[07:27] <apachelogger> anyone feels like helping sandsmark out on the mailing list?
[07:27] <apachelogger> Riddell maybe?
[07:37] <valorie> good morning apachelogger
[07:37] <valorie> did you have a good weekend?
[07:53] <apachelogger> valorie: yeah, it's not like I was well rested though ^^
[07:53] <apachelogger> valorie: I trust you had a nice weekend as well?
[08:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: what mailing list? (not read e-mail yet)
[08:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: nope don't see it
[08:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://markmail.org/thread/qv47vf3mugnuqn57
[09:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh yes, will investigate
[09:31] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:00] <soee> hi BluesKaj
[10:00] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[10:48] <soee> Riddell: when you find 2 free minnutes, please ping me, i have a question @ installing plasma-next
[10:49] <Riddell> ping soee 
[10:50] <soee> Riddell: besides plasma-next ppa i need to add some other (from the dependency list) ?
[10:50] <Riddell> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-005
[10:50] <Riddell> that one
[10:51] <soee> ok, let me check :)
[10:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: I thought that was copied?
[10:53] <soee> Riddell: can you take a look http://paste.ubuntu.com/7652465/ ?
[10:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: not quite successfully last I heard
[10:55] <Riddell> soee: looks non-dangerous
[10:57] <soee> Riddell: what about plasma-desktop that is kept back ?
[11:01] <Riddell> soee: yes you'll probably need to install that explicitly
[11:01] <Riddell> doing that after a dist-upgrade would be wise
[11:07] <soee> an error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7652501/
[11:16] <soee> ok fixed that one, by runnign first  apt-get -f install (configured packages)
[11:16] <soee> and than sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/powerdevil_4%3a4.97.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1_amd64.deb
[11:17] <soee> still the plasma-desktop is kept back
[11:18] <soee> Riddell: if i try to install plasma-desktop now i think it wants to isntall old packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7652539/
[11:19] <yofel> looks like new packages
[11:20] <Riddell> soee: yep that's all new and shiny
[11:20] <soee> and the one lmarked to remove are fine ?
[11:21] <Riddell> yep all expected
[11:21] <soee> od installing than :)
[11:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1330445
[11:25] <soee> one more error http://paste.ubuntu.com/7652571/
[11:25] <soee> fil try the same steps as before
[11:26] <soee> ups this one it is a bit different
[11:27] <soee> ok can i remove this 2: libqt5positioning5 libqt5sensors5 ?
[11:32] <Riddell> hmm I thought I'd fixed that klipper error but maybe not
[11:32] <Riddell> soee: dunno, is it wanting to remove them?
[11:33] <soee> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7652605/
[11:35] <soee> ok ill try to reboot, hope i return :)
[11:35] <yofel> you can trust apt when it says they're not longer required
[11:36] <yofel> usually ^^
[11:37] <soee_> ;]
[11:38] <soee_> yay!
[11:38] <soee_> it works :D
[11:40] <sgclark> yay
[11:40] <soee_> the current version dos not have new lightdm style ?
[11:51] <Riddell> nope
[11:52] <apachelogger> there is no lightdm style
[11:53] <soee_> ok, the shortcuts also dont work ?
[11:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^ missing dep on kglobalaccel?
[11:55] <Riddell> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kglobalaccel5
[11:56] <Riddell> should be included in the same package
[11:56] <Riddell> soee_: but everything else works?
[11:57] <soee_> Riddell: more or less :) im not sure what should work and what not :) I can't load task manager settings, my wallpapers is gone and have only bclack screen 
[11:57] <soee_> but the missing wallpaper might be related to compositor settings
[11:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: random other reason: if qt didn't find xkbcommon during build it will build with an internal copy that is insanely old
[11:59] <apachelogger> going to guess it's not that
[11:59] <apachelogger> soee_: is kglobalacceel5 running
[12:00] <apachelogger> soee_: also what exactly do you mean by shortcuts
[12:00] <soee_> apachelogger: the libglobalaccel should be listed in system monitor ?
