[00:01] <Juju> Loshki» this web doesn't charge
[00:01] <Juju> oh
[00:01] <Juju> it finished.. i am going to read it
[00:02] <orbitaldecay> If anyone is interested in helping me test an IRC pvp bot I wrote in python, jump in #fightbot
[00:02] <Juju> Loshki» yes, this information is the same i can read when i try to use the terminal program
[00:03] <Juju> #fightbot
[00:03] <Juju> orbitaldecay» it says: #fightbot Cannot send to channel
[00:04] <orbitaldecay> Juju: My bad, I'm going to set up a different room
[00:04] <Juju> ok
[00:04] <orbitaldecay> Ok, #fightbot2
[00:15] <herbally> hello all, my system is very freshly installed. today it happened 3 times that when I selected it in grub (I have another OS on device) it went into recovery menu, where I selected normal boot, which then ended up with an altered desktop (what I noticed were bigger launcher icons). at the last time recovery menu appeared I selected 'repair broken'..though during desktop sessions everything ran without any error messages.
[00:17] <herbally> so now I first had a screen that says 'Continuing will remount your / filesystem..' and under it a command line with fsck..and for a minute now the screen went blank with backlight
[00:18] <herbally> should I presume all is ok?
[00:19] <jellow> herbally, you quit fsck from recovery menu through ctrl-alt backspace
[00:19] <herbally> jellow, it didnt work
[00:20] <herbally> jellow, but ctrl+alt+del now did.. it is rebooting
[00:20] <herbally> it went into recovery menu again
[00:21] <jellow> herbally, try fsck again it should report everything is fine.
[00:22] <herbally> jellow, you mean this one, right:  fsck :  check all file systems ?
[00:23] <jellow> herbally, yes
[00:23] <kenj> anybody alive?
[00:23] <Snickerz> nope
[00:24] <herbally> jellow, same screen as a minute ago, so I should wait while it is checking file systems, and then it detects any broken?
[00:24] <kenj> Installed lubuntu on an old Gateway laptop and after a couple days of tinkering, everything is working except for suspend.
[00:24] <kenj> The drive sda disappears and ext4fs freaks out.
[00:25] <jellow> herbally, yes give it a little while,  You do not have network shares in fstab do you?
[00:26] <jellow> fsck in recovery mode tries to mount everything in fstab if it is unreachable then it will get stuck.
[00:26] <fizy[laptop]> is it possible and/or advisable to connect a harddrive via SATA while the system is running?
[00:27] <herbally> jellow, no
[00:27] <kenj> fizy yes. SATA is hot pluggable.
[00:27] <herbally> jellow, I mean, I dont know what you mean, but did nothing with fstab
[00:27] <kenj> fizy just not your boot drive
[00:28] <kenj> fizy make sure you sync and unmount before unplugging too
[00:29] <fizy[laptop]> kenj really? i heard that would cause a kernel panic. im asking because my system wont boot with my primary drive connected (the power surged and now it clicks). i want to boot via cd and hot plug it and see if i can get ANYTHING from like gparted or something
[00:31] <histo> Anyone mind testing a bug with dc3dd?
[00:31] <kenj> fizy you shouldn't need to hotplug in that case. on bootup, hit the F[something key] to select boot options. Select CD/DVD and boot.
[00:31] <fizy[laptop]> kenj i know, but it cant get past POST. it hangs on "auto detecting SATA #1"
[00:32] <amzolt> Anyone know how to fix KDE's Kontact when it crashes when trying to configure it?
[00:33] <kenj> fizy: Sounds like you're kind of screwed then. You can try hot plug but if doesn't enumerate via BIOS, it is not likely to be detected during hotplu.
[00:35] <fizy[laptop]> kenj i know im kind of screwed. i was just hoping that gparted or dd could give me something. i know its a long shot
[00:39] <Joe_knock> Hello
[00:40] <Joe_knock> I ran this command while I am SSH from 1 linux PC to another: sudo mv *.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/ , how do I then upgrade my packages after this?
[00:42] <zykotick9> Joe_knock: do you mean ubuntu-version upgrade?  regular upgrade would be, "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrace"
[00:42] <zykotick9> s/upgrace/upgrade/
[00:43] <Joe_knock> is it: sudo apt-get install update or just sudo apt-get update? I am on 12.04 LTS
[00:43] <zykotick9> Joe_knock: "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" as i said before...
[00:43] <histo> Joe_knock: update just receives a list of packages from the server
[00:44] <histo> Joe_knock: ugprade actually upgrades the packages.
[00:44] <knkop> l
[00:44] <Joe_knock> From the last time I was here, it was explained that the above command (sudo mv *.deb) would move cached updated copies from the updated machine to the machine requiring updates.
[00:44] <zykotick9> Joe_knock: fyi, dist-upgrade means "full-upgrade" BTW.
[00:44] <Joe_knock> histo: based on the fact that I've moved upgraded .deb files to the older machine, do I need to run update first before upgrade?
[00:45] <histo> Joe_knock: Why are you trying to upgrade in this manner?
[00:46] <Joe_knock> histo: upgrades take long, so I am attempting to simply push cached copies from the updated machine to the older machine and letting these updates happen in 2/3 minutes
[00:46] <kenj> he's probably trying to avoid the double download
[00:46] <Joe_knock> kenj: Correct!
[00:46] <zykotick9> apt-cacher-ng FTW ;)
[00:47] <kenj> you can set up a machine to cache the files and problem solved.
[00:47] <histo> Joe_knock: then upgrade or dist-upgrade is what you want
[00:47] <Corvette> When I Log into Unity, the screen configuration is correct. But when I log into Gnome, it isn't. Can someone tell me how to fix this
[00:48] <histo> Corvette: what do you mean by screen configuration?
[00:48] <Corvette> the arrangement
[00:48] <Corvette> of monitors
[00:48] <Joe_knock> histo, kenj: I've gotten as far as successfully sudo mv *.deb , but when I run sudo apt-get install upgrade from a new terminal, I get: E: Unable to locate package upgrade
[00:49] <histo> Joe_knock: sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:49] <Joe_knock> aah apart from the google plugin, success!!! :D
[00:50] <zykotick9> Joe_knock: that's because it's NOT, "apt-get install upgrade", it's just "sudo apt-get upgrade", but again, i'd use dist-upgrade if you want to upgrade everything (kernel included)
[00:50] <knkop> jellow, sorry, I was disconnected..we just talked about fsck running in recovery mode..it is still continuing..should I better leave it running and go to bed? :)
[00:50] <Joe_knock> zykotick9: Both machines run 12.04 LTS, so a full upgrade won't help.
[00:51] <zykotick9> Joe_knock: well, good luck with whatever-it-is you're doing... i obviously don't understand
[00:52] <kenj> zyk: he's not upgrading his distro from X to Y
[00:52] <jellow> knkop, how long has it been running and how large is your partition/s ?
[00:52] <zykotick9> !dist-upgrade | kenj
[00:52] <kenj> zyk: he wants to upgrade his distro from X.0 to X.1
[00:52] <zykotick9> !tab | kenj
[00:53] <knkop> jellow, if it's not checking the whole disk, but only the partition, then 100GB, and it's been over 15 min.
[00:53] <knkop> I think
[00:53] <Joe_knock> I don't understand why it is downloading the stuff :-/
[00:54] <jellow> knkop, should not take too long to complete if you can leave it an hour or so , all night is probably excessive hah
[00:55] <daftykins> Joe_knock: i use the exact method you describe to update two VMs, i first scp the .deb's from the source (first downloader) to the target's home, then SSH into there and move them into /var/cache/apt/archives/
[00:55] <Joe_knock> daftykins: I am following your instructions from previously :D
[00:55] <daftykins> Joe_knock: on a run of my favourite "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" i see a download size of 0B/$total
[00:56] <daftykins> oh no! not past daftykins D:
[00:56] <knkop> jellow, thank you, I have an idea now :)
[00:57] <Joe_knock> daftykins: I am attempting the sudo mv *.deb command, what type of output should I expect?
[00:59] <daftykins> Joe_knock: so the destination system that has had the .deb's transferred to /home/username/ would run "sudo mv ~/*.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/" which would complete without output, then running the above update and dist-upgrade would function perfectly
[00:59] <Joe_knock> daftykins: So I needed to run update as well!!
[01:01] <daftykins> Joe_knock: yes indeed, because without updated package lists, your destination system doesn't know that the new versions placed in .../archives/ are relevant :)
[01:01] <dv310p3r> I'm running Ubuntu in Virtualbox and I'm trying to make it my primary OS. I've got my Mac home directory shared to the ubuntu guest. I'd like to turn that folder into my ubuntu home directory. How can I do that. The shared folder is in /media/sf_myusername/
[01:02] <Joe_knock> sudo mv ~/*.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/ is different to your previous command, which was: sudo mv *.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/
[01:02] <cfhowlett> dv310p3r primary OS?  you should investigate dual booting
[01:02] <cfhowlett> !dualboot
[01:02] <daftykins> Joe_knock: all it does is use an absolutely instead of relative path
[01:02] <daftykins> dv310p3r: macs can run ubuntu. why not install it natively instead of virtualising?
[01:02] <dv310p3r> cfhowlett, I've been on that mission for a few days now, dual booting isn't the way to go for me just yet.
[01:03] <Joe_knock> so if I say: sudo mv ~/install_files/*.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/, will this work too?
[01:03] <Joe_knock> daftykins: ^^
[01:03] <cfhowlett> dv310p3r noted
[01:03] <tomengland> is there any benefit to updating the kernel to 3.15
[01:03] <tomengland> on 14.04
[01:04] <dv310p3r> cfhowlett, daftykins so any ideas?
[01:04] <tomengland> only benefit i could see is to get access to the iwlwifi 7260.9
[01:04] <zykotick9> tomengland: do you have some brand new hardware that's currently unsupported by the default kerenel?  if so, then possibly - if not, probably not.
[01:04] <Joe_knock> dv310p3r: Wubi is your next best option if you dont want a dualboot.
[01:05] <daftykins> Joe_knock: if they're in that folder, yes
[01:05] <zykotick9> Joe_knock: wubi isn't a good suggestion...
[01:05] <cfhowlett> dv310p3r you're going to find it near impossible to make your VBox OS your PRIMARY os, as vbox always relies on the host OS to boot.  In your case, no OSX = no Vbox.  thus my suggestion to vbox.  and wubi doesn't like OSX, nor is it supported any more
[01:05] <daftykins> Joe_knock: yeah we don't talk of WUBI these days, it's akin to computer suicide
[01:05] <cfhowlett> dv310p3r "suggestion to dualboot"
[01:05] <tomengland> zykotick9: true, no not really.
[01:06] <dv310p3r> cfhowlett, I appreciate the advise, I really would just like to know if what I asked is possible / how can I do it?
[01:06] <cfhowlett> dv310p3r the way you've described it?  VBox ubuntu = primary OS?  nope
[01:06] <Joe_knock> daftykins: wait, I am unclear about the actual command now. The first part of: *.deb is the host part, right? Then /var/cache/apt/archives/ is my destination folder?
[01:07] <dv310p3r> Really just need to know how I can make the shared folder in /media/sf_username/ my ubuntu home directory
[01:08] <cfhowlett> dv310p3r reasonably sure that's possible, but I've not yet played on a Mac.
[01:08] <Joe_knock> daftykins: I know wubi isn't a great option, but it is convenient for the OP. then again, cfhowlett has indicated that macs dont play nice with wubi
[01:08] <zykotick9> !movehome | dv310p3r
[01:08] <dv310p3r> Doesn't need to be done on the mac, I'd need to do it in Ubuntu.
[01:09] <daftykins> Joe_knock: indeed they do not, but we frown upon WUBI 100% as it's just such a nightmare to assist with when things go wrong... and boy do they go wrong :)
[01:09] <daftykins> Joe_knock: it's a two step process. have you used scp on the command line much before?
[01:09] <jo-erlend> dv310p3r, usermod dv310p3r -d /media/sf_username, I think.
[01:09] <cfhowlett> dv310p3r see the !home factoid above
[01:09] <jo-erlend> dv310p3r, where dv310p3r obviously is your username.
[01:10] <Joe_knock> daftykins: This is my original SCP command on the updated machine: sudo scp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb client@hostname:. (something tells me that "." after the ":" is where I went wrong)
[01:10] <jo-erlend> dv310p3r, test on a new user to make sure.
[01:10] <kenj> dv3 edit your fstab and mount it there.
[01:11] <dv310p3r> jo-erlend, thanks.
[01:11] <daftykins> Joe_knock: hang on PM me, it's tough to talk about this one with channel movement
[01:11] <kenj> dv310p3r: I usually just mount it in a sub under my user home.
[01:11] <cfhowlett> dv310p3r personally, I wouldn't let my vbox files touch my host OS, but that's just me   :)
[01:11] <dv310p3r> kenj, actually, that's a good idea.
[01:12] <Joe_knock> dv310p3r: Another option is "boot from USB", but for that too, it isn't meant for a perpetual linux install
[01:14] <jo-erlend> dv310p3r, it is also possible to use a physical disk as backing for a VM if you want something between dualboot and VM. But you have to be really careful if you do that so that you're not using the disk from both the host and guest at the same time.
[01:15] <jo-erlend> dv310p3r, for instance, I have a dualboot setup with Windows and Ubuntu and while running Windows, I can boot my Ubuntu install as a VM and then later reboot to the Ubuntu install in order to get the native experience.
[01:15] <jo-erlend> ... but as I said, you have to be really careful when you do that.
[01:16] <JimJones> could someone help to compile a custom header on gcc?
[01:17] <JimJones> i have the header.h in the same folder
[01:17] <JimJones> Projeto.l:5:25: fatal error: Projeto.tab.h: No such file or directory
[01:17] <JimJones>   #include "constantes.h"
[01:18] <rettop> hi
[01:18] <mojtaba> Is there anyone here who could tell me why should I use screen command when I could create new terminals in different tabs in ubuntu?
[01:18] <rettop> I'm on 12.04 LTS. Just opened my computer and my mouse is clicking things automatically just by hovering over them
[01:18] <Joe_knock> dv310p3r: As explained previously by some of the folks here. You can make 2 OSes live on 2 different hard-disks, but you need "grub" to be on the main OS, or something complicated like that.
[01:19] <rettop> and whatever gets selected , the system will open that up repeatedly. (hundreds, it seems)
[01:19] <rettop> I unplugged my mouse, keyboard, and put in a new wired mouse, and it does the same thing
[01:19] <rettop> i cant' click anything properly
[01:20] <dwxreaper> mojtaba: you could use screen so someone remotely could see what you type on the terminal
[01:20] <dwxreaper> or tmux
[01:20] <wheatthin> mojtaba, screen is used in situations where you need to switch to a different workstation and need to easily bring a background process to the foreground
[01:20] <zykotick9> mojtaba: sidenote, personally i'd use tmux over screen, but YMMV
[01:21] <dv310p3r> Joe_knock, Thanks, to all those who really want me to dual boot. I spent two days trying. Between, refit, refind, EFI booting, GPT vs MBR, etc... I wanted to blow my head off. After finally getting 14.04 installed (after failing to get 12.04 installed) it was way to buggy on my Mac 9,1. There is little to no specifics about this model.
[01:21] <mojtaba> wheatthin: You mean I have initiated a terminal in one computer and then I can have it in another computer?
[01:21] <mojtaba> zykotick9: what is the difference?
[01:22] <zykotick9> mojtaba: don't worry about it, screen is fine :)
[01:22] <somsip> mojtaba: connect to server, start tmux, start long running process, disconnect. Connect later, reconnect to tmux, make sure process has completed. Rinse and repeat
[01:22] <dv310p3r> So, I finally gave up. Decided my next best solution would be to give 8 gbs and 4 processes of my laptop to the VM and see how that works till I can get rid of my SHITTY mac.
[01:22] <Joe_knock> dv310p3r: I feel your pain. Feel free to keep asking, as we'll all chip in to help you.
[01:22] <dv310p3r> Joe_knock, thanks.
[01:22] <kenj> dv310p3r: What's wrong with your OS X out of curiousity?
[01:23] <somsip> !ot | kenj
[01:23] <Joe_knock> dv310p3r: How much RAM are you using? :O
[01:23] <rettop> i think it might be hoverclick that turned on, but how can i turn it off without the ability to click anything???
[01:24] <rettop> and it doesn't happen at login, only afterwards
[01:24] <rettop> so it's something ubuntu-related
[01:25] <daftykins> dv310p3r: silly question, but you were using the ISO with "mac" in the name, yeah?
[01:26] <dv310p3r> daftykins, yes
[01:27] <dv310p3r> kenj, I HATE OSX!
[01:27] <rettop> anyone have any idea what's going on?
[01:28] <rettop> if i click something, whatever is clicked stays selected and ubuntu keeps trying to open it
[01:28] <ethanh> I have accidentally removed a partition with (parted) rm #. can anyone help me to restore my partition table?
[01:28] <dv310p3r> kenj, I'm a web dev, and for the last year i've been in management. Need to get back to developing. Anyways, was using a mac, but before that when I was developing I always used linux, just lost my touch this last year and hafl
[01:28] <dv310p3r> Joe_knock, got 16 total, giving 8 to the VM.
[01:28] <Joe_knock> dv310p3r: How is that a shitty Mac? I live on 1GB :-/ :-/
[01:28] <histo> rettop: the disability menu at the login screen maybe?
[01:29] <dv310p3r> Joe_knock, LOL. I guess it's all relative.
[01:29] <rettop> histo, what about it?
[01:29] <Joe_knock> with 8GB of RAM, the vbox VM could run smoothly
[01:29] <dv310p3r> Joe_knock, I just love the flexibility and ease of a PC. I can run Linux without any issues.
[01:29] <dv310p3r> Joe_knock, it is.
[01:30] <kenj> weird how Firefox is faster than chromium on Lubuntu.
[01:30] <Joe_knock> kenj: Opening up more than 5 tabs on chromium causes havoc on my system.
[01:31] <kenj> Yeah. It's weird. I prefer chrome on every other platform.
[01:31] <histo> rettop: see if there is something turned on in there regarding mouse
[01:32] <rettop> histo, will do
[01:33] <rettop> histo, doesn't look like it
[01:33] <rettop> histo, i actually can't even use my computer , i'm losing my mind
[01:34] <histo> rettop: what were you doing before this all happened?
[01:35] <rettop> nothing, i think
[01:35] <rettop> histo, i'm one of those install - and don't change anything for 5 years kind of user
[01:35] <rettop> histo, like, until i get a stable system. then i just don't change a bloody thing. this happened on its own
[01:35] <histo> rettop: is the mouse possibly going bad?
[01:35] <rettop> histo, i changed it
[01:36] <histo> rettop: what is the behavior it's doing?
[01:36] <jwcalderon> hi everybody
[01:36] <jwcalderon> i had a question about Ubuntu 14.04 and a web camera logitech C920
[01:36] <rettop> histo, right now, i'm at the login screen and the mouse is fine
[01:36] <rettop> histo, i'm using the onscreen keyboard to type in my password and it clicks properly
[01:37] <jwcalderon> it's possible to get help ?
[01:37] <tomengland> how do i make an app only open in x workspace?
[01:37] <tomengland> and not the workspace i'm currently in
[01:38] <rettop> histo, just changed mice again and it works
[01:38] <rettop> histo, i don't even think it's a mouse issue man. could it be a motherboard issue?
[01:39] <histo> rettop: that's odd.
[01:39] <kenj> What kind of mouse? USB?
[01:39] <Snickerz> tomengland: you can use CompizConfig Settings
[01:40] <Snickerz> under window management
[01:40] <rettop> kenj, just tried a wireless USB and a wired USB
[01:40] <kenj> rettop: If you suspect mb. Plus into a different port like the front vs the back, etc. Doesn't sound like it, though.
[01:40] <kenj> plug*
[01:40] <rettop> this is nuts
[01:40] <kenj> Sounds like a software issue tbh.
[01:41] <tomengland> hmm i don't see that application Snickerz
[01:41] <Snickerz> search for it in software center
[01:41] <zykotick9> !ccsm | tomengland
[01:42] <tomengland> ty
[01:44] <rettop> fuck me
[01:45] <rettop> anyway, thanks guys. this is ridiculous
[01:47] <The_Help> Someone
[02:02] <knoppix> nvidea
[02:22] <texla> hi
[02:22] <daftykins> hi
[02:24] <texla> Try to add themes to unity- tweak-tool.ask ubuntu only has answers on my unity in 12.04
[02:25] <Snickerz> exit
[02:27] <Beldar> texla, that app was not in 12.04, try this. http://askubuntu.com/search?q=unity-tweak-tool+14.04
[02:28] <Beldar> texla, 14.04 is what you're running?
[02:31] <texla> Beldar, Yes a new full install of 14.04..that article in ask ubuntu I had already seen does not apply
[02:36] <Beldar> texla, As of yet you have not given any actual description so all we can do is guess.
[02:37] <Beldar> and that was not an article but a page relating to the tool and 14.04
[02:40] <Beldar> !unity-tweak-tool
[02:40] <texla> Beldar, I want to add themes to the appearance catagory in settings or to themes in unity-tweaks-tools I have downloaded from synaptic gtk2-engines-cleanice ..nothing happens no changes
[02:41] <zykotick9> !info unity-tweak-tool
[02:42] <trism> texla: and engine is not a theme, themes use engines
[02:43] <texla> trism, Okay that answers the engine use
[02:56] <basketball> ActionParsnip, can you help me with the printer sharing
[03:09] <Beldar> So what is the cd to this external HD to rm a .trash /media/bubba/seagate  will not delete normally had a freeze while running a delete on the external
[03:09] <Beldar> or just the straight rm I have the HD mirrored
[03:10] <kenn1> Man. This suspend problem is kicking my ass.
[03:21] <asduf> My mom accidentally unplugged my desktop while I was resizing my Windows partition with GParted. Now I can't boot Windows anymore. Is there any way I can recover the data?
[03:22] <psusi> asduf, nope
[03:23] <nell> im installing kde on ubuntu studio
[03:23] <nell> is it kubuntu-desktop i install?
[03:25] <Bashing-om> nell: Yepper : kubuntu-desktop - Kubuntu Plasma Desktop/Netbook system .
[03:26] <tomengland> does anyone know why my cursor is stuck in the character insert, I can't click anything at all
[03:27] <tomengland> is there a way to "reset" unity, like resetting explorer on windows or finder on mac
[03:27] <tomengland> via terminal
[03:30] <redGod> is there a way to make customized install disk on windows the only stuff I find when I search on google is for doing it on ubuntu itself4
[03:33] <Bashing-om> tomengland: -> setsid unity <- to reset unity.
[03:36] <Paulus68> Goodmorning when I logged on to my system this morning I just get my desktop without any icons and stuff, when I logged on the guest session I got the message that my root is running low on diskspace how do I resolve this?
[03:39] <Bashing-om> Paulus68: Go hunting up what is consuming the disk space -> df -h , df -i , cd / , sudo du -sx * | sort -n , dpkg -l | grep linux-image .
[03:40] <Paulus68> Bashing-om: how do I get into terminal from logon screen?
[03:40] <The0x539> Any way I could switch my lubuntu install from 32 to 64 with a couple conmands?
[03:40] <Bashing-om> Paulus68: try @ login screen the key combo ctl+alt+F! .
[03:41] <zykotick9> The0x539: reinstall
[03:41] <Paulus68> Bashing-om: ctrl alt F1 I presume
[03:41] <Bashing-om> The0x539: Nope, to go to 64 bit, ya got to install as 64 bit.
[03:41] <The0x539> zykotick9: I ran out of install media
[03:41] <zykotick9> The0x539: then stick to 32bit...
[03:42] <Bashing-om> Paulus68: Yeah, hold all three to effect.
[03:42] <The0x539> So you can switch distros with some repo tweaking, but not versions?
[03:43] <Paulus68> Bashing-om: can it be that dropbox is causing the problem? I uploaded 3 files not more then 100 mb last night before going to bed and this morning I couldn't logon?
[03:43] <zykotick9> The0x539: switching distros?  that would be crazyness...
[03:43] <mud_bat> I have a computer running Ubuntu I think it's version 13.10.  The wifi was disconnecting every minute or so and to get it to reconnect, I would have to uncheck "enable wifi" and recheck it.  I'm trying to gather information but don't know what log files to read.
[03:43] <The0x539> zykotick9: perfectly achievable craziness
[03:43] <zykotick9> The0x539: from what to what?
[03:44] <Bashing-om> Paulus68: Do not guess .. look ! -  with the terminal commands provided.
[03:44] <The0x539> zykotick9: arbitrary I'd think
[03:44] <zykotick9> The0x539: you can't switch distros, you can't switch architectures...
[03:46]  * zykotick9 suspects you could debootstrap a different distro... but that's hardly "normal" install
[03:46] <jschall> on 14.04: indicator-sound spontaneously crashed. rebooting doesn't help. I get these errors: http://pastebin.com/q7G9Fb27
[03:46] <Bashing-om> Paulus68: If ya need help reading those outputs !pastebinit .
[03:46] <Paulus68> Bashing-om: ok second thing is that I can't even reach that machine over the network is that normal? I'm at work now and can't get a hold of my machine
[03:46]  * PrivateMethod waves
[03:48] <The0x539> zykotick9: When you finish, what's abnormal?
[03:48] <PrivateMethod> Does anyone have experience with Chrome in kiosk mode?
[03:48] <Bashing-om> Paulus68: No that is not normal. guess ya will have to be there phyically - see if the system has crashed (??).
[03:48]  * The0x539 revulses
[03:48] <remuxa> hello everyone! (just checking since it seemed no one was on last time)
[03:49] <Paulus68> Bashing-om: even rebooting system doesn't solve that problem tried that before going to work
[03:49] <remuxa> i'm installing ubuntu using the minimal cd (space constraints on my pc)
[03:49] <remuxa> when i hit 'select and install components', a box is supposed to pop up with options
[03:50] <remuxa> such as "Lubuntu desktop", "DNS server", "FTP server", etc.
[03:50] <Bashing-om> Paulus68: In that case, we may have to boot to terminal via the grub boot menu, and see about getting an idea of what is not taking place and why.
[03:50] <remuxa> this doesn't appear at all when I use it: it just sets up the barebones
[03:50] <Paulus68> Bashing-om: or booting through a live cd I presume?
[03:51] <remuxa> is this a problem with the cd itself? or do i have to select any particular options?
[03:51] <remuxa> someone who has worked with the ubuntu installer, please help!
[03:52] <Bashing-om> Paulus68: One can, but Should not be that extreme at this point.
[03:53] <Paulus68> Bashing-om: I know I have some large files on my disk so I could delete those through terminal just find it weird that I haven't been notified that I was running out of diskspace
[03:56] <mud_bat> which log file would contain information on wifi failures?
[03:56] <krono23> hola
[03:56] <krono23> español?
[03:56] <Paulus68> !es |lrono23
[03:57] <krono23> gracias
[03:57] <tom__v> I just upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04.. not as smooth as I hoped, and eventually, I just had to do a clean 14.04 install.  But nwo dejabackup is not working to restore my files..
[03:57] <tom__v> I get a permission denied errory, but no details.
[03:57] <fernando__> hola
[03:58] <Bashing-om> remuxa: see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall <-.
[03:58] <tom__v> by dejabackup is encrypted... but I don't get any prompt to decrypt.
[03:59] <Bashing-om> Paulus68: What I see most often in this case is /boot directory full with old kernels, we need to look with those commands and see what is.
[03:59] <remuxa> Bashing-om: I have read this page, and it doesn't seem to help me.
[04:00] <Bashing-om> remuxa: I Have slept a few times since I did the mini install .. best I recall the optiopn is "none" .
[04:02] <remuxa> Bashing-om: So the dialog I had read about didn't exist?
[04:03] <Bashing-om> remuxa: Gimme a bit to refresh my memory, will read the reference. be back soonest.
[04:04] <tom___v> I just failed to update from 12.04 to 14.04, so I did a clean install, and now I can't figure out how to restore my home dir using my dejabackup files.
[04:04] <tom___v> I'm getting an error message, "permission denied"
[04:04] <tom___v> Any suggestions?  Anyone restored dejabackup to  a new system before?
[04:05] <miguel> hi
[04:06] <tomengland> is there a notes text editor that will read google.com notes?
[04:06] <aaeon> can someone one help me with this error: checking for directory with kernel source... Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution
[04:06] <aaeon> or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel
[04:07] <aaeon> I need to figure out how to get linux-headers for 3.15 in that dir
[04:08] <miguel> hello there
[04:08] <aaeon> hey
[04:10] <miguel> do you have knowledge about clustering?
[04:10] <snardbafulators> I just need to know if my new business card's logo would be infringing on cannonical's trademark: http://i.imgur.com/eizzhMx.jpg
[04:11] <Moonlightning> My laptop isn't booting, something about a nonexistent initrd.img. The last shutdown was a normal one, with /sbin/shutdown, but before that I remember a notice in the MotD that /boot was nearly full.
[04:11] <Moonlightning> Also, I have unattended-upgrades enabled. I think it might be a failed kernel update.
[04:12] <Moonlightning> It's a PowerBook, though, so finding any alternate boot media is going to be tricky at best…I'm sitting at an Open Firmware prompt right now, anything I can do from here?
[04:12] <holstein> Moonlightning: try booting the older kernel
[04:12] <Moonlightning> …duh. *facepalm*
[04:13] <Moonlightning> Shoulda thought of that. :P
 what distro are you using?
[04:13] <tom___v> I'm researching how to troubleshoot my dejabackup restore, and seeing downright scary reviews about this being a problem (https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/saucy/deja-dup/)
[04:13] <tom___v> I thought dejabackup was just a pretty wrapper around rsync..
[04:13] <tom___v> but now I'm worried my inability to restore my files might be a deeper problem.
[04:14] <holstein> tom___v: try it and see if it works for you
[04:14] <Moonlightning> …oops, that doesn't work either. No such file as initrd.img.old
[04:14] <tom___v> holstein, i did it's not recognizing my backed up files.. I get "permission dened"
[04:14] <tom___v> and no details.
[04:14] <holstein> tom___v: whats not?
[04:14] <Moonlightning> miguel: Ubuntu. XD
[04:14] <holstein> tom___v: you can use sudo for permission errors
[04:14] <Moonlightning> Else I'd be asking in a different channel, dontcha think? :)
[04:14] <tom___v> the ubuntu backup utility "dejabackup"
[04:15] <tom___v> preinstalled with ubuntu 14.04
[04:15] <miguel> your processor is amd?
[04:15] <Moonlightning> PowerPC.
[04:15] <holstein> tom___v: for the record, i have used it successfullly.. i also have had issues with it in the past. and had to configure it properly
[04:15] <holstein> !ppc | Moonlightning
[04:15] <miguel> you've made an update?
