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jaccohi05:27
Mirvt1mp: hi. I did hear about the gallery header problem as well, and yes it's a new problem. I asked davmor2 to file a bug about it, but I think one hasn't been filed yet05:45
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cm-tdobey: I didn't (yet) file the bug, about contact, because I can't find ubuntu-phone-contacts in ubuntu-phone-coreapps, tryed in ubuntu-phone-commons but no bugsystem there, any suggestion (bug is about no contact sync from SIM)?07:15
dholbachgood morning07:16
cm-tgood morning dholbach , *07:17
dholbachcm-t, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app/+bugs maybe?07:17
cm-toh, sound logic…07:18
cm-tthanks dholbach07:18
cm-tdholbach: dobey: I finally added 3 bugs, hopes it was the good thing to do (1 for each type of import: SIM, file, account)07:40
dholbachgood work! :)07:41
cm-t#1331346 #1331348 and #133135107:41
cm-tI added "for human being" in the description since I found on askubuntu some way to sync contact, but using CLI and need a device07:42
kempeclear_highmon07:44
ogra_cm-t, contacts sync with google contacts works since a while (together with calendar syncs)07:47
ogra_(set up a google account in the system-settings, there are checkboxes for both actionas after you created the account)07:49
cm-togra_: yes, maybe, i don't know. I can't find this option anywhere08:00
cm-tI just remember on May, first boot, something asked me to sync/import on first launch of contact, but never re-opened this08:01
cm-tyesterday I put my SIM for the first time (i was using the phone for demo purpose only)08:02
cm-tand now I am not asked for anything, and can't find this option in the interface08:02
cm-tI found some howto on askubuntu, but there require the use of command line (this is not "human being")08:03
cm-togra_: I go check what you said about online account08:03
cm-togra_: you are right about account sync, I am updating the bug about it thanks for the notice08:08
cm-togra_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app/+bug/1331351 do you think it sound logic ?08:14
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1331351 in address-book-app (Ubuntu) "No access to contacts on account" [Undecided,New]08:14
cm-tmaybe the title need to be updated08:15
ogra_i would call it something like "contacts syncing is not intuitive"08:16
cm-tyou are right, done08:21
dholbachcan anyone reply to https://twitter.com/hilmi09/status/477031264982020096 please?08:24
yoldovahhi i have a question regaring porting08:24
yoldovahi have setup my tree and then i run source build/envsetup.sh  && lunch     but it just complains to me  "build/core/product_config.mk:223: *** Cannot locate config makefile for product "     how do i fix this08:25
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy International Panic Day! :-D08:26
davidxni failed execute the binary compile by gcc, it says Permission denied08:31
davidxnbut it runs successfully in adb shell08:32
yoldovahdid all the knowledgeable people in here die ?  lol08:40
seb128mardy, hey, do you think you could commit those to g-c-c-signon trunk?08:41
seb128http://launchpadlibrarian.net/167546576/gnome-control-center-signon_0.1.7~%2B14.04.20140211.2-0ubuntu2_0.1.7~%2B14.04.20140211.2-0ubuntu3.diff.gz08:41
seb128http://launchpadlibrarian.net/169660217/gnome-control-center-signon_0.1.7~%2B14.04.20140211.2-0ubuntu3_0.1.7~%2B14.04.20140211.2-0ubuntu4.diff.gz08:41
seb128mardy, those were direct uploads to the archive, it would put trunk back in sync (I would do it but I don't have commit rights for the project)08:41
mardyseb128: sure, will do -- I guess I can commit directly, without a MP?08:45
seb128mardy, yes, you can since it's already in Ubuntu08:45
seb128mardy, thanks08:45
seb128mardy, one other question for you ;-)08:45
mardyseb128: :-)08:46
seb128mardy, libaccount-plugin-1.0-0 Recommends unity-control-center .... I'm about to do a mr to change that, would you prefer to add a | u-s-s-o-a or to demote the recommends to a suggest?08:46
seb128mardy, that current brings u-c-c on the unity8-desktop iso and we don't want it there08:46
seb128currently*08:47
mardyseb128: that recommends is technically correct; I think that the problem is probably on the plugins08:51
mardyseb128: because libaccount-plugin-1.0-0 should be installed on unity808:51
mardyseb128: it's not needed there08:51
seb128mardy, should or shouldn't?08:51
mardyseb128: oops, should *not* be installed08:51
mardyseb128: it's gtk stuff08:52
mardyseb128: I guess that the correct solution would be to split all the account plugin packages into account-plugin-<provider>-data (installed in both unity7 and unity8) and account-plugin-<provider>-unity708:53
seb128mardy, ok, libaccount-plugin-google and -oauth depends on it  and are both install08:54
seb128-google seems seeded, -oauth is a depends of account-plugin-evernote08:54
seb128install->installed08:55
seb128mardy, are those libaccount-plugin binaries work with the touch stack?08:55
mardyseb128: yes, actually also facebook, twitter and others need -oauth, not sure why there isn't a dependency there08:55
mardyseb128: libaccounts-plugin doesn't work with the touch stack, but the plugin packages (such as account-plugin-google) do08:56
mardyseb128: because they also ship qml files for touch08:56
seb128mardy, twitter has a depends on "libaccount-plugin ... | u-s-s-o-a"08:57
mardyseb128: right, this is probably the solution we agreed with kenvandine some time ago08:57
seb128should the oauth do the same then?08:57
mardyseb128: it was deemed that splitting the packages would not be worth08:58
seb128because from a ldd look, that .so depends on gdk08:58
seb128not sure why it's useful on unity808:58
mardyseb128: I think that evernote and google should do the same as twitter09:00
seb128recommends on | u-s-s-o-a?09:00
seb128well depends rather09:00
mardyseb128: yes, with depends09:00
seb128mardy, ok, I'm going to mp changes for that, thanks!09:00
mardyseb128: thanks to you!09:01
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mamenyakais there a "Phablet Ports Administrators" member available to talk to? ogra_, dholbach, rsalveti09:39
popeymamenyaka: might want to ask a specific question and if someone can help they will09:40
