| Roguehorse | Good Morning | 13:11 |
|---|---|---|
| nhaines | Good morning! | 13:17 |
| akk | Morning! | 13:20 |
| nhaines | It's still bright and early today. :) | 13:32 |
| akk | Indeed it is. | 13:34 |
| Roguehorse | oh yes | 13:49 |
| Roguehorse | looks like I just installed the KDE update | 13:50 |
| nhaines | How is it working? | 13:50 |
| Roguehorse | haven't rebooted yet | 13:50 |
| nhaines | Exciting. :) | 13:51 |
| Roguehorse | eh, kinda | 13:51 |
| Roguehorse | just hope nothing breaks - I hate chasing that kinda stuff down | 13:51 |
| nhaines | Well, that's what I meant by exciting, heh. | 13:52 |
| Roguehorse | so far with Kubuntu I have had good luck : ) | 13:52 |
| Roguehorse | when I was on openSUSE - not so much | 13:52 |
| nhaines | We try! :) | 13:53 |
| Roguehorse | well, it's obvious why it's the most popular distro : ) (including derivitives) | 13:54 |
| nhaines | I got off of SuSE in 2003, 2004 because it kept breaking, too. I was really glad when Ubuntu showed up. | 13:54 |
| nhaines | Hard to think I've been using it for 9 years now. :) | 13:55 |
| Roguehorse | I did Ubuntu for a couple years - openSUSE for a couple - then back again | 13:56 |
| Roguehorse | I thought the first Unity was hard to adjust to from Gnome 2 | 13:57 |
| nhaines | Unity was a bit of an adjustment. Alt-~ was the winning move as far as I was concerned, although I liked it enough to fight with it for that first 6 month. | 13:58 |
| Roguehorse | I liked it and kept it for a while then wanted to experiment with other things | 13:59 |
| Roguehorse | This is Linux after all - an open book for experimentation | 13:59 |
| Roguehorse | of course then I learned about VM's and everything changed again : ) | 14:01 |
| nhaines | Yup! And with Ubuntu being as solid as it is, that's almost free license to experiment. You can always go back to the standard install. :) | 14:01 |
| nhaines | Hehe, yeah, VMs work too. | 14:01 |
| Roguehorse | oh nicely - I have KVM running and VirtualBox | 14:02 |
| Roguehorse | although I've found my graphics drivers lacking for KVM : ( | 14:02 |
| Roguehorse | trying to play a web browser game on Chrome through KVM is like watching a DVD with a scratch in it | 14:04 |
| nhaines | That's a poor use of KVM. :) | 14:04 |
| nhaines | Although there's always VGA passthrough mode... I think. :) | 14:04 |
| Roguehorse | I wanted to see what it could do | 14:04 |
| nhaines | Ooh, actually... maybe that's the solution to my X-Wing Alliance problems. | 14:05 |
| Roguehorse | I haven't had time to play with it a whole lot | 14:05 |
| Roguehorse | what? VM? | 14:06 |
| nhaines | KVM and QEMU with VGA passthrough. | 14:06 |
| nhaines | VirtualBox doesn't cut it because it uses DirectX 5. | 14:07 |
| Roguehorse | try it - I'll look inti it and see if things get better | 14:07 |
| Roguehorse | I like KVM better than VBox but the performance was lacking so I refrained | 14:08 |
| nhaines | They're two different tools for different scenarios, really. :) | 14:09 |
| Roguehorse | lets explore that - Define? | 14:17 |
| Roguehorse | I know there is argument of whether KVM is really type 1 or 2 and VBox is type 2 - VBox works through the host while KVM goes directly to the kernel - correct? | 14:19 |
| nhaines | Not really. It's sort of a gray area. | 14:21 |
| Roguehorse | which part? | 14:21 |
| nhaines | KVM is extremely lightweight and can be run without any other software. | 14:21 |
| nhaines | But VirtualBox is intended to be run in a standard guest environment. It *can* be run on a server, but I'm not sure why anyone would want to, with KVM around. :) | 14:22 |
| nhaines | KVM's more of a server tool and VirtualBox has always been more of a workstation tool. | 14:22 |
| akk | KVM doens't work on a lot of machines -- it requires CPU extensions that not all processors have. | 14:23 |
| akk | Virtualbox works on everything. | 14:23 |
| nhaines | akk: can't KVM use QEMU on machines without VT, though? | 14:23 |
| Roguehorse | but don't most of the *newer* processors have support? | 14:23 |
| akk | It couldn't a few years ago. Perhaps things have changed. | 14:23 |
| akk | Roguehorse: I'm not sure, but I know people said exactly that a couple of years ago and lots of processors still didn't have support then. | 14:24 |
| akk | Even fairly hefty fast processors sometimes didn't include those extentions. | 14:24 |
| Roguehorse | I understand - I've read some of the articles | 14:24 |
| akk | extensions | 14:24 |
| akk | And it wasn't easy (at least with intel) to figure out which processors/machines would or wouldn't have support. | 14:25 |
| DonkeyHotei | they still make processors without the extensions | 14:25 |
| Roguehorse | I think things have changed and VT is now pretty much standard aside from maybe some rare instances | 14:25 |
| akk | We bought one thinking surely this fast new processor will do it, and nope, it didn't. | 14:25 |
| Roguehorse | with VM being able to cut down on carbon footprint, consumers are expecting it | 14:26 |
| akk | Maybe for servers. I'm not convinced most computer buyers have ever heard of virtualization. | 14:26 |
| nhaines | akk: my favorite part was when the processor supported it but the OEM removed support from the BIOS. | 14:27 |
| akk | Or heard of power saving, come to that. :) | 14:27 |
| Roguehorse | akk: ??? you think? | 14:27 |
| nhaines | I agree with akk. :) | 14:27 |
| Roguehorse | come on now - everyone is green! : ) | 14:27 |
| akk | Roguehorse: Think of your average mac or windows user. Why on earth would they know about virtualization flags? | 14:27 |
| akk | They can't even upload photos from their camera to their computer. | 14:27 |
| DonkeyHotei | Roguehorse: no, some people are purple | 14:27 |
| Roguehorse | LOL! (good one) | 14:28 |
| akk | Green is hard to do too. Have you ever tried to research power use of computers before buying one? | 14:28 |
| akk | You can't get the numbers at all, in most cases. | 14:28 |
| akk | It's certainly not something a casual buyer would even try to do. | 14:28 |
| Roguehorse | I believe it was nhaines who showed me a website that calculates it for you, but you'd have to know about it | 14:29 |
| Roguehorse | or care : ) | 14:29 |
| akk | And if you're building a machine -- go to Fry's and look at power supplies. You'll see a lot of 500W models. Show me the efficient 80W models. | 14:29 |
| nhaines | I'm not so sure that was me. :) | 14:29 |
| Roguehorse | I concur, most people don't think about their consumption | 14:29 |
| Roguehorse | I know it was from this forum (someone) looking to build a desktop | 14:30 |
| Roguehorse | I don't remember for sure, but the site was nice. Made all the calculations for you. | 14:31 |
| nhaines | It does sound nice. :) | 14:33 |
| Roguehorse | http://pcpartpicker.com/ | 14:35 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Pick Parts, Build Your PC, Compare and Share - PCPartPicker] | 14:35 |
| Roguehorse | I knew I saved that link : ) | 14:35 |
| Roguehorse | for sating morbid curiosity, the design in question http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6RQprH | 14:47 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Intel Core i5-4460, Cooler Master N200 - System Build - PCPartPicker] | 14:47 |
| Roguehorse | notice the lack of sound or graphics? The discussion entailed the intended use which was for VM implementations | 14:48 |
| Roguehorse | (as I recall) | 14:48 |
| akk | Looks useful! | 14:52 |
| Roguehorse | I does - doesn't it? | 15:09 |
| Roguehorse | I know when I threw the box I'm on now I researched everything separately | 15:10 |
| Roguehorse | The GPU stated a min of 500w PS for this NVidia9800GT so I grabbed a Black Widow 550w | 15:18 |
| akk | yikes | 15:22 |
| Roguehorse | Yeah, I don't know all the specifics related to that but I didn't want to chance it so I follow the instructions | 15:24 |
| akk | Definitely more red than green. :) | 15:25 |
| Roguehorse | that was the only thing that was specific related to power consumption - and it's not even that great of a board really | 15:25 |
| nhaines | It got really bright outside an hour ago, and I said to myself, "what the fsck is outside the window?" Then I pulled back the shade and looked directly into the sun. | 15:26 |
| Roguehorse | well, the GPU was more of a "budget" thing, I had so much money ya know? | 15:26 |
| Roguehorse | BRIGHT LIGHT - BRIGHT LIGHT!! | 15:27 |
| Roguehorse | ... and no eating after midnight and absolutely no water!! | 15:27 |
| Roguehorse | http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm | 15:56 |
| darthrobot | Title: [PSU REQUIREMENTS - RealHardTechX] | 15:56 |
| Roguehorse | worth reading: http://www.sigops.org/sosp/sosp09/papers/hotpower_6_ma.pdf | 16:04 |
| darthrobot | Content type: [application/pdf] Size: [492782] | 16:04 |
| Roguehorse | http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/gpu-consumption2006.html | 16:43 |
| darthrobot | Title: [The Grand Clash for Watts: Power Consumption of Modern Graphics Cards - X-bit labs] | 16:43 |
| Roguehorse | hopefully the KDE updates will be all fine and good - should be | 17:01 |
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