[01:20] <nhaines> Well, in the grand tradition of "My computer's working very well lately; I should break it," I'm going to see if I can get Windows XP installed for a triple boot setup.  Probably on a logical partition.
[01:21] <DonkeyHotei> will it even run from a logical partition?
[01:21] <nhaines> Oh yeah, it'll run fine.  That's not the main problem.
[01:22] <nhaines> I figured out that the system reserved partition that Windows Vista and higher create is simply there in order to ensure an active primary partition for the bootloader.
[01:22] <DonkeyHotei> if i want to break this computer, i can just upgrade it to trusty. instant elimination of usability
[01:22] <Roguehorse> Just found out my nephew is turning down a FULL RIDE at MIT for a full ride at NC State...I want to kick his butt!
[01:23] <nhaines> In other words, if I'd just partitioned the drive appropriately beforehand, I could've had a free partition available for XP.
[01:24] <nhaines> The big questions now are: do I want to nuke my boot partition and resize my Win8 partition to make room for XP?  Also, do I know where my Win8 setup disc went to.
[01:24] <akk> I assume you're fully backed up before starting any of this. :)
[01:25] <nhaines> Eh.  :)
[01:26] <nhaines> Ubuntu is.  But there's not a lot on the Windows size.  It'd be a huge pain to lose it but it's a reinstall, Firefox, Steam, and Catalyst install, and then the Windows upgrade treadmill.  Nothing crazy.
[01:27] <nhaines> All of this is of course only to run X-Wing: Alliance.
[01:27] <nhaines> With hardware acceleration, anyway.
[01:38] <jose> who's going to watch GoT?
[01:40] <DonkeyHotei> not me
[01:50]  * ianorlin doesn't watch that
[01:53] <nhaines> Nope.  Might read the books still.
[01:56] <Roguehorse> No - I've been watching The Walking Dead on Netflix when I can and Gibson Research Company on YouTube
[01:57] <nhaines> And the WinXP disc locks my system so that's the end of that.  More research to follow.
[01:58] <Roguehorse> GRC - Security Now series is pretty cool
[01:58] <DonkeyHotei> eps: i plan to see you tomorrow
[01:58] <nhaines> On the bright side, I discovered that my laptop *does* have USB 3.0 ports after all.  On the less bright side, they're not where I want them and I only have one USB 3.0 device anyway.
[01:59] <ianorlin> I was planning on having 6 on a desktop I want to build
[01:59] <akk> My fast desktop system doesn't have usb3 but my silly little netbook does.
[01:59] <nhaines> On the more bright side, it's a slimline USB drive, so I've got that going for me, which is nice.
[02:00] <DonkeyHotei> is usb3 just as cpu-bound for i/o as usb2?
[02:01] <jyo> nhaines: http://www.amazon.com/Apricorn-Notebook-Upgrade-Connection-ASW-USB3-25/dp/B005C983NA/
[02:01] <darthrobot> Title: [Amazon.com: Apricorn SATA Wire Notebook Hard Drive Upgrade Kit with USB 3.0 Connection ASW-USB3-25 (Grey): Electronics]
[02:02] <jyo> nhaines: The software is obviously pointless but it does works as expected[C.
[02:03] <nhaines> jyo: that's used for file recovery.  I already have a similar one.  :)
[02:04] <nhaines> So are we having a party or what?
[02:04] <nhaines> rww, pleia2: ping  :P
[02:04] <ianorlin> rww around?
[02:04] <Roguehorse> : )
[02:05] <nhaines> Don't make me start making phone calls.  :)
[02:05] <DonkeyHotei> to jono?
[02:06] <nhaines> I can call him too.
[02:06] <nhaines> Okay, who all's here for the meeting?
