[00:05] <waf> isn't portland super rainy?
[00:06] <rick_h_> yes why yes it is and I like the rain :)
[00:06] <rick_h_> first thing every says like it's a bad thing. I've got to turn the lawn sprinklers on tomorrow because the sun is nuking my crappy grass
[00:06] <waf> hahaha, ok. well then it sounds perfect
[00:07] <waf> screw grass, we should all make like san diego-ians (?) and replace grass with green rocks.
[00:07] <waf> don't have to water rocks.
[00:08] <cmaloney> I want to replace my grass with solar panels
[00:08] <jrwren> really?
[00:08] <jrwren> grass needs water already?
[00:09] <rick_h_> yea, I live in retiree area where they have their manucured lawns and it's golf course green
[00:09] <cmaloney> jrwren: Certain grasses do
[00:09] <jrwren> I'm cursing all the rain we've been getting because I have to mow too often.
[00:09] <cmaloney> jrwren: ++
[00:09] <jrwren> i can't wait for august :)
[00:09] <jrwren> less mowing
[00:09] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, we've got sandy soil here. So all that water runs away down to the wetlands behind the house
[00:09] <jrwren> ah, sandy soil.
[00:09] <rick_h_> so for 3' from the edge of my property it's green and tall
[00:09] <jrwren> you could build up that soil over a few years
[00:09] <rick_h_> the rest is quickly browning fail
[00:10] <rick_h_> yea, I talked to the retired guy across the street once
[00:10] <rick_h_> they had 18" excavated and filled with topsoil and then had the lawn laid out
[00:10] <jrwren> 18"!!!
[00:10] <jrwren> that seems excessive
[00:12] <rick_h_> no idea, I heard that and went "yea...that's nice"
[00:27] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's a bit much
[12:10] <krondor> so last night you guys were saying about rain? looks like it's rain the rest of the week
[12:23] <brousch__> lovely
[12:23] <brousch__> Good light show last night
[12:23] <rick_h_> no sprinklers this week then woot!
[12:33]  * krondor curses rain god rick_h_ for killing yet another week of biking fun
[12:35] <brousch__> You can bike in the rain. Don't be a wuss.
[12:36] <rick_h_> krondor: time for fenders :)
[12:38] <krondor> it's mountain biking and scary biker guys will kick your ass if you mess up the trails in the mud
[12:40] <brousch__> How would they know it's you?
[12:41] <mrgoodcat> krondor: mud riding is some of the best
[12:41] <mrgoodcat> do you have a set of fattys?
[12:42] <krondor> absolutely it's ufn.  No fattys, but I'm on 2.2" width so they don't sink too bad
[12:42] <krondor> these guys (cramba) in our area maintain a lot of the park trails; http://www.cramba.org/2012/11/29/ride-dirt-trails-not-mud-trails/
[12:42] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/MsmWGj - Ride Dirt Trails, Not Mud Trails. | CRAMBA-IMBA
[12:43] <mrgoodcat> I ride my dad's moonlander in the mud sometimes
[12:43] <mrgoodcat> since i volunteer to help maintain the trail i don't feel too bad
[12:45] <krondor> mrgoodcat:  nice, I'm a mooch but always think of helping.
[12:45] <krondor> I also think the mud damage probably highly depends on the type of trail and the riding style
[12:46] <krondor> I'm probably too slow to cause any real harm lol
[12:46] <mrgoodcat> on a moonlander it is pretty difficult to really mess up the trail
[12:46] <mrgoodcat> the tire is 4.5" or something in that range
[12:47] <mrgoodcat> 4.8
[12:49] <krondor> yeah that's a lot of surface area to spread weight out.  Is it hard to peddle that thing?
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> nah not too bad
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> i don't ride it very often though
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> usually i'm just on my diamondback
[12:51] <mrgoodcat> really any time you would be riding the moondlander it is actually *easier* because you're in soft terrain that would be a total bitch on a normal tire
[12:53] <krondor> yeah that makes sense
[13:03] <brousch__> Why is it so dark outside?
[13:23] <cmaloney> Apparently the storms last night scared our alarm clock
[13:40] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: mine too
[13:41] <cmaloney> Yeah, I woke up only a few minutes ago
[13:50] <jrwren> wow.
[13:52] <_stink_> gah
[13:53] <_stink_> what is the current 'right' way to build .debs?  suddenly i have a reason to do it again and those tools and the advice for using them seem to change like every 8 days.
[13:53] <_stink_> google is useless.
[13:54] <_stink_> the current version in 14.04 is broken and the bug is in launchpad and is fixed upstream.  i presume i apt-get source the package, apply the fix, but then what?
[13:54] <cmaloney> _stink_:Your best bet would be to find a debian developer to do it for you
[13:54] <cmaloney> I hear they like whiskey.
[13:55] <_stink_> haha
[13:56] <_stink_> oh how many angry feelings about packaging this dredges up.
[13:57] <jrwren> _stink_: there is not "right" way except what works for you.
[13:57] <jrwren> _stink_: are you doing it for internal use, or for PPA or for inclusion in universe?
[13:58] <_stink_> jrwren: first for personal use, but if i can make a ppa at least until the official one gets updated i want to.
[13:58] <jrwren> _stink_: "then what?"  A: run debuild
[13:58] <_stink_> i know i have to do the keys and stuff for a ppa
[13:58] <_stink_> ok cool.
[13:58] <_stink_> what is dpkg-buildpackage, then?
[13:59] <_stink_> they appear to do the same thing
[13:59] <_stink_> but some say to use one, others the other
[13:59] <jrwren> not just that, but you have to rev the pkg version in debian/changelog and either update the original tar.gz which apt-get source fetched, or apply the patch in the debian/ dir
[13:59] <jrwren> debuild does a bunch of checks and eventually runs dpkg-buildpackage for you
[13:59] <_stink_> *thank you*.
[13:59] <_stink_> that is what i needed
[13:59] <jrwren> if you don't care about hte checks, you can use dpkg-buildpackage and skip debuild
[13:59] <_stink_> i like checks
[14:00] <jrwren> the checks are stuff you need to get it into a PPA
[14:00] <jrwren> heck, I think PPA runs debuild, so that has to at least succeed locally
[14:00] <_stink_> jrwren: thank you for making me less angry
[14:00] <jrwren> you are welcome.
[14:00] <jrwren> anytime you have dpkg questions, I'll try to help. I've gotten beyond nub status and into dangrous on this topic
[14:01] <_stink_> hah, perfect.
[14:30] <cmaloney> _stink_: See, all it takes is a little whiskey. ;)
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> mmm whisky
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> scotch++
[14:54] <cmaloney> http://musicandriotsmagazine.com/?p=10657
[14:54] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/vQH22I - Exclusive Stream: Colosso's Foregone Semblances 7" | musicandriotsmagazine.com
[15:25] <jrwren> http://blog.ziade.org/2014/05/23/data-decentralization-amp-mozilla/
[15:25] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/NuW9h6 - Data decentralization & Mozilla
[15:25] <jrwren> cool
[16:07] <greg-g> jrwren: I may have missed something, but is there anything new/actionable in that post?
[17:25] <brousch__> It's coming for you guys next https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/101667/2014-06-18%2013.02.24.jpg
[17:25] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/l33N3t - image/jpeg
[17:25] <jrwren> greg-g: nah, that post was from a month ago.  I just now saw it, or was reminded of it.
[17:28] <cmaloney> brousch__: Yeah, saw that on G+
[17:28] <cmaloney> yay more storms
[17:28] <brousch__> video is processing
[17:29] <greg-g> what is this "weather" thing you all keep talking about?
[17:30] <brousch__> It's like intense fog
[17:33] <greg-g> oh, we have that
[17:33] <greg-g> :)
[17:37] <greg-g> the video: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x370asm044dcyde/2014-06-18%2017.04.28.mp4
[17:37] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/HyM4ZB - Dropbox - 2014-06-18 17.04.28.mp4
[17:37] <greg-g> I clicked ow.ly links so you don't have to
[17:37] <brousch__> Gee, thanks :P
[17:38] <greg-g> :P
[17:42] <cmaloney> i wish I could figure out why my fucking machine keeps pausing every few seconds
[17:42] <cmaloney> it is driving me insane
[17:43] <cmaloney> ls -al
[17:44] <cmaloney> heh
[17:46] <greg-g> brousch__: OMG THAT BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED BY THE STORM?!?!!?!?!!