[12:00] <apachelogger> yes, kglobalaccel, no lib :P
[12:01] <soee_> yes it is, i cant use ALT+F2, activity switch shortcut so the common i use :) 
[12:01] <soee_> ill check if they are not removed
[12:01] <apachelogger> krunner has a bug in the beta
[12:01] <apachelogger> open kickoff
[12:02] <apachelogger> type something
[12:02] <apachelogger> the search should appear 
[12:02] <apachelogger> try to copy and paste in the search field there
[12:02] <apachelogger> if that is working it definitely isn't qt
[12:02] <apachelogger> (isn't a problem in qt I should say)
[12:03] <sgclark> I don't seem to have a right click menu to change wallpaper
[12:04] <soee_> apachelogger: i can type search text etc
[12:04] <soee_> but have not results :)
[12:04] <apachelogger> soee_: and kglobalaccel is not listed in ksysguard?
[12:05] <soee_> apachelogger: kglobalaccel5 is listed in system monitor'
[12:05] <apachelogger> probably krunner specific then
[12:05] <apachelogger> also I am not sure activities switching had shortcuts in the beta
[12:06] <soee> if i try to run krunner from terminal: "Unexpected reply signature: got "no signature", expected "i" (int)"
[12:06] <apachelogger> that sounds wrong
[12:06] <apachelogger> killall -9 krunner
[12:06] <apachelogger> then try again
[12:06] <apachelogger> actually
[12:06] <apachelogger> soee: I think something on your system was not upraded
[12:06] <apachelogger> that output sounds a lot like incompatibility in the dbus interfaces
[12:07] <soee> :/
[12:08] <soee> ok shorcutts like ALT+SHIFT+F12 work
[12:09] <soee> is there some cmd to restart plasma ?
[12:16] <soee_> where are stored kde settings now >
[12:18] <yofel> xdg dirs (.e.g ~/.config/... )
[12:21] <soee_> someone can confirm that context menu when clicking on desktop does not work ?
[12:21] <sgclark> I can confirm that it does not work for me either
[12:23] <soee_> also taskmanaer or systry settings windows load only widnow frame without content
[12:25] <sgclark> desktop effects was empty yeaah, not all of them though
[12:25] <soee_> can i open desktop settings window from terminal ?
[12:28] <Riddell> soee_: missing wallpaper is upstream issue, I fixed upstream but not in packages
[12:28] <soee_> Riddell: this is more related to compositor, for example if i turn off desktop effects i can se the default one
[12:29] <sgclark> Riddell: how did you change your wallpaper? :) this one is sooo last year
[12:30] <Riddell> new on is here https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/workspace/breeze/repository/revisions/master/changes/wallpapers/Next/contents/images/1920x1080.png
[12:30] <Riddell> click download
[12:31] <sgclark> ty
[12:34] <soee_> sgclark: can you change wallpeper without access to desktop properties ?
[12:38] <sgclark> I seem to have broke mine altogether, will answer when I get it going again. I think this laptop may not be able to handle vm
[12:53] <soee_> dolphins shows kde version as 4.13.1 its fine ?
[12:55] <sgclark> soee_ I will be packaging latest dolphin. was messing about with shiny new kf5, but I broke it, only have black sccreen, not sure what I did
[12:55] <soee_> :)
[12:56] <soee_> sgclark: but im asking about KDE version in unicorn
[12:56] <soee_> its 4.13.1 ?
[12:59] <yofel> soee_: 4.13.X where X is somewhere between 0 and 2
[12:59] <soee_> yofel: yup it shows 4.13.1 here
[13:01] <soee_> the plasma-next avaialble in ppa is beta2 right ?
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: congrats on becoming part of Kubuntu Council :D
[13:05] <ScottK> again (IIRC)
[13:06] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:13] <soee_> how can i reste all desktop settings in plasma-next (laso panel etc.)
[13:14] <Riddell> soee_: rm ~/.config/plasma*
[13:21] <Mamarok> oh, I was elected? Thank you :)
[13:21] <Riddell> you have the power!
[13:21] <Riddell> use it wisely
[13:22] <Mamarok> didn't expect it, there was a tough panel :)
[13:23] <Mamarok> and of course congratualtions to Riddell and ScottK for their reelection :)
[13:24] <Mamarok> congratulations*
[13:25] <santa_> fine, I got the plasma next thing working here too, still the packaging needs a bit of more work
[13:42] <ScottK> Thanks
[13:44] <ScottK> shadeslayer: KC should have a session soon to approve development plans for Utopic. 
[13:57] <Riddell> ScottK: was that not what the group call was about last month?