[02:06] <eps> o/
[02:06] <ianorlin> o/
[02:07] <DonkeyHotei> /o
[02:07] <Roguehorse> o/
[02:08] <jyo> o/
[02:08] <DonkeyHotei> /o
[02:08] <nhaines> Awesome.  Okay.  Normally this is where I'd just start running the meeting, but rww want to discuss a specific topic, so it's phone call time.  I'm sure we'll be up by 19:15.  :)
[02:09] <Roguehorse> sounds good
[02:13] <nhaines> So we'll probably discuss https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2014-June/002438.html
[02:13] <darthrobot> Title: [[Ubuntu-US-CA] Event ideas for summer/fall]
[02:13] <nhaines> And of course, after we use that to stall until rww gets here, we'll chat about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2014-June/002437.html
[02:13] <darthrobot> Title: [[Ubuntu-US-CA] Leadership Document amendment: Decisions on non-agendized topics during IRC meetings]
[02:14] <eps> If he doesn't show, we should table it.
[02:15] <nhaines> We can always discuss it again.
[02:15] <nhaines> Okay, here we go.
[02:15] <nhaines> #startmeeting
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[02:15] <nhaines> Okay, so the agenda ended up empty this time: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/14June15
[02:15] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/14June15 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:16] <nhaines> Therefore, we're just going to have some informal discussion.
[02:16] <nhaines> #topic Event ideas for summer/fall
[02:16] <nhaines> So as you know, summer and fall are traditionally more quiet periods for the LoCo.
[02:17] <nhaines> I've been thinking about Ubuntu App Development School presentations, and I know rww has as well.
[02:17] <DonkeyHotei> Roguehorse: with regard to your msg, he.net already hosts a lug last i knew
[02:17] <nhaines> OCLUG wants to do an installfest again in September and I'm going to talk about a bigger venue with them next Saturday.
[02:17] <nhaines> Does anyone else have any thoughts or ideas on events we could put on?
[02:18] <ianorlin> ubuntu hour somewhere?
[02:18] <nhaines> Ubuntu Hours are always welcome.  But they're meant to be more informal style events.
[02:19] <Roguehorse> DonkeyHotei: They do EBLUG and SILICON Valley Web Builder but I'm sure They wouldn't mind an occasional Ubuntu event
[02:19] <nhaines> We have a lot of members and it'd be nice to work together and do something special and fun.  :)
[02:19] <jyo> Wouldn't be my first choice for venue though, given the location.
[02:21] <DonkeyHotei> jyo: the location being suboptimal for EBLUG is why BerkeleyLUG came into being
[02:22] <Roguehorse> DonkeyHotei: Ok, I have not been informed on that history so I am not aware
[02:22] <nhaines> Roguehorse, DonkeyHotei: can you please continue this after the meeting?
[02:22] <Roguehorse> nhaines: Fair
[02:22] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: this was in response to the summer/fall events msg
[02:24] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: you're discussing https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2014-June/002440.html ?
[02:24] <darthrobot> Title: [[Ubuntu-US-CA] Event ideas for summer/fall]
[02:24] <Roguehorse> AFAIK - HE.net is a venue I have access to for events - Including UbuntuCA
[02:25] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2014-June/002438.html
[02:25] <darthrobot> Title: [[Ubuntu-US-CA] Event ideas for summer/fall]
[02:25] <nhaines> Roguehorse: It's definitely good to have friendly venues.
[02:25] <Roguehorse> nhaines: TY : )
[02:25] <DonkeyHotei> oops
[02:26] <Roguehorse> As for ideas of stuff to do? DK
[02:26] <jyo> I wouldn't worry too much about event space; plenty of companies close to public transit that would be happy to have us. (I think the AdRoll release party worked out quite well.) Should focus on ideas first.
[02:26] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: i meant https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2014-June/002440.html
[02:26] <darthrobot> Title: [[Ubuntu-US-CA] Event ideas for summer/fall]
[02:26] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: that's what I linked to.
[02:26] <nhaines> jyo: I tend to agree.
[02:26] <nhaines> Still, I'm glad HE was mentioned because sometimes ideas follow from venue, too.
[02:27] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: the last link is Roguehorse suggesting he.net
[02:27] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: yes, that's what I linked.