[17:49] <brousch__> You mean the car shredding machine next door?
[17:50] <greg-g> wow, codespaces.com
[17:50] <greg-g> brousch__: yeah
[17:50] <greg-g> brousch__: also, awesome, you have a car shredding machine next door?!
[17:50] <greg-g> though, that must suck for concentration
[17:51] <brousch__> It does. It vibrates our entire building all day long and explodes every month when they forget to empty a gas tank
[17:52] <greg-g> lol
[17:53] <brousch__> It's always funny the first time that happens after a new employee starts
[17:54] <cmaloney> nice
[17:54] <brousch__> They think a bomb went off while the rest of us ignore it as routine
[17:54] <greg-g> ....until the real bomb goes off
[17:54] <greg-g> shit, hi NSA
[17:55] <greg-g> I may have a beard, but I'm not the enemy
[18:01] <cmaloney> I'm about 3 seconds from smashing my computer
[18:01] <cmaloney> fucking pauses are really pissing me off
[18:02] <greg-g> :(
[18:02] <cmaloney> and of course because hulk smash, hulk managed to break the stupid little tabs that raise the keyboard
[18:02] <greg-g> :(
[18:02] <cmaloney> Happens whenever I reboot my computer and I have no clue why it does it
[18:03] <cmaloney> eventually it just ges away.
[18:03] <cmaloney> Little things are really setting me off today.
[18:03] <greg-g> I feel ya
[18:07] <brousch__> pauses?
[18:07] <cmaloney> Yeah, it'll just stop, like an SSH connection
[18:07] <brousch__> I had behavior like that on my old computer. I finally figured out it was Akondi indexing all the things on my hard drive
[18:08] <cmaloney> That might be helpful if I'd ever touched something KDE-related. :)
[18:08] <brousch__> Is there not a Gnome equivalent?
[18:09] <cmaloney> Not that I'm aware of
[18:09] <cmaloney> more frustrating: whatever is happening isn't logging anything
[18:12] <greg-g> tracker-something
[18:12] <greg-g> cmaloney: there is
[18:12] <cmaloney> I'm not running it
[18:12] <greg-g> check (or uncheck) the boxes in the Search tab in your settings
[18:12]  * greg-g nods
[18:14] <jrwren> greg-g: the only thing that terrifies me more than your beard is the US government :p
[18:14] <cmaloney> And only a little bit
[18:15] <jrwren> cmaloney: iotop show IO per process?
[18:16] <greg-g> jrwren: :P
[18:18] <jrwren> greg-g: Burgers in bacon grease?!?!?! wtf?!?!?!
[18:21] <greg-g> jrwren: well, we just got done making 4 slices of bacon, what'd you want us to do with it? :)
[18:23] <jrwren> you know, your hippie status would like double, if you were vegetarian.
[18:23] <greg-g> I used to be! then Carrie went paleo
[18:24] <jrwren> ugh.
[18:25] <jrwren> i'm anti paleo
[18:25] <greg-g> :)
[18:26] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm not a fan of paleo
[18:27] <cmaloney> I think it's a ridiculous variant of Atkins
[18:28] <mrgoodcat> https://shutthebackdoor.net/
[18:28] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/A1coVb - Shut the NSA's Surveillance Backdoor
[18:28] <mrgoodcat> vote today or tomorrow
[18:31] <brousch__> I want to eat like my ancestors did when they lived to be 35!
[18:32] <jrwren> my fad diet is beer and salad greens.
[18:32] <jrwren> because once I have had enough beer, i odn't care what I eat, I just want more beer.
[18:32] <brousch__> Really? I drink 1, 2 beers at most. Then don't want any more
[18:32] <jrwren> i love beer.
[18:32] <jrwren> but no, not really.
[19:47] <cmaloney> btw: Does anyone have a leopold keyboard that they're not using the flip-out feet on? :)
[19:47] <cmaloney> Asking for a friend.
[19:48] <jrwren> anyone familiar enought with both cmake and autotools to give me a pros/cons of each?
[19:48] <cmaloney> I get angry whenever I have to run cmake.
[19:48] <cmaloney> That's about the only pro / con I have.
[23:32] <cmaloney> Evening