[00:01] D: [00:03] other fun one to note is that bsd's dd doesn't respond well do sigusr1. it just quits. [00:03] aww :( [00:03] i kinda wish there was a dd that constantly printed stats [00:04] stats are great. [00:04] "wow, this is taking ages .. I think I'll accidentally kill it and start again" [00:04] >:D [00:04] you know what took ages? cyanogenmod's 200MB zip copied over USB to this phone at 900KB/sec haha :D [00:05] oh that sounds like fun :) [00:08] I still don't get the attraction of android :/ [00:08] are you an iPhone man? [00:08] yeah [00:08] i find them really illogical devices to use [00:09] well, that's not entirely fair - basially their approach just doesn't work for me [00:09] I have trust issues with google [00:09] i love that i could just unlock the bootloader of this HTC and put a vanilla OS on instead of HTC's atrocious thing [00:09] yeah, i guess they're not great in some ways, but i don't see Apple being any better [00:10] apple want my wallet, google want my data [00:10] I'm much more comfortable with the wallet relationship because I control it [00:10] :) [00:11] shauno: bsd's dd (or at least apple's) responds to SIGINFO [00:11] and then there's fun nerdy stuff, like ios actually supports ipv6 properly [00:11] i see no practical use for that [00:12] my ISP hasn't even switched yet =/ [00:13] the half of the internet hosted at amazon can't switch or dualstack yet because amazon have thus far refused to turn v6 on [00:13] I think it's a pretty weird thing for an OS to neglect in 2014 [00:13] and because amazon havent the isp says not enough benefit and because the isp refuses amazon does the same [00:14] it's even weirder that android has managed to break parts that worked fine in linux [00:14] o_O [00:14] howso? [00:14] connect an android device to a network which has v6, but either doesn't have v4, or doesn't have dhcp on v4 [00:15] it'll bring up v6, send a dhcp request on v4. and then teardown v6 when it times out waiting for a dhcp response on v4 [00:15] am I going to have to turn off dhcp to test? [00:15] is this not a sweeping statement based on a specific version? [00:15] s/to/and/ [00:15] obviously if I were going to test I'd need to turn off dhcp - that wasn't the question, the question was more "should I test" [00:16] https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=32630 [00:16] there's definitely some quirky stuff going on, i think they said VPN usage is broken on the latest android versions (Nexus devices) [00:21] oddness, IPv6 isn't routing for me [00:21] it used to work [00:22] anyone got a net connection with native v4 and v6? i'm curious how it displays it [00:22] 'cause mines web admin makes it look like you can only see the v4 address [00:22] sort of... no room to show v6's [00:24] oh that'll be why - I turned IP6 to LL-only while testing something [00:26] damn, it's friday the thirteenth [00:27] what's gonna go wrong? [00:27] it's friday?! [00:27] kinda [00:28] mostly [00:28] ;D [00:30] well that's handy I guess [00:30] I thought it was saturday. I was waiting until monday to do something, but if tomorrow's friday I can do it then instead [00:33] hm. that also means I should go to sleep tonight [00:35] sleep?!?!?!! [00:38] mhm. [00:38] I don't mind not sleeping, but I tend to adopt the appearance of a crackhead. [00:38] I have to go talk to the bank sometime soon, so that may not be optimal [00:39] :D [00:39] whilst my parents new PC was installing updates, i went out into the garden [00:39] i suddenly realised how deathly pale i look in proper sunlight [00:43] want a shoddy scare mongering politico? go to australia: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/julie-bishops-websites-cost-113000-20140605-zrxlh.html [00:44] but websites are magic [00:44] and a response: http://www.poststat.us/fear-mongering-journalist-pointlessly-blasts-wordpress/ [00:54] i'll make you a wordpress site for half that [00:54] also 5 hours per week maintenance? lol [00:55] there's probably a lot more going on than just the site itself. the ones they're actually complaining about, price-wise, are running on Sharepoint [00:56] ah [00:56] ugh sharepoint [00:58] easily missed when both the original article & the rebutal spend most their time on the fact her own site is on wordpress, which is a completely disconnected issue [00:59] =] [01:00] do xml documents actually require a root element? or am I going nuts [01:00] shauno: I think that depends on the parser [01:01] shauno: e.g. xmpp is a stream of independant xml root elements which effectively makes the stream rootless [01:01] hm. I'll have to remember that for my next "why on earth is this using xml" rant [01:02] JSON is a much friendlier format [01:02] and many languages support it as a native thing (the way that javascript would treat it) [01:04] having with something that "sort of" uses xml files for configuration. except I'm not convinced they're actually xml [01:04] I used to be an advocate of xml. I question my sanity now [01:05] evil xml example number 1: apple's .plist format [01:05] apple completely failed to understand what xml was about [01:06] xml element says to parser: "and the next config you're about to read, is boolean. what do you mean it's not part of me?" [01:06] hah, yeah. that one still boggles my mind [01:07] it seems they wanted to use xml but didn't want any of that xml-crap [01:08] e.g. anything defined by the xml spec [01:08] the only similarity is it has [01:09] it's an interesting challenge actually trying to parse it though [01:10] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/MVr9dyzk [01:10] I think they worked off the idea that you won't keep the document in memory to manipulate but instead run it through as a stream [01:11] which means modern xml parsers can't handle it [01:13] I believe the xml spec specifically makes a point that documents have no order [01:14] something that apple requires [01:15] right. that's what makes parsing it fun. it's almost entirely abusing nth-child [01:15] and praying no-one uses a dict in a value :/ [01:16] I coulda swore I kept a backup of my retropie config, but apparently not. so I think I'll shelf it for tonight [01:16] "do you ever use your dictaphone?" : "no I use my fingers like everyone else" [01:17] sorry, you just reminded me of that [01:17] remind me to get you spayed [01:18] I know you love me really [01:19] but being that I'm a guy, and you're a guy, I suppose you have trouble admitting it for fear of "catching gay" [01:21] I hear from the religious south that just watching bambi is enough to convert a young man into a raging homosexual. and then once one person in the community has caught it they go around infecting everyone else. [01:22] kinda like the film contagion - only worse [01:23] [01:42] this I may never understand; http://i.imgur.com/ko78wTt.png [01:43] I mean, it's not dialup bad, but it feels like it [01:44] wtf? that's crazyslow [01:49] yup [01:50] if you hang a use disk off one of their routers, write operations seem to be incredibly slow. and creating a metric buttload of hardlinks is a lot of individual write operations [01:50] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6iW-8xPw3k [01:51] I've got mine plugged-in via USB [01:51] that video goes with this article about hacking holes-in-the-wall: http://www.maximumpc.com/teens_demonstrate_easiest_way_hack_atm_rtfm_2014 [01:53] ah got my favourite popup [01:53] KEVINS GOLDEN GOOSE [01:53] :d [01:54] see this I don't get. that maximumpc site is advertising my isp to me. for a bundle lower than I'm currently on. and showing the "first 6 months" price that I can't get because I'm an existing customer [01:56] :/ [01:56] could you cancel then sign up again? :D [01:56] everyone claims they track us to make advertising "more relevant". and it's hogwash [01:56] eg, facebook lately is full of adverts for a hotel that "still has rooms left". a hotel I've already booked. [01:57] shauno: doesn't stop them tracking you [01:57] I get amazon ads for things I've just bought too [01:57] >.< [01:58] http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u22694/beautyflat.jpg [01:58] haha my same speaker set [01:58] hilarious how many places it shows up [01:59] hah, I was just looking at that too [01:59] needs moar screens [01:59] and better screens at that [01:59] those look a tad basic for such an effort to go to :D [02:00] I'm not sure I'd agree with "and looked good in the living room" though [02:01] indeed [02:03] anyway, bedtime :) [02:04] nn sir [02:04] ah, Captain Scarlet amuses me so [02:05] the way they say "SIG" to each other, i like to think it really means s*** is good, not 'Spectrum is Green' [02:08] perhaps they acronymed s*** is good and then backronymed to spectrum is green and told everyone that's what it always meant? [02:08] >:D [02:08] well, sadly they say it longhand sometimes too [02:18] does anyone have any experience with vyatta (or the now opensource project fork vyos as would be