[00:00] <andreas> daftykins: Do you have any idea on what I could do that may be able fix my problem?
[00:01] <diddledan> the disconnections all state they're "user requested"
[00:02] <daftykins> andreas: i've glanced and have been thinking, but i've also been divided between two users in another channel :)
[00:03] <andreas> No. The fact is that at most of the times, I had no connection at all, but the wifi symbol on my internet manager showed that I was connected to my hotspot.
[00:04] <andreas> diddledan: Therefore, the only thing I could do, was to disconnect and connect again
[00:04] <diddledan> ok, standard networking diagnostics then. connect and run in a terminal "route -n" then "ping -c4 8.8.8.8" and paste the results
[00:05] <andreas> diddledan: manually. this thing worked again for a couple of minutes, and then again I had no internet access. But my wifi symbol showed that I was connected to the hotspot.
[00:05] <andreas> Ok, I will have to remove the wire then for a while, to connect to my hotspot, and I will be back again :)
[00:06] <diddledan> yeah, connect and wait until you have no access before running those two commands. also might be worth doing the same for ip6: "route -6 -n" and "ping6 -c4 2a00:1450:400b:c02::8a"
[00:07] <andreas> diddledan: OK, thanks a lot. I am doing that now.
[00:07] <diddledan> also might be worth a traceroute and traceroute6 to those two ip addresses
[00:10] <diddledan> if neither of the pings or traceroutes yeild anything helpful let's try pinging the university: ping -c4 10.43.223.254
[00:15] <diddledan> wow, I found an IP that nobody knows who the owner is
[00:15] <diddledan> (according to whois)
[00:16] <diddledan> (discovered from that syslog dump from andreas)
[00:16] <diddledan> 163.1.2.1
[00:16] <diddledan> it's one of the university's chosen forwarding dns servers
[00:16] <diddledan> I was trying to discover which university it was :-p
[00:17] <diddledan> aha, the other name server responds - oxford
[00:19] <daftykins> you know his hostmask is ox.ac.uk? :)
[00:20] <diddledan> that woulda been too obvious for an idiot like me
[00:25] <daftykins> hey you're talking to someone who couldn't see an = sign
[00:25] <diddledan> that's because there was no = sign :-p
[00:26] <diddledan> I love this on the oucs website: We want to use cookies to collect data on how people use our site. Click here to accept, and dismiss this notice. For more information, and to change your preferences later, see our cookie policy. If you prefer not to accept them you may disable them (this sets a cookie).
[00:27] <diddledan> we want to use cookies. do you accept? no? then we'll use a cookie.
[00:27] <daftykins> LOL
[00:27] <diddledan> shows that politicians shouldn't legislate when they don't understand what they're legislating
[00:28] <diddledan> the whole EU cookie law is stupid
[00:28] <diddledan> last I heard the enforcement agency in the uk have gone on record to state that they won't prosecute anyone who doesn't abide by the law
[00:29] <diddledan> which makes the whole law pointless
[00:29] <diddledan> like the french law that you need a breathaliser in your car at all times
[00:30] <diddledan> the law failed to appreciate that once you've used the one required breathaliser you no longer have a breathaliser and are thus breaking the law
[00:30] <diddledan> the law now carries zero penalty but is still a legal requirement
[00:31] <diddledan> farcical. the whole eu is a joke
[00:31] <diddledan> it started off well-meaning but then decended into politics
[00:32] <diddledan> the problem is I actually think the eu could do so much good
[00:32] <diddledan> instead they tell us we're not allowed to set cookies
[00:32] <diddledan> and.. wb andatche
[00:32] <diddledan> andreas:
[00:32] <diddledan> you wandered-in right in the middle of my ranting and raving
[00:35] <daftykins> XD
[00:35] <daftykins> i agree with you there
[00:36] <daftykins> and you know, down on the islands, though we're not part of the EU we have to meet most EU directives on things in order to be allowed to trade and cooperate with those in the EU around us
[00:36] <andreas> hi again. For a very weird reason, my wireless is working fine in the past 20 minutes. I'll post the results now
[00:36] <andreas> http://tny.cz/4ff3d72f
[00:36] <daftykins> Jersey just had to drop 60 grand on cow testing facilities i believe in order to be allowed to export beef to England again
[00:36] <diddledan> oh joy
[00:37] <diddledan> grr
[00:37] <diddledan> daftykins: surely a better option would be cow-tasting facilities! :-p
[00:38] <andreas> http://tny.cz/3a7eb577
[00:39] <diddledan> andreas: maybe the network itself was having issues - it being a sunday night meaning that nobody will have been watching it  :-p
[00:39] <andreas> No, I was having that for the past 4 days...
[00:39] <diddledan> I know at work the servers ONLY go down when I'm not available to fix them
[00:40] <andreas> both at Eduroam and Residential network
[00:40] <diddledan> oddness
[00:40] <andreas> hahaha :p
[00:40] <diddledan> tho they're both backed by the same backhaul as far as I can tell
[00:40] <daftykins> diddledan: om nom nom
[00:40] <andreas> diddledans: No, it's a problem with Ubuntu. I was using windows in the past 8 months here, and I never had problems...
[00:41] <andreas> http://tny.cz/78573730
[00:41] <daftykins> andreas: is there a webpage for the resnet service?
[00:41] <daftykins> just in case you know where to look off hand
[00:41] <daftykins> i wonder if they offer any kind of support
[00:42] <andreas> http://tny.cz/a82faa93
[00:42] <diddledan> luckily with it being a big university they're probably not going to dismiss you for using ubuntu like a commercial isp would
[00:42] <daftykins> :D indeed
[00:43] <andreas> daftykins: As far I know, there isn't any website yet...
[00:43] <daftykins> http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/network/addresses/ipv6.xml?ID=devicenets
[00:44] <daftykins> hmm not as useful as the result looked
[00:44] <diddledan> I love IP6
[00:45] <diddledan> that page is a proposal AFAICT
[00:45] <daftykins> yeah
[00:45] <diddledan> but.. IP6 makes subnetting so much cleaner than IP4
[00:45] <diddledan> it's entirely CIDR-style
[00:46] <andreas> I will ask for support, but if they do not succeed they will just blame my wireless drivers I guess :p
[00:46] <diddledan> IP4 with the dotted-quad netmask callowed for some evil setups
[00:47] <diddledan> if they're really good they'll help you formulate a bug-report for the network driver if that is indeed the issue
[00:47] <diddledan> uni-techs are usually pretty good chaps
[00:47] <diddledan> tho they might just say "plug it in" :-p
[00:49] <daftykins> yeah, i'd bet it depends on the kind of department
[00:49] <daftykins> Windows admins -> hands instantly thrown up in the air
[00:50] <andreas> the fact is that while I have this very annoying problem all the time, very few times the network works as expected...
[00:51] <andreas> like now...
[00:51] <andreas> therefore, I cannot reproduce the problem
[00:51] <andreas> and it would be very hard for me to explain, and for them to fix the problem...
[00:52] <daftykins> andreas: do you have any friends/coursemates with normal rented accomodation with wireless networks you can try, or any holidays soon to head home and see how it works off of campus wireless?
[00:52] <diddledan> that's a good plan
[00:52] <andreas> unfortunately no... Almost everybody at oxford lives either at College accommodation or University accommodation...
[00:53] <andreas> I might try that tho, in a coffe shop I guess
[00:53] <diddledan> if we can isolate it to specific to the laptop vs specific to the network that would help a lot
[00:53] <diddledan> another thing to test is whether a friend's different laptop with ubuntu 14.04 has similar issues
[00:53] <andreas> yes, this is a very good idea. I will go tomorrow to starbucks to check that..
[00:54] <diddledan> starbucks ftw
[00:54] <diddledan> is starbucks' wifi free these days?
[00:54] <diddledan> I can't remember whether they opened it up or not
[00:54] <diddledan> it's been a while since I've been in one
[00:54] <diddledan> used to go regularly
[00:55] <diddledan> !enter | diddledan
[00:55] <diddledan> no !enter?
[00:55] <andreas> yes, it's free :) However, ssl is disabled :p
[00:55] <andreas> and you can connect for a limited time (I guess 1h ) at least in oxford...
[00:55] <diddledan> nice
[00:56] <andreas> :) yes
[00:56] <diddledan> they really should know better than to actively prevent ssl tho
[00:56] <diddledan> it's already a public network, they could at least allow people some chance of privacy protection
[00:57] <daftykins> i'm getting major deja vu with this conversation now.
[00:57] <diddledan> oh?
[00:57] <diddledan> did I rant over that already?