[04:15] <tom___v> holstein, excellent to hear.
[04:15] <Moonlightning> holstein: yes, I know that.
[04:16] <tom___v> holstein,  I don't see a lot of configuration options..
[04:16] <holstein> Moonlightning: ok.. so you know its not officially supported then?
[04:16] <miguel> yes i already know.
[04:16] <Moonlightning> Does that mean I can't get help /at all/ here? >.<
[04:16] <Bashing-om> remuxa: I am back, my memory is no btter,,, I do know that I did not choose any of the "packages" to install in that pop up. I still feel the option I chose was "none" but it likely  is some other identification.
[04:16] <miguel> wait
[04:17] <holstein> Moonlightning: you can try.. but there is only so much that can be done... have you tried a live CD on the hardware? have you tried testing the hard drive?
[04:17] <remuxa> Bashing-om: The problem is that the pop-up never popped up for me, so I couldn't select anything if I wanted or not.
[04:17] <tom___v> holstein, I select, "restore", and point to my external drive, and I get "Restore Failed" => Error creating directory: Permission denied
[04:17] <miguel> you can't boot right?
[04:17] <tom___v> maybe I need to launch with sudo?
[04:17] <holstein> tom___v: you can tru sudo to address permission errorys
[04:18] <remuxa> Bashing-om: And I'm wondering what could be the problem, the CD or my installation options
[04:18] <holstein> errors*
[04:18] <holstein> !sudo
[04:18] <nightdemon666> Hello everyone... Anyone with experience installing 14.04 on intel mac mini?
[04:19] <miguel> or are you getting a kernel panic?
[04:19] <tom___v> holstein, gotcha.  I think we are on the same page.
[04:19] <tom___v> holstein, I'll try that now.
[04:19] <holstein> !mac | nightdemon666
[04:19] <holstein> nightdemon666: i used reFIT, though, i understand that has a newer fork..
[04:20] <nightdemon666> I wanst intending on keeping os x. Just single boot ubuntu 14.04 on mac mini with intel chips
[04:21] <holstein> nightdemon666: i used reFIT when i booted *only* ubuntu
[04:21] <nightdemon666> You didnt delete The EFI partition?
[04:21] <holstein> nightdemon666: you can try what you like.. its all intel hardware, and nothing about ubuntu is preventing the installation of ubuntu on the hardware.. but i found i had issues on the few machine i had access to
[04:22] <tom___v> holstein, is "backups" gui the same as deja-dup on the command line?
[04:22] <tom___v> I'm wondering if I can use command line to restore
[04:22] <holstein> !gksudo
[04:23] <Bashing-om> remuxa: Did you md5sum the .iso ? and what did you choose for an option in that first GUI installation screen ? (CLI installation [best of my poor memory]).
[04:23] <tom___v> holstein, thanks, I was not at all aware of that.  Installing gksu now.
[04:24] <nightdemon666> I have gotten all kinds of errors when loading the desktop. I deleted all partitions and set up the partition table as msdos. I tried the 64 bit version but it errors prompting me to select option 1 or 2 and then i cant type anything. I had to burn ubuntu 64 amd +mac into a dvd to get it to boot ubuntu :-(
[04:24] <newvirus> http://piratebox.cc/faq
[04:25] <nightdemon666> I have it installed, but like i said, many errors... Ive wondered if its because i installed the amd+mac version on an intel based mac mini... Does that matter?
[04:26] <Cerratux> Excuse me <nightdemon666> what are you trying to do?
[04:26] <remuxa> Bashing-om: For extra installation options, I chose the mouse support and lowmem. My locale/keyboard was en-US, I'm using a wireless connection, and I set up sda to have all but 500mb as a single partition.
[04:27] <tom___v> holstein, gksudo prompts me for the name of the app, but when I try "which Backups"  I don't find anything.
[04:27] <tom___v> What is the app I'm launching when I click the Backups icon in ubuntu 14.04?
[04:28] <nightdemon666> I installed ubuntu 14.04 amd+mac on an intel mac mini. I get all kinds of system error pop ups upon boot up to login screen, and then more errors when the desktop loads. I remember seeing an error that the installer crashed when i attempted the installation from live dvd.
[04:29] <nightdemon666> Cerratux, that reply was directed to you...
[04:29] <tom___v> holstein, or more generally, how can I tell what the full path is to any app I am launching from unity's interface?
[04:29] <Cerratux> ok
[04:29] <Cerratux> look several errors can occur
[04:30] <nightdemon666> What i want to know is, does it matter that i installed the amd64+mac version on intel hardware?
[04:30] <remuxa> Bashing-om: Also I can't find the hash of the iso online for comparison with what I got.
[04:30] <Cerratux> forgive my spell, how much ram do you have on your mac?
[04:31] <nightdemon666> I tried just the 64 bit (non-mac version) but i get prompted to selecting option 1. Or 2. From CD-ROM drive :-/
[04:31] <remuxa> Bashing-om: Never mind, I found it on a wiki page, and they're the same.
[04:31] <nightdemon666> 2 GB Cerratux
[04:31] <tom___v> holstein, I think I"m on the right track with this info http://askubuntu.com/questions/130674/how-do-i-open-deja-dup-as-root  I'll let you know how it goes.
[04:31] <Cerratux> well 64-bit is too much for it
[04:31] <newvirus> http://piratebox.cc/videos
[04:32] <Cerratux> you should try a 32-bit
[04:32] <Cerratux> ubuntu distribution.
[04:32] <Moonlightning> holstein: no and no, but I doubt it's a hardware issue. Are there even any Ubuntu livecds for ppc anymore?
[04:32] <nightdemon666> Understood, but it gives me the option to upgrade ram further if i choose to go over 4GB in the future with 64 bit OS
[04:33] <nightdemon666> I can, and i dont mind doing that... Do you have experience installing ubuntu on mac mini?
[04:34] <Cerratux> how is your sata configuration?
[04:34] <Cerratux> of course it must be ahci
[04:35] <grilo> br?
[04:35] <Cerratux> if your processor is intel, you must be able to run ubuntu
[04:35] <Cerratux> no matter what
[04:36] <nightdemon666> Cerratux, i hadnt bothered to look into the sata config. Im very much used to running linux distros with out much problem. I ran an old crunchband distro from cd just fine, but i couldnt seem to boot 64 bit (non-mac) version of 14.04
[04:37] <nightdemon666> Its running, but like i said, with errors wanting me to send bug reports on.
[04:39] <Cerratux> so you already run "system testing"?
[04:39] <Cerratux> that aplication can bring you detailed information
[04:39] <aaeon> can anyone help me with the following error running the command: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[04:39] <aaeon> Package linux-headers-3.15.0-031500-generic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:39] <Cerratux> it comes with ubuntu 14.04 by default
[04:40] <Cerratux> don't worry by the architecture of your cpu
[04:40] <Cerratux> don't worry about the architecture of your cpu
[04:41] <Cerratux> if you have 2gb ram should be enougth
[04:41] <newvirus> http://piratebox.cc/laptop
[04:41] <Bashing-om> remuxa: OK, also what pops to mind, are you sure you have the minimal version rather then the "alternate" ??
[04:41] <tom___v> holstein, looks like my restore is now underway.  Thanks for the help!! Karma point to you.
[04:42] <remuxa> Bashing-om: Yes, I am using the minimal version.
[04:42] <Cerratux> i have tried amd-64 bits on intel and run great
[04:42] <Cerratux> ubuntu amd-64 bit
[04:46] <Cerratux> sometimes happens that the graphic driver is not compatible with the video server
[04:46] <Cerratux> xorg
[04:48] <Pimpdamap> http://trrlewis.blogspot.com/
[04:48] <Pimpdamap> theres good stuff here
[04:48] <newvirus> distrowatch.com
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> newvirus: plz stop spamming
[04:48] <newvirus> yes mom
[04:49] <newvirus> pimp no more spaming
[04:49] <Firefishe> How does one set up mpd for use as a normal user, and not globally?  (This is a generic question, not distro-specific.  I have need of general information.)
[04:50] <newvirus> lotuspsychje is alertjeck to spam
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> !ops | newvirus
[04:50] <newvirus> !ops lotuspsychje
[04:50] <snardbafulators> guys   is this logo to similar to that of Ubuntu?  http://i.imgur.com/eizzhMx.jpg
[04:51] <snardbafulators> or is this okay to use on my new program that I will be selling?
[04:51] <snardbafulators> It is called newbuntu
[04:52] <xangua> !ops | snardbafulators
[04:52] <snardbafulators> oh go suck on a nigger dick xangua
[04:59] <fuzzywhirlpool> Firefishe: you can read about mpd in the ubuntu wiki
[04:59] <fuzzywhirlpool> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPD
[05:02] <remuxa> Bashing-om: Now, out of all the prior times, the dialog box shows up.
[05:03] <remuxa> Bashing-om: It probably doesn't do with me disabling all of the security schemes (such as shadow passwords and encrypted /home)
[05:08] <Bashing-om> remuxa: Looking better,,, Unless you have a dire need DO NOT encrypt ! It adds a layer of complexity that in times of difficulty can not be overcome.
[05:11] <Waykool99>  Question about BlueTooth: does Ubuntu have a help page which explains what, who, where NAP, DUN, PAN, Object Push and dhcpd3/dnsmasq means, in kindergarden language?
[05:12] <newvirus> faq file
[05:16] <Waykool99> just bought a tablet. i'm very concerned about BT'ing with this pc and BT security. found some questionable 'apps' with (almost) hidden sending private info to 3rd party servers, which sort of angers me.
[05:20] <Waykool99> i doubt the carriers customer service will be honest and give me straight answers.  otherwise, i like that it runs on Linux, connects to my wifi-router and bluetooth 1st before connecting to a cell tower. but have serious security concerns.
[05:21] <bazhang> Waykool99, this is not really an ubuntu issue, try ##security
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> Waykool99: or if you interested for ubuntu on tablet #ubuntu-touch
[05:22] <user0> how to create my own linux
[05:22] <bazhang> !remaster | user0
[05:22] <fuzzywhirlpool> Why don't you just activate offline mode before using Bluetooth?
[05:22] <bazhang> or start with the mini user0
[05:22] <bazhang> !mini | user0
[05:23] <Waykool99> i'm running on Live ubuntu v14.04 LTS 64 bit with BT, DVD-R. i've never used BT on a pc before.
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> !bluetooth | Waykool99
[05:26] <Waykool99> OK. thank you very much everyone. have a great day.  i'll swipe/copy/paste everything to a *.txt file on thumb drive as a reference. thanks again.
[05:27] <SamSol> Does anybody know why updatedb.mlocate takes so much time to run&
[05:27] <SamSol> ?
[05:30] <histo> SamSol: it needs to create a database of every file on your system
[05:32] <SamSol> It is just reading all directories. Why so long?
[05:33] <SamSol> Its must be a bug!
[05:33] <histo> SamSol: how long is long?
[05:33] <SamSol> 40 minutes
[05:33] <RustyShackleford> does anyone else use chrome on ubuntu?
[05:34] <kenn1> How many files you got and how fast is the drive?
[05:34] <histo> SamSol: yeah that's abnormal
[05:34] <histo> SamSol: is it a thumb drive?
[05:34] <RustyShackleford> i've got a wierd issue where if lots of tabs are open, the pages don't render correctly while you scroll
[05:34] <SamSol> No, 3.5'' HDD
[05:35] <SamSol> 139G used of 457G
[05:35] <histo> SamSol: well that could be why. What is the 139gb of?
[05:36] <SamSol> Checking...
[05:36] <Poindexter_> Can anyone here direct me to any interactive web server daemons for my server either in Ubuntu or Debian? Not experimental but it has to work.
[05:36] <kenn1> apache?
[05:37] <Poindexter_> IE real time talk or text.
[05:38] <Poindexter_> Tech support.
[05:40] <ichat> Poindexter_:    if you want good answers ... ask good questions... ie.  tell us about what you seeq what you have and with what puropse
[05:41] <Poindexter_> Interactive live tech support for my clients.
[05:41] <ichat> Poindexter_:  with what purpose, in what kind of setting... where who  why...
[05:41] <ichat> come one really  make the effort here
[05:41] <user0> how to show network tariff in xubuntu
[05:42] <Poindexter_> Interactive technical support. I think I made my question very clear.
[05:42] <ichat> user0:  you could use conky
[05:42] <bazhang> Poindexter_, for ubuntu?
[05:42] <Poindexter_> I will look that up. Thanks ichat.
[05:43] <ichat> Poindexter_:  conky wasnt meant for you
[05:43] <ichat> a never mind
[05:43] <ichat> im outa here
[05:43] <Poindexter_> Ichat thanks for that heads up.
[05:44] <ouyes> I can not go to sleep
[05:46] <Poindexter_> I will spell it out much simpler. I want people to come to my web site and click on an icon and then be able to chat with one of my technicians or also in another case to chat with other school mates in my Network Technology Academy. It is just an interactive tool. I have seen them, but, it is like a relay server in which like IRC and VOIP you need an intermediary server to do the work.
[05:47] <kenn1> Poindexter_: sounds like you want a chat webapp
[05:49] <Poindexter_> The thing is that I don't want to rely on a public web IRC chat. I set up a Debian web server but I am looking for a tool to use my Debian or Ubuntu servers to act as an intermediator between the server and clients.
[05:50] <kenn1> Poindexter_: I googled: http://codegeekz.com/10-free-chat-applications-for-your-websites/
[05:53] <Guest75224> hi to all
[05:54] <SamSol> histo, thank you. Looks like my admin put previous system to /home/opensuse. Even du -sh /home/opensuse takes long time
[05:56] <histo> SamSol: I would just create a tar gzip of the old stuff incase you ever need it.
[05:57] <SamSol> I think it may have overloaded folder. May be old tmp...
[05:58] <SamSol> I will find it and wipe/
[06:05] <user___> Curt sighed in frustration.  He was miles away from home and conceptually
[06:05] <user___> ... been his parents and counselors who decided that early college
[06:05] <user___> ... sighed and turned down the heat
[06:05] <user___> ... the first time made him lonely.  It didn't matter
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> !ot | user___
[06:05] <user___> ... predestined for failure.
[06:06] <user___> ... degree.  Curt only stood about
[06:06] <nikolam> user___, what??
[06:06] <user___> ... same way.  The girls had been kind, but
[06:06] <user___> ... nothing had changed.  Curt
[06:06] <user___> ... and a half inches long.  His balls were similarly-sized,
[06:06] <nikolam> This is Ubuntu support channel user___
[06:06] <user___> ... nothing ... so far.  His research would
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> !ops | user___
[06:06] <user___> ...
[06:06] <user___> ... other compounds.  He turned up the flame
[06:06] <user___> ... passage of the new compound by visual inspection.
[06:06] <user___> ... amount from the vial with
[06:06] <user___> ... be difficult.  There were many
[06:07] <user___> ... drifted off to sleep, the beaker in the next room continued to simmer...
[06:07] <user___> ... considering the dreams he'd had the night before) and looked
[06:07] <user___> ... muttered.  Squeezing out a few drops
[06:09] <nikolam> I have some strange trouble with wired networking. It started when I used 13.10 a month or 2 ago and continued with upgraded 14.04.
[06:09] <bazhang> !details | nikolam
[06:09] <nikolam> LAN is on, but no network is shared to other LAN users via it
[06:09] <nikolam> bazhang, give me a sec
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: its best to explain all in one line
[06:10] <nikolam> I can only click in network GUI in panel on LAN, then it works, but I need to do it on every reboot
[06:11] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, yes, I suppose it is, but I can't keep with the speed requested
[06:12] <nikolam> LAN hardware is BCM5721 and it is answered as 'p5p1' in ifconfig
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> !broadcom | nikolam
[06:13] <bazhang> thats not really the right broadcom
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: did you check your additional drivers section for network drivers?
[06:15] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, yes, I use Nvidia only
[06:16] <nikolam> It used to work just fine in 13.10 up to 2 months ago. then it started behaving like that, and now in 14.04 . Will see that BCM link.
[06:25] <adhdhero> I can't concentrate. Can you recommend a good concentration camp with nice Jewish kids for me?
[06:26] <weedmic> I have a linux machine with NFS server on it with an NFS share of /weekly/migration.  I have a different linux machine with NFS client.  I was never asked for a password on the client machine to access the NFS share.  Where do I input the credentials to access the share?
[06:38] <vahid> hi all
[06:38] <vahid> how install nessus in ubuntu
[06:38] <aeon-ltd> !nessus
[06:38] <histo> !info nessus
[06:38] <histo> did bot die?
[06:38] <nikolam> Every time I use sudo it spits out " no talloc stackframe at ../source3/param/loadparm.c:4864, leaking memory "
[06:39] <nikolam> It is upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 . saying how much trouble I have with it, it seems I must reinstall to get working LTS...
[06:42] <slingamn> i have a minimal install of Precise and i want to upgrade it via the CLI to Trusty. `do-release-upgrade` tells me: "Checking for a new Ubuntu release" and then "No new release found"
[06:43] <PrivateMethod> Google Chrome is in my Start-up Applications. If I try and have the computer Autologin, Google Chrome is unresponsive at startup. However, if I have the user do a manual login, Google Chrome works just fine. wtf
[06:43] <nikolam> slingamn, it depends on what is set , should it show updates
[06:44] <slingamn> nikolam: sorry, i don't understand. is there a setting i should change?
[06:44] <vahid> how to instaal nessus in ububntu
[06:44] <nikolam> PrivateMethod, is Google chrome installed from ubuntu repositories (it uses chromium) or downloading from external site?
[06:44] <PrivateMethod> downloading from external site.
[06:44] <PrivateMethod> nikolam: I used http://www.google.com/chrome
[06:45] <vahid> hhhhaaalllooo
[06:45] <PrivateMethod> you know, let me give this a try... I'm going to try Chromium browser instead.
[06:46] <PrivateMethod> If this fixes it, I'm going to throw this thing through the wall.
[06:46] <nikolam> slingamn, I suggest you do fresh LTS install. I had problems with update, but yes, I usually set that in Synaptic in settings, what he should be checking to update to.
[06:46] <nikolam> PrivateMethod, then that is google's problem I suppose or try looking it inside ubuntu repositories instead
[06:47] <slingamn> nikolam: that's fair. nothing is broken with this system so i might just leave it as it is until 16.04
[06:47] <PrivateMethod> nikolam: Yeah, I'm going to try the chromium-browser instead of straight up Ghrome
[06:47] <PrivateMethod> Chrome*
[06:47] <nikolam> chromium it more privacy-minded then google's chrome, it does not have some components, but they are made from same sources
[06:49] <PrivateMethod> nikolam: I read in a few sources that Google Chrome has issues with how it utilizes the GPU...
[06:49] <nikolam> At least on Linux, you Can get working Chromium in repositories of distributions. On other platforms, it is not such luck.
[06:49] <PrivateMethod> But I am not 100% sure that it'd be realted to my issue.
[06:49] <nikolam> PrivateMethod, I wouldn't know that, I use mostly Firefox and Seamonkey.
[06:49] <nikolam> But checking graphics drivers, won't hurt, too.
[06:50] <PrivateMethod> when I check the graphcis driver, it just says it's a VGA, Intel Controller Version 2 or something rather.
[06:50] <MrGeneral> Hello folks. Upon trying to get ElasticSearch to start on boot, I get a fail error, however, no logs are created. How can I change the boot order so it will be the last service to start? Note that I'm able to start, stop and restart it with service elasticsearch start, stop, restart.
[06:50] <PrivateMethod> This motherboard is custom made :\
[06:50] <weedmic> where does NFS ask you to login or where does one set the credentials?
[06:51]  * PrivateMethod just installed Chromium-Browser... hopes it fixes
[06:51] <nikolam> slingamn, I have sort of good experience with LTSes. Just they also can have some bogus updates, but they last one day tops and most of the time it just works
[06:51] <slingamn> agreed. this is really low-spec hardware and i don't use it much, i picked ubuntu 12.04 to minimize problems and it's worked well so far
[06:52] <PrivateMethod> nikolam: it fixed it... son of a!....
[06:52] <nikolam> PrivateMethod, hmm, intel driver come with the system usually. maybe you should get some graphics card in 2014? :P
[06:53] <PrivateMethod> nikolam: what's crazy, is that I have been thinking "chromium-browser" all afternoon, but didn't think that they'd be different.
[06:54] <nikolam> PrivateMethod, just bare in mind to report to google your bug with their chrome in ubuntu. And that Chromium does not have some closed components that ship with chrome.
[06:54] <PrivateMethod> nikolam: It's all custom hardware. It all works out of the box (ubuntu install), but the manufacturer does not supply *nix drivers.
[06:54] <nikolam> PrivateMethod, they are sam sources, just google bundles more stuff in their.
[06:54] <PrivateMethod> nikolam: I appreciate the mention of chromium though... sometimes it takes a fresh pair of eyes/thoughts
[06:55] <nikolam> PrivateMethod, you need to force manufacturer to support Linux at least. This it 2014.. :P
[06:55] <PrivateMethod> If you saw this system, it might make a little more sense. ;)
[06:56] <nikolam> PrivateMethod, report it to google, anyway, it seems like they have problems with Ubuntu then. or something else :P
[06:57] <PrivateMethod> nikolam: yeah, it's definitely a Google Chrome issue. I'll report it.
[06:57] <helmut_> hi
[06:59] <PrivateMethod> hello helmut_
[07:06] <ws2k3> do we have mariadb of mysql in buntu 14.04?
[07:07] <MrGeneral> ws2k3, dunno, im using mariadb mirrors tho
[07:07] <MrGeneral> ws2k3, https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/#mirror=fe_up_pt&distro=Ubuntu&distro_release=trusty&version=10.0
[07:07] <ws2k3> yeah i chose to compile by hand was i was thinking maby someone knows
[07:08] <ws2k3> would be nice if thet would add mariadb-server and mariadb-client to the ubuntu repository
[07:13] <MrGeneral> yeah ws2k3
[07:14] <Sway> Anyone here running an amd card with proprietary drivers and have issues such as freezing and unresponsive cursor, etc..? I swear every time i install drivers for my gpu, i have these problems but if i don't then i have to deal with my second monitor not fitting my screen properly ._.
[07:14] <ws2k3> lol they went from php 5.3 to php 5.5 ?
[07:15] <ws2k3> precise had php 5.3 and trusty had 5.5 ...
[07:16] <nikolam> ws2k3, does it change something for you?
[07:17] <ws2k3> it would be better if they would have one releash with php 5.4
[07:17] <ws2k3> moving from php 5.3 to php is harder then moving from 5.3 to 5.4 and then move again to 5.5
[07:18] <nikolam> Sway, depending on model, open or proprietary drivers might work. http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Hardware
[07:20] <allstarsnorks2> hi guys. How do I apply a GTK 3.0 theme without using the GNOME Tweak Tool?
[07:20] <nikolam> ws2k3, like when comics owner from 'The Big bang theory' said (before ceiling fell out where he previously standed): "I can't catsh a break" :P
[07:21] <dip> hi~ how do one find out what to type for XXX in "apt-get install XXX", from a link like this? http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/1:2014.1-0ubuntu1.1
[07:21] <Sway> Not sure if i want to bother with drivers. This card works fine without drivers and the only issue i have is; my second monitor doesn't fit the resolution i have set for it even though that's the resolution it should be lol
[07:21] <Beldar> allstarsnorks2, This the fallback or gnome shell desktop, just curious?
[07:22] <Beldar> And what release?
[07:23] <how-art-thou> does the php5 in trusty 14.04 lts have support for postgresql?
[07:23] <nikolam> Sway, you need to check what GOU you use. If it is problem with open drivers (that comes shipped with the system), you should file a Bug report (ubuntu-bug and then on launchpad). Or see if your hardware works better with proprietary drivers, if supported.
[07:23] <nikolam> GPU
[07:23] <allstarsnorks2_> Beldar it's the GNOME 3 Shell (no fallback)
[07:24] <Beldar> allstarsnorks2_, Cool what release?
[07:25] <Sway> nikolam, Was just curious if anyone else here was having similar issues. Default drivers actually work better than proprietary. Without them my system is stable :p
[07:26] <nikolam> Sway, what hardware
[07:26] <Sway> Radeon-HD 7850
[07:26] <weedmic> I have found that nvidia drivers work much better (actually flawlessly) compared to opensource versions.
[07:26] <Sway> @ nikolam
[07:26] <allstarsnorks2__> sorry, got disconnected
[07:26] <Beldar> allstarsnorks2__, This 14.04?
[07:27] <weedmic> I have had no other instances where I wanted proprietary drivers, like I use powerchute for UPS comms without probs.
[07:27] <allstarsnorks2__> Beldar. Yep, Ubuntu GNOME 14.04. Came here because no one at the gnome channel or the ubuntu gnome channel is responding.
[07:27] <nikolam> Sway, there it is saying "2D/3D Acceleration with Catalyst Only for * All RadeonHD 7000-series (aka Southern Islands) and RadeonHD 8000-series (aka Sea Islands) chips"
[07:27] <Sway> nikolam, Yeah i was reading that.
[07:28] <nikolam> So you won't get any acceleration without catalyst if thet is right
[07:28] <Beldar> allstarsnorks2_, Not being up on this I don't do themes this google search may get you going first hit is Webupd8 is a ppa is all, https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=gnome+shell+14.04+install++GTK+3.0+theme&gbv=1&sei=upueU97mDYbroAT__YGQDQ
[07:29] <Sway> Totally okay with that.
[07:30] <nikolam> Sway, on the other hand, "Some RadeonHD 7000/8000 cards are actually rebadged" so maybe that is why open drivers are working ok
[07:30] <Beldar> allstarsnorks2__, Kinda slow here this time of noght where I'm at so thought to at least get you going if I could. ;)
[07:30] <Sway> hah yeah..
[07:31] <allstarsnorks2__> Beldar I'm trying my best.
[07:32] <ada5> Anyone used the Knoppix 7.2 live-disk?   It seems to recognize my Ubuntu boot sector only, but not parts /sda2-/sda5
[07:33] <Beldar> allstarsnorks2__, That is all you can do. ;)
[07:33] <allstarsnorks2__> Beldar I'm also trying to change my GNOME Shell with a theme. I did it before, but forgot how
[07:33] <Beldar> ada5, Knoppix is not supported here, this for an install, what is the end goal?
[07:33] <nikolam> Sway, no i've been reading some review, it's new chip
[07:33] <Bootez> ls
[07:35] <weedmic> remind me how do I do man foo in a browser to see a formated man page?
[07:38] <allstarsnorks2__> awkward. Why is GTK 3.0 window different for root and non-root
[07:38] <ada5> Beldar, My Ubuntu 12.04 now halts mid boot, thought I'd check it wasn't over-full. Look at its last dmesg.
[07:39] <cjae> yo, palemoon needs to be in repos
[07:40] <Beldar> ada5, If knoppix does not see it I would use a live that does is all, could be any number of reasons why this is happening including a broken partition table.
[07:40] <ada5> Beldar, Knoppix is not supported at #knoppix  haha
[07:41] <leeyaa> hello
[07:41] <leeyaa> where can i review ubuntu 14.04 bugs
[07:41] <leeyaa> something like a list
[07:41] <leeyaa> i need to check how stable is xen on 14.04
[07:41] <Beldar> ada5, Grab a puppy linux for a small download.
[07:41] <franz_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-14.04
[07:42] <tracyone> how to use markdown to write a blog in wordpress?
[07:42] <leeyaa> franz_: is there any xen section or thats all
[07:42] <ada5> Beldar, Thanks. Will keep at it.
[07:43] <franz_> not sure i just happened to be on the page :p
[07:43] <leeyaa> rofl ;p
[07:45] <Beldar> ada5, If you tap the esc keep right after the grub menu you will get a text boot if that might help, or insert text in grub with an edit per boot
[07:46] <ada5> Beldar, Thanks, ESC key, great!
[07:51] <m1dnight_> hey guys
[07:51] <m1dnight_> I'm using tmux lately and I've put in my .bashrc a line that tells my terminal (ctrl-alt-t) to always open up tmux
[07:51] <m1dnight_> is there a handy way to make it do the following:
[07:51] <m1dnight_> -> tmux attach -d
[07:52] <m1dnight_> so that it kills my other terminals and reopens the current terminal?
[07:53] <m1dnight_> I tried changing the line as follows:
[07:53] <m1dnight_> [[ $TERM != "screen" ]] && exec 'tmux attach -d'
[07:53] <m1dnight_> but that doesn't work really
[07:53] <m1dnight_> oh wait
[07:53] <m1dnight_> it does
[07:54] <m1dnight_> hurrah
[07:55] <tomengland> 3.1.5 works very well on ubuntu 14.04
[08:01] <gsagie> I am running vnc4server on a ubuntu 12.04 desktop machine, i try to connect to it with a VNC client (tried 2 different clients) and i all i see is a grey screen, anyone know what might be the problem,?
[08:03] <TomyWork> what's the recommended way to install system updates on ubuntu 12.04? aptitude or apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:04] <Ben64> TomyWork: apt-get
[08:04] <aeon-ltd> TomyWork: more here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto#Maintenance_commands
[08:08] <gsagie> I am running vnc4server on a ubuntu 12.04 desktop machine, i try to connect to it with a VNC client (tried 2 different clients) and i all i see is a grey screen, anyone know what might be the problem,?
[08:13] <Ben64> gsagie: you probably created a new display and it's just empty
[08:13] <gsagie> Ben64 : what do you mean "new display" ?
[08:13] <aeon-ltd> gsagie: have you seen this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2038352 also what is your xstartup -double check it and pastebin it if in doubt
[08:14] <Ben64> gsagie: a new instance of xorg?
[08:14] <gsagie> Ben64: i haven't done this before, i just installed and run vnc4server, i guess i was missing some steps
[08:15] <Ben64> gsagie: try running this... "DISPLAY=:1 xterm"
[08:15] <gsagie> run it where?
[08:16] <Ben64> gsagie: on your computer running the vnc server
[08:17] <gsagie> Ben64: doesn't do anything just stuck
[08:18] <`ajven> hi, how much stable is ubuntu this day?
[08:18] <cfhowlett> ajven  very
[08:18] <Ben64> gsagie: look at the vnc client when thats running
[08:19] <`ajven> cfhowlett its not like 2-3 years ago ? every restart = new error ?
[08:19] <Ben64> `ajven: it wasn't like that 2-3 years ago
[08:19] <cfhowlett> ajven    LTS = very
[08:19] <bazhang> check the notes `ajven
[08:19] <bazhang> !notes | `ajven
[08:20] <`ajven> well i was work with 6 machine 3 years a go and every  reboot makes new errors, thats why im asking how it looks now
[08:20] <cfhowlett> ajven check the calendar.  it's 2014.
