[00:05] isn't portland super rainy? [00:06] yes why yes it is and I like the rain :) [00:06] first thing every says like it's a bad thing. I've got to turn the lawn sprinklers on tomorrow because the sun is nuking my crappy grass [00:06] hahaha, ok. well then it sounds perfect [00:07] screw grass, we should all make like san diego-ians (?) and replace grass with green rocks. [00:07] don't have to water rocks. [00:08] I want to replace my grass with solar panels [00:08] really? [00:08] grass needs water already? [00:09] yea, I live in retiree area where they have their manucured lawns and it's golf course green [00:09] jrwren: Certain grasses do [00:09] I'm cursing all the rain we've been getting because I have to mow too often. [00:09] jrwren: ++ [00:09] i can't wait for august :) [00:09] less mowing [00:09] jrwren: yea, we've got sandy soil here. So all that water runs away down to the wetlands behind the house [00:09] ah, sandy soil. [00:09] so for 3' from the edge of my property it's green and tall [00:09] you could build up that soil over a few years [00:09] the rest is quickly browning fail [00:10] yea, I talked to the retired guy across the street once [00:10] they had 18" excavated and filled with topsoil and then had the lawn laid out [00:10] 18"!!! [00:10] that seems excessive [00:12] no idea, I heard that and went "yea...that's nice" [00:27] Yeah, that's a bit much [12:10] so last night you guys were saying about rain? looks like it's rain the rest of the week [12:23] lovely [12:23] Good light show last night [12:23] no sprinklers this week then woot! [12:33] * krondor curses rain god rick_h_ for killing yet another week of biking fun [12:35] You can bike in the rain. Don't be a wuss. [12:36] krondor: time for fenders :) [12:38] it's mountain biking and scary biker guys will kick your ass if you mess up the trails in the mud [12:40] How would they know it's you? [12:41] krondor: mud riding is some of the best [12:41] do you have a set of fattys? [12:42] absolutely it's ufn. No fattys, but I'm on 2.2" width so they don't sink too bad [12:42] these guys (cramba) in our area maintain a lot of the park trails; http://www.cramba.org/2012/11/29/ride-dirt-trails-not-mud-trails/ [12:42] http://goo.gl/MsmWGj - Ride Dirt Trails, Not Mud Trails. | CRAMBA-IMBA [12:43] I ride my dad's moonlander in the mud sometimes [12:43] since i volunteer to help maintain the trail i don't feel too bad [12:45] mrgoodcat: nice, I'm a mooch but always think of helping. [12:45] I also think the mud damage probably highly depends on the type of trail and the riding style [12:46] I'm probably too slow to cause any real harm lol [12:46] on a moonlander it is pretty difficult to really mess up the trail [12:46] the tire is 4.5" or something in that range [12:47] 4.8 [12:49] yeah that's a lot of surface area to spread weight out. Is it hard to peddle that thing? [12:50] nah not too bad [12:50] i don't ride it very often though [12:50] usually i'm just on my diamondback [12:51] really any time you would be riding the moondlander it is actually *easier* because you're in soft terrain that would be a total bitch on a normal tire [12:53] yeah that makes sense [13:03] Why is it so dark outside? [13:23] Apparently the storms last night scared our alarm clock [13:40] cmaloney: mine too [13:41] Yeah, I woke up only a few minutes ago [13:50] wow. [13:52] <_stink_> gah [13:53] <_stink_> what is the current 'right' way to build .debs? suddenly i have a reason to do it again and those tools and the advice for using them seem to change like every 8 days. [13:53] <_stink_> google is useless. [13:54] <_stink_> the current version in 14.04 is broken and the bug is in launchpad and is fixed upstream. i presume i apt-get source the package, apply the fix, but then what? [13:54] _stink_:Your best bet would be to find a debian developer to do it for you [13:54] I hear they like whiskey. [13:55] <_stink_> haha [13:56] <_stink_> oh how many angry feelings about packaging this dredges up. [13:57] _stink_: there is not "right" way except what works for you. [13:57] _stink_: are you doing it for internal use, or for PPA or for inclusion in universe? [13:58] <_stink_> jrwren: first for personal use, but if i can make a ppa at least until the official one gets updated i want to. [13:58] _stink_: "then what?" A: run debuild [13:58] <_stink_> i know i have to do the keys and stuff for a ppa [13:58] <_stink_> ok cool. [13:58] <_stink_> what is dpkg-buildpackage, then? [13:59] <_stink_> they appear to do the same thing [13:59] <_stink_> but some say to use one, others the other [13:59] not just that, but you have to rev the pkg version in debian/changelog and either update the original tar.gz which apt-get source fetched, or apply the patch in the debian/ dir [13:59] debuild does a bunch of checks and eventually runs dpkg-buildpackage for you [13:59] <_stink_> *thank you*. [13:59] <_stink_> that is what i needed [13:59] if you don't care about hte checks, you can use dpkg-buildpackage and skip debuild [13:59] <_stink_> i like checks [14:00] the checks are stuff you need to get it into a PPA [14:00] heck, I think PPA runs debuild, so that has to at least succeed locally [14:00] <_stink_> jrwren: thank you for making me less angry [14:00] you are welcome. [14:00] anytime you have dpkg questions, I'll try to help. I've gotten beyond nub status and into dangrous on this topic [14:01] <_stink_> hah, perfect. [14:30] _stink_: See, all it takes is a little whiskey. ;) [14:32] mmm whisky [14:32] scotch++ [14:54] http://musicandriotsmagazine.com/?p=10657 [14:54] http://goo.gl/vQH22I - Exclusive Stream: Colosso's Foregone Semblances 7" | musicandriotsmagazine.com [15:25] http://blog.ziade.org/2014/05/23/data-decentralization-amp-mozilla/ [15:25] http://goo.gl/NuW9h6 - Data decentralization & Mozilla [15:25] cool [16:07] jrwren: I may have missed something, but is there anything new/actionable in that post? [17:25] It's coming for you guys next https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/101667/2014-06-18%2013.02.24.jpg [17:25] http://goo.gl/l33N3t - image/jpeg [17:25] greg-g: nah, that post was from a month ago. I just now saw it, or was reminded of it. [17:28] brousch__: Yeah, saw that on G+ [17:28] yay more storms [17:28] video is processing [17:29] what is this "weather" thing you all keep talking about? [17:30] It's like intense fog [17:33] oh, we have that [17:33] :) [17:37] the video: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x370asm044dcyde/2014-06-18%2017.04.28.mp4 [17:37] http://goo.gl/HyM4ZB - Dropbox - 2014-06-18 17.04.28.mp4 [17:37] I clicked ow.ly links so you don't have to [17:37] Gee, thanks :P [17:38] :P [17:42] i wish I could figure out why my fucking machine keeps pausing every few seconds [17:42] it is driving me insane [17:43] ls -al [17:44] heh [17:46] brousch__: OMG THAT BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED BY THE STORM?!?!!?!?!! [17:49] You mean the car shredding machine next door? [17:50] wow, codespaces.com [17:50] brousch__: yeah [17:50] brousch__: also, awesome, you have a car shredding machine next door?! [17:50] though, that must suck for concentration [17:51] It does. It vibrates our entire building all day long and explodes every month when they forget to empty a gas tank [17:52] lol [17:53] It's always funny the first time that happens after a new employee starts [17:54] nice [17:54] They think a bomb went off while the rest of us ignore it as routine [17:54] ....until the real bomb goes off [17:54] shit, hi NSA [17:55] I may have a beard, but I'm not the enemy [18:01] I'm about 3 seconds from smashing my computer [18:01] fucking pauses are really pissing me off [18:02] :( [18:02] and of course because hulk smash, hulk managed to break the stupid little tabs that raise the keyboard [18:02] :( [18:02] Happens whenever I reboot my computer and I have no clue why it does it [18:03] eventually it just ges away. [18:03] Little things are really setting me off today. [18:03] I feel ya [18:07] pauses? [18:07] Yeah, it'll just stop, like an SSH connection [18:07] I had behavior like that on my old computer. I finally figured out it was Akondi indexing all the things on my hard drive [18:08] That might be helpful if I'd ever touched something KDE-related. :) [18:08] Is there not a Gnome equivalent? [18:09] Not that I'm aware of [18:09] more frustrating: whatever is happening isn't logging anything [18:12] tracker-something [18:12] cmaloney: there is [18:12] I'm not running it [18:12] check (or uncheck) the boxes in the Search tab in your settings [18:12] * greg-g nods [18:14] greg-g: the only thing that terrifies me more than your beard is the US government :p [18:14] And only a little bit [18:15] cmaloney: iotop show IO per process? [18:16] jrwren: :P [18:18] greg-g: Burgers in bacon grease?!?!?! wtf?!?!?! [18:21] jrwren: well, we just got done making 4 slices of bacon, what'd you want us to do with it? :) [18:23] you know, your hippie status would like double, if you were vegetarian. [18:23] I used to be! then Carrie went paleo [18:24] ugh. [18:25] i'm anti paleo [18:25] :) [18:26] Yeah, I'm not a fan of paleo [18:27] I think it's a ridiculous variant of Atkins [18:28] https://shutthebackdoor.net/ [18:28] http://goo.gl/A1coVb - Shut the NSA's Surveillance Backdoor [18:28] vote today or tomorrow [18:31] I want to eat like my ancestors did when they lived to be 35! [18:32] my fad diet is beer and salad greens. [18:32] because once I have had enough beer, i odn't care what I eat, I just want more beer. [18:32] Really? I drink 1, 2 beers at most. Then don't want any more [18:32] i love beer. [18:32] but no, not really. [19:47] btw: Does anyone have a leopold keyboard that they're not using the flip-out feet on? :) [19:47] Asking for a friend. [19:48] anyone familiar enought with both cmake and autotools to give me a pros/cons of each? [19:48] I get angry whenever I have to run cmake. [19:48] That's about the only pro / con I have. [23:32] Evening