[05:21] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[05:28] <nuvolari> o/ morning
[05:28] <nuvolari> o hi bduk1 
[05:39] <bduk1> Morning nuvolari 
[05:57]  * Kilos Waves
[06:03] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos :D
[06:03] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[06:03] <Kilos> :-)
[06:03] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit oom?
[06:03] <nuvolari> het oom 'n lekker vakansiedag gehad?
[06:04] <Kilos> goed dankie en jy seun ek sien daar is nuwe goed vir java en html5
[06:04] <Kilos> elke dagf selle vir my
[06:06] <Kilos> http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/simd-meets-html5-javascript/
[06:10] <Kilos> jo bushtech_ het jy bed nat gemaak ou ballie?
[06:11] <Kilos> hi JabberwockyA19 die_held 
[06:12] <JabberwockyA19> more Kilos, o/ everyone
[06:20] <Private_User> morning all
[06:20] <Private_User> morning bduk1, morning nuvolari, morning Kilos, morning JabberwockyA19
[06:20] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[06:21] <Kilos> where are we gonna find you some ram
[06:28] <Kilos> ohi Guest93229 wassup graeme
[06:28] <ThatGraemeGuy_> 'lo
[06:28] <Kilos> haha
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy_> can't connect to my bouncer for some reason :-/
[06:29] <Kilos> ohi superfly you managed to wake up. sjoe late nights are hard work
[06:30]  * Kilos had another idea for the DEEP dam
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy_> i'm afraid to ask
[06:31] <Kilos> if it wont flood the below area one could build a nice waterfall near the top and even use that high glow glass stuff to light it up
[06:31] <Kilos> hehe
[06:31] <Kilos> its a beautiful dam
[06:32] <Kilos> same as they do on real time dams the overflow makes a waterfall
[06:32] <superfly> hi Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy_
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy_> you can try
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy_> if it sucks you just add a block back to stop it
[06:36] <Kilos> na i fall over the end and die
[06:36] <Kilos> i cant walk on air like some
[06:43] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:43] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell inetpro Wen jy darem met die krag probleme oompie" 13 hours, 5 minutes and 30 seconds ago
[06:43] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[06:44] <inetpro> ack Kilos
[06:45] <Kilos> ack?
[06:45] <Kilos> what taal is that
[06:46] <inetpro> tcp
[06:46] <Kilos> tcp is ontsmetmiddel vloeistof 
[06:47] <inetpro> ACK is a flag used in the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) to acknowledge receipt of a packet
[06:47] <inetpro> hoe gaan dit oom?
[06:47] <nuvolari> dankie oom Kilos , ek gaan bietjie loer
[06:47] <Kilos> goed dankie inetpro net koud soos elke winter
[06:47] <nuvolari> oh hi Private_User, JabberwockyA19, ThatGraemeGuy_
[06:47] <Kilos> en jy
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy_> 'lo :-)
[06:48] <inetpro> oh and hi everyone else
[06:48] <Private_User> hi ThatGraemeGuy_ and inetpro
[06:51] <Kilos> we actually needed you knowledge inetpro to try sort where a bottle neck is with a connection but i think the fly has it planned out
[06:51] <Kilos> is there a deeper probe tool than mtr?
[06:51] <ThatGraemeGuy_> what are you trying to do?
[06:53] <Kilos> oh didnt you follow our investigation into that lag ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:53] <Kilos> there is one server thats losing 40% of its packets
[06:53] <ThatGraemeGuy_> i was probably too busy mining obscene amounts of obsidian
[06:53] <Kilos> haha
[06:53] <Kilos> what you wanna do with it all
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy_> "server"? you mean one of the hops along the route between you and the minetest server?
[06:54] <Kilos> ya that
[06:54] <Kilos> we even got its ip addy
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy_> if mtr shows significant loss there and all hops after then it's causing real loss
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy_> if its just there it may just be rate-limiting icmp packets at that hop
[06:55] <Kilos> and for a while it showed as blahblah.linode.blabla now just ip addy
[06:55] <Kilos> i dont understand all that but fly will
[06:56] <Kilos> its just th one the others show no loss
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy_> send a screenshot
[06:56] <Kilos> are you in the game?
