[03:38] <zooko> Hi folks!
[03:41] <zooko> I like lubuntu, so I chose it for the flavor of Ubuntu to install on my Samsung ARM Chromebook 1: http://chromeos-cr48.blogspot.com/2013/05/chrubuntu-one-script-to-rule-them-all_31.html
[03:41] <zooko> Hm...
[03:41] <zooko> I see that others have reported the same crashes in the comments as I am seeing...
[03:41] <zooko> I'll go try their suggestions now ...
[03:41] <holstein> !arm
[03:42] <zooko> Thanks.
[03:42] <holstein> zooko: i would do whatever is arm specific,then just add lxde
[03:47] <zooko> holstein: some of the commenters say nothing newer than 12.04 works on ARM.
[03:47] <holstein> zooko: sure.. sounds likely
[11:10] <rafaellaguna> o/
[14:25] <pmatulis> this is woefully out of date: http://lubuntu.net/tags/download
[15:11] <The0x539> oh dear
[16:51] <JamesMc_> Question for the group. Has anyone sent a fax (or know someone) who has sent a fax by Lubuntu/Ubuntu?
[16:58] <holstein> JamesMc_: sure
[16:58] <holstein> JamesMc_: i personally just setup an email to fax# account to simplify the process for myself
[16:59] <JamesMc_> Holstein, do you use any software like efax or ggax?
[16:59] <holstein> JamesMc_: there are also many appliances that just do the faxing, which is the case where i have implemented linux for others.. but, i have setup faxing in the past.. and it worked. though, those tools are being likely dropped, or not included by default, or just not developed as much as they once were, since.. folks dont fax as much as they once did
[17:00] <holstein> JamesMc_: i used something from the default repos at the time.. that would have been maybe 8.04 or so
[17:01] <JamesMc_> Holstein, is the fax account free or paid?
[17:01] <holstein> JamesMc_: i dont use it anymore, friend..
[17:02] <JamesMc_> Ahh... ok
[17:02] <holstein> JamesMc_: i had a free one that had a pay for tier that i personally never needed to pay for
[17:04] <JamesMc_> My reason for asking is that in a few years, I will be retiring. Me and my lady are thinking a retiring in a RV on the road - and I have thought of using my Lubuntu laptop as a mobile office with printer/fax and scanner capability
[17:04] <holstein> !info efax
[17:05] <holstein> JamesMc_: why?
[17:05] <holstein> JamesMc_: why not just email.. that would come in via data more easily.. and not require a phone connection. or keeping up with a phone #
[17:05] <holstein> i would rather pay for a service, i think, to give someone a # is they prefer faxing.. which, they likely would be fine emailing whatever is needed..
[17:06] <holstein> though, nothing is preventing lubuntu from sending and recieveing faxes.. i cant imagine the fax technology getting more prevelent in any way over the next few years, though.. on any operating system
[17:06] <JamesMc_> Holstein, we also do medieval and renn fairs. Sometimes the fair/festival need us to fax proof of insurance or something like that.
[17:07] <holstein> JamesMc_: you can likely just email as well. but, im not debating *if* you need to fax
[17:07] <holstein> JamesMc_: the fact is, faxing is going away
[17:07] <holstein> JamesMc_: you *can* fax to and from lubuntu
[17:07] <holstein> personally, regardless of operating systems, i would put very little thought into future planning regarding faxing and fax capability
[17:08] <JamesMc_> By keeping a fax ability - I am keeping my bases covered.  8-)
[17:08] <holstein> JamesMc_: sure.. cover what you like, friend..
[17:08] <holstein> !Info efax
[17:09] <holstein> ^ thats were i would start.. no doubt, ubuntu *can* send and recieve faxes.. assuming you have a dial up modem and all that in place.. but, i would just route through a service that would make it more reliable and easy regardless of operating system
[17:09] <JamesMc_> Just yesterday... I had to fax copies of receipts because a mixup on their end denied paying some of my medical bills.
[17:10] <JamesMc_> On the road... there is no certainity of finding a library or Staples with a fax machine.
[17:13] <JamesMc_> Sorry Holstein, some of the people we deal with still work with 20th tech instead of 21st century tech.   8-(
[17:51] <ele88__> hello:) could someone help me?