[02:27]  * ianorlin thinks this is looking for ideas would be good now
[02:28] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: sorry, misclicked, then
[02:28] <nhaines> For any event, we would still need someone to stop up and volunteer to organize the event.  Are there any events that someone's wanted to run or be a part of that we haven't done?
[02:28] <nhaines> Or maybe something went well and you want to do it again?  :)
[02:28] <Roguehorse> just throwing it out there, but I just installed Mudlet. Maybe we could do some kind of party around that?
[02:29] <nhaines> MUDs are all so different.  It'd be tricky to find something that was beginner-friendly and suited everyone's tastes.  :)
[02:29] <DonkeyHotei> installfests can install packages, not just distros
[02:30] <jyo> Well, typically, meatspace events are more successful at attracting interested newcomers and bringing out the old guard.
[02:30] <nhaines> We can definitely do a team thing there, but LoCo events should be focused on public Ubuntu advocacy, since that's the purpose of a LoCo Team.
[02:30] <DonkeyHotei> jyo: that depends on location, really
[02:30] <Roguehorse> nhaines: True
[02:31] <nhaines> Roguehorse: maybe we'll talk MUDs after the meeting.  :)
[02:31] <eps> This isn't really a fully-formed idea, but I'd like to see some sort of "how to be an installfest volunteer" -- we're assuming that people come in with skills, and I don't think that's necessarily the case.
[02:31] <Roguehorse> nhaines: k
[02:31] <ianorlin> that could help people if they find freinds they want to convert as well
[02:31] <akk> Even if they have installing/system skills, it can be confusing to know how to help people at an installfest.
[02:32] <akk> How do you say you're one of the helpers? How do you find out who needs help?
[02:32] <nhaines> eps: another important reason to put on events is to get new members at these events to gather experience.
[02:32] <Roguehorse> So like "INstallfest Training Seminar?"
[02:32] <eps> Roguehorse: yeah
[02:32] <Roguehorse> could be cool
[02:32] <DonkeyHotei> eps: i think there is the beginnings of that somewhere in the Linux Documentation Project
[02:32] <nhaines> It was fully my intention to do some installfest training at the last one, but it didn't work out so well.  Not enough time.
[02:32] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/text/Installfest-HOWTO is very helpful.
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[02:33] <Roguehorse> like a training class....we could build an outline and everyone follows along
[02:33] <DonkeyHotei> eps: what nhaines said
[02:33] <nhaines> Would anyone be interested in a Google Hangouts online session, maybe?
[02:33]  * ianorlin would
[02:33] <Roguehorse> we could do something like that
[02:33] <jyo> Yeah, Installfest Training feels more like a Google Hangouts session going over some common points before an event than an event in itself.
[02:34] <nhaines> I have an "Advocacy for Advocates" presentation that I need to push to people.ubuntu.com that's a good start, too.  Better than nothing.
[02:34] <nhaines> jyo: I'd *prefer* to do it in person, but we're so small and geographically scattered that online would probably be better.
[02:34] <Roguehorse> I think I like where this is going : )
[02:35] <nhaines> And as long as we're doing that, maybe we can steal #ubuntu-classroom or #ubuntu-meeting and do something bigger than just California.
[02:35] <Roguehorse> We should combine the event as a local "in person" combined as a MOOC
[02:35] <DonkeyHotei> if anyone objects to google hangouts, a guy at noisebridge demonstrated https://sylaps.com/
[02:35] <darthrobot> Title: [Sylaps - Devilishly easy collaboration!]
[02:36] <jyo> That feels like something someone at Noisebridge would object to.
[02:36] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: Thanks for that.  Alternatives are good.
[02:36] <nhaines> Okay, so I like that idea.  Let's discuss it and develop it further.
[02:36] <DonkeyHotei> note: it was demonstrated by its creator
[02:36] <Roguehorse> jyo: can't please everyone
[02:36] <nhaines> eps: do you feel like bringing it to the mailing list or shall I?