mamenyakapopey: thank you, there is no specific question, I was just wondering if this "Ubuntu Touch port maintainers" teams are still alive09:41
popeythey are09:42
popeyvery much so09:42
mamenyakaand what purpose do they serve?09:43
mamenyakaI have 4 teams, they were created to work with phablet-flash09:44
popeyi dont know09:47
popeyhttps://launchpad.net/~phablet-ports-admins is owned by dholbach09:47
edwardoidanyone is active?09:56
popeyedwardoid: sure10:00
edwardoidhi ;) I have a question. How can I use JS libs in developing apps for Ubuntu Touch?10:01
mamenyakapopey: and what about 4.4.2 images?10:10
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yoldovahim getting lots of errors hen using lunch command   like this one  :   cc: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-mfloat-abi=softfp’    how can this be solved ?10:13
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cwaynemardy: heya, I've been having trouble adding an account on the last promoted image, any ideas?11:21
popeycwayne: what kind of account?11:25
cwaynepopey: soundcloud.  the only thing i see in the logs is: Jun 18 02:08:03 ubuntu-phablet signond[3129]: ../../../../src/signond/signondaemon.cpp 388 init Failed to SUID root. Secure storage will not be available.11:25
popeyoh, not tried soundcloud, sorry.11:26
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mardycwayne: that warning is harmless (and even wrong). What is the problem, exactly?11:37
mardycwayne: the account creation fails?11:37
cwaynemardy: yeah, it brings me back to the accounts page, but none was added11:38
mamenyakasergiusens: hi, do you have a moment? Are the Ubuntu Touch port maintainers teams still used for something?11:43
mardycwayne: try pasting the full log, after setting the logging level to 2 in /etc/signond.conf (and killing signond)11:43
mardycwayne: oh, and make sure to edit any sensitive info out of the syslog11:44
ogra_up to the team members11:44
mamenyakaogra_: and what about the phablet-flash?11:44
ogra_??11:44
ogra_not sure what you mean ... phablet-flash is depreecated since months11:45
mamenyakaogra_: that's what I was going for11:45
mamenyakathe teams were created mainly for phablet-flash11:45
ogra_people should use rootstock-ng or provide a system-image server11:46
mamenyakaI have a 4.4.2 based port, so do I need a server to redistribute it?11:46
ogra_in any case we dont control the teams under port maintainers ... all we do is provide them the launchpad infrastructure for mailing lists, bug tracking etc11:47
ogra_no idea if they actually use it11:47
ogra_either a system-image server or set up a howto for using rootstock-ng11:47
ogra_where you can point users to ...11:48
mamenyakaogra_: so then I can delete the lp:~pollux-image-dev/phablet-image-info/pollux branches in the maintainers team?11:48
mamenyakaogra_: I have a how to on xda, but this system-image server sounds interesting11:48
ogra_no idea what that is11:48
ogra_i would ask the owner/last committer11:48
mamenyakaI am11:49
mamenyakawith a manifest.json for the phablet-flash11:49
ogra_ah11:49
mamenyakawith the device uri11:49
mamenyakabut since it's deprecated, i assume it's safe to get rid of11:50
ogra_i think Tassadaar has some experience with system-image ... he runs a community server11:50
ogra_you shoudl perhaps talk to him11:50
mamenyakaok, thanks11:50
popeyas if by magic11:53
sergiusensogra_: if he comes back, tell him I intend to add community server support to ubuntu-device-flash as a 'community fallback' install11:54
ogra_sergiusens, there he is :)11:55
mamenyakaTassadar: hi, do you have a moment?11:55
Tassadardepends on what you need11:55
mamenyakaTassadar: just some info on a system-image server :)11:56
Tassadarokay, ask11:56
mamenyakaI have a 4.4.2 based port11:56
mamenyakawhat do I need for the server?11:56
Tassadarhttps://www.stgraber.org/2014/02/11/your-own-ubuntu-touch-image-server/11:57
TassadarI have mine set-up so that it builds the device-specific bits on my server and grabs the rootfs from ubuntu's s-i server11:58
Tassadarthe basics should be described in that blog post11:58
mamenyakaand then how would you flash your device using the server?12:01
sergiusensTassadar: you should be able to link direct (absolute paths) in the channel/device json12:02
ogra_using the --server arg for ubuntu-device-flash pointing to your server12:02
sergiusensTassadar: saying that in case you want to avoid the ubuntu rootfs copying12:02
Tassadarsergiusens: I need to patch the rootfs12:02
sergiusensTassadar: heh, I felt like having a deja vu when mentioning this :-P12:03
Tassadaryes)12:03
mamenyakaso ubuntu-device-flash and rootstock-ng do the same flashing?12:03
sergiusensrootstock is for custom builds12:04
sergiusensbut more of a development focus12:04
sergiusensdevice flash and system server for distribution12:04
ogra_sergiusens, rootstock is for manual installs too12:06
mamenyaka"you need a valid SSL certificate" is this still valid?12:06
Tassadarno12:07
Tassadarit can handle http now12:07
Tassadarsergiusens: also, the rootfs would be signed by different gpg key12:07
Tassadarso I don't think that would've work12:07
sergiusensah, right, you don't have the keys12:08
MirvoSoMoN: new Oxide seems to rock on Qt 5.3 too :) I'd say that blocker is now fixed.12:09
cwaynemardy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7663375/12:09
oSoMoNMirv, I wasn’t worried about it, but thanks for the confirmation :)12:10
Mirvthanks chrisccoulson also for that12:10
MirvoSoMoN: I'm always worried about everything :)12:10
mamenyakaokay, thank you Tassadar12:10
oSoMoNMirv, when do you think you will land the Qt5.3 silo?12:20
MirvoSoMoN: today? :)12:21
MirvoSoMoN: we have a meeting in 40 minutes, hopefully we'll have a plan after that. there's only 1 certainly known blocker bug, that is that the gallery-app's header is broken12:21
oSoMoNMirv, sounds good, I’m asking because of silo 7 that also contains webbrowser-app, hopefully I can land it in the next hour, so we’ll need to sync up on that12:22
MirvoSoMoN: ok. webbrowser-app is not a big problem as it's easy and relatively quick to rebuild.12:23
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mdeslaurogra_: hey, any idea why the lightdm.override file in the touch images no longer starts on runlevel?12:42
mdeslaurogra_: I'm trying to put runlevel back in, but it's making it fail for some reason12:42