[08:20] <bazhang> `ajven, do have an actual support issue?
[08:20] <`ajven> didnt install it yet so nope :)
[08:20] <cfhowlett> ajven install virtual box.  install ubuntu to vbox.  test.
[08:21] <`ajven> i agree but using os on virtualization its not same like runing it on computer :) anyway if you say its stable i will give a try
[08:22] <`ajven> thanks for answers
[08:22] <cfhowlett> ajven happy2help
[08:22] <gsagie> Ben64: when i type it, i see my terminal window (the background is still all grey)
[08:22] <gsagie> in the VNC client
[08:23] <Ben64> gsagie: see, thats because it created a new display. if you wanted a different behavior, then you need to change things
[08:23] <dip> anyone can give me pointers on how to install this package~?
[08:23] <dip> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/1:2014.1-0ubuntu1.1
[08:24] <dip> it's on proposed repository, I followed instruction here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[08:24] <gsagie> Ben64: any chance you can direct me to what it is i need to change so i can see the entire screen in VNC? any link will be appreciated
[08:24] <Ben64> dip: on that page it shows that it failed to build, there is no package
[08:24] <dip> but can't find the package
[08:24] <cfhowlett> dip it's not yet ready for prime time
[08:24] <dip> oops...
[08:25] <Ben64> gsagie: so you want it to not create a display but show the one you already had running?
[08:25] <gsagie> yes
[08:26] <Ben64> gsagie: then you should use the built in tools for that, on 12.04 it's called "Desktop Sharing"
[08:35] <phallix> anyone know how i can map channels in alsamixer, sound only coming from subwoofer and doesnt show all speakers in alsa or pulse
[08:54] <CMStorm> turn the lights down low
[08:54] <niko> /22/whois ramers
[08:55] <kiwicam> Hi Everyone. Is it possible to have skype go through one sound card and all other sounds go through another? Kubuntu 12.04 LTS
[08:55] <tomengland> hello is there anyway to run sudo modprobe -r psmouse ; sudo modprobe psmouse
[08:55] <CMStorm> kiwicam are you from nz?
[08:55] <tomengland> as soon as machine comes out of suspend?
[08:55] <tomengland> automatically*
[08:56] <wuschLOR> hi there anybody familiar with inkscape sripts ?
[08:56] <Paulus68> is it normal that the network is disconnected when the drive is full?
[08:56] <kiwicam> CMStorm: If I say yes, do I get a prize? I am.
[08:59] <justanothernoob> Hello. I'm currently trying to install Ubuntu with the help of Knoppix. Followed all steps from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromKnoppix. Got to the part where I have to copy files from /lib/grub to /boot/grub, but /lib/grub isn't available. Well, whatever. Edited grub.conf to include my HDD. Too bad, that my HDD is not to be found in /dev. Knoppix can see it, but Ubuntu can
[08:59] <justanothernoob> not. Why, and how do I fix it?
[09:00] <ikonia> justanothernoob: why don't you just do a normal install
[09:01] <ikonia> justanothernoob: why are you trying to install via knoppix ?
[09:02] <ikonia> that guide appears massibly dated and now very wrong
[09:02] <justanothernoob> because Ubuntu doesn't fit on a CD. and my DVD-Drive has problems reading DVDs. It always either crashes the installation or doesn't even start it at all.
[09:02] <ikonia> justanothernoob use a usb
[09:03] <justanothernoob> is there a newer guide avalable?
[09:03] <ikonia> no
[09:03] <ikonia> not that I'm aware of
[09:03] <ikonia> and it appears to just be a weak process anyway
[09:03] <Beldar> justanothernoob, a mini net install works well
[09:04] <justanothernoob> the one time i managed to start ubuntu from disk there was an installer on it. Can i download it somewhere?
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> justanothernoob: create an ubuntu usb with unetbootin?
[09:07] <justanothernoob> Thanks Beldar. Haven't thought about it. You are my beacon in the darkness that is Ubuntu installation.
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | Beldar
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> whats the log name again where you can see unity starting speed?
[09:22] <tomengland> just wanted to say this was a lifesaver right here.  my machine is now 100% configured.  woohoo. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2189117
[09:26] <Guest69751> :-)
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> justanothernoob: could try the minimal iso, then upgrade using the web
[09:43] <tristanStrange> hey chaps... I've just done an upgrade from 13.10 -> 14.04 but a lot of my packages were held back.
[09:43] <tristanStrange> how do I find out what software it is that caused this?
[09:44] <dbugger> In "software and Updates" there is a possibility to find the "Best server" to get updates from Ubuntu. Is it possible to do that from the terminal?
[09:45] <cfhowlett> dbugger probably, but I don't know what commands would launch
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> tristanStrange: they wil be held back if dependancies cannot be met. Once they are met they will install.
[09:46] <cfhowlett> tristanStrange relax.  it might take a bit of time, but the "held backs" will self-correct.
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> tristanStrange: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade ,will show the held back packages
[09:49] <meaning> hey there. Are there any official devs of the ubuntu tablet project here ?
[09:49] <cfhowlett> !touch > meaning
[09:49] <sveta> try #ubuntu-touch
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> cfhowlett: that's fast shooting, Tex
[09:49] <tristanStrange> cheers guys.... forgot to do a dist-upgrade.... a lot less stuff held back now. Cheers!
[09:50] <sveta> i doubt there's merit in hiding that channel name, unless there is an obnoxiously long factoid about it
[09:50] <cfhowlett> ActionParsnip yeah, well, you know us bot-abusers ... :)
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> cfhowlett: she is useful for abuse ;)
[09:50] <meaning> thanks ! ;)
[09:57] <N4G3B00> hello
[09:58] <cfhowlett> N4G3B00 ask your ubuntu questions
[09:58] <sveta> hi! welcome
[10:00] <YamakasY> what is the localtimezone for The Netherlands ? nl_NL ?
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> YamakasY: have you tried 'tzselect' in terminal, should make things easier
[10:02] <YamakasY> ActionParsnip: I need to use it in preseed... that's why
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> YamakasY: isnt the timezone setting just a symlink ?
[10:03] <roby77> !ciao
[10:03] <YamakasY> ActionParsnip: yes, but I need to set it on preseed, that is way before the installation
[10:03] <roby77> !list
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> YamakasY: i belive its nl_nl as you say
[10:03] <ubuntuDoubts_> Hello
[10:04] <YamakasY> ActionParsnip: it doesn't accept it... but my VMscreen is artifacted... so I cannot see what 's happening
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> YamakasY: ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam /etc/localtime
[10:05] <Paulus68> using ubuntu 14.04 tried to logon this morning and just got a blank desktop no icons or taskbars after rebooting I tried the guest session => there was the notification that the root system was low on diskspace how do I resolve this?
[10:05] <roby77> !ciao
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> YamakasY: http://m.wikihow.com/Change-the-Timezone-in-Linux
[10:05] <roby77> !list
[10:05] <YamakasY> ActionParsnip: ah found... it wants to install in dutch... I don't want that!
[10:06] <YamakasY> ActionParsnip: I know that...
[10:06] <cfhowlett> YamakasY bork bork bork???
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> Paulus68: press CTRL + ALT + F1 and you can run: sudo apt-get clean ,as a good start
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> Paulus68: you could uninstall libreoffice so that you can login and get a GUI then clean up further
[10:08] <Paulus68> ActionParsnip: any large files will that be sufficient to?
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> YamakasY: do you have files like /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT-8
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> Paulus68: exactly. I only suggest libreoffice as its quite chunky (about 300Mb)
[10:09] <Paulus68> well I know I have some files in the download that are 1 GIG so I could start to delete those first
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> Paulus68: makes sense. Cleaning apt's cache down will help.
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> Paulus68: also uninstall old unused kernels.
[10:10] <Paulus68> ActionParsnip: how do I remove these
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> Paulus68: and clean out more deeper dirs like firefox cache, or huge logs in /var
[10:11] <ActionParsnip> Paulus68: uname -r ,will show the current kernel.
[10:11] <ActionParsnip> Paulus68: dpkg -l | grep linux-image | awk {'print $2'}
[10:11] <cfhowlett> Paulus68 apt-get autoremove
[10:12]  * lotuspsychje uses ubuntu-tweak to clean out
[10:12] <LordNikon55> Paulus68: Make sure you understand commands before running them, you shouldn't implicitly trust people in IRC
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> Paulus68: will show the installed kernels. You can remove any extra kernels. Just not the metapackage (the one without numbers) and not the running kernel.
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> lotuspsychje: user cannot login, so ubuntu tweak isnt going to be usable unless it can be used in CLI
[10:13] <roby77> !list
[10:13] <Paulus68> LordNikon55: I know ActionParsnip and cfhowlett to be trustworthy and they helped me out in the past as well
[10:13]  * cfhowlett blushes furiously
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> Roby77: it hasnt changed you know. There will never be files listed
[10:13] <LordNikon55> That ubottu message annoys me every single time, !list doesn't suggest warez
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | cfhowlett  ActionParsnip
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> lotuspsychje: ty :-)
[10:14] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje thanks m8
[10:15] <Paulus68> throwing cookies is one :p helping out is for ActionParsnip and cfhowlett :D
[10:15] <Paulus68> no offense towards lotuspsyche :D
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> Paulus68: we helped a user out yesterday, with cleaning out cli also with this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/36111/whats-a-command-line-way-to-find-large-files-directories-to-remove-and-free-up
[10:17] <loa> what is easy method to lock package in ubuntu?
[10:17] <loa> i installed google-chrome
[10:17] <LordNikon55> Baobab is the easiest way to find large files
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> !info baobab
[10:18] <loa> for example i installed google-chrome-32-0-1700-107-es-en-br-fr-de-it-cn-jp-ar-ru-nl-pl-cz-dk-fi-gr-kr-no-se-tr-ubu.deb
[10:18] <loa> i want to lock thing from it.
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> LordNikon55: is that the default disk analyzer tool in ubuntu?
[10:18] <loa> becouse update-manager is trying to update
[10:18] <loa> it
[10:18] <Paulus68> lotuspsychje: thanks
[10:19] <LordNikon55> lotuspsychje: Not sure, I use Red Hat
[10:19] <loa> lotuspsychje, there is much better, kdirstat
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[10:19] <loa> but ofcourse it need kde libs...
[10:24] <LordNikon55> Yes, KDE is best avoided like the plague
[10:25] <Dingus> what about mint?
[10:26] <cfhowlett> !mint|Dingus ??? mint isn't supported here
[10:26] <gry> Dingus: you're welcome to stick around and help others nevertheless.
[10:26] <jdmf> I'm currently making a local mirror using "debmirror" of trusty, but I'm not sure if I should also mirror the source? I can not see what I should be using the source for. Anyone here that can enlighten me?
[10:27] <gry> jdmf: if you intend to compile it, source would be useful. Otherwise you probably don't need it.
[10:28] <jdmf> gry: Thanks, that was my thought also, and saving local space is always nice.
[10:29] <KGM70> LordNikon55, I beg to differ, and I know that your sweeping statement is made to cause controversy, but we all gave our likes and dislikes this isn't the forum for that kind pf statement
[10:30] <KGM70> oops , anyway the gist is there
[10:31] <jdmf> gry: Another thing then - What about the requirement of some kernel-image header or sources. Would this require the source from mirror?
[10:33] <sveta> jdmf: I believe headers are installed, probably to let others do kernel system calls.
[10:33] <sveta> I mean, they're installed for everyone, not only developers.
[10:34] <jdmf> sveta: Sounds about right. And also having the kernel-headers in a seperate package as I can not remember the last time I used apt-get source PKG
[10:35] <jdmf> Thanks all. :)
[10:36] <sveta> jdmf: I think I didn't use apt-get source myself. I would start doing that, but I suspect that I am more into fixing bugs upstream anyway.
[10:36] <sveta> packaging is hard and I appreciate your closer look at all that.
[10:38] <ddt> Can I limit ICMP with UFW? I tried add rules for ICMP limit to after.rules or/and before.rules , but it didn't work.. Thanks
[10:39] <ddt> rules like -A ufw-after-input -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request -m limit --limit 39.6/min --limit-burst 1 -j ACCEPT
[10:43] <jdmf> sveta: Thank your for your input. :)
[10:44] <jdmf> gry: Also thank to you.. :)
[10:44] <sveta> we're the same person actually, I just have weird internet
[10:44] <sveta> no worries
[10:45] <jdmf> that explains everything now.. :P
[10:58] <texla> Ubuntu-14.04 Unity..How to add themes to unity-tweak-tool..Downloaded gtk2-engines-cleanice..does not show in tweaks
[11:02] <hari075> hi
[11:03] <hari075> i friends need help regarding squid3 conf
[11:04] <hari075> if you can plz help me
[11:12] <hari075> need help reg squid conf
[11:14] <cfhowlett> !info squid
[11:15] <hari075> how to export suid user and pwd in squid3
[11:15] <hari075> i have installed and working fine
[11:15] <hari075> now i need to export users and pwd on my old server
[11:18] <robynata> :P
[11:21] <yohanesekoportab> hello
[11:42] <justanothernoob> I'm back. managed to install ubuntu but have a new problem. My  Video-Card is a old NVidia GeForce4 440 Go 64m. I know where and how to get legacy drivers for debian, but i cant find them for ubuntu. can i just use the same package?
[11:44] <xfabox> hi, some help with boot-repair?
[11:46] <dh33p4n> hi guys I wanna develop ubuntu app, where to get started, can any one point me to the rite information, thanks!
[11:46] <ikonia> dh33p4n: from what point are you starting
[11:46] <ikonia> eg: do you know what languages you're going to use and just want the process to submit, or do you need to know how to write an app
[11:47] <asdofindia> are ubuntu apps different from applications that run in ubuntu?
[11:47] <dh33p4n> ikonia, I wanna use glade and python to develop desktop apps. I dunno how they work together
[11:48] <asdofindia> oh, I for a second, thought ubuntu on phones will have apps like firefox os apps.
[11:49] <ikonia> dh33p4n: http://developer.ubuntu.com/
[11:50] <dh33p4n> thanks! ikonia
[11:57] <BlackAngelPR> hi all , hola a todos
[11:57] <mary_> please help me in mysql connectivity with java
[11:58] <ikonia> mary_: what's the problem ?
[11:58] <ikonia> is it a connection problem with the infrastrcture or a code problem
[12:00] <masterkorp> hello
[12:00] <masterkorp> what happened to systemctl ?
[12:00] <BlackAngelPR> hi
[12:00] <masterkorp> I can't install systemd anymore from the official repos on 14.04 ?
[12:00] <ikonia> systemd isn't part of ubuntu
[12:01] <ikonia> it uses upstart
[12:01] <masterkorp> i know that
[12:01] <masterkorp> but it aint on the repos ? so i can use it as alternative service manager ?
[12:02] <ikonia> how do you expect to use it, if it's not in the repos ?
[12:02] <BlackAngelPR> http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-and-test-systemd-on-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr-and-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[12:02] <ikonia> I certainly wouldn't be using a PPA
[12:03] <IdleOne> masterkorp: I believe it is in the 14.10 development repos. but that is not supported in this channel
[12:03] <ikonia> I certainly wouldn't pull it back from 14.10 either
[12:03] <Guest14413> masterkorp intall it by compiling etc!
[12:03] <Guest14413> dont wait repos
[12:04] <ikonia> worst advice ever
[12:04] <ikonia> I'd ignore that more than the others
[12:04] <Guest14413> -)
[12:04] <masterkorp> fuck it i will use runit
[12:05] <ikonia> no need for bad langauge
[12:05] <IdleOne> ikonia: I agree. I was not trying to suggest mixing/pulling from 14.10. sorry if it sounded that way
[12:06] <Adept-> Hi, I am trying to install the latest LTS but the installer does not detect my SSD drive. Any advice ?
[12:08] <masterkorp> fuck it i will use runit
[12:08]  * Guest14413 slaps masterkorp around a bit with a large trout
[12:09] <ikonia> IdleOne not at all
[12:18] <justanothernoob> Is there a graphics driver that just runs? It doesn't have to run all that good, it just has to work. nouveau doesn't work. proprietary driver needs an older Xorg version. Too much hassle. There was one with 4 letters. Can anyone help?
[12:18] <Shardvexz> Hello Vongjam!
[12:18] <Shardvexz> Hello danecando!
[12:18] <ikonia> justanothernoob: vesa
[12:19] <Shardvexz> Hello bazhang!
[12:19] <justanothernoob> That's it, thanks
[12:19] <Shardvexz> Hello danecando!
[12:19] <bazhang> Shardvexz, bot?
[12:19] <ikonia> Shardvexz: you don't have to greet each person
[12:19] <Shardvexz> Hello Tjommi!
[12:19] <ikonia> Shardvexz: please don't do that
[12:19] <Grefor> i could use a little help confuguring my keyboard if anyone willing
[12:19] <bazhang> seems like a greeter bot/script
[12:19] <Shardvexz> Hello danecando!
[12:20] <Tjommi> hahah
[12:30] <will_wielder> hi anyone in here
[12:30]  * gas-sho shakes his head ;P
[12:32] <p3rror> how to remove access to a ssh user to mysql
[12:33] <p3rror> I need that my user will not be able to run mysql command line
[12:36] <Mathisen> p3rror edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config  | add line  DenyUsers usename,username,username
[12:38] <p3rror> Mathisen: I need that my user will not be able to run mysql
[12:38] <p3rror> Mathisen: /etc/ssh/sshd_config will block access to ssh
[12:43] <Mathisen> p3rror sorry missunderstood the question
[12:43] <broken-mind> hello
[12:45] <gr33n7007h> p3rror, give #mysql ago
[12:50] <ddt> Hello, can I limit ICMP with UFW in Ubuntu? I tried add rules for ICMP limit to after.rules or/and before.rules , but it didn't work.. Thanks
[12:51] <cfhowlett> !ufw
[12:56] <hikenboot> hi does anyone know if the ubuntu live cd is capabable of mounting an install and executing a shell into a ubuntu system built across multiple virtual drives for example / is /dev/sdb1 /boot is /dev/sda1 ...etc.etc
[12:56] <ikonia> hikenboot: that's just mounting the disks
[12:56] <ikonia> no problem there at all
[12:57] <hikenboot> No let me make it clear I am trying to repair the system
[12:57] <ikonia> yes, and it's not a problem to mount the disks and chroot into it
[12:58] <groszek> Hi. does anyone know how to set default filters for unity launcher? eg. i want to disable music, but enable calculator
[12:58] <hikenboot> but I would have to manually mount each disk as a directory then chroot into it right?
[12:58] <ikonia> hikenboot: correct
[12:58] <hikenboot> the simple chroot directions wont work am I correct...its more than that when its across multiple disks??? yes no?
[12:59] <ikonia> hikenboot: it makes no difference how many disks it's under
[13:00] <hikenboot_> sorry ikonia got disconnected will happen again bad connection..can you attempt to answer my last question before it happens again?
[13:00] <hikenboot_> sorry to be a bother
[13:01] <ikonia> hikenboot: it doesn't matter how many directories/disks your root is made up of, it has no impact or chroot
[13:01] <awestroke> How do I get icedtea in chromium-browser? I've tried both icedtea-6-plugin and icedtea-7-plugin, by symlinking into chrome's "plugins" folders, nothing works
[13:01] <hikenboot_> right but can I prebuild a /etc/fstab to do  it?
[13:01] <ikonia> hikenboot: you can mount anything in /etc/fstab
[13:02] <ikonia> although why you want to do that, I have no idea
[13:02] <hikenboot_> ikonia, simply because I am going to have to do this over and over again.
[13:05] <gebbione> hi all
[13:06] <gebbione> is there a good way to log all download request from a machine? for instance something like tcpdump to listen for requests to external resources?
[13:07] <awestroke> gebbione: for what purpose?
[13:07] <gebbione> i had a machine for which my hosting provider complaints that lots of data is being downloaded
[13:08] <gebbione> so i would like to get an insight in what might do that
[13:08] <gebbione> the machine is shared in the team
[13:08] <gebbione> awestroke,
[13:09] <awestroke> gebbione: check crontabs, you might have some infection
[13:09] <gebbione> no likely
[13:09] <gebbione> we have jenkins
[13:09] <awestroke> huh?
[13:09] <gebbione> but i have no clue on how to spot what job/process might download lots of stuff
[13:09] <gebbione> awestroke, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkins_(software)
[13:11] <Pici> gebbione: nethogs can provide realtime statistics of what processes are consuming the most bandwidth
[13:16] <arunpyasi> hi guys
[13:16] <arunpyasi> is there any script which can call a keystroke ?
[13:17] <vires> hi
[13:17] <vires> hi
[13:18] <arunpyasi> is there any script which can call a keystroke ?
[13:19] <jellow> arunpyasi, What are you trying to do? is this for a gui app?
[13:19] <arunpyasi> jellow: nope , I m wanting for bash script
[13:19] <arunpyasi> or python
[13:20] <legrandin> does anyone here know how to set the hostname of an ubuntu apache server
[13:20] <arunpyasi> jellow: I am wanting to do the work of f5 ie for refresh using a script
[13:20] <ThePhantomPhreak> xsendkey
[13:20] <Chaos_Zero> I was trying to install the sun gridengine package and some errors occurred. I think I fixed what was causing the errors, but even if I purge and install again, it will not give me the options screens that It did the first time I tried to install
[13:20] <Chaos_Zero> how can I reconfigure a package?
[13:21] <Grefor> dpkg-reconfigure?
[13:22] <Chaos_Zero> it gives one of the screens but not the rest... what I really want is to just delete all the options and start from scratch
[13:22] <six86> hello. For a few systems we want to have a keylogger recording every keystroke made (research systems where a lot of people are working on, to have a log/diary) but for remote access with teamviewer the keystrokes are not recorded, is there another solution than logkeys that is capable of logging everything?
[13:22] <Chaos_Zero> anything stronger then purge? =D
[13:22] <Grefor> that i wouldnt know
[13:22] <Grefor> sorry
[13:23] <ThePhantomPhreak> six86: That's an infrigment of privacy, I recommend you desist
[13:24] <Grefor> i was about to say the same
[13:24] <six86> ThePhantomPhreak: all people are informed and the keylogger will not be hidden at all. I feared that this would be the first answer I'm getting....
[13:25] <ThePhantomPhreak> six86: People will feel obliged to agree since it's at their workplace. Still a massive privacy violation
[13:25] <ThePhantomPhreak> six86: Please do not use Ubuntu for such a purpose, it's contrary to the philosophy of free software
[13:25] <six86> No it's not their workplace. These are isolated research machines.
[13:26] <six86> I'm just looking for a solution for the described proplem we have, it's not about a ethic discussion.
[13:26] <ThePhantomPhreak> six86: Please read https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
[13:27] <cfhowlett> six86 can't help you. sorry.
[13:27] <Grefor> uhm to be frank wasnt there a thing in ubuntu that would send all searches to amazon or something?
[13:27] <cfhowlett> !unity|Grefor
[13:28] <six86> ThePhantomPhreak: I don' get your point...  logkeys is GNU software, if not using for this purpose for what else?!
[13:28] <cfhowlett> Grefor still a FAR cry froma  key logger
[13:29] <jellow> six86,  There is xmacro (  apt-cache show xmacro ) , not sure if that would fit your needs.
[13:29] <ThePhantomPhreak> six86: It's intended for personal use, not for surveillance
[13:30] <Grefor> well atleast your keyboards work
[13:30] <Grefor> i cant get my layout right
[13:30] <six86> It is personal use, it is simply very helpful to have a diary of the embedded research machine. It's not like theres browsing or mails or something. Just configuration and setting up...
[13:30] <six86> but that's not what I want to discuss here.
[13:31] <m1dnight_> cant you just use the hist then for each user?
[13:31] <m1dnight_> or something like that
[13:31] <ThePhantomPhreak> That's how it starts, with benevolent intentions, until you're wiretapping someones phone
[13:31] <ThePhantomPhreak> The abuse of power is a slippery slope
[13:31] <Grefor> "road to hell is paved with good intentions"
[13:31] <jellow> !ot | ThePhantomPhreak
[13:33] <Grefor> anyone familiar with keyboard layout?
[13:34] <Grefor> question marks are dashes andquoyes its driving me nuts
[13:35] <m1dnight_> perhaps azerty?
[13:35] <m1dnight_> I'm working on azerty
[13:35] <m1dnight_> what does pressing 8 do?
[13:36] <Grefor> (
[13:36] <Grefor> mine qwert
[13:36] <Grefor> qwerty
[13:36] <m1dnight_> oh, okay then I can't help you
[13:36] <m1dnight_> I bet there are tools online that can tell you (like the installer for ubuntu)
[13:37] <six86> jellow: xmacro terribly slows down the mouse movement
[13:37] <Grefor> im using dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration but no luck thus far
[13:39] <nethlek> i need some help with my bluetooth headset (getting only static), am i in the right place?
[13:40] <cfhowlett> !bluetooth | nethlek
[13:41] <nethlek> no i got it set up alright, but for whatever reason im getting no sound out of it, only static noise
[13:42] <teaq> hello, can anyone help me out with installing fglrx drivers? something went wrong http://pastebin.com/SLp0xkEn
[13:43] <Laurenceb__> hi
[13:43] <Grefor> !keyboard | Grefor
[13:43] <Laurenceb__> can anyone help me connect to a windows printing system?
[13:44] <Laurenceb__> im struggling to work out what my username will be
[13:44] <Laurenceb__> ive connected to the print server, but its refusing my username
[13:44] <Laurenceb__> i suspect i need to add ad\\<username>
[13:45] <Laurenceb__> or something like that, does anyone know
[13:47] <jellow> six86, for what ever reason xmacrorec is buggy did you try xmacrorec2 ?
[13:49] <six86> jellow: Thats much better
[13:51] <jjavaholic> looking for a crocodile clips like program for linux will consider all suggestions
[13:52] <ThePhantomPhreak> jjavaholic: What is that?
[13:52] <Pici> jjavaholic: uh.. what would such a program do?
[13:52] <cfhowlett> "crocodile clips" ????
[13:52] <teaq> hello, can anyone help me out with installing fglrx drivers? something went wrong http://pastebin.com/SLp0xkEn
[13:53] <jjavaholic> it did alot, circuit diagram, PCB diagrams
[13:54] <jjavaholic> and testing
[13:54] <nethlek> uhm... hello? i still need help
[13:55] <ActionParsnip> jjavaholic: tried diag
[13:55] <ActionParsnip> !info diag
[13:55] <ActionParsnip> Hmm
[13:55] <cfhowlett> !info dia
[13:55] <nethlek> i cant get my bluetooth headset to work, all i get is static. reading the manual on how to set up a bluetooth device didnt help - its already set up, just not working
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> Thats it
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> Also
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> !info pcb
[13:56] <cfhowlett> ActionParsnip PCB sounds spot on for jjavaholic's request
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> Word
[13:56] <Pici> jjavaholic: geda looks good too, although I haven't used it myself.  It looks a bit like Eagle to me.
[13:57] <Pici> !info geda
[13:57] <jjavaholic> I always thought dia was mainly used for UML class diagrams.
[13:57] <Impossible> nethlek: strange, my bluetooth headset works and I just finished installing ubuntu... Only problem is the quality is terrible
[13:57] <nethlek> it took me a long time to even get that thing connected and even longer to have any sound come out of it at all, but static isnt what i was going for
[13:58] <ActionParsnip> nethlek: what is the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[13:58] <ActionParsnip> jjavaholic: try it, its free to try
[13:59] <nethlek> hang on, ill enter that into the terminal and copy&paste what happens
[13:59] <jellow> six86,  I was playing around with it, works very well. (xmacrorec2 > record)  then play back using (xmacroplay -d 60 "$DISPLAY" < record)
[13:59] <nethlek> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=0f394d86625056fa772e982ca5868f9d75113adf
[13:59] <nethlek> gave me this link
[14:01] <six86> jellow: It goes in the right direction. I just would have to find a way to have it running in background and the thing with the Stop Key is a problem because it can only be a single key. In my scenario i don't want to get the recording stopped if someone pressed the key
[14:02] <six86> The easiest way would be logkeys, if it would be able to log everything and not just the hardware keyboard
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> nethlek: 13.10 is EOL next month. You may want to consider upgrading, either online or via a clean install
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> !away > Ilyes512|Away
[14:05] <nethlek> what does EOL mean? and i've heard 14 is breaking a lot of features and that vlc media isnt working with it, so right now, i rather stay here
[14:06] <ThePhantomPhreak> End of Life - unsupported, will no longer receive security/bug fixes
[14:06] <nethlek> k
[14:07] <jellow> six86, you can define an exit key with the -k parameter ,  xmacrorec2 -k 24 > record ( for the letter q to exit ). Would not be hard to disable re-enable a key although not perfect
[14:08] <nethlek> still, im just trying to get my headset to work. i only have a few more days to decide whether i keep  or return it, but without knowing the sound quality, i cant really make that decision
[14:09] <nethlek> did the file on alsa-project.com yield any answers?
[14:15] <nethlek> uhm... hello?
[14:15] <cfhowlett> nethlek your question is seen ... patience
[14:17] <nethlek> alright, alright, i've never been here before; don't know how you guys handle it. just wanted to make sure i didnt get forgotten
[14:17] <cfhowlett> !patience > nethlek
[14:19] <nethlek> how do i see private messages
[14:19] <ThePhantomPhreak> They should just appear in your IRC client, usually in a new tab
[14:20] <cfhowlett> nethlek depends on your IRC client
[14:20] <nethlek> using xchat
[14:20] <The0x539> though some bad clients show it in-channel
[14:20] <cfhowlett> nethlek new tab
[14:20] <nethlek> i got it
[14:20] <The0x539> but generally it's a tab similar, but not identical, to a channel
[14:20] <The0x539> k
[14:25] <nethlek> bbl, hopefully i dont get timed out
[14:31] <m1dnight_> which music player do you guys recommend for huge libraries? I have my music seperated in folders properly
[14:31] <m1dnight_> and the tags are somehwat in order
[14:31] <m1dnight_> if I can ask here :)
[14:31] <m1dnight_> I tried clementine but it seems a bit outdated
[14:32] <awestroke> m1dnight_: the clementine version in ubuntu repos is outdated, try the version from the website
[14:32] <m1dnight_> oh okay
[14:32] <m1dnight_> will do
[14:33] <ThePhantomPhreak> When aren't the repos outdated? :'(
[14:33] <m1dnight_> yes indeed, Eclipse for example
[14:33] <m1dnight_> it's antique almost
[14:33] <m1dnight_> I wonder why that is
[14:34] <marrio> heloo
[14:35] <marrio> i have a qestion please help me
[14:35] <cfhowlett> !ask|marrio
[14:35] <ThePhantomPhreak> marrio: One sec, activating my telepathy device
[14:35] <infinity1> !patience
[14:36] <genii> marrio: Best to just ask your question to the channel and then see if someone takes up an answer
[14:37] <marrio> i hame call of duty mw3 the prob is not running wery good on my ubuntu
[14:37] <marrio> the grafic is wery bad
[14:37] <marrio> whay
[14:37] <marrio> but on my windows is runing wery good
[14:39] <marrio> please sombody help
[14:40] <Weeper> how can i get UBUNTU printed Tshirt for free?
