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bduk1More almal05:33
Kiloshi bduk1 die_held bushtech and whoever else isnt frozen solid05:45
bduk1Neeman kilos. Dis nie so erg nie. dis 'n heerlike volmaan Vrydag die 13de. 05:48
Kilosai!05:51
bushtechbrrr! hi kilos, everybody06:12
Kiloshaha cold hey06:12
Kilosohi ThatGraemeGuy 06:48
inetprogood morning06:48
Kiloshi there inetpro 06:49
Kiloshey drussell what are you okes doing to me06:49
Kiloshow can you disable the compose key option06:49
drussellKilos: 'sup dude, who's messing with you now? ;o)06:51
Kiloshaha06:51
Kilosthe compose key option should have an enable button if you wanna disable it by default06:52
Kiloshttp://askubuntu.com/questions/452705/how-to-configure-compose-key-in-14-0406:53
Kilosi dont see the things in dconf that they do06:53
Kilosinput-sources isnt there06:54
drussellKilos: looking...06:55
Kilosthe dev guys must make unity more user friendly for normal peeps not make things more difficult06:57
drussellKilos: just so I'm clear, compose key works out of the box for you yes? but there's no way to disable it, correct?06:57
Kilosnosir it doesnt work06:58
Kilosive tried left and right super and left and right alt06:58
drussellKilos: that's fscked, it does here, definitely and I've not changed anything from a default install06:58
drussellã06:58
Kilosoh my06:58
drussellKilos: so for me it's hold down ã06:59
drusselllol06:59
Kiloswhere is that a thing06:59
drussellKilos: so for me it's hold down the left shift key, tap the right AltGR key and then use the compose sequence I want, i.e. ~ a = ã06:59
Kilosi use the degrees sign lots but cant get it here07:00
Kilosoi this kbd aint got the altgr thing07:00
drussellKilos: what's the usual combination for that07:00
Kilosyou hold the compose key and hit o twice07:01
drussellKilos: (degrees I mean)07:01
drussell°07:01
Kilosthere you go07:01
drussellhmm, yeah07:01
drussellKilos: so try this exact combination....07:01
drussellKilos: left or right shift, hold it down07:02
drussellKilos: tap and release right Alt07:02
KilosOO07:02
drussellKilos: then do the oo07:02
KilosOO07:02
drussellhmm sorry, when I say tap and release right alt, release the shift too07:02
drussell°07:02
Kilosai!07:03
drussellKilos: hold down shift, tap and release right alt key, release shift, type oo .... should get you °07:05
Kilosoo07:05
drussellKilos: that is REALLY strange07:05
drussellKilos: do me a favour, try switching to UK or US keymap just briefly, see if it's a keymap problem07:06
Kilosi am using us i think lemme look07:06
Kiloseish where do i find that07:07
Kilosmy settings doesnt show input devices07:08
Kilospersonal hardware and system options07:09
drussellsystem settings, keyboard, typing tab, link at the bottom that says text entry07:09
drussellinput sources is there07:10
Kilosya english us07:10
Kilosthen if you go keyboard setting bottom right it shows compose key disabled07:11
ThatGraemeGuymornings07:12
drussellKilos: yeah, same here but it still worked07:16
drussellKilos: ok try this instead....07:17
drussellKilos: on that window where it says disabled for the compose key hold down the left mouse button where it says disabled, and then select Right Alt07:19
drussellKilos: then just tap right alt and oo07:19
drussellKilos: °07:19
Kiloshehe lemme try that07:20
Kilosnope07:22
drussellKilos: that is just whack07:22
Kiloslemme find a keyboard with altgr thing07:23
drussellKilos: ok07:23
Kilosnp drussell ty for trying07:23
drussellKilos: also check the .xsession-errors file in your homedir to see if there are any errors there07:23
Kilosthe pro helped me before, and i member now that i had to put the yucky sun keyboard in then set something and then go back to the lekker kb07:24
Kiloswbb07:26
theblazehenAnyone know the rough area where Kilos lives?10:41
theblazehenHe might wanna look at wug.za.net10:41
theblazehenMaaz: tell Kilos have a look at wug.za.net10:41