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mardycwayne: it seems that the authentication succeeded, but then for some reason the account got deleted12:45
mardycwayne: where is the code for the plugin?12:45
cwaynemardy: lp:~jamesh/unity-scope-soundcloud/go-port12:46
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dobeylol12:55
dobeyyoutube webapp clearly says in the description that it's a webapp, and someone rated it 1 star with "this sucks, it's a web app"12:55
mardycwayne: did you modify the access-token from the syslog, before pasting it?12:56
cwaynemardy: nope12:56
mardycwayne: if I append that to "https://api.soundcloud.com/me?access_token=" and I try to open it in the browser, it fails12:57
mardycwayne: that's why the account creation fails12:57
mardycwayne: this code is failing: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jamesh/unity-scope-soundcloud/go-port/view/head:/accounts/soundcloud/Main.qml12:57
cwayneblargh12:58
cwaynemardy: i wonder i i just have a blank Main.qml if it'd create the account but not populate the displayname13:03
mardycwayne: not blank, but you can remove the whole completeCreation function13:06
cwaynemardy: i meant blank as in like what twitter has13:06
dobeyhmm, youtube is weird on image 50. can't play videos on youtube.com in browser or webapp, but they play ok embedded in g+13:10
cyphermoxwho can I talk to for suggested changes to the ListItems in the UI toolkit? I'd basically need a Subtitled item where I can put the subText at the right edge rather than under the main text, and where I can add a control property.13:14
JazzcatHi Folks, I'm trying to get ssh working over my wifi and was hoping someone might have an idea. I've run "sudo service ssh start" and used "touch /userdata/.writable_image" to enable a password change in case it was a requirement. I've tested from 2 machines13:15
ogra_mdeslaur, hmm, on a real device ?13:15
mdeslaurogra_: I'm looking at the emulator currently13:15
JazzcatI get "Permission denied (publickey)."13:15
mdeslaurogra_: is it different on a real device? /me looks13:15
Jazzcatnexus 513:16
ogra_mdeslaur, we dropped it because it caused the emulator to fail (and because it costs 2 second boot time to wait for runlevel for no apparent reason)13:16
ogra_mdeslaur, why do you want to add it back ?13:17
mardycwayne: yes, that would work13:17
mdeslaurogra_: because our upstart apparmor job is going to be start on starting runlevel13:17
ogra_ugh13:18
mdeslauryeah13:18
ogra_that will add several seconds to the boot again13:18
ogra_why does it need to start on runlevel ?13:18
mdeslaurwe haven't found another place to put it13:18
mdeslauryet13:19
* ogra_ wouldnt mind to simply add a "on started apparmor-foo" to our override ... but if that means to wait for runlevel *and* apparmor ...13:19
mdeslaurogra_: I tried that, and it didn't work13:19
ogra_weird13:19
mdeslaurI can't figure out why lightdm is finicky on the emulator13:19
mdeslaurlike, why is it failing if I add runlevel back?13:20
ogra_i wish i could tell you :)13:20
ogra_i think rsalveti took a look, couldnt find any reason and gave up in the end13:20
ogra_since dropping it gave us good benefit in boot time anyway13:21
mdeslaurok13:21
cwaynemardy: thanks, i was able to at least get the account added13:22
cwaynestill no luck working with the scope though...13:23
mardycwayne: maybe they changed their APIs, or for some reason are returning an invalid access token?13:24
cwaynemardy: nah, i can do account-console login and have it be happy13:25
cwayneoh i wonder if it's cus there's no app-access thingy for this scope13:25
JazzcatI haven't been able to find much online other than this http://askubuntu.com/questions/348714/ubuntu-touch-apt-get-install-openssh-server-error13:28
dholbachricmm, have ever seen anything like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7663604/ (crash of 'ubuntu-sdk' on startup)13:29
dholbachricmm, it says this in the console http://paste.ubuntu.com/7663650/ - could it be that it's looking for /etc/ubuntu-platform-api/application.conf for some reason? (it's not there and not installed by the package)13:30
boikodednick: https://code.launchpad.net/~boiko/telephony-service/active_call_indicator/+merge/22355613:32
boikodednick: sorry it took so long13:32
boikodednick: you should check this property only when dialer-app is in focus though, when it is in background or closed, you should still rely on the value of hasCalls13:33
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dednickboiko: ta13:38
boikodednick: I will ask tiago to review it, I'll let you know once this is merged13:39
dednickboiko: about the "touch to open dialer", should I be using app-launch for that?13:39
Jazzcatbrb13:40
boikodednick: I think you can launch dialer:///?view=liveCall or something like that13:40
dednickboiko: ok, i'll take a look into it13:40
boikodednick: I just need to check how to register that URI for dialer first :)13:41
dholbachricmm, zbenjamin, bzoltan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator/+bug/133147013:41
ubot5Error: ubuntu bug 1331470 not found13:41
zbenjamindholbach: that link is broken13:42
ricmmthe link is broken, but yes, the issue is known13:42
ricmmI'm currently working on a good solution for it13:43
ricmmit happens when you have qtcreator and the unity8-desktop-session-mir installed in parallel13:43
ricmmbecause it bring in qtubuntu-sensors, and for some reason qtcreator opens that up13:43
ricmmzbenjamin: does qtcreator load every plugin available on the system?13:43
zbenjaminricmm: seems the webview is opening that13:43
zbenjaminricmm: this doesn't seem to be triiggered by QtC itself but by the webview used in qtc13:44
ricmmah, interesting13:45
zbenjaminricmm: http://code.woboq.org/qt5/qtwebkit/Source/WebKit/qt/WidgetApi/qwebframe.cpp.html#_ZN9QWebFrameC1EP8QWebPage13:45
dholbachzbenjamin, ricmm - the bug is currently private, let me add you to it13:46
zbenjaminricmm: seems line 228 is loading the plugin13:46
dednickboiko: could you add a method on the TelepathyHelper for getting the callIndicatorVisible property?13:51
boikodednick: there is: callManager.callIndicatorVisible13:52
dednickboiko: ah! ok, thanks!13:52
boikodednick: callManager is available if you import Ubuntu.Telephony13:52