[13:59] <ScottK> Historically we've had the developers come up with a plan and later the KC approves.
[14:00] <ScottK> I thought the call was the first part of that. 
[14:01] <Riddell> having the KC review and approve the current trello list would be no bad thing
[14:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: will you blog the result or post it to fridge or something?#
[14:05] <shadeslayer> I go away for 30 minutes and my inbox gets full again
[14:05] <shadeslayer> I hate my life
[14:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: not today
[14:05] <soee> volume control is also missing in plasma-next ?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> use kmix
[14:12] <Riddell> sgclark: I think you're manually selecting approve on those merge proposals?  there's no need to as launchpad will magically set it to merge when it detects the bzr branches have been merged
[14:13] <soee> how can i run desktop mseetings crom command line ?
[14:13] <sgclark> Riddell: ah ok, new at this
[14:13] <soee> *settings
[14:24] <sgclark> Riddell: shouldn't "Has a merge proposal"  go away after I merge? also it looks like kwin and plasma-workspace has multiple requests
[14:25] <Riddell> sgclark: yes it should get updated within a few minutes
[14:26] <Riddell> e.g. https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/kubuntu-packaging-next/khotkeys-work/+merge/223179 is now set to merged
[14:27] <Riddell> I see only 1 request for each https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+activereviews
[14:28] <sgclark> someone named alex has some
[14:30] <Riddell> sgclark: URL?
[14:32] <sgclark> Riddell: evidently I am losing my mind because now they are gone, carry on, nothing to see here haha
[14:36] <sgclark> Riddell: I can't seem to find "dolphin" just plugins https://projects.kde.org/search/index/kde?q=dolphin&scope=all&all_words=1&projects=1&submit=Submit
[14:38] <Riddell> sgclark: dolphin is in kde-baseapps
[14:38] <Riddell> which I just confirmed by running  apt-cache showsrc dolphin
[14:39] <Riddell> KDE had a habit of putted a dozen different things in one source tar/svn archive.  much of that has been split up as kde moved to git but not all
[14:41] <sgclark> ahh ok, thanks
[14:53] <kubotu> feed branches had 10 updates, showing the latest 6
[16:07] <shadeslayer> I'm a leaf on the wind ....
[16:07] <shadeslayer> watch me soar ...
[16:49] <sgclark> Riddell: not sure what to do, this stuff wnt kde4 land depends, which is not going to help kf5
[16:53] <lordievader> Good evening.
[16:53] <Riddell> sgclark: which stuff?
[16:53] <kubotu> feed branches had 8 updates, showing the latest 6
[16:54] <sgclark> Riddell: trying dolphin
[16:54] <Riddell> sgclark: oh you probably have the kdelibs 4 branch
[16:54] <Riddell> is there a frameworks branch?
[16:55] <sgclark> probably, is there another area for kf5? only found the stuff we have in frameworks
[17:02] <Riddell> sgclark: there is a frameworks branch
[17:02] <Riddell> git clone kde:kde-baseapps; cd kde-baseapps; git checkout frameworks
[17:03] <soee> oh im back on old plasma :) to many issues and artifacts on plsma-next
[17:03] <soee> will test again next release
[17:14] <sgclark> Riddell: and still keep with all these apps or split out dolphin?
[17:18] <Riddell> sgclark: package all of them I say
[17:19] <sgclark> ok
[17:19] <Riddell> since that'll be the form upstream will release it in I should think
[17:19] <Riddell> so one kde-baseapps-4,80.0~git20140616.orig.tar.gz
[17:19] <Riddell> makes dolphin.deb and kfind.deb and whatever else
[17:20] <Riddell> although I've no idea why we have kfind any more since we have baloo
[17:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjw595chVgQ
[17:53] <kubotu> feed branches had 12 updates, showing the latest 6
[18:07] <shadeslayer> much fun, lintian doesn't warn if you use UNRELEASED in the top changelog entry
[18:07] <shadeslayer> but does if you use utopic
[18:08] <santa_> debianesque behaviour I guess
[18:09] <Riddell> sweet, refurbished kubuntu laptops for sale http://www.adverts.ie/search/user-279087/status_active/type_all
[18:10] <shadeslayer> I am so tired of merging
[18:10] <shadeslayer> does someone want to drive the last 20 or so packages