[02:37] <ianorlin> although timezones come into effect if it is online but that should be disscussed later
[02:37] <eps> nhaines: all yours
[02:37] <nhaines> We have a lot of veteran event organizers in this LoCo and the more training we get the better people will feel about volunteering, I hope.  :)
[02:37] <nhaines> eps: okay, I'll do that then.
[02:38] <nhaines> #action Raise discussion for an "Installfest volunteer training" online class on the Ubuntu California mailing list.
[02:38] <darthrobot> ACTION: Raise discussion for an "Installfest volunteer training" online class on the Ubuntu California mailing list.
[02:38] <nhaines> All right, any other event ideas?
[02:39] <nhaines> All right, then.  What does everybody think about Ubuntu App Dev schools?
[02:40] <DonkeyHotei> i agree that ubuntu phone is a worthwhile agenda for such
[02:40]  * ianorlin is mildly interested personally but thinks other people probably are more interested than I am
[02:41] <Roguehorse> I like the phone app idea but I think it's limited
[02:42] <eps> What are the prerequisites?
[02:42] <nhaines> Pretty much someone who has some idea of app development and a venue where people can plug in laptops.
[02:42] <Roguehorse> I like the Dev School idea though - I'm always big on Dev Ed
[02:43] <eps> I mean, if you expect people to be comfortable with Qt you need to teach Qt first.
[02:44] <Roguehorse> Qt is very cool but I've only dabbled with it. I would definitely be down on getting deeper into it with others though : )
[02:44] <nhaines> Oh, gotcha.  No prequisites.  The presentations basically run down what an Ubuntu app is and some of the tools, and then presumably you'd lead everyone in a demo building an app.
[02:44] <nhaines> Ubuntu apps use QML.
[02:44] <ianorlin> sort of like Richard Gaskins live code at Ubucon?
[02:45] <DonkeyHotei> Qt would be cuter without all the c++
[02:45] <nhaines> They also use Javascript, not C++.  Unless you already know C++.
[02:45] <nhaines> ianorlin: I literally don't remember anything about Ubucon other than that I harassed Jono during his talk.  :)
[02:46] <nhaines> Okay, we'll have to figure out more about the App Development School idea.  I'll probably talk to rww and see where he is about that.
[02:47] <DonkeyHotei> or where he is, period
[02:47] <nhaines> That brings us to the next topic.
[02:47] <nhaines> #topic Leadership Document amendment: Decisions on non-agendized topics during IRC meetings
[02:47] <nhaines> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2014-June/002437.html
[02:47] <darthrobot> Title: [[Ubuntu-US-CA] Leadership Document amendment: Decisions on non-agendized topics during IRC meetings]
[02:48] <nhaines> It's been suggested that the LoCo should formally adopt a time limit before meetings.
[02:48] <DonkeyHotei> there is really no reason to'
[02:48] <nhaines> After that time limit, no item placed on the meeting agenda will be actionable.  That is, it can be discussed but no action may be voted on that will commit the LoCo for or against a topic.
[02:49] <ianorlin> not sure if it gets put on last second could not be discussed
[02:49] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: the reason is that in the past, topics have been added minutes before the meeting, and then votes have been called.  This makes it very difficult for all stakeholders to be present during the discussion.
[02:49] <DonkeyHotei> ah, ok
[02:49] <nhaines> ianorlin: no one's suggesting that.
[02:50] <ianorlin> argh worded that badly
[02:50] <nhaines> Plus, sometimes items have been added for discussion and the adders have been accused of trying to push discussion through, too.
[02:50] <nhaines> So this amendment would make it clear that last-minute agenda items wouldn't be actionable.
[02:51] <Roguehorse> I like having agendas - and sticking to them - then open discussion after
[02:51] <nhaines> An "action" would mean formal voting, adoption of position statements, disbursement of LoCo funds, and other significant decisions like that.
[02:51] <DonkeyHotei> how about 8pm the preceding friday?
[02:52] <nhaines> The proposed amendement puts the deadline at 7pm the preceeding Friday.
