[05:33] <bduk1> More almal
[05:45] <Kilos> hi bduk1 die_held bushtech and whoever else isnt frozen solid
[05:48] <bduk1> Neeman kilos. Dis nie so erg nie. dis 'n heerlike volmaan Vrydag die 13de. 
[05:51] <Kilos> ai!
[06:12] <bushtech> brrr! hi kilos, everybody
[06:12] <Kilos> haha cold hey
[06:48] <Kilos> ohi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:48] <inetpro> good morning
[06:49] <Kilos> hi there inetpro 
[06:49] <Kilos> hey drussell what are you okes doing to me
[06:49] <Kilos> how can you disable the compose key option
[06:51] <drussell> Kilos: 'sup dude, who's messing with you now? ;o)
[06:51] <Kilos> haha
[06:52] <Kilos> the compose key option should have an enable button if you wanna disable it by default
[06:53] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/452705/how-to-configure-compose-key-in-14-04
[06:53] <Kilos> i dont see the things in dconf that they do
[06:54] <Kilos> input-sources isnt there
[06:55] <drussell> Kilos: looking...
[06:57] <Kilos> the dev guys must make unity more user friendly for normal peeps not make things more difficult
[06:57] <drussell> Kilos: just so I'm clear, compose key works out of the box for you yes? but there's no way to disable it, correct?
[06:58] <Kilos> nosir it doesnt work
[06:58] <Kilos> ive tried left and right super and left and right alt
[06:58] <drussell> Kilos: that's fscked, it does here, definitely and I've not changed anything from a default install
[06:58] <drussell> ã
[06:58] <Kilos> oh my
[06:59] <drussell> Kilos: so for me it's hold down ã
[06:59] <drussell> lol
[06:59] <Kilos> where is that a thing
[06:59] <drussell> Kilos: so for me it's hold down the left shift key, tap the right AltGR key and then use the compose sequence I want, i.e. ~ a = ã
[07:00] <Kilos> i use the degrees sign lots but cant get it here
[07:00] <Kilos> oi this kbd aint got the altgr thing
[07:00] <drussell> Kilos: what's the usual combination for that
[07:01] <Kilos> you hold the compose key and hit o twice
[07:01] <drussell> Kilos: (degrees I mean)
[07:01] <drussell> °
[07:01] <Kilos> there you go
[07:01] <drussell> hmm, yeah
[07:01] <drussell> Kilos: so try this exact combination....
[07:02] <drussell> Kilos: left or right shift, hold it down
[07:02] <drussell> Kilos: tap and release right Alt
[07:02] <Kilos> OO
[07:02] <drussell> Kilos: then do the oo
[07:02] <Kilos> OO
[07:02] <drussell> hmm sorry, when I say tap and release right alt, release the shift too
[07:02] <drussell> °
[07:03] <Kilos> ai!
[07:05] <drussell> Kilos: hold down shift, tap and release right alt key, release shift, type oo .... should get you °
[07:05] <Kilos> oo
[07:05] <drussell> Kilos: that is REALLY strange
[07:06] <drussell> Kilos: do me a favour, try switching to UK or US keymap just briefly, see if it's a keymap problem
[07:06] <Kilos> i am using us i think lemme look
[07:07] <Kilos> eish where do i find that
[07:08] <Kilos> my settings doesnt show input devices
[07:09] <Kilos> personal hardware and system options
[07:09] <drussell> system settings, keyboard, typing tab, link at the bottom that says text entry
[07:10] <drussell> input sources is there
[07:10] <Kilos> ya english us
[07:11] <Kilos> then if you go keyboard setting bottom right it shows compose key disabled
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:16] <drussell> Kilos: yeah, same here but it still worked
[07:17] <drussell> Kilos: ok try this instead....
[07:19] <drussell> Kilos: on that window where it says disabled for the compose key hold down the left mouse button where it says disabled, and then select Right Alt
[07:19] <drussell> Kilos: then just tap right alt and oo
[07:19] <drussell> Kilos: °
[07:20] <Kilos> hehe lemme try that
[07:22] <Kilos> nope
[07:22] <drussell> Kilos: that is just whack
[07:23] <Kilos> lemme find a keyboard with altgr thing
[07:23] <drussell> Kilos: ok
[07:23] <Kilos> np drussell ty for trying
[07:23] <drussell> Kilos: also check the .xsession-errors file in your homedir to see if there are any errors there
[07:24] <Kilos> the pro helped me before, and i member now that i had to put the yucky sun keyboard in then set something and then go back to the lekker kb
[07:26] <Kilos> wbb
[10:41] <theblazehen> Anyone know the rough area where Kilos lives?