[14:40] <Weeper> :)
[14:40] <genii> marrio: The simplest answer is: It's not written for Ubuntu, but for Windows. So it will never work on Ubuntu the same way it works on Windows
[14:40] <m1dnight_> Weeper: you get the fucking software for free. Pay for the shirt. I did as well.
[14:40] <marrio> my game is running wery bad whay?
[14:40] <cfhowlett> marrio exactomundo
[14:41] <genii> m1dnight_: Language, please
[14:41] <m1dnight_> Weeper: It's a cheap shirt and the quality is awesome
[14:41] <m1dnight_> sorry genii
[14:41] <cfhowlett> "shirt"?  definitely not an ubuntu issue
[14:41] <Scratchy> Hello everybody
[14:41] <m1dnight_> "ubuntu wear", why not?
[14:41] <Weeper> m1dnight :)
[14:42] <cfhowlett> Weeper "no free shirt" but you can download the logo's and get it printed yourself.
[14:42] <Scratchy> First time on Irssi through SSH :) Im a happy camper
[14:42] <genii> Weeper: Why not just save some money and buy one from the Ubuntu Shop, or else have it made locally by a t-shirt printing company.
[14:42] <Scratchy> kinda cool getting and giving all the support I need through IRC ... happy that it is still alive
[14:43] <marrio> my game is running very bad  please help
[14:43] <Weeper> does have worldwide delivery?
[14:43] <m1dnight_> Weeper: I bought it from Belgium, so probably yes
[14:44] <Pici> marrio: are you using Wine to play?
[14:44] <marrio> yes
[14:44] <m1dnight_> Weeper: the site (shop.canonical.com) says it is worlwide
[14:44] <Pici> marrio: Look in the Wine appdb, and ask in #winehq
[14:44] <marrio> on windows is running no prob and on ubuntu not
[14:44] <cfhowlett> marrio your game is written for windows.  WINE only approximates windows.
[14:45] <robynata> steam is good one
[14:45] <cfhowlett> !wine > marrio
[14:46] <marrio> the grafic card is running wery bad probably because is windows game
[14:47] <cfhowlett> marrio ask in #winehq.  not an ubuntu problem
[14:48] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[14:48] <marrio> ok guys
[14:48] <Weeper> m1dnight_  tell me something about quality t-shirt?
[14:48] <cfhowlett> CREEEPEREXPLOSIV please stop.  a simple "hello"
[14:48] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> hello
[14:49] <m1dnight_> Weeper: the quality of the t-shirt is excellent. Its soft. So soft I want to cuddle it all day. (Seriously, very soft) and the print is very thick so it'll last a long time
[14:49] <m1dnight_> worth its money twice or three times
[14:49] <m1dnight_> period.
[14:49] <m1dnight_> and you get to support ubuntu \o/
[14:49]  * m1dnight_ is gonna shut up because he doesnt want to be told he's off-topic-ing again
[14:50] <Weeper> m1dnight_ how musch cost shipping from shop.canonical.com?
[14:50] <Weeper> i'm from Bosnia and Herzegovina
[14:50] <robynata> :-S  my ubuntu verry smooth and beutifull
[14:51] <robynata> never get problem from 14.04 alpha:-*
[14:51] <m1dnight_> Weeper: Order your shirt and they will tell you on checkout before you pay. But just because I'm so nice I checked it out for you and it's 6 pounds (10 dollars perhaps?)
[14:52] <ThePhantomPhreak> Weeper: Sorry you lost the football
[14:55] <atul> hey any facebook chat application for ubuntu..plz except empathy
[14:55] <Beldar> Weeper, It's ah beautiful tee shirt I'm sure however we are not assoc with canonical, but volunteers on ubuntu support. ;)
[14:59] <bcvery> !pidgin | atul
[15:00] <one23> hello! i have a problem here. if you are kind. trying to make vncserver up and runing i followed a tutorial and give some commands in terminal. one of them, maybe this one: sudo apt-get install gnome-core gnome-session-fallback changed the whole interface, stuff like icons. i have 14. do you know how do i get back to default interface? i have the link to the tutorial
[15:00] <atul> ubottu: thnks will
[15:00] <archonel> hello, need some help i have a software in python which is supposed to open sockets but it seems its being limited to 1024
[15:01] <archonel> i have set ulimit to 65k
[15:01] <archonel> i see in "/proc/4695/" no more than 1024  folders
[15:01] <archonel> anybody have an idea ?
[15:02] <archonel> ulimit -n = 65535
[15:02] <atul> dont know
[15:02] <linuxuz3r> gparted doesnt support hfs?
[15:02] <atul> ping www.google.com
[15:02] <The0x539> you're doing it wrong
[15:02] <reddit-sysadmin> >.>
[15:02] <The0x539> 2001:4860:4860::8888
[15:04] <archonel> anyone ?
[15:04] <archonel> :)
[15:05] <m1dnight_> archonel: not to be rue, but I found a few hits on SO using Google
[15:05] <m1dnight_> there seems to be an OS limit imposed
[15:05] <m1dnight_> "for linux: cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max"[1~
[15:05] <archonel> m1dnight_, i know, i googled this 2 weeks and tried everything
[15:05] <grodt> whats up fellers
[15:05] <archonel> /proc/sys/fs/file-max = 2451228
[15:06] <m1dnight_> strange
[15:06] <m1dnight_> and ulimit -a?
[15:06] <archonel> ulimit -n = 65535
[15:06] <archonel> want me to paste -a ?
[15:06] <Scratchy> So anybody from Cork ?
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[15:06] <unopaste> atul you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[15:06] <bcvery> !ot | Scratchy
[15:07] <archonel> i used to use CentOS and switched to Ubuntu since i heard its better (faster) under load
[15:07] <Beldar> linuxuz3r, This a windows or apple computer?
[15:07] <archonel> but i got stuck here and everybody is on my case :(
[15:07] <linuxuz3r> apple
[15:07] <atul> ubuntu
[15:07] <atul> _|_
[15:07] <Monosol> Hey everyone. I've been trying to get my Realtek 8723BE wireless card to work with ubuntu. So far, it hasn't happened with any drivers I've tried.
[15:08] <gas-sho> :/
[15:08] <Beldar> !mac | linuxuz3r this should start you
[15:08] <archonel> besides limit and file-max what else can limit the nr of open files ?
[15:08] <grodt> anyone here work with avionics
[15:08] <atul> dfj
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[15:08] <atul> ssl
[15:08] <atul> sd
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[15:08] <unopaste> atul you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[15:10] <m1dnight_> archonel: I'm not sure anymore.
[15:10] <m1dnight_> Let me google a bit
[15:10] <Beldar> grodt, Can you get to the actual issue?
[15:10] <m1dnight_> archonel: so it is Python that gives you an error "too many open files" ?
[15:11] <grodt> I wanted to know what would be the best way for a user to load files onto an ubuntu media server
[15:11] <grodt> the easiest way
[15:11] <holstein> grodt: depends..
[15:11] <m1dnight_> something like ftp grodt ?
[15:11] <archonel> m1dnight_, exactly
[15:11] <holstein> grodt: locally with a filemanager, if possible would be fast.. ssh on a network.. depends on many factors
[15:12] <m1dnight_> archonel: I'm not sure, but perhaps it's due to the user?
[15:12] <m1dnight_> Have you tried running it as root?
[15:12] <m1dnight_> (Im just guessing here..)
[15:12] <archonel> no
[15:12] <archonel> the user has the limit set to "65535"
[15:13] <grodt> holstein: m1dnight_  hmm the user would be typically a 50-60 year old who would not be familiar with ssh
[15:13] <m1dnight_> hahahaha
[15:13] <m1dnight_> I mean user in terms of linux users
[15:13] <grodt> its for owners of business jet aircraft
[15:13] <holstein> 17:00 < archonel> hello, need some help i have a software in python which is supposed to open sockets but it seems its being limited to 1024 .. this is your question?
[15:13] <m1dnight_> that's the one
[15:13] <archonel> holstein, yes
[15:14] <red45923> hi guys - looking for howto use mp3 files i have on my ubuntu box to make an audio cd that would play in a car etc something for a dumbo would be perfect :)
[15:14] <holstein> grodt: the user will have to be "familiar" with whatever method you intend them to communicate with the server
[15:14] <archonel> holstein, have any ideas ?
[15:14] <Beldar> !brasero | red45923 an app
[15:14] <holstein> archonel: sure. ask the creator/maintainer of the software
[15:14] <Beldar> !info braseo | red45923
[15:15] <red45923> ah cool I have brasero already - so that does the trick?
[15:15] <holstein> grodt: why not just let them keep the files locally on the machine? whats the goal of the media server? i argue, introducing a server for that user may be overkill
[15:15] <archonel> holstein, its a custom software developed in python, which gives an error "too many open files"
[15:15] <Beldar> !info brasero
[15:15] <Beldar> red45923, ^^^^^
[15:15] <holstein> archonel: sure.. ask the creators/maintainers for support for the applications
[15:15] <archonel> holstein, they say its an OS limit, that is why i am asking here
[15:16] <Beldar> red45923, heh, yeah you can burn cd's there
[15:16] <m1dnight_> archonel: have you tried this: https://coderwall.com/p/ptq7rw
[15:16] <archonel> holstein, like somehow ubuntu is limiting the user to 1024 files
[15:16] <grodt> holstein: they have movies on laptop for exmaple, but want to load files on to media server so it can stream to wifi devices like phones and tablets
[15:16] <red45923> thanks Beldar that is cool
[15:16] <holstein> archonel: ubuntu is not preventing or limiting anything in python
[15:16] <m1dnight_> (mind that the script is run as root, so that's what I meant earlier)
[15:16] <holstein> archonel: are you meeting the requirements the creator has?
[15:17] <holstein> grodt: they can stream them from the laptop as a server.. but, you will need to show them *some* method to put the files on a server, or stream them
[15:17] <Beldar> red45923, I hit edit and turn off the md5sum check though, it saves time, at least on images.
[15:17] <archonel> holstein, yes i am meeting the requirements,  but i se dint he pid folder for this app
[15:17] <holstein> grodt: ssh is a viable option.. ftp.. or samba
[15:17] <holstein> !samba
[15:17] <archonel> holstein, no more than 1024 files
[15:17] <holstein> grodt: all of which have a learning curve
[15:18] <grodt> cool beans thanks
[15:18] <archonel> holstein, its like somehow ubuntu is limiting the nr of concurrent files to 1024
[15:18] <holstein> 17:17 < archonel> holstein, yes i am meeting the requirements,  but i se dint he pid folder for this app - please try again with this sentence
[15:19] <archonel> holstein, sorry, i went into the PID folder "/proc/4695/fd" and using ls -l | wc -l many times, i could not see a number bigger than 1024
[15:19] <holstein> archonel: you can ask in a python community as well.. or a general linux or programming community
[15:21] <archonel> holstein, i did and they blamed it on the operating system :) that is limiting the application form opening more than 1024 sockets
[15:21] <Blaster> Is there any way to sync music from Ubuntu to iPhone?
[15:21] <ThePhantomPhreak> archonel: They're correct, you need to set the limit higher
[15:21] <Grefor> is there a tool that can visualise keymaps?
[15:21] <Blaster> Why does it have to be so complicated to do so?  I don't want to jailbreak my phone to do that.
[15:21] <holstein> archonel: test and confirm that it *is* limiting or not
[15:21] <red45923> Beldar, thx for the tip
[15:21] <Beldar> Blaster, Like a auto sync?
[15:22] <archonel> ThePhantomPhreak, where can i increase the lints, i tried "/etc/security/limits.conf " and /proc/sys/fs/file-max
[15:22] <archonel> am I missing something ?
[15:22] <Beldar> red45923, np
[15:22] <holstein> archonel: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7997012/python-asyncore-filedescriptor-out-of-range-in-select
[15:22] <VRMac|Work> Does anyone here use optimus?
[15:23] <ThePhantomPhreak> Blaster: Tried Banshee? http://banshee.fm/
[15:23] <holstein> VRMac|Work: i have in the past.. i dont use that hardware anymore though
[15:23] <Beldar> VRMac|Work, Address the actual issue for help. ;)
[15:23] <Blaster> I just wanna get some new music on there.  Haven't been able to since I switched from Windows to Ubuntu.
[15:23] <Blaster> Really missing iTunes.
[15:23] <archonel> the programmers claims the software is using "Twisted."
[15:23] <holstein> Blaster: nothing about ubuntu is preventing apple from making that process easy for you in ubuntu/linux
[15:23] <VRMac|Work> Well, I'm trying to get some help at http://askubuntu.com/questions/484097/no-devices-found-when-trying-to-use-nvidia-gpu but the only guy delivering information is absolutely dense.
[15:24] <Beldar> Blaster, you have not said what you have tried so we start here. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[15:24] <holstein> Blaster: there are limitations you agreed to when purchasing the device.. i personally suggest trying to address this by sharing and sending information and date bewtween the iphone and your machine on the network
[15:24] <KwaaiWolf> hey
[15:25] <ThePhantomPhreak> Blaster: iPhone compatibility is best with OS X, I suggest purchasing a Mac. Apple products tend to play nicely together
[15:25] <holstein> Blaster: i have used an ftp server on an ipad before to access data from whatever os i choose.. there are other applicaions, such as dropbox, that can do this for you, if you are comfortable using them
[15:25] <archonel> holstein, we are using twisted already
[15:26] <Blaster> I can access the data on the iPhone, it mounts like a drive, but when I drag music on there, it's not recognized.  You have to use iTunes or something to sync it properly.
[15:26] <holstein> archonel: sure, friend.. just know that nothing in ubuntu is preventing you from running that application, and configuring your machine to use it, as you please
[15:26] <holstein> Blaster: correct. thats the agreement you have entered with apple. that you will use itunes
[15:27] <holstein> Blaster: they (apple) are free to release itunes for linux or whatever they choose.. but, they (apple) didnt promise you could use the iphone with linux/ubuntu.. you can find workarounds
[15:27] <VRMac|Work> iPhones have never played nice with any GNU+Linux in my experience.
[15:27] <holstein> Blaster: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[15:27] <archonel> holstein, well technically that is not true, ulimit or /proc/sys/fs/file-max can limit the number of open files, my question was more like are there any other places where a no pen file limit could be enforce in Ubuntu ?
[15:27] <Blaster> Half the time I plug my iPhone in, Ubuntu completely freezes :D
[15:28] <holstein> archonel: technically, it *is* true.. you can configure your os as you please
[15:28] <holstein> archonel: if you are editing the config as the creator intends, and its not working, it seems to me like the os is *not* the issue
[15:28] <archonel> holstein, you are right :)
[15:28] <Blaster> holstein, thanks for the link
[15:29] <daftykins> Blaster: i would too if someone put an iPhone near me
[15:29] <archonel> holstein, so there are just those 2 places where the OS could restrict me from opening more files ?
[15:29] <blizzow> Does anyone else here have an intel 7260 wireless card and run 14.04?
[15:29] <holstein> archonel: what would i do? ask the creator what os i am intended to use, and grab a live CD for that OS, and try and get to the bottom of what *exactly* the issue is.. from that situation, i feel i would learn to use the app with ubuntu
[15:29] <holstein> archonel: ubuntu is *not* resctricting anything, friend
[15:29] <daftykins> blizzow: tends to be better to just ask the actual question
[15:29] <Blaster> daftykins, I guess you're allergic to superior hardware, and extremely intuitive software?
[15:30] <holstein> archonel: it will depend on what the app is doing, and needs, as to how you will need to configure whatever OS you are using
[15:30] <blizzow> I want to claw my eyes out because of the network stability issues I have with 14.04 and the 7260 card.
[15:30] <daftykins> Blaster: oooooh dear. i'm not touching that convo with a bargepole
[15:30] <Beldar> blizzow, No comment on what you have tried, peruse here while waiting, http://askubuntu.com/search?q=14.04+intel+7260+
[15:30] <archonel> holstein, if i have the "ulimit -n set  to 1000" for user xxx running the app , that app will not opene more than 1000 sockets
[15:30] <ThePhantomPhreak> Blaster: If you like Apple devices so much, why do you not just use OS X with your phone? Asking genuinely, as I mostly use it rather than Linux
[15:31] <blizzow> daftykins: I've been pretty thorough with those threads.
[15:31] <holstein> archonel: i understand that you are reading that from the developer, but you and i do not know that that is the only issue, friend
[15:31] <archonel> holstein, the problem is that i have set it to 65k and still i can not get more than 1024 open files ( the app opens sockets to remote servers) and it seems i can not open more than 1024
[15:31] <daftykins> blizzow: that wasn't me.
[15:31] <Blaster> ThePhantomPhreak,  because I'm not really fond of OSX, I like iOS though.
[15:31]  * Beldar chuckles
[15:31] <holstein> archonel: why do you have it set to 65k?
[15:32] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> hola
[15:32] <archonel> holstein, a random MAX number 65535
[15:32] <Beldar> !es | CREEEPEREXPLOSIV
[15:32] <blizzow> Hence, I have come here to vent about ubuntu saying the intel 7260 wireless is certified hardware for 14.04 (an LTS no less) yet there are boatloads of people experiencing difficulty staying connected.
[15:32] <holstein> archonel: dont set anything randomy.. configure *exactly* as the manufacturer intends
[15:32] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> lla he vueltttttoooooooooooooo¡
[15:32] <holstein> randomly*
[15:33] <blizzow> As you can see, I just got f&&**** bounced ;)
[15:33] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> hi
[15:33] <Beldar> blizzow, Do not vent here, no emotion please, this is support not your therapist
[15:34] <holstein> blizzow: could be intel might actually get involved.. have you tried?
[15:35] <holstein> blizzow: the ubuntu certified setup doesnt mean the manufacturer has promised linux support.. its just that a few volunteers have tried to make sure we konw about the level of support
[15:35] <archonel> holstein, in conclusion we want to open more than 1000 connections, and python gives us an error "too many open files" >> the developer said we should increase the Openfile limit in our OS, nothing specific
[15:36] <holstein> archonel: ask themm for something specific
[15:36] <holstein> archonel: nothing in ubuntu is preventing, nor, specifically able to arbitrarily facilitate support for that application
[15:37] <holstein> archonel: ask *specifically* what you are intende to do to run the application they support.. unless they do not provide support for the application
[15:37] <m1dnight_> archonel: Have you tried the script I linked you?
[15:37] <Pici> holstein: actually Ubuntu Certified means that Canonical has actually tested that hardware and has certified that it works well on Ubuntu.
[15:37] <Pici> holstein: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/
[15:38] <holstein> Pici: then who is responsible? becuase there *is* breakage
[15:38] <holstein> Pici: where should blizzow go for support?
[15:39] <Monosol> Does anyone in the channel run the latest version with the Realtek8723BE card provided by Clevo/Lenovo?
[15:39] <Pici> holstein: I don't know... /me checks
[15:40] <Pici> holstein: although the cerfiication pages do say that 12.04 is the reference release they are testing against... I wonder if that has anything to do with the issues
[15:40] <holstein> Pici: i'll PM you about it?
[15:41] <Beldar> Monosol, https://www.google.com/search?q=Realtek+8723BE+ubuntu&hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&gbv=1&sa=X&as_q=&spell=1&ei=CRCfU8fjOZL5oAT0ioDQAg&ved=0CBEQBSgA  I see a bug and threads here.
[15:41] <Pici> holstein: I'm poking some people about it...
[15:42] <Beldar> seems to be 14.04 problem per askubuntu
[15:43] <Pici> blizzow: Not sure if you saw above, but it looks like Ubuntu Certified hardware has been tested against 12.04, not 14.04.  I'm looking for clarification on how bugs for that should be filed though.
[15:43] <Soapy> hi
[15:44] <Soapy> Im running Ubuntu on a virtual box installation on findows
[15:44] <Soapy> is there a way to tell if my root password is wrong?
[15:44] <ThePhantomPhreak> Soapy: Yes, it won't let you login
[15:44] <Pici> Soapy: There is no root password by default.
[15:44] <Beldar> Soapy, root password or user password?
[15:44] <Soapy> soap@Testapta:~$ su root
[15:44] <Soapy> Password:
[15:44] <Soapy> su: Authentication failure
[15:45] <Soapy> is what i get with any attempted password
[15:45] <Soapy> so that means the passsword is wrong?
[15:45] <Pici> !root | Soapy
[15:45] <Beldar> Soapy, Try to post all in ine line please
[15:45] <Beldar> one*
[15:45] <blizzow> Pici, I did miss some of the above because I was getting disconnected from my wireless.  Strangely, when I google "7260 ubuntu certified" the third entry is a Luanchpad bug saying "no intel wireless 7260 suport on 12.04.03"
[15:48] <holstein> blizzow: you did find a bug report?
[15:49] <Soapy> ok thanks thats complicated it works though
[15:49] <blizzow> holstein: I did tack onto another bug report already.
[15:50] <holstein> blizzow: thats really the "Best" course of action.. if you can find a bug tracker at intel, i would use that as well.. as far upstream as possible.. even with debian if possible
[15:50] <Beldar> Soapy, You want to be aware tat ubuntu is not designed to be run in root, it's not debian and others that do easily, you can mess up permissions....etc
[15:50] <Beldar> that*
[15:51] <blizzow> holstein: yeah... well pushing forth to the 3.14 kernel does not seem to have fixed my issue :(
[15:52] <holstein> blizzow: may not.. though, following up with the bug reports would be the "best" way to get a patch, assuming one can be applied or is available..
[15:52] <Soapy> ok thanks
[15:52] <Beldar> Guest66217, you are root and your IP is showing, not a safe use
[15:53] <Nixilus> yar
[15:55] <Nixilus> quick question, I am using linux heavily for the first time really... when I download and build a program from source, is there a general convention on where programs are stored on linux(ubuntu in particular),... say var, /home/user, /etc/ ? just not sure as im relatively new to this
[15:55] <Beldar> Nixilus, Not really, and be sure you are not building what may already be in the repos
[15:56] <Nixilus> glibc for valgrind
[15:56] <blizzow> holstein: I agree on the procedure, it's just extraordinarily disappointing to see such a busted LTS release with no real solution. :(
[15:56] <Nixilus> ?
[15:56] <Nixilus> for C debuging
[15:56] <Nixilus> when you 'update' it should already update the repos right?
[15:57] <Beldar> Nixilus, THe ones ticked on yes
[15:57] <daftykins> blizzow: i like that a hardware issue leads you to blame the OS
[15:57] <daftykins> not say, the component maker for their Linux drivers
[15:58] <holstein> blizzow: sure. but, think of it like this.. the entire lts is *not* busted in any way.. its just that specific hardware (and other hardware, of course).. it could be that its just a revision of that hardware.. hardware suupport is challenging, and you were not promised linux support from intel
[15:59] <Beldar> changing another's opinions when based on some core value is a waste of time
[16:00] <Nixilus> Ok so I am planning to just have programs installed in my /home/user/ ... thats ok? also when you run apt-get update, that updates repos? repos are consolidated resource to install things via apt-get install right? so If what Im looking for is not in repos. to curl and compile something from source is just as easy as anything else? thanks in advance for the input
[16:02] <cipher__> I added a new entry to sources.list for mongo, and specified version =2.6.1 when installing, yet my mongo shell version displays 2.4.8 every time (which is specified in the Packages file) ?
[16:02] <daftykins> Nixilus: the whole point of a package manged OS is to get packages where possible, sometimes you may find PPAs instead for packages you want though, yes
[16:02] <Nixilus> sorry for the detailed questions... i just dont want to be one of those ppl who just "use" ubuntu, I want to understand it better, especially because im trying to learn C... the hard way
[16:02] <Beldar> Nixilus, Ubuntu has multiple repos, not one, some may be on or off in your sources.list
[16:02] <cipher__> i purged and reinstalled
[16:03] <daftykins> cipher__: if "apt-cache showpkg <package>" reports a specific version after "apt-get update", that's the version that'll go on. perhaps the priority order of your repos is wrong, or maybe the repo you added isn't right for your system.
[16:03] <daftykins> cipher__: you're aware that edits to sources.list are considered in the order they appear in the file?
[16:03] <Beldar> cipher__, ppa's and 3rd party repos and there apps are not supported here technically
[16:05] <Nixilus> to your knowledge Is Valgrind and glibc (valgrind dependancy) in a repository? I want to make sure not just missing something >_<
[16:05] <Pici> Nixilus: valgrind is definitely in the repositories
[16:05] <cipher__> daftykins: "Provides: 2.6.2 2.6.1" etc
[16:05] <Nixilus> damn
[16:05] <Nixilus> sorry
[16:05] <cipher__> it doesn't even list 2.4.8
[16:05] <blizzow> holstein: and daftykins, I'm not blaming the lack of HW support.  I am also not saying the LTS distro is broken.  I am saying there is something busted in the ubuntu methodology of releasing an "LTS" that has such a major regression in it.
[16:05] <Nixilus> im doing something wrong then
[16:06] <Beldar> Nixilus, In your reasoning you have your horse following your cart.
[16:06] <cipher__> Beldar: well, i prefer mid engines myself
[16:07] <Beldar> cipher__, bicycle here
[16:07] <daftykins> blizzow: right, which is a claim you can't support because you don't know where the issue lies?
[16:07] <holstein> blizzow: but, the lts, and all other aspects of linux/ubuntu are open, and its open for the creators and vendors of the hardware to get involved and provide support.. which is what we are seeing more often.. at the end of the day, the creators didnt promise you linux support, so you must be comfortable providing it yourself
[16:07] <cipher__> Actually, when i just installed (again), it showed 2.6.2 and 2.6.1 as installing
[16:07] <cipher__> yet the shell is displaying 2.4.8
[16:08] <daftykins> cipher__: likely it has installed under a slightly different name then
[16:08] <blizzow> daftykins: I'm pretty sure I know the issue lies in the kernel/firmware choice the ubuntu devs made.
[16:08] <daftykins> blizzow: firmware provided by intel you mean?
[16:09] <blizzow> holstein: the certification process is not something that I as the end user hardware purchaser can take part in.
[16:10] <Nixilus> so apt-cache showpkg valgrind     will allow me to search the repos for the right package then
[16:10] <holstein> blizzow: when you bought that hardware, a company paid a group of professionals to test and provide support for a certain operating system.. when you decide to use a different, and unsupported operating system, you are taking that responsibility on
[16:10] <invincea_> using crontab i want to just "visit" a url, would i do that? i have a script that needs to be run every few minutes
[16:10] <Nixilus> got it
[16:10] <Nixilus> cool
[16:11] <invincea_> wget?
[16:11] <Nixilus> must have mis-spelled it the first time
[16:11] <Nixilus> >_<
[16:11] <daftykins> invincea_: or curl
[16:11] <iptable> invincea_, "just visit url"?
[16:11] <Pici> Nixilus: just using apt-get install valgrind will install it, or use apt-cache search valgrind to look for packages that match that.
[16:11] <Beldar> Nixilus, Open software sources and make sure you have the appropriate repos open.
[16:11] <iptable> invincea_, use wget. wget http://www.google.co.uk/
[16:11] <daftykins> Nixilus: you can always use graphical package managers too
[16:11] <blizzow> daftykins: you mean the multiple working versions that exist at wireless.kernel.org?  Yes, the ubuntu dev and release team had the opportunity to test with and choose a functioning version before releasing an "LTS".
[16:12] <holstein> blizzow: it can be a different revision as well.. which could have a different chipset.. the manufacturer would only need to release a different windows driver to support all the different revisions, and be compliant with the agreement they have
[16:13] <daftykins> blizzow: that topic aside, since it seems we can't sway you from your inaccurate opinion on who to blame... it's interesting that that card should give trouble as i believe system76 sell laptops with 14.04 64-bit installed with that card
[16:14] <Beldar> externalizing blame is a core value, it will not be changed here, stop helping them
[16:14] <Blaster> Anyone know of a video card that supports 3 video outputs and is well supported by Ubuntu?
[16:16] <iptable> blizzow, the features of your buggy card are well supported :P
[16:17] <Nixilus> ho man, thanks for all the hlep, Ive used ubuntu ("plebily") in the past but never really took time to understand it or learn command definitions tried to learn C++ on Windows. A friend finally told me "No, Terabad! use linux and dont depend on IDEs.... he pointed me to http://c.learncodethehardway.org/book/ ... lol.. Im finally having to kick it up into a higher gear >_<
[16:17] <philinux> SWAP - is there anything more up to date than this anywhere > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[16:18] <Beldar> philinux, what is your end goal?
[16:18] <daftykins> philinux: things in that regard don't change much
[16:18] <holstein> blizzow: i like the system76 idea above.. i would think, assuming that *is* the exact hardware revision, they (system76) would respond to an email about the device
[16:19] <iptable> blizzow, the card works, what is your exact problem? most people who complain about their wireless cards find at the end that the cards did not work well with their AP, changing the access point to another make/model resolves most people's issues (after hours of arguing that "it can't be that, works with my phone")
[16:19] <philinux> Beldar;~  daftykins Most machines have much more ram and larger disks than in the faq. It's well out of date now
[16:19] <blizzow> daftykins: you say I should blame intel, or the linux kernel devs for the LTS kernel and firmware choice when there are versions of the firmware and kernel that work fine?
 philinux, what is your end goal?
[16:19] <daftykins> blizzow: i really don't care who you blame, just as long as we don't have to hear about it in here.
[16:20] <philinux> Beldar;~ to find up to date info
[16:20] <Beldar> if you stop answering them they will go away or get quited or banned
[16:20] <Beldar> quieted
[16:21] <iptable> is ndiswrapper still under development?
[16:21] <Beldar> philinux, Sounds like OCD swap is swap not much to really know to be honest.
[16:21] <holstein> iptable: AFAIK
[16:22] <iptable> intel 7260 with ndiswrapper then if problems otherwise
[16:23] <philinux> Beldar;~ peeps ask me about swap. I refer them to the faq's and they say but I have 8 gig ram etc etc
[16:23] <Beldar> philinux, 8 0r 1000 no difference in use
[16:24] <philinux> Beldar;~ there is if its a small ssd and they want to hibernate etc etc
[16:24] <Beldar> philinux, swappiness is probably the key here.