[17:51] <rafaellaguna> let's try ;)
[17:52] <ele88__> :) first of all sorry for my very bad english
[17:52] <rafaellaguna> don't worry for that
[17:53] <ele88__> ok....:) so, i installed lubuntu 14.04 and all is good but the volume is too low
[17:53] <ele88__> i try with sìpulseaudio
[17:53] <ele88__> sorry, pulseaudio but nothing
[17:54] <silverlion> ele88__: where are you from?
[17:54] <ele88__> i can ear something , just the volume
[17:54] <ele88__> italy
[17:54] <rafaellaguna> Lubuntu don't use PulseAudio, still uses Alsa
[17:54] <rafaellaguna> Try opening a terminal and type alsamixer
[17:54] <silverlion> rafaellaguna: not necessarily
[17:54] <silverlion> i am running pulseaudio too
[17:55] <ele88__> ok i did
[17:55] <rafaellaguna> can you see the audio channels?
[17:55] <ele88__> i try with alsamixer
[17:55] <rafaellaguna> you can move from one to another with the arrow keys
[17:55] <rafaellaguna> and change values with up and down
[17:56] <rafaellaguna> is there any too low? try to adjust
[17:56] <ele88__> yes i can and i change all values at the top
[17:56] <rafaellaguna> and still low volume?
[17:56] <ele88__> yes:(
[17:57] <rafaellaguna> okay, radical solution. does your pc have enough space?
[17:58] <ele88__> i think...just a moment
[17:58] <ele88__> 75G free
[17:59] <rafaellaguna> exit the alsamixer (esc) and type "sudo apt-get install xfce4-mixer"
[17:59] <ele88__> is a very old pc..
[17:59] <rafaellaguna> mine too :)
[17:59] <ele88__> ok
[17:59] <silverlion> rafaellaguna: i'd go and try pavucontrol ;)
[17:59] <rafaellaguna> pavucontrol is more for pulseaudio, isn't it?
[18:00] <rafaellaguna> i'd prefer xfce4-mixer or gnome-alsa-mixer for alsa
[18:00] <ele88__> really i don't konw...is my first time with linux...
[18:00] <ele88__> ok all is installed
[18:00] <silverlion> rafaellaguna: yeah but depending on what software he is using he might use pulseaudio
[18:01] <rafaellaguna> run it. once opened you'll need to choose a soundcard (the expandable list) and the "add" controls. maybe the one we're looking for is hidden in alsamixer (it happens to me)
[18:01] <rafaellaguna> silverlion, Lubuntu 14.04 uses alsa only
[18:02] <silverlion> rafaellaguna: and why am i using pulseaudio then?
[18:02] <ele88__> in souncard menu i read pulseaudiomixer for all
[18:02] <silverlion> :D
[18:03] <rafaellaguna> silverlion, maybe you added another desktop, like Ubuntu
[18:03] <silverlion> rafaellaguna: negative ;)
[18:03] <rafaellaguna> ele88__, ok, now "select controls" and activate all of them, specially "speakers" or similar
[18:04] <rafaellaguna> PCM is very important
[18:04] <ele88__> in select control i have only master
[18:05] <rafaellaguna> can you choose in the upper "menu" to another device?
[18:05] <rafaellaguna> you should see "playback" too
[18:06] <ele88__> i select playback  in soundcard menu, then i move to select control but i have only master
[18:07] <rafaellaguna> and "capture"? try all the options in that menu
[18:08] <ele88__> ....only master for all...
[18:08] <rafaellaguna> something's wrong, it looks you cannot control anything of your soundcard
[18:08] <rafaellaguna> what soundcard is it? do you know?
[18:09] <ele88__> how can i know that?
[18:09] <ele88__> in computer tecnique details?
[18:09] <rafaellaguna> an app called "system profile" in system apps, I think
[18:11] <rafaellaguna> or "hardinfo" in the terminal
[18:12] <ele88__> front headphone HDA VIA VT82xx
[18:12] <rafaellaguna> at pic devices, audio device
[18:12] <ele88__> speaker and mix the same
[18:13] <rafaellaguna> pci devices, sorry
[18:13] <rafaellaguna> are the speakers integrated in the computer?
[18:13] <rafaellaguna> or they have cable?
[18:14] <ele88__> integrated, but it always works...
[18:14] <ele88__> VT8237A/VT8251 HDA controller
[18:14] <ele88__> do you know if maybe with lubuntu 12.10 is better?