[10:41] <theblazehen> He might wanna look at wug.za.net
[10:41] <theblazehen> Maaz: tell Kilos have a look at wug.za.net
[10:41] <Maaz> theblazehen: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[10:42] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[10:42] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, theblazehen on freenode told me "tell Kilos have a look at wug.za.net" 25 seconds ago
[10:42] <theblazehen> lol
[10:42] <Kilos> i dont think it reaches to here. ive looked at ptawug and they go past here to brits but will need to get the equipment
[10:43] <theblazehen> yeah. Maybe look at 2nd hand. GTG
[10:43] <Kilos> will do ty
[10:43] <Kilos> need a hdd before i cant think of other stuff
[10:50] <Private_User> afternoon all
[10:51] <Private_User> Hi Kilos
[10:51] <Private_User> Hi theblazehen
[10:53] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[10:54] <Private_User> my connectivity has been pathetic today, anybody else having issues?
[10:56] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, http://picpaste.com/Image0073-DaUWrZx5.jpg
[10:56] <Kilos> Private_User, ping google all the time
[10:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[10:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i didn't realise you meant an actual real-world hammer
[10:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> :P
[10:57] <Private_User> eish and still an issue, 26 sec delay on IRC
[10:57] <Kilos> then i can go do other stuff meantime
[10:57] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:57] <Private_User> Kilos: I sometimes try that but then ping can't even find host google
[10:58] <Kilos> lemme find the commands
[10:58] <Private_User> anybody else in here using CellC?
[10:58] <Kilos> here are 2 courtesy of the pro
[10:58] <Kilos> mtr -i2 -s0 -n 8.8.8.8
[10:58] <Kilos> time ping -i2 -s0 -c10 8.8.8.8
[10:59] <Kilos> i gotta go eat. wbb
[10:59] <Private_User> thanks
[10:59] <Kilos> oh you on win hey?
[11:00] <Private_User> yeah on the laptop that desktop still hangs randomly
[11:00] <Kilos> i will look for the script i have
[11:00] <Kilos> you didnt say what ram man
[11:01] <Kilos> wbb after lunch
[11:01] <Private_User> ok cool in the meantime I will check
[11:01] <Kilos> with luck i still have it. its called stay alive
[11:01] <Kilos> haha
[11:37] <Kilos> Private_User, http://slexy.org/view/s2zBLI5aXu
[11:38] <Kilos> that was supposed to help win peeps stay alive
[11:39] <Kilos> ive never used it as, imo win pcs are made for gaming at home not going online with
[11:39] <Kilos> hehe
[11:40] <Private_User> thanks Kilos, I also have the RAM info DDR 400MHz CL3.0
[11:40] <Private_User> thats whats written on one of them
[11:41] <Kilos> lemme check what i have here i member a 333 wil check others
[11:41] <Kilos> need to use magnifying glass to see that tiny stuff
[11:43] <Private_User> ah on the other side its says DDR4
[11:45] <Kilos> i have 2 512m ddr2 and one has a dicey sticker on
[11:45] <Kilos> oi
[11:45] <Kilos> google your motherboards specs and see what ram it should have
[11:46] <Private_User> but I think maybe I should as you suggested test power supply
[11:46] <Kilos> oh havent you done that yuet
[11:46] <Kilos> yet
[11:46] <Kilos> slacker
[11:46] <Private_User> lol
[11:46] <Kilos> borrow one somewhere
[11:47] <Private_User> nope not yet
[11:47] <Kilos> did you try switching power cords to the drive??
[11:47] <Private_User> yeah I will need to do that was just a bit busy doing some other stuff
[11:48] <Private_User> nope that too not yet
[11:48] <Kilos> ai!
[11:48] <Kilos> try that first , even swop withn the power cord from the cdrom/dvdrom
[11:49] <Kilos> oh my
[11:49] <Kilos> killed him
[11:53] <Kilos> JabberwockyA19, where you been?