[16:24] <iptable> philinux, do you want to support hibernation on your machine? Then your whole RAM needs to fit in swap + some space for stuff that gets swapped out normally if not used for a while. Rule of thumb would be 1.5xRAM. So for 8GB RAM 12GB SWAP should be fine.
[16:25] <Beldar> philinux, well known equal to ram or slightly larger
[16:25] <iptable> philinux, alternatively, if you want to use SWAP for hibernation only, turn swappiness down to 0 and have swap the size of RAM (+ a few bytes just in case)
[16:25] <Beldar> iptable, 0 is not exactly correct
[16:25] <blizzow> iptable: I'm using multiple cisco aironet 2600 series APs connected to a cisco wireless lan controller.  None of my connection issues happened until I upgraded to the latest version of ubuntu.  After the upgrade, I can't even connect to an airport express access point.
[16:26] <tyrel_> hello
[16:26] <iptable> Beldar, vm.swappiness = 0 	The kernel will swap only to avoid an out of memory condition
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> tyrel_: welcome
[16:26] <Beldar> i'ts not that exacting at that numerical value it will swap still
[16:26] <tyrel_> mucking around in ubuntu, not sure what i'm doing
[16:27] <iptable> blizzow, try ndiswrapper and report back.
[16:27] <Beldar> iptable, If you read up on this 0 is never suggested is all.
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> tyrel_: this is the right place for an ubuntu question :p
[16:27] <iptable> Beldar, well, 0 works on my laptop perfect. 16GB of RAM, I don't care about swap. having said that hibernation takes so long, I don't do that either
[16:28] <Beldar> iptable, Ah, works for you, cool, but do the research if you help here is all. ;)
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> iptable: ive set swappiness on 10 (for my ssd)
[16:29] <iptable> Beldar, researching and any OOM issues with swappiness are onloy quotes for 2.x kernels. none for 3.x where behaviour changed
[16:29] <iptable> lotuspsychje, I don't have ssd. It's a laptop with 1 2TB HDD
[16:29] <Beldar> mindless ego jousting geez
[16:30] <iptable> Beldar, well I'm more than happy to never advise people to put it to 0 if you can give me a link for that.
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> iptable: http://askubuntu.com/questions/103915/how-do-i-configure-swappiness
[16:34] <iptable> lotuspsychje, so swappiness 10 is about 80-90% full RAM. Well, with 4GB of RAM I would probably consider that actually. With 16GB of RAM, if I run out of RAM, I am doing something wrong.
[16:34] <theseb> help! I woke up this mornin and all my icons are numbered and there is a "t" on my trash can...what gives?
[16:34] <theseb> is this preschool mode i just activated? :)
[16:34] <iptable> theseb, uhm, as in the icons have small numbeers on them?
[16:34] <Beldar> !details | theseb
[16:34] <theseb> iptable: YES!
[16:35] <iptable> theseb, nice effect.
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> iptable: i just tweak as much as i possibly can, on recommended settings so swappiness 10 works for me
[16:36] <theseb> ubottu, Beldar, iptable: see http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2014-06-16_11_34_58-iUrS1Utd.png  ..is this a new "feature" ?
[16:36] <ana_> Hey, can someone help me to get google chrome to autostart on initial boot?
[16:36] <daftykins> lol
[16:36] <daftykins> theseb: press left alt
[16:36] <holstein> ana_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/459277/how-do-i-make-a-program-auto-start-everytime-i-log-in-in-ubuntu-14-04
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> iptable: i also use, fstab ssd tweaks, quiet splash off,daily trim and preload
[16:37] <theseb> daftykins: i pressed both....same :(
[16:37] <iptable> theseb, apparently these are the icon numbers your press while holding "Super" to quickly open them
[16:37] <holstein> theseb: have you logged out and back in?
[16:37] <daftykins> oh it's super? *shrug* :D
[16:37] <iptable> theseb, as to why the numbers actually show, must be a setting somewhere? tried turning it off and on again? ;)
[16:37] <iptable> daftykins, windows/super/tux button. choose a name ;)
[16:37] <theseb> holstein: i *did* clean my keyboard which entails pressing all keys haphhazardly...could that have hosed my desktop?
[16:38] <daftykins> iptable: i meant versus 'alt' which i thought it was, yes i'd always refer to it as super to be platform agnostic
[16:38] <holstein> theseb: yes. you should do that when the keyboard is unplugged
[16:38] <holstein> theseb: you didnt "hose" anything.. you just asked for the functionality that is present.. have you rebooted? or logged out and back in?
[16:38] <theseb> ok..i shall restart X win.....sec
[16:39] <iptable> theseb, most likely yes. your "super" and other keys might be stuck. 1. unplug keyboard, 2. press all buttons firmly (but don't bang the keyboard). 3. plug it in, 4. reboot machine
[16:39] <theseb> SUCCESS!!!
[16:39] <theseb> thanks guys
[16:39] <iptable> no probs :D
[16:39] <theseb> new motto..."When in doubt...reboot it out"
[16:40] <holstein> theseb: i think it should be, unplug the keyboard and other devices while cleaning..
[16:40] <theseb> holstein: i put it in screen lock but that isn't sufficient
[16:40] <iptable> and turn it off
[16:41] <Beldar> theseb, I would shut down honestly
[16:41] <iptable> theseb, one of your keys got stuck in "on" state in the buffer most likely
[16:41] <ana_> @holstein I'm using xubuntu, didn't seem to help, I already tried going to session and startup and adding google chrome to the auto start list
[16:41] <theseb> k thanks again
[16:41] <holstein> ana_: http://xubuntugeek.blogspot.com/2011/12/add-application-to-xfcexubuntu-session.html
[16:42] <theseb> Beldar: you mean you shut down the entire PC when cleaning the kb?
[16:42] <iptable> ana_, in xubuntu "session and startup" does exactly that
[16:42] <holstein> theseb: yes.. or unplug the device you are cleaning..
[16:43] <theseb> i didn't realize random key presses could be soo......"dangerous"
[16:43] <Beldar> theseb, Yes, and have your air can to make sure no moisture is in any contacts, just a safe use plan.
[16:43] <iptable> theseb, this will be very relevant to you http://xkcd.com/237/
[16:43] <holstein> theseb: or, just dont assume somehow a new feature or change has been pushed to the OS.. when you are doing something like that that you dont typically do on a regular basis
[16:44]  * iptable goes for a dinner
[16:44] <Beldar> theseb, We do not know how you are cleaning, for example I have alcohol wipes for glasses, safe to use with computer on, but a sprayed liquid I would shut down.
[16:44] <theseb> iptable: that's funny
[16:45] <theseb> Beldar: i spray a rag and wipe the wet rag on said kb
[16:45] <holstein> theseb: thats what did it..
[16:45] <Beldar> theseb, I would just do it the way it seems safe.
[16:47] <lmat> vnc goes very slowly between an host and guest. How can I speed it up ?
[16:47] <Beldar> I usually clean the screen and keyboard together and just spray lightly so I shut down
[16:47] <skinux> How come Archiver GUI always extracts to a directory, but extracting via shell can put a bunch of files mixed up with unrelated files?
[16:47] <lmat> In fact, it goes *much* faster between a remote computer (over internet) than it does between my host and my guest (vbox).
[16:48] <blizzow> lmat: use a wired connection on the same LAN?
[16:48] <lmat> blizzow: My two computers are in the same ... computer!!
[16:48] <blizzow> lmat: oh, well then...
[16:48] <lmat> blizzow: I have a vbox guest running Microsoft Windows, and he's the VNC client.
[16:48] <lmat> blizzow: I can't imagine getting much faster than that ^_^
[16:49] <ana_> iptable_, strange I went through session and startup already before to add chrome, which added the command "/home/ana/Desktop/chrome.desktop" but I restarted a few time and it won't auto start
[16:50] <Beldar> ana_, use the bin on
[16:50] <ana_> what's bin on?
[16:51] <Beldar> ana_ in computer /user/bin use the browse in start up to navigate there
[16:51] <lmat> ana_: he probably means "the bin one" ^_
[16:51] <lmat> ana_: And he means  /usr/bin ^_^
[16:52] <blizzow> lmat: Are you using NAT or bridged networking for your VM?
[16:52] <lmat> blizzow: NAT probably.
[16:52] <lmat> let's seee
[16:52] <lmat> yup, nat, blizzow
[16:52] <Beldar> lmat, I meant bin on, it is a brower on so to speak
[16:52] <linuxuz3r> os es are so awesome
[16:53] <blizzow> lmat: you may want to switch to bridged and let your VM directly on your network.
[16:53] <blizzow> (if that's an option)
[16:53] <lmat> Beldar: I stand corrected!
[16:53] <lmat> blizzow: sure... there's no network though, the only communication is between host and guest (same computer) ^_^
[16:54] <Beldar> lmat, Heh, not really an accurate description on my part, just figured it made sense. ;)
[16:54] <holstein> lmat: try setting up the other scenario that you prefer.. emulate it more closely..
[16:55] <lmat> holstein: I'm sorry, what do you mean ?
[16:55] <Beldar> linuxuz3r, Do you have a support issue, that is what w do here?
[16:55] <Beldar> we*
[16:56] <holstein> lmat: i mean, if you are using vbox vnc server and some other client and its slow, but when you are on your network with other machines using "realvnc" and whatever else, and its faster.. setup the same servers and client that you seem to prefer and test the speed
[16:56] <blizzow> lmat: I thought you just said that communication was faster between your host and a remote computer over the internet?  Which machine doesn't have a network?
[16:56] <lmat> I see.
[16:56] <blizzow> The VM or the Host?
[16:56] <lmat> I was trying to simplify things, but it just made them more confusing. Here's the *whole* story ^_^
[16:56] <lmat> My colleagues work using Windows (over Lync, etc.)
[16:57] <lmat> I need to be able to share my screen (using Lync).
[16:57] <lmat> I use ubuntu right now (14.04), and I have a Vbox Microsoft Windows 7 (running Lync)
[16:57] <lmat> When they ask me to share my screen, I start up x11vnc on Ubuntu, and realvnc viewer on Microsoft Windows.
[16:58] <lmat> I then share the realvnc viewer over Windows.
[16:58] <lmat> There is a huge lag getting the graphical data from Ubuntu to Microsoft Windows even though they're on the same machine.
[16:58] <lmat> However, once the data shows up properly on the Virtual machine, they see the data almost instantly.
[16:58] <blizzow> lmat: like I said before, try bridged networking instead of NAT.
[16:58] <holstein> lmat: i use something like nomachine
[16:59] <lmat> blizzow: Why ? You're thinking that latency will reduce with bridged networking ?
[16:59] <holstein> lmat: putting the unit on your network, using the bridged setup that blizzow is suggesting, will facilitate you doing the xame setup though
[16:59] <daftykins> lmat: NAT = CPU overhead, bridged = simpler.
[16:59] <daftykins> lmat: the problem is, this conversation is a lot more virtualbox support than it is ubuntu support
[16:59] <blizzow> lmat: I think the TCP routing might also be getting a little munged.
[17:00] <lmat> holstein: I'll take a look at nomachine.
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: virtualbox is an official ubuntu package, why not talk here?
[17:00] <lmat> holstein: that doesn't look helpful ^_^
[17:01] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: since the product has its' own channel that makes more sense, no 0o
[17:01] <lmat> blizzow: You know what, Just for you, I'll use bridged.
[17:01] <holstein> lmat: that?
[17:01] <lmat> blizzow: I can't fathom more latency using Nat over virtualbox, than the number of NATs that happen between me and Minnesota, etc.!
[17:01] <holstein> lmat: its actually quite a bit "faster" than vnc connections..
[17:01] <reisio> virtualization is not a tool you should choose if you're concerned with performance :p
[17:02] <lmat> reisio: aye :(
[17:02] <reisio> holstein: what, spice?
[17:02] <holstein> virtualization, nor vnc
[17:02] <blizzow> reisio: tell that to Amazon AWS and any cloud provider.
[17:02] <reisio> virtualization: convenient, but inferior
[17:02] <holstein> reisio: i was suggesting nomachine, since its typically faster and more native feeling than VNC
[17:02] <lmat> There are basically two VNC sessions going on at the same time. One moving data from host to VBOX, and one moving data from VBOX to internet.
[17:03] <skinux> Does anyone use a small VM of Windows to run few apps that can't be reliably run under WINE?
[17:03] <reisio> blizzow: mmm, well they're more focused on abstracted hardware
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> !info nomachine
[17:03] <reisio> blizzow: than virtualized hardware
[17:03] <reisio> holstein: ah :)
[17:03] <lmat> holstein: I don't want anything native feeling :)  I simply want to play a video of what I'm doing on my machine. No interaction.
[17:03] <holstein> lotuspsychje: freenx would be in the official repos
[17:03] <reisio> lmat: I missed the beginning, whatcha want?
[17:03] <lmat> skinux: yes.
[17:03] <holstein> lmat: it will be up to you to determine if the suggestion meets your needs
[17:03] <Zentoo> could you please test this URL, it's to simulate an audience on a web service: http://match-center.cdn.amisco.eu//Match/Match?guid=3D8DF9396CF429BF31B794826C400F06392852CA8ED8EB00963BDB822D18DA7A4C6D3A1721A90BA0F12AE374F971E2BF&codematch=ALMGN-PORTU-160614&language=en
[17:04] <holstein> lmat: there may be other options that might be "faster" if you need no intereation..
[17:04] <reisio> if you want to play a video from a remote machine, then just sshfs -o Ciphers=arcfour -o Compression=no, and play it as usual
[17:04] <lmat> reisio: My coworkers use Microsoft Windows (Lync, office, etc.). I need to be able to share my desktop with them over Microsoft Lync.
[17:04] <reisio> lync? :/
[17:04] <reisio> either way, don't reinvent the wheel, just use a network share
[17:04] <reisio> be it via ssh(fs), or cifs, or whatever
[17:04] <blizzow> reisio: lmat is running a windows VM to connect to a vnc server session on his VM host.  He's having latency issues connecting from his VM to the host.
[17:04] <reisio> blizzow: can't imagine why :p
[17:04] <lmat> reisio: So, I created a virtual machine running Microsoft Windows 7 running Lync. When they ask me to share my desktop (like video, they want to see me interact with my machine, etc.),
[17:04] <bwa> Hi
[17:05] <reisio> bwa: ohai :)
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> bwa: welcome
[17:05] <reisio> lmat: ah...
[17:05] <lmat> reisio: I start x11vnc on my Ubuntu host and vncviewer on Microsoft Windows. I then share the vnc viewer using Microsoft Lync.
[17:05] <reisio> ah
[17:05] <reisio> you may as well use rdp
[17:05] <reisio> since it's Windows
[17:05] <lmat> holstein: '"faster" if you need no interaction'  Yeah, that might be good ^_^
[17:05] <Beldar> reisio, You have risen, Dr. Frankenstein fire yah up. ;)
[17:05] <reisio> or citrix
[17:05] <reisio> Beldar: fear my neck bolts
[17:06] <Beldar> lol
[17:06] <blizzow> reisio: then he'd have install xrdp  for linux on his vm host.  I don't know if nomachine or xrdp is more painful.
[17:06] <reisio> s/f/ph,s/e/3,s/a/4
[17:06] <reisio> no, you don't need the host at all
[17:06] <bwa> exit
[17:06] <reisio> the host is just the host
[17:06] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> si muy lol
[17:06] <reisio> all you need is rdp on the Windows install
[17:06] <reisio> which it probably already has
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> vnc and rdp are danger to use for safety, but thats offtopic
[17:06] <reisio> lotuspsychje: as is Windows :p
[17:06] <daftykins> nothing wrong with RDP.
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> reisio: agree :p
[17:07] <lmat> reisio: So I need the Microsoft Windows machine to view the Ubuntu desktop.
[17:07] <reisio> there's lots wrong with rdp, but since he's already doing it wrong (windows, and virtualized), it's no more wrong :p
[17:07] <reisio> lmat: you need to share the host as well?
[17:07] <reisio> the host's screen
[17:07] <lmat> reisio: Can I create an RDP (mstsc, right ?) server on ubuntu?
[17:07] <holstein> lmat: the suggestions reisio are making are what i would be testing
[17:07] <blizzow> reisio: how would you suggest his VM connect back to his x11 session on the host?
[17:07] <lmat> reisio: no, no interaction from others.
[17:07] <holstein> !rdp
[17:07] <reisio> lmat: you can, but I'd need a good reason to, myself :p
[17:07] <lmat> reisio: They just want to watch me use my (ubuntu) computer over lync.
[17:07] <lmat> reisio: You're suggesting it, right ?
[17:07] <reisio> blizzow: I wouldn't ordinarily suggest that be done at all :p
[17:08] <reisio> lmat: ooooh
[17:08] <reisio> lmat: if you want one-click viewing, then use citrix or teamviewer
[17:08] <reisio> lmat: forget this VM guest nonsense
[17:08] <reisio> don't need lync for that
[17:08] <lmat> reisio: I can't insist they stop using Microsoft Lync.
[17:08] <reisio> you don't need to
[17:08] <reisio> citrix works with a simple website link
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> reisio: i also would go for 1 time teamviewer, then uninstall again if you dont need anymore :p
[17:08] <lmat> reisio: I can't insist they use anything else, either ^_^
[17:08] <reisio> they don't need to "install" anything in the traditional sense, which is probably all they're concerned with
[17:09] <reisio> lmat: they're already using browsers
[17:09] <reisio> teamviewer doesn't even need to be installed in the traditional sense, either
[17:09] <reisio> nor citrix
[17:09] <lmat> reisio: I really think they won't think it's acceptable if they have to use something else...
[17:09] <reisio> lmat: why on earth? :p
[17:09] <lmat> reisio: team viewer is only gratis for non-business purposes.
[17:09] <lmat> reisio: yes. why on earth is right.
[17:09] <holstein> lmat: you can test with it..
[17:09] <reisio> lmat: some things are simply not worth doing :)
[17:09] <lmat> reisio: These people can't imagine why on earth anyone would not use Microsoft Windows.
[17:09] <lmat> reisio: So I should quit? ^_^
[17:10] <blizzow> reisio: lmat needs to share his desktop to coworkers via lync.  teamviewer has some stupid time limits on sharing in the gratis version last time I checked.
[17:10] <reisio> well I think citrix is gratis on a general fremium approach
[17:10] <reisio> so try that
[17:10] <reisio> blizzow: nah
[17:10] <lmat> reisio: I'm quite sure they won't use citrix.
[17:10] <reisio> lmat: it's the same as going to a website and clicking 'yes'
[17:10] <lmat> reisio: They don't want to have to do anything. They want to just sit there, and bam, my screen shows up.
[17:10] <blizzow> plus asking all his teammates to switch tools to share desktops with him is kind of a reach.
[17:10] <reisio> yes, well, that is not a quality you should cater to :p
[17:10] <reisio> anyways
[17:10] <lmat> reisio: If I were running things, they would be different. It makes me want to cry.
[17:10] <reisio> you want to share ubuntu host from windows guest, via ms lync
[17:11] <lmat> reisio: yup :'(
[17:11] <reisio> don't frown on the internet, 'cept in #littlegirls :)
[17:11] <lmat> I gotta go get a phone charger from home :-/
[17:11] <reisio> that's always going to be laggy, hrmm
[17:11] <lmat> reisio: I'll read everything when I get back if you think of anything ^_^
[17:11] <lmat> reisio: I wouldn't have thought so!  It takes like 5 seconds (or more!) to update the screen!
[17:12] <reisio> lmat: I haven't tested nx, but it'd probably be between that and xrdp
[17:12] <reisio> vnc most likely not
[17:12] <blizzow> lmat, what network card are you using in virtualbox?
[17:12] <lmat> blizzow: NAT. Does that answer the question ?
[17:13] <reisio> actually, I think the best way would be, again without any VM
[17:13] <blizzow> lmat, no, that does not.  That's the type of networking.  and as I suggested, you should probably try bridged.
[17:13] <reisio> just screencast and stream your desktop
[17:13] <reisio> via a web server
[17:13] <reisio> all they need is a browser or media player
[17:14] <lmat> So I'm looking for the fastest way to get a video feed of my desktop to a Microsoft Windows Virtual machine :(
[17:14] <lmat> I would have thought this would be blazing fast since it's not even leaving my machine!!
[17:14] <holstein> lmat: teamviewer has nice "in browser" options
[17:14] <blizzow> lmat: There are also options for network card type, EG: intel/amd pcnet/...
[17:14] <reisio> lmat: http://www.google.com/search?q=how%20to%20screencast%20live
[17:15] <lmat> blizzow: It says "intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop"
[17:15] <reisio> they won't care if you link them to a website with no clicks required
[17:15] <blizzow> lmat, try the virtio-net driver.
[17:15] <reisio> they might even be impressed
[17:15] <mirko> is it intended that i don't see any wired connection options within the nm-menu anymore?
[17:16] <blizzow> lmat: and like I said, try Bridged and get the VM on the same network segment as your HOST and clients!
[17:16] <mirko> wired connections are listed in the connection-manager and plugging a cable in triggers an dhcp-client
[17:16] <reisio> mirko: you have a wire connected?
[17:16] <reisio> ah
[17:16] <mirko> however how do i now manage profiles with static settings?
[17:16] <mirko> i'm in environments where there's no dhcp
[17:17] <mirko> even my wired connection profiles from the previous ubuntu version are listed in the connection 5~manager
[17:17] <mirko> however i don't know to to activate/use them
[17:17] <lmat> blizzow: okay, changed network card driver
[17:18] <reisio> mirko: might check irc.gnome.org for an nm channel
[17:18] <lmat> blizzow: You know... with NAT, I shouldn't be able to communicate client-to-HOST.
[17:18] <mirko> reisio: thanks.. will try my best there
[17:19] <lmat> blizzow: I bet I *was* going over the internet with the stupid VNC data!
[17:19] <blizzow> lmat, what are the IP addresses of both the VM and the host?
[17:19] <reisio> mirko: not that you need to leave here, just FYI :)
[17:19] <mirko> reisio: won't :)
[17:19] <lmat> blizzow: I should have two adapters: one NAT, and one host-only for VNC.
[17:19] <reisio> lmat: doesn't matter, it's not worth doing :D
[17:19] <lmat> okay, gotta go get the phone charger! I'll be back in less than an hour :(
[17:19] <reisio> and VNC _will_ be slower than other solutions
[17:19] <reisio> it's all images
[17:19] <reisio> only way to make it similarly fast is to reduce quality
[17:20] <reisio> or make a huge buffer, defeating the purpose
[17:21] <reisio> ffmpeg + web server, that's the ticket :)
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> whats the unity log name again to see what lagging on unity start?
[17:21] <reisio> lotuspsychje: find /var/log/ -iname '*unity*'
[17:22] <reisio> lmat: this looks like a decent jumping off point: http://www.howtoforge.com/streaming-your-desktop-with-audio-and-webcam-overlay-in-a-browser-using-ffmpeg-crtmpserver-and-flowplayer
[17:23] <joaquinx> #list
[17:23] <reisio> lmat: if you give it a go and have any trouble give a holler, I'm familiar with most of the bits (ffmpeg, flowplayer), just not the combination in this particular manner :)
[17:24] <Dave77> r there ever going to be games that run on linux I can buy in the shop?
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> reisio: /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log was what i was looking for tnx
[17:25] <reisio> Dave77: already are
[17:25] <Dave77> I want GTA5 etc
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> !steam | Dave77
[17:25] <Dave77> thats where it falls down.. a 50GB download
[17:27] <reisio> Dave77: what platforms is gta5 for?
[17:27] <blizzow> lmat, did switching to the virtio driver with bridged networking change performance significantly?
[17:27] <reisio> Dave77: not wanting to download something doesn't mean it doesn't work :p
[17:28] <Dave77> I would happily use linux for desktop if everything worked...
[17:28] <reisio> Dave77: everything does
[17:28] <reisio> so be happy ;)
[17:28] <Dave77> I want to blindscan DVB-S2 with GUI on linux
[17:28] <Dave77> no app.. etc..
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> Dave77: playonlinux, wine, appdb
[17:29] <reisio> Dave77: was probably invented on Unix
[17:29] <reisio> like most things :p
[17:29] <Dave77> I want a decent DVB TV viewer app for linux.. no good app
[17:30] <Dave77> Also would be nice if software was in binary for ARM.. instead of expecting user to compile
[17:31] <reisio> Dave77: it is
[17:31] <reisio> an app for tv tuning?
[17:31] <reisio> it's the 21st century man :p
[17:32] <reisio> stream it from the net
[17:32] <Dave77> not all channels can be streamed from the net
[17:32] <lucas_2014> hola buenas
[17:32] <lucas_2014> upstart: amd64 conflicts with sysvinit:amd64
[17:32] <lucas_2014> que significa eso
[17:33] <lucas_2014> tengo que remover upsatart?
[17:33] <Beldar> !es | lucas_2014
[17:33] <lucas_2014> sorry
[17:33] <reisio> Dave77: sure they can
[17:33] <lucas_2014> what is it ? upstart: amd64 conflicts with sysvinit:amd64
[17:33] <linuxuz3r> how do i turn on swap file in ubuntu
[17:33] <reisio> linuxuz3r: swapon -s
[17:34] <Beldar> !pt | ucas_2014
[17:34] <guideX> hey question.. "This kernel requires a x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU. Unable to boot - please use a kernel appripriate for your CPU."
[17:35] <Amy_Lu_Who> is there an application in the software center that allows one to sync and use google play store apps from their desktop?
[17:35] <genii> lucas_2014: It means Ubuntu can use Upstart, OR it can use SysVInit, but not both at the same time. You should choose to use Upstart as the default.
[17:35] <guideX> I see it wants a 64bit cpu, but then, this is a virtual box vm,and the cpu is 64bit
[17:35] <reisio> Amy_Lu_Who: not exactly
[17:35] <reisio> Amy_Lu_Who: you want to use google play apps on your desktop computer?
[17:35] <Amy_Lu_Who> I know there used to be one for Apple Iphonesd
[17:35] <reisio> guideX: I think it's saying you can have sysvinit or upstart, but not both
[17:35] <Dave77> reiso: there are region blocks on some TV channels. just tried now.. says streaming not possible
[17:35] <reisio> guideX: which makes sense
[17:36] <reisio> Amy_Lu_Who: yes, there are emulators for both Android and iOS
[17:36] <guideX> oh hmm
[17:36] <reisio> Amy_Lu_Who: but it's not worth it unless you're going to develop something and make cash or glory, IMO :p
[17:36] <guideX> in virtual box, how do I fix? I don't seem to have a 64bit cpu option
[17:36] <Amy_Lu_Who> reisio, i want to be able to play a silly game with full screen.
[17:36] <Dave77> reisio: seriously there must be like 20 different apps for windows and nothing on linux
[17:36] <reisio> guideX: what's the host OS?
[17:36] <guideX> win7 64bit
[17:36] <reisio> Amy_Lu_Who: which game? :)
[17:36] <guideX> pro
[17:36] <reisio> Dave77: that usually means there's one obvious mega-superior app for linux
[17:36] <grodt> tekken 1
[17:36] <reisio> Dave77: nad you simply don't know its name yet :)
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> Amy_Lu_Who: why dont you switch to ubuntu-touch  and play game from there :p
[17:37] <reisio> and*
[17:37] <reisio> lotuspsychje: won't change anything :p
[17:37] <Amy_Lu_Who> reisio, *emabrassed* Game of War
[17:37] <guideX> in the system area, it says 64bit os
[17:37] <reisio> guideX: intel?
[17:37] <guideX> yeah
[17:37] <guideX> i7
[17:37] <reisio> Amy_Lu_Who: link?
[17:37] <reisio> guideX: oh i7
[17:37] <guideX> wait.. amd phenom x6 1090t cpu 3.20 ghz
[17:37] <reisio> guideX: ah...
[17:37] <guideX> to be exact
[17:38] <reisio> guideX: phenom, that's a fancy one
[17:38] <reisio> I bet it has amd-v
[17:38] <reisio> but you could check with cpu-z to be sure
[17:38] <Amy_Lu_Who> reisio, ???
[17:38] <Dave77> reisio: only app I saw was kaffine but GUI was very basic.
[17:38] <guideX> hmm
[17:38] <reisio> Amy_Lu_Who: to the game site, so I'm sure what you're talking about
[17:38] <reisio> Dave77: what do you want the gui to have?
[17:38] <guideX> so basically virtualbox isn't exposing my vt, think this is more of a vbox issue?
[17:38] <Amy_Lu_Who> lotuspsychje, what is ubuntu-touch??
[17:38] <reisio> guideX: dunno, again the sysvinit vs upstart thing is likely unrelated to arch, host, guest, or otherwise
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> !touch | Amy_Lu_Who
[17:39] <reisio> Amy_Lu_Who: nothing that will help you
[17:39] <kastan> my wifi connection seems to stop working after long sessions and i have to reboot it to get it to work again any ideas?
[17:39] <guideX> hmm weird
[17:39] <reisio> kastan: get a better router
[17:39] <Dave77> resio: some that resembles progdvb or mytheatre but for linux
[17:39] <guideX> with ubuntu, does 64 bit vs 32 make a big diff?
[17:40] <kastan> reisio: the router is fine my other devices are working great just my wifi on my computer seems to get flacky after long sessions
[17:40] <Amy_Lu_Who> reisio, alrighty thank you.
[17:43] <reisio> kastan: on your laptop?
[17:43] <kastan> reisio yup
[17:43] <reisio> and if you connect fewer devices?
[17:44] <kastan> it doesn't help i think it might be a driver problem
[17:45] <reisio> could be
[17:48] <kastan> reiso ill see what i can figure out thank you :)
[17:53] <louis__> salut
[17:57] <skinux> Any specific reason why Ubuntu requires Python 2.7 as default and not 3.0?
[17:58] <zmbmartin> If I add an export to /etc/profile do I need to restart for everything to take that into consideration?
[18:00] <reisio> zmbmartin: everything being?
[18:00] <reisio> skinux: python 3 is not backwards compatible with 2.7
[18:00] <reisio> skinux: many things have not yet been ported
[18:00] <reisio> all in good time
[18:02] <skinux> Well, 2.7 is still pretty supported, so it's understandable why porting hasn't happened yet.
[18:03] <skinux> I simply have a thing about preferring to use latest versions of everything.
[18:03] <zmbmartin> reisio: I tried installing a newer version of imagemagick 6.8.9 by building it myself.