[00:57] <andreas> Yes, I agree. I have no idea why they do that.. Maybe to monitor that people do not use their network for "bad things"
[00:57] <daftykins> probably just us two helping someone late at night
[00:57] <diddledan> hehe
[00:58] <diddledan> nightowls ftw
[00:58] <andreas> haha :) thanks a lot guys for your help
[00:58] <andreas> I'll check if I can connect without any problems at starbucks
[00:58] <diddledan> maybe we should get the bot to change the topic after midnight
[00:58] <andreas> and I'll also seek some help from the support
[00:58] <ali1234> wlan0: deauthenticating from 40:18:b1:74:5d:54 by local choice (reason=3)
[00:59] <andreas> Thanks a lot. you have been very helpful
[00:59] <diddledan> allo ali1234
[00:59] <ali1234> this usually indicates CRDA problems
[00:59] <diddledan> CRDA?
[00:59] <ali1234> did you buy your wireless card in another country by any chance?
[00:59] <diddledan> oooh
[01:00] <andreas> I bought my whole laptop from another country.
[01:00] <diddledan> frequency tables are listed
[01:00] <andreas> but I haven't changed the card
[01:00] <diddledan> could be related
[01:01] <diddledan> ali1234: aren't wifi chips supposed to cope with moving regulatory domains by locking to the regdom announced by the first wifi beacon it receives after powering on?
[01:01] <ali1234> no
[01:02] <diddledan> I was sure that was what I'd read elsewhere
[01:02] <ali1234> what CRDA does is only allow you to connet if the wireless card and the access point both agree that the channel is allowed
[01:02] <ali1234> so if you have a UK card, it won't connect to a misconfigured router in HK using channel 13
[01:03] <diddledan> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Regulatory/CRDA#Changing_regulatory_domains
[01:03] <ali1234> it looks like the card connected briefly though
[01:03] <diddledan> that suggests it might be possible to switch
[01:04] <diddledan> yeah it connects sometimes
[01:04] <diddledan> and just now he remained connected for 20 minutes
[01:04] <diddledan> but.. the resnet uses multiple access points with roaming between
[01:05] <diddledan> so I would also surmise they use multiple frequencies
[01:05] <ali1234> that could be it...
[01:05] <diddledan> there are mentions in the logs of switching between BSSIDs
[01:06] <daftykins> that might be through legitimate movement though?
[01:07] <daftykins> a driver would have to be pretty dumb to keep dancing between APs when they're rankable by signal strength
[01:08] <ali1234> what does "iwlist wlan0 channel" say?
[01:08] <ali1234> daftykins: it might be legitimate, but the different APs might be on different channels and one of those channels might be disallowed by CRDA, causing the drops
[01:09] <diddledan> if this is the problem the easiest fix will be to get a cheapo uk-licensed wifi-usb-thingy
[01:09] <daftykins> ali1234: ah i see
[01:09] <diddledan> (after checking it'll work with linux!)
[01:09] <ali1234> that would also probably fix it if the problem is a bad driver
[01:10] <daftykins> but then, surely a fine University campus would be configured to only operate the european channels? :D
[01:10] <diddledan> does the uk have any channels available that the rest of europe doesn't?
[01:11] <ali1234> 12 and 13 are the usual troublemakers
[01:12] <diddledan> ali1234: if this really is the issue (and it sounds like a strong candidate) then somebody needs to get network manager to understand the problem and alert the user with helpful text when it strikes
[01:12] <ali1234> yeah that would be nice
[01:12] <diddledan> just dying isn't helpful at all
[01:12] <ali1234> this might not be the problem though
[01:15] <diddledan> http://gaspull.geeksaresexytech.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/cap-tech.jpg
[01:15] <ali1234> it took me forever to figure out when this happened to me
[01:15] <ali1234> more useful error messages would have been great
[01:15] <diddledan> indeed
[01:16] <ali1234> did anyone ever try inkjet refilling with the syringes and stuff?
[01:17] <diddledan> I decided it was a bad idea and didn't try
[01:17] <ali1234> i just ordered a kit
[01:17] <ali1234> it looks really easy in the video
[01:17] <ali1234> and so cheap... it was like £7 for enough ink to refill 20 times
[01:17] <diddledan> I suppose it depends which printer you have as to how easy it is
[01:17] <ali1234> and the cartridges are like £30
[01:18] <diddledan> HP inkjets, e.g. include the print-head in the cartridge which I would assume makes refilling a nightmare
[01:18] <diddledan> the advantage however, is you get new heads everytime you replace the cartridge
[01:18] <ali1234> well, that's what i have :(
[01:19] <ali1234> the problem is that the heads always get blocked up when the cartridge dries out
[01:19] <diddledan> yeah
[01:19] <ali1234> so i figure just print out a test page every month and keep refilling
[01:19] <diddledan> I found I don't use a printer enough for inkjet to be suitable - they cartridges are always dead when I come to print something
[01:20] <ali1234> yeah
[01:20] <diddledan> I bought a chepo samsung colour laser instead
[01:20] <diddledan> no good for photos tho
[01:25] <daftykins> low dpi?
[01:25] <daftykins> lol laser dpi, you know what i mean.
[01:26] <diddledan> oh no, dpi is fine
[01:26] <ali1234> yeah it's more about colour reproduction
[01:26] <diddledan> just that the finished result isn't as good as inkjet on photopaper
[01:27] <ali1234> lasers work by melting plastic dust onto the paper, basically... it's just not the same as ink
[01:27] <ali1234> it doesn't mix the same way cos it's relatively large particles rather than liquid, and it tends to cake as well
[01:31] <daftykins> yeah
[01:31] <daftykins> i've done IT support
[01:32] <daftykins> haha, reminds me of a time actually when a secretary at a place of education went to pick up a toner cartridge and spilt a load of toner all over her white shirt
[01:32] <ali1234> "no problem i'll just hoover it up..."
[01:32] <daftykins> where technically she shouldn't have been handling it as it wasn't her department, but eh...
[01:32] <ali1234> lol
[01:32] <daftykins> i actually did have to go and fetch the toner vac from the IT lecturing department :)
[01:33] <diddledan> that's why I went with a laser - dry powder just cannot dry out any more
[01:38] <ali1234> yeah it's far more economic if you rarely print
[01:39] <daftykins> i wanted to sneak this cute little samsung mono laser scanner network combo from someone, but they ended up finding a use for it ;_;
[01:50] <andreas> I will have to sleep I guess :) Once again, thanks a lot for your help. I appreciate it a lot :)
[01:51] <daftykins> good luck o/ and do keep us updated
[01:51] <daftykins> i love hearing the end to these tales
[01:53] <andreas> Thanks. I will :) Goodnight guys
[01:57] <diddledan> welcome here anytime
[01:58] <daftykins> more so if you bake
[01:58] <daftykins> i like brownies and cheesecake
[01:59] <diddledan> cheesecake ftw
[02:00] <daftykins> \o/
[02:47]  * diddledan watching the original matrix in hd
[02:49] <diddledan> <3 the wachoskis
[02:50] <diddledan> +w
[06:07] <knightwise> morning
[06:10] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:47] <knightwise> mornin moodoo
[06:48] <psichas> mornin' you too
[07:15] <MooDoo> happy birthday AlanBell
[07:43] <popey> anyone here use LUKS on 14.04?
[07:57] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Is that what 'buntu encrypts the home folders with?
[07:57] <popey> no
[07:57] <popey> thats ecryptfs
[08:03] <bashrc> morning
[08:04] <bashrc> what is LUKS used for?
[08:06] <Myrtti> encryption
[08:09] <popey> full disk encryption..
[08:11] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:11]  * popey falls off his chair
[08:15] <bashrc> well I'm using full disk encyption on home and work machines, and they're running 14.04
[08:15] <bashrc> so perhaps I am using LUKS
[08:21] <popey> I'm re-installing my laptop, tempted to use LUKS, but never have used it before, only used ecryptfs home directory encryption
[08:23] <Myrtti> I find it less hassle than ecryptfs
[08:23] <Myrtti> I used it for several years
[08:24] <Myrtti> not now though, because this laptop came OEM installed
[08:24] <bashrc> these days I would recommend that everyone use full disk encryption. Even if it wouldn't stop GCHQ it probably would stop a laptop theif from getting to your email/accounts/banking stuff.
[08:24] <Myrtti> ^^ yup
[08:25] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Fresh Veggies Day! :-D
[08:26] <bigcalm> It's Baz from the Happy Mondays!
[08:26] <MooDoo> twisting my melon man.
[08:32] <JamesTait> popey, I use LUKS on 14.04.