ricmmzbenjamin: is this something that can be toggle? or is it too deep in qtwebkit13:52
ricmmanyways, the underlying problem comes from having qtubuntu-sensors in the system13:52
ricmmwhich it will then try to open13:52
mdeslaurogra_: ok, I think I'll add an apparmor.override to ubuntu-touch-session that does a start on starting lightdm13:54
ogra_sounds good13:54
dholbachricmm, so if you have ubuntu-sdk and something like unity8-desktop-session-mir installed the problem is going to come up?13:55
ogra_rsalveti, did you ever research further why starting lightdm on runlevel hung the emulator ?13:55
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ricmmdholbach: yes, I'm trying to work a way to fix it without removing qtubuntu-sensors13:56
ricmmdholbach: but the quick way to make it work, is have qtubuntu-sensors removed13:56
dholbachexcellent, thanks a lot13:56
ricmmhave you received many reports from the community?13:56
dholbachricmm, no... it just happened to me right now13:57
ricmmok13:58
mterryMacSlow, heyo!  when we demoed the boot animation to some design people in Malta, they commented that it was too small on manta and it wasn't vertically centered -- do you have time to fix such issues?13:59
Jazzcat14736251I'm trying to get ssh working over wifi to my Nexus 5 (running ubuntu touch via multirom) and was hoping someone might have an idea. I've run "sudo service ssh start" and used "touch /userdata/.writable_image" to enable a password change in case it was a requirement. I've tested from 2 machines14:00
zbenjaminricmm: i heared it one time from someone else but could not reproduce14:00
zbenjaminbut i cannot remember who it was14:01
Jazzcat14736251I get permission denied: public key14:02
ogra_Jazzcat14736251, we dont support password auth, you need to copy yoour ssh key in place via adb14:03
Jazzcat14736251ok, thank you. I wasn't aware that this had changed. It did work previously. Thank you for your assistance :)14:04
ogra_yes, it used to work, but made our security team unhappy :)14:05
Jazzcat14736251ah, that makes sense. Cheers :)14:06
MacSlowmterry, hm... it's GU-based and using the values we got from Design... on mako and manta. I can look into it on Friday.14:13
mterryMacSlow, thanks14:14
MacSlowmterry, did we get any information of how much bigger it's meant to be? I can't recall the logo being not centered.14:14
mterryMacSlow, I can see it not being vertically centered on mako14:16
mterryMacSlow, I can't recall seeing it on manta, but it looked like it was mako's size on manta14:16
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dholbachzbenjamin, ricmm: 1331470 was just closed, because the retracer couldn't get a complete backtrace - I don't know... do you need any more info from me on this?14:31
mterryogra_, if there is a seed change, does that just ignore CI?14:33
zbenjamindholbach:  at least i don't need more infos on that14:33
ogra_mterry, we usually do direct uploads, but note that -meta is currently blocked by lool adding a framework entry, you will have to wait til he is done14:34
zbenjamindholbach: also i had the feeling ricmm knows already about the problem and where its coming from14:34
dholbachok excellent, thanks14:34
mterryogra_, not in a rush14:34
dholbachricmm, shall I reopen the bug or do we have another one already?14:34
ricmmdholbach: no need14:35
ricmmdholbach: can you test silo 015 for me please?14:35
ricmmas soon as its done publishing14:36
Jazzcat14736251_Apologies if this is too far off topic. It may be my ignorance about ssh keys. I ran: ssh-keygen -t rsa -C "myemailaddress@gmail.com"14:36
Jazzcat14736251_then adb push ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub /home/phablet/.ssh/known_hosts14:37
ogra_err14:37
ogra_why did you rename the key to known_hosts ?14:37
sergiusensauthorized_keys14:37
ogra_right14:37
dholbachricmm, hum... I don't quite know what to do - how do I get stuff from silo 015 for testing? O:-)14:37
sergiusensusing phablet-shell once should probably setup things for you or qtcreator connect to device14:38
ogra_dholbach, make your image writable, pull the debs and install them :)14:38
Jazzcat14736251_ah, cool ty.14:38
sergiusensdholbach: citrain-push --help is your friend :-)14:38
ogra_if you have the phablet-citools package installed :)14:39
dholbachsergiusens, I never used that tool and had no idea it existed14:39
ricmmdholbach: add https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-015/ to the image14:40
ricmmto the device I mean14:40
dholbachogra_, is this in a special ppa?14:40
ricmmand test that deb from there14:40
ogra_dholbach, phablet-tools PPA14:40
ricmmor yea, better ogra's instructions14:40
ricmmmines are more legacy14:40
sergiusensricmm: citrain-push does all that for you14:40
Jazzcat14736251_so hopefully I've got this right now: adb push ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub /home/phablet/.ssh/authorized_keys14:40
ricmmright right sorry14:40
sergiusensricmm: citrain-push device-upgrade 1514:40
ogra_dholbach, the package name is actually phablet-tools-citrain, sorry14:40
dholbachricmm, I used your old school method - test worked out fine!14:41
dholbachubuntu-sdk starts up fine14:41
dholbachsergiusens, ogra_: it was something to test on my desktop14:42
ogra_oh, ok14:42
ogra_weird stuff these desktop things ...14:42
ricmmbut we need to test on device too14:42
ogra_:P14:42
sergiusensdholbach: citrain-push device-upgrade 1514:42
ricmmto make sure things dont break there14:43
ricmmdholbach: can you test that too perhaps?14:43
sergiusensdholbach: and after to citrain-push host-purge 1514:43
dholbachricmm, I have a meeting coming up in a bit - it could take me a bit longer to get back to you14:43
brendandis there any guide on how to use mirscreencast to record a video of the phone? it's not exactly self explanatory14:44
ricmmok14:44
ogra_brendand, it is pretty painful  .... i started a phablet-screenrecord tool a while ago but thats still far from being finished ...14:45
brendandogra_, like what's that Failed to connect thing about?14:47
ogra_brendand, you can use multiple frames via the -n option of mirscreencast (note that gets gigantically huge)14:47
ogra_brendand, and then something like: avconv -f rawvideo -pix_fmt rgba -s 1200x1920 -framerate 24 -i mirscreencast-raw-video.rgba -vcodec h264 myvideo.mp414:47