[18:15] <rafaellaguna> the sound subsystem is the same
[18:15] <rafaellaguna> but, as major is the version, better devices support, so older means less devices managed
[18:16] <rafaellaguna> maybe you need drivers for thast, try "software and updates", at system menu
[18:17] <ele88__> ok it's searching for updates
[18:17] <rafaellaguna> nice ;)
[18:18] <ele88__> ok there are some software updates...install?
[18:18] <ele88__> installing
[18:18] <ele88__> :)
[18:19] <rafaellaguna> any audio driver? or just graphic'
[18:19] <ele88__> ehm...lots lib
[18:19] <rafaellaguna> that's good
[18:20] <rafaellaguna> and free ;)
[18:20] <ele88__> two linux-image
[18:20] <rafaellaguna> that's the kernel (nucleo) maybe drivers for your soundcard
[18:21] <ele88__> i hope...this is my mother's pc...
[18:21] <ele88__> :D
[18:22] <rafaellaguna> now restart when finished and come back here. I'm not going anywhere ;)
[18:22] <ele88__> thank you sooooooo much!!!
[18:22] <rafaellaguna> ank me, it's not fixed yet
[18:22] <rafaellaguna> please, come back and tell me if it works
[18:22] <ele88__> ok
[18:28] <rafaellaguna> ele88__, I have looking for your problem, and I found something
[18:29] <ele88__> tell me:D
[18:29] <rafaellaguna> it seems the old kernel fails with your soundcard, the explanation is here:
[18:29] <rafaellaguna> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1225789
[18:29] <rafaellaguna> and the solution is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/UpgradingAlsa/DKMS
[18:30] <rafaellaguna> you need to download this package: oem-audio-hda-daily-lts-raring-dkms_0.201309132333~ubuntu12.04.1_all.deb
[18:30] <rafaellaguna> it's the specific driver for your soundcard
[18:30] <ele88__> it's still unpacking and installing....
[18:31] <ele88__> when finish i restart and install the driver
[18:31] <rafaellaguna> check first if the upgrade was enough, if not follow the instructions
[18:31] <ele88__> or can i do all togheder?
[18:31] <rafaellaguna> I guess yess
[18:31] <ele88__> ok:)
[18:32] <rafaellaguna> yissss
[18:32] <rafaellaguna> :D
[18:32] <ele88__> where are you from? if I could ask
[18:33] <rafaellaguna> oh yes, I'm in Spain now... vicino! But I'm from UK
[18:34] <rafaellaguna> what part of Italy are you from?
[18:34] <ele88__> lovely Spain
[18:34] <rafaellaguna> :D
[18:34] <ele88__> Sardegna....più vicino:)
[18:34] <ele88__> i did compostala's way some years ago
[18:34] <rafaellaguna> ohmygod, molto vicino, I'm in Valencia, we share catalan as language
[18:35] <ele88__> are you a student?
[18:36] <rafaellaguna> nope
[18:36] <rafaellaguna> I'm 39 years old. But I look like 28! :D
[18:37] <ele88__> :)
[18:37] <rafaellaguna> so you're new with Linux. What do you think? I'm very interested
[18:38] <ele88__> well not so new, i use it at university...is the first time i try to install it
[18:38] <rafaellaguna> and? :)
[18:38] <ele88__> i like very much linux, i love the idea behind it
[18:39] <rafaellaguna> me too, that's why I'm here
[18:39] <rafaellaguna> one day humanity will work for helping others, not for money. Ubuntu is just a stone for the mountain
[18:40] <ele88__> maybe if one don't know enough things (like me) for problems isn't easy... but there are a mountain of helping website and chats :):)
[18:41] <ele88__> hoping that day came soon..
[18:41] <rafaellaguna> yes, I'm a member (6 year s), a kind of developer for artwork, and I needed help yesterday :D
[18:41] <rafaellaguna> we help each other
[18:43] <ele88__> yes is really important!! i'm going to leave windows also on my pc but first I have to solve some things like using emacs fot latex and C programming
[18:44] <rafaellaguna> wow, that's sorcery for me :D I only do icons and wallpapers (and some graphic stuff)
[18:44] <ele88__> just very simple things:)
[18:45] <ele88__> well all installed but problem still there
[18:45] <rafaellaguna> you need to reboot
[18:45] <ele88__> i try to download package but i can't find it
[18:46] <rafaellaguna> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/alsa-daily/+files/oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms_0.201406181447~ubuntu14.04.1_all.deb
[18:46] <rafaellaguna> hat link onto the url
[18:46] <rafaellaguna> *copy that
[18:47] <rafaellaguna> another option, do you what PPAs are?
