[06:51] <kbmonkey> morning
[07:04] <theblazehen> hey kbmonkey 
[07:06] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey and others
[07:10] <kbmonkey> hi theblazehen did your DNS update yet?
[07:10] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos a shame I could not play last night :'(
[07:10] <Kilos> yeah it gets very frustrating, i even died because of the lag
[07:11] <Kilos> hopped on a stone to watch lava and stone disappeared under me
[07:12] <Kilos> running mtr showed only one place where there was packet loss
[07:13] <kbmonkey> I am now on a public server, it is snowing here
[07:13] <Private_User> morning all
[07:13] <Private_User> morning Kilos, kbmonkey, theblazehen
[07:13] <Kilos> in the game or another one
[07:14] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[07:14] <kbmonkey> no problem with lag here Kilos 
[07:14] <kbmonkey> hello Private_User 
[07:14] <Kilos> tell me how to do it
[07:14] <Kilos> oh
[07:14] <Private_User> Maaz: coffe on
[07:14] <Maaz> Private_User: Sorry...
[07:14] <kbmonkey> no it is raining
[07:14] <kbmonkey> now
[07:14] <Private_User> Maaz: coffee on
[07:14]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:14] <Kilos> you mean another game host
[07:14] <kbmonkey> in-game
[07:15] <Kilos> explain in english man
[07:15] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:15] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[07:16] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee and make it quick!
[07:16] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[07:16] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ^^
[07:16] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee
[07:16] <Maaz> kbmonkey: coffee is liquid code
[07:16]  * kbmonkey slaps Maaz  with a smelly wet trout
[07:16] <Kilos> lol
[07:16] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee asseblief
[07:16] <Maaz> kbmonkey: *blink*
[07:16] <Kilos> not our game another one?????
[07:16] <kbmonkey> aish
[07:17] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please
[07:17] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sure
[07:17] <kbmonkey> he understands danie but not asseblief
[07:17] <kbmonkey> dankie
[07:17] <Kilos> Maaz, koffie asseblief
[07:17] <Maaz> Eish Kilos  Die engelse het tot ons boeretroos oorgeneem. Vra asseblief in engels.
[07:17] <kbmonkey> Sien!
[07:18] <Kilos> grrrrr
[07:18] <kbmonkey> how do we update Maaz's education?
[07:18] <kbmonkey> send him back to school
[07:18] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Private_User, Kilos and kbmonkey!
[07:18] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[07:18] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[07:18] <Private_User> Maaz: thank you
[07:18] <Maaz> Private_User: Sure
[07:19] <Kilos> what you wanna teach him
[07:19] <kbmonkey> Kilos, it is another game of a development server of one of the minetest forum people. I tried to see the speed. Our data will get eaten in one day here!
[07:19] <Kilos> coffee is fixed and you need to know python well to change it
[07:19] <Kilos> wow
[07:20] <Kilos> find a way to fix the flys man
[07:21] <Kilos> must be a bad part somewhere because at times its fast so somewhere in all the places it travels through there is one weak link
[07:21] <kbmonkey> I found it at http://minetest.net/servers
[07:22] <kbmonkey> well I find that your chats work fine, I see your bodies move fine too. just crafting and world updates
[07:22] <Kilos> no man i dont wanna start from scratch
[07:22] <kbmonkey> hey you said to tell you! ai make up your mind sir ;)
[07:22] <Kilos> at times my crafting is instant, others i wait 5 mins or so
[07:23] <Kilos> lol
[07:23] <Kilos> ya now you see that it should be fast so find whats slowing our one down
[07:23] <Kilos> i got bones to find
[07:24] <Kilos> does mtr mean something to you?
[07:24] <Kilos> mtr -i2 -s0 -n link
[07:28] <kbmonkey> I do not have mtr nor know what it does
[07:29] <Kilos> traceback runs from terminal
[07:29] <Kilos> see pm
[07:30] <kbmonkey> I made a video to time test. it took just under 100 seconds to craft an axe
[07:32] <Kilos> man on good days i craft things instantly
[07:32] <Kilos> there is one weak link in the trip to the uk
[07:39] <kbmonkey> Kilos, what do I look out for in mtr? I see one of the links has 40% loss
[07:39] <kbmonkey> that it?
[07:39] <Kilos> must be imo
[07:39] <kbmonkey> does the fly know of this?
[07:39] <Kilos> but we need pro to explain
[07:40] <Kilos> ?
[07:40] <kbmonkey> hmm yes.