Maaztheblazehen: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode10:41
Kiloshi theblazehen 10:42
MaazKilos: By the way, theblazehen on freenode told me "tell Kilos have a look at wug.za.net" 25 seconds ago10:42
theblazehenlol10:42
Kilosi dont think it reaches to here. ive looked at ptawug and they go past here to brits but will need to get the equipment10:42
theblazehenyeah. Maybe look at 2nd hand. GTG10:43
Kiloswill do ty10:43
Kilosneed a hdd before i cant think of other stuff10:43
Private_Userafternoon all10:50
Private_UserHi Kilos10:51
Private_UserHi theblazehen10:51
Kiloshi Private_User 10:53
Private_Usermy connectivity has been pathetic today, anybody else having issues?10:54
KilosThatGraemeGuy, http://picpaste.com/Image0073-DaUWrZx5.jpg10:56
KilosPrivate_User, ping google all the time10:56
ThatGraemeGuylol10:56
ThatGraemeGuyKilos: i didn't realise you meant an actual real-world hammer10:57
ThatGraemeGuy:P10:57
Private_Usereish and still an issue, 26 sec delay on IRC10:57
Kilosthen i can go do other stuff meantime10:57
Kiloshahaha10:57
Private_UserKilos: I sometimes try that but then ping can't even find host google10:57
Kiloslemme find the commands10:58
Private_Useranybody else in here using CellC?10:58
Kiloshere are 2 courtesy of the pro10:58
Kilosmtr -i2 -s0 -n 8.8.8.810:58
Kilostime ping -i2 -s0 -c10 8.8.8.810:58
Kilosi gotta go eat. wbb10:59
Private_Userthanks10:59
Kilosoh you on win hey?10:59
Private_Useryeah on the laptop that desktop still hangs randomly11:00
Kilosi will look for the script i have11:00
Kilosyou didnt say what ram man11:00
Kiloswbb after lunch11:01
Private_Userok cool in the meantime I will check11:01
Kiloswith luck i still have it. its called stay alive11:01
Kiloshaha11:01
KilosPrivate_User, http://slexy.org/view/s2zBLI5aXu11:37
Kilosthat was supposed to help win peeps stay alive11:38
Kilosive never used it as, imo win pcs are made for gaming at home not going online with11:39
Kiloshehe11:39
Private_Userthanks Kilos, I also have the RAM info DDR 400MHz CL3.011:40
Private_Userthats whats written on one of them11:40
Kiloslemme check what i have here i member a 333 wil check others11:41
Kilosneed to use magnifying glass to see that tiny stuff11:41
Private_Userah on the other side its says DDR411:43
Kilosi have 2 512m ddr2 and one has a dicey sticker on11:45
Kilosoi11:45
Kilosgoogle your motherboards specs and see what ram it should have11:45
Private_Userbut I think maybe I should as you suggested test power supply11:46
Kilosoh havent you done that yuet11:46
Kilosyet11:46
Kilosslacker11:46
Private_Userlol11:46
Kilosborrow one somewhere11:46
Private_Usernope not yet11:47
Kilosdid you try switching power cords to the drive??11:47
Private_Useryeah I will need to do that was just a bit busy doing some other stuff11:47
Private_Usernope that too not yet11:48
Kilosai!11:48
Kilostry that first , even swop withn the power cord from the cdrom/dvdrom11:48
Kilosoh my11:49
Kiloskilled him11:49
KilosJabberwockyA19, where you been?11:53
JabberwockyA19hi Kilos, I've been very sick11:53
Kilosaw, you better now?11:53
Kilosflu??11:55
JabberwockyA19I'm not 100% supposed to be at home today11:55
Kiloslook after yourself man11:56
JabberwockyA19some soft of infection, major headache and nose bleed11:56
JabberwockyA19had a light fever too11:57
Kilosyou been near malaria areas?11:57
Kilosmind you then you woulda had hot and cold spells too11:57
JabberwockyA19no, just here between home and work in cape town11:57
Kilosdid you go to the doctor?11:58
bduk1Lekker naweeek vir almal12:25
ThatGraemeGuyKilos: i discovered you were right about TNT13:32
ThatGraemeGuyit doesn't destroy all ores actually, but in general use it only drops 1/3 of the items13:32
ThatGraemeGuyso in the 5x5x5 blast radius, which is 125 blocks, only about 41 are kept on average13:33
ThatGraemeGuyand the long tnt chains i built make it worse, because i only space them apart by 1 block, there is overlap so i end up destroying the vast majority of everything :'(13:34
ThatGraemeGuymaybe superfly would be willing to change the TNT mod so that it drops all items instead of destroying 2/3 of them13:34
ThatGraemeGuyotherwise i'm done with TNT its too destructive13:35
Kiloshahaha  ThatGraemeGuy 13:39
Kilosback to pick again13:39
ThatGraemeGuyindeed13:39
ThatGraemeGuyi'm going to play with a local version and see, maybe its too cpu intensive to keep all items13:40
Kilosim gonna keep going straight down till i get a nyan cat thing13:40
ThatGraemeGuyotherwise for something that is supposed to be a mining aid, it's a bit dumb that it destroys most of the objects its mining13:40
ThatGraemeGuyum, nyan cat can occur anywhere under -3213:41
ThatGraemeGuygoing deeper doesn't make you more likely to find one13:41
Kilosi need someone to explain to me nicely about this host thing.13:41
ThatGraemeGuyit could be at -33 under your house :P13:41
Kiloscan one install server on a pc and host yourself or must you get an online host13:41
ThatGraemeGuyyou can host it yourself13:42
Kilosoi dont tnt near my house . took too long to build13:42
ThatGraemeGuybut part of the fun is that multiple people work on the same world13:42
Kilosya but then where do i get a link from 13:42
ThatGraemeGuya link for what?13:42
* ThatGraemeGuy confused13:43
Kilosi mean host yourself that others can use like the flys13:43
ThatGraemeGuyyou would need a permanent internet connection for that, its not really practical to host it from home13:43
Kilosan internet addy13:43
Kiloswhere do you get the internet addy from then13:44
Kiloslike fly.info can that same kinda addy be used for a home server say13:45
Kilossomeone with uncapped adsl or something13:45
ThatGraemeGuyregister a domain, set up dynamic dns somewhere13:45
Kiloswith who do you register it13:45
Kilosand you gotta pay them to register?13:46
ThatGraemeGuywith a domain registrar and yet, you pay for it13:47
ThatGraemeGuythere's an annual fee. and then you need someone to host your DNS records which you can also pay for or find a good free one13:47
Kilosoi13:48
drussellKilos: hey, you manage to sort out your issues with special characters?13:49
ThatGraemeGuyif you have a static IP and you host the server you can just give people the ip and not worry about setting up a name13:49
Kilosnope drussell but i got a kb with that altgraph key13:50
Kilosnow that sounds better ThatGraemeGuy 13:51
drussellKilos: and did that work?13:51
Kiloslike ssh to a server with gui13:51
Kilosdrussell, nope13:51
Private_Userdamn get ping replies from google of 3568ms13:51
Kilosi gave up for now13:51
Private_Userthis connection at the moments is crap13:51
drussellKilos: bah, that's just really strange!13:51
ThatGraemeGuyKilos: i think you've lost yourself in terminology13:52
KilosPrivate_User, leave it running it speeds up13:52
Kiloswell ThatGraemeGuy ive only used ssh to my other pc when i had server installed and to mages server13:52
Kilosbut cli13:52
Kiloswe need to be able to do that with gui13:53
ThatGraemeGuyyou can host a minetest server on any pc13:53
Kilosok ThatGraemeGuy lets say you do it there, how would i then connect if you dont have a registered link13:54
ThatGraemeGuyif i don't have a DNS name i just tell you the IP address13:55
Kilosand my minetest witll find it?13:55
Kiloswill13:56
ThatGraemeGuywhat do you mean by "find it"13:56
ThatGraemeGuyyou must tell minetest the server address13:56
Kiloslike we entered the flys addy in minetest will it find just an ip addy?13:56
ThatGraemeGuyaddress can be either a name or ip13:57
ThatGraemeGuyit doesn't find anything, you must enter  it13:57
Kilossjoe13:57
Kilosi entered it here ya but it still had to go find the uk server13:59
ThatGraemeGuysorry man i have no clue what you're on about now13:59
ThatGraemeGuymaybe send me a screenshot13:59
Kiloshahaha13:59
Kilosnee man14:00
Kilosin minetest we enter flys info right?14:00
Kilosnow with an unregistered pc with an ip addy how will this minetest know where it is14:01
ThatGraemeGuyhow does it know where his is? you enter it14:01
ThatGraemeGuyminetest is just an app it doesn't "know" anything14:01
Kiloslemme try again14:02
Kilosif you go looking for a house you have the area and street name14:02
ThatGraemeGuyyes14:02
Kilosnow how do you find a pandokkie in the veld with no street name or number14:03
ThatGraemeGuymmmmm14:03
ThatGraemeGuyok here's where your analogy isn't working out14:03
ThatGraemeGuyin terms of the internet, the name "minetest.snyman.info" isn't an address in the way you think14:04
ThatGraemeGuylets say like this14:04
ThatGraemeGuythe address of the server is its IP address14:04
ThatGraemeGuyand all the bits of equipment that make the internet work know exactly how to find that address14:04
ThatGraemeGuythe DNS name, like "minetest.snyman.info" is for us stupid humans, because its easier to remember than a bunch of numbers14:05
Kilosoi14:05
ThatGraemeGuylets say you have a friend who lives at 134 voortrekker straat14:05
Kilosok14:06
ThatGraemeGuyif you're going there, you don't say "I am going to 134 voortrekker straat"14:06
ThatGraemeGuyyou would say "I am going to Jan's house"14:06
Kilosya14:06
ThatGraemeGuy"Jan's house" is like the DNS name, and "134 voortrekker street" is like the IP address14:06
Kilosah14:06
ThatGraemeGuyDNS is a big system that keeps track of what friendly names each address has14:07
ThatGraemeGuyso if you take an IP address 138.17.44.8, there is (generally) only 1 place for that to be14:07
ThatGraemeGuybut in DNS you might call it by several friendly names14:08
ThatGraemeGuymostly the name doesn't matter to your PC and all the bits of equipment that move data around, they just care about the IP address14:08
Kilosok14:09
Kilosbut now14:09
Kiloshow can it find an ip if its not registered14:09
ThatGraemeGuythat's complicated, but like i said, you don't need a name14:09
ThatGraemeGuythe IP address is the address, and the routers of the internet have ways of figuring out where they are14:10
ThatGraemeGuyassuming by "registered" you meant "has a DNS name"14:10
Kilosya isnt there some big register somewhere with all working ip's on it14:11
ThatGraemeGuynot really, each router shares information with its neighbours14:12
Kilosoi14:12
ThatGraemeGuythat part is really really complicated though14:12
Kilossjoe this is bad enough14:13
Kilosmuch easier being a mechanic14:13
ThatGraemeGuyits only easier because you know it ;)14:13
Kilosspanner sizes are stamped on them14:14
Trixar_zaDepends on if it's new or classic cars14:14
ThatGraemeGuythe way you feel about the inner workings of the internet is how i feel about my car14:14
Kilosoi14:14
Trixar_zaIf it's new, then any idiot can work on it. If it's classic, then it requires an expert touch14:14
ThatGraemeGuyi kinda have an idea how it works, but i don't really want to care, i just want to turn keys, push buttons and go14:14
Kiloslol14:14
KilosMaaz, seen superfly 14:15
MaazKilos: superfly was last seen 1 day, 18 hours, 55 minutes and 59 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-06-11 12:19:51 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2014-06-11 13:40:11 PDT14:15
Kilosi wonder where he is14:16
Trixar_zaI'm going to try Flare RPG now14:17
Trixar_zaIt's an FLOSS Roleplaying game in the vain of Diablo14:17
Kilos?14:17
Kilosaha14:18
ThatGraemeGuyhttp://i.imgur.com/ELm91jo.png14:20
ThatGraemeGuyKilos: do you know what that grey bit on the map is?14:20
Kiloslemme go look14:21
ThatGraemeGuyits a darker grey than the stone parts of the map, not sure what it represents14:21
Kiloshave you been there?14:22