[08:33] <foobarry> somebody is deleting 2000 emails click by click
[08:33] <foobarry> the clicking is gonna make me go insane
[08:34] <bashrc> it is if its a mechanical keyboard
[08:35] <foobarry> doing mouse clicks
[08:39] <foobarry> not sure i dare mention shift-end delete
[08:41] <foobarry> enforced reboots after windows has decided to run updates clearly sends a mesasge they don't expect people are doing real work on a windows pc
[08:41] <foobarry> especially as my laptop boots linux by default
[08:43] <bashrc> I dual booted with Windows for quite a number of years, but now I don't bother since I don't use Windows at all
[08:44] <foobarry> need it on my work laptop for vsphere client
[08:44] <foobarry> the web client doesn't have feature parity
[08:44] <foobarry> so i use it few times a week maybe
[08:44] <foobarry> get spammed with update notices every time i boot it
[08:44] <foobarry> somehow the 40gb SSD partition is full too
[08:45] <foobarry> win7+vsphere client :S
[08:51] <dwatkins> I don't get why VMWare don't make a fully functional web-client that's built in to ESXi.
[08:53] <MooDoo> that's the thing that annoys me about vsphere, only a windows client.
[08:55] <dwatkins> I guess if I ran a server, I'd have to run at least one virtual Windows instance for the vSphere webserver, but it's less than ideal.
[08:55] <dwatkins> I assume the Windows client has more functionality, though.
[08:56] <foobarry> no, just different
[08:56] <foobarry> you need both atm
[08:56] <foobarry> one can't do certain things , the other can't do certain things
[08:56] <foobarry> the web client has generally more features at this point
[08:56] <foobarry> but also sucks to use
[08:56] <foobarry> and is slow
[09:03] <awilkins> We were annoyed for a long time with certain server vendors Lights-out remote desktop clients
[09:04] <awilkins> They only worked properly on Windows / IE. Which was annoying because you were usually mounting an ISO of a Linux distro and installing it.
[09:05] <awilkins> I still can't quite believe that people still fall into the trap of implementing things for IE
[09:06] <directhex> low-bid contractors doing the work
[09:06] <directhex> IE6 is still king in china
[09:07] <foobarry> really?
[09:08] <foobarry> http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-CN-monthly-201202-201302
[09:09] <bashrc> IE is a muggs game
[09:09] <diddledan> morning
[09:09]  * diddledan needs cola
[09:10] <foobarry> ie6 reminds me of 640x480
[09:10] <diddledan> (cola is my version of coffee :-p)
[09:10] <diddledan> foobarry: mobile? :-p
[09:10] <foobarry> its the only time u ever saw it, on a machine with no drivers and no updated s/w
[09:19] <brobostigon> morning boys amd girls.
[09:19] <awilkins> IE is still my nemesis even in version 10
[09:19] <awilkins> Will have to revise some page transforms because their output works perfectly well in Firefox or Chrome
[09:20] <diddledan> 10?! you're allowed to target that recent?
[09:20] <awilkins> But IE doesn't support :before and :after psuedo-elements
[09:20] <diddledan> really?
[09:20] <diddledan> I didn't know that
[09:21] <diddledan> awilkins: http://caniuse.com/#search=%3Abefore
[09:21] <diddledan> awilkins: partial support in 8, full support in 9+
[09:21] <awilkins> Weird, because it just doesn't want to work for me
[09:21] <awilkins> Is there some kind of special voodoo you have to do to get IE to turn that feature on?
[09:22] <awilkins> Like telling it to pull it's socks up and be a better browser?
[09:23] <awilkins> Maybe it's something else like the selectors I'm using
[09:24] <awilkins> Aha
[09:24] <awilkins> IE sez : Document mode = "IE5 Quirks"
[09:24] <diddledan> eek
[09:24] <foobarry> windows is refusing to accept my page file settings
[09:24] <diddledan> your html is evil old then :-p
[09:24] <foobarry> silently ignores
[09:25] <awilkins> Apparently it's gone from being the most presumptive browser in the world that guesses your mime-type to the most persnickity and prudish
[09:25] <diddledan> awilkins: to force it to standards mode change your <!DOCTYPE to read "<!DOCTYPE html>"
[09:25] <awilkins> You put it in standards mode and it works fine
[09:25] <awilkins> Still not quite right but an improvement
[09:44] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Does hibernate etc work with LUKS? It doesn't with ecryptfs (you have to enter a common secret before log-in to mount the swap partition).
[09:45] <Myrtti> I only do suspend so I wouldn't know
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: OK - ta
[10:00] <Myrtti> I've not had anything than trouble with hibernate and I don't really see the reason for using it so I've just not used it :-D
[10:05] <foobarry> Myrtti: was discussing spinning wheels with wife's friend in case i want to surprise her with one
[10:05] <foobarry> she has the http://www.winghamwoolwork.co.uk/kromski-wheels/39-kromski-sonata.html
[10:05] <foobarry> looks similar to yours
[10:06] <foobarry> feel out of my depth, like a granny buying a laptop
[10:06] <mapps> hi all
[10:07] <mapps> anyone here use twitter much?
[10:08] <foobarry> mapps: did u lose loads of ££ on the spain match?
[10:08] <mapps> no because i didnt do my favourite tactic
[10:08] <diddledan> your favourite tactic being "bet on the loser"?
[10:08] <mapps> LOL
[10:08] <mapps> very funny
[10:08] <mapps> thats not the plan:P
[10:08] <diddledan> lol
[10:09] <MooDoo> oh is football on the telly?
[10:09] <diddledan> ooh post
[10:09]  * diddledan wanders off
[10:09] <mapps> no..being that i prefer to want wel nothing to happen...so im under..under in football..bseballi..ice hockey....basketball
[10:09] <mapps> ALWAYS under
[10:09]  * foobarry is hit by a grue
[10:09] <mapps> lol
[10:09] <mapps> then after 1st goal i consider backing the next higher unders so like uder 3.5
[10:09] <mapps> but ive been burnt by it too many times
[10:09] <foobarry> i thought you were betting on spain to win big
[10:10] <mapps> I did bet spain
[10:10] <mapps> but i bet on well..every atch
[10:10] <mapps> match
[10:10] <mapps> i bet over 2.5 goals in yesterdays games (didnt want to) but every game is going over
[10:10] <foobarry> so how much did u lose on the spain match?
[10:10] <mapps> total?
[10:10] <foobarry> yeah
[10:11] <mapps> probably like 1500 GBP
[10:11] <mapps> noone thought spain would get battered
[10:11] <mapps> dont make out im the only one;p
[10:12] <mapps> cant wait for this weeks 24....anyone else been watching
[10:12] <foobarry> after RVP goal i thought they could pump a few more in
[10:12] <foobarry> they= NED
[10:12] <diddledan> mapps: I been watching it
[10:12] <diddledan> it's getting exciting
[10:12] <Myrtti> foobarry: sure, I have no experience on it though. I know a person who sold hers to get a Schacht Sidekick. I personally would be anxious over the main wheel being so exposed but for the price it seems good, a lot lighter than mine (obviously - less wood). Get two extra bobbins though. I ordered more almost immediately.
[10:12] <mapps> you liking it diddledan ?
[10:12] <foobarry> they were so lifted by a great "sensible soccer" style header
[10:12] <mapps> yea totallt man
[10:13] <diddledan> are they gonna turn the girl?!
[10:13] <mapps> i thought it might be a let down when they talked about it..and the fact its ..12 eps?
[10:13] <mapps> 100% yes
[10:13] <foobarry> Myrtti: your friend had the sonata ?
[10:13] <diddledan> yeah, it's still 24 hours apparently so they're gonna have a jump or two
[10:13] <Myrtti> yeah
[10:13] <mapps> because she finally saw what her mum was gonna do after the air strike
[10:13] <foobarry> hmm
[10:13] <mapps> ahh ok
[10:13] <mapps> deff turn her diddledan
[10:13] <mapps> the bit where they chopped her finger off...
[10:13] <mapps> ;[
[10:14] <foobarry> not sure what others do that the kiwi doesn't
[10:14] <diddledan> mapps: that's what I thought - especially after she saw the aftermath of mummy trying to assassinate her
[10:14] <mapps> i think she's kinda hot tbh
[10:14] <diddledan> sshhh
[10:14] <Myrtti> foobarry: maybe solid wood
[10:14] <mapps> not as hot as agent walker
[10:14] <diddledan> she's a bad guy!
[10:14] <mapps> pah
[10:14] <mapps> doesnt mean she cant be hot;p
[10:15] <diddledan> yeah, agent walker is awesome
[10:15] <Myrtti> foobarry: although it's not a sign of quality by any means. Mine is made of ply too
[10:15] <mapps> yep
[10:15] <mapps> loved her in chuck and dexter
[10:15] <mapps> 100% stunning
[10:15] <diddledan> me too
[10:15] <Myrtti> foobarry: well, the main casing is ply, wheel is solid wood
[10:15] <mapps> cant believe she's single..or i couldnt see any mention of a partner ec
[10:15] <diddledan> hmm, maybe we're in with a chance :-p
[10:15] <mapps> lol
[10:16] <mapps> me..i doubt it..you welll who knows
[10:16] <mapps> :D
[10:16] <diddledan> lol
[10:16] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: I find it handy to simply close the lid, enter a zero power state, and then resume later. As I'm on an SSD, coming back from hibernate is faster than restarting applications.
[10:16] <diddledan> there's rumour that she might lead a renaissance of 24 or a spinoff without jack
[10:16] <mapps> hmm
[10:16] <mapps> hang on
[10:17] <diddledan> the producers didn't rule it out
[10:17] <mapps> you mean continue 24 without jack?
[10:17] <foobarry> made of European alder and birch
[10:17] <diddledan> there's thinking along those lines yes
[10:17] <mapps> man NO NO NO
[10:17] <mapps> jack == 24
[10:17] <mapps> a spin off..sure
[10:17] <mapps> but not 24 without jack
[10:18] <diddledan> I lost the link but I read an article last night with the producers about potential avenues to pursue if they felt they had a decent story
[10:18] <mapps> see what gets me right..people say it isnt as good as it used to be yea
[10:18] <mapps> well
[10:18] <Myrtti> TwistedLucidity: yeah, the only difference for me with that is that it's not zero power, but I don't usually keep my laptop off the leash that long
[10:18] <mapps> its still better than eastenders/emmerdale and MILLIONS watch that rubbish
[10:18] <diddledan> bollards!
[10:19] <Myrtti> foobarry: the care instructions on Kromski's website are confusing
[10:19] <diddledan> I think it got better as it went along
[10:19] <foobarry> i'm watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgTDEDYYoyA
[10:19] <mapps> always shocked when i speak to people at work and theyve NEVER seen it
[10:19] <diddledan> as the characters grew you could see more of their motivations and such making the story more compelling in latter seasons
[10:19] <foobarry> mapps: seen what? football?
[10:19] <mapps> 24!
[10:20] <foobarry> never seen it
[10:20] <mapps> or ..well most tv series
[10:20] <mapps> omg
[10:20] <diddledan> :-o
[10:20] <mapps> ok but wait youll have seen some of the shows i loved
[10:20] <foobarry> never watched even 1 second of it
[10:20] <mapps> the wire...sopranos..breaking bad ...prison break?
[10:20] <foobarry> no, no , no ,no
[10:20] <foobarry> none of them
[10:20] <diddledan> foobarry: definitely not 7 seasons of 24 hours?
[10:20] <mapps> omg
[10:20] <bashrc> I don't watch tv
[10:20] <MooDoo> suits, i'm addicted to that at the moment.
[10:20] <mapps> :[
[10:20] <mapps> yes
[10:20] <mapps> suits is GREAT
[10:20] <foobarry> US tv generally sucks
[10:20] <mapps> and rachel [10:21] <mapps> no way
[10:21] <foobarry> because its made for profit not story
[10:21] <MooDoo> mapps: I'm more into donna
[10:21] <TwistedLucidity> mapps: Rachel + more pies = stunning
[10:21] <Myrtti> foobarry: kiwi does come with the sliding hook flyer, which makes it a bit nicer than the traditional multiple hook setup
[10:21] <mapps> lol
[10:21] <mapps> really? i dont see it with donna at all
[10:21] <mapps> noit saying she's ugly..but just dont see much
[10:22] <diddledan> I always preferred willow to buffy :-p
[10:22] <foobarry> Myrtti: i would need a windfall or payrise to afford this for mrs foobarry
[10:22] <TwistedLucidity> Gabriel Macht has had a few roles. Always plays the same cock-sure character. Worked well in Suits.
[10:22] <foobarry> i think i'll ask her to try her friends one out
[10:23] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: are you allowed to say the C-word in here?
[10:23] <Myrtti> foobarry: yeah, sounds like a good idea
[10:23] <foobarry> she doesn't like surprises much anwya
[10:24] <mapps> 24 /crisis / continum / enlisted / colbert report /orphan black/ gang related /melissa and joey/ fargo/major crimes/criminal minds /motive/veep/the americans
[10:24] <mapps> thats just some of what i watch at
[10:24] <foobarry> nope
[10:24] <mapps> atm
[10:24] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: It's a verb (to cock a gun; where cock-sure comes from), a male chicken and an item of plumbing. Why would that be banned?
[10:24] <foobarry> then again they aren't on UK telly
[10:24] <mapps> anyone else watch graceland o fargo those are great!
[10:24] <Myrtti> yeah I'd get mad for any surprise purchase over the value of £75 pounds done without my knowledge to 'surprise me'
[10:24] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: nono, character
[10:24] <foobarry> Myrtti: yeah, esp an engagement ring :P
[10:25] <foobarry> which is why i gave haribo rong
[10:25] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Heh
[10:25] <TwistedLucidity> Sure I've seen Rick Hoffman in something else too
[10:25] <mapps> someone getting married?
[10:25] <foobarry> no, was long ago
[10:25] <mapps> oh
[10:26] <Myrtti> ... I proposed with a jubilee clip and then we went to the jewellers and it was a bit more expensive than I totally felt comfortable with, but I plan to wear it the rest of my life and it reflects geekyness in both of us, so...
[10:26] <Myrtti> (I proposed on Leap Day, obviously)
[10:26] <mapps> i dunno what that is
[10:26] <mapps> jubilee clip?
[10:26] <Myrtti> (or of course)
[10:26] <Myrtti> https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/6941119761/
[10:26] <diddledan> mapps: a ring used to secure pipes together
[10:27] <mapps> oh
[10:27] <Myrtti> hose clamps or jubilee clips, have heard both used for those
[10:27] <mapps> whys that greeky
[10:27] <foobarry> had to speak to 1500+ people yesterday :S
[10:27] <mapps> ;[[
[10:27] <foobarry> twice
[10:27] <foobarry> don't like public talking
[10:27] <mapps> what were you doing?
[10:27] <mapps> and me too
[10:28] <diddledan> what geek does?
[10:28] <mapps> i go into my speak really quick mode
[10:28] <mapps> talk really quick and that makes it worse lol
[10:29] <TwistedLucidity> mapps: Go to a speaking club.
[10:29] <mapps> if i talked at a normal pace people prob wouldnt think much but when i speak quick..oh oh
[10:29] <mapps> its a combination..like ....also get hoit and bothered then standing there sweating and talking like im in a race
[10:30] <mapps> luckily dont have to do any now
[10:30] <foobarry> chatting at church about my dad on fathers day. who passed away jan 2013, so a bit more stressy for that reason too
[10:30] <directhex> i'm better with public speaking than talking on the phone
[10:30] <TwistedLucidity> mapps: Don't go to a soeaking club then. :-)
[10:30] <Myrtti> https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/tags/engagementring/ - it's got binary engravement and a ruby for geeky reasons :-D
[10:30] <directhex> god i hate phones
[10:30] <mapps> heh
[10:30] <Myrtti> directhex: oh yes.
[10:30] <Myrtti> phones are the invention of the devil.
[10:30] <mapps> no
[10:30] <mapps> i love my iphone ...is that ok to say here?
[10:30] <Myrtti> (for voice communications)
[10:31] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/AoRr2cV.jpg
[10:31] <Myrtti> the device itself is fine. The voice communication sucks
[10:31] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: One month's salary >.<
[10:31] <Myrtti> TwistedLucidity: half.
[10:31] <mapps> ruby for ruby on rails?
[10:31] <mapps> nah cant be
[10:31] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: BARGAIN!
[10:31] <Myrtti> mapps: yeah, he used it as a pickup line
[10:31] <directhex> i feel trapped by the phone, i hate talking on it
[10:31] <mapps> what did he say? :)(
[10:32] <Myrtti> first date he gave me a Vim pocket book as a present, second one I wore a pink emacs cheat sheet t-shirt
[10:32] <diddledan> I'm fine on the phone provided it's not a machine
[10:32] <diddledan> answermachines are the invention of the devil!
[10:32] <Myrtti> "If I'd give you a Ruby, would you throw it back?" I replied "no, but I might slap you with LaTeX"
[10:33] <diddledan> Myrtti: kinky
[10:33] <Myrtti> innit
[10:33] <mapps> LOL
[10:33] <mapps> ]i assumed you're a guy
[10:33] <mapps> but judging by the 'he gave me' i guess you're the woman
[10:34] <Myrtti> one of the invisible pink unicorns yes
[10:34] <Myrtti> the existance of us is a matter of faith
[10:34] <mapps> just a habbit..i assume everyone on irc is a guy
[10:34] <foobarry> i went to oggcamp and there were lots of women, Myrtti was one of them
[10:34] <mapps> and everyone in a tech/nerd channel deff guy
[10:34] <mapps> i see
[10:34] <mapps> its just my own assumptions
[10:34] <mapps> at uni there was like 2 girls in my lectures
[10:34] <diddledan> mapps: in modern society it is dangerous to 1) assume X is a guy, 2) assume X and Y are the standard gender roles
[10:34] <mapps> agree
[10:34] <foobarry> most women were  flanked by a male geek, looking proud
[10:34] <mapps> but still what i think a first;p
[10:35] <mapps> lol
[10:35] <Myrtti> foobarry: :-D
[10:35] <Myrtti> snerk.
[10:35] <mapps> Myrtti,  i guess you do some kind of tech job?
[10:35] <Myrtti> oggcamp is one of the rare occasions where most people knew me beforehand so knew not to ask me "so who are you here with"
[10:35] <foobarry> somehow i managed to snag a really hot wife. but thats my own opinion ..and thats all that matters.
[10:35] <mapps> heh
[10:36] <diddledan> foobarry: lucky get
[10:36] <mapps> so what do you all do to be able to come on irc at (i assume work)?
[10:36] <foobarry> work
[10:36] <mapps> pah
[10:36] <mapps> well clearly not on a checkout;p
[10:36] <diddledan> mapps: I'm working from home
[10:36] <Myrtti> mapps: open source developer community manager for a school offering education in Finnish equivalents of GCSE/A-levels/community college stuff, most of it online but some as boarding school
[10:36] <mapps> ahh ok cool diddledan
[10:37] <foobarry> had a really busy few weeks at work, so this is a bit of downtime so as not to burnout
[10:37] <mapps> ah
[10:37] <mapps> working from home sounded cool and i did want it..but I live on my own so i dont think id see anyone
[10:37] <foobarry> can't maintain the same high work rate without a part failing
[10:37] <mapps> id be 'the hermit at the end house'
[10:37] <mapps> :D
[10:37] <Myrtti> we do development of our own school management system and learning platform
[10:37] <foobarry> mrs foobarry thinks i would go insannce working at home
[10:37] <foobarry> insane*
[10:37] <Myrtti> and yes, I'm working from home in UK to Finland.
[10:37] <mapps> why?
[10:37] <mapps> kids/wife foobarry ?
[10:38] <foobarry> i'm  introvert but i stil like contact
[10:38] <mapps> yea
[10:38] <mapps> i guess im the same..im quite happy to go to work and sit in a booh on my own or with my mate
[10:38] <foobarry> even tho most others annoy me some how in their office habits
[10:38] <foobarry> open plan sucks
[10:38] <mapps> and barely move from my booth
[10:38] <foobarry> booths are cool
[10:38] <mapps> but working from home id see NOONE
[10:38] <mapps> yep 100% agree
[10:38] <foobarry> its just good to know people are there if needed
[10:39] <mapps> open plan is so so crap..especially with where i work..we all have sport on and its crap have to have the volume low..can hear others audio and then can hear them talking etc
[10:39] <foobarry> you need occulus rift virtal office app
[10:39] <diddledan> google talk ftw
[10:39] <diddledan> though only the text side
[10:40] <diddledan> http://www.hotforsecurity.com/blog/hacked-restaurant-chain-goes-back-to-the-1970s-to-protect-itself-from-hackers-9248.html
[10:40] <mapps> im kinda excited for ios8 ..am i the only one:D
[10:41] <bigcalm> I thought that popey was the Apple fanboi
[10:41] <mapps> hah
[10:41] <diddledan> nope that crown goes to shauno
[10:41] <mapps> i love my iphone..and my ipad :D had the 3gs/4s/5 now got the 5s
[10:41] <mapps> had the ipad2/3 and now the air :)
[10:42] <foobarry> i like my hp touchpad..cos i got it cheap
[10:42] <mapps> i like my nexus7 for the price and fact i can watch films on it that i play of usb
[10:42] <mapps> but im sold on iphone for sure :)
[10:42] <mapps> i find android hard work
[10:44] <diddledan> I'm excited for the ios8 keyboard replacement functionality - maybe lastpass will build an enhanced keyboard which allows password entering without switching apps (like they do on android)
[10:44] <mapps> not sure what you mean
[10:44] <mapps> password enterring without switching apps?
[10:45] <diddledan> on ios you need to switch to the lastpass app, copy the password into the clipboard and then switch back and paste the password from the clipboard (that is unless you're using bad passwords that you can remember)
[10:46] <mapps> ah
[10:46] <mapps> i can and am ythen
[10:46] <diddledan> if you're using a bad enough password that you can remember it then type it manually :-p
[10:46] <mapps> thats why i was kinda wondering what you meant
[10:47] <mapps> on an ios related issue...i cant connect to the wifi in the restaurant at thew hotel..full signal and ive got the pass..but it just sits on the enter pass screen doesnt even say incorrect pass?
[10:47] <diddledan> odd
[10:47] <mapps> yea no error..nothing so i dont really see what i can do
[10:51] <diddledan> http://www.hotforsecurity.com/blog/us-government-to-auction-18-million-of-the-silk-roads-bitcoins-9253.html
[10:55] <bigcalm> sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found
[10:55] <bigcalm> Well that's a bit silly
[10:56] <awilkins> Need to install a package
[10:56] <diddledan> python-softwareproperties?
[10:56] <diddledan> something like that
[10:57] <bigcalm> diddledan: aye
[10:57] <foobarry> somebody gave me a telly, they don't want anything for it , for its a decent telly they could have sold. quandry :S
[10:57] <bigcalm> Surprised that it's not installed by defaulty
[10:57] <bigcalm> -y
[10:57] <foobarry> do u give the full market price as per ebay, or some other abitrary amount
[10:57] <foobarry> defaulty = something thats broken out of the box?
[10:58] <diddledan> foobarry: take the thing then run and hide
[10:59] <foobarry> its from my sis
[10:59] <foobarry> they didn't need it any more, but could have sold it for £100 maybe
[11:00] <diplo> Just help them out with no questions asked next time they need something?
[11:00] <foobarry> i do that anyway
[11:00] <awilkins> If the US gov is auctioning bitcoin, this presumably implies that they consider them a legitimate form of property
[11:01] <foobarry> is popping 50 quid in their account although they don't want anywthing a bit tight?
[11:02] <foobarry> wow. 32 inch samsung LED is 219 brand new
[11:02] <foobarry> 199
[11:02] <awilkins> Tempting
[11:03] <foobarry> http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-blu-ray/televisions/large-screen-tvs-32-and-over/samsung-ue32f5000-32-led-tv-21255337-pdt.html?gclid=CNao6rmf_r4CFQEUwwod-YcAXw&srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~~~Exact&mctag=gg_goog_7904&s_kwcid=AL!3391!3!50677667244!!!g!81182829924!&ef_id=UsvQCgAAAEV5HFxc:20140616110240:s
[11:03] <foobarry> stuff is cheap nowadays
[11:03] <awilkins> I have an old CRT still
[11:03] <foobarry> so did i
[11:03] <awilkins> Cost me 4 times that
[11:03] <awilkins> Now I'm wondering how much 'leccy it consumes
[11:03] <foobarry> extra £15 per year
[11:04] <foobarry> but you do get heat.
[11:04] <awilkins> And my MythTV box is ancient
[11:04] <awilkins> And also energy inefficient
[11:04] <awilkins> But SD
[11:04] <foobarry> hidden cost of new telly is the chromecast etc you will inevitably buy
[11:04] <mapps> seems that way awilkins  how are the auctioning them/
[11:10] <diddledan> mapps: it looks like a sealed auction
[11:10] <diddledan> you need to pay 200k$ to be granted the privilege of bidding
[11:10] <mapps> ah
[11:10] <mapps> lol
[11:10] <mapps> really?
[11:11] <awilkins> As a deposit
[11:11] <awilkins> Presumably refunded if you don't win
[11:11] <mapps> still dont think i can manage that:)
[11:11] <awilkins> If you do win, you get a visit from a black helicopter and a copy of President Obama's autograph
[11:11] <mapps> i thught it'd be open to all
[11:11] <awilkins> (on your Gitmo 2 detention certificate)
[11:16] <mapps> :D
[11:17] <NET||abuse> hi guys. anyone got opinions on which irc bouncer to use, and what gui to connect to it with?
[11:18] <NET||abuse> i'm using weechat, but i keep getting into a too many channels to manage with an ncurses interface situation.
[11:18] <NET||abuse> So i'm resigning to going back to a gui frontend
[11:18] <Myrtti> I personally would find a gui too cumbersome with a lot of channels :-D
[11:18] <NET||abuse> but i see bnc and znc as two bouncer options.
[11:19] <NET||abuse> znc says it's a multiuser system, bnc is a "simple to use" version.
[11:19] <mapps> hii NET||abuse
[11:19] <directhex> i use bip as a bouncer
[11:19] <mapps> xchat? or hexchat is that what the free ones called?
[11:19] <NET||abuse> mapps: not sure, i've used xchat in the past, but not for a few years now.
[11:20] <NET||abuse> i've lived in irssi and weechat now for the last 3 years i think.
[11:20] <mapps> http://www.psybnc.at/
[11:20] <mapps> psyBNC is ok
[11:20] <davmor2> NET||abuse: I use irssi as my remote client and connect to it with xchat
[11:20] <NET||abuse> you can do that too ca't you.
[11:20] <NET||abuse> weechat or irssi as the bouncer in effect.
[11:22] <davmor2> NET||abuse: yes you jusr fire up irssi and then do /LOAD proxy http://www.irssi.org/documentation/proxy
[11:22] <davmor2> works well for me I have 50 channels currently
[11:23] <davmor2> on multiple networks
[11:23] <mapps> i just use xchat and leave my machine on 24/7
[11:23] <NET||abuse> mapps: i've only got a laptop and i work in 3 different locations
[11:24] <mapps> ah]
[11:24] <NET||abuse> but i have a digitalocean box which i use as my persistent connection.
[11:24] <foobarry> ok, i've loaded screen_away
[11:24] <foobarry> supposed to mark me away if sscreen is detached
[11:24] <foobarry> can someone test it pls?
[11:24] <davmor2> NET||abuse: /!\ xchat isn't fond of changing wifi networks so you are best closing it and reopening it
[11:25] <davmor2> foobarry: test what
[11:25] <NET||abuse> oh that's not even a concern
[11:25] <foobarry> davmor2: test if i have an away message
[11:25] <foobarry> if i detach my screen and you pm me
[11:25] <foobarry> detaching...
[11:26] <mapps> GAH
[11:26] <mapps> STILL cant get this wifi to work
[11:26] <Myrtti> foobarry: works
[11:27] <davmor2> mapps: what up
[11:27] <foobarry> yay thanks
[11:27] <mapps> not too sure davmor2
[11:27] <mapps> got the pass for wireless..strong signal but it doesnt connect
[11:27] <mapps> no error..no incorrect pass just shows me the pass box again
[11:28] <davmor2> mapps: try forgetting the network and try again
[11:28] <foobarry> do away mesages work if i even mention a name in a chan?
[11:28] <davmor2> foobarry: pass
[11:28] <foobarry> by work, i mean "tell the other person"
[11:28] <mapps> thats what i did :( then i diud the turn it off and back on
[11:28] <davmor2> Go away again I'll tell yoou
[11:28] <mapps> and getting nowhere...cant think what it could be
[11:29] <davmor2> foobarry: muppet
[11:29] <davmor2> anyone see an away message I forgot I have them switched off
[11:29] <foobarry> try again
[11:29] <foobarry> i wasn't away yet
[11:30] <davmor2> foobarry: muppet
[11:31] <foobarry> don't think so
[11:31] <foobarry> prob not the intended functionality tbh
[11:31] <foobarry> whois will show the status
[11:33] <diddledan> I need feeding time
[11:38] <foobarry> things looking better for schumacher
[11:39]  * popey pokes bigcalm 
[11:44] <Myrtti> foobarry: I wouldn't necessarily say that
[11:45] <Myrtti> just that they're moving him from one hospital to another
[11:45] <foobarry> he's out of coma though allegedly?
[11:46] <mapps> schumacher yea
[11:46] <mapps> communicating with his family it says
[11:46] <Myrtti> well that's old news to a certain extent
[11:46] <mapps> wasnt it a monh or so ago papers said he had almost no chance to get out of the coma?
[11:47] <Myrtti> http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/good-news/
[11:50] <foobarry> my bad for thinking tabloids might even report this 10% accurately
[11:50] <foobarry> i really should block all tabloid from my internet
[11:51] <Myrtti> it's not even about tabloids, it's about the fact that the language used in the press release was probably purposefully ambivalent
[11:52] <foobarry> the quote from the manager " 'Michael has left the CHU Grenoble to continue his long phase of rehabilitation. He is not in a coma anymore.'"
[11:56] <foobarry> not really sure who i believe now
[11:56] <Myrtti> not being in a coma doesn't really mean that much though. People can be out of coma but not have awareness of their surroundings
[11:56] <foobarry> hopefully he is improving
[11:57] <Myrtti> let's hope so
[12:12] <MooDoo> popey: is this something you're looking for ? http://lowtek.ca/roo/2012/how-to-add-second-drive-to-luks-ubuntu/
[12:21]  * bigcalm prods popey 
[12:34] <popey> nice one MooDoo
[12:34] <MooDoo> popey: yeah just seen your g+ post, yw!
[12:43] <MooDoo> rats my dell r200 cpu doesn't support VT pah!
[12:45] <diplo> Aren't the R range supposed to be designed for Virtual ?
[12:46] <MooDoo> diplo: not with the process I've got in it.
[12:46] <diplo> Been a while since I looked at Dell prods mind, they were just coming out as i left
[12:46] <MooDoo> oh it's at least 6 yrs old
[12:47] <diplo> :)
[12:48] <MooDoo> still it works and it's a server at home for me to play with :)
[12:55] <bigcalm> Yes it's OEL, but where might I find an archive for Karmic?
[12:56] <popey> old-releases.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:56] <bigcalm> Oh, it is there. Phew. Thanks
[13:23] <foobarry> is there a mibbit type app for accessing freenode?
[13:24] <foobarry> ah, webchat
[13:24] <MooDoo> http://webchat.freenode.net/
[13:24] <Myrtti> mibbit, kiwiirc
[13:25] <Myrtti> eh.
[13:25] <Myrtti> webchat, kiwiirc
[13:25] <Myrtti> brain went a gear too fast
[13:25] <foobarry> didn't mibbit block freenode?
[13:26] <MooDoo> foobarry: http://blog.mibbit.com/?p=306
[13:26] <MooDoo> wow 2009 lol oops
[13:34] <diddledan> I just pointed a colleage at RFC 1216 and RFC 1217
[13:34] <diddledan> colleague**
[13:35] <bigcalm> popey: am I going mad? I thought that Karmic was on old-releases.archive.ubuntu.com - now I can't find it
[13:35] <popey> bigcalm: what are you looking for? an iso?
[13:35] <bigcalm> A repo
[13:35] <diddledan> isn't that classed as necrophillia?
[13:36] <MooDoo> bigcalm: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1895629.html
[13:36] <bigcalm> I don't expect ubuntu.com to keep everything forever, I know karmic is EOL
[13:36] <popey> oh, maybe not
[13:36] <MooDoo> it's here -
[13:36] <MooDoo> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[13:37] <MooDoo> well there is a karmic folder there
[13:37]  * bigcalm scratches his head
[13:37] <bigcalm> It is there!
[13:37] <popey> so basically just edit sources.list and change gb.archive.... to old-releases.ubuntu...
[13:37] <bigcalm> Humm, the 'archive' in the URL is the killer
[13:37] <Laney> because old-releases.archive is the wrong host
[13:37] <popey> my bad, sorry.
[13:37] <MooDoo> bigcalm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7653078/
[13:38]  * bigcalm kicks things
[13:38] <bigcalm> No worries :)
[13:38] <MooDoo> can you add this to the sources.list or shoudl I just shut up?
[13:38] <MooDoo> lol
[13:38] <bigcalm> MooDoo: hah, thank you. I will be using that :)
[13:39] <MooDoo> I'm on a roll today, now to install ubuntu server lts and play with nic bonding :)
[13:43] <diddledan> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7169
[13:46] <MooDoo> ok who's applying :) https://ch.tbe.taleo.net/CH03/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=851
[13:46] <foobarry> fred ham
[13:47] <foobarry> joe cheese
[13:47] <popey> oooh!
[13:47] <MooDoo> popey: you going for it.....hint hint
[13:47] <popey> Don't think that's something I want to comment on.
[13:48] <MooDoo> hehe
[13:48] <diddledan> well that's an answer if we want to read into it :-p
[13:49] <MooDoo> he'd only apply so he can org more sprints in exotic places ;)
[13:49] <diddledan> hmm, English fluency is a requirement. that puts me out
[13:51] <diddledan> I don't suppose there'll ever be a need for an idiot incumbant. that would totally suit me
[13:51] <Laney> you could manage me! https://ch.tbe.taleo.net/CH03/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=847
[13:52] <diddledan> dammit, again with the English fluency! are you all descriminating against me?
[13:52] <foobarry> yes, because you can't spell discriminating
[13:53] <diddledan> lol
[13:53] <diddledan> I knew it was wrong because the red squiggles told me so
[13:53] <foobarry> desirable skills: working in a bedroom or shed
[13:53] <diddledan> I couldn't be bothered to fix it
[13:53] <diddledan> ooh I can do that
[13:54] <Laney> shedroom
[13:56] <foobarry> will maybe get a shedroom if the extension comes under budget
[13:58] <daftykins> oh my my, just got paid for a small laptop job in coins
[13:58] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ypx21iw33wi4hry/IMG_20140616_144857.jpg
[13:58] <diddledan> oh joy
[13:59] <diddledan> heavy pocket day
[13:59] <daftykins> indeed!
[13:59] <daftykins> just lucky we have our fine Guernsey £1 notes
[14:00] <directhex> british coins?
[14:00] <directhex> stop stealing our money, foreigner!
[14:00] <daftykins> what ever do you mean, only that £1 coin is yours :>
[14:00] <daftykins> oh there was an English fiver too
[14:01] <foobarry> go to sainsburys , buy food, throw it all in the coin tray
[14:01] <daftykins> lol
[14:01] <daftykins> normally i'd point out we don't have mainlander supermarkets, but my local co-op (different to the UK ones) have those automated tills now \o/
[14:02] <daftykins> pretty neat being able to get in and out and keep the headphones in, no need for social interaction \o/
[14:02] <diddledan> gerroff my lawn!
[14:03] <diddledan> social interaction is for kids
[14:03] <daftykins> ;)
[14:03] <foobarry> and needy people
[14:03] <foobarry> extroverts and the like
[14:03] <diddledan> once you reach a certain age you wish the whole world would ignore you yet will they ever?!
[14:04] <diddledan> it would help if they paid you for the privilege of ignoring you
[14:05] <diddledan> it's amazing the number of people on public transport during rush hour that have headphones jacked-in
[14:06] <daftykins> indeed
[14:06] <daftykins> i think there was an image a bit ago that had the past, where people would meet those at the bus stop - then now where everyone's in their own bubble
[14:06] <diddledan> if I'm doing the rush hour thing then I'm usually one of them too
[14:07] <daftykins> why would anyone ever commute away from amazingstoke?!
[14:07] <daftykins> surely it's the place to be
[14:07] <diddledan> I only go across town - it's about an hour bus ride tho
[14:08] <daftykins> O_O
[14:08] <daftykins> that'd be a lap of the island
[14:08] <diddledan> followed by the dreaded 3/4 mile walk over a huge-ass hill
[14:09] <foobarry> does it have a big bum crack?
[14:10] <diddledan> I'm not sure the residents of cliddesden would like their pokey posh-knobs' village referred to as a big bum crack
[14:13] <davmor2> diddledan: but apparently posh and knob is fine
[14:14] <daftykins> he's referring to their door dressings
[14:14] <davmor2> diddledan: I think you mean the la-dee-da residents ....
[14:14] <diddledan> davmor2: the jolly hockey-stick brigade
[14:14] <davmor2> haha
[14:15] <diddledan> the stiff upper lip, what what
[14:16] <MooDoo> flash by name and flash by nature. huzzah!
[14:16] <davmor2> HUZZAH!
[14:17] <diddledan> is that a kayak in my pocket or am I pleased to see you?!
[14:18] <diddledan> gotta love Bob
[14:19] <diddledan> and slack bladder's inability to say the name
[14:19] <MooDoo> diddledan: you mean the bob which is short for kate?
[14:19] <diddledan> yup
[14:20] <Myrtti> Bobcats?
[14:20] <Myrtti> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/bobcats_monday
[14:20] <Myrtti> bobcats.
[14:21] <diddledan> apparently the way slack bladder says Bob was entirely by accident because Rowen Atkinson has a speach problem when it comes to B's and Bob having two made him think very hard about how to say it clearly each time he said it resulting the weird delay
[14:22] <daftykins> :D
[14:22] <daftykins> that's hilarious
[14:24] <foobarry> i foudn the female bob rather attractive
[14:26] <diddledan> I'd marry him to prevent his demise into male prostitution
[14:27] <foobarry> worth a course of leeches
[14:27] <TwistedLucidity> What's a good tool for editing PDFs? (Extracting pages and masking content)
[14:28] <foobarry> there's a cli tool for extractig pages
[14:28] <diddledan> that link, Myrtti , I wonder if there's really a johnson@boydtech.com
[14:28] <foobarry> and oo draw lets you play with objects on page
[14:29] <TwistedLucidity> What I need to do is pull one page from my phone bill, and mask private numbers. This is so I can claim company expenses.
[14:29] <foobarry> export the page as a png using ht ecli tool
[14:29] <foobarry> pdftk
[14:30] <TwistedLucidity> Oooo-nice idea
[14:30] <foobarry> http://askubuntu.com/questions/221962/how-can-i-extract-a-page-range-a-part-of-a-pdf
[14:30] <foobarry> pdfshuffler is cool
[14:32] <TwistedLucidity> I used to use something - can't remember what it was for the life of me. Might have been shuffler.
[14:36] <foobarry> choux-fleur
[14:36] <Armag3dd0n24> im bored :/
[14:37] <foobarry> Armag3dd0n24: have you finished reading the internet yet?
[14:37] <foobarry> the whole internet.
[14:37] <Armag3dd0n24> yes! twice now. :p
[14:37] <foobarry> i just saw a new page
[14:37] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: imagemagick is awesome. "convert -density 300 in.pdf out.png" Spits out as indiviual pages. Just what I want.
[14:38] <foobarry> computers are awesome*
[14:38] <foobarry> *when they do good things
[14:38] <awilkins> Good software is awesome
[14:46] <tecma> hello
[14:49] <daftykins> hi
[14:49] <tecma> hi daftykins
[16:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you figure out how to make irssi-proxy load by default?
[16:19] <bigcalm> davmor2: how do you mean?
[16:19] <bigcalm> davmor2: starting irssi to start irssi-proxy?
[16:19] <bigcalm> If so, yes
[16:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: yes
[16:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: as in autostarting irssi-proxy
[16:21] <Myrtti> echo "load proxy" > .irssi/startup
[16:21] <bigcalm> echo "/load proxy" >> ~/.irssi/startup
[16:21] <Myrtti> well, yes.
[16:21] <Myrtti> bigcalm got it better
[16:21]  * bigcalm hugs Myrtti
[16:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: Myrtti: spent ages trying to figure that out.  LOAD proxy is the one that worked for me /LOAD PROXY failed dismally which was the only reference I found online
[16:23]  * bigcalm shrugs
[16:23] <bigcalm> it's what is in my ~/.irssi/startup
[16:23] <Myrtti> well, the proxy thing is a plugin, not a script
[16:23] <Myrtti> so it needs a bit of extra love
[16:24] <Myrtti> I'm trying to fight the need to get a nap so bad
[16:24] <Myrtti> blaar
[16:24] <mapps> a nap at this time?
[16:25] <mapps> wont that make it hard to sleep later
[16:26] <Myrtti> there is a reason why I'm fighting the nap
[16:27] <mapps> heh
[16:27] <mapps> some people can have naps and still sleep later..i cant tho bu i only sleep 6-8 hrs a night
[16:27] <mapps> my friend can sleep for 12-15
[16:29] <daftykins> i'm like that :/
[16:34] <mapps> really/
[16:34] <mapps> ?
[16:34] <mapps> damn how
[16:34] <mapps> my friend will go for a nap say 5pm-9pm then skeep 9-10 hrs
[16:34] <daftykins> sleeping 12hrs straight?
[16:34] <mapps> yea
[16:34] <daftykins> oh well i never nap, i consider it wrong
[16:34] <daftykins> i'm either up or down :>
[16:34] <daftykins> the only thing that messes with my sleep is the alearm clock effect
[16:37] <mapps> heh
[16:37] <daftykins> mapps: did you see my many different disk and SSD benchmark pic? :>
[16:38] <mapps> nah lets see
[16:38] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p59zslb8e7wy9ms/drives.png
[16:39] <daftykins> HDD, 2 x HDD in RAID 0, then 4 x SSDs
[16:39] <mapps> will check at ht
[19:13] <[ENG]mapps> hi
[20:29] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[20:29] <popey> Yo!
[20:37] <bigcalm> What's happening?
[20:41] <bigcalm> That much eh?
[20:42] <foobarry> popey: u know that discussion t'other day about facebook
[20:42] <foobarry> and commenting on groups
[20:42] <foobarry> a friend's comment on an open group appeared in my main feed on my phone
[20:51] <dogmatic69_> Anyone know of a tutorial on setting up a new raid 1 for existsting system?
[21:13] <popey> foobarry: an open group you're in?
[21:25] <awilkins> Holy shit. No Man's Sky .... 7 man dev team
[21:26] <awilkins> Ooops, wrong channel
[21:26] <awilkins> Apologies for offensive language
[21:27] <popey> awilkins: I agree though
[21:27] <popey> it does look amazing
[21:27] <popey> their trailer is one of the videos I use to test media playback on ubuntu phone ☻
[21:30] <dogmatic69_> this seemed to do the tick with raid, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1687994
[21:31] <diddledan> oh this isn't going to stir the hornets' nest any: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/jun/16/british-public-wrong-rich-poor-tax-research
[21:31] <Hornet> a wild ping appeared!
[21:31] <diddledan> Hornet: ponbg
[21:32] <diddledan> pong*
[21:32] <awilkins> No Man's Sky reminds me of Outcast, visually
[21:34] <bigcalm> When merging 2 branches in git and there's a conflict. How would I get it to discard the version in the branch I started with and use the version from the incoming branch?
[21:36] <diddledan> bigcalm: you would need to resolve the conflicts individually AFAICT
[21:36] <bigcalm> diddledan: by hand?
[21:36] <bigcalm> Ho hum
[21:37] <bigcalm> I might as well just grab the file I want from gitlab
[21:37] <diddledan> alternatively discard one branch and work off a fork of the other
[21:39] <awilkins> I use `git mergetool`
[21:40] <bigcalm> Na, I'm in the process of merging test into master for a deployment tomorrow
[21:40] <awilkins> My preferred tool is Beyond Compare (one of the few softwares I pay for on Linux)
[21:40] <diddledan> then the question I have is why has master changed independantly of test?!
[21:40] <awilkins> Something else merged into it?
[21:40] <diddledan> so why didn't you merge that something else into test at the same time to remain baseline?!
[21:42] <bigcalm> diddledan: it was a hot fix that was needed on production but would be replaced when this version was deployed
[21:42] <diddledan> http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
[21:42] <bigcalm> I hate live hot fixes
[21:43] <bigcalm> That image follows what we do already
[21:43] <diddledan> note the hotfix 0.2 on that chart
[21:43] <diddledan> the hotfix is applied not only to live BUT ALSO into all future development brances
[21:43] <diddledan> branches
[21:43] <bigcalm> The hot fix that was deployed had no use in development
[21:44] <diddledan> that's besides the point, you still need it to prevent this situation
[21:44] <bigcalm> Quite so
[21:44] <diddledan> merge it in and then immediately create a commit which removes it again
[21:45] <diddledan> this will then maintain the order of activity when you merge a dev branch into live
[21:46] <diddledan> as it is your dev branch which you're merging has a different baseline to the live branch which causes this kind of issue - following that guide you could have prevented it
[21:47] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[21:48] <diddledan> as it is you need to now manually clean up because the merge has thrown a wobbly (otherwise you'd not be asking the question :-)
[21:49] <diddledan> git does a nice job of highlighting merge conflicts with <<<<< and [21:49] <diddledan> which also happily break the code if you don't sort them so that it's easy to spot when you go QA
[21:49] <diddledan> (or if you miss one)
[21:51] <diddledan> syntax errors are awesome for spotting missed merge conflicts (unless they make it into the live version :-p) ::-)
[21:53] <dogmatic69_> I made a raid 1 and I cant get it to auto mount or whatever it needs to do on boot.
[21:53] <dogmatic69_> When I boot I just see the two drives
[21:54] <diddledan> dogmatic69_: did you do it with a motherboard's raid functionality?
[21:54] <dogmatic69_> no, softraid
[21:54] <dogmatic69_> mdadm
[21:54] <diddledan> then that is indeed odd
[21:54] <dogmatic69_> ye
[21:55] <diddledan> fakeraid aka motherboard raid causes that kind of issue - linux has got a lot better at it though over the last few years
[21:55] <dogmatic69_> basically formatted both drives, made on big ext4 on each, done the mdadm --create and added 'ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 metadata=1.2 name=optimus-prime:0 UUID=8d21bbe8:37956ed9:16fd12e6:eef7b2f5' to the config
[21:56] <dogmatic69_> created with: mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=mirror --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda /dev/sdb
[21:56] <diddledan> what does `cat /proc/mdstat` say?
[21:56] <dogmatic69_> md0 : active raid1 sdb[1] sda[0]
[21:56] <dogmatic69_> md0 : active raid1 sdb[1] sda[0]
[21:56] <diddledan> then your raid is active
[21:56] <dogmatic69_> yes, it is
[21:57] <dogmatic69_> but when I reboot its gone
[21:57] <dogmatic69_> that /proc/mdstat also says [>....................]  resync =  0.2% (7502336/2930135360) finish=1651.2min speed=29497K/sec
[21:57] <dogmatic69_> is that good/bad/normal?
[21:57] <dogmatic69_> idk why its got to sync, both brand new drives
[21:57] <diddledan> normal - it needs to sync the two discs before it can safely replicate
[21:58] <dogmatic69_> ok
[21:58] <dogmatic69_> but restarting at this point should work?
[21:58] <diddledan> even if that means syncing efectively blank data
[21:58] <diddledan> it'll only work off one of the drives
[21:59] <diddledan> but the raid should initialise
[21:59] <dogmatic69_> hmm
[21:59] <dogmatic69_> also I added something in fstab
[21:59] <dogmatic69_> /dev/md0 /raid ext4 defaults,nobootwait 0 2
[21:59] <bigcalm> /dev/md3	/media/RAID1_3/	auto	defaults	0	0
[21:59] <dogmatic69_> auto sounds good...
[21:59] <bigcalm> That's the 2nd raid1 on my home server
[21:59] <Hornet> anyone used sshfs much? having mental issues trying to get files to move between remove drives. mv as the user in ssh works, but not via sshfs in either nemo or other file managers
[22:00] <dogmatic69_> oh, that is just ext4/auto
[22:00] <diddledan> dogmatic69_: is this your root partition or an ancillary data partition?
[22:00] <dogmatic69_> bigcalm: you know what the 0 0 is?
[22:00] <dogmatic69_> ancillary
[22:00] <Hornet> permissions seem right, but it just fails with 'operation not permitted'
[22:00] <dogmatic69_> got a ssd for boot
[22:00] <Hornet> well clearly permissions are right, as mv works
[22:00] <bigcalm> dogmatic69_: never really looked into what it all means, sorry :)
[22:00] <dogmatic69_> no prob
[22:00] <dogmatic69_> I coppied this from a tut :/
[22:02] <diddledan> dogmatic69_: the first 0 is "dump" which is used rarely, and I'm not entirely sure what for but it's advised that your root fs has it as 1, and the second 0 is "pass" which defines the weight of each filesystem for ordering in-boot-time fsck (i.e. before remounting root read-write)
[22:02] <bigcalm> dogmatic69_: I think I followed https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/advanced-installation.html when I set-up my server the 1st time and then cherry picked some bits when adding my 2nd RAID
[22:02] <dogmatic69_> diddledan: tx, just found a doc with that :D
[22:03] <dogmatic69_> bigcalm: ye, this is existing setup so doing it manual
[22:04] <dogmatic69_> when I boot, I just run the mdadm create and then mount -a and it works again,
[22:04] <dogmatic69_> seems it just needs to mount
[22:05] <dogmatic69_> sounds like it could be the nobootwait option I got there
[22:05] <diddledan> nono, don't run "create" once it's already created
[22:06] <diddledan> you want to "assemble"
[22:06] <diddledan> (I think that's the write verb)
[22:06] <diddledan> right**
[22:06] <dogmatic69_> I read that
[22:06] <dogmatic69_> yes, it is --assemble
[22:09] <dogmatic69_> bigcalm: that 0 at the end of your config disables any disk checks btw
[22:09] <bigcalm> Tag v1.4.0 successfully pushed to origin, ready for tomorrow's deployment
[22:10] <diddledan> \o/
[22:10] <bigcalm> dogmatic69_: I see
[22:11] <bigcalm> Now I get to compare against tag names, not hash strings I have to hunt for :)
[22:11] <diddledan> hehe
[22:11] <diddledan> tags are good!
[22:12] <diddledan> #hashtag #ftw
[22:12]  * bigcalm hugs gitlab
[22:12] <bigcalm> code.client.co.uk/project-foo/compare/v1.3.2.1...v1.4.0
[22:13] <dogmatic69_> bigcalm: normally you can just use 4 or 5 chars, depending on the number of commits
[22:13] <bigcalm> dogmatic69_: sure, still a matter of finding them
[22:14] <dogmatic69_> ye
[22:14] <bigcalm> Tags are sensible for humans
[22:14] <dogmatic69_> also, not sure if this would work in the url but does in cli, git diff HEAD~10
[22:14] <dogmatic69_> compare HEAD to 10 commits back
[22:14] <dogmatic69_> something like that
[22:18] <diddledan> time for me to get some shuteye methinks
[22:21] <bigcalm> Wish I could remember why I opened the diff in gitlab - what was it that I was looking for?
[22:22] <dogmatic69_> bigcalm: the difference ;)
[22:22] <bigcalm> :P4
[22:22] <bigcalm> -4
[22:22] <bigcalm> I should get a live db dump
[22:23] <bigcalm> The import might take some time
[22:35] <dogmatic69_> figured out how to make this sync faster \o/
[22:36] <dogmatic69_> down from 27 hours to 270 minutes