[13:11] Good Morning [13:17] Good morning! [13:20] Morning! [13:32] It's still bright and early today. :) [13:34] Indeed it is. [13:49] oh yes [13:50] looks like I just installed the KDE update [13:50] How is it working? [13:50] haven't rebooted yet [13:51] Exciting. :) [13:51] eh, kinda [13:51] just hope nothing breaks - I hate chasing that kinda stuff down [13:52] Well, that's what I meant by exciting, heh. [13:52] so far with Kubuntu I have had good luck : ) [13:52] when I was on openSUSE - not so much [13:53] We try! :) [13:54] well, it's obvious why it's the most popular distro : ) (including derivitives) [13:54] I got off of SuSE in 2003, 2004 because it kept breaking, too. I was really glad when Ubuntu showed up. [13:55] Hard to think I've been using it for 9 years now. :) [13:56] I did Ubuntu for a couple years - openSUSE for a couple - then back again [13:57] I thought the first Unity was hard to adjust to from Gnome 2 [13:58] Unity was a bit of an adjustment. Alt-~ was the winning move as far as I was concerned, although I liked it enough to fight with it for that first 6 month. [13:59] I liked it and kept it for a while then wanted to experiment with other things [13:59] This is Linux after all - an open book for experimentation [14:01] of course then I learned about VM's and everything changed again : ) [14:01] Yup! And with Ubuntu being as solid as it is, that's almost free license to experiment. You can always go back to the standard install. :) [14:01] Hehe, yeah, VMs work too. [14:02] oh nicely - I have KVM running and VirtualBox [14:02] although I've found my graphics drivers lacking for KVM : ( [14:04] trying to play a web browser game on Chrome through KVM is like watching a DVD with a scratch in it [14:04] That's a poor use of KVM. :) [14:04] Although there's always VGA passthrough mode... I think. :) [14:04] I wanted to see what it could do [14:05] Ooh, actually... maybe that's the solution to my X-Wing Alliance problems. [14:05] I haven't had time to play with it a whole lot [14:06] what? VM? [14:06] KVM and QEMU with VGA passthrough. [14:07] VirtualBox doesn't cut it because it uses DirectX 5. [14:07] try it - I'll look inti it and see if things get better [14:08] I like KVM better than VBox but the performance was lacking so I refrained [14:09] They're two different tools for different scenarios, really. :) [14:17] lets explore that - Define? [14:19] I know there is argument of whether KVM is really type 1 or 2 and VBox is type 2 - VBox works through the host while KVM goes directly to the kernel - correct? [14:21] Not really. It's sort of a gray area. [14:21] which part? [14:21] KVM is extremely lightweight and can be run without any other software. [14:22] But VirtualBox is intended to be run in a standard guest environment. It *can* be run on a server, but I'm not sure why anyone would want to, with KVM around. :) [14:22] KVM's more of a server tool and VirtualBox has always been more of a workstation tool. [14:23] KVM doens't work on a lot of machines -- it requires CPU extensions that not all processors have. [14:23] Virtualbox works on everything. [14:23] akk: can't KVM use QEMU on machines without VT, though? [14:23] but don't most of the *newer* processors have support? [14:23] It couldn't a few years ago. Perhaps things have changed. [14:24] Roguehorse: I'm not sure, but I know people said exactly that a couple of years ago and lots of processors still didn't have support then. [14:24] Even fairly hefty fast processors sometimes didn't include those extentions. [14:24] I understand - I've read some of the articles [14:24] extensions [14:25] And it wasn't easy (at least with intel) to figure out which processors/machines would or wouldn't have support. [14:25] they still make processors without the extensions [14:25] I think things have changed and VT is now pretty much standard aside from maybe some rare instances [14:25] We bought one thinking surely this fast new processor will do it, and nope, it didn't. [14:26] with VM being able to cut down on carbon footprint, consumers are expecting it [14:26] Maybe for servers. I'm not convinced most computer buyers have ever heard of virtualization. [14:27] akk: my favorite part was when the processor supported it but the OEM removed support from the BIOS. [14:27] Or heard of power saving, come to that. :) [14:27] akk: ??? you think? [14:27] I agree with akk. :) [14:27] come on now - everyone is green! : ) [14:27] Roguehorse: Think of your average mac or windows user. Why on earth would they know about virtualization flags? [14:27] They can't even upload photos from their camera to their computer. [14:27] Roguehorse: no, some people are purple [14:28] LOL! (good one) [14:28] Green is hard to do too. Have you ever tried to research power use of computers before buying one? [14:28] You can't get the numbers at all, in most cases. [14:28] It's certainly not something a casual buyer would even try to do. [14:29] I believe it was nhaines who showed me a website that calculates it for you, but you'd have to know about it [14:29] or care : ) [14:29] And if you're building a machine -- go to Fry's and look at power supplies. You'll see a lot of 500W models. Show me the efficient 80W models. [14:29] I'm not so sure that was me. :) [14:29] I concur, most people don't think about their consumption [14:30] I know it was from this forum (someone) looking to build a desktop [14:31] I don't remember for sure, but the site was nice. Made all the calculations for you. [14:33] It does sound nice. :) [14:35] http://pcpartpicker.com/ [14:35] Title: [Pick Parts, Build Your PC, Compare and Share - PCPartPicker] [14:35] I knew I saved that link : ) [14:47] for sating morbid curiosity, the design in question http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6RQprH [14:47] Title: [Intel Core i5-4460, Cooler Master N200 - System Build - PCPartPicker] [14:48] notice the lack of sound or graphics? The discussion entailed the intended use which was for VM implementations [14:48] (as I recall) [14:52] Looks useful! [15:09] I does - doesn't it? [15:10] I know when I threw the box I'm on now I researched everything separately [15:18] The GPU stated a min of 500w PS for this NVidia9800GT so I grabbed a Black Widow 550w [15:22] yikes [15:24] Yeah, I don't know all the specifics related to that but I didn't want to chance it so I follow the instructions [15:25] Definitely more red than green. :) [15:25] that was the only thing that was specific related to power consumption - and it's not even that great of a board really [15:26] It got really bright outside an hour ago, and I said to myself, "what the fsck is outside the window?" Then I pulled back the shade and looked directly into the sun. [15:26] well, the GPU was more of a "budget" thing, I had so much money ya know? [15:27] BRIGHT LIGHT - BRIGHT LIGHT!! [15:27] ... and no eating after midnight and absolutely no water!! [15:56] http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm [15:56] Title: [PSU REQUIREMENTS - RealHardTechX] [16:04] worth reading: http://www.sigops.org/sosp/sosp09/papers/hotpower_6_ma.pdf [16:04] Content type: [application/pdf] Size: [492782] [16:43] http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/gpu-consumption2006.html [16:43] Title: [The Grand Clash for Watts: Power Consumption of Modern Graphics Cards - X-bit labs] [17:01] hopefully the KDE updates will be all fine and good - should be