what I would install - brocade bought the original and ceased releasing the community edition) [02:19] annoying when takeovers do that [02:23] off in 30mins [02:23] :D [02:23] \o/ [02:25] iphone/nexus7/netbook:D [02:25] nexus7 for flight..cant use a netbook no room really [02:25] lol [02:25] true gadget geekery [02:25] ja [02:25] i think i'll go to the wedding at the end of the month without a lappy [02:26] only 3 or 4 days :> [02:26] pffff [02:26] but why [02:27] nice to have a break [02:28] pfff [02:28] lies [02:31] ;] [06:04] morning all [06:11] morning Moodoo [06:29] anyone else noticed that 14.04 has a hard time connecting to bleutooth mice ? [06:30] Cannot for the life of me connect my macbook pro to my apple touchpad OR my apple mouse [06:30] strange. [07:12] allo allo [07:13] gah. what a morning [07:13] ouch [07:13] that's not a good start :) [07:13] hope things improve, Myrtti [07:14] it's not bad, I just feel like someone has whacked me with a bag full of sleep sprinkles [07:15] I do hate summer a bit [07:15] * dwatkins sends Myrtti some Scottish rain [07:16] it's hot, because it's summer. Can't keep the windows open really, because bugs and pollen. If you do keep windows open, they won't help a lot because you'd need to keep the curtains open too. If you keep curtains open, you wake up at latest 5am (if in UK). [07:16] I could easily lie down at my desk and go to sleep lol [07:17] Winter is lovely. Less bugs, nights are dark, and temperature can be adjusted with woollen socks and radiators. [07:17] no pollen either [07:22] Winter is coming. [07:32] only 4 months [07:37] indeed, and only 193 sleeps until christmas [07:38] yay [07:41] Morning! [07:41] How many sleeps until we stop hearing about a) World Cup, and b) Scotland [07:41] I actually kinda watched the first game yesterday [07:42] well, the last half at least [07:42] football I'm not too keen on but it's still a tradition to try atleast to watch the first game [07:43] ahh [07:44] ice hockey on the other hand... a bit more interested in that. Not enough to keep a tab on NHL or the Finnish league, but Olympics and the World Championships [07:49] popey: best app to use for twitter on ubuntu ? [07:49] i use tweetdeck in a browser tab [07:49] cant use that atm though [07:49] have done for some time because all twitter clients suck [07:49] why not? [07:49] ah it's been fixed [07:50] ♥ that thing? [07:50] http://gizmodo.com/if-you-use-tweetdeck-for-chrome-you-should-log-out-now-1589323654 [07:50] there was an issue this week [07:50] dear sweden why are you so god damn expensive! [07:53] indeed, there was. [07:55] I first thought I'd answer that but I noticed it wasn't really a question [07:55] Myrtti: ;) [07:56] Myrtti: just looking at yesterdays receipts I got a cab as in a hurry from the station to my hotel which cost 25 quid [07:56] and the train from the airport to the station was 20 quid [07:56] but the short answer would be distance from more fertile and sunny areas of Europe, distance between habitational areas and no oil reserves of their own. [07:56] which was a lot better value. just boggling how they have tourists here [07:56] everywhere has tourists [07:56] shall walk to the station today, 13 min walk :) [07:57] Oslo was very pretty on tuesday, Helsinki on wednesday meant I got ot meet jussi which was nice! but everything there is so massively spread out. [07:57] tourists are usually instructed and nudged to use tourist bus passes [07:58] s/bus/public transport/ [07:58] ah, forgot to mention the amount of capital tied to brick walls due to higher building and upkeep costs. [08:00] boo, no mail for us :-( [08:02] still it's been nice to visit over here, but as of today no more travel for a week! \o/ [08:04] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Sewing Machine Day! :-D [08:06] happy sewing machine day [08:14] It's friday the 13th, that overrides any other day :) [08:15] pffft [08:21] don't tell my wife its sewing machine day [08:21] every day is sewing machine day in our house [08:21] Good morning peeps :) [08:22] * dwatkins finally gets business cards [08:25] dwatkins: How many spelling mistooks? :-) [08:25] thankfully none, TwistedLucidity [08:25] I checked the form several times before submitting [08:26] I have a simple surname. The number of times people get in wrong staggers me. [08:27] does anyone know what terminal app Elementary Uses ? [08:27] I would love to use that theme on my Ubuntu standard install [08:28] I've got a private nameserver set up on a non-routable IP. I'm wondering if I can use a public NS delegation record to point to the private server so it works seamlessly without having to change my lan to use the private dns server as it's forwarder? [08:28] I ask because I set up just such a record last night and it still isn't working - the NS record itself comes out of public dns fine [08:28] pantheon-terminal [08:28] knightwise: ^^ [08:29] there is also an elementary theme [08:29] foobarry: :) Too bad the nobel prizes for smartasses are all handed out [08:29] foobarry: elementary theme for ubuntu ? [08:29] yes [08:31] ahaa [08:31] just found it [08:31] interesting :) [08:34] any of you guys using a bleutooth mouse on 14.01 [08:34] 14.04 [08:34] looks like my problem is with google's public forwarding nameservers - a query for subdomain.example.com specifically asking for ns records from 8.8.8.8 returns correctly but changing the query to any returns a blank result [08:35] opendns' servers respond correctly [08:36] morning boys and girls. [08:36] oh I tell a lie, it's my ISP I'm querying [08:39] changing to a more reliable resolving server still doens't fix my problem tho [08:39] I can query the server I've delegated to fine and I can query the delegation but for some reason my systems aren't completing the lookup [08:44] ok, maybe this will fix my problem, but doesn't answer the initial question as to whether it's possible: I've told my router to split dns requests for my subdomain.example.com to the correct server without relying on NS record resolution [08:47] bigcalm: you up yet? [08:48] ¬,¬ [08:48] davmor2: I've been up since 8.45am [08:48] Which is a very early start for me [08:49] bigcalm: I finally found a really nice image for xoom do you want the details? [08:49] cm11 4.4.2 :) [08:53] davmor2: I've removed CM from my phone, it was a bag of poo on my s3, running miui now [08:56] davmor2: sure. breath some life into the old dog [08:56] MooDoo: yeah but still gets update the xoom has had none for ages I think it was android 4.0 or 4.1 so half the apps no longer work [08:57] davmor2: that's the only down side i have it's 4.1.1 [09:08] I'm still running CM 7.0.1 on my Desire HD, it's based on Gingerbread. [09:10] dwatkins: my htc desire will be retired when i get a moto G LTE version [09:10] running CM7 [09:13] someone is "vape-ing" in the office :-| [09:14] Farting? [09:14] not comfortable with it. [09:14] no, e-cig [09:17] foobarry: yeah, one of my colleagues has one of those, it's very disconcerting [09:17] isn't it just glycerol? [09:17] it creates visible vapour and there's also nicotine in it, of course [09:18] yep [09:18] and flavours and possibly nicotine [09:18] considering we have staff members who throw a paddy when air con is turned on, i don't think e-cig will be looked on favourably [09:19] heh, I wish our air con would get turned off - it's set to permanently heat my part of the office [09:21] 4.4. Users are not permitted to smoke in any area of the Library (Smoking electronic cigarettes to be included within this regulation). [09:21] probably applies to other offices [09:22] the smoking policy is well outdated [09:22] Smoking [09:22] refers to smoking tobacco or anything which contains tobacco, or smoking [09:22] any other substance. Smoking also includes being in posse [09:22] ssion of lit tobacco or of [09:22] anything lit which contains tobacco, or bei [09:22] ng in possession of any other lit substance [09:22] in a form which it could be smoked [09:22] 1 [09:27] reading a book with rubbish photography, and in the intro the author says, yeah i'm rubbish at photography :-| even though the photos are a really important part of the book. i thought publishers were more professional than this :o| === Guest49994 is now known as GPS-Brightology === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:22] MooDoo: did you have a play with lxc yet? [10:22] <3 lxc [10:22] may more than docker [10:22] ^way [10:24] SuperMatt: did you see the lxc uos sessions they look awesome lxc nesting looks crazy [10:25] I didn't [10:25] I will go back and watch them though [10:25] I was the company to use lxc more [10:39] davmor2: no not yet, I've not got the memory for my dedi yet which should come today, I'll then need to install ubuntu and then play with it [10:40] davmor2: well it doesn't look to hard lxc-create etc [10:41] MooDoo: muhahahahaha [10:42] davmor2: oh I see luring me into a false sense of security eh? I might as well just bloomin learn juju over night [10:42] \o/ lxc [10:43] i use lxc at home, tis fun [10:43] popey: davmor2 has conned me into trying it now i've got a new server at home [10:43] hah [10:43] i used juju for a bit at home [10:43] which can use lxc underneath the covers [10:43] juju deploy minecraft [10:43] ☻ [10:43] instant minecraft server for a quick game, then destroy it when done [10:45] I miss snowflake [10:47] snowflake? [10:47] oh, did she shut it down? [10:49] Something like the server can't run mc any more [10:49] I lack details to impart [10:51] ok [10:59] my son loves minecraft :) [11:00] MooDoo: Juju and lxc rock, Juju + lxc + a cloud account rock harder [11:04] I'm hungry [11:14] diddledan: pleased to meet you Hungry I'm Dave === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [11:38] davmor2: I'll stick with stock ubuntu and lxc while I play with it. [11:39] If I want to install a package from a .deb that I already have installed from the repos, should I uninstall the installed version 1st?; [11:50] bigcalm: no === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:43] http://www.linuxvoice.com/free-sample-issue-2/ [13:56] popey: ta [13:58] Shiny, ice-cream tub-bot [13:58] * awilkins reflects that in a more innocent age, "tub-bot" would not conjure forth awful images [14:05] awilkins: you were thinking robot wars with a bot made from a cast iron bath tub too right ? [14:07] awilkins: stop saying tub === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === awilkins is now known as awilkins|tub [14:11] So, Canada has a gay head of state now. [14:17] awilkins|tub: Nice to have a happy politician for a change. === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:28] i tried to use juju yesterday: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju-core/+bug/1329429 [14:28] Launchpad bug 1329429 in juju-core (Ubuntu) "local bootstrap fails" [Undecided,New] [15:05] i can taste that vape pipe [15:05] when it is smoked near me [15:11] is it national go home early day today? [15:12] I might go and light the bbq [15:13] It's post release round my way. We're having a breather.... === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:43] awilkins|tub: it's not as bad as combining tub and girl === awilkins|tub is now known as awilkins [15:44] You're a bad man [15:44] hehe [15:44] yes. yes I am. [15:45] interesting, I just received an email from synergy-project.org detailing https://synergy-enterprise.com [15:46] The release email is buzz word tastic! [15:47] "With Synergy Enterprise we provide a professional solution backed by enterprise-level technical support. Our bug prioritization and feature selection process is carefully tailored to customer requirements and appropriateness for the commercial environment." [15:48] it's not badly priced either: $79/use [15:48] user [15:48] let me try that again: $79/user/year [15:56] that's a pretty terrible webpage though :/ [15:56] $79 per mouse movement [15:56] Heh [15:57] the actual "what is synergy" bit looks like fineprint [16:00] Early finish so I can drive to south wales! [16:01] Was meant to finish earlier, but work has been relentless [16:01] Have a good weekend peeps [16:03] I'm not sure how to say "have fun in south wales" without sounding like I'm taking the mick ;) [16:13] shauno: you sound like my boss :P [16:14] Going to spend time in the Brecon Beacons [16:14] leisure suit larry reloaded is currently $3.99 over on gog.com (drm free) [16:14] windows and mac only tho [16:14] Might run on wine [16:15] * bigcalm disappears [16:48] I thoguht most the gog games were in dosbox containers? [16:49] only the ones that started out as dos games === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW [17:05] I'm not sure I agree with this: http://blog.rht.com/real-reason-became-developer/ [17:05] yo [18:18] well that aint ideal [18:18] layed a horse based on my pictures and just lost 1200 quid [18:18] didnt know i ws 5 seconds behind [18:44] o_O [18:45] life is a bitch [18:46] ok. [18:46] yep [18:46] :D [18:47] just kinda annoying..being that im at a diasvantage [18:47] disadvantage [18:47] but who cares [18:53] i bet mexico and under 2.5 ;0 [18:53] ive bet spain and over for the next game :D [18:57] does anyone know where i can get a static busybox 2.0 for armel? [18:58] ali1234: compile it [19:01] nvm i found it in sid [19:01] and it's 1.22 not 2.0 === GPS-Brightology is now known as Guest46738 [23:49] we've got lightning directly overhead [23:49] I'm skeered