[07:41] <kbmonkey> I go get coffee and put on washing
[07:41] <Kilos> ok
[07:41] <Kilos> haha pro will say man mtr
[07:44] <Kilos> 195.66.224.82 that one bad
[07:46] <Kilos> showed yesterday something.linode.something was the bad one
[07:46] <Kilos> mage noted it here too
[07:47] <Kilos> i go take sheep out
[07:52] <kbmonkey> that is the one Kilos nice catch
[07:53] <kbmonkey> the real sheep?
[07:53] <Kilos> well i dunno or what one can do about it
[07:53] <Kilos> ya the real ones
[07:53] <Kilos> haha
[07:53] <Kilos> will be interesting to trouble shoot the prob and then even better to find a solution
[07:54] <kbmonkey> I am running traceroute on the IP.
[07:54] <kbmonkey> see where it leads
[07:55] <Kilos> good
[07:55] <Kilos> with the fly and graeme and pro we will sort it im sure
[07:55] <Kilos> useless asking symmetria he has gone awol
[07:56] <kbmonkey> http://www.iplocation.net says it is a UK ISP exchange
[07:56] <Kilos> oi
[07:57] <kbmonkey> how much loss do you see Kilos ?
[07:57] <Kilos> find a local host for us 
[07:57] <Kilos> anything from 33% to 60% at times
[07:57] <kbmonkey> today I make parsnip soup
[07:58] <Kilos> haha i made veggie soup yesterday for today
[07:58] <kbmonkey> yesterday I made what they call Puli Milagai
[07:58] <Kilos> i use a large slow cooker to make it
[07:58] <kbmonkey> it is skinned chillies in tamarind sauce
[07:58] <Kilos> yum
[07:58] <Kilos> do you like lentils split peas and beans
[07:59] <Kilos> you can buy 4 in 1 soup mix
[07:59] <kbmonkey> split peas are good I made green split soup last week in pressure cooker
[07:59] <kbmonkey> ja
[07:59] <Kilos> ya they need to cook long otherwise
[08:00] <Kilos> so i make for next day and a couple after that. never ready on the first day
[08:00] <kbmonkey> it freeze well
[08:00] <kbmonkey> very good
[08:01] <Kilos> i also cut in lots of young garlics with the green tops cut up too, adds wonderful flavour
[08:01] <Kilos> and a tablespoon vinegar also adds to flavour
[08:03] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:03] <Kilos> idea
[08:04] <Kilos> if you wall through the middle of a dam , will the side away from source water dry up?
[08:04] <kbmonkey> hmm, explain? the middle of the wall on the side?
[08:05] <kbmonkey> the water will spill out
[08:05] <kbmonkey> hey you left the game? see I can't play since it is still loading since I logged in 
[08:05] <Kilos> i mean straight through the centre of the dam
[08:06] <kbmonkey> from the top?
[08:06] <Kilos> wow that is very slow, i log out when i go afk to save data
[08:06] <kbmonkey> oh you mean build a pipe through to the bottom of the dam?
[08:06] <Kilos> luckily ian gave more so last month ive been well off
[08:06] <kbmonkey> to move through?
[08:07] <kbmonkey> yes it will dry up. that how I built that underwater glass room
[08:07] <Kilos> not a pipe man a wall from bottom to above water
[08:07] <Kilos> aha
[08:07] <kbmonkey> built room under water and it dried up
[08:07] <kbmonkey> but only if the wall cuts off all the water sources
[08:07] <Kilos> so we can dry up there under the water and look for bones
[08:08] <kbmonkey> ha ha sounds like a crime investigation show
[08:08] <Kilos> i killed your waterfall there too
[08:08] <kbmonkey> "Let us trawl the river bed for them bones..."
[08:08] <Kilos> too much water no good
[08:08] <kbmonkey> my waterfall? I made no waterfall there
[08:09] <Kilos> was a big one between trees at the one edge of that water we are converting
[08:10] <Kilos> i cut trees and killed source
[08:10] <kbmonkey> oh ja I dont know who put that there
[08:10] <kbmonkey> I wanted to take it away last night but could not reach
[08:11] <Kilos> was a big job with the lag
[08:21] <kbmonkey> hmm I cant seem to drop stuff
[08:21] <kbmonkey> aah I changed drop to G to stop pushing it accidentally :)
[08:22] <kbmonkey> also I changed Inventory to TAB. much nicer than pressing i
[08:22] <kbmonkey> G is vir "gooi dit weg"
[08:30] <kbmonkey> it actually quicker for me to reconnect than wait for the lag he he
[08:50] <superfly> kbmonkey: good ideas on the keybindings
[08:50] <superfly> I also keep dropping stuff :-(
[08:51] <superfly> kbmonkey: also, things seemed to get better later last night
[08:51] <superfly> I made the waterfall on the tree :-)
[09:02] <kbmonkey> superfly, I also did the mtr trace, it does seem to lose packets at a certain point, about 40% loss
[09:02] <superfly> perhaps I should request they \move my vps
[09:02] <kbmonkey> it can't be a port that gets blocked otherwise all packets would fail right?
[09:02] <Kilos> that might do it superfly 
[09:03] <kbmonkey> I do a ping -i 10 to the server, to help me time delay
[09:04] <kbmonkey> 90 seconds about
[09:17] <Kilos> kbmonkey, superfly you guys froze now??
[09:18] <superfly> no, I had to deal with children
[09:18] <kbmonkey> no I went to get more coffee
[09:19] <kbmonkey> passive observer :)
[09:38] <kbmonkey> superfly, would it be worth trying run the server on another port?
[09:40] <kbmonkey> Kilos, here are your bones at -97 -79
[09:40] <kbmonkey> above the water
[09:58] <Kilos> kbmonkey, drop them there for me please im coming 
[10:03] <kbmonkey> Roger that Kilos 
[10:03] <Kilos> im right next to you kbmonkey 
[10:03] <kbmonkey> nope you are not
[10:04] <Kilos> you want me to hit you???
[10:04] <kbmonkey> I see you far away next to raoul
[10:04] <Kilos> im right by you
[10:07] <kbmonkey> Kilos, at the coords I gave 
[10:08] <kbmonkey> -97 -79
[10:32] <charl_> good afternoon
[10:32] <charl_> does anyone happen to have any experience with maas
[10:32] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[10:32] <charl_> am trying to install it but am getting postgres issues
[10:32] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[10:32]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[10:32] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[10:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please
[10:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Done
[10:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, make it a double
[10:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[10:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, espresso
[10:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[10:33] <charl_> hi kbmonkey 
[10:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, americano black please
[10:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: *blink*
[10:33] <charl_> bah americano :(
[10:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, make me a sandwich
[10:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: What? Make it yourself.
[10:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, sudo make me a sandwich
[10:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: sudo make me a sandwich is $nick is not in sudoers file. This incident will be ported.
[10:34] <charl_> lol i think you discovered a bug
[10:34] <charl_> $nick was supposed to be kbmonkey
[10:34] <charl_> Maaz: you are buggy
[10:34] <Maaz> charl_: I already know stuff about you
[10:34] <charl_> Maaz: are you threatening me now?
[10:34] <Maaz> charl_: What?
[10:34] <kbmonkey> and ported should be reported :)
[10:34] <charl_> Maaz: what you gonna blackmail me ?
[10:34] <Maaz> charl_: Sorry...
[10:34] <kbmonkey> http://xkcd.com/149/
[10:34] <charl_> you better be
[10:35] <charl_> kbmonkey: we used to have that one hang up here in the office
[10:36] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and kbmonkey!
[10:36] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[10:36] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[10:40] <superfly> kbmonkey: unlikely
[10:40] <charl_> hi superfly 
[10:42] <superfly> hi charl_
[12:03]  * Kilos happy like a pig in  ---. got 14.04 server and desktop dvd's
[12:03]  * Kilos swanks
[13:15] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[13:15] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos
[13:16] <Kilos> superfly, will a 40g drive handle server and game?
[13:16] <superfly> Kilos: if you want to play locally, just use the single player option
[13:16] <superfly> Kilos: but yes
[13:16] <superfly> hi Vince-0
[13:16] <Vince-0> surp superfly
[13:17] <Kilos> no superfly i want to setup a server here and learn how to let you connect to it
[13:17] <Kilos> in the game that is
[13:18] <Kilos> and ill need to document everything that needs to be done, cause its a new learning curve again
[13:19] <Kilos> i want to see how fast it will work without using another host
[13:22] <Kilos> if i can get the monkey to connect and game is fast for him then one of us can setup a local machine on an uncapped line just for that
[13:22] <Kilos> tell me if im mad
[13:22] <smile> hi guys :)
[13:22] <Kilos> hi smile
[13:23] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, put your thinking cap on so long
[13:24] <Kilos> im gonna get a dual core ready to take server
[13:29] <charl_> ubuntu cloud solutions are not so good
[13:29] <charl_> i am hitting the one problem after the other
[13:29] <charl_> openstack is also acting up
[13:29] <charl_> although it might be because i'm running it inside of vmware
[13:29] <charl_> juju is dark magic and doesn't seem to be working properly either
[13:29] <charl_> nah rather give me proxmox :P
[13:30] <Vince-0> me2, just moved and updated two vms
[13:30] <Vince-0> 3 commands each
[13:31] <Vince-0> charl_: docker + lxc ?
