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andreasdaftykins: Do you have any idea on what I could do that may be able fix my problem?00:00
diddledanthe disconnections all state they're "user requested"00:01
daftykinsandreas: i've glanced and have been thinking, but i've also been divided between two users in another channel :)00:02
andreasNo. The fact is that at most of the times, I had no connection at all, but the wifi symbol on my internet manager showed that I was connected to my hotspot.00:03
andreasdiddledan: Therefore, the only thing I could do, was to disconnect and connect again00:04
diddledanok, standard networking diagnostics then. connect and run in a terminal "route -n" then "ping -c4 8.8.8.8" and paste the results00:04
andreasdiddledan: manually. this thing worked again for a couple of minutes, and then again I had no internet access. But my wifi symbol showed that I was connected to the hotspot.00:05
andreasOk, I will have to remove the wire then for a while, to connect to my hotspot, and I will be back again :)00:05
diddledanyeah, connect and wait until you have no access before running those two commands. also might be worth doing the same for ip6: "route -6 -n" and "ping6 -c4 2a00:1450:400b:c02::8a"00:06
andreasdiddledan: OK, thanks a lot. I am doing that now.00:07
diddledanalso might be worth a traceroute and traceroute6 to those two ip addresses00:07
diddledanif neither of the pings or traceroutes yeild anything helpful let's try pinging the university: ping -c4 10.43.223.25400:10
diddledanwow, I found an IP that nobody knows who the owner is00:15
diddledan(according to whois)00:15
diddledan(discovered from that syslog dump from andreas)00:16
diddledan163.1.2.100:16
diddledanit's one of the university's chosen forwarding dns servers00:16
diddledanI was trying to discover which university it was :-p00:16
diddledanaha, the other name server responds - oxford00:17
daftykinsyou know his hostmask is ox.ac.uk? :)00:19
diddledanthat woulda been too obvious for an idiot like me00:20
daftykinshey you're talking to someone who couldn't see an = sign00:25
diddledanthat's because there was no = sign :-p00:25
diddledanI love this on the oucs website: We want to use cookies to collect data on how people use our site. Click here to accept, and dismiss this notice. For more information, and to change your preferences later, see our cookie policy. If you prefer not to accept them you may disable them (this sets a cookie).00:26
diddledanwe want to use cookies. do you accept? no? then we'll use a cookie.00:27
daftykinsLOL00:27
diddledanshows that politicians shouldn't legislate when they don't understand what they're legislating00:27
diddledanthe whole EU cookie law is stupid00:28
diddledanlast I heard the enforcement agency in the uk have gone on record to state that they won't prosecute anyone who doesn't abide by the law00:28
diddledanwhich makes the whole law pointless00:29
diddledanlike the french law that you need a breathaliser in your car at all times00:29
diddledanthe law failed to appreciate that once you've used the one required breathaliser you no longer have a breathaliser and are thus breaking the law00:30
diddledanthe law now carries zero penalty but is still a legal requirement00:30
diddledanfarcical. the whole eu is a joke00:31
diddledanit started off well-meaning but then decended into politics00:31
diddledanthe problem is I actually think the eu could do so much good00:32
diddledaninstead they tell us we're not allowed to set cookies00:32
diddledanand.. wb andatche00:32
diddledanandreas:00:32
diddledanyou wandered-in right in the middle of my ranting and raving00:32
daftykinsXD00:35
daftykinsi agree with you there00:35
daftykinsand you know, down on the islands, though we're not part of the EU we have to meet most EU directives on things in order to be allowed to trade and cooperate with those in the EU around us00:36
andreashi again. For a very weird reason, my wireless is working fine in the past 20 minutes. I'll post the results now00:36
andreashttp://tny.cz/4ff3d72f00:36
daftykinsJersey just had to drop 60 grand on cow testing facilities i believe in order to be allowed to export beef to England again00:36
diddledanoh joy00:36
diddledangrr00:37
diddledandaftykins: surely a better option would be cow-tasting facilities! :-p00:37
andreashttp://tny.cz/3a7eb57700:38
diddledanandreas: maybe the network itself was having issues - it being a sunday night meaning that nobody will have been watching it  :-p00:39
andreasNo, I was having that for the past 4 days...00:39
diddledanI know at work the servers ONLY go down when I'm not available to fix them00:39
andreasboth at Eduroam and Residential network00:40
diddledanoddness00:40
andreashahaha :p00:40
diddledantho they're both backed by the same backhaul as far as I can tell00:40
daftykinsdiddledan: om nom nom00:40
andreasdiddledans: No, it's a problem with Ubuntu. I was using windows in the past 8 months here, and I never had problems...00:40
andreashttp://tny.cz/7857373000:41
daftykinsandreas: is there a webpage for the resnet service?00:41
daftykinsjust in case you know where to look off hand00:41
daftykinsi wonder if they offer any kind of support00:41
andreashttp://tny.cz/a82faa9300:42
diddledanluckily with it being a big university they're probably not going to dismiss you for using ubuntu like a commercial isp would00:42
daftykins:D indeed00:42
andreasdaftykins: As far I know, there isn't any website yet...00:43
daftykinshttp://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/network/addresses/ipv6.xml?ID=devicenets00:43
daftykinshmm not as useful as the result looked00:44
diddledanI love IP600:44
diddledanthat page is a proposal AFAICT00:45
daftykinsyeah00:45
diddledanbut.. IP6 makes subnetting so much cleaner than IP400:45
diddledanit's entirely CIDR-style00:45
andreasI will ask for support, but if they do not succeed they will just blame my wireless drivers I guess :p00:46
diddledanIP4 with the dotted-quad netmask callowed for some evil setups00:46
diddledanif they're really good they'll help you formulate a bug-report for the network driver if that is indeed the issue00:47
diddledanuni-techs are usually pretty good chaps00:47
diddledantho they might just say "plug it in" :-p00:47
daftykinsyeah, i'd bet it depends on the kind of department00:49
daftykinsWindows admins -> hands instantly thrown up in the air00:49
andreasthe fact is that while I have this very annoying problem all the time, very few times the network works as expected...00:50
andreaslike now...00:51
andreastherefore, I cannot reproduce the problem00:51
andreasand it would be very hard for me to explain, and for them to fix the problem...00:51
daftykinsandreas: do you have any friends/coursemates with normal rented accomodation with wireless networks you can try, or any holidays soon to head home and see how it works off of campus wireless?00:52
diddledanthat's a good plan00:52
andreasunfortunately no... Almost everybody at oxford lives either at College accommodation or University accommodation...00:52
andreasI might try that tho, in a coffe shop I guess00:53
diddledanif we can isolate it to specific to the laptop vs specific to the network that would help a lot00:53
diddledananother thing to test is whether a friend's different laptop with ubuntu 14.04 has similar issues00:53
andreasyes, this is a very good idea. I will go tomorrow to starbucks to check that..00:53
diddledanstarbucks ftw00:54
diddledanis starbucks' wifi free these days?00:54
diddledanI can't remember whether they opened it up or not00:54
diddledanit's been a while since I've been in one00:54
diddledanused to go regularly00:54
diddledan!enter | diddledan00:55
diddledanno !enter?00:55