[02:52] <nhaines> Or rather to say, 48 hours before the meeting.
[02:52] <DonkeyHotei> rush hour ends at 7pm on weekdays
[02:52] <DonkeyHotei> i propose adding an extra hour for that reason
[02:52] <nhaines> and by 7pm Friday, many already have their weekends planned.
[02:53] <ianorlin> is one hour really that big a deal in the time frame?
[02:54] <nhaines> #idea Allow agenda topics to be added on Friday evenings.
[02:54] <nhaines> Does anyone have any thoughts on that?
[02:55] <Roguehorse> 36hr cut-off might be better
[02:55] <jyo> It's a two week timeframe. 48 hours before (i.e. 7p) should be fine.
[02:55] <eps> Change 48 hours to 72 hours
[02:55] <nhaines> #idea 36-hour cutoff instead of 48-hour cutoff.
[02:55] <nhaines> #idea 72-hour cutoff instead of 48-hour cutoff.
[02:56] <DonkeyHotei> Roguehorse: many people will not notice something added on a weekend
[02:56] <DonkeyHotei> eps: again, rush hour
[02:56] <eps> DonkeyHotei: don't wait until the last minute
[02:57] <ianorlin> you don't have to add it at the deadline
[02:57] <Roguehorse> DonkeyHotei: Gives time through Friday night after rush-hour to put in last minute thoughts
[02:58] <DonkeyHotei> Roguehorse: whether thurs or fri, 8pm can accomplish that
[02:58] <jyo> Maybe we should predicate all our timing decisions on local traffic conditions.
[02:59] <DonkeyHotei> jyo: it's a big state
[02:59] <Roguehorse> jyo: Yeah, define "local"?
[02:59] <nhaines> jyo: well, I don't think it's unreasonable to think about these things when we discuss events.
[03:00] <nhaines> So it's definitely worth bringing up.
[03:00] <nhaines> Is anyone opposed to a restriction such as the one proposed?
[03:00] <ianorlin> no not opposed to the restriction
[03:01] <Roguehorse> no oppositions
[03:01] <eps> We have a restriction -- all of the proposals are for lengthening it.
[03:01] <DonkeyHotei> i am not opposed in general, just have reservations about the exact cutoff
[03:01] <nhaines> Do we have a restriction?
[03:01] <eps> 24 hours
[03:01] <jyo> Set one and then walk it forward as necessary.
[03:02] <nhaines> eps: That's not in the leadership document.  Do you have a source?
[03:02] <eps> It's been the established convention
[03:02] <DonkeyHotei> the proposal is to codify
[03:03] <nhaines> The leaders are looking to codify this restriction.
[03:03] <ianorlin> which makes sense
[03:03] <rww> oh, howdy
[03:03] <nhaines> Okay.  Everyone seems in favor of having a restriction.  At least, no one's opposed to it.
[03:03] <rww> apparently 7pm happened
[03:03] <nhaines> Oh hey rww
[03:03] <rww> sorry :[
[03:04] <DonkeyHotei> it happened an hour ago
[03:04] <nhaines> rww: it's okay, I remembered how to bot.
[03:04] <eps> bot is a verb now?
[03:04]  * ianorlin needs to get his dad dinner
[03:04] <rww> elky distracted me with amazing food
[03:05] <nhaines> eps: http://www.languagetrainers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/calvinverbing.jpg
[03:05] <DonkeyHotei> eps: it's not a verb how google is not a verb
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[03:05] <nhaines> For the official meeting record.  :P
[03:05] <nhaines> rww: I find this an acceptable excuse.
[03:05] <rww> anyways, I just read scrollback for this topic. We're fine with a timing restriction, just not sure what the length should be?
[03:06] <ianorlin>  yes
[03:06] <nhaines> Okay, does anyone think the time limit should be extended back from the meeting from Friday, or pushed forward to Saturday?
[03:06]  * eps thought "xerox" was the only thing you couldn't verb
[03:06] <nhaines> rww: pretty much.
[03:06] <Roguehorse> 'bout
[03:07] <rww> I figure we set it to 48 hours and see how it goes. If you want something on the agenda, you have two weeks to do it. If you are able to show up for a meeting on Sunday but can't read an agenda all of Sunday or Saturday, or Friday evening, your schedule is odd.
[03:07] <Roguehorse> so far we have: 24, 36, 48 and 72 hr proposals
[03:07] <rww> And anyways, it's not getting decided on today. If the only point of contention is the time period, yay.
[03:07] <elky> 48 is fairly typical
[03:07] <DonkeyHotei> Roguehorse: add mine of 47
[03:07] <nhaines> Roguehorse: also 23-hour proposals.
[03:07] <ianorlin> 47 hours as well I think
[03:07] <nhaines> Also I meant 47.
[03:08] <Roguehorse> ah geez!
[03:08] <eps> n is n-m with an m grace period ;-)
[03:08] <eps> or something like that
[03:08] <nhaines> No grace periods, please.  :)
[03:08] <eps> n+m maybe
[03:08] <nhaines> If there's a grace period, just make *that* the time limit.
[03:08] <Roguehorse> 23, 24, 36, 47, 48 and 72 hr proposals
[03:08] <DonkeyHotei> and i responded to the 72 with 71
[03:09] <nhaines> Well I was going to call for a vote on this but now rww's here so he'll catch me.
[03:09] <Roguehorse> and to think I'm missing the Gong Show for this!
[03:09] <nhaines> But it's good to know that we're all in general agreement, anyway.
[03:09] <rww> I specified the meeting two weeks from today for voting on the actual amendment.
[03:09] <Roguehorse> : P
[03:10] <ianorlin> ah yeah vote on it then
[03:10]  * ianorlin goes to get his dad dinner
[03:10] <nhaines> Might be good to take it back to the mailing list, then.  Any other comments on this before we wrap it up?
[03:10] <rww> This is because voting on something that I proposed today that would ban voting on something that I proposed today is a bit too funny for me.
[03:10] <nhaines> rww: it's the entire reason I wanted to call the vote.  :)
[03:10] <rww> lol
[03:10] <rww> I like you, you should run for u-us-ca council
[03:10] <rww> anyway
[03:10] <DonkeyHotei> rww: so two weeks minus 24 hours of more numbers are allowed?
[03:11] <rww> DonkeyHotei: enoparse
[03:11] <nhaines> But right, the discussion topic was intended to be an informal discussion and not actionable at this meeting.
[03:11] <eps> CIVS, here we come.
[03:12] <DonkeyHotei> rww: don't worry, parsing stuff i say isn't something everyone can do
[03:12] <nhaines> rww can actionate it next time.  :P
[03:12] <rww> actionize **
[03:12] <nhaines> ALL SYSTEMS ACTIONATED
[03:12] <nhaines> Okay, so I think that's about it for this topic, then.
[03:12]  * rww nods
[03:13] <nhaines> #topic Miscellaneous
[03:13] <nhaines> Anything else before we wrap it up?
[03:13] <rww> sensible proposals for alternate time frames (or other amendment improvements) welcome on mailing list
[03:13] <nhaines> rww: I'm sorry, we've already moved on.
[03:13] <rww> nhaines: network lag, clearly
[03:13] <Roguehorse> LOL - schooled : P
[03:13] <rww> nhaines: blame jyo
[03:13] <nhaines> This whole channel is out of order!
[03:13] <nhaines> haha, we'll call it lag.  :)
[03:14] <rww> I think we should start deciding who's going to do post-meeting stuff at the end of the meeting.
[03:14] <rww> I nominate nhaines.
[03:14] <nhaines> #vote Should rww do all the post-meeting stuff at the end of meetings?
[03:14] <darthrobot> Please vote on: Should rww do all the post-meeting stuff at the end of meetings?
[03:14] <darthrobot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[03:14] <nhaines> +1
[03:14] <darthrobot> +1 received from nhaines
[03:14] <DonkeyHotei> speaking of lag, what's rww's take on summer/fall events as discussed?
[03:14] <nhaines> Too bad we don't have that 48-hour rule thing right?  Also I don't think I know how to end the voting.
[03:15] <eps> +0
[03:15] <rww> -1
[03:15] <darthrobot> +0 received from eps
[03:15] <darthrobot> -1 received from rww
[03:15] <rww> #endvote
[03:15] <rww> which I can't do because not chair
[03:15] <rww> because coup or something
[03:15] <rww> -5
[03:15] <rww> aww
[03:15] <nhaines> OVERRULED!
[03:15] <nhaines> #endvote
[03:15] <darthrobot> Voting ended on: Should rww do all the post-meeting stuff at the end of meetings?
[03:15] <darthrobot> Votes for:1 Votes against:1 Abstentions:1
[03:15] <darthrobot> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
[03:15] <nhaines> You win this time, rww!
[03:15] <elky> the casting vote by who?
[03:15]  * nhaines shakes fist.
[03:16]  * eps cackles
[03:16] <rww> elky: me, as the only member of the oligarchy currently present
[03:16] <rww> With my casting vote, I vote for systemd as default Debian init system.
[03:16] <rww> No wait.
[03:16] <rww> anyway
[03:16] <elky> you vote systemd for president, we get it
[03:16] <rww> I vote elky does the post-meeting tasks
[03:16] <elky> wat
[03:17] <nhaines> Casting vote accepted.  Congrats, elky!
[03:17] <rww> elky: there is a checklist and everything, and you love moin so much
[03:17] <elky> i already made you dinner, what is this
[03:17] <nhaines> elky: next time he demands medium-rare cook temps.
[03:17] <rww> elky: I'm balancing out the patriarchy.
[03:17] <rww> nhaines: #endmeeting plz :P
[03:17] <eps> It's Fathers' Day.
[03:18] <rww> DonkeyHotei: I'll take a look later; I was in the middle of something before elky noted we failed at alarm.
[03:18] <Roguehorse> That got scary for a while : |
[03:18] <nhaines> Okay, so I think we did pretty good for an informal meeting.  Couple of event suggestion ideas, a beginning concensus on the agenda thing.
[03:18] <DonkeyHotei> elky didn't even answer as present for the meeting
[03:18] <nhaines> See everyone here in two weeks, and also immediately following the meeting.  Thanks to everyone for their time.  :)
[03:18] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[03:18] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Jun 16 03:18:42 2014 UTC.
[03:18] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2014/ubuntu-us-ca.2014-06-16-02.15.moin.txt
[03:18] <Roguehorse> Do we have to start over?
[03:18] <nhaines> Roguehorse: yes.  That meeting was just practice.
[03:19] <Roguehorse> \o/
[03:19] <rww> elky: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/MeetingChecklist
[03:19] <elky> goddammit i request a deferral until the no-railroading thing is settled
[03:19] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/MeetingChecklist - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:19] <rww> oh, /op != /opup
[03:19] <rww> elky: there you go, now you can do all the checklist, glhf
[03:19] <elky> noooo
[03:20] <eps> Best. Meeting. Ever.
[03:21] <Roguehorse> Being a new guy you miss out on all the inside jokes - kinda sucks
[03:21] <rww> Roguehorse: there were no inside jokes, we're just a bit silly
[03:21] <rww> not usually that silly
[03:21] <nhaines> But it is a holiday after all.
[03:21] <Roguehorse> I had fun, glad I got to be here and not stuck in History homework
[03:22] <nhaines> Well that's definitely a plus.  :)
[03:22] <jyo> oh what fun you have on the IRC!
[03:22] <nhaines> rww: pleia2's going to have kittens when she sees the log.  :P
[03:22] <Roguehorse> Yes, a lively bunch : P
[03:22] <rww> nhaines: ikr
[03:23] <nhaines> Roguehorse: so how do you feel about the Discworld MUD?
