[00:00] daftykins: Do you have any idea on what I could do that may be able fix my problem? [00:01] the disconnections all state they're "user requested" [00:02] andreas: i've glanced and have been thinking, but i've also been divided between two users in another channel :) [00:03] No. The fact is that at most of the times, I had no connection at all, but the wifi symbol on my internet manager showed that I was connected to my hotspot. [00:04] diddledan: Therefore, the only thing I could do, was to disconnect and connect again [00:04] ok, standard networking diagnostics then. connect and run in a terminal "route -n" then "ping -c4 8.8.8.8" and paste the results [00:05] diddledan: manually. this thing worked again for a couple of minutes, and then again I had no internet access. But my wifi symbol showed that I was connected to the hotspot. [00:05] Ok, I will have to remove the wire then for a while, to connect to my hotspot, and I will be back again :) [00:06] yeah, connect and wait until you have no access before running those two commands. also might be worth doing the same for ip6: "route -6 -n" and "ping6 -c4 2a00:1450:400b:c02::8a" [00:07] diddledan: OK, thanks a lot. I am doing that now. [00:07] also might be worth a traceroute and traceroute6 to those two ip addresses [00:10] if neither of the pings or traceroutes yeild anything helpful let's try pinging the university: ping -c4 10.43.223.254 [00:15] wow, I found an IP that nobody knows who the owner is [00:15] (according to whois) [00:16] (discovered from that syslog dump from andreas) [00:16] 163.1.2.1 [00:16] it's one of the university's chosen forwarding dns servers [00:16] I was trying to discover which university it was :-p [00:17] aha, the other name server responds - oxford [00:19] you know his hostmask is ox.ac.uk? :) [00:20] that woulda been too obvious for an idiot like me [00:25] hey you're talking to someone who couldn't see an = sign [00:25] that's because there was no = sign :-p [00:26] I love this on the oucs website: We want to use cookies to collect data on how people use our site. Click here to accept, and dismiss this notice. 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[00:27] LOL [00:27] shows that politicians shouldn't legislate when they don't understand what they're legislating [00:28] the whole EU cookie law is stupid [00:28] last I heard the enforcement agency in the uk have gone on record to state that they won't prosecute anyone who doesn't abide by the law [00:29] which makes the whole law pointless [00:29] like the french law that you need a breathaliser in your car at all times [00:30] the law failed to appreciate that once you've used the one required breathaliser you no longer have a breathaliser and are thus breaking the law [00:30] the law now carries zero penalty but is still a legal requirement [00:31] farcical. the whole eu is a joke [00:31] it started off well-meaning but then decended into politics [00:32] the problem is I actually think the eu could do so much good [00:32] instead they tell us we're not allowed to set cookies [00:32] and.. wb andatche [00:32] andreas: [00:32] you wandered-in right in the middle of my ranting and raving [00:35] XD [00:35] i agree with you there [00:36] and you know, down on the islands, though we're not part of the EU we have to meet most EU directives on things in order to be allowed to trade and cooperate with those in the EU around us [00:36] hi again. For a very weird reason, my wireless is working fine in the past 20 minutes. I'll post the results now [00:36] http://tny.cz/4ff3d72f [00:36] Jersey just had to drop 60 grand on cow testing facilities i believe in order to be allowed to export beef to England again [00:36] oh joy [00:37] grr [00:37] daftykins: surely a better option would be cow-tasting facilities! :-p [00:38] http://tny.cz/3a7eb577 [00:39] andreas: maybe the network itself was having issues - it being a sunday night meaning that nobody will have been watching it :-p [00:39] No, I was having that for the past 4 days... [00:39] I know at work the servers ONLY go down when I'm not available to fix them [00:40] both at Eduroam and Residential network [00:40] oddness [00:40] hahaha :p [00:40] tho they're both backed by the same backhaul as far as I can tell [00:40] diddledan: om nom nom [00:40] diddledans: No, it's a problem with Ubuntu. I was using windows in the past 8 months here, and I never had problems... [00:41] http://tny.cz/78573730 [00:41] andreas: is there a webpage for the resnet service? [00:41] just in case you know where to look off hand [00:41] i wonder if they offer any kind of support [00:42] http://tny.cz/a82faa93 [00:42] luckily with it being a big university they're probably not going to dismiss you for using ubuntu like a commercial isp would [00:42] :D indeed [00:43] daftykins: As far I know, there isn't any website yet... [00:43] http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/network/addresses/ipv6.xml?ID=devicenets [00:44] hmm not as useful as the result looked [00:44] I love IP6 [00:45] that page is a proposal AFAICT [00:45] yeah [00:45] but.. IP6 makes subnetting so much cleaner than IP4 [00:45] it's entirely CIDR-style [00:46] I will ask for support, but if they do not succeed they will just blame my wireless drivers I guess :p [00:46] IP4 with the dotted-quad netmask callowed for some evil setups [00:47] if they're really good they'll help you formulate a bug-report for the network driver if that is indeed the issue [00:47] uni-techs are usually pretty good chaps [00:47] tho they might just say "plug it in" :-p [00:49] yeah, i'd bet it depends on the kind of department [00:49] Windows admins -> hands instantly thrown up in the air [00:50] the fact is that while I have this very annoying problem all the time, very few times the network works as expected... [00:51] like now... [00:51] therefore, I cannot reproduce the problem [00:51] and it would be very hard for me to explain, and for them to fix the problem... [00:52] andreas: do you have any friends/coursemates with normal rented accomodation with wireless networks you can try, or any holidays soon to head home and see how it works off of campus wireless? [00:52] that's a good plan [00:52] unfortunately no... Almost everybody at oxford lives either at College accommodation or University accommodation... [00:53] I might try that tho, in a coffe shop I guess [00:53] if we can isolate it to specific to the laptop vs specific to the network that would help a lot [00:53] another thing to test is whether a friend's different laptop with ubuntu 14.04 has similar issues [00:53] yes, this is a very good idea. I will go tomorrow to starbucks to check that.. [00:54] starbucks ftw [00:54] is starbucks' wifi free these days? [00:54] I can't remember whether they opened it up or not [00:54] it's been a while since I've been in one [00:54] used to go regularly [00:55] !enter | diddledan [00:55] no !enter? [00:55] yes, it's free :) However, ssl is disabled :p [00:55] and you can connect for a limited time (I guess 1h ) at least in oxford... [00:55] nice [00:56] :) yes [00:56] they really should know better than to actively prevent ssl tho [00:56] it's already a public network, they could at least allow people some chance of privacy protection [00:57] i'm getting major deja vu with this conversation now. [00:57] oh? [00:57] did I rant over that already? [00:57] Yes, I agree. I have no idea why they do that.. Maybe to monitor that people do not use their network for "bad things" [00:57] probably just us two helping someone late at night [00:57] hehe [00:58] nightowls ftw [00:58] haha :) thanks a lot guys for your help [00:58] I'll check if I can connect without any problems at starbucks [00:58] maybe we should get the bot to change the topic after midnight [00:58] and I'll also seek some help from the support [00:58] wlan0: deauthenticating from 40:18:b1:74:5d:54 by local choice (reason=3) [00:59] Thanks a lot. you have been very helpful [00:59] allo ali1234 [00:59] this usually indicates CRDA problems [00:59] CRDA? [00:59] did you buy your wireless card in another country by any chance? [00:59] oooh [01:00] I bought my whole laptop from another country. [01:00] frequency tables are listed [01:00] but I haven't changed the card [01:00] could be related [01:01] ali1234: aren't wifi chips supposed to cope with moving regulatory domains by locking to the regdom announced by the first wifi beacon it receives after powering on? [01:01] no [01:02] I was sure that was what I'd read elsewhere [01:02] what CRDA does is only allow you to connet if the wireless card and the access point both agree that the channel is allowed [01:02] so if you have a UK card, it won't connect to a misconfigured router in HK using channel 13 [01:03] http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Regulatory/CRDA#Changing_regulatory_domains [01:03] it looks like the card connected briefly though [01:03] that suggests it might be possible to switch [01:04] yeah it connects sometimes [01:04] and just now he remained connected for 20 minutes [01:04] but.. the resnet uses multiple access points with roaming between [01:05] so I would also surmise they use multiple frequencies [01:05] that could be it... [01:05] there are mentions in the logs of switching between BSSIDs [01:06] that might be through legitimate movement though? [01:07] a driver would have to be pretty dumb to keep dancing between APs when they're rankable by signal strength [01:08] what does "iwlist wlan0 channel" say? [01:08] daftykins: it might be legitimate, but the different APs might be on different channels and one of those channels might be disallowed by CRDA, causing the drops [01:09] if this is the problem the easiest fix will be to get a cheapo uk-licensed wifi-usb-thingy [01:09] ali1234: ah i see [01:09] (after checking it'll work with linux!) [01:09] that would also probably fix it if the problem is a bad driver [01:10] but then, surely a fine University campus would be configured to only operate the european channels? :D [01:10] does the uk have any channels available that the rest of europe doesn't? [01:11] 12 and 13 are the usual troublemakers [01:12] ali1234: if this really is the issue (and it sounds like a strong candidate) then somebody needs to get network manager to understand the problem and alert the user with helpful text when it strikes [01:12] yeah that would be nice [01:12] just dying isn't helpful at all [01:12] this might not be the problem though [01:15] http://gaspull.geeksaresexytech.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/cap-tech.jpg [01:15] it took me forever to figure out when this happened to me [01:15] more useful error messages would have been great [01:15] indeed [01:16] did anyone ever try inkjet refilling with the syringes and stuff? [01:17] I decided it was a bad idea and didn't try [01:17] i just ordered a kit [01:17] it looks really easy in the video [01:17] and so cheap... it was like £7 for enough ink to refill 20 times [01:17] I suppose it depends which printer you have as to how easy it is [01:17] and the cartridges are like £30 [01:18] HP inkjets, e.g. include the print-head in the cartridge which I would assume makes refilling a nightmare [01:18] the advantage however, is you get new heads everytime you replace the cartridge [01:18] well, that's what i have :( [01:19] the problem is that the heads always get blocked up when the cartridge dries out [01:19] yeah [01:19] so i figure just print out a test page every month and keep refilling [01:19] I found I don't use a printer enough for inkjet to be suitable - they cartridges are always dead when I come to print something [01:20] yeah [01:20] I bought a chepo samsung colour laser instead [01:20] no good for photos tho [01:25] low dpi? [01:25] lol laser dpi, you know what i mean. [01:26] oh no, dpi is fine [01:26] yeah it's more about colour reproduction [01:26] just that the finished result isn't as good as inkjet on photopaper [01:27] lasers work by melting plastic dust onto the paper, basically... it's just not the same as ink [01:27] it doesn't mix the same way cos it's relatively large particles rather than liquid, and it tends to cake as well [01:31] yeah [01:31] i've done IT support [01:32] haha, reminds me of a time actually when a secretary at a place of education went to pick up a toner cartridge and spilt a load of toner all over her white shirt [01:32] "no problem i'll just hoover it up..." [01:32] where technically she shouldn't have been handling it as it wasn't her department, but eh... [01:32] lol [01:32] i actually did have to go and fetch the toner vac from the IT lecturing department :) [01:33] that's why I went with a laser - dry powder just cannot dry out any more [01:38] yeah it's far more economic if you rarely print [01:39] i wanted to sneak this cute little samsung mono laser scanner network combo from someone, but they ended up finding a use for it ;_; [01:50] I will have to sleep I guess :) Once again, thanks a lot for your help. I appreciate it a lot :) [01:51] good luck o/ and do keep us updated [01:51] i love hearing the end to these tales [01:53] Thanks. I will :) Goodnight guys [01:57] welcome here anytime [01:58] more so if you bake [01:58] i like brownies and cheesecake [01:59] cheesecake ftw [02:00] \o/ [02:47] * diddledan watching the original matrix in hd [02:49] <3 the wachoskis [02:50] +w [06:07] morning [06:10] hello all [06:47] mornin moodoo [06:48] mornin' you too [07:15] happy birthday AlanBell [07:43] anyone here use LUKS on 14.04? [07:57] popey: Is that what 'buntu encrypts the home folders with? [07:57] no [07:57] thats ecryptfs [08:03] morning [08:04] what is LUKS used for? [08:06] encryption [08:09] full disk encryption.. [08:11] Good morning peeps :) [08:11] * popey falls off his chair [08:15] well I'm using full disk encyption on home and work machines, and they're running 14.04 [08:15] so perhaps I am using LUKS [08:21] I'm re-installing my laptop, tempted to use LUKS, but never have used it before, only used ecryptfs home directory encryption [08:23] I find it less hassle than ecryptfs [08:23] I used it for several years [08:24] not now though, because this laptop came OEM installed [08:24] these days I would recommend that everyone use full disk encryption. Even if it wouldn't stop GCHQ it probably would stop a laptop theif from getting to your email/accounts/banking stuff. [08:24] ^^ yup [08:25] Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Fresh Veggies Day! :-D [08:26] It's Baz from the Happy Mondays! [08:26] twisting my melon man. [08:32] popey, I use LUKS on 14.04. [08:33] somebody is deleting 2000 emails click by click [08:33] the clicking is gonna make me go insane [08:34] it is if its a mechanical keyboard [08:35] doing mouse clicks [08:39] not sure i dare mention shift-end delete [08:41] enforced reboots after windows has decided to run updates clearly sends a mesasge they don't expect people are doing real work on a windows pc [08:41] especially as my laptop boots linux by default [08:43] I dual booted with Windows for quite a number of years, but now I don't bother since I don't use Windows at all [08:44] need it on my work laptop for vsphere client [08:44] the web client doesn't have feature parity [08:44] so i use it few times a week maybe [08:44] get spammed with update notices every time i boot it [08:44] somehow the 40gb SSD partition is full too [08:45] win7+vsphere client :S [08:51] I don't get why VMWare don't make a fully functional web-client that's built in to ESXi. [08:53] that's the thing that annoys me about vsphere, only a windows client. [08:55] I guess if I ran a server, I'd have to run at least one virtual Windows instance for the vSphere webserver, but it's less than ideal. [08:55] I assume the Windows client has more functionality, though. [08:56] no, just different [08:56] you need both atm [08:56] one can't do certain things , the other can't do certain things [08:56] the web client has generally more features at this point [08:56] but also sucks to use [08:56] and is slow [09:03] We were annoyed for a long time with certain server vendors Lights-out remote desktop clients [09:04] They only worked properly on Windows / IE. Which was annoying because you were usually mounting an ISO of a Linux distro and installing it. [09:05] I still can't quite believe that people still fall into the trap of implementing things for IE [09:06] low-bid contractors doing the work [09:06] IE6 is still king in china [09:07] really? [09:08] http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-CN-monthly-201202-201302 [09:09] IE is a muggs game [09:09] morning [09:09] * diddledan needs cola [09:10] ie6 reminds me of 640x480 [09:10] (cola is my version of coffee :-p) [09:10] foobarry: mobile? :-p [09:10] its the only time u ever saw it, on a machine with no drivers and no updated s/w [09:19] morning boys amd girls. [09:19] IE is still my nemesis even in version 10 [09:19] Will have to revise some page transforms because their output works perfectly well in Firefox or Chrome [09:20] 10?! you're allowed to target that recent? [09:20] But IE doesn't support :before and :after psuedo-elements [09:20] really? [09:20] I didn't know that [09:21] awilkins: http://caniuse.com/#search=%3Abefore [09:21] awilkins: partial support in 8, full support in 9+ [09:21] Weird, because it just doesn't want to work for me [09:21] Is there some kind of special voodoo you have to do to get IE to turn that feature on? [09:22] Like telling it to pull it's socks up and be a better browser? [09:23] Maybe it's something else like the selectors I'm using [09:24] Aha [09:24] IE sez : Document mode = "IE5 Quirks" [09:24] eek [09:24] windows is refusing to accept my page file settings [09:24] your html is evil old then :-p [09:24] silently ignores [09:25] Apparently it's gone from being the most presumptive browser in the world that guesses your mime-type to the most persnickity and prudish [09:25] awilkins: to force it to standards mode change your " [09:25] You put it in standards mode and it works fine [09:25] Still not quite right but an improvement [09:44] Myrtti: Does hibernate etc work with LUKS? It doesn't with ecryptfs (you have to enter a common secret before log-in to mount the swap partition). [09:45] I only do suspend so I wouldn't know [10:00] Myrtti: OK - ta [10:00] I've not had anything than trouble with hibernate and I don't really see the reason for using it so I've just not used it :-D [10:05] Myrtti: was discussing spinning wheels with wife's friend in case i want to surprise her with one [10:05] she has the http://www.winghamwoolwork.co.uk/kromski-wheels/39-kromski-sonata.html [10:05] looks similar to yours [10:06] feel out of my depth, like a granny buying a laptop [10:06] hi all [10:07] anyone here use twitter much? [10:08] mapps: did u lose loads of ££ on the spain match? [10:08] no because i didnt do my favourite tactic [10:08] your favourite tactic being "bet on the loser"? [10:08] LOL [10:08] very funny [10:08] thats not the plan:P [10:08] lol [10:09] oh is football on the telly? [10:09] ooh post [10:09] * diddledan wanders off [10:09] no..being that i prefer to want wel nothing to happen...so im under..under in football..bseballi..ice hockey....basketball [10:09] ALWAYS under [10:09] * foobarry is hit by a grue [10:09] lol [10:09] then after 1st goal i consider backing the next higher unders so like uder 3.5 [10:09] but ive been burnt by it too many times [10:09] i thought you were betting on spain to win big [10:10] I did bet spain [10:10] but i bet on well..every atch [10:10] match [10:10] i bet over 2.5 goals in yesterdays games (didnt want to) but every game is going over [10:10] so how much did u lose on the spain match? [10:10] total? [10:10] yeah [10:11] probably like 1500 GBP [10:11] noone thought spain would get battered [10:11] dont make out im the only one;p [10:12] cant wait for this weeks 24....anyone else been watching [10:12] after RVP goal i thought they could pump a few more in [10:12] they= NED [10:12] mapps: I been watching it [10:12] it's getting exciting [10:12] foobarry: sure, I have no experience on it though. I know a person who sold hers to get a Schacht Sidekick. I personally would be anxious over the main wheel being so exposed but for the price it seems good, a lot lighter than mine (obviously - less wood). Get two extra bobbins though. I ordered more almost immediately. [10:12] you liking it diddledan ? [10:12] they were so lifted by a great "sensible soccer" style header [10:12] yea totallt man [10:13] are they gonna turn the girl?! [10:13] i thought it might be a let down when they talked about it..and the fact its ..12 eps? [10:13] 100% yes [10:13] Myrtti: your friend had the sonata ? [10:13] yeah, it's still 24 hours apparently so they're gonna have a jump or two [10:13] yeah [10:13] because she finally saw what her mum was gonna do after the air strike [10:13] hmm [10:13] ahh ok [10:13] deff turn her diddledan [10:13] the bit where they chopped her finger off... [10:13] ;[ [10:14] not sure what others do that the kiwi doesn't [10:14] mapps: that's what I thought - especially after she saw the aftermath of mummy trying to assassinate her [10:14] i think she's kinda hot tbh [10:14] sshhh [10:14] foobarry: maybe solid wood [10:14] not as hot as agent walker [10:14] she's a bad guy! [10:14] pah [10:14] doesnt mean she cant be hot;p [10:15] yeah, agent walker is awesome [10:15] foobarry: although it's not a sign of quality by any means. Mine is made of ply too [10:15] yep [10:15] loved her in chuck and dexter [10:15] 100% stunning [10:15] me too [10:15] foobarry: well, the main casing is ply, wheel is solid wood [10:15] cant believe she's single..or i couldnt see any mention of a partner ec [10:15] hmm, maybe we're in with a chance :-p [10:15] lol [10:16] me..i doubt it..you welll who knows [10:16] :D [10:16] lol [10:16] Myrtti: I find it handy to simply close the lid, enter a zero power state, and then resume later. As I'm on an SSD, coming back from hibernate is faster than restarting applications. [10:16] there's rumour that she might lead a renaissance of 24 or a spinoff without jack [10:16] hmm [10:16] hang on [10:17] the producers didn't rule it out [10:17] you mean continue 24 without jack? [10:17] made of European alder and birch [10:17] there's thinking along those lines yes [10:17] man NO NO NO [10:17] jack == 24 [10:17] a spin off..sure [10:17] but not 24 without jack [10:18] I lost the link but I read an article last night with the producers about potential avenues to pursue if they felt they had a decent story [10:18] see what gets me right..people say it isnt as good as it used to be yea [10:18] well [10:18] TwistedLucidity: yeah, the only difference for me with that is that it's not zero power, but I don't usually keep my laptop off the leash that long [10:18] its still better than eastenders/emmerdale and MILLIONS watch that rubbish [10:18] bollards! [10:19] foobarry: the care instructions on Kromski's website are confusing [10:19] I think it got better as it went along [10:19] i'm watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgTDEDYYoyA [10:19] always shocked when i speak to people at work and theyve NEVER seen it [10:19] as the characters grew you could see more of their motivations and such making the story more compelling in latter seasons [10:19] mapps: seen what? football? [10:19] 24! [10:20] never seen it [10:20] or ..well most tv series [10:20] omg [10:20] :-o [10:20] ok but wait youll have seen some of the shows i loved [10:20] never watched even 1 second of it [10:20]