[05:39] <MooDoo> hello all
[05:55] <Myrtti> moin
[06:01]  * nigelb yawns
[06:04]  * diddledan agrees
[07:02] <diplo> Morning all
[07:02] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[07:03] <diplo> How's things MooDoo ?
[07:07] <MooDoo> diplo: yeah ok thanks, madness to be up this early, but I'm cracking on with things.
[07:08] <diplo> Early?!?
[07:10] <MooDoo> diplo: ok not so much now, but was as work for 6:30
[07:13] <Myrtti> oh man.
[07:13] <Myrtti> meh
[07:14] <nigelb> I was up at 0550. Not sure what I did after that. Only started work at 0900.
[07:15] <diplo> Ah right, I was awake at 6 but don't start till 8
[07:40] <DJones> 10 days off and I come back to 100 emails, at least looks like 80% of them are spam
[07:45] <awilkins> Workspam or spamspam?
[07:46] <DJones> monty python spam
[07:46] <diplo> 100 emails in 10 days, that's really not that bad
[07:47] <DJones> mostly viagra, other medication & "build your website & online presence" spam
[07:55] <awilkins> I remember the days of a  < 1 ham to spam ratio
[07:56] <awilkins> I thought this was a conquered problem, but clearly not for private email systems
[07:57] <awilkins> I guess it's something easier to solve at a larger scale. Both the email systems I interact with have a large number of users (NHS mail, around 1 million, and GMail, billions, I expect)
[07:58] <DJones> Yeah, I use 3 email accounts at work, a gmail one which gets 0 spam, an accounts@work address which gets 2-3 spam per week and and enquiries@work address which gets 5-10 spam a day, the last two are on a small work related domain
[07:59] <awilkins> GMail leverages a vast spam identification engine of terrible power, of course (billions of users clicking "this is spam")
[08:00] <dwatkins> I saw this on slashdot yesterday, it might be quite an interesting read: https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=2590296.2590302
[08:01] <dwatkins> "The Harvester, the Botmaster, and the Spammer: On the Relations Between the Different Actors in the Spam Landscape"
[08:02] <dwatkins> It always baffles me when I get spam without a link in it.
[08:03] <bashrc> morning
[08:04] <diplo>  I'd love a way to use Gmail spam engine and pay a small fee
[08:05] <dwatkins> diplo: you can have gmail forward all mail to another account, and thus use it as a spam filter
[08:05] <diplo> Yeah I mean connect postfix/qmail etc from our company email via their spam servers, they do such a good job at it
[08:05] <diplo> Like BitFolk offer remote spam servers
[08:06] <dwatkins> yeah, I imagine if you use their mail servers for your corporate mail, the spam blocking is quite effective
[08:06] <dwatkins> we use postini, it seems to work reasonably well
[08:06] <DJones> Ooh, found a spam for a new voicemail, click this link to listen "http://en8jmq93pm.ljygoyh.com/*********".... Yeah as if that looks like a safe and well known domain
[08:08] <diplo> dwatkins, is it easy to integrate to mta's ?
[08:08] <dwatkins> no idea, diplo - I didn't do the integration
[08:08] <diplo> postini that is, isn't that owned by google now anyway? I may have remember wrong
[08:08] <diplo> Ah ok
[08:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:26] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy International Panic Day! :-D
[08:26] <awilkins> What are we panicing about?
[08:30] <awilkins> Ah well, it will be a great meeting icebreaker
[08:36] <dwatkins> spam?
[08:37] <awilkins> It being International Panic Day
[08:37] <awilkins> Who decides these things?
[08:41] <awilkins> Is there a committee that gets together and decides that a given day will be devoted to Panic (and picnics).
[08:41] <awilkins> Picnic Day sounds much nicer
[08:41] <awilkins> I may find a scotch egg and go and eat it by the river
[08:41] <bashrc> is there an ubuntu day?
[08:42] <dwatkins> there was in 2012
[08:42] <awilkins> Only reference I can find is a video of Desmond Tutu supporting a National uBuntu Day in SA
[08:42] <dwatkins> https://www.facebook.com/events/424963100880647/?ref=5
[08:42] <dwatkins> 'Ubuntu: 'I am because we are' in Swahili. A day to celebrate youth leadership with our friends from Maai Mahiu, Kenya.'
[09:00] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:05] <popey> yo
[09:06] <bigcalm> ho ho and a bottle of rum
[09:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh is it international talk like a pirate day then :P
[09:11] <dwatkins> it's September already?
[09:34]  * Myrtti does a sensible chuckle
[09:34] <Myrtti> http://entertainment.guardianoffers.co.uk/i-dd-rm001699/g-c-h-q-always-listening-to-our-customers/
[09:45] <dwatkins> nice, Myrtti
[09:49] <nigelb> 23
[09:49] <nigelb> (gah)
[09:51] <foobarry> ed balls
[10:21]  * dwatkins is in beepy hell with really cheap hold music which can only play one note at a time
[10:22] <dwatkins> The circuit that makes this music is probably less expensive than my lunch
[10:22] <foobarry> greensleeves
[10:22] <dwatkins> surprisingly not, foobarry - I don't recognise the tune
[10:22] <dwatkins> it has 20 notes, though
[10:28] <selinuxium> morning all  o/
[10:33] <selinuxium> Having an issue with Trusty... ran    sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-header-$(uname -r)     and got    Unable to locate package linux-header-3.13.0-27-generic
[10:37] <selinuxium> Doh...
[10:39] <selinuxium> linux-headers-$(uname -r)   missed the 's'
[10:39] <selinuxium> Quiet in here today?
[10:39] <bigcalm> Shhhh
[10:40] <Myrtti> ssssshhhhh
[10:40] <selinuxium> *creeps quietly into a corner*
[10:48] <popey> heh
[10:54] <MooDoo> selinuxium: tumbleweed.popey.com
[10:55] <selinuxium> :)     (smiling is quiet - no LOL here)
[11:00]  * foobarry pulls a book off the shelf and peruses quietly
[11:06] <mapps> hey LL
[11:06] <mapps> ALL
[11:06] <mapps> back in uk.and my sky routers here:D gotta go collect it in a min..so fibre soon yay
[13:28] <MooDoo> czajkowski: just seen a tweet you're involved with re mongodb meetup :)
[13:51] <czajkowski> I am indeed
[13:51] <mgdm> czajkowski: OH
[13:51] <mgdm> czajkowski: I owe you an email about that, don't I
[13:53] <czajkowski> mgdm: indeed :)
[13:53] <czajkowski> but tis ok I know you're busy
[13:53] <mgdm> czajkowski: writing it now ;-)
[13:54] <mgdm> czajkowski: (PM your email again?)
[13:54] <czajkowski> first dot surname at the place I work dot com :)
[13:54] <mgdm> nae bother
[13:57] <bigcalm> I hope somebody does a talk on mongodb at oggcamp so that I can find out if I should actually use it or not
[13:57] <mgdm> There'll probably be one at PHPNW... :P
[13:57]  * bigcalm tuts
[13:58]  * bigcalm pouts
[13:58]  * bigcalm wants to go to both!
[13:58]  * mgdm got his ticket for PHPNW yesterday \o/
[13:58] <bigcalm> I'll miss seeing you in a kilt and Jen in top hat and tails
[13:58] <mgdm> :D
[14:15] <bashrc> afaik mongodb doesn't run well on ARM
[14:33] <Myrtti> I have now seen it all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwX0mhPfE-g
[14:33] <Myrtti> Boris and Paxman on a tandem bicycle
[14:35] <bashrc> the establishment at leisure
[14:43] <bigcalm> That's amazing
[14:43] <Armag3dd0n24> I like eggs.
[14:43] <bigcalm> I can imagine them being drinking buddies
[14:49] <dwatkins> Shouldn't Boris be on a Boris Bike?
[14:52] <bigcalm> You mean a Ken Bike?
[14:54] <dwatkins> that too
[14:56] <bigcalm> ;)
[14:56] <bigcalm> Sorry, just being a pita
[15:30] <daftykins> just re-done the thermal interface material on that red Sony
[15:31] <daftykins> hitting 70 deg C max load with an i5 2410M
[15:31] <daftykins> so the only thing that doesn't work... is the right mouse button
[15:31] <daftykins> i'm sure someone with a multimeter and some patience could isolate that fault, but i'm not going to go that far :>
[15:38] <shauno> just put osx on it and they won't need that button ;)
[15:38] <daftykins> i always use right click on macs ;_:
[17:02] <dogmatic69_> How can I make all the home folders move? is it best to just mount something to /home
[17:04] <daftykins> what are you trying to do?
[17:04]  * daftykins nudges dogmatic69_ 
[17:05] <dogmatic69_> daftykins: I got a new shiny raid with 3TB of space, and a SSD (which currently has /home) complaining that its full
[17:05] <daftykins> ah right
[17:05] <dogmatic69_> so, need to move /home -> /raid/HomeDir
[17:06] <daftykins> that's an idea, but the best way to handle an SSD is a little different
[17:06] <dogmatic69_> my raid is mounted to /raid
[17:06] <dogmatic69_> why would ssd be different?
[17:06] <daftykins> instead of moving the entire /home, be aware that your software configs are in ~/.config and so on as well, so leaving them on the SSD would be best
[17:07] <daftykins> so instead, make /raid/username then move all your folders of data, e.g. music, documents, pictures over
[17:07] <daftykins> then symlink those folders back to /home/username/
[17:07] <dogmatic69_> I see, for speed... well raid 1 should be pretty snappy
[17:07] <daftykins> hehe, nowhere near as good as SSD
[17:07] <dogmatic69_> ye, I have done that a bit, but now my ~/Downloads is 20gb
[17:07] <dogmatic69_> ssd is 60 :/
[17:08] <daftykins> so move that to /raid/username too and then symlink it back so it still looks like it's in /home/username/
[17:08] <dogmatic69_> ok
[17:08] <dogmatic69_> symlinks are pretty good at staying put?
[17:09] <dogmatic69_> dont want to make a bunch and they keep disappearing
[17:12] <daftykins> they're permanent yes
[17:14] <dogmatic69_> daftykins: what about swap?
[17:15] <dogmatic69_> i just upgraded to 16gb ram, currently have 8gb swap on the ssd
[17:15] <daftykins> depends if you ever use sleep or hibernate i guess
[17:15] <dogmatic69_> nope, just on or off
[17:16] <daftykins> probably no reason to change that then
[17:17] <dogmatic69_> ok
[22:27] <dogmatic69_> ok, sound on my new mobo is crappy :/
[22:27] <dogmatic69_> Realtek ALC1150
[22:33] <dogmatic69_> bug 1330546