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy_> no, i mean send a screenshot of the mtr output
[06:57] <Kilos> i gotta go get it again
[07:00] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/upload.php
[07:01] <Kilos> its a bit better today, went up to 60% at times
[07:01] <Kilos> averages around 40%
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy_> that's the upload page
[07:03] <Kilos> oi sorry
[07:03] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/25-8IIIaalj.png
[07:04] <Kilos> hi smil
[07:04] <Kilos> smile,  too
[07:04] <Kilos> kb getting sticky
[07:04] <smile> hi! :D
[07:05] <Kilos> 8. 195.66.224.82
[07:05] <smile> your IP address, Kilos? :)
[07:05] <Kilos> no man a sick place in a link
[07:08] <Kilos> or sick link in a route
[07:13] <inetpro> ai!
[07:14] <Kilos> wat nou?
[07:14] <inetpro> why send an image when a copy and paste of text would do?
[07:14] <Kilos> he asked for screenshot so i gave one
[07:14] <Kilos> coulda used slexy hey?
[07:14] <Kilos> ai!
[07:15] <inetpro> exactly
[07:15] <inetpro> anyway, nothing I can do about that
[07:16] <inetpro> but looks clearly like some problem at the ISP level
[07:16] <Private_User> lol Kilos, just looked at a pic from that link you pasted here and was wondering if any of the peeps here as there work area looking like this
[07:16] <Private_User> http://picpaste.com/tastatur.gif
[07:17] <bduk1> Jig Private_User 
[07:17] <Kilos> hahaha  ja mine
[07:18] <inetpro> at the same time it could be like ThatGraemeGuy_ mentioned, rate-limiting of icmp packets
[07:18] <Kilos> well inetpro we gotta fix it
[07:18] <inetpro> no
[07:18] <ThatGraemeGuy_> Kilos: the 25% loss at the intermediate hop is probably rate-limiting, but the 4.8% at the end is actual loss
[07:18] <Kilos> they must all read 0% loss then it will work better
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy_> and with the game being udp-based that will be part of your problem
[07:19] <Kilos> so how do we fix it
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy_> you find another isp
[07:20] <Kilos> every illness has a cure if you know where to find it
[07:20] <Kilos> ah
[07:21] <inetpro> I see no proof of any illness really
[07:22] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel darem
[07:23] <Kilos> only way you can see that there is a prob inetpro is to try the game and die because of lag
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy_> there is packet loss between him and the minetest server, and it impacts the game's behaviour to varying degrees
[07:24] <Kilos> but strangely it hits the monkey 10 times worse than me
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy_> Kilos: how's your mtr look to 41.203.11.67?
[07:26] <Kilos> lemme try
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy_> you can press 'p' on mtr to pause updating and then copy/paste the text instead of do an image screenshot
[07:28] <Kilos> 0%all thje way
[07:28] <Kilos> it wont let me copy paste
[07:28] <Kilos> ai!
[07:28] <Kilos> oh ok
[07:29] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2PFtAo5iv
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy_> wow that's pretty good for a 3g connection
[07:30] <Kilos> i told you i got a good one
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy_> it's also because the server's on a very good network :P
[07:30] <Kilos> im sure im faster than lotsa adsl connections
[07:31] <Kilos> so put the game there
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy_> not really sure if i can, i must see if i can make a plan
[07:31] <Kilos> lol do it
[07:31] <Kilos> haha
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy_> lol you're fired!
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy_> i'll rather check first thanks ;)
[07:32] <Kilos> oi i forgot to let sheep out. wbb
[07:32] <Kilos> and if you can find a way to make it use less data youll be my hero for a while
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy_> it shouldn't use much data i imagine
[07:33] <Kilos> over 100m a day atm
[07:33] <Kilos> wbb
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy_> heh
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy_> i use more than that on my phone
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy_> but yeah, quite pricey if you're not using afrihost mobile i guess
[07:38] <Kilos> haha the game has doubled my data useage
[07:38] <Kilos> usage
[07:38] <Kilos> daai ding
[07:44] <charl_> morning all
[07:44] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:44]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:44] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[07:44] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[07:48] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[08:57]  * nuvolari does the split and cracks a bum muscle
[08:57] <nuvolari> :-/
[08:57] <Kilos> hehe
[10:23] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[10:23] <Maaz> Howzit Kilos
[11:13] <superfly> ohi
[11:21] <Vince-0> o/
[11:38] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[11:49] <Vince-0> hai
[12:28] <Private_User1> hmm... not sure whats going on today, I have been disconnected and reconnected on IRC like around 5 times already, anybody else experiencing this issue?
[12:29] <Kilos> there are a coupla others as well
[12:30] <Kilos> but you the worst, but not as bad as it has been
[12:34] <Kilos> maybe if i sleep a while it will be better when i return
[13:11] <charl_> probably freenode under ddos again
[13:44] <smile> hi :p
[13:49] <charl_> hi smile 
[13:49] <smile> hi charl_ :p
[13:50] <charl_> long time no speak to
[13:50] <charl_> how have you been
[15:42] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:46] <Kilos> inetpro, you home?
