| ochosi | hey everyone | 08:18 |
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| Noskcaj | hey ochosi | 08:18 |
| elfy | mornign | 08:18 |
| ochosi | ali1234: to correct you: i'm not the author of that patch, i solely ported it to work with xfdesktop4.11. but yeah, i guess that kinda makes me responsible for this regression... | 08:18 |
| ochosi | i wonder how to work around that though. maybe only update the wallpaper when xfdesktop exits? | 08:19 |
| Noskcaj | ochosi, Did you talk to eric about the upower patch for session? | 08:20 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: sorry, haven't caught him ol in the last two days | 08:20 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 08:20 |
| Noskcaj | eric_the_idiot, PING | 08:20 |
| Noskcaj | just in case | 08:20 |
| ochosi | it's fine, i'll talk to him | 08:21 |
| ochosi | either way, it's not like we're in a big rush already | 08:21 |
| ochosi | you could also simply take his patch and add it to a test-build in a PPA | 08:21 |
| ochosi | then talk to our QA lead about getting it tested | 08:21 |
| Noskcaj | well darkxst (ubuntu gnome dev) is wanting the transition done ASAP so gnome can be tested | 08:22 |
| Noskcaj | and debian will be uploading soon too | 08:23 |
| ochosi | yeah, then follow my other suggestion ;) | 08:24 |
| Noskcaj | ok, will do | 08:26 |
| ochosi | that's what it's going to boil down to anyways, you know | 08:26 |
| ochosi | since eric wrote that one patch, i presume he'll think it's ok | 08:26 |
| ochosi | so we should give it some testing to see whether everything works as expected | 08:27 |
| ochosi | if the xfce4-session maintainer thinks it should be implemented another way, we can always take the upstream solution later | 08:27 |
| brainwash | ochosi: any idea? bug 1321443 | 08:53 |
| ubottu | bug 1321443 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "xfce4-settings-manager toolbar style doesn't change" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1321443 | 08:53 |
| brainwash | could it be that (some) gtk3 applications have hardcoded theme/style settings? | 08:54 |
| ochosi | that's more than probable | 08:55 |
| ochosi | also, i've never used that setting so i can't say if it even works for gtk3 | 08:55 |
| brainwash | same here, so no clue | 08:57 |
| ochosi | a quick test indicates it doesnt work for gtk3 | 08:57 |
| ochosi | ok | 08:59 |
| ochosi | so it changes the setting "ToolbarStyle" in Gtk's settings | 08:59 |
| ochosi | that seems like a version independent thing | 08:59 |
| ochosi | but the question is whether they possibly dropped that setting in gtk3 | 08:59 |
| ochosi | or whether it's simply being ignored by apps | 09:00 |
| brainwash | in gtk's settings? | 09:00 |
| ochosi | another thing is that i think themes can modify it | 09:00 |
| ochosi | yeah, check xfce4-settings-editor > xsettings > gtk | 09:00 |
| ochosi | e.g. the ButtonImages setting really works for Gtk2/3 | 09:00 |
| brainwash | right, but that's on the xfce side | 09:00 |
| ochosi | or the button-sizes | 09:00 |
| brainwash | we don't know if these settings are actually applied to gtk3 | 09:01 |
| ochosi | well as i said, as ButtonImages works for both gtk2/3, yes | 09:01 |
| brainwash | ok, so any idea what we should do with the lp report? | 09:02 |
| ochosi | look: https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkSettings.html#GtkSettings--gtk-toolbar-style | 09:02 |
| ochosi | GtkSettings:gtk-toolbar-style has been deprecated since version 3.10 and should not be used in newly-written code. | 09:02 |
| ochosi | This setting is ignored. | 09:02 |
| ochosi | if something doesn't work in gtk3, just assume it's deprecated ;) | 09:03 |
| brainwash | ah :D | 09:03 |
| brainwash | wanna update and close the report then? | 09:03 |
| ochosi | done | 09:04 |
| brainwash | thanks :) | 09:05 |
| ochosi | guess we should remember this when xfce finally moves to gtk3, that this setting has to be dropped | 09:06 |
| brainwash | yes, we should | 09:07 |
| brainwash | by creating a report? or some roadmap wiki? | 09:08 |
| ochosi | hm, otoh there are so many deprecated things... i guess we'll notice | 09:08 |
| ochosi | i hope we can begin the transition in the winter or something | 09:09 |
| ochosi | chromium in 14.04 really has some issues... | 09:16 |
| elfy | not the least of which is that it's chromium | 09:17 |
| ochosi | i've never tried chrome tbh | 09:20 |
| * elfy neither and I only try chromium for long enough for it to annoy me :) | 09:20 | |
| Noskcaj | ochosi, out surrent logind patches break eric's one | 09:21 |
| Noskcaj | *current | 09:21 |
| ochosi | ok, i guess then we'll have to investigate that a bit more | 09:22 |
| brainwash | chromium is always behind with updates on ubuntu | 09:26 |
| ochosi | it's also behind on tracking its users, from what i read | 09:27 |
| ochosi | elfy: thing is that firefox+flash has become an extremely unstable combo in 14.04 for me, so i need an alternative sometimes | 09:27 |
| elfy | yep - I understand that for people | 09:28 |
| bluesabre | yeah, chromium/chrome have issues now | 09:31 |
| bluesabre | they no longer use gtk | 09:31 |
| ochosi | right, aurora and all | 09:31 |
| bluesabre | but that's getting better on its own | 09:32 |
| bluesabre | and firefox is working towards better gnome/gtk integration | 09:32 |
| ochosi | yeah, what annoys me a bit is the visual inconsistency | 09:32 |
| ochosi | suddenly chrome/ium's popups disappear with a fade-out | 09:32 |
| ochosi | that makes users wonder why it doesn't happen everywhere | 09:33 |
| elfy | I just have issues with bookmarks, it's enough to stop me using it :) | 09:37 |
| ochosi | brainwash: btw, have time to look into the xdg-screensaver issue? | 13:04 |
| brainwash | ochosi: no, I don't have access to my old pc with the xubuntu installation, so I don't really test or fix xfce related things right now | 13:11 |
| brainwash | maybe I should not have left that old thing behind :D | 13:11 |
| brainwash | are there any other ways to prevent the screensaver to be triggered? | 13:13 |
| ochosi | nope | 13:14 |
| brainwash | like simulating input events | 13:14 |
| ochosi | not any reliable ones | 13:14 |
| ochosi | we want a general solution, not one we have to implement in every app | 13:14 |
| brainwash | xdg-screensaver is the problem in this case | 13:17 |
| brainwash | there has to be a maintainer for it | 13:17 |
| ochosi | wait, so you're not using xubuntu anymore? | 13:19 |
| brainwash | no, but I did have my (x)ubuntu test machine to mess around with things | 13:21 |
| sveta | what are you using instead of xfce now? I would think you can install couple desktops, one for normal user and one for a test user | 13:23 |
| brainwash | space is limited, 40gb ssd here | 13:24 |
| brainwash | I use plain X with a basic window manager | 13:24 |
| brainwash | working and developing for xfce means also that I need to install all the ubuntu dev packages and so on | 13:25 |
| ochosi | actually you don't need any of that for debugging xdg-screensaver :) | 13:26 |
| ochosi | i suspect it's just as broken if you don't use light-locker but the built-in screensaver extension | 13:27 |
| brainwash | yeah, neither do you :P | 13:27 |
| brainwash | I think so so | 13:27 |
| ochosi | well, frankly i'm asking you because i'm busy with many other things | 13:27 |
| brainwash | light-locker does not do any magic | 13:27 |
| ochosi | so yeah, it'll take quite some time until i get to that | 13:28 |
| brainwash | we still got some time until 14.10 :) | 13:29 |
| ochosi | saying "i don't want to" would be enough, no need to dance around | 13:30 |
| brainwash | ok, then I don't want to | 13:31 |
| ochosi | yeah, i got that. that was more a note for the future | 13:32 |
| elfy | :) | 13:33 |
| brainwash | ochosi: bad news, xdg-screensaver works fine here | 13:55 |
| brainwash | it inhibits screensaver + dpms | 13:56 |
| ochosi | i presume you use the same version as is found in ubuntu? | 13:57 |
| ochosi | (with the strange patch) | 13:57 |
| brainwash | yes, downloaded and tested it | 13:59 |
| brainwash | does power-manager monitor these settings? | 14:01 |
| brainwash | the timeouts | 14:01 |
| brainwash | I guess that we should ask the affected users to attach the output of "xset -q" | 14:03 |
| brainwash | while a movie is playing | 14:03 |
| brainwash | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-utils/+bug/1309744/comments/11 | 14:05 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1309744 in xdg-utils (Ubuntu) "Light Locker blanks the screen when playing video" [Undecided,New] | 14:05 |
| brainwash | which patch? | 14:06 |
| ochosi | there is a patch that kinda duplicates the callbacks for when the screensaver extension is used in ubuntu | 14:14 |
| ochosi | i could never make sense of it | 14:15 |
| ochosi | brainwash: actually "xdg-screensaver status" only works for me the first time i run the command | 14:23 |
| ochosi | after that i don't get "enabled" or "disabled" but simply nothing | 14:23 |
| brainwash | mmh, parole does not actually call .. status | 14:24 |
| brainwash | still weird, it works fine here | 14:25 |
| brainwash | but this might be a hint :) | 14:26 |
| Unit193 | Works fine here too. | 14:28 |
| ochosi | Unit193: you're using stock xubuntu 14.04 with light-locker? | 14:30 |
| Unit193 | No | 14:33 |
| ochosi | well then, errr... :) | 14:34 |
| brainwash | ochosi: did you already check "xset -q" while playing a movie with parole? | 14:36 |
| brainwash | maybe some timout is not set properly | 14:37 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i did, and it doesn't get changed | 15:31 |
| brainwash | ochosi: and after running "xdg-screensaver suspend <window id>"? | 15:35 |
| brainwash | some random (valid) window id will do I guess | 15:35 |
| brainwash | use "xprop" | 15:35 |
| ochosi | yeah, still not suspended | 15:39 |
| ochosi | i mean the screensaver time is still 1980 (the value to which i set it) | 15:39 |
| brainwash | ok | 15:41 |
| brainwash | you didn't close the window before checking xset -q, right? | 15:42 |
| ochosi | ofc not | 15:43 |
| ochosi | i guess one would have to add lots and lots of debug statements to the script | 15:43 |
| brainwash | you can add "set -x" | 15:43 |
| brainwash | and then redirect the output | 15:44 |
| brainwash | could power-manager interfere somehow? | 15:44 |
| eric_the_idiot | Noskcaj, pong | 15:44 |
| brainwash | and reset the timeout? | 15:44 |
| brainwash | because xdg-screensaver works in non Xubuntu/Xfce | 15:47 |
| ochosi | power-manager only interferes with the presentation mode | 15:49 |
| ochosi | (which i have deactivated) | 15:49 |
| ochosi | otherwise it doesn't touch the blank times | 15:50 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i think i got it | 15:58 |
| ochosi | note: i think :) | 15:58 |
| ochosi | at least it works now | 15:58 |
| ochosi | hah, awesome, it sets the screensaver timeout back to the default value of "600" upon resume, so it obviously doesn't remember the time that was set before | 15:59 |
| brainwash | upon resume | 16:00 |
| ochosi | yeah, after running xdg-screensaver resume windowid | 16:00 |
| brainwash | yea, but suspend is our problem, isn't it? | 16:01 |
| ochosi | both works now | 16:01 |
| brainwash | sounds good | 16:01 |
| ochosi | well, the script not remembering the previously set value actually blows big time if you ask me | 16:02 |
| ochosi | but that's simply a missing feature | 16:02 |
| ochosi | if i wouldn't dislike bash scripts so much, i guess i'd add it | 16:03 |
| sveta | I hate css a lot more than bash scripts | 16:04 |
| sveta | dislike is probably a better word | 16:04 |
| ochosi | if you want we can switch | 16:05 |
| ochosi | i'd do a lot of css for not having to do bash :) | 16:05 |
| ochosi | brainwash: when you looked before, did you find an "upstream" for xdg-utils? | 16:10 |
| ochosi | or is it simply maintained on a distro basis? | 16:10 |
| sveta | I asked here the other day. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap is an almost empty page. | 16:12 |
| sveta | I don't know what the current focus(es) are. | 16:12 |
| brainwash | ochosi: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xdg/xdg-utils/ | 16:13 |
| brainwash | and the ubuntu package includes a patch which should be dropped | 16:14 |
| brainwash | so there are some reasons to prepare a new release of xdg-utils | 16:16 |
| ochosi | anyway, it's extremely silly to first detect a DE (in our case "xfce") and then do a "case $DE in" where xfce isn't handled at all | 16:23 |
| ochosi | same goes for lxde | 16:23 |
| Noskcaj | eric_the_idiot, If your still here, could you try and get the upower fix committed to xfce-session git soon? Also, could you please refresh you patch to work with our patched version of session (our logind patch conflicts with it) | 20:00 |
| brainwash | ochosi: can I add shimmer-themes to the list in bug 1056978? | 21:12 |
| ubottu | bug 1056978 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056978 | 21:12 |
| brainwash | you plan to provide a version of greybird with thicker borders, right? | 21:13 |
| ochosi | knome added that to the roadmap | 21:14 |
| ochosi | currently i don't think i'll have time for greybird-a11y | 21:14 |
| brainwash | mmh, I wanted to implement the invisible border resizing, but sadly no time to do it either | 21:15 |
| brainwash | and upstream does not seem to like the invis border idea, because it needs the compositor -> won't fix | 21:16 |
| Unit193 | zequence: Good luck on the 16th, if I don't catch you before then. | 22:20 |
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