ThatGraemeGuyfor reference, the top left corner is my house, the grey square diagonally down from that is superfly's place, and just to the right of that is your place14:22
ThatGraemeGuyno, i just noticed it earlier14:22
ThatGraemeGuybut i'14:22
ThatGraemeGuybut i'm at -2500 didn't feel like going up14:22
Kiloshahaha get a hammer then you can go make coffee while surfacing14:23
ThatGraemeGuyi can teleport home, that's easy, its the trip back down that sucks14:24
Kilosman how do you teleport14:24
Kilosdo you use co-ords14:24
ThatGraemeGuyactually now that you dug it as 1 long shaft i can actually just drop down the ladder. i realised that it stops every now and then when i hit the bottom of however far my pc has rendered the map14:24
ThatGraemeGuydrop down the shaft i mean14:25
Kiloslol14:25
ThatGraemeGuyyou need to use the set home button and then the go home button14:25
ThatGraemeGuyyeah i just have to remember to grab the ladder around -250014:26
Kilosyou better be ready to grab ladder before it hits bottom or you gonna splat really flat14:26
ThatGraemeGuygoing to try that later14:26
Kilosi still dunno how you teleport14:27
Kiloswhere you find the mod14:27
Kilosor plugin 14:27
Kilosha found it14:34
ThatGraemeGuyya14:37
ThatGraemeGuysorry, didn't see14:38
Kiloshmm... cant craft plastic sheet14:50
Kilosno option of 1,10 or all14:51
Kilosaha15:06
Kilosdrussell, i, trying ther cli way with this link15:55
Kiloshttp://askubuntu.com/questions/379633/make-super-window-as-compose-key-in-ubuntub?rq=115:55
Kilosbut last command im doing something wrong15:56
Kilosdconf write /org/gnome/desktop/input-sources/xkb-options ['compose:lwin']15:56
Kilosive tried without the single quotes and square brackets15:57
Kiloserror: 1-8:unknown keyword15:59
Kiloswbb16:07
Kilosinetpro, i need you and your store of knowledge please16:26
Kilosbushtech, you been very quiet17:30
Kilosohi superfly 17:31
Kiloswb17:31
KilosMaaz, tell ThatGraemeGuy  this might be what you are looking for17:49
MaazKilos: Got it, I'll tell ThatGraemeGuy on freenode17:49
Kiloshttps://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=487717:49
Kilosoi17:49
KilosMaaz, tell ThatGraemeGuy  this might be what you are looking for Maaz, tell ThatGraemeGuy  this might be what you are looking for17:50
MaazKilos: Sure, I'll tell ThatGraemeGuy on freenode17:50
Kilosoi17:50
Kilosdammit17:50
superflyhi Kilos17:59
superflyhahahaha18:00
Kiloswhat?18:00
ThatGraemeGuyhellos18:23
MaazThatGraemeGuy: ThatGraemeGuy: By the way, you have a pile of memos waiting for you, too many to read out in public. PM me18:23
Kiloshaha18:24
Kilospopular guy18:24
ThatGraemeGuyseems that way :P18:24
ThatGraemeGuyKilos: thanks, could be interesting18:25
ThatGraemeGuyi want to fiddle with the tnt mod a bit18:25
Kiloshow do you set the teleport thing18:26
ThatGraemeGuyeh?18:26
Kilosright click and it asks for channel18:26
ThatGraemeGuynope, still no idea what you talking about18:27
Kilosteleport in the game18:27
Kilosyou said you can only port home18:27
ThatGraemeGuyyes, it's added by the extended inventory screen mod18:28
ThatGraemeGuythe /teleport command requires special permission18:28
Kilosoh my18:28
Kilosbetter i keep walking for now then18:29
ThatGraemeGuyheh18:31
ThatGraemeGuythis lua stuff seems quite straightforward, i think i should make lazy tnt, that puts all the exploded stuff in your inventory instead of having you pick it all up18:31
Kilosi wanna try something and see if you see it on the map tomorrow18:31
Kiloslol18:32
Kiloseeeek i mined into lava and had to run18:35
ThatGraemeGuyin the shaft?18:35
Kilosthe first one at my home18:35
ThatGraemeGuyah18:36
ThatGraemeGuyok that was fun18:54
KiloswhT18:55
ThatGraemeGuyturns out making TNT too powerful is not good18:55
KilosWHAT TOO18:55
Kilosoi18:55
Kilosi ran away from the lava18:55
Kilosall i wanted was some obsidian18:56
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:11

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