[11:53] <JabberwockyA19> hi Kilos, I've been very sick
[11:53] <Kilos> aw, you better now?
[11:55] <Kilos> flu??
[11:55] <JabberwockyA19> I'm not 100% supposed to be at home today
[11:56] <Kilos> look after yourself man
[11:56] <JabberwockyA19> some soft of infection, major headache and nose bleed
[11:57] <JabberwockyA19> had a light fever too
[11:57] <Kilos> you been near malaria areas?
[11:57] <Kilos> mind you then you woulda had hot and cold spells too
[11:57] <JabberwockyA19> no, just here between home and work in cape town
[11:58] <Kilos> did you go to the doctor?
[12:25] <bduk1> Lekker naweeek vir almal
[13:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i discovered you were right about TNT
[13:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> it doesn't destroy all ores actually, but in general use it only drops 1/3 of the items
[13:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> so in the 5x5x5 blast radius, which is 125 blocks, only about 41 are kept on average
[13:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> and the long tnt chains i built make it worse, because i only space them apart by 1 block, there is overlap so i end up destroying the vast majority of everything :'(
[13:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe superfly would be willing to change the TNT mod so that it drops all items instead of destroying 2/3 of them
[13:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> otherwise i'm done with TNT its too destructive
[13:39] <Kilos> hahaha  ThatGraemeGuy 
[13:39] <Kilos> back to pick again
[13:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> indeed
[13:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm going to play with a local version and see, maybe its too cpu intensive to keep all items
[13:40] <Kilos> im gonna keep going straight down till i get a nyan cat thing
[13:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> otherwise for something that is supposed to be a mining aid, it's a bit dumb that it destroys most of the objects its mining
[13:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> um, nyan cat can occur anywhere under -32
[13:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> going deeper doesn't make you more likely to find one
[13:41] <Kilos> i need someone to explain to me nicely about this host thing.
[13:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> it could be at -33 under your house :P
[13:41] <Kilos> can one install server on a pc and host yourself or must you get an online host
[13:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can host it yourself
[13:42] <Kilos> oi dont tnt near my house . took too long to build
[13:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> but part of the fun is that multiple people work on the same world
[13:42] <Kilos> ya but then where do i get a link from 
[13:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> a link for what?
[13:43]  * ThatGraemeGuy confused
[13:43] <Kilos> i mean host yourself that others can use like the flys
[13:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> you would need a permanent internet connection for that, its not really practical to host it from home
[13:43] <Kilos> an internet addy
[13:44] <Kilos> where do you get the internet addy from then
[13:45] <Kilos> like fly.info can that same kinda addy be used for a home server say
[13:45] <Kilos> someone with uncapped adsl or something
[13:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> register a domain, set up dynamic dns somewhere
[13:45] <Kilos> with who do you register it
[13:46] <Kilos> and you gotta pay them to register?
[13:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> with a domain registrar and yet, you pay for it
[13:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's an annual fee. and then you need someone to host your DNS records which you can also pay for or find a good free one
[13:48] <Kilos> oi
[13:49] <drussell> Kilos: hey, you manage to sort out your issues with special characters?
[13:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you have a static IP and you host the server you can just give people the ip and not worry about setting up a name
[13:50] <Kilos> nope drussell but i got a kb with that altgraph key
[13:51] <Kilos> now that sounds better ThatGraemeGuy 
[13:51] <drussell> Kilos: and did that work?
[13:51] <Kilos> like ssh to a server with gui
[13:51] <Kilos> drussell, nope
[13:51] <Private_User> damn get ping replies from google of 3568ms
[13:51] <Kilos> i gave up for now
[13:51] <Private_User> this connection at the moments is crap
[13:51] <drussell> Kilos: bah, that's just really strange!
[13:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i think you've lost yourself in terminology
[13:52] <Kilos> Private_User, leave it running it speeds up
[13:52] <Kilos> well ThatGraemeGuy ive only used ssh to my other pc when i had server installed and to mages server
[13:52] <Kilos> but cli
[13:53] <Kilos> we need to be able to do that with gui
[13:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can host a minetest server on any pc
[13:54] <Kilos> ok ThatGraemeGuy lets say you do it there, how would i then connect if you dont have a registered link
[13:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> if i don't have a DNS name i just tell you the IP address
[13:55] <Kilos> and my minetest witll find it?