[18:03] <ahmedsakr> hi
[18:03] <ahmedsakr> i am here now . it is first time i be here
[18:03] <reisio> zmbmartin: gj
[18:03] <gru_> is this the correct syntax from local? "scp file name@ipaddy(HOST):path/file
[18:03] <ahmedsakr> i hope i find a good friend here
[18:03] <zmbmartin> reisio: The problem is my server nodejs/gm(graphics-magick) isn't finding the imagemagick libraries
[18:03] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> hi
[18:04] <ahmedsakr> hi
[18:04] <reisio> zmbmartin: just 'export'
[18:04] <ahmedsakr> my name is Ahmed
[18:04] <reisio> zmbmartin: or put in ~/.bashrc, source ~/.bashrc
[18:04] <reisio> ahmedsakr: hi
[18:04] <reisio> CREEEPEREXPLOSIV: hi
[18:04] <reisio> gru_: local to remote, sure
[18:04] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> hello
[18:04] <ahmedsakr> hi
[18:04] <gru_> thnx
[18:04] <reisio> gru_: or mkdir foo; sshfs user@remote:path foo && rsync -av bar foo/
[18:06] <skinux> Oh, if anyone currently in here was here when I was trying to fix my disk space issue, I resolved it. Instead of merging two partitions, I simply installed Ubuntu onto the second partition and copied files over.
[18:06] <reisio> skinux: :p
[18:07] <reisio> skinux: you can actually copy an entire ubuntu installation without reinstalling it, FFR
[18:07] <reisio> especially simple when using on the very same hardware
[18:08] <zmbmartin> reisio: That still doesn't work
[18:08] <skinux> reisio: Yeah, but it would have taken probably several DVDs to make a system image to copy with.
[18:08] <reisio> zmbmartin: "doesn't work" is meaningless, got an error message? :)
[18:08] <reisio> skinux: no no :)
[18:08] <reisio> skinux: boot a live OS, cp/rsync/etc.
[18:09] <reisio> you can even do it from a running system in a pinch
[18:09] <reisio> again, just FFR
[18:09] <arosen> Hi, i'm hitting this odd issue on ubuntu-12.04 when I login via gnome i get kicked out right way.
[18:09] <arosen> I can login fine via the virtual terminal though
[18:09] <arosen> any ideas?
[18:09] <zmbmartin> reisio: Same error -> identify: error while loading shared libraries: libMagickCore-6.Q16.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:12] <GuppyMan> As ubuntu-help is invite only, is this the place to ask a question? Or would someone direct me to the correct irc.
[18:12] <Megabyte> Hi, guys
[18:12] <Megabyte> I do have a question
[18:13] <Megabyte> But it's about Creative Commons licensing
[18:13] <starbuck> hi, what is the rename command regex pattern to change a file from S01.01.srt to S01E01.srt?
[18:13] <Megabyte> Would anyone be able to answer this?
[18:13] <GuppyMan> Which version of creative commons?
[18:13] <Megabyte> Guppy, 3.0
[18:14] <reisio> GuppyMan: publici domain
[18:14] <Megabyte> Guppy, The question is: can I use a proprietary tool to create content derived based on CC?
[18:14] <reisio> if you don't care, don't care all the way
[18:14] <reisio> gray areas are for goobers
[18:15] <GuppyMan> I'm not sure, not up to date, perhaps someone else knows?
[18:15] <linuxuz3r> how do i recover grub installation
[18:15] <reisio> !boot-repair
[18:15]  * reisio yawns
[18:15] <Megabyte> Guppy, LateX is a really nice tool, but I'm not keen to deal with its overcomplexity
[18:15] <Megabyte> Guppy, And libreoffice keeps deleting my page styling
[18:15] <reisio> linuxuz3r: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[18:15] <Megabyte> Guppy, There's a section that has page number and another that does not
[18:16] <reisio> Megabyte: that related to cc somehow? :p
[18:16] <Megabyte> reisio, yes.
[18:17] <Megabyte> reisio, Think a little: if I'm free to get CC work and "remix" it and distribute it as my own, AS LONG AS I give the original docs back upon request...
[18:17] <bprompt> Megabyte:    how does LaTex factor in again?
[18:17] <Megabyte> reisio, doesn't that pose a legal issue?
[18:17] <Megabyte> bprompt, the original document was typeset in LaTeX
[18:17] <Megabyte> bprompt, Badly typeset, but that's another story...
[18:18] <Megabyte> bprompt, I just think, based on what I already used, that LibreOffice is not a serious tool for long publishing. Randomly deleting page number sections is not something very nice.
[18:19] <Megabyte> bprompt, So the only free tool that would be a choice would be a TeX derivative
[18:19] <Joshun> hi
[18:19] <bprompt> Megabyte:     so.. you want to use a "creative commons" content... and distribute it with your branding?
[18:19] <reisio> Megabyte: it's as serious as other things
[18:19] <reisio> but depending on what you mean by 'publishing'
[18:19] <Joshun> anyone know why the chromium/google chrome menus look so ugly?
[18:19] <reisio> you might prefer scribus
[18:19] <Megabyte> bprompt, It would fall under remixing, because I wouldn't just redistribute it
[18:19] <bprompt> Megabyte:     well... you see, dunno what you're doing... works for me well enough
[18:19] <Joshun> the widget set has become very inconsistent
[18:19] <Megabyte> bprompt, It has entirely new content mixed to it, too
[18:20] <reisio> Joshun: chrome or chromium?
[18:20] <Megabyte> reisio, No ligature support, and it feels a bit akward
[18:20] <Joshun> reisiso: both, the changes made in chromium seem to have become merged into the current chrome version
[18:20] <Megabyte> *awkward
[18:20] <Joshun> ^I mean reisio
[18:20] <Megabyte> reision, to be more precise, it does have ligature support, but you have to hack it into the project file
[18:21] <Megabyte> reision, you cannot fine-tune the open-type features you want, though
[18:21] <Megabyte> reision, LibreOffice has graphite, but it stopped working after 4.0
[18:22] <reisio> Joshun: sounds like your GTK+ or Qt is broken
[18:22] <reisio> Megabyte: which features do you want to tune?
[18:22] <Megabyte> reision, ligatures and choosing between monospaced and old-style numbering would be one example
[18:22] <Megabyte> reision, another is kerning
[18:22] <bprompt> Megabyte:   so.... you want to use edit the Latex document which has a "creative commons" license.... and you want to modify but not redistribute or rebrand it...  I don't see the liability issue.... sounds more like is for personal use?
[18:23] <Megabyte> bprompt, No, it is for commercial use
[18:23] <fxn> I have a package that I did not install explicitly, is there a way to know which package was a dependency of?
[18:23] <Joshun> reisio: unlikely, occurs on two different installs
[18:24] <bprompt> Megabyte:     I don't think there's a #ubuntu-legalese channel =)
[18:24] <Megabyte> bprompt, It's basically Ubuntu's quick-start guide. I'm translating it to Portuguese and updating it to include relevant information pertaining to 14.04 LTS
[18:24] <reisio> fxn: https://www.google.com/search?q=debian%20query%20reverse%20deps
[18:25] <Megabyte> bprompt, Going to #ubuntu-br, I also learned that the lead chanel admin and translator passed away last year
[18:25] <reisio> Joshun: if you say so
[18:25] <guideX> is there a way to speed up the ubuntu ui/unity?
[18:25] <Megabyte> bprompt, Cystic fibrosis
[18:25] <guideX> maybe by turning off the animations?
[18:25] <Megabyte> bprompt, Which is why the Brazilian Portuguese translation is stuck at 12.04
[18:26] <guideX> i'm experiencing 30 second delays
[18:26] <Joshun> the weird thing is it seems to act independently of the window manager
[18:26] <fxn> reisio: thanks
[18:26] <Megabyte> bprompt, Since this project takes a bit of time (like updating "Mac OS X" to "OS X," due to naming scheme,) I think it's fair I distribute a paid version of it
[18:26] <reisio> Joshun: well, they are horribly authored applications :)
[18:26] <Megabyte> bprompt, I was thinking of R$ 20 ($10) for a 150 page guide, black and white
[18:27] <reisio> Megabyte: it's fair if you require money to survive :p
[18:27] <Megabyte> reisio, thanks for supporting me, reisio :)
[18:28] <Megabyte> reisio, Amazon has a self-publishing program, I suppose, so it would be cheap for me to go self-publishing
[18:28] <Megabyte> reisio, I'd have to calculate the price more precisely, but I want to set it as fair as possible
[18:30] <Megabyte> reision, it pains me to see the #ubuntu-br (Brazilian) channel is a bit neglected too
[18:30] <reisio> neglect is painful
[18:31] <reisio> Megabyte: r-e-i-TABkey
[18:31] <Megabyte> reision, I've disabled it on purpose :)
[18:31] <Megabyte> reisio, (Sorry)
[18:31] <Megabyte> reisio, I disabled it because I was miscompleting other people's names
[18:31] <reisio> why? :/
[18:32] <reisio> Megabyte: go into prefs and set it to last-spoke order
[18:32] <reisio> hexchat's default is poor
[18:32] <Megabyte> reisio, ah, thanks :)
[18:32] <mickep> Hi, I just installed 14.04 on a new machine, and I got "skippings and crackings" when playing sound (music/video). I have tried the tsched=0 option in /etc/pulse/default.pa and also changing speex-float-0 to speex-float-1 (or 10) in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf. Any other ideas? The soundcard seems to be of intel type.
[18:32] <reisio> it's set to alphabetical or something
[18:32] <reisio> last-spoke is better
[18:32] <reisio> closer to irssi's, which is probably the best
[18:32] <reisio> mickep: you try lowering PCM?
[18:32] <mickep> reisio: yes
[18:33] <Megabyte> reisio, there's not an order there
[18:33] <guideX> any idea how to speed up the unity ui? it takes 20-30 seconds to do most things
[18:33] <Megabyte> reisio, I'm using hexchat, too
[18:33] <reisio> mickep: does it manifest when using 'aplay' directly?
[18:33] <Megabyte> reisio, Which is a nice fork backed up by Google
[18:33] <muoni> nice community (=
[18:33] <Doxin> is there some way to have a script run if a certain service stopped working?
[18:33] <mickep> reisio: never tried, hold on.
[18:33] <GuppyMan> guideX: what are your hardware specs?
[18:33] <bprompt> guideX:    get an SSD, that should
[18:33] <Megabyte> reisio, Is there a text way to set this up?
[18:33] <reisio> Megabyte: I know, it should still have last-spoke as an option; the hexchat devs are goobers, but hopefully not that much
[18:33] <reisio> Megabyte: yeah.... min
[18:34] <guideX> AMD Phenom II X6 1090T 3.20 ghz, nvidia gforce gt610 2gb ram, virtualbox
[18:34] <mickep> reisio: aplay sounds even worse (it also continues for some seconds after I close it with ctrl-c)
[18:34] <guideX> 8 gb ram
[18:35] <kingbeowolf> anyone know a good conky script that displays system temps?
[18:35] <mickep> reisio: In, for example, spotify I can hear the songs. In aplay I heard only noise.
[18:35] <guideX> I also had this problem with 12.10
[18:35] <reisio> Megabyte: /set completion_sort
[18:35] <reisio> Megabyte: /set completion_sort on
[18:35] <GuppyMan> guideX: Has it been fine with previous versions then?
[18:35] <reisio> something like that
[18:36] <guideX> nope
[18:36] <reisio> Megabyte: #hexchat would know for sure
[18:36] <guideX> I usually use xfce, but it's slow
[18:36] <GuppyMan> guideX: May be virtual box.
[18:36] <reisio> mickep: sounds like parts of your system are configured to use pulse and parts aren't
[18:36] <GuppyMan> guideX: Do you run other OSes in VB?
[18:37] <guideX> yeah
[18:37] <GuppyMan> guideX: And they work fine right?
[18:37] <guideX> they have worked good, it's only with ubuntu 9 and up
[18:37] <GuppyMan> guideX: Interesting...
[18:37] <guideX> the ui has too many animations
[18:37] <mickep> reisio: Hm, it is a clean install, but with the home dir from previous installation. Are there any files in my home directory that I can remove?
[18:37] <guideX> is there a way to turn them off
[18:37] <Megabyte> reisio, strange... completion_sort is always set to 0
[18:38] <guideX> also how do I scroll? the scrollbars are missing
[18:39] <GuppyMan> guideX: Now that is strange..
[18:39] <matrix3000> hey guys
[18:39] <guideX> I see a scrollbar appear if I move the mouse near the right side, but when I click it disappears
[18:39] <guideX> I obviously don't know how to use heh
[18:39] <guideX> is there a way to go back to regular scrollbars?
[18:39] <matrix3000> need some help here, trying to lock down only a specific user to be able to login from a specific host, but don't care about other users
[18:40] <reisio> Megabyte: 1 then
[18:40] <GuppyMan> guideX: Do you have compiz eneabled?
[18:40] <matrix3000> I know I need to edit the sshd_config, but not sure what to use
[18:40] <matrix3000> cause I don't want to limit all the other users on the system
[18:40] <guideX> GuppyMan: I went with default install, I haven't changed anything
[18:40] <guideX> not sure about compwiz
[18:40] <reisio> matrix3000: #openssh
[18:41] <GuppyMan> guideX: Go to system settings
[18:41] <guideX> ok 1 second.. or 30
[18:41] <GuppyMan> Drat can't remember where compiz is...
[18:41] <GuppyMan> one sec
[18:42] <guideX> ok system settings is open
[18:43] <mickep> reisio: I'll add another user and try if sounds work for that one.
[18:43] <GuppyMan> actually, scratch that go to system monitor
[18:43] <GuppyMan> guideX: lets see what's eating your resources
[18:43] <GuppyMan> guideX: In system monitor
[18:44] <guideX> GuppyMan: another problem is, I can't find anything.. there used to be a menu in gnome with all my stuff, now I can't even find the terminal I'm bhaveing a hard time finding most things
[18:44] <DrGrov> Hi everyone. Is anyone using modelines in xorg.conf on 14.04 with a nVidia graphics card?
[18:45] <GuppyMan> guideX: So do you have the unity bar?
[18:45] <guideX> well yeah but it's useless, I have to wait 30 seconds per letrter
[18:45] <guideX> the animations are killing me
[18:45] <mickep> reisio: OK, noise is still there with a new user.
[18:46] <guideX> is there some alternate way to get to the terminal
[18:46] <GuppyMan> guideX: Ok, do Ctrl + Alt + T
[18:46] <GuppyMan> guideX: This will open a terminal
[18:46] <guideX> ah ok
[18:47] <reisio> DrGrov: probably someone is :p
[18:47] <GuppyMan> guideX: type gnome-system-monitor
[18:47] <GuppyMan> guideX: And click on Processes
[18:47] <reisio> mickep: what's making the skips in ordinary usage, again? (not aplay)
[18:48] <fbdystang> Hi, my verizon wireless dongle stopped working a few months ago from some update to network manager. Is there a way to revert back to a previous version of ubuntu that did work? I am on 14.04, Thanks!
[18:48] <mickep> reisio: spotify, youtube (flash/html5?). That is what I've tried.
[18:48] <guideX> hmm most things aren't using the cpu, xorg is using 73 mb of ram
[18:48] <GuppyMan> guideX: Sort by cpu, and if nothing is using a lot of CPU, sort by memory.
[18:48] <reisio> mickep: didn't you say spotify worked?
[18:48] <guideX> max cpu use is <10%
[18:48] <reisio> yes you did
[18:49] <reisio> mickep: what's making __**the skips**__ in ordinary usage, again? (not aplay)
[18:49] <mickep> That must have been a typo, sorry.
[18:49] <reisio> (not spotify)
[18:49] <reisio> okay...
[18:49] <reisio> so everything is making skips?
[18:49] <mickep> no application is working
[18:49] <reisio> okay
[18:49] <GuppyMan> guideX: Try sort by memory.
[18:49] <guideX> max memory use is xorg, 73mb
[18:49] <JuJuBee> How do I import an m3u playlist into Rhythmbox?
[18:50] <reisio> JuJuBee: ctrl+o?
[18:50] <guideX> my system appears to be doing very little atm
[18:50] <mickep> reisio: What I meant above, is that in spotify I hear the songs (together with the noise), while in aplay I heard noise only.
[18:50] <Beldar> fbdystang, You can pin apps, not sure this is your best option you might address getting it to work as is with the channel.
[18:50] <reisio> cp foo.m3u bar.pls && rhythmbox bar.pls ?
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[18:50] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
[18:50] <guideX> still EXTREMELY slow, it's like trying to run winvista on a 386 or something
[18:50] <reisio> mickep: k
[18:51] <JuJuBee> reisio: doesn't do anything
[18:51] <guideX> I think it's all these animations, they're just overused, is there a way to disable them?
[18:51] <reisio> JuJuBee: pls?
[18:51] <Istalantar> hi, today i learned who to get rid of passwords in pdf files with the command 'qpdf'. my question now is, what would i need to do to 'decrypt' several pdfs at once?
[18:51] <fbdystang> Beldar, what do you mean by pin apps? link?
[18:51] <reisio> guideX: in what?
[18:51] <JuJuBee> reisio: no m3u  exported from Banshee
[18:51] <guideX> reisio: unity
[18:51] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> aadios¡¡
[18:51] <reisio> Istalantar: most Unix PDF viewers don't care about encryption at all
[18:51] <Beldar> !info pin | fbdystang
[18:51] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> sigo aquiiiiiiii
[18:51] <guideX> unity animations lock my pc for 30 seconds at a time
[18:51] <Artemis3> !es | CREEEPEREXPLOSIV
[18:52] <reisio> that is, most PDF encryption is merely password protection, which is not encryption :p
[18:52] <Istalantar> reisio: i want to use the pds on windows and my tablet too
[18:52] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> me estoyyyyy iendooo
[18:52] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> mmmmme
[18:52] <reisio> Istalantar: probably just use gs to re-convert them to pdf
[18:52] <fbdystang> Beldar: yeah doesn't look like it exists :(
[18:52] <reisio> Istalantar: likely any Unix util to re-author them will remove any password protection
[18:52] <gas-sho> desconocido soy
[18:52] <bprompt> guideX:     depending on usage... you could, if you do not use/need 32bit color...you can lower it to 16bit... that'd remove gpu workload
[18:52] <Beldar> fbdystang, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[18:52] <GuppyMan> guideX: Looks like Unity 2D was disabled in recent versions.
[18:53] <cheater> hi
[18:53] <guideX> hmm ok
[18:53] <Beldar> fbdystang, It's not a app
[18:53] <GuppyMan> guideX: Seems like a switch to Kubuntu is recommended by some.
[18:53] <guideX> maybe I should put xfce or something on here
[18:53] <guideX> seems like unity is just too slow still
[18:53] <guideX> I had this same problem in 12.1-0
[18:53] <The0x539> KDE is amazing
[18:53] <GuppyMan> guideX: Yes, unity didn't play nice with my GTX 560 either.
[18:53] <holstein> guideX: its more likey a lack of 3d support for your device
[18:54] <reisio> cheater: ohio
[18:54] <cheater> i've been doing do-release-upgrade and it was on the "setting up packages" step and it asked me what to do about a config file. i chose to start an interactive shell, during which i pressed ctrl-c. apparently that killed the whole process and it stopped setting up packages. how do i resume this? i'm afraid if i do anything at all my pc will not even boot up anymore.
[18:54] <guideX> holstein: just a gt610, nothing out of the ordinary
[18:54] <holstein> guideX: there are DE's that dont use 3d.. xfce, lxde..
[18:54] <Istalantar> reisio: so you are saying, when i open the pdf once with a unix util the password will also be gone when i upen the file on windows?
[18:54] <holstein> guideX: "ordinary" doesnt matter.. either you have support in linux, or not
[18:54] <guideX> *shrug, ok
[18:54] <GuppyMan> guideX: I agree a lightweight interface is a good idea.
[18:54] <reisio> Istalantar: no, but if you regenerate it with a Unix util, the password will likely be obliterated
[18:55] <GuppyMan> guideX: Xubuntu, Lubuntu, etc.
[18:55] <Beldar> cheater, get to a tty and run sudo apt-get -f install
[18:55] <fbdystang> Beldar: Thanks
[18:55] <holstein> guideX: its just misguided to say unity is the cause. .many use unity and it works as advertised, but, if your hardware cant to 3d in linux, you will run into performance issues with things that require 3d.. unity and gnome both use 3d
[18:55] <Mailme45> Trying to install 64 bit Ubuntu or Xubuntu on Vizio laptop, core i3.  Pointer and wifi work from live cd, but not once installed.  32 bit works? any clue as to why?
[18:56] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> ñmkl
[18:56] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> lkecnj
[18:56] <reisio> Istalantar: gs -o new.pdf -sDEVICE=pdfwrite old.pdf
[18:56] <reisio> Istalantar: try it
[18:56] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> tbvn6u
[18:56] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> vhtnf5
[18:56] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> nfgvc
[18:56] <holstein> guideX: there are pass through modes for both for use with 2d, but, you take a hit in performance, and would likely enjoy xfce better..
[18:56] <bprompt> guideX:    sometimes also fetching resources from spinning HDD   causes delay, sometimes it may not the GPU or CPU processing, so much as they'yre waiting for data to be fetched from scatter spots on the hdd, thus the delay, part of why I suggested an ssd
[18:56] <Beldar> Mailme45, 32 b it works means, in the live right?
[18:56] <Istalantar> reisio: ok, i'll try
[18:56] <guideX> holstein: I suppose, but it sure seems like it.. I've had this exact same issue on several pc's, in all cases, unity is just slow and barely moving.. i've to date never seen unity function properly
[18:56] <reisio> Mailme45: likely unrelated to the arch, just a little bug in QA
[18:57] <guideX> I don't know why ubuntu continues to use such an unreliable ui
[18:57] <Mailme45> Oh sorry, type-o.  32 bit works if installed.
[18:57] <holstein> guideX: on everal pc's that dont support 3d in linux?its quite common to need to install a proprietary graphics driver for 3d support in linux
[18:57] <reisio> guideX: I do :)
[18:57] <Mailme45> just 64 bit doesn't work when installed.
[18:57] <reisio> holstein: also on any other OS
[18:57] <holstein> guideX: the UI is not the issue.. you could choose to use more well supported hardware
[18:57] <genii> @comment 62794 Was referred to the Spanish channel but then remained and began spamming random gibberish
[18:58] <Beldar> Mailme45, On either install did hit the install updates in install, or 3rd party tick?
[18:58] <guideX> lol ok, but i'm seeing this on various hardware, what would you guys recommend as hardware that would work with unity?
[18:58] <holstein> guideX: a machine from a seller such as system76 would be setup with ubuntu from the factory
[18:58] <bprompt> guideX:    you're sorta generalizing your issue
[18:58]  * genii makes more coffee
[18:58] <holstein> guideX: i recommend either using hardware that supports 3d with 3d required DE's, or something that doesnt require 3d if you dont have 3d support
[18:58] <reisio> genii: good idea
[18:58] <Mailme45> Yes, I select install updates and 3rd party always.
[18:58] <guideX> I have 3d support, I"m able to play 3d games without issue
[18:58] <reisio> 3d is cute, but 99% of the time not actually useful
[18:59] <guideX> I've tried with gt610, gt640, gforce gtx 9800+
[18:59] <Beldar> Mailme45, Okay just checking for differentials, not sure of a why in this.
[18:59] <guideX> all of these fail with unity
[18:59] <guideX> these are very common cards
[18:59] <holstein> guideX: maybe you are just having unrealistic expectations of the environment.. its not a goal of unity to support legacy hardware or provide a "light" environment.. it is the goal of lubuntu lxde .. and others
[19:00] <Beldar> Mailme45, Note I preface your nick when addressing you.
[19:00] <cheater> Beldar: thanks i'll do that
[19:00] <Beldar> cool .)
[19:00] <holstein> guideX: again, the "common"-ality is not the issue.. only linux support is the factor
[19:00] <guideX> two of those cards are far from legacy, and unity is also VERY far from light
[19:00] <Mailme45> Elementary OS, 64bit works on same laptop
[19:00] <guideX> hoplstein ah ok
[19:00] <holstein> guideX: unity is not meant to be light. and not advertised as such
[19:00] <guideX> well ok, I guess I will try switching to something more functional, like xfce
[19:01] <Beldar> Mailme45, Very small support with them, and not relevant is all.
[19:01] <holstein> guideX: unity works as advertised here.. i choose to use other DE"s becuase i want other funcitonality
[19:01] <guideX> ah ok, well at least it works for you guys...
[19:01] <reisio> I think with enough effort you can still use unity-2d, but
[19:01] <reisio> unity is basically just the same as any DE with a panel on the left...
[19:01] <holstein> guideX: xfce is not "more funcional".. its different.. and you may prefer it.. and are welcome to try it
[19:01] <Istalantar> reisio: tried your command, but an error tells me i need a password, do i need to add that to your command?
[19:02] <guideX> I can't even get to a terminal in unity, i'd say xfce is way more functional
[19:02] <guideX> or probably gnome 2/3 also
[19:02] <holstein> !tty | guideX
[19:02] <guideX> unity is just totally crippled by its own animations
[19:02] <holstein> guideX: both gnome and unity require 3d
[19:02] <guideX> ah okl
[19:02] <reisio> Istalantar: maybe it actually is encrypted then :)
[19:03] <holstein> guideX: its working as advertised here on hardware that supports linux
[19:03] <guideX> I've unfortunetly never been able to see that holstein
[19:03] <guideX> for me, it's always basically non functional
[19:03] <reisio> Istalantar: try bursting it with pdftk, then cat'ing it back together
[19:03] <guideX> but good you can use it:)
[19:03] <holstein> guideX: then, try another alternative.. there are many. you can try a xubuntu or lubuntu or kubuntu live CD easily. or install those into your installation
[19:04] <guideX> yeah that's what i'll have to do
[19:04] <holstein> guideX: i dont use it.. i dont prefer it.. i just use what i prefer.. but its not a problem with unity
[19:04] <reisio> Xfce is very easily configured to resemble Unity
[19:04] <reisio> if you actually want Unity merely non-accelerated
[19:04] <guideX> I'm sure it's not, but unity is also not ready for prime time imo
[19:04] <Istalantar> reisio: well, 'qpdf --password=PASSWORD --decrypt infile outfile' would do the trick, i already tried that ... i just want to know how to use it for several commands at once
[19:04] <bprompt> heheh
[19:04] <guideX> with problems like this, they should yank unity and go with something that works on more hardware
[19:04] <reisio> compiz isn't perfect, but it's more likely that your graphics driver is buggy
[19:04] <holstein> guideX: why not? it works as adviertised here. and you are not forced to use it for your "prime-time" use
[19:05] <reisio> or your hardware is simply underpowered
[19:05] <reisio> in which case you wouldn't want to use accelerated graphics, indeed
[19:05] <guideX> hmm I didn't install any gfx driver, this is right out of installation
[19:05] <bprompt> guideX:    A pessimist see the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist see the opportunity in every difficulty. ~~ Winston Churchill ~~
[19:05] <mickep> Istalantar: you can use a for loop.
[19:05] <guideX> I'm not really sure about drivers
[19:05] <GuppyMan> bit of a git noob here, how do I go about installing a driver from here? http://git.linuxtv.org/cgit.cgi/media_tree.git/about/
[19:05] <reisio> Istalantar: ah :)
[19:05] <guideX> I would assume it would finsd the correct driver no?
[19:05] <holstein> guideX: thats why i suggest looking into that, since driver support *can* cause the issues you are reporting.. unity and gnome require 3d
[19:06] <guideX> ah hmm
[19:06] <holstein> guideX: "it" cant ship the appropriate drivers.. its not allowed
[19:06] <Istalantar> mickep: i just dont know how to make a loop, i'm kinda new to linux
[19:06] <mojtaba> Hi, I have installed byobu, but the problem is that when I press F9, my desktop just become dimmer, and it does not show the menu of the byobu. Do you know what should I do?
[19:06] <reisio> Istalantar: what commands did you  have in mind?
[19:07] <guideX> it should probably work in a reduced fasion without the animations until a suitable driver is found, I still see it as a bug
[19:07] <The0x539> mojtaba: Does your f9 key on your physical keyboard hint at being a "brightness down" key
[19:07] <The0x539> well, first, is it a laptop
[19:07] <guideX> no os should take 30 seconds to show a menu
[19:07] <reisio> guideX: yup
[19:07] <guideX> anything like that is broken imo
[19:07] <holstein> guideX: file it, then, friend.. but, it *does* pass thorugh to 2d as stated
[19:07] <reisio> guideX: mmhmm
[19:07] <holstein> !bug | guideX
[19:07] <holstein> guideX: its working as advertised here..
[19:07] <mojtaba> The0x539: It does not matter where I am. In any software, F9 just dim my screen.
[19:08] <The0x539> mojtaba: Exactly
[19:08] <mickep> Istalantar: I never used it, but maybe something like: for i in *.pdf; do qpdf --password=PASSWORD --decrypt $i $i-new.pdf; done      BUT I'm not sure of syntax...
[19:08] <The0x539> mojtaba: Are you using a laptop
[19:08] <guideX> holstein: ah ok
[19:08] <Istalantar> reisio: i thought of something with: find -name 'NAME' -exec , but that didn't work
[19:08] <mojtaba> The0x539: Yes
[19:08] <GuppyMan> Nvm, think I know what to do.
[19:08] <The0x539> mojtaba: Does your F9 key have a small sun on it or anything?
[19:08] <reisio> mickep: Istalantar: might want "$i" instead of just $i, but otherwise should work fine
[19:08] <reisio> find would be even better
[19:09] <mojtaba> The0x539: No, it is for changing the sound. if I use Fn key.
[19:09] <The0x539> how odd
[19:09] <The0x539> Well, I'm out
[19:09] <mickep> reisio: I found a tip about adding a grub option, that might fix the sound. Will try when Mathematica and Dropbox file indexing are done :)
[19:09] <mojtaba> The0x539: When I press F9 the screen becomes dimmer and when I repress it again, it come back to the normal mode.
[19:09] <The0x539> mojtaba: Even odder
[19:09] <The0x539> again, out
[19:09] <The0x539> (
[19:10] <reisio> mickep: :)
[19:10] <mojtaba> Hi, I have installed byobu, but the problem is that when I press F9, my desktop just become dimmer, and it does not show the menu of the byobu. Do you know what should I do?
[19:10] <mojtaba> Does anybody know how can I change this functionality of F9 key? (it was by default with ubuntu)
[19:11] <reisio> mojtaba: fn+f9?
[19:11] <mojtaba> reisio: fn+f9 = increase sound
[19:11] <holstein> mojtaba: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Byobu
[19:11] <reisio> mojtaba: what makes you think f9 should do this thing you want it to do?
[19:12] <mojtaba> reisio: just f9: dim the screen. I guess the problem is with f9. It is like that in every application
[19:12] <holstein> mojtaba: i would just try and remap it in byobu
[19:12] <bprompt> mojtaba:     do you have a "multimedia keys" on the keyboard?   like " play> pause||  forward >>"  and so on?