ogra_brendand, failed to connect ?14:48
ogra_brendand, oh14:48
ogra_use -m /run/mir_socket14:48
vthompsonballoons, well, I was going through and was going to start seeing what could be done to fix the code you had for backing this up... so I ran a test to see what errors I'd get. I forgot that it was blowing away ~/. Fun times15:00
balloonsvthompson, uh-oh15:01
vthompsonnot too big of a deal. I assume reflashing w/o boot strap would be the best way to get /home/phablet back in shape?15:01
vthompsonballoons, this is what was output for the test: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7664112/15:05
balloonsvthompson, ohh on the device..whew, that's much easier then yay15:06
rsalvetiogra_: that was an upstart bug afaik15:07
rsalvetiogra_: but don't think that's fixed15:07
ogra_mdeslaur, ^^^^15:07
balloonsvthompson, you simply straight restored the old code I had>/15:07
ogra_rsalveti, no, obviously not, else it would have worked for mdeslaur15:07
vthompsonballoons, yep. Going to start debugging now15:07
mdeslaurrsalveti, ogra_: oh, interesting15:08
mdeslaurthanks15:08
balloonsvthompson, I do wonder about it.. ok, I'll let you have at it for a bit15:08
rsalvetimdeslaur: ogra_: bug 131868115:08
ubot5bug 1318681 in upstart (Ubuntu) "lightdm not started when running the ubuntu-touch x86 emulator" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131868115:09
mdeslaurthanks!15:09
mdeslaurso, the current image seems broken in the emulator15:10
mdeslauris there a known-good one?15:10
ogra_hmm, it shouldnt be broken15:11
ogra_i think you can use --revision to go backwards in versions15:11
rsalvetimdeslaur: hm, let me check15:13
rsalvetiI know people are usually not testing the emulator before promoting the images15:13
rsalvetiwhich is bad15:13
rsalvetiso it could be broken for a few days without notice15:14
ogra_davmor2, ^^^^15:14
mdeslaurit's slow as molasses, and the scopes don't seem to be working15:14
ogra_davmor2, can we do a quick "it boots" test of the emulator for future promotions ?15:14
rsalvetimdeslaur: can you check if /dev/kvm is available in your host?15:14
rsalvetiit shouldn't be slow (the x86 one)15:14
rsalvetiunless kvm is not available15:15
mdeslaurrsalveti: my old image boots fine15:15
rsalvetioh, ok15:15
rsalvetidownloading latest and will check15:15
ogra_are you sure you use the x86 variant ? :)15:15
mdeslaurthanks15:15
davmor2ogra_: no I can't run the emulator it hates my gfx card :)15:15
mdeslaurah, frak15:15
mdeslaurogra_: d'oh15:15
ogra_heh15:16
ogra_davmor2, expense a new one ;)15:16
mdeslaurrsalveti: my bad15:16
davmor2ogra_: this is my machine and I like it the way it is thanks :P   I can try and rebuild it on my laptop but that is on utopic so I don't know how much flux that might cause15:17
ogra_utopic would be better actually15:18
ogra_so we see the emulator itself still works as well15:18
davmor2rsalveti: how do I update the emulator Updates says there aren't any15:25
mdeslaurogra_, rsalveti: apps scope still seems broken for me, even with i386 emulator15:29
rsalvetidavmor2: create a new instance15:30
rsalvetijust before promoting something, run emulator create & run and see if it works fine15:30
rsalvetimdeslaur: does it show up after doing a search?15:31
mdeslaurrsalveti: yes15:31
mdeslauroh, that was a known issue, I remember now15:31
mdeslaurgeez, sorry for all the noise today15:31
oSoMoNMirv, is Qt 5.3 close to landing?15:39
cwayneogra_: hey, any chance of getting ubuntu-touch-session in today?15:39
ogra_oSoMoN, there was an email ...15:39
ogra_cwayne, i'll try to ... i know we are short on silos but i guess this one is small and quick anyway15:40
ogra_cwayne, will ping yoou once it is ready15:40
oSoMoNogra_, I know, I just wanted a finer-grained ETA :)15:40
ogra_heh15:40
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ogra_stgraber, again ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/7664283/15:47
ogra_(re-running like last time)15:47
ogra_stgraber, bah, the re-run also failed http://paste.ubuntu.com/7664307/15:55
sil2100Wellark: hi! Did you have any time to look at the indicator-network crasher?15:55
stgraberogra_: looking15:59
ogra_stgraber, note, i triggered a third run15:59
ogra_(running atm)15:59
stgraberogra_: ok, killed yours16:00
ogra_noticed :)16:00
stgraberogra_: ok, so the problem appears to be with the locking... I can run two copy-images concurently, same thing with import-images...16:02
stgraberogra_: and if import-images runs between the time copy-image starts and ends, orphan files get removed, which causes that error16:02
ogra_ah, k16:03
stgraberogra_: figuring out what's wrong with the lock now because that clearly used to work...16:03
ogra_right, must have chnaged recently16:03
vthompsonballoons, Ok, I've pushed an update that is no longer destructive16:09
vthompsonthe main issue there was that the backing up and restoring was not being done properly16:09
balloonsvthompson, obviously :-)16:10
vthompsonalso, I made a change to make ~/Music after we move it over.16:10
vthompson:)16:10
vthompsonyou were using dirname instead of basename for the name of the backed up folder16:10
balloonsawesome.. and it works then?16:11
vthompsonI also changed it so we do attempt to patch mediascanner, but the daemon is running so I might revert that and add a sleep to ensure the database is set up16:11
vthompsonNo, sadly there is still something going on that is using my normal music db when it runs16:11
balloonsvthompson, hehe.. I figured as much.16:12
balloonsI'm thinking whatever is causing patching to not work also means backup and restore won't work16:12
vthompsonpossible, but that seems very odd16:13
vthompsonbut would account for what I'm seeing16:13
vthompsonmaybe it takes time for the modified db to be seen by the plugin due to dbus16:13
stgrabercdimage@nusakan:/srv/system-image.ubuntu.com/bin$ ./import-images -vvv16:15
stgraber2014-06-18 16:15:30,243 INFO Something else holds the global lock. exiting.16:15
stgraberogra_: fixed ^16:15
stgrabercopy-image running now16:15
ogra_stgraber, thanks !16:15
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dednickboiko: is there a dialer-app counter-part to that MP which makes use of the new property? or is that still to be done?16:22
boikodednick: still to be done16:22