[17:25] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[17:31] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:31]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[17:31] <theblazehen> maaz coffee please
[17:31] <Maaz> theblazehen: Alrighty
[17:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and theblazehen!
[17:35] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[17:35] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[18:39] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy superfly 
[18:39] <Kilos> i see you ingame but i got bad lag tonight. yesterday avy was wonderful
[18:41] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:44] <theblazehen> hi superfly ThatGraemeGuy 
[18:44] <superfly> hi theblazehen
[18:45] <theblazehen> superfly: You have any experience with postfix+dovecot as a mail server?
[18:45] <superfly> theblazehen: a tiny bit
[18:46] <theblazehen> kk. Having some troubles receiving mail
[18:46] <theblazehen> Might be permissions but don't feel like dealing with it now
[18:46] <theblazehen> Think its permissions
[18:47] <theblazehen> using guide at http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/taking-e-mail-back-part-2-arming-your-server-with-postfix-dovecot/2/ got something that says no user $username, where it's supposed to create virtual user
[18:47] <theblazehen> I then create real user and it doesn't give error, but gives problem in mail.log about permissions
[18:48] <superfly> theblazehen: I took the easy route, I used a setup script called iRedMail
[18:48] <superfly> http://www.iredmail.org/
[18:48] <theblazehen> superfly: ah ok.. I don't have enough ram for that 
[18:49] <superfly> how much ram do you have?
[18:49] <theblazehen> Needs 1024 MB IIRC
[18:49] <Kilos> idea superfly ThatGraemeGuy can you find which one or more of those mtr ips are in za, yesterday avy while building the wall i had no lag at all. s methinks it might be one of them that was on holiday yesterday
[18:49] <theblazehen> 512 MB on VPS
[18:49] <theblazehen> Kilos: ip list?
[18:50] <superfly> theblazehen: I'll be honest, I'm not convinced you need 1GB, I think that's just if you're going to have major filtering and spam rules
[18:50] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2RfN6X64R
[18:50] <Kilos> thats today i dunno what yesterdays one was
[18:52] <theblazehen> superfly: yeah, maybe. Prefer DIY anyway though. Doing it mostly to learn how it works
[18:53] <Kilos> superfly, did you do a mtr yesterday so we can compare and maybe find the weak link
[18:54] <Kilos> hi bushtech have you installed 14.04 server
[18:54] <theblazehen> Kilos: /me has it at home
[18:54] <theblazehen> 14.04 server
[18:55] <Kilos> bushtech, asked yesterday how good it runs he wants to upgrade from 12.04 
[18:56] <theblazehen> Not much different from what I could tell
[18:57] <Kilos> you dont need to sort the 3g probs that 12.04 had
[18:57] <Kilos> imo 14.04 has that sorted
[18:58] <theblazehen> Kilos: on mtr from hop 8 and velow it's not is ZA
[18:59] <Kilos> oh my so all the prob ones worked lekker yesterday even though they didnt have a holiday
[18:59] <Kilos> sigh
[18:59] <Kilos> i was hoping it was one of ours
[19:00] <Kilos> then we could send the mafia to break some legs
[19:04] <theblazehen> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/28axb6/incorrect_answers_on_lpic_linuxessentials_prep/ lol :/
[19:10] <Kilos> ah he putting kids to bed
[19:29] <bushtech> Kilos:  Not yet
[19:32] <Kilos> no rush. was just wondering
[19:32] <bushtech> still checking it out, don't want to trash my raid server, had enough trouble setting that mother up
[19:33] <Kilos> aha i see your point
[19:33] <Kilos> i forget peeps arent like me with 3 pcs just to play with
[19:34] <bushtech> and need to do it after 12 (night owl) just gets bloody cold
[19:34] <Kilos> ouch
[19:34] <Kilos> ya wait for summer
[19:34] <bushtech> lots pc's around here but only one backup server
[19:35] <Kilos> lol ya but mine are just toys nothing that needs to work except irc
[19:36] <bushtech> would hate any of 3 to go down
[20:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:29] <JabberwockyA19> amper tyd om op die bed neer te slaan
[20:29]  * JabberwockyA19 maak net sy taak klaar
[20:29] <Kilos> haha
[20:48] <JabberwockyA19> good night everyone!
[20:48] <Kilos> night JabberwockyA19 
[20:48] <Kilos> sleep tight
[21:32] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight