[05:40] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:00] <Myrtti> foobarry: for what it's worth, an ex-Ubuntuite did have (don't know if she still does) a Sonata
[09:29] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:31] <popey> yo
[09:31]  * popey is enjoying a clean install
[09:32] <bigcalm> Gave up trying to add full disk encryption to a 2nd drive?
[09:32] <MooDoo> bigcalm: he sorted it
[09:32] <bigcalm> Oh
[09:32] <bigcalm> By doing a clean install? ;)
[09:32] <MooDoo> I found a url that explained how to do it
[09:34] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:38] <popey> brobostigon: no, i did it
[09:39] <brobostigon> huh?
[09:39] <popey> er bigcalm
[09:39] <popey> nvm
[09:40] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~⟫ df -h | grep map
[09:40] <popey> /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root  205G  5.3G  189G   3% /
[09:40] <popey> /dev/mapper/data_crypt       235G   87G  136G  40% /home
[09:40] <popey> \o/
[09:40] <bigcalm> Well done
[09:41] <popey> very happy
[09:41] <popey> re-installing everything bit by bit
[09:44] <brobostigon> are the stats still working fine?, i havent managed to check on them recently.
[09:46] <bigcalm> popey: this will have dire consequences for your uptime ;)
[09:47] <Myrtti> I'm still pondering would it be safe to nuke the current install on this laptop and install 14.04 on my own
[09:47] <Myrtti> apparently the new kernel might support the touchpad without much problems
[09:48] <popey> brobostigon: can you not just click the link?
[09:48] <popey> bigcalm: actually I'm hoping it will improve it, as I wont have to reboot all the time
[09:48] <popey> hoping this reinstall magically cures things
[09:48] <brobostigon> popey: i will, i was just curious also if anybody has used it, within my question.
[09:48] <bigcalm> Looking at uprecords, seem that I have my machine on for about 15.5 hours each day
[09:48] <popey>    %up              100.000 | since                     Tue Jun 17 10:03:18 2014
[09:48] <bigcalm> popey: ah, magic
[09:48] <popey> \o/
[09:49] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:51] <bigcalm> Ex-cow-orker has sent me his HP Proliant microserver that is slightly (few years) more recent than my own. Wonder if I can pop the disks out of mine and put them into the new one and have things just work
[09:51] <popey> lucky you!
[09:51] <popey> I'm still rocking the old N36L
[09:51] <directhex> I HAVE A BIG FLUFFY CAT ON MY DESK
[09:52] <popey> could do with an update
[09:52] <Myrtti> put a bow on it.
[09:52] <bigcalm> Update the cat with a bow tie?
[09:52] <Myrtti> yup
[09:53] <bigcalm> :)
[09:53] <bigcalm> popey: I'm thinking of replacing my parents' revo with my now spare proliant
[09:53] <Myrtti> http://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/guinea-pig-booboo-lieveheersbeestje-23.jpg
[09:56] <awilkins> Bah, was hoping that was a great recipe for South African style guinea-pig biltong
[10:11] <bashrc> directhex: is that a codephrase?
[10:13] <directhex> YES. IT MEANS I HAVE A BIG FLUFFY CAT ON MY DESK
[10:13] <directhex> UNBREAKABLE CODE
[10:14] <popey> hmm, can't install google talk plugin here
[10:14] <popey> this is annoying
[10:14] <popey> the deb installs but chrome doesn't see it
[10:14] <popey> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 Jun  7 23:48 /opt/google/chrome/pepper/libppgoogletalk.so -> ../../talkplugin/libppgoogletalk.so
[10:14] <popey> exists though
[10:15] <bigcalm> Chrome or chromium?
[10:15] <bigcalm> Works for me with chromium
[10:16] <popey> i _always_ type chrome when I mean chrome, and chromium when I mean chromium ☻
[10:17] <popey> i dont have chromium installed.
[10:18] <bigcalm> Just checking
[10:22] <davmor2> popey: Ohhhhh new shinies  have a look at contacts, dialer and messaging
[10:26] <popey> ooh!
[10:26] <awilkins> Contacts dialler and messaging for Ubuntu Phone?
[10:27] <popey> yes
[10:29] <popey> ffs, broken in chrome and chrome-beta
[10:30] <bashrc> does it have OTR?
[10:30] <popey> eh?
[10:30] <awilkins> Off The Record
[10:30] <awilkins> ?
[10:31] <popey> no, "it"
[10:31] <bashrc> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-Record_Messaging
[10:31] <Myrtti> which it?
[10:32] <bashrc> messaging for ubuntu phone
[10:32] <popey> its SMS, not messengering app
[10:32] <bashrc> ah
[10:39] <popey> \o/ working in chrome-unstable
[10:39] <popey> well thats 30 mins of my life I'll never get back. jeez
[10:51] <dwatkins> I think it's time I took the plunge and got an SSD for my main machine at home
[10:53] <bigcalm> SSD all the things
[10:53] <dwatkins> indeed, bigcalm
[10:54] <popey> \o/ SSD
[10:54] <popey> i was tempted to RAID0 the two SSDs in my laptop, but figured that might be overkill ☻
[10:54] <dwatkins> Crucial drives seem to be on offer on Amazon, is there any reason I should avoid them?
[10:54] <funkyHat> Super Silly Disk
[10:55] <popey> they have had a bad reputation in the past
[10:55] <funkyHat> Seriously Spurious Data
[10:55] <dwatkins> A colleague of mine put SSDs in a RAID array when they first came out, the drives lasted 9 months of constant reading and writing.
[10:55] <popey> Super Speedy Data-transfer
[10:55] <dwatkins> Crucial get good reviews.
[10:55] <directhex> the M4 series of crucial drives had a bad firmware
[10:56] <dwatkins> M500 is what I'm looking at (960 GB)
[10:56] <popey> i have an M4 in my laptop ⍨
[10:56] <dwatkins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-CT960M500SSD1-960GB-Internal-Solid/dp/B00BQ8RGL6/
[10:56] <popey> Device Model:     OCZ-VERTEX3
[10:56] <popey> Device Model:     M4-CT256M4SSD3
[10:56] <Laney> hrm
[10:57] <Laney> looks like bigger SSDs are becoming affordable
[10:57] <dwatkins> indeed, Laney
[10:57] <funkyHat> Somewhat Sarcastic Description
[10:57] <popey> heh, never noticed "Rotation Rate:    Solid State Device"
[10:57] <Laney> that's nice
[10:57] <Laney> I had yet another ENOSPC yesterday
[10:58] <directhex> M4 is fixed by recent firmware
[10:58] <directhex> OCZ never really fixed the firmware on drives before vertex 4
[10:58] <popey> nice, smartmontools tells me where to get it!
[10:58] <Laney> "pop down to your local argos"
[10:58] <dwatkins> well, we shall see how it performs, SSD ordered
[10:59] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7657848/
[10:59] <popey> cock, needs windows
[11:00] <popey> no updates for me then
[11:00] <MooDoo> 5184 hours lol
[11:01] <mgdm> Rotation rate: ∞
[11:01] <popey> ooh, can be done on a usb stick
[11:01] <MooDoo> so as long as you reboot ever 215 days, you'll be ok :)
[11:01] <dwatkins> not even a DOS installer... oh cool
[11:04] <funkyHat> I should get a Solid Stake Disk for my PC really
[11:05] <funkyHat> Still wouldn't be as fast as the laptop though ⢁(
[11:05] <popey> fancy that, their firmware thing uses isolinux
[11:07] <popey> thanks for the tip directhex, will do that later when i next reboot
[11:08] <directhex> the m4 bug is once it hits 5200 hours of uptime (iirc), the drive restarts instead of incrementing to 5201, every time
[11:08] <directhex> sorry, google says it's 5184 hours
[11:38] <bigcalm> popey: do you remember what that one liner was to generate an epenis measurement?
[11:42] <popey> I have no idea what you're talking about ☻
[11:42] <bigcalm> :|
[11:45] <bigcalm> Bother. Can't google the irc logs well enough
[11:46] <bigcalm> Just wanted to measure the performance between current proliant and the one I'm about to replace it with
[11:46] <bigcalm> bogomips	: 6784.93
[11:46] <bigcalm> That'll have to do
[11:47] <Myrtti> aw
[11:47] <Myrtti> just when I found the script he meant
[11:48] <Laney> link?
[11:49] <Myrtti> http://ham.zmailer.org/oh2mqk/vpenis.pl I think
[11:51] <Laney> 36.1cm :(
[11:51] <Laney> grrrrifferzzzzzzz
[12:00] <foobarry> got a quote for my extension = £28.5k :(
[12:00] <foobarry> how realistic is the first quote from a builder?
[12:02] <diplo> foobarry, I'd say you need at least 2, maybe 3 quotes to get a general idea
[12:02] <diplo> I know a couple of builders, they rarely rebid if someone comes in cheaper as business is tight they go in at their best first time
[12:03] <diplo> To try and win the job
[12:03] <diplo> If you get a ovepriced quote ( this is what my builder does ) is because they don't want the work and make it more expensive, if someone still wants it done theyre quids in, if not they didn't want it in the first place :)
[12:10] <awilkins> They can probably subcontract it to someone else too if they overprice it and genuinely can't do the work because of load.
[12:11] <awilkins> I'm sure they all know each others rates and scratch each others backs
[12:11] <diplo> czajkowski, Just saw your tweet, don't you have issues with seeing the screen
[12:11] <diplo> I keep debating moving outside
[12:11] <awilkins> Just had a lovely repeatable Xorg crash from using rdesktop
[12:11] <diplo> Not so sure, my neighbour reckons it's free for all
[12:12] <diplo> Fell out with some of his friends over pricing
[12:12] <awilkins> But I'm stuck behind a firewall and don't think apport uploaded it
[12:12] <awilkins> Have changed to Remmina for the time being since I need to do the thing that provoked the crash again
[12:13] <awilkins> But I dislike Remmina since it's not as flexible as rdesktop for my needs (even if rdesktop is now obsolescent because it doesn't do NLA)
[12:13] <czajkowski> diplo: nope cna see it just fine
[12:14] <diplo> Hmm, may drag my lappy out later and give it a go
[12:14] <czajkowski> current work set up :) https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/478871378935177216/photo/1
[12:14] <czajkowski> nice to get fresh air and some sunshine
[12:17] <popey> 633.1cm
[12:34] <bigcalm> bogomips	: 4392.76
[12:34] <bigcalm> Haha
[12:34] <bigcalm> It's gone down
[12:34] <bigcalm> More RAM though
[12:34] <bigcalm> Might be an on-demand thing
[12:34]  * bigcalm goes to lunch
[12:35] <bigcalm> System survived moving the 4 HDDs from one machine to the other
[12:35] <awilkins> bogomips are vulnerable to CPU scaling, no?
[12:35] <bigcalm> Except that eth0 moved to eth1
[12:35] <bigcalm> That confused me for a while
[12:35] <bigcalm> awilkins: indeed
[12:36] <dwatkins> I remember having to find out how to tie an ethX number to a specific MAC address many years ago.
[12:36] <Myrtti> bigcalm: right when you left I was about to paste this to you: http://ham.zmailer.org/oh2mqk/vpenis.pl
[12:48]  * awilkins has a mere 316.1cm
[12:52] <dwatkins> Four foot eight and a quarter.
[13:09] <bigcalm> Myrtti: that's the one, thanks :)
[13:10] <bigcalm> Bit more than a one liner then :)
[13:14] <TwistedLucidity> Unfortunate link.
[13:21] <foobarry> directhex: still use your touhcpad?
[13:22] <directhex> foobarry, sold it a while ago
[13:23] <foobarry> :P
[13:23] <foobarry> trying to use the tptoolbox that removes webos
[13:28] <daftykins> foobarry: ##cyanogenmod-touchpad
[13:28] <daftykins> i own one too
[13:29] <daftykins> oops, single #
[13:29] <foobarry> thanks, i was in the wrong chan
[13:29] <daftykins> it's pretty idle but the main guys are around at times
[15:14] <NET||abuse> boy oh boy, i'm somewhat upset that sublime text is just not moving anywhere. i said i would give it till june, welll, it's here now
[15:14] <NET||abuse> I see more adn more plugins putting "holding development until sublime's abondonware status is resolved" notices on their github pages
[15:15] <dwatkins> there's always Brackets
[15:15] <NET||abuse> I think i'll still use sublime, until i find something better, but i would also like to identify an alternative
[15:15] <NET||abuse> Brackets... hmmm
[15:15] <dwatkins> http://brackets.io/
[15:16] <directhex> edlin
[15:17] <mgdm> ed
[15:18] <directhex> edd the duck
[15:18] <mgdm> ed is the standard editor. what more reason do you need? http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html
[15:18] <mgdm> though linking to anything in 'fun' on gnu.org makes me wonder slightly :-)
[15:27] <bigcalm> That's depressing
[15:32] <foobarry> anyone ever used claycrete?