[13:56] <Kilos> will
[13:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> what do you mean by "find it"
[13:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> you must tell minetest the server address
[13:56] <Kilos> like we entered the flys addy in minetest will it find just an ip addy?
[13:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> address can be either a name or ip
[13:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> it doesn't find anything, you must enter  it
[13:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:59] <Kilos> i entered it here ya but it still had to go find the uk server
[13:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry man i have no clue what you're on about now
[13:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe send me a screenshot
[13:59] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:00] <Kilos> nee man
[14:00] <Kilos> in minetest we enter flys info right?
[14:01] <Kilos> now with an unregistered pc with an ip addy how will this minetest know where it is
[14:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> how does it know where his is? you enter it
[14:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> minetest is just an app it doesn't "know" anything
[14:02] <Kilos> lemme try again
[14:02] <Kilos> if you go looking for a house you have the area and street name
[14:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[14:03] <Kilos> now how do you find a pandokkie in the veld with no street name or number
[14:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmmmm
[14:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok here's where your analogy isn't working out
[14:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> in terms of the internet, the name "minetest.snyman.info" isn't an address in the way you think
[14:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> lets say like this
[14:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> the address of the server is its IP address
[14:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> and all the bits of equipment that make the internet work know exactly how to find that address
[14:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> the DNS name, like "minetest.snyman.info" is for us stupid humans, because its easier to remember than a bunch of numbers
[14:05] <Kilos> oi
[14:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> lets say you have a friend who lives at 134 voortrekker straat
[14:06] <Kilos> ok
[14:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you're going there, you don't say "I am going to 134 voortrekker straat"
[14:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> you would say "I am going to Jan's house"
[14:06] <Kilos> ya
[14:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> "Jan's house" is like the DNS name, and "134 voortrekker street" is like the IP address
[14:06] <Kilos> ah
[14:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> DNS is a big system that keeps track of what friendly names each address has
[14:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> so if you take an IP address 138.17.44.8, there is (generally) only 1 place for that to be
[14:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> but in DNS you might call it by several friendly names
[14:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> mostly the name doesn't matter to your PC and all the bits of equipment that move data around, they just care about the IP address
[14:09] <Kilos> ok
[14:09] <Kilos> but now
[14:09] <Kilos> how can it find an ip if its not registered
[14:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's complicated, but like i said, you don't need a name
[14:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> the IP address is the address, and the routers of the internet have ways of figuring out where they are
[14:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> assuming by "registered" you meant "has a DNS name"
[14:11] <Kilos> ya isnt there some big register somewhere with all working ip's on it
[14:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> not really, each router shares information with its neighbours
[14:12] <Kilos> oi
[14:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> that part is really really complicated though
[14:13] <Kilos> sjoe this is bad enough
[14:13] <Kilos> much easier being a mechanic
[14:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> its only easier because you know it ;)
[14:14] <Kilos> spanner sizes are stamped on them
[14:14] <Trixar_za> Depends on if it's new or classic cars
[14:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> the way you feel about the inner workings of the internet is how i feel about my car
[14:14] <Kilos> oi
[14:14] <Trixar_za> If it's new, then any idiot can work on it. If it's classic, then it requires an expert touch
[14:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> i kinda have an idea how it works, but i don't really want to care, i just want to turn keys, push buttons and go
[14:14] <Kilos> lol
[14:15] <Kilos> Maaz, seen superfly 
[14:15] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly was last seen 1 day, 18 hours, 55 minutes and 59 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-06-11 12:19:51 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2014-06-11 13:40:11 PDT
[14:16] <Kilos> i wonder where he is
[14:17] <Trixar_za> I'm going to try Flare RPG now
[14:17] <Trixar_za> It's an FLOSS Roleplaying game in the vain of Diablo
[14:17] <Kilos> ?
[14:18] <Kilos> aha
[14:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://i.imgur.com/ELm91jo.png
[14:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: do you know what that grey bit on the map is?
[14:21] <Kilos> lemme go look
[14:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> its a darker grey than the stone parts of the map, not sure what it represents
[14:22] <Kilos> have you been there?