andreasyes, it's free :) However, ssl is disabled :p00:55
andreasand you can connect for a limited time (I guess 1h ) at least in oxford...00:55
diddledannice00:55
andreas:) yes00:56
diddledanthey really should know better than to actively prevent ssl tho00:56
diddledanit's already a public network, they could at least allow people some chance of privacy protection00:56
daftykinsi'm getting major deja vu with this conversation now.00:57
diddledanoh?00:57
diddledandid I rant over that already?00:57
andreasYes, I agree. I have no idea why they do that.. Maybe to monitor that people do not use their network for "bad things"00:57
daftykinsprobably just us two helping someone late at night00:57
diddledanhehe00:57
diddledannightowls ftw00:58
andreashaha :) thanks a lot guys for your help00:58
andreasI'll check if I can connect without any problems at starbucks00:58
diddledanmaybe we should get the bot to change the topic after midnight00:58
andreasand I'll also seek some help from the support00:58
ali1234wlan0: deauthenticating from 40:18:b1:74:5d:54 by local choice (reason=3)00:58
andreasThanks a lot. you have been very helpful00:59
diddledanallo ali123400:59
ali1234this usually indicates CRDA problems00:59
diddledanCRDA?00:59
ali1234did you buy your wireless card in another country by any chance?00:59
diddledanoooh00:59
andreasI bought my whole laptop from another country.01:00
diddledanfrequency tables are listed01:00
andreasbut I haven't changed the card01:00
diddledancould be related01:00
diddledanali1234: aren't wifi chips supposed to cope with moving regulatory domains by locking to the regdom announced by the first wifi beacon it receives after powering on?01:01
ali1234no01:01
diddledanI was sure that was what I'd read elsewhere01:02
ali1234what CRDA does is only allow you to connet if the wireless card and the access point both agree that the channel is allowed01:02
ali1234so if you have a UK card, it won't connect to a misconfigured router in HK using channel 1301:02
diddledanhttp://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Regulatory/CRDA#Changing_regulatory_domains01:03
ali1234it looks like the card connected briefly though01:03
diddledanthat suggests it might be possible to switch01:03
diddledanyeah it connects sometimes01:04
diddledanand just now he remained connected for 20 minutes01:04
diddledanbut.. the resnet uses multiple access points with roaming between01:04
diddledanso I would also surmise they use multiple frequencies01:05
ali1234that could be it...01:05
diddledanthere are mentions in the logs of switching between BSSIDs01:05
daftykinsthat might be through legitimate movement though?01:06
daftykinsa driver would have to be pretty dumb to keep dancing between APs when they're rankable by signal strength01:07
ali1234what does "iwlist wlan0 channel" say?01:08
ali1234daftykins: it might be legitimate, but the different APs might be on different channels and one of those channels might be disallowed by CRDA, causing the drops01:08
diddledanif this is the problem the easiest fix will be to get a cheapo uk-licensed wifi-usb-thingy01:09
daftykinsali1234: ah i see01:09
diddledan(after checking it'll work with linux!)01:09
ali1234that would also probably fix it if the problem is a bad driver01:09
daftykinsbut then, surely a fine University campus would be configured to only operate the european channels? :D01:10
diddledandoes the uk have any channels available that the rest of europe doesn't?01:10
ali123412 and 13 are the usual troublemakers01:11
diddledanali1234: if this really is the issue (and it sounds like a strong candidate) then somebody needs to get network manager to understand the problem and alert the user with helpful text when it strikes01:12
ali1234yeah that would be nice01:12
diddledanjust dying isn't helpful at all01:12
ali1234this might not be the problem though01:12
diddledanhttp://gaspull.geeksaresexytech.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/cap-tech.jpg01:15
ali1234it took me forever to figure out when this happened to me01:15
ali1234more useful error messages would have been great01:15
diddledanindeed01:15
ali1234did anyone ever try inkjet refilling with the syringes and stuff?01:16
diddledanI decided it was a bad idea and didn't try01:17
ali1234i just ordered a kit01:17
ali1234it looks really easy in the video01:17
ali1234and so cheap... it was like £7 for enough ink to refill 20 times01:17
diddledanI suppose it depends which printer you have as to how easy it is01:17
ali1234and the cartridges are like £3001:17
diddledanHP inkjets, e.g. include the print-head in the cartridge which I would assume makes refilling a nightmare01:18
diddledanthe advantage however, is you get new heads everytime you replace the cartridge01:18
ali1234well, that's what i have :(01:18
ali1234the problem is that the heads always get blocked up when the cartridge dries out01:19
diddledanyeah01:19
ali1234so i figure just print out a test page every month and keep refilling01:19
diddledanI found I don't use a printer enough for inkjet to be suitable - they cartridges are always dead when I come to print something01:19
ali1234yeah01:20
diddledanI bought a chepo samsung colour laser instead01:20
diddledanno good for photos tho01:20
daftykinslow dpi?01:25
daftykinslol laser dpi, you know what i mean.01:25
diddledanoh no, dpi is fine01:26
ali1234yeah it's more about colour reproduction01:26
diddledanjust that the finished result isn't as good as inkjet on photopaper01:26
ali1234lasers work by melting plastic dust onto the paper, basically... it's just not the same as ink01:27
ali1234it doesn't mix the same way cos it's relatively large particles rather than liquid, and it tends to cake as well01:27
daftykinsyeah01:31
daftykinsi've done IT support01:31
daftykinshaha, reminds me of a time actually when a secretary at a place of education went to pick up a toner cartridge and spilt a load of toner all over her white shirt01:32
ali1234"no problem i'll just hoover it up..."01:32
daftykinswhere technically she shouldn't have been handling it as it wasn't her department, but eh...01:32
ali1234lol01:32
daftykinsi actually did have to go and fetch the toner vac from the IT lecturing department :)01:32
diddledanthat's why I went with a laser - dry powder just cannot dry out any more01:33
ali1234yeah it's far more economic if you rarely print01:38
daftykinsi wanted to sneak this cute little samsung mono laser scanner network combo from someone, but they ended up finding a use for it ;_;01:39
andreasI will have to sleep I guess :) Once again, thanks a lot for your help. I appreciate it a lot :)01:50
daftykinsgood luck o/ and do keep us updated01:51
daftykinsi love hearing the end to these tales01:51
andreasThanks. I will :) Goodnight guys01:53
diddledanwelcome here anytime01:57
daftykinsmore so if you bake01:58
daftykinsi like brownies and cheesecake01:58
diddledancheesecake ftw01:59
daftykins\o/02:00
* diddledan watching the original matrix in hd02:47
diddledan<3 the wachoskis02:49
diddledan+w02:50
knightwisemorning06:07
MooDoohello all06:10
knightwisemornin moodoo06:47
psichasmornin' you too06:48
MooDoohappy birthday AlanBell07:15
popeyanyone here use LUKS on 14.04?07:43
TwistedLuciditypopey: Is that what 'buntu encrypts the home folders with?07:57
popeyno07:57
popeythats ecryptfs07:57
bashrcmorning08:03
bashrcwhat is LUKS used for?08:04
Myrttiencryption08:06
popeyfull disk encryption..08:09
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:11
* popey falls off his chair08:11
bashrcwell I'm using full disk encyption on home and work machines, and they're running 14.0408:15
bashrcso perhaps I am using LUKS08:15
popeyI'm re-installing my laptop, tempted to use LUKS, but never have used it before, only used ecryptfs home directory encryption08:21
MyrttiI find it less hassle than ecryptfs08:23
MyrttiI used it for several years08:23
Myrttinot now though, because this laptop came OEM installed08:24
bashrcthese days I would recommend that everyone use full disk encryption. Even if it wouldn't stop GCHQ it probably would stop a laptop theif from getting to your email/accounts/banking stuff.08:24
Myrtti^^ yup08:24
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Monday and happy Fresh Veggies Day! :-D08:25
bigcalmIt's Baz from the Happy Mondays!08:26
MooDootwisting my melon man.08:26
JamesTaitpopey, I use LUKS on 14.04.08:32
foobarrysomebody is deleting 2000 emails click by click08:33
foobarrythe clicking is gonna make me go insane08:33
bashrcit is if its a mechanical keyboard08:34
foobarrydoing mouse clicks08:35
foobarrynot sure i dare mention shift-end delete08:39
foobarryenforced reboots after windows has decided to run updates clearly sends a mesasge they don't expect people are doing real work on a windows pc08:41
foobarryespecially as my laptop boots linux by default08:41
bashrcI dual booted with Windows for quite a number of years, but now I don't bother since I don't use Windows at all08:43
foobarryneed it on my work laptop for vsphere client08:44
foobarrythe web client doesn't have feature parity08:44
foobarryso i use it few times a week maybe08:44
foobarryget spammed with update notices every time i boot it08:44
foobarrysomehow the 40gb SSD partition is full too08:44
foobarrywin7+vsphere client :S08:45
dwatkinsI don't get why VMWare don't make a fully functional web-client that's built in to ESXi.08:51
MooDoothat's the thing that annoys me about vsphere, only a windows client.08:53
dwatkinsI guess if I ran a server, I'd have to run at least one virtual Windows instance for the vSphere webserver, but it's less than ideal.08:55
dwatkinsI assume the Windows client has more functionality, though.08:55
foobarryno, just different08:56
foobarryyou need both atm08:56
foobarryone can't do certain things , the other can't do certain things08:56
foobarrythe web client has generally more features at this point08:56
foobarrybut also sucks to use08:56
foobarryand is slow08:56
awilkinsWe were annoyed for a long time with certain server vendors Lights-out remote desktop clients09:03
awilkinsThey only worked properly on Windows / IE. Which was annoying because you were usually mounting an ISO of a Linux distro and installing it.09:04
awilkinsI still can't quite believe that people still fall into the trap of implementing things for IE09:05
directhexlow-bid contractors doing the work09:06
directhexIE6 is still king in china09:06
foobarryreally?09:07
foobarryhttp://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-CN-monthly-201202-20130209:08
bashrcIE is a muggs game09:09
diddledanmorning09:09
* diddledan needs cola09:09
foobarryie6 reminds me of 640x48009:10
diddledan(cola is my version of coffee :-p)09:10
diddledanfoobarry: mobile? :-p09:10
foobarryits the only time u ever saw it, on a machine with no drivers and no updated s/w09:10
brobostigonmorning boys amd girls.09:19
awilkinsIE is still my nemesis even in version 1009:19
awilkinsWill have to revise some page transforms because their output works perfectly well in Firefox or Chrome09:19
diddledan10?! you're allowed to target that recent?09:20
awilkinsBut IE doesn't support :before and :after psuedo-elements09:20
diddledanreally?09:20
diddledanI didn't know that09:20
diddledanawilkins: http://caniuse.com/#search=%3Abefore09:21
diddledanawilkins: partial support in 8, full support in 9+09:21
awilkinsWeird, because it just doesn't want to work for me09:21
awilkinsIs there some kind of special voodoo you have to do to get IE to turn that feature on?09:21
awilkinsLike telling it to pull it's socks up and be a better browser?09:22
awilkinsMaybe it's something else like the selectors I'm using09:23
awilkinsAha09:24
awilkinsIE sez : Document mode = "IE5 Quirks"09:24
diddledaneek09:24
foobarrywindows is refusing to accept my page file settings09:24
diddledanyour html is evil old then :-p09:24
foobarrysilently ignores09:24
awilkinsApparently it's gone from being the most presumptive browser in the world that guesses your mime-type to the most persnickity and prudish09:25
diddledanawilkins: to force it to standards mode change your <!DOCTYPE to read "<!DOCTYPE html>"09:25
awilkinsYou put it in standards mode and it works fine09:25
awilkinsStill not quite right but an improvement09:25
TwistedLucidityMyrtti: Does hibernate etc work with LUKS? It doesn't with ecryptfs (you have to enter a common secret before log-in to mount the swap partition).09:44
MyrttiI only do suspend so I wouldn't know09:45
TwistedLucidityMyrtti: OK - ta10:00
MyrttiI've not had anything than trouble with hibernate and I don't really see the reason for using it so I've just not used it :-D10:00
foobarryMyrtti: was discussing spinning wheels with wife's friend in case i want to surprise her with one10:05
foobarryshe has the http://www.winghamwoolwork.co.uk/kromski-wheels/39-kromski-sonata.html10:05
foobarrylooks similar to yours10:05
foobarryfeel out of my depth, like a granny buying a laptop10:06
mappshi all10:06
mappsanyone here use twitter much?10:07
foobarrymapps: did u lose loads of ££ on the spain match?10:08
mappsno because i didnt do my favourite tactic10:08
diddledanyour favourite tactic being "bet on the loser"?10:08
mappsLOL10:08
mappsvery funny10:08
mappsthats not the plan:P10:08
diddledanlol10:08
MooDoooh is football on the telly?10:09
diddledanooh post10:09
* diddledan wanders off10:09
mappsno..being that i prefer to want wel nothing to happen...so im under..under in football..bseballi..ice hockey....basketball10:09
mappsALWAYS under10:09
* foobarry is hit by a grue10:09
mappslol10:09
mappsthen after 1st goal i consider backing the next higher unders so like uder 3.510:09
mappsbut ive been burnt by it too many times10:09
foobarryi thought you were betting on spain to win big10:09
mappsI did bet spain10:10
mappsbut i bet on well..every atch10:10
mappsmatch10:10
mappsi bet over 2.5 goals in yesterdays games (didnt want to) but every game is going over10:10
foobarryso how much did u lose on the spain match?10:10
mappstotal?10:10
foobarryyeah10:10
mappsprobably like 1500 GBP10:11
mappsnoone thought spain would get battered10:11
mappsdont make out im the only one;p10:11
mappscant wait for this weeks 24....anyone else been watching10:12
foobarryafter RVP goal i thought they could pump a few more in10:12
foobarrythey= NED10:12
diddledanmapps: I been watching it10:12
diddledanit's getting exciting10:12
Myrttifoobarry: sure, I have no experience on it though. I know a person who sold hers to get a Schacht Sidekick. I personally would be anxious over the main wheel being so exposed but for the price it seems good, a lot lighter than mine (obviously - less wood). Get two extra bobbins though. I ordered more almost immediately.10:12
mappsyou liking it diddledan ?10:12
foobarrythey were so lifted by a great "sensible soccer" style header10:12
mappsyea totallt man10:12
diddledanare they gonna turn the girl?!10:13
mappsi thought it might be a let down when they talked about it..and the fact its ..12 eps?10:13
mapps100% yes10:13
foobarryMyrtti: your friend had the sonata ?10:13
diddledanyeah, it's still 24 hours apparently so they're gonna have a jump or two10:13
Myrttiyeah10:13
mappsbecause she finally saw what her mum was gonna do after the air strike10:13
foobarryhmm10:13
mappsahh ok10:13
mappsdeff turn her diddledan10:13
mappsthe bit where they chopped her finger off...10:13
mapps;[10:13
foobarrynot sure what others do that the kiwi doesn't10:14
diddledanmapps: that's what I thought - especially after she saw the aftermath of mummy trying to assassinate her10:14
mappsi think she's kinda hot tbh10:14
diddledansshhh10:14
Myrttifoobarry: maybe solid wood10:14
mappsnot as hot as agent walker10:14
diddledanshe's a bad guy!10:14
mappspah10:14
mappsdoesnt mean she cant be hot;p10:14
diddledanyeah, agent walker is awesome10:15
Myrttifoobarry: although it's not a sign of quality by any means. Mine is made of ply too10:15
mappsyep10:15
mappsloved her in chuck and dexter10:15
mapps100% stunning10:15
diddledanme too10:15
Myrttifoobarry: well, the main casing is ply, wheel is solid wood10:15
mappscant believe she's single..or i couldnt see any mention of a partner ec10:15
diddledanhmm, maybe we're in with a chance :-p10:15
mappslol10:15
mappsme..i doubt it..you welll who knows10:16
mapps:D10:16
diddledanlol10:16
TwistedLucidityMyrtti: I find it handy to simply close the lid, enter a zero power state, and then resume later. As I'm on an SSD, coming back from hibernate is faster than restarting applications.10:16
diddledanthere's rumour that she might lead a renaissance of 24 or a spinoff without jack10:16
mappshmm10:16
mappshang on10:16
diddledanthe producers didn't rule it out10:17
mappsyou mean continue 24 without jack?10:17
foobarrymade of European alder and birch10:17
diddledanthere's thinking along those lines yes10:17
mappsman NO NO NO10:17
mappsjack == 2410:17
mappsa spin off..sure10:17
mappsbut not 24 without jack10:17
diddledanI lost the link but I read an article last night with the producers about potential avenues to pursue if they felt they had a decent story10:18
mappssee what gets me right..people say it isnt as good as it used to be yea10:18
mappswell10:18
MyrttiTwistedLucidity: yeah, the only difference for me with that is that it's not zero power, but I don't usually keep my laptop off the leash that long10:18
mappsits still better than eastenders/emmerdale and MILLIONS watch that rubbish10:18
diddledanbollards!10:18
Myrttifoobarry: the care instructions on Kromski's website are confusing10:19
diddledanI think it got better as it went along10:19
foobarryi'm watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgTDEDYYoyA10:19
mappsalways shocked when i speak to people at work and theyve NEVER seen it10:19
diddledanas the characters grew you could see more of their motivations and such making the story more compelling in latter seasons10:19
foobarrymapps: seen what? football?10:19
mapps24!10:19
foobarrynever seen it10:20
mappsor ..well most tv series10:20
mappsomg10:20
diddledan:-o10:20
mappsok but wait youll have seen some of the shows i loved10:20
foobarrynever watched even 1 second of it10:20
mappsthe wire...sopranos..breaking bad ...prison break?10:20
foobarryno, no , no ,no10:20
foobarrynone of them10:20
diddledanfoobarry: definitely not 7 seasons of 24 hours?10:20
mappsomg10:20
bashrcI don't watch tv10:20
MooDoosuits, i'm addicted to that at the moment.10:20
mapps:[10:20
mappsyes10:20
mappssuits is GREAT10:20
foobarryUS tv generally sucks10:20
mappsand rachel === STUNNING10:20
mappsno way10:21
foobarrybecause its made for profit not story10:21
MooDoomapps: I'm more into donna10:21
TwistedLuciditymapps: Rachel + more pies = stunning10:21
Myrttifoobarry: kiwi does come with the sliding hook flyer, which makes it a bit nicer than the traditional multiple hook setup10:21
mappslol10:21
mappsreally? i dont see it with donna at all10:21
mappsnoit saying she's ugly..but just dont see much10:21
diddledanI always preferred willow to buffy :-p10:22
foobarryMyrtti: i would need a windfall or payrise to afford this for mrs foobarry10:22
TwistedLucidityGabriel Macht has had a few roles. Always plays the same cock-sure character. Worked well in Suits.10:22
foobarryi think i'll ask her to try her friends one out10:22
diddledanTwistedLucidity: are you allowed to say the C-word in here?10:23
Myrttifoobarry: yeah, sounds like a good idea10:23
foobarryshe doesn't like surprises much anwya10:23
mapps24 /crisis / continum / enlisted / colbert report /orphan black/ gang related /melissa and joey/ fargo/major crimes/criminal minds /motive/veep/the americans10:24
mappsthats just some of what i watch at10:24
foobarrynope10:24
mappsatm10:24
TwistedLuciditydiddledan: It's a verb (to cock a gun; where cock-sure comes from), a male chicken and an item of plumbing. Why would that be banned?10:24
foobarrythen again they aren't on UK telly10:24
mappsanyone else watch graceland o fargo those are great!10:24
Myrttiyeah I'd get mad for any surprise purchase over the value of £75 pounds done without my knowledge to 'surprise me'10:24
diddledanTwistedLucidity: nono, character10:24
foobarryMyrtti: yeah, esp an engagement ring :P10:24
foobarrywhich is why i gave haribo rong10:25
TwistedLuciditydiddledan: Heh10:25
TwistedLuciditySure I've seen Rick Hoffman in something else too10:25
mappssomeone getting married?10:25
foobarryno, was long ago10:25
mappsoh10:25
Myrtti... I proposed with a jubilee clip and then we went to the jewellers and it was a bit more expensive than I totally felt comfortable with, but I plan to wear it the rest of my life and it reflects geekyness in both of us, so...10:26
Myrtti(I proposed on Leap Day, obviously)10:26
mappsi dunno what that is10:26
mappsjubilee clip?10:26
Myrtti(or of course)10:26
Myrttihttps://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/6941119761/10:26
diddledanmapps: a ring used to secure pipes together10:26
mappsoh10:27
Myrttihose clamps or jubilee clips, have heard both used for those10:27
mappswhys that greeky10:27
foobarryhad to speak to 1500+ people yesterday :S10:27
mapps;[[10:27
foobarrytwice10:27
foobarrydon't like public talking10:27
mappswhat were you doing?10:27
mappsand me too10:27
diddledanwhat geek does?10:28
mappsi go into my speak really quick mode10:28
mappstalk really quick and that makes it worse lol10:28
TwistedLuciditymapps: Go to a speaking club.10:29
mappsif i talked at a normal pace people prob wouldnt think much but when i speak quick..oh oh10:29
mappsits a combination..like ....also get hoit and bothered then standing there sweating and talking like im in a race10:29
mappsluckily dont have to do any now10:30
foobarrychatting at church about my dad on fathers day. who passed away jan 2013, so a bit more stressy for that reason too10:30
directhexi'm better with public speaking than talking on the phone10:30
TwistedLuciditymapps: Don't go to a soeaking club then. :-)10:30
Myrttihttps://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/tags/engagementring/ - it's got binary engravement and a ruby for geeky reasons :-D10:30
directhexgod i hate phones10:30
mappsheh10:30
Myrttidirecthex: oh yes.10:30
Myrttiphones are the invention of the devil.10:30
mappsno10:30
mappsi love my iphone ...is that ok to say here?10:30
Myrtti(for voice communications)10:30
foobarryhttp://i.imgur.com/AoRr2cV.jpg10:31
Myrttithe device itself is fine. The voice communication sucks10:31
TwistedLucidityMyrtti: One month's salary >.<10:31
MyrttiTwistedLucidity: half.10:31
mappsruby for ruby on rails?10:31
mappsnah cant be10:31
TwistedLucidityMyrtti: BARGAIN!10:31
Myrttimapps: yeah, he used it as a pickup line10:31
directhexi feel trapped by the phone, i hate talking on it10:31
mappswhat did he say? :)(10:31
Myrttifirst date he gave me a Vim pocket book as a present, second one I wore a pink emacs cheat sheet t-shirt10:32
diddledanI'm fine on the phone provided it's not a machine10:32
diddledananswermachines are the invention of the devil!10:32
Myrtti"If I'd give you a Ruby, would you throw it back?" I replied "no, but I might slap you with LaTeX"10:32
diddledanMyrtti: kinky10:33
Myrttiinnit10:33
mappsLOL10:33
mapps]i assumed you're a guy10:33
mappsbut judging by the 'he gave me' i guess you're the woman10:33
Myrttione of the invisible pink unicorns yes10:34
Myrttithe existance of us is a matter of faith10:34
mappsjust a habbit..i assume everyone on irc is a guy10:34
foobarryi went to oggcamp and there were lots of women, Myrtti was one of them10:34
mappsand everyone in a tech/nerd channel deff guy10:34
mappsi see10:34
mappsits just my own assumptions10:34
mappsat uni there was like 2 girls in my lectures10:34
diddledanmapps: in modern society it is dangerous to 1) assume X is a guy, 2) assume X and Y are the standard gender roles10:34
mappsagree10:34
foobarrymost women were  flanked by a male geek, looking proud10:34
mappsbut still what i think a first;p10:34
mappslol10:35
Myrttifoobarry: :-D10:35
Myrttisnerk.10:35
mappsMyrtti,  i guess you do some kind of tech job?10:35
Myrttioggcamp is one of the rare occasions where most people knew me beforehand so knew not to ask me "so who are you here with"10:35
foobarrysomehow i managed to snag a really hot wife. but thats my own opinion ..and thats all that matters.10:35
mappsheh10:35
diddledanfoobarry: lucky get10:36
mappsso what do you all do to be able to come on irc at (i assume work)?10:36
foobarrywork10:36
mappspah10:36
mappswell clearly not on a checkout;p10:36
diddledanmapps: I'm working from home10:36
Myrttimapps: open source developer community manager for a school offering education in Finnish equivalents of GCSE/A-levels/community college stuff, most of it online but some as boarding school10:36
mappsahh ok cool diddledan10:36
foobarryhad a really busy few weeks at work, so this is a bit of downtime so as not to burnout10:37
mappsah10:37
mappsworking from home sounded cool and i did want it..but I live on my own so i dont think id see anyone10:37
foobarrycan't maintain the same high work rate without a part failing10:37
mappsid be 'the hermit at the end house'10:37
mapps:D10:37
Myrttiwe do development of our own school management system and learning platform10:37
foobarrymrs foobarry thinks i would go insannce working at home10:37
foobarryinsane*10:37
Myrttiand yes, I'm working from home in UK to Finland.10:37
mappswhy?10:37
mappskids/wife foobarry ?10:37
foobarryi'm  introvert but i stil like contact10:38
mappsyea10:38
mappsi guess im the same..im quite happy to go to work and sit in a booh on my own or with my mate10:38
foobarryeven tho most others annoy me some how in their office habits10:38
foobarryopen plan sucks10:38
mappsand barely move from my booth10:38
foobarrybooths are cool10:38
mappsbut working from home id see NOONE10:38
mappsyep 100% agree10:38
foobarryits just good to know people are there if needed10:38
mappsopen plan is so so crap..especially with where i work..we all have sport on and its crap have to have the volume low..can hear others audio and then can hear them talking etc10:39
foobarryyou need occulus rift virtal office app10:39
diddledangoogle talk ftw10:39
diddledanthough only the text side10:39
diddledanhttp://www.hotforsecurity.com/blog/hacked-restaurant-chain-goes-back-to-the-1970s-to-protect-itself-from-hackers-9248.html10:40
mappsim kinda excited for ios8 ..am i the only one:D10:40
bigcalmI thought that popey was the Apple fanboi10:41
mappshah10:41
diddledannope that crown goes to shauno10:41
mappsi love my iphone..and my ipad :D had the 3gs/4s/5 now got the 5s10:41
mappshad the ipad2/3 and now the air :)10:41
foobarryi like my hp touchpad..cos i got it cheap10:42
mappsi like my nexus7 for the price and fact i can watch films on it that i play of usb10:42
mappsbut im sold on iphone for sure :)10:42
mappsi find android hard work10:42
diddledanI'm excited for the ios8 keyboard replacement functionality - maybe lastpass will build an enhanced keyboard which allows password entering without switching apps (like they do on android)10:44
mappsnot sure what you mean10:44
mappspassword enterring without switching apps?10:44
diddledanon ios you need to switch to the lastpass app, copy the password into the clipboard and then switch back and paste the password from the clipboard (that is unless you're using bad passwords that you can remember)10:45
mappsah10:46
mappsi can and am ythen10:46
diddledanif you're using a bad enough password that you can remember it then type it manually :-p10:46
mappsthats why i was kinda wondering what you meant10:46
mappson an ios related issue...i cant connect to the wifi in the restaurant at thew hotel..full signal and ive got the pass..but it just sits on the enter pass screen doesnt even say incorrect pass?10:47
diddledanodd10:47
mappsyea no error..nothing so i dont really see what i can do10:47
diddledanhttp://www.hotforsecurity.com/blog/us-government-to-auction-18-million-of-the-silk-roads-bitcoins-9253.html10:51
bigcalmsudo: add-apt-repository: command not found10:55
bigcalmWell that's a bit silly10:55
awilkinsNeed to install a package10:56
diddledanpython-softwareproperties?10:56
diddledansomething like that10:56
bigcalmdiddledan: aye10:57
foobarrysomebody gave me a telly, they don't want anything for it , for its a decent telly they could have sold. quandry :S10:57
bigcalmSurprised that it's not installed by defaulty10:57
bigcalm-y10:57
foobarrydo u give the full market price as per ebay, or some other abitrary amount10:57
foobarrydefaulty = something thats broken out of the box?10:57
diddledanfoobarry: take the thing then run and hide10:58
foobarryits from my sis10:59
foobarrythey didn't need it any more, but could have sold it for £100 maybe10:59
diploJust help them out with no questions asked next time they need something?11:00
foobarryi do that anyway11:00
awilkinsIf the US gov is auctioning bitcoin, this presumably implies that they consider them a legitimate form of property11:00
foobarryis popping 50 quid in their account although they don't want anywthing a bit tight?11:01
foobarrywow. 32 inch samsung LED is 219 brand new11:02
foobarry19911:02
awilkinsTempting11:02
foobarryhttp://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-blu-ray/televisions/large-screen-tvs-32-and-over/samsung-ue32f5000-32-led-tv-21255337-pdt.html?gclid=CNao6rmf_r4CFQEUwwod-YcAXw&srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~~~Exact&mctag=gg_goog_7904&s_kwcid=AL!3391!3!50677667244!!!g!81182829924!&ef_id=UsvQCgAAAEV5HFxc:20140616110240:s11:03
foobarrystuff is cheap nowadays11:03
awilkinsI have an old CRT still11:03
foobarryso did i11:03
awilkinsCost me 4 times that11:03
awilkinsNow I'm wondering how much 'leccy it consumes11:03
foobarryextra £15 per year11:03
foobarrybut you do get heat.11:04
awilkinsAnd my MythTV box is ancient11:04
awilkinsAnd also energy inefficient11:04
awilkinsBut SD11:04
foobarryhidden cost of new telly is the chromecast etc you will inevitably buy11:04
mappsseems that way awilkins  how are the auctioning them/11:04
diddledanmapps: it looks like a sealed auction11:10
diddledanyou need to pay 200k$ to be granted the privilege of bidding11:10
mappsah11:10
mappslol11:10
mappsreally?11:10
awilkinsAs a deposit11:11
awilkinsPresumably refunded if you don't win11:11
mappsstill dont think i can manage that:)11:11
awilkinsIf you do win, you get a visit from a black helicopter and a copy of President Obama's autograph11:11
mappsi thught it'd be open to all11:11
awilkins(on your Gitmo 2 detention certificate)11:11
mapps:D11:16
NET||abusehi guys. anyone got opinions on which irc bouncer to use, and what gui to connect to it with?11:17
NET||abusei'm using weechat, but i keep getting into a too many channels to manage with an ncurses interface situation.11:18
NET||abuseSo i'm resigning to going back to a gui frontend11:18
MyrttiI personally would find a gui too cumbersome with a lot of channels :-D11:18
NET||abusebut i see bnc and znc as two bouncer options.11:18
NET||abuseznc says it's a multiuser system, bnc is a "simple to use" version.11:19
mappshii NET||abuse11:19
directhexi use bip as a bouncer11:19
mappsxchat? or hexchat is that what the free ones called?11:19
NET||abusemapps: not sure, i've used xchat in the past, but not for a few years now.11:19
NET||abusei've lived in irssi and weechat now for the last 3 years i think.11:20
mappshttp://www.psybnc.at/11:20
mappspsyBNC is ok11:20
davmor2NET||abuse: I use irssi as my remote client and connect to it with xchat11:20
NET||abuseyou can do that too ca't you.11:20
NET||abuseweechat or irssi as the bouncer in effect.11:20
davmor2NET||abuse: yes you jusr fire up irssi and then do /LOAD proxy http://www.irssi.org/documentation/proxy11:22
davmor2works well for me I have 50 channels currently11:22
davmor2on multiple networks11:23
mappsi just use xchat and leave my machine on 24/711:23
NET||abusemapps: i've only got a laptop and i work in 3 different locations11:23
mappsah]11:24
NET||abusebut i have a digitalocean box which i use as my persistent connection.11:24
foobarryok, i've loaded screen_away11:24
foobarrysupposed to mark me away if sscreen is detached11:24
foobarrycan someone test it pls?11:24
davmor2NET||abuse: /!\ xchat isn't fond of changing wifi networks so you are best closing it and reopening it11:24
davmor2foobarry: test what11:25
NET||abuseoh that's not even a concern11:25
foobarrydavmor2: test if i have an away message11:25
foobarryif i detach my screen and you pm me11:25
foobarrydetaching...11:25
mappsGAH11:26
mappsSTILL cant get this wifi to work11:26
Myrttifoobarry: works11:26
davmor2mapps: what up11:27
foobarryyay thanks11:27
mappsnot too sure davmor211:27
mappsgot the pass for wireless..strong signal but it doesnt connect11:27
mappsno error..no incorrect pass just shows me the pass box again11:27
davmor2mapps: try forgetting the network and try again11:28
foobarrydo away mesages work if i even mention a name in a chan?11:28
davmor2foobarry: pass11:28
foobarryby work, i mean "tell the other person"11:28
mappsthats what i did :( then i diud the turn it off and back on11:28
davmor2Go away again I'll tell yoou11:28
mappsand getting nowhere...cant think what it could be11:28
davmor2foobarry: muppet11:29
davmor2anyone see an away message I forgot I have them switched off11:29
foobarrytry again11:29
foobarryi wasn't away yet11:29
davmor2foobarry: muppet11:30
foobarrydon't think so11:31
foobarryprob not the intended functionality tbh11:31
foobarrywhois will show the status11:31
diddledanI need feeding time11:33
foobarrythings looking better for schumacher11:38
* popey pokes bigcalm 11:39
Myrttifoobarry: I wouldn't necessarily say that11:44
Myrttijust that they're moving him from one hospital to another11:45
foobarryhe's out of coma though allegedly?11:45
mappsschumacher yea11:46
mappscommunicating with his family it says11:46
Myrttiwell that's old news to a certain extent11:46
mappswasnt it a monh or so ago papers said he had almost no chance to get out of the coma?11:46
Myrttihttp://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/good-news/11:47
foobarrymy bad for thinking tabloids might even report this 10% accurately11:50
foobarryi really should block all tabloid from my internet11:50
Myrttiit's not even about tabloids, it's about the fact that the language used in the press release was probably purposefully ambivalent11:51
foobarrythe quote from the manager " 'Michael has left the CHU Grenoble to continue his long phase of rehabilitation. He is not in a coma anymore.'"11:52
foobarrynot really sure who i believe now11:56
Myrttinot being in a coma doesn't really mean that much though. People can be out of coma but not have awareness of their surroundings11:56
foobarryhopefully he is improving11:56
Myrttilet's hope so11:57
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MooDoopopey: is this something you're looking for ? http://lowtek.ca/roo/2012/how-to-add-second-drive-to-luks-ubuntu/12:12
* bigcalm prods popey 12:21
popeynice one MooDoo12:34
MooDoopopey: yeah just seen your g+ post, yw!12:34
MooDoorats my dell r200 cpu doesn't support VT pah!12:43
diploAren't the R range supposed to be designed for Virtual ?12:45
MooDoodiplo: not with the process I've got in it.12:46
diploBeen a while since I looked at Dell prods mind, they were just coming out as i left12:46
MooDoooh it's at least 6 yrs old12:46
diplo:)12:47
MooDoostill it works and it's a server at home for me to play with :)12:48
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bigcalmYes it's OEL, but where might I find an archive for Karmic?12:55
popeyold-releases.archive.ubuntu.com12:56
bigcalmOh, it is there. Phew. Thanks12:56
=== alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g
foobarryis there a mibbit type app for accessing freenode?13:23
foobarryah, webchat13:24
MooDoohttp://webchat.freenode.net/13:24
Myrttimibbit, kiwiirc13:24
Myrttieh.13:25
Myrttiwebchat, kiwiirc13:25
Myrttibrain went a gear too fast13:25
foobarrydidn't mibbit block freenode?13:25
MooDoofoobarry: http://blog.mibbit.com/?p=30613:26
MooDoowow 2009 lol oops13:26
diddledanI just pointed a colleage at RFC 1216 and RFC 121713:34
diddledancolleague**13:34
bigcalmpopey: am I going mad? I thought that Karmic was on old-releases.archive.ubuntu.com - now I can't find it13:35
popeybigcalm: what are you looking for? an iso?13:35
bigcalmA repo13:35
diddledanisn't that classed as necrophillia?13:35
MooDoobigcalm: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1895629.html13:36
bigcalmI don't expect ubuntu.com to keep everything forever, I know karmic is EOL13:36
popeyoh, maybe not13:36
MooDooit's here -13:36
MooDoohttp://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/13:36
MooDoowell there is a karmic folder there13:37
* bigcalm scratches his head13:37
bigcalmIt is there!13:37
popeyso basically just edit sources.list and change gb.archive.... to old-releases.ubuntu...13:37
bigcalmHumm, the 'archive' in the URL is the killer13:37
Laneybecause old-releases.archive is the wrong host13:37
popeymy bad, sorry.13:37
MooDoobigcalm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7653078/13:37
* bigcalm kicks things13:38
bigcalmNo worries :)13:38
MooDoocan you add this to the sources.list or shoudl I just shut up?13:38
MooDoolol13:38
bigcalmMooDoo: hah, thank you. I will be using that :)13:38
MooDooI'm on a roll today, now to install ubuntu server lts and play with nic bonding :)13:39
diddledanhttp://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc716913:43
MooDoook who's applying :) https://ch.tbe.taleo.net/CH03/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=85113:46
foobarryfred ham13:46
foobarryjoe cheese13:47
popeyoooh!13:47
MooDoopopey: you going for it.....hint hint13:47
popeyDon't think that's something I want to comment on.13:47
MooDoohehe13:48
diddledanwell that's an answer if we want to read into it :-p13:48
MooDoohe'd only apply so he can org more sprints in exotic places ;)13:49
diddledanhmm, English fluency is a requirement. that puts me out13:49
diddledanI don't suppose there'll ever be a need for an idiot incumbant. that would totally suit me13:51
Laneyyou could manage me! https://ch.tbe.taleo.net/CH03/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=84713:51
diddledandammit, again with the English fluency! are you all descriminating against me?13:52
foobarryyes, because you can't spell discriminating13:52
diddledanlol13:53
diddledanI knew it was wrong because the red squiggles told me so13:53
foobarrydesirable skills: working in a bedroom or shed13:53
diddledanI couldn't be bothered to fix it13:53
diddledanooh I can do that13:53
Laneyshedroom13:54
foobarrywill maybe get a shedroom if the extension comes under budget13:56
daftykinsoh my my, just got paid for a small laptop job in coins13:58
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/ypx21iw33wi4hry/IMG_20140616_144857.jpg13:58
diddledanoh joy13:58
diddledanheavy pocket day13:59
daftykinsindeed!13:59
daftykinsjust lucky we have our fine Guernsey £1 notes13:59
directhexbritish coins?14:00
directhexstop stealing our money, foreigner!14:00
daftykinswhat ever do you mean, only that £1 coin is yours :>14:00
daftykinsoh there was an English fiver too14:00
foobarrygo to sainsburys , buy food, throw it all in the coin tray14:01
daftykinslol14:01
daftykinsnormally i'd point out we don't have mainlander supermarkets, but my local co-op (different to the UK ones) have those automated tills now \o/14:01
daftykinspretty neat being able to get in and out and keep the headphones in, no need for social interaction \o/14:02
diddledangerroff my lawn!14:02
diddledansocial interaction is for kids14:03
daftykins;)14:03
foobarryand needy people14:03
foobarryextroverts and the like14:03
diddledanonce you reach a certain age you wish the whole world would ignore you yet will they ever?!14:03
diddledanit would help if they paid you for the privilege of ignoring you14:04
diddledanit's amazing the number of people on public transport during rush hour that have headphones jacked-in14:05
daftykinsindeed14:06
daftykinsi think there was an image a bit ago that had the past, where people would meet those at the bus stop - then now where everyone's in their own bubble14:06
diddledanif I'm doing the rush hour thing then I'm usually one of them too14:06
daftykinswhy would anyone ever commute away from amazingstoke?!14:07
daftykinssurely it's the place to be14:07
diddledanI only go across town - it's about an hour bus ride tho14:07
daftykinsO_O14:08
daftykinsthat'd be a lap of the island14:08
diddledanfollowed by the dreaded 3/4 mile walk over a huge-ass hill14:08
foobarrydoes it have a big bum crack?14:09
diddledanI'm not sure the residents of cliddesden would like their pokey posh-knobs' village referred to as a big bum crack14:10
davmor2diddledan: but apparently posh and knob is fine14:13
daftykinshe's referring to their door dressings14:14
davmor2diddledan: I think you mean the la-dee-da residents ....14:14
diddledandavmor2: the jolly hockey-stick brigade14:14
davmor2haha14:14
diddledanthe stiff upper lip, what what14:15
MooDooflash by name and flash by nature. huzzah!14:16
davmor2HUZZAH!14:16
diddledanis that a kayak in my pocket or am I pleased to see you?!14:17
diddledangotta love Bob14:18
diddledanand slack bladder's inability to say the name14:19
MooDoodiddledan: you mean the bob which is short for kate?14:19
diddledanyup14:19
MyrttiBobcats?14:20
Myrttihttp://theoatmeal.com/comics/bobcats_monday14:20
Myrttibobcats.14:20
diddledanapparently the way slack bladder says Bob was entirely by accident because Rowen Atkinson has a speach problem when it comes to B's and Bob having two made him think very hard about how to say it clearly each time he said it resulting the weird delay14:21
daftykins:D14:22
daftykinsthat's hilarious14:22
foobarryi foudn the female bob rather attractive14:24
diddledanI'd marry him to prevent his demise into male prostitution14:26
foobarryworth a course of leeches14:27
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TwistedLucidityWhat's a good tool for editing PDFs? (Extracting pages and masking content)14:27
foobarrythere's a cli tool for extractig pages14:28
diddledanthat link, Myrtti , I wonder if there's really a johnson@boydtech.com14:28
foobarryand oo draw lets you play with objects on page14:28
TwistedLucidityWhat I need to do is pull one page from my phone bill, and mask private numbers. This is so I can claim company expenses.14:29
foobarryexport the page as a png using ht ecli tool14:29
foobarrypdftk14:29
TwistedLucidityOooo-nice idea14:30
foobarryhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/221962/how-can-i-extract-a-page-range-a-part-of-a-pdf14:30
foobarrypdfshuffler is cool14:30
TwistedLucidityI used to use something - can't remember what it was for the life of me. Might have been shuffler.14:32
foobarrychoux-fleur14:36
Armag3dd0n24im bored :/14:36
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foobarryArmag3dd0n24: have you finished reading the internet yet?14:37
foobarrythe whole internet.14:37
Armag3dd0n24yes! twice now. :p14:37
foobarryi just saw a new page14:37
TwistedLucidityfoobarry: imagemagick is awesome. "convert -density 300 in.pdf out.png" Spits out as indiviual pages. Just what I want.14:37
foobarrycomputers are awesome*14:38
foobarry*when they do good things14:38
awilkinsGood software is awesome14:38
tecmahello14:46
daftykinshi14:49
tecmahi daftykins14:49
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davmor2bigcalm: did you figure out how to make irssi-proxy load by default?16:17
bigcalmdavmor2: how do you mean?16:19
bigcalmdavmor2: starting irssi to start irssi-proxy?16:19
bigcalmIf so, yes16:19
davmor2bigcalm: yes16:19
davmor2bigcalm: as in autostarting irssi-proxy16:19
Myrttiecho "load proxy" > .irssi/startup16:21
bigcalmecho "/load proxy" >> ~/.irssi/startup16:21
Myrttiwell, yes.16:21
Myrttibigcalm got it better16:21
* bigcalm hugs Myrtti16:21
davmor2bigcalm: Myrtti: spent ages trying to figure that out.  LOAD proxy is the one that worked for me /LOAD PROXY failed dismally which was the only reference I found online16:22
* bigcalm shrugs16:23
bigcalmit's what is in my ~/.irssi/startup16:23
Myrttiwell, the proxy thing is a plugin, not a script16:23
Myrttiso it needs a bit of extra love16:23
MyrttiI'm trying to fight the need to get a nap so bad16:24
Myrttiblaar16:24
mappsa nap at this time?16:24
mappswont that make it hard to sleep later16:25
Myrttithere is a reason why I'm fighting the nap16:26
mappsheh16:27
mappssome people can have naps and still sleep later..i cant tho bu i only sleep 6-8 hrs a night16:27
mappsmy friend can sleep for 12-1516:27
daftykinsi'm like that :/16:29
mappsreally/16:34
mapps?16:34
mappsdamn how16:34
mappsmy friend will go for a nap say 5pm-9pm then skeep 9-10 hrs16:34
daftykinssleeping 12hrs straight?16:34
mappsyea16:34
daftykinsoh well i never nap, i consider it wrong16:34
daftykinsi'm either up or down :>16:34
daftykinsthe only thing that messes with my sleep is the alearm clock effect16:34
mappsheh16:37
daftykinsmapps: did you see my many different disk and SSD benchmark pic? :>16:37
mappsnah lets see16:38
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/p59zslb8e7wy9ms/drives.png16:38
daftykinsHDD, 2 x HDD in RAID 0, then 4 x SSDs16:39
mappswill check at ht16:39
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[ENG]mappshi19:13
bigcalmGood evening peeps :)20:29
popeyYo!20:29
bigcalmWhat's happening?20:37
bigcalmThat much eh?20:41
foobarrypopey: u know that discussion t'other day about facebook20:42
foobarryand commenting on groups20:42
foobarrya friend's comment on an open group appeared in my main feed on my phone20:42
dogmatic69_Anyone know of a tutorial on setting up a new raid 1 for existsting system?20:51
popeyfoobarry: an open group you're in?21:13
awilkinsHoly shit. No Man's Sky .... 7 man dev team21:25
awilkinsOoops, wrong channel21:26
awilkinsApologies for offensive language21:26
popeyawilkins: I agree though21:27
popeyit does look amazing21:27
popeytheir trailer is one of the videos I use to test media playback on ubuntu phone ☻21:27
dogmatic69_this seemed to do the tick with raid, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=168799421:30
diddledanoh this isn't going to stir the hornets' nest any: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/jun/16/british-public-wrong-rich-poor-tax-research21:31
Horneta wild ping appeared!21:31
diddledanHornet: ponbg21:31
diddledanpong*21:32
awilkinsNo Man's Sky reminds me of Outcast, visually21:32
bigcalmWhen merging 2 branches in git and there's a conflict. How would I get it to discard the version in the branch I started with and use the version from the incoming branch?21:34
diddledanbigcalm: you would need to resolve the conflicts individually AFAICT21:36
bigcalmdiddledan: by hand?21:36
bigcalmHo hum21:36
bigcalmI might as well just grab the file I want from gitlab21:37
diddledanalternatively discard one branch and work off a fork of the other21:37
awilkinsI use `git mergetool`21:39
bigcalmNa, I'm in the process of merging test into master for a deployment tomorrow21:40
awilkinsMy preferred tool is Beyond Compare (one of the few softwares I pay for on Linux)21:40
diddledanthen the question I have is why has master changed independantly of test?!21:40
awilkinsSomething else merged into it?21:40
diddledanso why didn't you merge that something else into test at the same time to remain baseline?!21:40
bigcalmdiddledan: it was a hot fix that was needed on production but would be replaced when this version was deployed21:42
diddledanhttp://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/21:42
bigcalmI hate live hot fixes21:42
bigcalmThat image follows what we do already21:43
diddledannote the hotfix 0.2 on that chart21:43
diddledanthe hotfix is applied not only to live BUT ALSO into all future development brances21:43
diddledanbranches21:43
bigcalmThe hot fix that was deployed had no use in development21:43
diddledanthat's besides the point, you still need it to prevent this situation21:44
bigcalmQuite so21:44
diddledanmerge it in and then immediately create a commit which removes it again21:44
diddledanthis will then maintain the order of activity when you merge a dev branch into live21:45
diddledanas it is your dev branch which you're merging has a different baseline to the live branch which causes this kind of issue - following that guide you could have prevented it21:46
bigcalmFair enough21:47
diddledanas it is you need to now manually clean up because the merge has thrown a wobbly (otherwise you'd not be asking the question :-)21:48
diddledangit does a nice job of highlighting merge conflicts with <<<<< and ====== and >>>>>> delimiters21:49
diddledanwhich also happily break the code if you don't sort them so that it's easy to spot when you go QA21:49
diddledan(or if you miss one)21:49
diddledansyntax errors are awesome for spotting missed merge conflicts (unless they make it into the live version :-p) ::-)21:51
dogmatic69_I made a raid 1 and I cant get it to auto mount or whatever it needs to do on boot.21:53
dogmatic69_When I boot I just see the two drives21:53
diddledandogmatic69_: did you do it with a motherboard's raid functionality?21:54
dogmatic69_no, softraid21:54
dogmatic69_mdadm21:54
diddledanthen that is indeed odd21:54
dogmatic69_ye21:54
diddledanfakeraid aka motherboard raid causes that kind of issue - linux has got a lot better at it though over the last few years21:55
dogmatic69_basically formatted both drives, made on big ext4 on each, done the mdadm --create and added 'ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 metadata=1.2 name=optimus-prime:0 UUID=8d21bbe8:37956ed9:16fd12e6:eef7b2f5' to the config21:55
dogmatic69_created with: mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=mirror --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda /dev/sdb21:56
diddledanwhat does `cat /proc/mdstat` say?21:56
dogmatic69_md0 : active raid1 sdb[1] sda[0]21:56
dogmatic69_md0 : active raid1 sdb[1] sda[0]21:56
diddledanthen your raid is active21:56
dogmatic69_yes, it is21:56
dogmatic69_but when I reboot its gone21:57
dogmatic69_that /proc/mdstat also says [>....................]  resync =  0.2% (7502336/2930135360) finish=1651.2min speed=29497K/sec21:57
dogmatic69_is that good/bad/normal?21:57
dogmatic69_idk why its got to sync, both brand new drives21:57
diddledannormal - it needs to sync the two discs before it can safely replicate21:57
dogmatic69_ok21:58
dogmatic69_but restarting at this point should work?21:58
diddledaneven if that means syncing efectively blank data21:58
diddledanit'll only work off one of the drives21:58
diddledanbut the raid should initialise21:59
dogmatic69_hmm21:59
dogmatic69_also I added something in fstab21:59
dogmatic69_/dev/md0 /raid ext4 defaults,nobootwait 0 221:59
bigcalm/dev/md3/media/RAID1_3/autodefaults0021:59
dogmatic69_auto sounds good...21:59
bigcalmThat's the 2nd raid1 on my home server21:59
Hornetanyone used sshfs much? having mental issues trying to get files to move between remove drives. mv as the user in ssh works, but not via sshfs in either nemo or other file managers21:59
dogmatic69_oh, that is just ext4/auto22:00
diddledandogmatic69_: is this your root partition or an ancillary data partition?22:00
dogmatic69_bigcalm: you know what the 0 0 is?22:00
dogmatic69_ancillary22:00
Hornetpermissions seem right, but it just fails with 'operation not permitted'22:00
dogmatic69_got a ssd for boot22:00
Hornetwell clearly permissions are right, as mv works22:00
bigcalmdogmatic69_: never really looked into what it all means, sorry :)22:00
dogmatic69_no prob22:00
dogmatic69_I coppied this from a tut :/22:00
diddledandogmatic69_: the first 0 is "dump" which is used rarely, and I'm not entirely sure what for but it's advised that your root fs has it as 1, and the second 0 is "pass" which defines the weight of each filesystem for ordering in-boot-time fsck (i.e. before remounting root read-write)22:02
bigcalmdogmatic69_: I think I followed https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/advanced-installation.html when I set-up my server the 1st time and then cherry picked some bits when adding my 2nd RAID22:02
dogmatic69_diddledan: tx, just found a doc with that :D22:02
dogmatic69_bigcalm: ye, this is existing setup so doing it manual22:03
dogmatic69_when I boot, I just run the mdadm create and then mount -a and it works again,22:04
dogmatic69_seems it just needs to mount22:04
dogmatic69_sounds like it could be the nobootwait option I got there22:05
diddledannono, don't run "create" once it's already created22:05
diddledanyou want to "assemble"22:06
diddledan(I think that's the write verb)22:06
diddledanright**22:06
dogmatic69_I read that22:06
dogmatic69_yes, it is --assemble22:06
dogmatic69_bigcalm: that 0 at the end of your config disables any disk checks btw22:09
bigcalmTag v1.4.0 successfully pushed to origin, ready for tomorrow's deployment22:09
diddledan\o/22:10
bigcalmdogmatic69_: I see22:10
bigcalmNow I get to compare against tag names, not hash strings I have to hunt for :)22:11
diddledanhehe22:11
diddledantags are good!22:11
diddledan#hashtag #ftw22:12
* bigcalm hugs gitlab22:12
bigcalmcode.client.co.uk/project-foo/compare/v1.3.2.1...v1.4.022:12
dogmatic69_bigcalm: normally you can just use 4 or 5 chars, depending on the number of commits22:13
bigcalmdogmatic69_: sure, still a matter of finding them22:13
dogmatic69_ye22:14
bigcalmTags are sensible for humans22:14
dogmatic69_also, not sure if this would work in the url but does in cli, git diff HEAD~1022:14
dogmatic69_compare HEAD to 10 commits back22:14
dogmatic69_something like that22:14
diddledantime for me to get some shuteye methinks22:18
bigcalmWish I could remember why I opened the diff in gitlab - what was it that I was looking for?22:21
dogmatic69_bigcalm: the difference ;)22:22
bigcalm:P422:22
bigcalm-422:22
bigcalmI should get a live db dump22:22
bigcalmThe import might take some time22:23
dogmatic69_figured out how to make this sync faster \o/22:35
dogmatic69_down from 27 hours to 270 minutes22:36

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