[19:13] <zergut> hello, there is some problem with webcam
[19:13] <mojtaba> bprompt: Yes I do, but f9 is by default like that. (without fn key)
[19:13] <zergut> in flash applications
[19:14] <bprompt> mojtaba:    and you want it like that, right?
[19:14] <mojtaba> holstein: I have this behavior in all applications. Do you know how can I fix that?
[19:14] <mojtaba> bprompt: I do not want my f9 make my desktop dimmer.
[19:14] <reisio> zergut: yes?
[19:14] <bprompt> mojtaba:     that's usually bios-mapping, no app or OS-specific btw
[19:14] <zergut> reisio: it's just black
[19:14] <reisio> mojtaba: what makes you think f9 should do this thing you want it to do?
[19:14] <holstein> mojtaba: i would personally just try and remap.. if indeed youa re just having overlap
[19:14] <mojtaba> reisio: What do you mean?
[19:15] <reisio> zergut: is it dark where you are?
[19:15] <zergut> no ;D
[19:15] <reisio> mojtaba: what do you want f9 to do?
[19:15] <mojtaba> reisio: I do not want it to dim my desktop.
[19:15] <reisio> zergut: can you view your webcam not using Flash?
[19:15] <reisio> mojtaba: why not?
[19:15] <bprompt> mojtaba:     checked in your BIOS/uefi/setup screen?    it'd have an entry    can't recall exactly the spot, they're called "Action Menu Keys"  I think, and you can disable/enable them
[19:15] <holstein> mojtaba: could be wired up through the bios to do so
[19:15] <zergut> reisio: yes
[19:16] <holstein> mojtaba: i would just remap til i get what i want..
[19:16] <mojtaba> reisio: In byobu F9 is going to show the menu, but mine just dim the screen.
[19:16] <reisio> mojtaba: what says f9 is the menu for byobu?
[19:16] <reisio> anyways, you can remap keys from compiz config
[19:16] <mojtaba> reisio: menu (configuration)
[19:17] <bprompt> mojtaba:    are you on an hp pavillion?
[19:17] <mojtaba> bprompt: I am aware of multifunctionality of the keyboard with fn keys.
[19:17] <mojtaba> bprompt: it is dell studio 1555
[19:17] <bprompt> mojtaba:     ..ok... check bios/uefi/setup menu yet?
[19:18] <bprompt> mojtaba:   they usually go by the name of "action menu keys" I think
[19:18] <mojtaba> bprompt: I don't have uefi. Where is the bios directory?
[19:18] <bprompt> mojtaba:     setup, when you boot, where you set "boot sequence" and other configurations, BEFORE any OS
[19:19] <mojtaba> bprompt: You mean I should restart now?
[19:19] <mojtaba> bprompt: And what after that?
[19:19] <reisio> lot of computers don't show bios splashes anymore unless you press the magic key :p
[19:19] <mojtaba> holstein: How can override that?
[19:19] <holstein> mojtaba: the suggestion is, to remap in the bios.. you can also remap byobu to something that is not in use
[19:19] <bprompt> mojtaba:     on a Dell I think it' be F2 to get in setup..... .look for the "action menu key" to disable them
[19:20] <mojtaba> bprompt: I know that, when I disable them, the fn key is not working anymore, right?
[19:20] <bprompt> or enable them, either way, they seem to be not what you want right now
[19:20] <holstein> mojtaba: or, just remap to a key that is not in use
[19:20] <mojtaba> holstein: How can I do that?
[19:20] <mojtaba> holstein: I am totally new to byobu
[19:21] <holstein> mojtaba: i would refer to the byobu documentation.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Byobu#Key_Bindings is where i would start
[19:21] <bprompt> mojtaba:     hmmm well... when disabled, you NEED the [fn]   extra key to say, set the brightness.... so instead of being F9, it'd  require fn-f9 combination
[19:21] <holstein> mojtaba: http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/49933/f9-key-with-byobu for example
[19:21] <mojtaba> bprompt: The problem is different.
[19:21] <bprompt> mojtaba:  how so?
[19:22] <holstein> mojtaba: states, you can use byobu-config in place of f9
[19:22] <mojtaba> bprompt: I am aware of fn functionality. With fn my F9 decreases sound. without fn F9 dims the screen (everywhere.) Although I can change the brightness with fn+F4&F5.
[19:23] <bprompt> hmmm
[19:23] <bprompt> mojtaba:   in all apps?
[19:23] <mojtaba> bprompt: yes
[19:24] <kane77> hi, I just did a fresh installation of 14.04 and I have problem with my eth
[19:24] <kane77> I am able to connect to wifi,  but not ethernet
[19:25] <kane77> the interface is there, but it cannot connect, "sudo dhclient eth0" just stalls
 mojtaba: http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/49933/f9-key-with-byobu for example
[19:25] <mojtaba> Do you know how can I open compiz config manager?
[19:25] <reisio> mojtaba: from the dash/menu
[19:26] <mojtaba> reisio: what should I type?
[19:26] <reisio> mojtaba: compiz
[19:26] <bprompt> mojtaba:     so... seems the key got mapped but the menu access was removed.... then I gather you can just remap it.....    the app I can think offhand for that might be   xkeycaps
[19:27] <mojtaba> reisio: It does not show up
[19:27] <reisio> compiz (the default wm) can remap on its own
[19:27] <mojtaba> bprompt: I think I found a link to solve my problem.
[19:27] <mojtaba> bprompt: https://plus.google.com/107731463416950158458/posts/gXa4sx7Zpmb
[19:27] <reisio> mojtaba: which ccsm
[19:27] <mojtaba> reisio: what is ccsm?
[19:31] <mojtaba> reisio: I am using ubuntu 14.04 lts
[19:32] <mickep> reisio: Just want to report that it did not work. I'll probably buy another sound card tomorrow and see if that solves it... Thanks for trying to help, though.
[19:32] <reisio> mickep: did you say the sound works okay on the live OS?
[19:33] <mickep> reisio: I did not try it. I still have the usb stick, so that is something to try...
[19:33] <Nothing_Much> I need help compiling a kernel
[19:33] <Nothing_Much> For a patch
[19:33] <Nothing_Much> Can I get some help/
[19:33] <Nothing_Much> ?
[19:34] <reisio> mickep: do that before you spend money :p
[19:34] <reisio> mickep: if it works in any other Os, it's not likely a hardware issue
[19:34] <reisio> Nothing_Much: what patch?
[19:35] <Nothing_Much> reisio: this one: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=101179&action=edit
[19:35] <Nothing_Much> It's a problem with Radeon and DPM on MSI motherboards
[19:35] <Nothing_Much> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72921
[19:36] <Nothing_Much> bug report ^
[19:37] <reisio> Nothing_Much: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[19:37] <Ben64> Nothing_Much: the guy who made the patch doesn't know if it works, i'd suggest not trying that
[19:37] <LeMike> okay. even sh scripts bring me down :P what is it when I do "FOO=*.tar" that the content of $FOO are all files matching the pattern?
[19:37] <Nothing_Much> Ben64: Huh? I thought I would test it out though
[19:38] <guideX> does anyone know of a vhosts file example?
[19:38] <guideX> I know there's this one... https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-apache-virtual-hosts-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts
[19:38] <guideX> but it's not a full example, it has [...] at the bottom
[19:38] <reisio> LeMike: foo=$(ls *.pdf)
[19:38] <reisio> LeMike: or foo=$(find . -type f -iname '*.pdf')
[19:39] <daviator> hello.
[19:39] <reisio> LeMike: what're you going to do with the tar files?
[19:39] <reisio> daviator: 'lo
[19:39] <guideX> nm found one
[19:39] <daviator> :)
[19:39] <reisio> gj
[19:39] <daviator> ?
[19:39] <daviator> hello :)
[19:39] <reisio> hi
[19:39] <aJunkThrone> what pdf reader does ubuntu use?
[19:40] <bprompt> aJunkThrone:   evince
[19:40] <aJunkThrone> bprompt, thanks
[19:40] <daviator> yesterday i was talking to DAVID-A about ubuntu do not want to go into sleep mode
[19:40] <bprompt> aJunkThrone:   though I prefer okular or qpdfview
[19:40] <ronaldsmazitis> hello somebody sees what I was writing on #facebook
[19:41] <LeMike> nah reisio . my problem is that I get the files. but I don't want the files. I want the string itself: https://gist.github.com/sourcerer-mike/1acf3775408636fd096e
[19:41] <ronaldsmazitis> ?
[19:41] <aJunkThrone> bprompt, why is that
[19:41] <daviator> i have found a solution
[19:41] <Nothing_Much> reisio: How do I apply a patch to the kernel?
[19:41] <daviator> i just updated ubuntu from xubuntu 12.04 to xubuntu 14.04
[19:42] <guideX> what text editor do you guys recommend
[19:42] <daviator> this version go asleep in a second :)
[19:42] <guideX> something very simple, like notepad.exe
[19:42] <daviator> leafpad
[19:42] <bprompt> aJunkThrone:     IMO better UI, qpdfview is pretty much okular, only difference is qpdfview is multitab and you can arrange the tabs,    though I'd say the Adobe Reader 9.x has tabs too, qpdfview is just faster
[19:42] <daviator> or mouse pad
[19:42] <daviator> vi
[19:42] <guideX> vi is too hard
[19:42] <guideX> I know a little vi, and I don't like it
[19:42] <daviator> leafpad
[19:42] <guideX> oki cool I'll check that iout
[19:42] <daviator> :)
[19:43] <michagogo> Can an Ubuntu server be upgraded from precise to trusty?
[19:43] <michagogo> Is it just do-release-upgrade?
[19:43] <daviator> is here any one from ukraine?
[19:43] <GuppyMan> Hello, I am trying to install a driver for a TV tuner card.  I followed the directions in the first section of this guide: http://git.linuxtv.org/cgit.cgi/media_tree.git/about/  But wanted to know if I still needed to ./build and install.
[19:44] <guideX> you're right, leafpad is like notepad :D:D:D
[19:44] <guideX> so happy
[19:44] <daviator> good :)
[19:44] <guideX> can use the arrow keys, and type letters/numbers...
[19:44] <Ben64> GuppyMan: its likely that the driver already exists
[19:44] <reisio> Nothing_Much: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patch_%28Unix%29
[19:44] <Moonlightning> How do I mount the usual /boot when I'm booted to an install disc? I'm not sure which of the `/dev/sda`s it is.
[19:44] <GuppyMan> Ben64: It does not show up in tvheadend though.
[19:45] <Nothing_Much> reisio: Thanks
[19:45] <Ben64> GuppyMan: does it make a /dev/video0
[19:45] <kane77> hi, I just did a fresh installation of 14.04 and I have problem with my ethernet interface, I'm able to connect to wifi, but not to eth0, although it is visible under ifconfig
[19:45] <bprompt> Moonlightning:     sudo fdisk -l   <-- to see which is it
[19:45] <GuppyMan> No, only thing that starts with v in dev is v4l
[19:46] <Moonlightning> Thanks, bprompt.
[19:46] <LeMike> I am still afraid of making something like Thunar my default file manager or geany my default editor. I always fuck up the system :/
[19:46] <bprompt> Moonlightning:    then just -> sudo mount /dev/sd[whatever]    MOUNTPOINT
[19:46] <GuppyMan> Ben64:No, only thing that starts with v in dev is v4l
[19:46] <reisio> LeMike: impossible :)
[19:46] <Moonlightning> Yep, got that part. Thank you. ^^
[19:47] <Nothing_Much> reisio: I'm not sure I understand
[19:47] <Nothing_Much> I know the commands
[19:47] <Nothing_Much> I don't know where the file TO be patched is
[19:47] <aJunkThrone> bprompt, etracting text from evince can be a little messy. Does ocular do the same?
[19:47] <bprompt> aJunkThrone:    you mean you want to grab text as text/plain out of a pdf?
[19:48] <aJunkThrone> bprompt, yeah something like that
[19:48] <bprompt> aJunkThrone:    the "messy" part is true for pretty much any pdf-app really, due to the pdf encoding
[19:48] <solars> hey, can anyone tell me how to install xvidcap on 13.10? I don't find the package
[19:49] <GuppyMan> Ben64:I will try a restart.
[19:49] <aJunkThrone> bprompt, also ocular seems to be a kde app :/ i dont want to install a bunch of dependancies
[19:50] <guideX> can someone help me setting up my apache site? I have my vhost file, and I type a2ensite <vhostfile> and it says "Site <site> does not exist!"
[19:50] <guideX> I also have my host file entry
[19:50] <Megabyte> hello again, everyone
[19:51] <GuppyMan> Ben64: Still not recognized in tvheadend unfortunately.
[19:51] <bprompt> aJunkThrone:      I  heard that many times.... I always wonder if it's just a storage concern, or just centrism.... yes, I do use kde.... and not sure by how many libs you may need to install... I use gtk apps too and depending of what they do, some are better than kde's, doesn't matter that much so long they perform
[19:51] <GuppyMan> Ben64: Strangely, TvTime pulls a signal from a VCR through the coaxial.
[19:52] <bprompt> aJunkThrone:    okular is pretty well rated, if you wish to look it up, and works well, I could install evince if I wanted too, I find okular better UI wise
[19:52] <Megabyte> raido, Still there?
[19:57] <Xasin> Hello! I need some support with GRUB - After starting the PC, all I get is "Invalid arch independent ELF magic".
[19:58] <aJunkThrone> bprompt, thanks :)
[19:58] <Moonlightning> Hmmmm. I think I found the problem here. :|
[19:59] <Xasin> I can start the PC and boot the USB Stick I have - That is where I am on right now.
[19:59] <CharlieSheen> [Xasin] do you have a elf?
[19:59] <Moonlightning> {initrd.img,vmlinux} and {initrd.img,vmlinux}.old are pointing to the same files/
[19:59] <cipher__> Can I check if aptitude is currently installing a package? (ssh connection failed during an install)
[19:59] <Xasin> A ELF? I am not sure, where would that be indicated?
[19:59] <holstein> cipher__: i would do that in screen, so you can keep the session running on the host.. i would just run the commands again, and deal with any errors..
[20:00] <reisio> cipher__: ps aux | grep -i apt
[20:00] <cipher__> holstein: the install wouldn't have ceased do to my disconnect?
[20:01] <holstein> cipher__: in screen, it would not have. you would be running screen, be disconnected and be able to reconect.. but, thats for next time.. im suggesting now that you run the commands again, and deal with errors
[20:01] <holstein> cipher__: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and deal with errors. or whatever you did before
[20:01] <cipher__> it still appears to be running according to ps
[20:03] <holstein> cipher__: i know what i would do.. that can be quite dangerous.. i would kill whatever or reboot and deal with package errors that can be there.. then, i would use screen in the future via ssh, so that disconnection doesnt break things
[20:03] <guideX> when I type a2ensite <mysite> it says "ERROR: <site> does not exist!" what could I be doing wrong?
[20:03] <cipher__> holstein: thanks
[20:04] <cipher__> though it appeared to complete successfuly
[20:04] <Nothing_Much> Can I get some step-by-step help with patching and compiling a kernel please??
[20:04] <cipher__> successfully*
[20:04] <holstein> cipher__: test that it did, or not. and i would run the commands again, since that literally wont hurt anything..
[20:04] <holstein> cipher__: dont assume.. just run them again..
[20:04] <airsploit> Nothing_Much read the forums carefully...
[20:05] <holstein> Nothing_Much: you dont really need to.. ubuntu supplies a kernel
[20:05] <holstein> Nothing_Much: here are steps.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[20:05] <Beldar> Xasin, This a formerly or still W8 computer?
[20:05] <Nothing_Much> holstein: That page is too outdated
[20:06] <Xasin> Right now Windows 8, Beldar.
[20:06] <Xasin> If you mean that.
[20:06] <MaynardWaters> MaynardWaters> hey I'm running ubuntu
[20:06] <MaynardWaters> 15:03 < MaynardWaters> and I've added a few of the studio extras
[20:06] <MaynardWaters> 15:03 < MaynardWaters> I have this weird thing happen when I try to play movies
[20:06] <MaynardWaters> 15:03 < MaynardWaters> it gives me sound, but not the full sound of the movie
[20:06] <MaynardWaters> 15:04 < MaynardWaters> its as if maybe I'm only getting 2 of 5.1 channels or something similar
[20:06] <MaynardWaters> 15:04 < MaynardWaters> when i stream the exact same movie file across my
[20:06] <unopaste> MaynardWaters you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[20:07] <reisio> MaynardWaters: so hard to condense into one msg? :p
[20:07] <Beldar> Xasin, What I want to know is uefi and gpt partition info basically?
[20:07] <holstein> Nothing_Much: the process is the same, friend
[20:07] <Beldar> and if W8 is still there Xasin
[20:07] <holstein> Nothing_Much: you are welcome to update the wiki as you please
[20:07] <Nothing_Much> holstein: I'm confused about it
[20:07] <Nothing_Much> The fakeroot debian/rules thing doesn't do anything
[20:07] <MaynardWaters> reisio: sry
[20:07] <Beldar> Xasin, Is ell actually efi?
[20:08] <reisio> MaynardWaters: when you stream...?
[20:08] <Beldar> elf*
[20:09] <Xasin> Right, uhm ... I am not too experienced with Ubuntu right now, so for some things you might need to explain a little more, Beldar, sorry.
[20:09] <MaynardWaters> I'll connect to the main server hosting the files nad play them via vlc over the network
[20:10] <Beldar> Xasin, Sure, so this has or had a manufactures install of W8, conform if still and in these parameters. Also is Elf Efi?
[20:10] <lolek> hi guys, after one of the latest system updates (probably from saturday or maybe yesterday)... my system (12.04 ) has become unusable and it's slow like a snail. There is something wrong with the graphics I can see that right now when I type something .. piding is doing like 80% of cpu, compiz is doing 10% and /usr/bin/X is doing like 30% :/
[20:10] <Xasin> Also, if that is ok, I would like to use a private chat for fixing this problem. That way it is a little easier for me to follow.
[20:10] <lolek> my machine is elitebook 2540p (intel graphic card)
[20:11] <Nothing_Much> The fakeroot debian/rules thing doesn't do anything
[20:11] <lolek> any idea what's wrong?
[20:11] <Beldar> Xasin, I don;t do private, and you want the channel to see this, we all watch and help each other here, this is a complex issue.
[20:11] <lolek> oh, btw I've got external screen connected to this laptop
[20:13] <Xasin> Alright. Well, if W8 means Windows 8, then yes. This PC came preinstalled with windows 8, and I let it update to the windows 8.1 version I think. I already have disabled safe boot, if that is important, and this Laptop has UEFI from my knowledge. How to check if ELF is EFI I do not know. ELF where the exact words on the error report.
[20:15] <RayS> doing a xfs_ repair, tried a couple of times and it seems stuck on Phase 5 - rebuilding AG headers and trees
[20:16] <RayS> strace doesn't show anything, but cpu on the proc is high.
[20:16] <Beldar> Xasin, You best option is to use this app on the live ubuntu and run the bootinfo summary no repairs and post it at the thread provided in this post. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10871917#post10871917
[20:16] <RayS> not sure whats going on and how to move forward
[20:16] <Xasin> Alright then.
[20:17] <Beldar> Xasin, Besides maybe one or two users here that thread is focused on these dual bots and are top notch.
[20:17] <Beldar> boots
[20:19] <Xasin> Right. One question: Should I just try the reinstallation of grub? After I installed the OS it did start fine. Only problem was that I could not use my Realtek WIFI, and a rather experienced friend told me to update the kernel, and how. After that I wanted to use grub customizer to change the names on the menue, and at that point it gave me an erro
[20:19] <Xasin> r.
[20:20] <Moonlightning> apt seems to be pointing /boot/{vmlinux,initrd.img}.old at the current versions. That's not intended behavior, is it?
[20:22] <Beldar> Xasin, preface responses to others with their nick, and I would not suggest messing with it in any way, I asked a couple of really basic but important questions E.g. UEFI and gpr and you were not familiar
[20:22] <Beldar> gpt*
[20:22] <Xasin> Right, sorry Beldar. Then I will just do that.
[20:23] <Beldar> Xasin, No biggie, we just want no bricking is all.
[20:24] <cheater> Beldar: regarding my interrupted do-release-upgrade: i tried doing apt-get -f install but it says it couldn't get /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[20:24] <roothorick> Where are the suspend/resume user scripts in 14.04? Apparently /etc/pm is defunct?
[20:24] <cheater> what should i do?
[20:24] <Beldar> cheater, And you had rebooted to the tty fresh?
[20:25] <Beldar> no other commands?
[20:25] <cheater> no Beldar
[20:25] <cheater> that's the first command related to this that i ran right after pressint ctrl-c on do-release-upgrade.
[20:25] <cheater> *pressing
[20:25] <Beldar> cheater, You have tried to reboot right from your post you said it would not boot
[20:25] <Schalla> Hello folks. I got the issue that I want to route subdomain.domain.ext to folder /var/www/subdomain and *.domain.ext (Excluding subdomain.domain.ext) to /var/www, how can you debug this proper? When enabled, my apache only routes to *.domain.ext
[20:25] <cheater> no, i said i don't want to reboot, because i guess it wouldn't boot
[20:26] <cheater> i didn't reboot.
[20:26] <cheater> i ran do-release-upgrade, pressed ctrl-c, and didn't do anything else. then i did apt-get -f install and it's complaining about the lock.
[20:27] <Beldar> cheater, Ah my missread, how far into the setup was it?
[20:27] <cheater> i don't know anymore
[20:27] <cheater> i think "configuring packageS"
[20:27] <cheater> if i do ps aux | grep dpkg then i see this:
[20:27] <Beldar> cheater, use nicks here please note I preface with yours.
[20:27] <cheater> root     17280  0.0  0.1  13496  8292 pts/0    Ss   20:45   0:00 /usr/bin/dpkg --force-overwrite --status-fd 56 --configure libdconf1:i386 dconf-service:i386 dconf-gsettings-backend:i386 libgtk-3-common:all libatk1.0-data:all libatk1.0-0:i386 libatspi2.0-0:i386 libatk-bridge2.0-0:i386 libxcb-render0:i386 libxcb-shm0:i386 libxrender1:i386 libcairo2:i386 libcairo-gobject2:i386 liblcms2-2:i386 ...
[20:28] <Xasin> Right, Beldar, here the file: http://paste2.org/23t0C7np  (Yes, I have made no changes.)
[20:29] <cheater> ... libcolord1:i386 libavahi-common-data:i386 libavahi-common3:i386 libavahi-client3:i386 libcups2:i386 libwayland-cursor0:i386 libxcomposite1:i386 libxfixes3:i386 libxcursor1:i386 libxdamage1:i386 libxinerama1:i386 (....and so on)
[20:29] <cheater> Beldar: ok
[20:29] <cheater> i really need to get this going - i need the laptop for work tomorrow, and it's 10 pm already :(
[20:29] <Beldar> cheater, Your just in a situation that, if it were me since I have everything cloned I would just reboot to the tty and finish the upgrade, however some might say to unlock and try from there, not sure to be honest
[20:30] <cheater> Beldar: where can i go to find someone who will know?
[20:30] <cheater> bear in mind the dpkg process out there that's still running
[20:31] <Beldar> cheater, Sure, but this is your issue not ours hurrying may be your worst move. This is an excellent channel, but this is not unusual but a user error, so you are a bit in limbo is all.
[20:32] <cheater> Beldar: are there other channels related to ubuntu?
[20:32] <cheater> with more activity perhaps?
[20:32] <Beldar> cheater, not on freenode.
[20:33] <cheater> what about ones not on freenode?
[20:35] <Beldar> cheater, nicks man, I think you only real option is the reboot to a tty and pray.
[20:36] <Xasin> Beldar, it also told me that EFI was detected, by the way. Would a reinstall with the standart EFI File do the job? Or would that now work out?
[20:36] <cheater> Beldar: i think your advice is not sound.
[20:37] <lolek> guys, any idea what's wrong with unity on dual screen? /usr/bin/X is doing over 50% cpu when moving only mouse :(
[20:37] <Beldar> cheater, Being fully backed up and or a cloned OS was your best insurance, always be prepared for any contingency. If you think it is not sound don't do it, honestly it means nothing to me. ;)
[20:37] <cheater> Beldar: you showing off and gleeing won't help me in my situation in any way.
[20:37] <tpayne> How do i prevent my ubuntu ssh connection from timing out?
[20:38] <Beldar> Xasin, Not sure, this UEFI stuff not many of us are familiar with.
[20:38] <crc32> I'm using the gnome network manage. How do I raise the timeout during authentication via 802.11x security? It just seems like it failes after 10 seconds or so.
[20:38] <crc32> ?
[20:38] <cheater> Beldar: if you have nothing constructive to say, spare me.
[20:38] <Xasin> Right, so should I try the repair tool with standart EFI File option checked? Or is that something not recommended?
[20:39] <Beldar> cheater, NO I am a regular helper here have been for years, and have around 12000 post on the ubuntu forums under the nick wilee-nilee, I am being honest with you, and if I was messing with you the others here would say something.
[20:39] <lolek> even unity 2d doesn't help.. only disconnecting secondary screen is working but it's not an option :/
[20:39] <Beldar> cheater, I did, but you are clueless so best of luck.
[20:40] <Beldar> cheater, and welcome to ignore.
[20:40] <Beldar> what an ass
[20:41] <cheater> i'm not going to comment on Beldar's exit.
[20:42] <IdleOne> Good idea. back to support now :)
[20:42] <Xasin> Great, there goes my help for grub ... Anybody else who can tell me if I should or should not use the boot repair tool?
[20:42] <cheater> i have made some progress actually
[20:42] <coemah> hello all, for two days I have the problem that my recently installed system boots without a splash screen, that is, the commands flow across a black background. when it's done, the recovery menu appears, where I select 'resume to normal boot', and when the system boots this time normally, there come graphical oddities, like bigger launcher size with some icons missing, and a short grey screen just before the desktop loads at start. I am writing from this la
[20:42] <coemah> tter system now. how can I fix this?
[20:43] <subz3r0> Xasin: no idea where the issue is. since i did not read it completely... but i suggest to save the boodloader and the partition table with "dd"
[20:43] <cheater> apparently this dpkg that's in my ps is the one launched by do-release-upgrade, and using strace i can see it's waiting for the interactive bash session to terminate. I seem to remember that the whole thing was inside screen of some sort. the parent process of that dpkg process is called "saucy". So now there is the question of how can I receive a terminal which gets output from that dpkg again?
[20:44] <Xasin> My issue is following error at startup: invalid arch independent ELF magic, to inform you, subz3r0.
[20:45] <xavierio07> Hi, has anyone had any luck with unattended-updates... It runs fine but pulls down both security updates and package updates.  I only want the security updates and I've configured /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades to only pull down security upgrade.
[20:46] <cobracommand> how do I make a shortcut on the desktop to a .sh file in a folder that has permissions (owner create and delete, group access files, others access files) in ubuntu unity 12.04?
[20:46] <subz3r0> Xasin: before you do anything, make backups all the time. just clone the MBR and the partition table
[20:46] <Xasin> Ok, luckily the boot repair can do that too.
[20:46] <subz3r0> like: sudo dd if=/dev/sdX of=mbr_save bs=512 count=1
[20:46] <subz3r0> kk :)
[20:47] <Xasin> Alright, there we go. Backup if I need to.
[20:48] <infinmed> hi
[20:48] <Xasin> The option for the separate /boot/efi option is poiting to sda2, which, to my knowledge, comes from Windows ... Is that an option to change?
[20:48] <infinmed> http://tptp.cc/images/me_first_sanctuary.jpg fan photos! lol this was yesterday
[20:48] <Xasin> At subz3r0.
[20:49] <infinmed> erps what's the off topic channel
[20:49] <infinmed> i forget
[20:49] <subz3r0> ahhhh EFI...
[20:49] <subz3r0> Nevermind then!
[20:49] <subz3r0> i did not work with it for now. and nope i dont even want to ;)
[20:49] <infinmed> I found it
[20:50] <Xasin> Right, that can help me a lot, can it ... So, anybody here with knowledge for these things? Or should I just try the repair?
[20:50] <ozbrkx> hi guys I want to download and install the leatest ATI drivers from the website but first I need to remove the drivers which I just installed from external drivers feature.
[20:50] <crc32> Does any one know how to raise the NetworkManager dhcp and 802.11x timeout value so that I don't lock my self out of the network should authentication take over 15 seconds
[20:50] <crc32> ?
[20:50] <ozbrkx> how can I delete the old drivers
[20:51] <jhasse> hi! I'm having wifi problems and noticed that the newest firmware for my wifi card isn't in /lib/firmware. The package linux-firmware contains the file though. Why isn't it there?
[20:52] <MagicSpud> hello I have a dual boot system windows7-ubuntu12.04 and I use ubuntu most... the point is that I often use the moon button of my keyboard that it makes the computer totally stop except for a blinking led light. when I press the moon button again the system awakes exactly as I left it, music on or programs and windows I was using exactly as I left them. I find this saving energy state awesome...but I cant get windows 7 perform the
[20:52] <MagicSpud> same any clue here?
[20:53] <histo> MagicSpud: perhaps ask in ##windows
[20:53] <MagicSpud> histo I did...waiting
[20:53] <histo> MagicSpud: okay well they can help you with the windows suspend stuff
[20:54] <ozbrkx> any ideas for removing old graphichs drivers ? or should I format the all system
[20:54] <coemah> hello everyone, my system shows command lines at booting, and enters into recovery menu. when I select reboot there, it loads the system with graphical errors. how can I repair this?
[20:54] <histo> ozbrkx: just apt-get remove packagename
[20:54] <leeyaa> hello
[20:54] <MagicSpud> histo just in case it wasnt working how would I enable this in ubuntu¿
[20:54] <histo> coemah: what errors
[20:54] <leeyaa> if i add bash /path/script.sh to rc.local would it run on system boot ?
[20:54] <ozbrkx> histo: thats the problem I don't know the package name all I know is I installed it from
[20:55] <histo> MagicSpud: with power management settings
[20:55] <ozbrkx> histo: Addinitonal drivers
[20:55] <MagicSpud> configuration?
[20:55] <histo> leeyaa: yes if it's executable and it exits 0
[20:55] <histo> ozbrkx: driver for what?
[20:55] <leeyaa> histo: only if it exits with 0 ?
[20:55] <histo> leeyaa: no errors
[20:55] <histo> leeyaa: and doesn't just hang open
[20:55] <coemah> histo: big launcher icons, a short grey screen before desktop first appears..but aside from that, as I wrote, it enters into recovery
[20:55] <ozbrkx> histo: Graphichs card (a.k.a. Atı Radeon HD 5830)
[20:55] <coemah> also some icons missing from launcher
[20:56] <leeyaa> histo: yeah it does exit 0
[20:56] <histo> coemah: what video driver are you using
[20:56] <leeyaa> so i only need to make it executable
[20:56] <histo> ozbrkx: dpkg -l | grep fglrx
[20:56] <leeyaa> thanks
[20:57] <ozbrkx> histo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7654995/
[20:57] <leeyaa> histo: so something like 	bash /mnt/hostopia_migration/software/xvfb_daemon.sh start should work yes ?
[20:57] <histo> ozbrkx: you can remove the fglrx-amdcccle-update and fglrx-updates packages
[20:58] <tezlex> hello?
[20:58] <histo> leeyaa: why is it in /mnt?
[20:58] <Hornet> I'm having issues with sshfs; a remote server will not let me move files via cut and paste in nautilus, or via some other utilities, with a generic 'operation not permitted' error, but an mv command via ssh, works perfectly
[20:58] <leeyaa> histo: doesnt matter, will it work? :)
[20:58] <histo> leeyaa: yes it does matter if that mountpoint is up or not when the script runs
[20:58] <Hornet> which as I understand it should be impossible
[20:58] <leeyaa> histo: it is local partition
[20:58] <leeyaa> it isnt nfs
[20:58] <ozbrkx> histo: E: Unable to locate package fglrx-amdcccle-update
[20:58] <leeyaa> or some network storage
[20:58] <cheater> ok, apparently it worked to kill that dpkg process, then run apt-get -f install, which aborted and told me to do sudo dpkg --configure -a.
[20:59] <leeyaa> histo: does it run before or after local partitions get mounted ?
[20:59] <coemah> histo, it is possibly this:  Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
[20:59] <histo> leeyaa: why don't you copy the script somewhere sane and use it
[20:59] <leeyaa> histo: long story
[20:59] <leeyaa> will it work or not if partition is local
[20:59] <cheater> dpkg continued configuring packages.
[20:59] <histo> coemah: what were you doing when this occured.
[21:00] <histo> leeyaa: try and see
[21:00] <leeyaa> histo: well i cant reboot
[21:00] <coemah> histo, trying to boot the system?
[21:00] <leeyaa> ok, then the question is: should ir work ?
[21:00] <leeyaa> it*
[21:00] <histo> leeyaa: why can't your reboot?
[21:00] <histo> coemah: was the system working before
[21:00] <leeyaa> histo: because i cant, not until the weekend
[21:00] <histo> !details | coemah
[21:00] <ozbrkx> histo: ok I got it should I do anything after removing those two otherwise I will restart the system
[21:01] <histo> leeyaa: it should work but what you are doing makes no sense and I'm sure there is a better way
[21:01] <coemah> coemah, yes, it worked first. after a short time from the system's installation, it began to give this error.
[21:01] <histo> ozbrkx: What driver do you plan on using?
[21:01] <leeyaa> histo: yes, there is. ill add it to init.d scripts next week. for now i just needed to make sure it will autostart in case system gets rebooted for some reason
[21:02] <coemah> sorry..histo, yes, it worked first. after a short time from the system's installation, it began to give this error.
[21:02] <histo> leeyaa: depends on what your script does and it's exit status
[21:02] <ozbrkx> histo: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Linux%20x86_64#amd-catalyst-packages
[21:02] <leeyaa> histo: it exits with 0
[21:02] <histo> leeyaa: then yes
[21:02] <leeyaa> gret
[21:02] <leeyaa> great* thanks
[21:02] <histo> ozbrkx: okay well install those and reboot
[21:02] <ozbrkx> ok
[21:03] <Hornet> I'm having issues with sshfs; a remote server will not let me move files via cut and paste in nautilus, or via some other utilities, with a generic 'operation not permitted' error, but an mv command via ssh, works perfectly.  anyone encoutered this or similar before?
[21:03] <Chiarot> Question for you guys, I have a ubuntu server that is doing DHCP, I'd like to add a PXE server into my network as well, what would I add into the dhcpd.conf to ensure it points to the correct box for pxe?
[21:03] <histo> Hornet: are you using the same user in command line as in the gui mode?
[21:04] <Hornet> histo: indeed
[21:04] <histo> Chiarot: try in #ubuntu-server
[21:04] <Chiarot> K, thanks I'll try there.
[21:04] <histo> Hornet: what if you move the files in a terminal from the mountpoint to some other place.
[21:04] <fbdystang> Beldar: so I have been trying to get this modem working on the current kernel as you suggested. It does show up in network manager, however it continuously states that it is disabled. Any advice?
[21:05] <histo> Hornet: does it work that way?
[21:05] <Hornet> histo: that's how I'm working around it at the moment
[21:05] <histo> Hornet: also what is the permissions of the mount point ls -l /sshfs/mount
[21:05] <Hornet> issue MAY be that the first place is a different physical drive to the destination
[21:05] <Hornet> 777
[21:06] <histo> Hornet: and the permissions of the destination?
[21:06] <Hornet> wait, it's changed to 0755 root after the sshfs command
[21:07] <Hornet> it was 777 hornet (local user)
[21:07] <Pici> just spent /29
[21:07] <linuxuz3r> hi
[21:07] <linuxuz3r> can i change the unity dock color?
[21:07] <Hornet> where do you mean by destination? the entire remote filesystem? or just the place I'm trying to move files to?
[21:08] <histo> Hornet: wel 755 would work for read but you wouldn't be able to write there
[21:08] <Hornet> where I'm trying to move the files from & to is all 777
[21:08] <Hornet> as I say, mv works perfectly
[21:08] <histo> Hornet: ls -l file_you_are_trying_to_move   and ls -l /directory/your/moving/to    please pasatebin the results
[21:09] <histo> Hornet: okay nvm then
[21:09] <histo> Hornet: try gksu nautilus
[21:09] <ozbrkx> histo: it says a previous installation has been detected
[21:09] <histo> ozbrkx: ok
[21:09] <histo> !ati | ozbrkx
[21:09] <nnnmmm> linuxuz3r, this may help. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Theming#Unity_Panel
[21:10] <Hornet> histo: it can't follow the mount
[21:11] <histo> Hornet: are you writing to the mount or from it?
[21:11] <Hornet> 'yes'
[21:11] <histo> Hornet: so both read and write access is needed?
[21:12] <Hornet> trying to move/rename files from a dump directory into the proper place, on the NAS server
[21:12] <Hornet> indeed
[21:12] <Hornet> and mv works perfectly
[21:12] <Hornet> weirdly, the right-click nautilus/nemo command to move, also works
[21:12] <Hornet> but not cut & paste
[21:12] <histo> Hornet: if you are just moving files aroudn ont he nas why are you using sshfs
[21:13] <Hornet> because the network share doesn't share the entire computer
[21:13] <Hornet> and the drive I'm moving from isn't part of the share
[21:13] <Hornet> also if I had them mounted as two shares, it would move files unintelligently
[21:13] <Hornet> if they're via ssh, a move is just a rename
[21:14] <Hornet> not a download/upload
[21:14] <Hornet> slightly different situation as the move is across drives
[21:14] <Hornet> but principle applies
[21:14] <histo> Hornet: probably has something to do with it being a tcp connection vs. udp but some network genius may provide more light on the situation.  If you mounted both places via some other means, not using ssh it would probably work.
[21:15] <histo> I have to go though
[21:15] <Hornet> k, many thanks for your hep thus far
[21:15] <linuxuz3r> cant seem to ping my ubuntu desktop from my ubuntu laptop
[21:16] <linuxuz3r> can someone help
[21:16] <patryk_> siema
[21:16] <patryk_> kto pl
[21:16] <jeward> Hi, I have to use AT&T Global Network VPN client.  It stomps on /etc/resolv.conf and spoild DNS for other VPNs.  Any idea how to fix this?
[21:17] <PCPinjecti0n> Hey guys! is there a safe way to decrypt your home folder, during installation i decided to encrypt it and now i have an account-daemon error every startup...?
[21:18] <WilsonMathew> I am trying to install awesomewm in ubuntu 14.04. I did "sudo apt-get install awesome" but when I log out of ubuntu it doesn't let me choose the awesome desktop manager.
[21:18] <fbdystang> Hi, I ran into an issue a while back. Network Manager automatically disables mobile broadband, and clicking to enable it just goes away after connection attempt. Please advise.
[21:18] <WilsonMathew> is there something I should be doing to set this up?
[21:19] <WilsonMathew> I got i3 on it and it was easy to get.
[21:21] <linuxuz3r> whats a good temp monitor for ubuntu
[21:22] <PCPinjecti0n> Hey guys! is there a safe way to decrypt your home folder, during installation i decided to encrypt it and now i have an account-daemon error every startup...?
[21:30] <nnnmmm> PCPinjecti0n, Is there anything on there worth saving?
[21:31] <PCPinjecti0n> nnnmmm: just a few customization
[21:32] <PCPinjecti0n> nnnmmm: would it make more sense to start from scratch?
[21:32] <nnnmmm> PCPinjecti0n, of the OS? I just wonder if a fresh install since you have the error would be faster and more solid.
[21:32] <zykotick9> PCPinjecti0n: fyi for next time, home folder encryption is "weak" IMO, consider FDE (LUKS) if you want security next time.
[21:33] <PCPinjecti0n> nnnmmm: you make a valid point. So i have a chrombook that i wiped and put an ssd onto it. Which os would run the best you think? atm i'm workin with xubuntu.
[21:34] <PCPinjecti0n> zykotick9: seeing as the previous gave me an error, i will do that next time. Thanks :)
[21:34] <zykotick9> PCPinjecti0n: pretty sure, ubuntu should offer encrypted-LVM as an option at install time
[21:35] <gru_> I am trying (to no avail) to find drivers for an drivers HP U160 usb monitor
[21:35] <nnnmmm> PCPinjecti0n, Never had a chromebook, not sure.
[21:36] <PCPinjecti0n> Thank you guys for all the advice. Time to put it all into practice.
[21:37] <ix1> y
[21:41] <cheater> hi
[21:41] <cheater> is dpkg the only thing that do-release-upgrade does?
[21:45] <Bashing-om> cheater: Well, 'dpkg' is the package management tool, 'do-release-upgrade' is the terminal command to upgrade to the next available release .
[21:45] <cheater> Bashing-om: right. my issue is that do-release-upgrade crashed.
[21:46] <cheater> so i ran apt-get -f install which told me that i needed to run dpkg --configure -a.
[21:46] <cheater> i did that. are there any other steps left?
[21:47] <Bashing-om> cheater: Not good ! ..did you "sudo apt-get update/upgrade"before trying the do-release thing ??
[21:47] <cheater> yeah i did
[21:47] <cheater> but that's not relevant because do-release-upgrade does that anyways
[21:48] <davidsong> Hi guys, does anyone else here have a really bad time with SMB shares and Nautilus?
[21:48] <cheater> currently this is my issue: http://pastebin.com/4pHhDdUT -- not sure how to resolve, any ideas?
[21:48] <Bashing-om> cheater: does "apt-get install -f " return any errors ?
[21:48] <mirto> ciaoo
[21:49] <Bashing-om> cheater: look'n at 4pHhDdUT .
[21:49] <boy_wanders> hello, I am having mouse issues with 14.04 LTS
[21:50] <davidsong> boy_wanders: what type of issues?
[21:50] <cheater> apt-get -f install exits without errors or dong anything.
[21:50] <boy_wanders> When I first boot into Ubuntu my mouse can only click on the top bar and the side taskbar, but not on windows
[21:51] <boy_wanders> to allow me to use the computer I have to log out and back in, then it works fine
[21:51] <dreampwnzor> hi, is WoW OpenGL mode still supported?...
[21:52] <Doxin> so sendmail keeps sending mail from @localhost, even though hostname -f gives my domain name correctly, what gives?
[21:52] <WilsonMathew> ls
[21:52] <davidsong> cheater: "udev : Depends: libudev1"... and the version appears to be old. Can you force-update that one package?
[21:52] <davidsong> cheater: my version here is 204-5ubuntu20.2
[21:52] <cheater> davidsong: what i just did was apt-get update libudev1... waiting for it to finish
[21:52] <cheater> how do you "force update"?
[21:52] <davidsong> ah okay cool
[21:53] <davidsong> that ought to do it, but use -f if that doesnt work I guess
[21:53] <cheater> note that apt-get update libudev1 actually didn't mention libudev1 !
[21:53] <Bashing-om> cheater: " apache2.2-bin : Breaks: gnome-user-share (< 3.8.0-2~) but 3.0.4-0ubuntu1 is installed." suacy version is 3.0.4 .. where did you install from ( apache !) // "udev : Depends: libudev1 (= 204-0ubuntu19.2) but 204-2~raring+1 is installed." what release are you running ????
[21:54] <cheater> Bashing-om: i was doing release upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10.
[21:54] <cheater> technically now i'm running 13.10.
[21:55] <Bashing-om> cheater: Not good ! 13.04 is End-of-life .. did you change your sources to point to "old-releases" ??
[21:55] <cheater> no idea?
[21:55] <cheater> there might be no way to check right now
[21:56] <cheater> ok. apt-get finished.
[21:56] <cheater> running aptitude dist-upgrade still shows me a huge conflict.
[21:57] <cheater> apt-get upgrade shows me: The following packages have been kept back: apache2.2-bin libapache2-mod-dnssd php5-dev ubuntu-drivers-common udev winetricks
[21:57] <jakemp> Is there any way to get ubuntu to not shuffle all of my windows whenever I add a second monitor? It seems totally random, but mostly it moves everything to one desktop
[21:57] <Bashing-om> cheater: Houston, we may have a problem. let's look -> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit <- and we still have to deal with too new versions as well as too old sources (yuk).
[21:59] <cheater> here you go Bashing-om http://paste.ubuntu.com/7655253/
[21:59] <Bashing-om> cheater: look'n
[21:59] <cheater> not sure what you mean by "too old sources", 13.10 is neither EOL nor old..
[21:59] <surely> jakemp, Do you want the second monitor to mirror the first, adding while running can be problematic in this way?
[22:00] <jakemp> no, I don't want it to mirror it
[22:01] <jakemp> I just have 3x3 or 4x4 virtual desktop/workspaces or whatever they are called
[22:01] <jakemp> and adding and removing a monitor reshuffles where I have them
[22:02] <Bashing-om> cheater: sources.list looks good .. so where is 'raring' coming from pastebin -> tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* <-.
[22:02] <surely> jakemp, Can you just hook the monitor and set it up, or do you always have to be adding it, not sure why your adding more than once
[22:02] <cheater> Bashing-om: that's because i just upgraded from raring to saucy, and the old package is the raring version...
[22:02] <cheater> libudev is still the raring version..
[22:03] <jakemp> surely, it's a laptop. I have to remove the monitor when I move the laptop.
[22:03] <jakemp> like when I go to work, or come home
[22:03] <phallix> anyone know about alsamixer channel mapping for speakers?
[22:03] <Bashing-om> cheater: Be that as so, we still need to insure that there are no existing sources fetches for that no longer in existence repository.
[22:04] <cheater> what it says exactly is:
[22:04] <cheater>  udev : Depends: libudev1 (= 204-0ubuntu19.2) but 204-2~raring+1 is to be installed
[22:04] <surely> jakemp, Not sure, but it would seem logical to plugin the monitor when the computer is off set it up and party.
[22:04] <cheater> how can i modify what "is to be installed"?
[22:05] <lolek> ok, I can confirm that the high cpu load with compiz and x.org occurs only when I connect external monitor, no matter when I connect it
[22:05] <jakemp> surely, but that would require me shutting down the computer every time I move it, no?
[22:05] <jakemp> also, I don't always have a second monitor when I am out.
[22:05] <phallix> please, anyone speaker mapping in Ubuntu?
[22:05] <surely> jakemp, Why yes it would, my guess is your contingencies just makes this harder to fix is all.
[22:05] <lolek> so the question is what's wrong with x.org/ubuntu and dual screen?
[22:06] <phallix> i only get sound through subwoofer and only shows one speaker in alsamixer
[22:06] <jakemp> well, it wouldn
[22:06] <jakemp> 't be a problem at all if I just shut everything down.
[22:09] <lolek> ugh x.org 100% :/
[22:09] <lolek> hmm I don't think it's normall that I7 can't handle simple unity :/
[22:09] <cheater> i edited /var/lib/dpkg/status to point to the right version of libudev1. doing apt-get install libudev1 downloaded and installed the question udev is asking for.
[22:10] <cheater> apt-get dist-upgrade -u installs the new udev.
[22:11] <Xasin> Hello! Can somebody tell me how to activate a menu for GRUB instead of having to input the start command (Which is inconveniently long)?
[22:12] <phallix> please let me know if you can help with Ubuntu sound directing to proper speakers
[22:12] <lolek> Xasin: take a look at: /etc/default/grub
[22:12] <Bashing-om> cheater: Making progress .. nowto deal with "gnome-user-share" . What is going on with "apache2.2-bin" ? -> apt-cache policy apache2.2-bin <-.
[22:12] <skinux> Is there possibly an app for searching repository that could be searched using more than one keyword to narrow down search results?
[22:13] <cheater> after fixing apache as well, aptitude dist-upgrade doesn't show naything to update.
[22:13] <cheater> i removed gnome-user-share since i don't use it.
[22:13] <lolek> skinux: apt-cache search keyword1 | grep -i keyword2 ?
[22:13] <Xasin> Right, lolek, I will. I wanted to use GRUB Custimizer, but it throws an error and doesn't let me set up the menu correctly when I want to save.
[22:13] <cheater> ok so i guess i'm now in the green
[22:13] <cheater> thanks for the rubber ducking Bashing-om
[22:14] <Xasin> So, you worked your problem out, Cheater? ^-^
[22:14] <lolek> Xasin: well you can change it manually, but don't forget to run: update-grub after you finish ;)
[22:14] <cheater> yes, it took a long time
[22:14] <cheater> and it was an annoying problem, created by people who made ubuntu.
[22:14] <cheater> :(
[22:14] <skinux> Not exactly what I'm looking for
[22:14] <Bashing-om> cheater: OK, there were 53 updates pending .. what now results -> sudo apt-get update , sudo apt-get upgrade , sudo apt-get dist-upgrade <- then we see about 14.04 release.
[22:15] <skinux> Maybe something that would narrow it down based on only package name, not description
[22:15] <Xasin> Right, I will, thanks lolek. I can use the commands which I can read throu GRUB Editor thou, can't I? I successfully started my PC with the commands. (But that is too complicated. That UID? Too long.)
[22:15] <cheater> Bashing-om: no new packages to install
[22:16] <cheater> Bashing-om: i'm not going to continue upgrading to 14.04 now...
[22:16] <cheater> i'll stay with 13.10
[22:16] <cheater> one thing i need to do now is to figure out if i can reboot
[22:17] <Bashing-om> cheater: If all runs clean now ,, I see no reason not to do the -> sudo do-release-upgrade <-. See what results.
[22:17] <cheater> no way
[22:17] <Bashing-om> cheater: 13.10 is EOL next month.
[22:17] <cheater> that's fine
[22:17] <cheater> i'll do this next month, perhaps.
[22:17] <cheater> it's not like my pc will suddenly stop working..
[22:18] <cheater> right now i need to check if this thing boots up, and if yes, i need to get some sleep!
[22:18] <cheater> waking up really early tomorrow
[22:18] <cheater> thanks for the help Bashing-om  :)
[22:18] <Bashing-om> cheater: OK .. suits me as you are fine as of now .. enjoy .
[22:18] <cheater> really appreciated
[22:19] <Bashing-om> cheater: I did nada, you did all the work .. lol .
[22:19] <cheater> and thanks IdleOne :)
[22:19] <cheater> Bashing-om: you did the support!
[22:19] <brentwal1her> Hi all. Who do I need to talk to/contact about updating a package in the ubuntu-devel repos?
[22:19] <cheater> ok, rebooting now :)
[22:20] <indieguy87> how to pronounce sudo?
[22:20] <Xasin> Riiiight, I am in the etc/default/grub file. What exactly do I change to enable the menu, lolek?
[22:21] <lolek> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false
[22:21] <lolek> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=1
[22:21] <lolek> i think this should work
[22:21] <lolek> but I'm unable to cofirm cause my ubuntu is almost not working
[22:21] <Xasin> Oh, ok.
[22:23] <jjavaholic> looking for IM client that supports yahoo video call protocol
[22:27] <michagogo> indieguy87: I think the creator pronounces it soo-doo
[22:27] <michagogo> As in, Su Do
[22:27] <michagogo> Many others use soo-dough
[22:28] <skinux> Is pdftohtml package now inside poppler utilities?
[22:31] <zykotick9> skinux: try "apt-cache search pdftohtml" to confirm
[22:32] <cheater> hi!
[22:32] <sly33> hi
[22:32] <cheater> sadly, the thing doesn't boot up :(
[22:33] <cheater> so what happens is that when i start it, there's this purple (?) screen with white dots and the ubuntu logo. it hangs on that.
[22:33] <cheater> i cna switch to tty and get on irc that way, but there's no desktop.
[22:33] <cheater> it stops booting before it shows the login screen.
[22:33] <cheater> one issue might be that i have mate desktop installed (version 1.6 iirc)
[22:35] <Bashing-om> cheater: mate, could be .. what results with the grub boot parameter 'text" replacing "quiet splash" to boot to TTY1, then see if you can start the GUI ??
[22:36] <ekido> hi
[22:36] <cheater> Bashing-om: how would i start the gui?
[22:36] <cheater> as in, with what command?
[22:37] <skinux> I did try that, poppler utilities came up, but I'm trying to make sure it's inside that package.
[22:37] <Bashing-om> cheater: try as "sudo service lightdm start" .
[22:38] <cheater> hmm
[22:39] <ian__> I'm trying to install some software, but I want to install the program to another hdd, because I don't have the space on my current one. Is there an easy way to do this?
[22:40] <cheater> Bashing-om: did that. it showed me the login screen, after which it went back to the tty. searching the tty's (pressing alt-f1 through f8) does not show me a graphical display.
[22:40] <cheater> HOWEVER, that login screen was different to the one i'm used to seeing.
[22:40] <cheater> iirc i replaced lightdm with gdm because that's what MATE wanted.
[22:42] <Bashing-om> cheater: Let's make sure you are authorized to start the GUI -> ls -la .Xauthority , ls -la .ICEauthority <- should be "you" as group and owner .
[22:42] <Extensa5630G> cheater: Go on, I'm curious to know the solution with you
[22:42] <Bashing-om> cheater: Nothing syas we can not attempt to start GDM .. -> sudo service gdm start <- .
[22:44] <cheater> doing service gdm start does not help - it dumps me to a black tty with a cursor blinking (tty 7)
[22:45] <cheater> Bashing-om: where should those files be?
[22:45] <Extensa5630G> cheater: home directory?
[22:45] <cheater> Bashing-om: in my home dir, .ICEauthority is owned by me, .Xauthority doesn't exist.
[22:45] <amzolt> Anyone answer a ClamTk question for me?
[22:46] <Bashing-om> cheater: In your /home directory .. maybe have to do the explict path -> ls -la ~/.Xauthority .
[22:47] <cheater> doesn't exist
[22:47] <cheater> which is fine i guess
[22:48] <Bashing-om> cheater: .Xauthority should exist .. and be created when you boot up ... not sure presntly what we will do about .Xauthority !
[22:49] <cheater> Bashing-om: i suggest ignoring it for now.
[22:49] <cheater> the issue is gdm not starting properly.
[22:49] <Bashing-om> cheater: No .Xauthority, no authorization to access the GUI .
[22:50] <Extensa5630G> why can't he just create the file?
[22:50] <Extensa5630G> *doesn't*
[22:51] <cheater> alright, let's try to ma an .Xauthority file
[22:51] <donix> cip
[22:51] <Bashing-om> Extensa5630G: cheater:: it is a thouhgt, though the system should creat that .Xauthority file .. sure will not hurt to try.
[22:51] <donix> trying to convert to Ubuntu from kubuntu.
[22:51] <donix> trying to keep data (video, pics, etc) and a KDE
[22:52] <Extensa5630G> Bashing-om: what is important is what should he write in the fime
[22:52] <Extensa5630G> *file
[22:55] <Bashing-om> cheater: Extensa5630G Got me .. that is "security" and above my head how/what the system writes to the file .. -rw------- 1 sysop sysop 156 Jan 19 08:49 /home/sysop/.Xauthority .. might try a "touch" and see what the system does on a reboot .
[22:56] <cheater> in #mate i was told to have a look at Xorg.0.log
[22:56] <cheater> you can find it here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7655449/
[22:57] <cheater> Bashing-om: shouldn't have anything to do with this since it craps out before i can even get the login screen. so the issue is not related to any one user.
[22:57] <Extensa5630G> Bashing-om: he can google about the file using lynx as well
[22:59] <Bashing-om> cheater:  Extensa5630G :: Let me back out of all I have going on and reboot, as I boot to terminal, and see what is prior to starting the GUI .. be back in a bit.
[23:00] <Extensa5630G> Um'
[23:16] <bananapotion> Hello. When using the intel card (nvidia-prime) transparency doesn't work, on the sidebar for instance
[23:16] <atrioom> ssh-add refuses to add one of my private keyfiles. What could be the reason for that? ssh-add asks for passphrase and then nothing. Key is not added.
[23:16] <bananapotion> What could be the problem?
[23:16] <balleyne> atrioom, how are you verifying that the key is not added?
[23:17] <atrioom> balleyne: ssh-add yields 'The agent has no identities'
[23:17] <Bashing-om> cheater: Well, that was an exercise in futility "-rw------- 1 sysop sysop 156 Jan 19 08:49 .Xauthority" as my file has existed from Jan 19 // Ok a bit of poking (quickly) says "auth" has to create that file.
[23:18] <atrioom> balleyne: Thank you for answering btw!
[23:18] <atrioom> I desperately installed putty on ubuntu (isn't that shameful?) and it works perfectly with said keyfile.
[23:19] <finlstrm> putty = ikky. we have a terminal for that
[23:19] <balleyne> atrioom, hmm, and it's just that one keypair that it's not working for? (btw, you can use your keypair with OpenSSH without using ssh-add -- though ssh-add adds some convenience)
[23:19] <atrioom> Jep. I burrow my head in shame.
[23:20] <balleyne> atrioom, oh, wait... was the keypair generated with PuTTy or OpenSSH?
[23:20] <atrioom> balleyne: When I generate a key on my machine, ssh-add takes it. The private keyfile was not generated on this machine. Could that be the reason?
[23:21] <balleyne> atrioom, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2224066/how-to-convert-ssh-keypairs-generated-using-puttygenwindows-into-key-pairs-use
[23:21] <atrioom> uuuhhhh, that looks promising!
[23:21] <balleyne> atrioom, that might be it. I don't use PuTTy, but IIRC, PuTTy keyfiles are not in the same format that OpenSSH uses, can't just share them back and forth, need to convert
[23:22] <atrioom> balleyne: Well thanks a bunch! I'll try converting and see how it goes!
[23:22] <compnski> hey, I'm on Trusty Tahr -- can I go back from procps-ng back to procps? [I'm having trouble with keybindings in top]
[23:22] <balleyne> atrioom, np!
[23:25] <cheater> Bashing-om: apparently i just need to uninstall gdm and use lightdm.
[23:25] <cheater> but ill do that tomorrow.
[23:26] <cheater> i can get a desktop apparently if i start lightdm by hand.
[23:26] <cheater> thanks for the help and support. highly appreciated.
[23:26] <atrioom> balleyne: so successful. I am so incredibly glad I can go to bed now actually understanding what was going on :D
[23:26] <wheatthin> cheater, if it starts by hand, you can make it autoload rc-update lightdm defaults
[23:27] <wheatthin> or enable*
[23:27] <cheater> tomorrow... its really late
[23:27] <cheater> thanks though
[23:27] <wheatthin> yup
[23:27] <cheater> bye!
[23:27] <wheatthin> just sat down.. sorry it's late
[23:27] <wheatthin> laterz
[23:27] <Bashing-om> cheater: We can try that and see, I have chores to do, so will be afkb for a spell .. I will be back -- ya might need to sleep on this.
[23:28] <wheatthin> lol too late Bashing-om
[23:28] <Bashing-om> too late cheater .
[23:33] <mbuvarp> URL http://www.reddit.com
[23:36] <bananapotion> Hello. When using the intel card (nvidia-prime) transparency doesn't work, on the sidebar for instance
[23:42] <Joel> in rhel you can remove a package from the db but leave ALL files in place, can I do that on ubuntu?
[23:42] <sly33> ?
[23:43] <sly33> you mean uninstall a software and leaving conf files for example ?
[23:45] <Joel> no.
[23:45] <jrib> Joel: you could but that's not recommended and why would you want to?  I don't know how offhand
[23:46] <Joel> jrib, thanks, I'll google more.
[23:46] <jrib> Joel: I'd urge you to try to explain the situation you are in that makes you want to do this as there may be a better solution you haven't come across
[23:47] <Joel> You're not in a spot to suggest a better solution if you've never had to do it imho.
[23:47] <jrib> Joel: you haven't explained the issue.
[23:48] <L0uk3> I just watched the ubuntu phone and tablet videos --sweet. They talked about native apps but did not show them. I assume you can launch a terminal and run shell code etc...?
[23:48] <Joel> jrib, you didn't read the last thing I typed.
[23:48] <jrib> Joel: if you want help, my advice is that you explain your actual issue.  I'll leave you with that.  Best of luck.
[23:49] <Joel> jrib, you didn't read the last thing I typed.
[23:49] <jrib> Joel: I believe I've read everything you've typed since joining this channel.  If you stated your actual issue, then I may have missed it.  Can you repeat it?
[23:50] <kg-irc> Does anyone know a good ufw log parser?
[23:50] <Joel> jrib, you didn't read the last thing I typed.
[23:50] <jrib> Joel: I'll take that as a "no"
[23:51] <Joel> jrib, you didn't read the last thing I typed.
[23:51] <genii> Joel: Not sure why you'd want to do this. But the way to mark a package as not installed but still have it installed is to edit the stanza for it in the file /var/lib/dpkg/status and change the line reading "Status: install ok installed"   to "Status: deinstall ok config-files"
[23:52] <Joel> genii, thanks!
[23:55] <fizyplankton> is there a good ubuntu raid software that can convert a single existing drive into a raid 1 (mirror) array without too many side effects? i usually do raid through cmos, but my cmos doesnt do it
[23:56] <jrib> !raid | fizyplankton
[23:56] <intok> What do I need if I want to get the Radeon VCE hardware transcoder working in 10.04?
[23:57] <intok> 14.04*
[23:58] <genii> Joel: Please note: If this package is a dependency of other packages which are already installed, when you update/upgrade next time you will get the "you have held onto broken packages" messages and update/upgrade will fail
[23:58] <Joel> genii yeah, won't affect me for my use case.