[18:48] <ele88__> ehm....no....
[18:49] <rafaellaguna> I'll explain you once you download that package, install it and reboot ;)
[18:50] <ele88__> ok:)
[18:50] <rafaellaguna> I highly recommend to read www.lffl.org it's an Italian blog dedicated to Ubuntu and it's flavours
[18:51] <ele88__> thank you!!:D
[18:51] <ele88__> installing....
[18:51] <rafaellaguna> :)
[18:55] <ele88__> ok rebooted....now i try
[18:56] <rafaellaguna> I'm anxious
[18:57] <ele88__> :( i'm so sorry...
[18:57] <rafaellaguna> ooooh
[18:57] <ele88__> maybe i do something wrong
[18:57] <rafaellaguna> no, maybe it lacks something
[18:57] <rafaellaguna> ok, time to add a PPA
[18:58] <rafaellaguna> You know Ubuntu uses a "market", a place where all apps are for download
[18:58] <ele88__> :)
[18:58] <ele88__> yes
[18:59] <rafaellaguna> well, a PPA is an "extension" to the Software Center. It's a folder outside Ubuntu for having more apps available (a kind of extra-market)
[18:59] <rafaellaguna> open a terminal, we're going to add the PPA for the Intel Audio cards
[18:59] <ele88__> ok rady
[19:00] <ele88__> ready
[19:00] <rafaellaguna> type this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/alsa-daily
[19:02] <ele88__> ok
[19:02] <ele88__>  it give me some thing
[19:02] <rafaellaguna> asks your password, and then if accepted or not
[19:03] <ele88__> but could you wait just a minute because i m writing on another pc...i move to the linux-pc
[19:03] <rafaellaguna> don't worry
[19:04] <ele88_> okhere i'm
[19:04] <rafaellaguna> did you add the PPA?
[19:05] <ele88_> yes i did...it give me that
[19:05] <ele88_> gpg: portachiavi "/tmp/tmprrclc8ep/secring.gpg" creato gpg: portachiavi "/tmp/tmprrclc8ep/pubring.gpg" creato gpg: richiesta della chiave 72B194E5 dal server hkp keyserver.ubuntu.com gpg: /tmp/tmprrclc8ep/trustdb.gpg: creato il trustdb gpg: chiave 72B194E5: chiave pubblica "Launchpad Ubuntu Audio Dev team PPA" importata gpg: Numero totale esaminato: 1 gpg:               importate: 1  (RSA: 1) OK
[19:05] <rafaellaguna> perfect, now type this: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:06] <rafaellaguna> that refreshes your apps database, and then apply every available upgrade
[19:06] <ele88_> ok....working....
[19:06] <rafaellaguna> As I read on that page (and it's Ubuntu official) if your driver doesn't work fine, it will, because they're adding more soundcards DAILY :o
[19:07] <rafaellaguna> that package you downloaded before is at the PPA too, if they upgrade it you'll receive automatically the new version, that's what PPAs do
[19:07] <ele88_> ok great! i'm luky
[19:07] <ele88_> ok finish
[19:07] <ele88_> reboot?
[19:08] <rafaellaguna> I'm sorry I really couldn't help you, but I hope these guys update soon your driver
[19:08] <ele88_> ok so i have to wait...?
[19:09] <rafaellaguna> I'm afraid yes
[19:09] <rafaellaguna> I'm sorry
[19:09] <ele88_> oh don't worry that's ok:):)
[19:10] <rafaellaguna> :)
[19:11] <ele88_> could i contact you if i'll have any problem?
[19:11] <rafaellaguna> Of course. I use to be here.
[19:11] <ele88_> thank you rafael!!! have a great time!!!:)
[22:55] <dokopp> hi, i have a laptop (http://www.driversguru.com/manufacturer/Lenovo-model-IdeaPad%20S410p) on which the sound doesnt work with Lubuntu 14.04. On Ubuntu (newest) the sound does work. Anybody have an idea how tfix this for lubuntu..?