[03:27] <Roguehorse> nhaines: I haven't had the chance to fire it up yet
[03:28] <Roguehorse> But, I've thought about writing something along the same context as a project so I was excited to see it in the repos
[03:29] <Roguehorse> When I was in JR High (before GUI times) all our games were text based
[03:29] <nhaines> I had plenty of graphical games but Rogue for PC captivated me.
[03:30] <nhaines> Half the reason I run Linux is so I could play nethack.  :P
[03:30] <Roguehorse> These are all text based?
[03:31] <Roguehorse> I'm still a table-top D&D guy (started in 1979)
[03:31] <nhaines> You've... never heard of Rogue or nethack?
[03:32] <Roguehorse> no - much of this is new to me
[03:35] <nhaines> Okay, well, 'sudo apt-get install nethack-console' and you're all set.
[03:35] <nhaines> And that's the last anyone ever heard of Roguehorse.  RIP in peace.
[03:35] <Roguehorse> I've only been on Linux since 2009 and most around me don't even use their computers to the degree I do
[03:36] <nhaines> Nethack basically looks like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetHack#mediaviewer/File:Nethack_releasing_a_djinni.png
[03:36] <darthrobot> Title: [NetHack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]
[03:36] <nhaines> It's a turn-based dungeon crawler.  Basically anything you can think of to do is in the game.
[03:37] <nhaines> It's a rogue-like game.  Procedurally generated, random seed every game.
[03:37] <Roguehorse> installing
[03:37] <nhaines> Fiendishly difficult.
[03:37] <nhaines> You'll probably like it.  :)
[03:37] <Roguehorse> LOL : )
[03:38] <nhaines> It's basically a procedural hero death simulator.
[03:38] <Roguehorse> Rogue-like has no meaning to me (unfrotunately)
[03:38] <Roguehorse> ok
[03:38] <nhaines> Roguehorse: that's why I mentioned it.  Context will soon fill in the rest.
[03:39] <jyo> if you want it in space then FTL. :)
[03:40] <Roguehorse> uncursed? Really? LOL
[03:40] <nhaines> Also a roguelike hero death simulator.
[03:40] <nhaines> Roguehorse: really  :)
[03:40] <Roguehorse> jyo: In space??
[03:42] <eps> That
[03:42] <eps> That's your next Ubuntu App: You are eaten by a grue ... in space
[03:43] <nhaines> FTL is another roguelike: http://www.ftlgame.com/
[03:43] <darthrobot> Title: [FTL: Faster Than Light]
[03:43] <nhaines> You can buy it from the Ubuntu Software Center or from Steam.
[03:43] <Roguehorse> hah. . so find the Amulet of Yendor huh?
[03:44] <nhaines> My favorite part was when they added another 20% of content to FTL and then just released it as an update free.  Also it's clear now I'll never beat the game.
[03:44] <nhaines> Roguehorse: Amulet of Yendor.  happy hunting.
[03:44] <Roguehorse> Hmm : P
[03:46] <eps> You want it, you know you want it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/GameNights
[03:46] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/GameNights - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:48] <Roguehorse> eps: I saw that a while back
[03:48] <Roguehorse> what's up with that?
[03:49] <eps> It was proposed; it's been languishing for years
[03:49] <Roguehorse> Yay - Roguehorse the Elven Ranger!
[03:49] <Roguehorse> Lets press it forward ... What's the idea?
[03:50] <Roguehorse> brb - bath time for my son
[04:03] <Roguehorse> k
[04:07] <nhaines> That was quick.  Did you dip him in en route to a towel?
[04:28] <pleia2> nhaines: thanks for chairing (I'm in Croatia this week, so the timing wasn't great, it's 6:30am here right now)
[04:28] <nhaines> pleia2: my pleasure!
[04:29] <DonkeyHotei> likely everyone there watching world cup
[04:30] <nhaines> pleia2: it *might* have gotten a little silly by the end.
[04:30] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: yeah, it's a big deal over here
[04:31] <DonkeyHotei> you should ask what's their world cup size