dednickboiko: i'm wondering if the property should be set through requests? so that other apps can request that it's visible. or actually, that it's reverse logic. It should always be visible unless something requests it to not be.16:24
dednickie. hasCalls() && !mCallIndicatorVisible;16:24
dednickwell, not that, but you probably get my meaning.16:25
boikodednick: the problem is if the application dies before setting it to be visible again16:25
yoldovahcan someone help me with these errors http://pastebin.com/U1SJRNMd :16:26
vthompsonballoons, I'm at a loss. Adding time to allow things to settle doesn't seem to help16:27
davmor2rsalveti: the networking seems really slow on i386 emulator16:28
vthompsonballoons, what if we set up the image such that the test songs were in ~/Music by default? We'd also need some manual or automated way to setup our device beforehand apart from running AP16:30
stgraberogra_: copy done16:30
davmor2rsalveti: is there a way to trigger a flick on the emulator.  For example try changing the day in the emulator on the weather app16:30
ogra_stgraber, since a while :)16:30
ogra_stgraber, thanks16:31
stgraberogra_: yeah, I wasn't looking at that shell too closely16:31
ogra_:)16:31
stgraberogra_: btw, if you can pass -vvv if you want to see what's actually going on when doing those copies16:31
ogra_stgraber, ok, will do next time16:31
yoldovahcan someone help me with these errors http://pastebin.com/U1SJRNMd :16:33
balloonsvthompson, yea.. technically we could simply copy the songs directly into music as the devices are empty16:33
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mterry_ogra_, your favorite thing!  https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-touch-session/boot-animation/+merge/22360916:34
balloonsvthompson, although it's annoying to hear, I'm not surprised backup/restore doesn't work. Something larger is at play16:34
ogra_mterry_, yeah ! ... cwayne is before you in my queue for u-t-s though :)16:34
ogra_though i wonder if i couldnt just land both together ... they are zero risk16:35
rsalvetidavmor2: yeah, it seems this is a regression16:35
rsalvetidavmor2: investigating that16:35
mterry_ogra_, nothing is zero risk!  :)16:36
rsalvetidavmor2: well, guess you could use autopilot for that16:36
ogra_close to :)16:36
mterry_ogra_, you already have a silo for the cwayne thing?16:37
ogra_mterry_, not yet ...16:37
mterry_ogra_, your call on together or separate -- both quick landings I hope, so not a big deal regardless16:38
ogra_right16:38
vthompsonballoons, the tests run as root right? Maybe the answer is as simple as starting and stopping the mediascanner2 service? It's a user upstart job though16:40
balloonsvthompson, the tests run as the phablet user16:42
balloonsvthompson, yes we could completely stop the service right.. replace the db and music should use it or ?16:42
ogra_popey, davmor2, ugh, whats up with the browser fonts in 87 ?16:54
ogra_many of my webapps have suddnely a different font16:55
davmor2ogra_: ah pass then I'm looking at planet.ubuntu.com and it's no different16:56
davmor2ogra_: did the compositing part of the browser land yet that might explain it16:56
ogra_i have some that used to use the ubuntu font and now use something like "helvetica/arial" from what i see16:56
ogra_probably thats right and was wrong before though ... not sure what the page is supposed to use actually16:57
vthompsonballoons, there must be some sort of dbus contention when the tests are running. When I start and stop the service during the test run I see in the ms2 log that it is adding the test files.16:57
vthompsonballoons, so I only see 2 solutions 1) ship with the test songs in ~/Music and make a small script that we'd use before testing to do the backup of ~/Music, or 2) we disable all the tests16:58
vthompsonalso, I think we need to assess why Jenkins isn't working. We've only been focusing on the click test changes16:59
Wellarksil2100: there is a dbus-cpp branch that should fix the crash, but we are basically trying to figure out what to do with that branch as it breaks dbus-cpp ABI17:00
WellarkI will try tomorrow to split the branch in a way that we can prevent indictor-network from crashing without breaking dbus-cpp ABI17:00
Wellarkor I need to work around the dbus-cpp crash inside indicator-network17:01
dobeyWellark: just do what gcc does in that case… "abi? what's abi?"17:02
dobey</sarcasm>17:03
Wellarkdobey: :))17:03
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rsalvetidavmor2: did you test on trusty or utopic?17:04
rsalvetias your host17:04
davmor2rsalveti: utopic17:05
rsalvetidavmor2: thanks17:05
davmor2rsalveti: just rebuilding now to see how 87 does17:06
sil2100Wellark: thanks! During the meeting we decided to anyway 'whitelist' the issue, but it's good to hear a fix is near ;)17:06
rsalvetidavmor2: also got that with 6017:08
rsalvetiso I wonder if it's something with the host17:08
rsalvetiogra_: are you using trusty?17:08
ogra_on my laptop17:09
rsalvetiyes17:09
davmor2rsalveti: I can't test on trusty it hates my AMD gfx card17:09
davmor2rsalveti: unless you fixed that :)17:10
rsalvetiogra_: if so, can you run the emulator (latest image) and see if network is working properly in there17:10
rsalvetidavmor2: not yet17:10
rsalvetihard to fix broken blobs17:10
davmor2rsalveti: you're just not trying ;)17:11
ogra_it is downloading the image ... takes 30min over my line ...17:13
davmor2ogra_: 30mins ouch17:14
ogra_2MBit ... what can i say17:15
davmor2ogra_: 60MBit here so just a little faster17:16
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davmor2rsalveti: so 87 opens up for me17:22
rsalvetidavmor2: right, it opens up fine here as well, just not sure why network is so slow17:23
yoldovahcan someone help me with these errors http://pastebin.com/U1SJRNMd :17:24
davmor2rsalveti: man that is slow17:24
davmor2rsalveti: This must be what it's like to be on ogra_ 's connection17:27
ogra_heh17:27
rsalvetidavmor2: ogra_: tested 50, 60, 70, 80, all had slow network17:27
rsalvetiso I believe this is host-side17:27
rsalvetitesting on trusty should tell us that17:27
davmor2rsalveti: could be it would make more sense17:27
yoldovahi don’t understand why there is a support channel here where questions aren’t even acknowledged   d[O.o]b17:32
ogra_rsalveti, davmor2, so 87 on trusty runs fine here17:34
ogra_hmm, but the browser doesnt work17:35
ogra_yeah, seems like i have no network at all here17:36
ogra_hmm, and no terminal app17:37
rsalvetiogra_: right, the lack of network is what I'm trying to understand now17:41
rsalvetiI know it was working before, but can't get any image to work fine here atm17:42
rsalvetiI imagine this could also be host related17:42
yoldovahi think ubuntu has the very worst support team lol17:42
yoldovahignorant17:42
ogra_rsalveti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7664802/17:43
ogra_thats what i have in syslog when the emulator starts (on the host)17:43
rsalvetihm weird17:43
rsalvetiogra_: davmor2: hm, it works fine after disabling nm17:46
rsalvetiinside the emulator17:46
ogra_not here17:47
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rsalvetiogra_: disable the network-manager upstart job inside the emulator and restart it17:47
rsalvetiyou'll see just eth0 then17:47
ogra_ah, k17:47
rsalvetiand not a bunch of extra interfaces17:47
ogra_i only stopped nm17:48
ogra_rsalveti, doesnt work here17:51
ogra_i cant ping the DNS server17:51
rsalvetiogra_: ping doesn't work17:51
rsalvetiogra_: try apt-get update17:51
rsalvetior browser17:51
ogra_Could not resolve 'archive.ubuntu.com'17:52
ogra_i tried browser first17:52
ogra_why would ping not work ? i can definitely ping my own IP17:52
ogra_rsalveti, i can also ping the gateway17:53
rsalvetinot sure, I just know it's not supposed to work :-)17:53
rsalvetiweird17:53
rsalvetihere it worked fine without nm17:53
rsalvetirun ifconfig17:54
rsalvetiI just had eth017:54
rsalvetiwith nm I have 5 extra interfaces17:54
ogra_still doesnt work here and i think its the name resolution17:54
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rsalvetihm, weird, will test it a bit more18:12
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ogra_davmor2, the browser is scrolling very very stuttery for me here on 87 :(((18:17
davmor2ogra_: wonder if it is the same issue as on manta18:18
ogra_bah and fullscreen veideo worked everywhere but not in yourtube ... thats a shame18:18
ogra_ah, not everywhere ... but on some sites18:20
dobeyogra_: any ideas about how to further debug the screen unblank not working? logcat -d didn't show any errors when it failed :(18:26
ogra_dobey, not really ... check logs ...18:30
ogra_(syslog and the unity8 log in ~/.cache/upstart/)18:30
dobeyhmm, ok. i'll update again and try that, thanks18:31
AlbertALaney: could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~albaguirre/indicator-power/use-new-brightness-dbus-interface/+merge/22333918:41
AizenHello. Can someone elaborate this line mentioned in the porting guide "Make sure you have proper permissions in the ramdisk and /init can start". I'm pretty sure init is not starting in my case :(18:44
AizenI checked the /proc/last_kmsg but found nothing useful. Only "Kernel panic- not syncing".18:47
AizenAnyone can give me a possible solution ?18:51
ogra_Aizen, are you sure you even get that far ?18:58
ogra_(the ubuntu ramdisk has proper permissions by default, not sure what that sentence refers to18:59
ogra_)18:59
Aizenogra_, thanks for the reply. My device just shows boot logo and then restarts. I added some echo statements in the init script to check if it's printed to kmsg. I also tried to light up the led. Nothing worked. So it's possible that kernel fails to start init.19:02
ogra_well, /init is just a shell script19:03
ogra_did you try putting some echo at the top somewhere ?19:04
ogra_right after it mounts /proc19:04
mhall119jhodapp: is there a way to embed a YouTube video in a QML app, without putting it inside a WebView?19:04
mhall119or open it in the media-player directly, instead of embedding?19:05
Aizenogra_, yes. I tried echo "something" to /dev/kmsg and to /proc/kmsg. Nothing worked :(19:05
ogra_at the very top of the init script ?19:05
Aizenright after mounting proc and sysfs19:06
Aizenand dev19:06
ogra_(though if it fails it should drop you into adb)19:06
ogra_right, so then i would suspect your kernel is missing something19:06
jhodappmhall119: you could use the MediaPlayer QML object, but that's not playing those videos properly yet from my understanding19:06
ogra_i,e, not even properly unpacking the ramdisk19:06
ogra_check your kernel messages19:07
jhodappmhall119: check with bfiller's team though, they were working on a generic media playback QML component that could be reused19:07
Aizenogra_, I thought kmsg provides the kernel output19:08
Aizenis there other way?19:08
AizenOhh, kernel is unpacking the ramdisk successfully. I checked19:08
ogra_Aizen, no, thats what i mean ... check if there are any errors with unpacking the ramdisk etc ... literally read it from the top19:08
ogra_if it does that it will also execute the /init script19:09
ogra_there must be something before that breaks it19:09
mhall119bfiller: ping regarding re-usable media-player component that jhodapp mentioned19:09
bfillermhall119: we don't have it yet, probably won't make it for rtm19:10
ogra_it might be unpacking but your kernel has a size limit set for example ... that way you could end up with a corrupt unpacked ramdisk19:10
bfillermhall119: but code to do playback is quite simple19:10
Aizenogra_, Strange problem :(. I also use recovery this way (by unpacking). But recovery boots fine.19:10
bfillerjhodapp: MediaPlayer qml component is working now19:10
bfillermhall119: look at gallery code for video playback or any qtmultimedia example19:11
jhodappbfiller: with YouTube videos?19:11
ogra_Aizen, you mean you dont use a boot.img on your phone ?19:11
mhall119jhodapp: bfiller: is http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/QtMultimedia.MediaPlayer/ the component you're both talking about?19:11
bfillerjhodapp: havne't tried that19:11
bfillermhall119: yes19:11
mhall119bfiller: thanks, I'll give it a try19:12
jhodappthanks bfiller19:12
bfillerjhodapp: we're using it for local playback19:12
mhall119bfiller: and I can just give it a youtube url?19:12
bfillermhall119: that I don't know, it works for file urls19:12
jhodappbfiller: cool19:12
mhall119oh, yeah, I'm specifically wanting to use youtube19:12
jhodappmhall119: only one way to find out :)19:12
bfillermhall119: do you have a url to actual video? didn't know we could get those links easily19:13