[15:32] <foobarry> instant papier mache
[15:32] <foobarry> a bit like smash mash
[15:34] <bigcalm> o.O
[15:51] <NET||abuse> hmm, Atom and Brackets seems to be the two choices out there.
[15:52] <popey> sublime is abandoned?
[15:55] <NET||abuse> popey: well,, we dont know for sure,
[15:55] <NET||abuse> last beta release for ST3 is Dec 2013, last ST2 is over a year now.
[15:55] <NET||abuse> last communication from jon is Dec 2013, last communication from his sales guy is march
[15:56] <NET||abuse> they said it isn't over,, but they've not done anything in so long, most plugin dev's are walking away until some kind of update is forthcoming
[15:58] <NET||abuse> there is also limetext,
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> I have vim with "vim-airline" these days
[15:59] <NET||abuse> a straight golang clone of sublime, but not feature complete by the sounds of it.
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> https://github.com/bling/vim-airline
[16:17] <bigcalm> Security Deposit Charging Incorrectly
[16:17] <bigcalm> Humm, bad middle mouse button, bad
[16:17] <bigcalm> Actually, I think there's something wrong with pasting into Chromium
[16:18] <bigcalm> A tab will freeze up if I try to paste into an input box. But this appears to happen inconsistently
[16:32] <NET||abuse> that is mental, i've never managed to get a grip on the vim plugin managers
[16:32] <NET||abuse> ^^ refering to vim-airline
[16:42] <bigcalm> A thing of beauty http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/IMG_1481-Version-2-980x517.jpg
[16:49] <DJones> Nice storagae box for your spare parts :)
[18:39] <diddledan> morning
[18:39] <diddledan> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vocore-a-coin-sized-linux-computer-with-wifi
[18:39] <daftykins> ali1234: remember that red Sony laptop motherboard with the blown MOSFET I showed you?
[18:39] <ali1234> sure
[18:39] <daftykins> diddledan hey, you may remember it too
[18:40] <diddledan> yup
[18:40] <daftykins> so i got the board back today, £35 charge to do the solder job
[18:40] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gewunyzpgintm95/IMG-20140617-WA0001.jpg
[18:40] <daftykins> :D
[18:40] <daftykins> she lives \o/
[18:40] <diddledan> ooh, windows. awesome!
[18:40] <diddledan> :-p
[18:40] <daftykins> i even managed to glue the built-in speaker connections as i had accidentally broken them on doing the disassemble
[18:41] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/awbs5f5re7b5nbf/IMG_20140617_180723.jpg
[18:41] <daftykins> they are so tiny >_<
[18:41] <ali1234> so did they do a good job for £35?
[18:41] <diddledan> nice
[18:41] <daftykins> yeah, the new MOSFET was perfectly laid out
[18:42] <daftykins> i had a quick glance before i paid for it
[18:43] <daftykins> it seems the mouse buttons aren't working on the palmrest right now, but other than that the whole machine is back solid... i even stress tested it
[18:43] <daftykins> in fact, i first booted ubuntu 14.04 but i couldn't find the package cpuburn anymore... perhaps the live session just doesn't have universe enabled
[18:43] <ali1234> for £35 not including any shipping or parts you should absolutely expect it to look like new
[18:43] <daftykins> yeah it was a pretty steep quote really
[18:44] <daftykins> but i didn't have many options
[18:44] <ali1234> £35 is reasonable if they do a proper rework job
[18:44] <ali1234> but they'd better actually do that for that price :)
[18:45] <daftykins> they had it easy, as i took the board in already disassembled
[18:45] <daftykins> in fact i have a shot of what i took in
[18:45] <ali1234> yeah seen it
[18:45] <daftykins> oh this one? https://www.dropbox.com/s/s1cvcal0tjkfpor/IMG_20140609_154414.jpg
[18:45] <daftykins> i made it quite obvious which bit was busted ;)
[18:46] <ali1234> this guy does repair videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZlc6tiL1gk
[18:47] <ali1234> given the size of the part i'd expect them to do as good a job as that for the price
[18:48] <diddledan> ali1234: that shipping package is evil
[18:51] <daftykins> haha
[18:51] <shauno> hah, that's pretty bad
[18:51] <shauno> and pretty much the opposite of what I'm getting used to - they seem to send me everything in esd bags, whether it needs it or not
[18:51] <jussi> sigh....
[18:52] <jussi> it didnt work, and its all my fault :(
[18:53] <jussi> serves me right for attempting to repair hardware...
[18:54] <daftykins> jussi: what've you been dealing with?
[18:55] <daftykins> this video is interesting, i had no idea this kinda gear is used
[18:55] <jussi> daftykins: I tried to replace the glass on my note 2. accidentally cut the ribbon cable
[18:55] <diddledan> daftykins: that gear is totally OTT for that kind of chip
[18:55] <diddledan> daftykins: really that kind of gear is for BGAs
[18:56] <ali1234> daftykins: his amiga repair videos are good too
[18:57] <diddledan> it does make removing a chip nice and easy tho
[19:00] <daftykins> diddledan: ah reflowing gear
[19:00] <daftykins> ?
[19:00] <daftykins> i don't even have a clue what flux is
[19:00] <daftykins> nor why he applied it prior to removing the old chip
[19:00] <jussi> daftykins: so the phone works, everything is perfect, except the bottom 3rd of the screen is non responsive :(
[19:01] <diddledan> applying flux before soldering the chip onto the board will cause the solder to not bridge as easily with nearby solder - i.e. it'll only apply to each pin and it's pad
[19:02] <ali1234> yeah cos he's going to drag solder it. without flux it would just solder every pin together into a huge blog
[19:03] <daftykins> jussi: :( is it expensive to get another?
[19:03] <jussi> daftykins: means I nees to replace whole screen... about 140€
[19:07] <diddledan> wow, he repairing a TV?!
[19:07] <diddledan> I missed the viera mentino in the title
[19:11] <daftykins> that vid was neat :) glad he showed the result
[19:12] <daftykins> jussi: :(
[19:16] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cxep07nl4dsn6e9/battery.png
[19:17] <daftykins> love my laptop :)
[19:17] <diddledan> wow
[19:29] <popey> "Cool stuff but Unity doesn't look professional or attractive to businesses in my opinion.
[19:29] <popey> They could sell it better and shorten the training a bit if they focused on something like XFCE or any other desktop environment that is productivity oriented."
[19:29] <popey> lol.
[19:33] <daftykins> hehe
[19:33] <ali1234> yeah, very true
[19:57] <d3ngar> Hi, I'm experiencing problems with my Amazon EC2 instance. After updating it's no longer booting up.
[19:57] <d3ngar> The server log points to this: xc_dom_probe_bzimage_kernel: kernel is not a bzImage
[19:57] <d3ngar> Googling this brought up some results, but I do not understand them
[20:04] <diddledan> d3ngar: that's more an amazon question than an ubuntu one - but I believe you can specify the kernel to use in the admin console
[20:21] <diddledan> WHEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeee
[20:22] <diddledan> don't you love when canonical employees do webcasts about ubuntu tech, but they're running OS X?
[20:22] <diddledan> I'm watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJPdH8xmOWg
[20:55] <diddledan> in, out, in, out, shake those users all about
[20:57] <popey> diddledan: meh, works both ways. I met a guy from Red Hat who ran Ubuntu on his laptop ☻
[20:58] <diddledan> popey: lol
[20:58] <diddledan> popey: luckily I was only trollin' :-p
[20:58] <popey> ☻
[20:58] <popey> i know a few canonical people run osx
[20:59] <popey> mainly because they like nice hardware and osx works really nicely on apple kit
[20:59] <popey> most run ubuntu in vmware or parallels
[20:59] <diddledan> popey: obviously canonical is a company with varied users and varied projects besides the os so it makes sense that there's a variety of systems in use
[20:59] <popey> well, also, a major factor is people buy their own kit
[20:59] <diddledan> aah
[20:59] <popey> the company doesn't provide machines, so people buy whatever they want and support themselves
[21:00] <diddledan> that makes sense
[21:00] <diddledan> I like the concept of BYOD
[21:00] <popey> yeah
[21:01] <popey> although you look around at a canonical sprint and you see many of the same machines
[21:01] <diddledan> I've seen reports that most linuxy events have a large percentage of apple gear represented
[21:02] <diddledan> it's well built equipment
[21:02] <diddledan> persoanally I run an apple laptop, too
[21:07] <diddledan> http://www.imdb.com/rg/s/3/title/tt1109624/?ref_=ext_shr_fb_vi#lb-vi3550981145 <-- paddington
[21:36] <psichas> sveiki
[21:38] <daftykins> ?
[21:39] <psichas> srry
[21:53] <diddledan> http://grahamcluley.com/2014/06/truecrypt-hidden-message/