of poo on my s3, running miui now08:53
bigcalmdavmor2: sure. breath some life into the old dog08:56
davmor2MooDoo: yeah but still gets update the xoom has had none for ages I think it was android 4.0 or 4.1 so half the apps no longer work08:56
MooDoodavmor2: that's the only down side i have it's 4.1.108:57
dwatkinsI'm still running CM 7.0.1 on my Desire HD, it's based on Gingerbread.09:08
foobarrydwatkins: my htc desire will be retired when i get a moto G LTE version09:10
foobarryrunning CM709:10
foobarrysomeone is "vape-ing" in the office :-|09:13
bigcalmFarting?09:14
foobarrynot comfortable with it.09:14
foobarryno, e-cig09:14
dwatkinsfoobarry: yeah, one of my colleagues has one of those, it's very disconcerting09:17
popeyisn't it just glycerol?09:17
dwatkinsit creates visible vapour and there's also nicotine in it, of course09:17
foobarryyep09:18
Myrttiand flavours and possibly nicotine09:18
foobarryconsidering we have staff members who throw a paddy when air con is turned on, i don't think e-cig will be looked on favourably09:18
dwatkinsheh, I wish our air con would get turned off - it's set to permanently heat my part of the office09:19
foobarry4.4. Users are not permitted to smoke in any area of the Library (Smoking electronic cigarettes to be included within this regulation).09:21
foobarryprobably applies to other offices09:21
foobarrythe smoking policy is well outdated09:22
foobarrySmoking09:22
foobarryrefers to smoking tobacco or anything which contains tobacco, or smoking09:22
foobarryany other substance. Smoking also includes being in posse09:22
foobarryssion of lit tobacco or of09:22
foobarryanything lit which contains tobacco, or bei09:22
foobarryng in possession of any other lit substance09:22
foobarryin a form which it could be smoked09:22
foobarry109:22
foobarryreading a book with rubbish photography, and in the intro the author says, yeah i'm rubbish at photography :-| even though the photos are a really important part of the book. i thought publishers were more professional than this :o|09:27
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davmor2MooDoo: did you have a play with lxc yet?10:22
SuperMatt<3 lxc10:22
SuperMattmay more than docker10:22
SuperMatt^way10:22
davmor2SuperMatt: did you see the lxc uos sessions they look awesome lxc nesting looks crazy10:24
SuperMattI didn't10:25
SuperMattI will go back and watch them though10:25
SuperMattI was the company to use lxc more10:25
MooDoodavmor2: no not yet, I've not got the memory for my dedi yet which should come today, I'll then need to install ubuntu and then play with it10:39
MooDoodavmor2: well it doesn't look to hard lxc-create etc10:40
davmor2MooDoo: muhahahahaha10:41
MooDoodavmor2: oh I see luring me into a false sense of security eh?  I might as well just bloomin learn juju over night10:42
popey\o/ lxc10:42
popeyi use lxc at home, tis fun10:43
MooDoopopey: davmor2 has conned me into trying it now i've got a new server at home10:43
popeyhah10:43
popeyi used juju for a bit at home10:43
popeywhich can use lxc underneath the covers10:43
popeyjuju deploy minecraft10:43
popey10:43
popeyinstant minecraft server for a quick game, then destroy it when done10:43
bigcalmI miss snowflake10:45
popeysnowflake?10:47
popeyoh, did she shut it down?10:47
bigcalmSomething like the server can't run mc any more10:49
bigcalmI lack details to impart10:49
popeyok10:51
MooDoomy son loves minecraft :)10:59
davmor2MooDoo: Juju and lxc rock,  Juju + lxc + a cloud account rock harder11:00
diddledanI'm hungry11:04
davmor2diddledan: pleased to meet you Hungry I'm Dave11:14
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MooDoodavmor2: I'll stick with stock ubuntu and lxc while I play with it.11:38
bigcalmIf I want to install a package from a .deb that I already have installed from the repos, should I uninstall the installed version 1st?;11:39
popeybigcalm: no11:50
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foobarryhttp://www.linuxvoice.com/free-sample-issue-2/13:43
bigcalmpopey: ta13:56
awilkinsShiny, ice-cream tub-bot13:58
* awilkins reflects that in a more innocent age, "tub-bot" would not conjure forth awful images13:58
davmor2awilkins: you were thinking robot wars with a bot made from a cast iron bath tub too right ?14:05
bigcalmawilkins: stop saying tub14:07
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awilkins|tubSo, Canada has a gay head of state now.14:11
TwistedLucidityawilkins|tub: Nice to have a happy politician for a change.14:17
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ali1234i tried to use juju yesterday: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju-core/+bug/132942914:28
lubotu3Launchpad bug 1329429 in juju-core (Ubuntu) "local bootstrap fails" [Undecided,New]14:28
foobarryi can taste that vape pipe15:05
foobarrywhen it is smoked near me15:05
foobarryis it national go home early day today?15:11
popeyI might go and light the bbq15:12
TwistedLucidityIt's post release round my way. We're having a breather....15:13
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diddledanawilkins|tub: it's not as bad as combining tub and girl15:43
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awilkinsYou're a bad man15:44
diddledanhehe15:44
diddledanyes. yes I am.15:44
diddledaninteresting, I just received an email from synergy-project.org detailing https://synergy-enterprise.com15:45
bigcalmThe release email is buzz word tastic!15:46
bigcalm"With Synergy Enterprise we provide a professional solution backed by enterprise-level technical support. Our bug prioritization and feature selection process is carefully tailored to customer requirements and appropriateness for the commercial environment."15:47
diddledanit's not badly priced either: $79/use15:48
diddledanuser15:48
diddledanlet me try that again: $79/user/year15:48
shaunothat's a pretty terrible webpage though :/15:56
bigcalm$79 per mouse movement15:56
bigcalmHeh15:56
shaunothe actual "what is synergy" bit looks like fineprint15:57
bigcalmEarly finish so I can drive to south wales!16:00
bigcalmWas meant to finish earlier, but work has been relentless16:01
bigcalmHave a good weekend peeps16:01
shaunoI'm not sure how to say "have fun in south wales" without sounding like I'm taking the mick ;)16:03
bigcalmshauno: you sound like my boss :P16:13
bigcalmGoing to spend time in the Brecon Beacons16:14
diddledanleisure suit larry reloaded is currently $3.99 over on gog.com (drm free)16:14
diddledanwindows and mac only tho16:14
bigcalmMight run on wine16:14
* bigcalm disappears16:15
shaunoI thoguht most the gog games were in dosbox containers?16:48
diddledanonly the ones that started out as dos games16:49
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diddledanI'm not sure I agree with this: http://blog.rht.com/real-reason-became-developer/17:05
mappsyo17:05
mappswell that aint ideal18:18
mappslayed a horse based on my pictures and just lost 1200 quid18:18
mappsdidnt know i ws 5 seconds behind18:18
diddledano_O18:44
gebbionelife is a bitch18:45
daftykinsok.18:46
mappsyep18:46
mapps:D18:46
mappsjust kinda annoying..being that im at a diasvantage18:47
mappsdisadvantage18:47
mappsbut who cares18:47
mappsi  bet mexico and under 2.5 ;018:53
mappsive bet spain and over for the next game :D18:53
ali1234does anyone know where i can get a static busybox 2.0 for armel?18:57
diddledanali1234: compile it18:58
ali1234nvm i found it in sid19:01
ali1234and it's 1.22 not 2.019:01
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diddledan_we've got lightning directly overhead23:49
diddledan_I'm skeered23:49

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