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> for reference, the top left corner is my house, the grey square diagonally down from that is superfly's place, and just to the right of that is your place
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> no, i just noticed it earlier
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> but i'
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> but i'm at -2500 didn't feel like going up
[14:23] <Kilos> hahaha get a hammer then you can go make coffee while surfacing
[14:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> i can teleport home, that's easy, its the trip back down that sucks
[14:24] <Kilos> man how do you teleport
[14:24] <Kilos> do you use co-ords
[14:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> actually now that you dug it as 1 long shaft i can actually just drop down the ladder. i realised that it stops every now and then when i hit the bottom of however far my pc has rendered the map
[14:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> drop down the shaft i mean
[14:25] <Kilos> lol
[14:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> you need to use the set home button and then the go home button
[14:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i just have to remember to grab the ladder around -2500
[14:26] <Kilos> you better be ready to grab ladder before it hits bottom or you gonna splat really flat
[14:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> going to try that later
[14:27] <Kilos> i still dunno how you teleport
[14:27] <Kilos> where you find the mod
[14:27] <Kilos> or plugin 
[14:34] <Kilos> ha found it
[14:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> ya
[14:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry, didn't see
[14:50] <Kilos> hmm... cant craft plastic sheet
[14:51] <Kilos> no option of 1,10 or all
[15:06] <Kilos> aha
[15:55] <Kilos> drussell, i, trying ther cli way with this link
[15:55] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/379633/make-super-window-as-compose-key-in-ubuntub?rq=1
[15:56] <Kilos> but last command im doing something wrong
[15:56] <Kilos> dconf write /org/gnome/desktop/input-sources/xkb-options ['compose:lwin']
[15:57] <Kilos> ive tried without the single quotes and square brackets
[15:59] <Kilos> error: 1-8:unknown keyword
[16:07] <Kilos> wbb
[16:26] <Kilos> inetpro, i need you and your store of knowledge please
[17:30] <Kilos> bushtech, you been very quiet
[17:31] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[17:31] <Kilos> wb
[17:49] <Kilos> Maaz, tell ThatGraemeGuy  this might be what you are looking for
[17:49] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell ThatGraemeGuy on freenode
[17:49] <Kilos> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4877
[17:49] <Kilos> oi
[17:50] <Kilos> Maaz, tell ThatGraemeGuy  this might be what you are looking for Maaz, tell ThatGraemeGuy  this might be what you are looking for
[17:50] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure, I'll tell ThatGraemeGuy on freenode
[17:50] <Kilos> oi
[17:50] <Kilos> dammit
[17:59] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:00] <superfly> hahahaha
[18:00] <Kilos> what?
[18:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> hellos
[18:23] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: ThatGraemeGuy: By the way, you have a pile of memos waiting for you, too many to read out in public. PM me
[18:24] <Kilos> haha
[18:24] <Kilos> popular guy
[18:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> seems that way :P
[18:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: thanks, could be interesting
[18:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> i want to fiddle with the tnt mod a bit
[18:26] <Kilos> how do you set the teleport thing
[18:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh?
[18:26] <Kilos> right click and it asks for channel
[18:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope, still no idea what you talking about
[18:27] <Kilos> teleport in the game
[18:27] <Kilos> you said you can only port home
[18:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, it's added by the extended inventory screen mod
[18:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> the /teleport command requires special permission
[18:28] <Kilos> oh my
[18:29] <Kilos> better i keep walking for now then
[18:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[18:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> this lua stuff seems quite straightforward, i think i should make lazy tnt, that puts all the exploded stuff in your inventory instead of having you pick it all up
[18:31] <Kilos> i wanna try something and see if you see it on the map tomorrow
[18:32] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <Kilos> eeeek i mined into lava and had to run
[18:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> in the shaft?
[18:35] <Kilos> the first one at my home
[18:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[18:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok that was fun
[18:55] <Kilos> whT
[18:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> turns out making TNT too powerful is not good
[18:55] <Kilos> WHAT TOO
[18:55] <Kilos> oi
[18:55] <Kilos> i ran away from the lava
[18:56] <Kilos> all i wanted was some obsidian
[19:11] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight