[09:59] ochosi: regarding bug 1310264, is the workaround solution ok? should I prepare a branch? [09:59] bug 1310264 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Can't search/find items in the Settings Manager" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310264 [16:43] elfy: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/bugfixes1306/+merge/223117 <- on it [17:06] elfy, https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/bugfixes1306/+merge/223117 <- done [17:12] slickymaster: thanks :) [17:14] np elfy [17:14] * slickymaster goes back to the Equator - Switzerland match [17:45] slickymaster, it's ecuador :P [17:51] and they are losing ... [17:52] your sure knome ? [17:52] I am sure too slickymaster :) [17:53] ok [17:53] I stand corrected [17:53] you can sit down - it's fine :) [17:53] lol [17:55] slickymaster, yeap :P [19:41] brainwash: yeah, please prepare a branch if you can! thanks [19:42] ochosi: so, it's ok to bring the settings category back? it will be visible in the whisker and classic app menu [19:42] i don't mind if it's visible in whisker [19:42] the regression in the classic app menu is okayish i think [19:43] if people complain, we can try to supply yet another menu file that those using the classic menu can use then [19:43] right, I don't think that anyone will complain about it [19:43] me neither [19:43] after all, we've had it like that for quite a while actually [19:43] before the settings manager became searchable [19:44] ok [19:50] Hmm, regression in classic? [19:52] Unit193: well, "regression" [19:52] first of all, ppl have to manually change the setup to get the classic menu [19:52] Oh, the settings menu, yeah that's just a different default, no big thing. [19:52] second, it's only that the settings category is back, but the settings manager will still be the first menu [19:53] -item [20:02] I'll be glad to see gparted back in my menu :p [20:03] yeah, i think making whisker access as many apps as possible is ideal [20:04] yep [20:04] ochosi: you got any idea yet when's best for meeting next week? [21:08] ochosi: damn this AppData stuff =S [21:08] the Xfce project got bigger problems apparently :/ [21:10] doesn't the ubuntu software center provide screenshots and maybe metadata for some Xfce applications? [21:10] could be reused [21:11] brainwash: what's your problem exactly with appdata and why are you pinging me about it? [21:11] (and why in this channel) [21:15] They still seem like a pointless/stupid Gnome thing to me.. [21:16] this channel, because we also need to care about the ubuntu software center [21:16] Does AppData apply to USC? [21:16] maybe reuse the screenshots [21:16] USC gets its data from the debian package/screenshot database [21:17] screenshot database? [21:19] so, would these existing screenshots be of any help for creating the appdata? [21:21] https://screenshots.debian.net/ [21:21] probably not, from what I understand they want a specific aspect ratio for screenshots [21:21] that's definitely an ochosi question though ;) [21:22] and most likely some consistency too, like same gtk and icon theme [21:23] would at least help [21:23] well it would help [21:24] but the fundamental difference is that appdata is supposed to be distro-unspecific [21:24] which could also be considered a disadvantage or advantage, depending on your viewpoint [21:25] so yeah, consistency and all, but in general appdata is something that xfce has to take care about [21:25] usc is something xubuntu related [21:25] so imo that's quite clear [21:25] even if we decide to replace USC with some gnome app center or another thing that uses appdata in xubuntu, it'll still be up to xfce to supply appdata [21:29] so I was thinking of combining the efforts, simply use the screenshots for appdata (xfce) and usc (debian/ubuntu) [21:31] hm yeah, well you can always submit the screenshots from appdata to usc or debian's database [21:31] but frankly i hope that they will somewhat automate that [21:31] the other way round may suck, because appdata wants 16:10 screenshots and i don't think debian has any restrictions/recommendations (at least i can't remember right now) [21:34] alright [21:37] sometimes i wonder whether we can't use some of mint's tools... http://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/qiana/mintlocale.png [21:44] well, we can always implement them ourselves ;) [21:44] mint uses xfce for one of their spins, so it would mean less for them to maintain ;) [21:50] that is taken from the xfce spin actually [21:50] they just released it [21:51] i mean they released the RC: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2649 [21:51] and that language tool looks much nicer than ours [21:51] obviously we'd have to test it and see whether it works fine [21:57] oh, they still use xfce 4.10 [21:58] is this even true? [22:01] no [22:01] they obviously use xfdesktop 4.11 [22:01] unless their screenshots are "too new" :p [22:03] I think so too [22:03] "Good that you resisted the temptation to use Xfce 4.11 development release." [22:03] so this comment is wrong then [22:04] i guess so, frankly, i haven't dealt with mint a lot so far [22:05] I haven't tested it yet, but I will [22:05] great, looking forward to hearing about it [22:06] also wonder what user management tool they use [22:06] maybe there's more we can borrow [22:07] and I'm curious about their display manager mdm + html5 greeter [22:07] yeah [22:08] maybe we could even cooperate with them to fix problems with the current LTS release [22:08] why not, some things will hit them too [22:08] how do they track bugs? :) [22:09] i have no idea [22:09] +1 to trying to work with mint [22:09] Meh, mint. [22:09] their bugs are in LP [22:10] I haven't seen many mint reports there [22:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint [22:11] almost nothing related to Xfce :P [22:12] bug 1271866 [22:12] bug 1271866 in Linux Mint "Xfce edition lacks graphical tool for adding user accounts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271866 [22:13] they've got a few [22:13] oh, this particular one is odd [22:14] they don't ship a gui tool for account management [22:14] Most of the issues seem to be default config related like that one [22:17] but it's strange that there is no contact to the mint guys [22:17] or active communication [22:18] because we share a lot of problems and bugs I'd think [22:20] yup [22:20] i'm open to cooperation