[13:31] <charl_> docker is really awesome indeed
[13:31] <Vince-0> proxmox has been around long enough to just work well at what it does
[13:31] <charl_> don't have much experience with lxc
[13:32] <charl_> only kvm/qemu
[13:32] <Vince-0> lxc is like openvz containers but with cgroups
[13:32] <Vince-0> vcztl is trying to catch up as lxc tool
[13:33] <Vince-0> but no mainstream kernel for vz soo, 
[13:34] <charl_> interesting
[13:34] <charl_> need to spend some time with it
[13:35] <Vince-0> other platform to look at is oVirt
[13:36] <Vince-0> similar to prox
[13:38] <charl_> i have taken a look at ovirt indeed
[13:39] <charl_> but it looks immature ?
[13:39] <Vince-0> I guess, it's been around for at least 4 years
[13:39] <Vince-0> so it's coming time 
[13:40] <charl_> hmmm doesn't seem to be too much traction around that project
[13:40] <charl_> i have looked at it a long time ago but you don't often hear of it
[13:40] <charl_> i try to go with the more mainstream tools as far as possible
[13:40] <charl_> better support and community
[13:44] <Vince-0> like?
[13:45] <charl_> openstack is supposed to be all the rage right now
[13:46] <Vince-0> meh
[13:46] <Vince-0> I went to a RH presentation last october, the AWS sales guys kept poking holes
[13:46] <Vince-0> its overkill compared to prox
[13:47] <Vince-0> "cattle vs pets"
[13:52] <charl_> yeah i don't like those heavyweight solutions
[13:52] <charl_> just to get openstack installed takes forever on a VM
[13:52] <charl_> but i can't really run a virtualisation environment inside another virtualisation environment
[13:53] <charl_> vmware doesn't allow a guest to also perform hardware virtualisation and place the nic in promiscuous mode
[13:53] <charl_> *promiscuous
[14:10] <Trixar_za> oh god
[14:10] <Trixar_za> An Afrikaans version of Gangnum style
[14:12] <charl_> links !!!
[14:12] <charl_> i want ze url !
[14:17] <superfly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07VbINyQ7Gw
[14:19] <charl_> i thought the dutch version is cringeworthy but this is much worse
[14:25] <Trixar_za> Congratulations superfly, you found one worse than what I saw
[15:02] <superfly> Trixar_za: never underestimate the power of YouTube
[16:02] <theblazehen> Anyone here run mail servers?
[16:03] <theblazehen> I need some help with receiving mail
[16:22] <Kilos> maybe the fly theblazehen 
[16:23] <theblazehen> ty Kilos 
[16:23] <theblazehen> superfly: ping
[16:23] <Kilos> hey charl_ what about you
[16:23] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[16:23] <psychicist> hi theblazehen 
[16:23] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[16:23] <theblazehen> hey psychicist 
[16:24] <Trixar_za> High unfounded medical evidence based drug dealer
[16:24] <Trixar_za> Hi*
[16:24] <theblazehen> hi
[16:25] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[16:25] <Trixar_za> I generally don't like psychiatrists :P
[16:26] <psychicist> hi Trixar_za 
[16:26] <psychicist> I am not a real one :D
[16:26] <Trixar_za> The whole 'chemically unbalanced' bull they sell is scientifically unfounded. In fact, they have no idea why some drugs work and generally anti-depressants actually makes a person more depressed and suicidal.
[16:27] <Trixar_za> It actually made my panic attacks worse. The moment I got angry and took myself off it, they went from 10 to a 1.
[16:27] <Trixar_za> So I have trust issues for real ones
[16:27] <Trixar_za> :P
[16:30] <Trixar_za> (Ironically, my sister is a genetic councilor, which makes her partly one.)