Aizenogra_, yes. We use a custom init script and two ramdisk in the sbin folder. Init script checks if we press any button during boot. If we did, it unpacks the recovery ramdisk, else the default ramdisk.19:13
mhall119bfiller: I think so, looking at a youtube channel's RSS feed19:13
AizenIf I press button, recovery boots fine. But If I don't, it should boot ubuntu ramdisk. That's where the problem occurs19:14
ogra_hmm, that could perhaps cause issues, not sure ... quite an unusual setup19:14
jhodappbfiller: mhall119: there's a trick to getting that URL...I've figured it out prior but forget right now19:14
mhall119jhodapp: do I have to construct a special URL using the video ID?19:14
jhodappdon't know19:15
Aizenogra_, what's more strange is that I unpacked the boot.img and replace the ubuntu ramdisk with android ones and it boots fine into android :P19:16
ogra_i suspect you might be missing some kernel option ... but even then you should get to the start of init19:16
ogra_unless your unpacking mangles the content somehow19:17
Aizenogra_, is there any specific changes required in kernel cmdline ?19:20
ogra_not for the ramdisk, no19:20
ogra_you need a proper console= option for when you get out of the ramdisk and into the actual rootfs19:21
ogra_but for entering it there is nothing specific required ...19:21
ogra_you might need some kkernel options so that udev can start etc ... but thats also only executed later in the ramdisk19:22
Aizenhmm, don't know how to solve this. last_kmsg gives no indication as to where's the problem :(19:22
ogra_try pulling it off the device and put it on paste.ubuntu.com19:24
Aizenogra_, here it is, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7665226/19:26
ogra_Aizen, init=init ??19:31
ogra_where does that come from ?19:31
ogra_(on your cmdline)19:31
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Aizenogra_, it's taken from the stock kernel. I think it specifies which file to run first at boot.19:35
ogra_try dropping it19:35
ogra_or at least make it init=/init19:35
Aizentried the second one. Didn't help.19:35
AizenOK, we'll try with dropping19:36
ogra_the kernel usually iterates over /init /sbin/init and various other places ... i wouldnt specify it at all19:36
AizenI'll check back with you after building19:36
Tassadar"noinitrd" might cause some problems too)19:41
ogra_Tassadar, oh, right !19:49
ogra_Aizen, ^^^19:49
dobeyTassadar: oh, hi!19:49
dobeyTassadar: are you running the latest builds on a hammerhead?19:50
Aizenogra_, Tassadar, tried removing both. Still nothing. BTW, I'm only trying out boot.img first. I don't have ubuntu installed right now. I installed before for testing but same problem occurred then too.19:58
ogra_thats fine20:00
syminwhat is the difference between all the different ubuntu-touch channels? ubuntu-touch/utopic ubuntu-touch/utopic-proposed etc ?20:00
ogra_it will not find a rootfs and drop you into an adb shell20:00
ogra_symin, you only want devel or stable ... ignore the others20:00
ogra_well, you actually only want devel :)20:01
ogra_stable is old stuff20:01
syminogra_, cant find devel, there is utopic, utopic-proposed-customized-de cant see the rest but i assume devel20:05
Tassadardobey: not the latest, I don't use utouch very often20:05
Tassadarwhy, is there some problem with those?20:05
ogra_symin, ubuntu-touch/devel is an alias to the current best image20:06
ogra_ubuntu-device-flash will know what to do with that20:06
dobeyTassadar: yeah, after pulling off the charger, when the screen blanks, it will more often than not, fail to show anything when you unblank20:06
TassadarI think that new split greeter thingy caused that20:07
Tassadaris it reverted already?20:07
dobeyTassadar: it is reverted and still happens20:07
ogra_since 5-6 images20:07
Tassadarhm20:07
Aizenogra_, is there any other ways I should try ?20:07
dobeyno idea what it is, but yes, it is likely related to that20:07
Tassadarhammerhead's drivers have problems with framebuffer blanking20:07
Tassadarif it is doing that20:07
syminogra_, havent touched ubuntu for few months, I am using dual boot, can I still use ubuntu-device-flash? There is no devel on the list in dual boot app20:08
dobeyhmm20:08
Tassadar(most devices these days do)20:08
ogra_symin, thats pretty bad, then use utopic20:08
dobeyTassadar: i did some GLES errors related to the GPU, but they weren't consistently spewed when the unblanking failed. maybe another log has more info though, no idea20:08
ogra_they are the same, just that the channel with the release name is a dead end20:08
Tassadarlemme try it20:09
syminogra_, thanks20:09
Tassadardobey: it will probably take a while, slow internet connection ;____;20:29
dobeyTassadar: no worries20:31
dobeyTassadar: thanks for looking at it. i've been feeling like a loner the past couple of weeks with this issue :-/20:31
Tassadarhm, the apparmor stuff on first boot are taking quite a long time20:38
jjohansen1Tassadar: yes, that is known. A fix for that should land soon20:39
Tassadargood20:39
Tassadarhm, yeah, the display drivers aren't happy20:42
TassadarI think it is probably because of that blanking20:43
TassadarI'll try to hack-disable it in kernel20:43
Tassadaronce I'll find where <_<20:43
dobeyTassadar: ah, thanks for looking!20:45
Tassadardobey: don't rejoice yet, it might be something else20:48
Tassadarin which case I have no idea what to do with it)20:49
Tassadaranyway, if it indeed is framebuffer blanking, then I would suggest not to do that at all, because it doesn't work on new qualcomm chips20:54
dobeyi have no idea hwo to not do that20:57
Tassadarthe thing which does all the operations around suspend would have to stop doing that20:59
Tassadarwhat is that anyway, mir? unity8?20:59
dobeyi have no idea21:02
dobeyupower probably21:02
dobeybut upower hasn't changed lately21:02
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Tassadarhm21:17
Tassadarwould be really nice to know what changed21:17
Tassadarwell, even if I ignore the blank request, it just vomits errors to dmesg21:21
dobeyTassadar: indeed. i have no idea what to look at for that. :(21:31
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Gnarhow come ubuntus sucks so fucking bad?23:20
IdleOnesarnold: if you feed them they will come :)23:58

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