[09:59] <brainwash> ochosi: regarding bug 1310264, is the workaround solution ok? should I prepare a branch?
[16:43] <slickymaster> elfy: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/bugfixes1306/+merge/223117 <- on it
[17:06] <slickymaster> elfy, https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/bugfixes1306/+merge/223117 <- done
[17:12] <elfy> slickymaster: thanks :)
[17:14] <slickymaster> np elfy 
[17:14]  * slickymaster goes back to the Equator - Switzerland match
[17:45] <knome> slickymaster, it's ecuador :P
[17:51] <elfy> and they are losing ... 
[17:52] <slickymaster> your sure knome ?
[17:52] <elfy> I am sure too slickymaster :)
[17:53] <slickymaster> ok
[17:53] <slickymaster> I stand corrected 
[17:53] <elfy> you can sit down - it's fine :)
[17:53] <slickymaster> lol
[17:55] <knome> slickymaster, yeap :P
[19:41] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, please prepare a branch if you can! thanks
[19:42] <brainwash> ochosi: so, it's ok to bring the settings category back? it will be visible in the whisker and classic app menu
[19:42] <ochosi> i don't mind if it's visible in whisker
[19:42] <ochosi> the regression in the classic app menu is okayish i think
[19:43] <ochosi> if people complain, we can try to supply yet another menu file that those using the classic menu can use then
[19:43] <brainwash> right, I don't think that anyone will complain about it
[19:43] <ochosi> me neither
[19:43] <ochosi> after all, we've had it like that for quite a while actually
[19:43] <ochosi> before the settings manager became searchable
[19:44] <brainwash> ok
[19:50] <Unit193> Hmm, regression in classic?
[19:52] <ochosi> Unit193: well, "regression"
[19:52] <ochosi> first of all, ppl have to manually change the setup to get the classic menu
[19:52] <Unit193> Oh, the settings menu, yeah that's just a different default, no big thing.
[19:52] <ochosi> second, it's only that the settings category is back, but the settings manager will still be the first menu
[19:53] <ochosi> -item
[20:02] <elfy> I'll be glad to see gparted back in my menu :p
[20:03] <ochosi> yeah, i think making whisker access as many apps as possible is ideal
[20:04] <elfy> yep
[20:04] <elfy> ochosi: you got any idea yet when's best for meeting next week? 
[21:08] <brainwash> ochosi: damn this AppData stuff =S
[21:08] <brainwash> the Xfce project got bigger problems apparently :/
[21:10] <brainwash> doesn't the ubuntu software center provide screenshots and maybe metadata for some Xfce applications?
[21:10] <brainwash> could be reused
[21:11] <ochosi> brainwash: what's your problem exactly with appdata and why are you pinging me about it?
[21:11] <ochosi> (and why in this channel)
[21:15] <Unit193> They still seem like a pointless/stupid Gnome thing to me..
[21:16] <brainwash> this channel, because we also need to care about the ubuntu software center
[21:16] <bluesabre> Does AppData apply to USC?
[21:16] <brainwash> maybe reuse the screenshots
[21:16] <bluesabre> USC gets its data from the debian package/screenshot database
[21:17] <brainwash> screenshot database?
[21:19] <brainwash> so, would these existing screenshots be of any help for creating the appdata?
[21:21] <bluesabre> https://screenshots.debian.net/
[21:21] <bluesabre> probably not, from what I understand they want a specific aspect ratio for screenshots
[21:21] <bluesabre> that's definitely an ochosi question though ;)
[21:22] <brainwash> and most likely some consistency too, like same gtk and icon theme
[21:23] <brainwash> would at least help
[21:23] <ochosi> well it would help
[21:24] <ochosi> but the fundamental difference is that appdata is supposed to be distro-unspecific
[21:24] <ochosi> which could also be considered a disadvantage or advantage, depending on your viewpoint
[21:25] <ochosi> so yeah, consistency and all, but in general appdata is something that xfce has to take care about
[21:25] <ochosi> usc is something xubuntu related
[21:25] <ochosi> so imo that's quite clear
[21:25] <ochosi> even if we decide to replace USC with some gnome app center or another thing that uses appdata in xubuntu, it'll still be up to xfce to supply appdata
[21:29] <brainwash> so I was thinking of combining the efforts, simply use the screenshots for appdata (xfce) and usc (debian/ubuntu)
[21:31] <ochosi> hm yeah, well you can always submit the screenshots from appdata to usc or debian's database
[21:31] <ochosi> but frankly i hope that they will somewhat automate that
[21:31] <ochosi> the other way round may suck, because appdata wants 16:10 screenshots and i don't think debian has any restrictions/recommendations (at least i can't remember right now)
[21:34] <brainwash> alright
[21:37] <ochosi> sometimes i wonder whether we can't use some of mint's tools... http://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/qiana/mintlocale.png
[21:44] <bluesabre> well, we can always implement them ourselves ;)
[21:44] <bluesabre> mint uses xfce for one of their spins, so it would mean less for them to maintain ;)
[21:50] <ochosi> that is taken from the xfce spin actually
[21:50] <ochosi> they just released it
[21:51] <ochosi> i mean they released the RC: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2649
[21:51] <ochosi> and that language tool looks much nicer than ours
[21:51] <ochosi> obviously we'd have to test it and see whether it works fine
[21:57] <brainwash> oh, they still use xfce 4.10
[21:58] <brainwash> is this even true?
[22:01] <ochosi> no
[22:01] <ochosi> they obviously use xfdesktop 4.11
[22:01] <ochosi> unless their screenshots are "too new" :p
[22:03] <brainwash> I think so too
[22:03] <brainwash> "Good that you resisted the temptation to use Xfce 4.11 development release."
[22:03] <brainwash> so this comment is wrong then
[22:04] <ochosi> i guess so, frankly, i haven't dealt with mint a lot so far
[22:05] <brainwash> I haven't tested it yet, but I will
[22:05] <ochosi> great, looking forward to hearing about it
[22:06] <ochosi> also wonder what user management tool they use
[22:06] <ochosi> maybe there's more we can borrow
[22:07] <brainwash> and I'm curious about their display manager mdm + html5 greeter
[22:07] <ochosi> yeah
[22:08] <brainwash> maybe we could even cooperate with them to fix problems with the current LTS release
[22:08] <ochosi> why not, some things will hit them too
[22:08] <brainwash> how do they track bugs? :)
[22:09] <ochosi> i have no idea
[22:09] <Noskcaj> +1 to trying to work with mint
[22:09] <Unit193> Meh, mint.
[22:09] <Noskcaj> their bugs are in LP
[22:10] <brainwash> I haven't seen many mint reports there
[22:11] <Noskcaj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint
[22:11] <brainwash> almost nothing related to Xfce :P
[22:12] <Noskcaj> bug 1271866
[22:13] <Noskcaj> they've got a few
[22:13] <brainwash> oh, this particular one is odd
[22:14] <brainwash> they don't ship a gui tool for account management
[22:14] <Noskcaj> Most of the issues seem to be default config related like that one
[22:17] <brainwash> but it's strange that there is no contact to the mint guys
[22:17] <brainwash> or active communication
[22:18] <brainwash> because we share a lot of problems and bugs I'd think
[22:20] <ochosi> yup
[22:20] <ochosi> i'm open to cooperation