[16:33] <Kilos> imo them okes just let you answer questions till you sort what your prob is. they point you in the right direction to find your hangups
[16:34] <Kilos> so you heal yourself just one often overlooks your own mistakes
[16:40] <Kilos> spinza, hello
[16:41] <Kilos> you okes that run irc in the background with sdound alerts turned off
[16:43] <Kilos> sound
[16:44]  * theblazehen does that...
[16:44] <Kilos> Trixar_za, tell me about dcc
[16:44] <Kilos> is it only for direct chatting and file transfer
[16:45] <Kilos> anyone else that knows may answer
[16:45] <theblazehen> Kilos: yeah
[17:29] <Kilos> 195.66.224.82                    39.9%
[17:29] <Kilos> superfly, fire them
[17:31] <superfly> heh
[17:31] <superfly> theblazehen: PONG
[17:32] <Kilos> lol
[17:33] <Kilos> yay schumacher not inna induced coma anymore
[17:35] <superfly> Oops, looks like caps lock was on... Thank you children
[17:36] <Kilos> lol
[17:38] <Kilos> Maaz, tell inetpro Wen jy darem met die krag probleme oompie
[17:38] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell inetpro on freenode
[18:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[18:24] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy come see dam
[18:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> where is it?
[18:25] <theblazehen> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[18:25] <Kilos> by the deep i think
[18:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi theblazehen
[18:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i'll be on shortly
[18:34] <smile> see ya :p
[19:08] <Trixar_za> Kilos: Like the name says, it's a direct connection between two IRC clients. Mostly for Chatting in private or sending files. It's more secure because it doesn't go through the server, so man in the middle attacks probably won't work.
[19:09] <Kilos> ty was wondering if one could use it to play a game on the other pc
[19:11] <kbmonkey> just pointing out that irc clients/protocol is clear-text, so unless you tunnel it via ssh the man in the middle can still see. :)
[19:11] <Kilos> oi
[19:11] <Trixar_za> Only if it's served by an IRC client as such. All-out-war is (and used to be - depending on where you look for it) such a game :P
[19:12] <Kilos> i was wondering if we could run a game on a server pc and play from others that way
[19:12] <Trixar_za> Only if they compromise either of the two systems - but if you're there anyway, then reading the client's text isn't rocket science. DCC just prevents that a compromised IRC Server can be used in such a way :P
[19:17] <Trixar_za> [21:15:12][Trixar_za] Kilos: I'm not sure it could work like that unless it rewrote how the client deals with DCC Chat
[19:18] <Trixar_za> [21:15:23][Trixar_za] I have seen CTCP used in such a way though
[19:18] <Kilos> ah
[19:18] <Kilos> ty
[19:18] <Trixar_za> http://www.cs.uml.edu/~adufilie/tanks.html
[19:19] <Trixar_za> Aforementioned CTCP game
[19:19] <Trixar_za> :P
[19:19] <Kilos> i just looking for a way around having to use a host that has lag probs
[19:20] <Kilos> mainly for interests sake
[19:21] <Trixar_za> Even with DCC, you'll still have some lag - normally the lag between the two clients. It may be less than a server, but not always.
[19:21] <kbmonkey> relating to minetest Kilos ? ;)
[19:21] <Kilos> yessir kbmonkey but its much better tonight
[19:21] <kbmonkey> irc is responsive because it is really very little information
[19:21] <Kilos> and this avy was very fast
[19:22] <Kilos> was crafting instantly
[19:22] <kbmonkey> the minetest server sends block data in 30x30x30 sections for world updates
[19:22] <Kilos> kbmonkey, come see the dam near the deep
[19:22] <kbmonkey> combined with other users moving around, 
[19:23] <kbmonkey> ya okay :_)
[19:23] <kbmonkey> ooops
[19:23] <Kilos> major engineering exercise
[19:23] <Trixar_za> MineTest needs a lot of optimizing on the server that's for sure
[19:24] <kbmonkey> ah yes I died last time kilos. twice. lag drowned me.
[19:25] <Kilos> dont swim here walk along the tracks if you lagging
[19:26] <Trixar_za> Freeminer has some fixes to the server to make it faster, but it's not as easy to get working like MineTest
[19:26] <Trixar_za> http://freeminer.org/
[19:27] <Trixar_za> There's also Carbone (also a MineTest fork), but it suffers from the same problem than Freeminer
[20:00] <kbmonkey> superfly, mtr is a gui tracert the pro suggested to show packet loss. `mtr -i2 -s0 -n minetest.snyman.info`.
[20:00] <kbmonkey> shows 40% loss at one of the linked servers
[21:41] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight