[02:14] <bluezone> o gawd i hope they didn't take another look at my application yet, i've been uploading new versions with major fixes every 2 hours haha
[02:21] <Max_Tither> Hello to anyone who listens. I was wondering where I could find the same script that reviews my click package for errors.
[05:31] <AskUbuntu> Setting Up .NET Development Environment in VirtualBox | http://askubuntu.com/q/485771
[06:09] <bluezone> setting up a development environment is barely doable on a real system
[06:09] <bluezone> wouldn't even attempt on vbox haha
[06:19] <dholbach> good morning
[07:09] <AskUbuntu> Why does not app update appear in Software Center? | http://askubuntu.com/q/485801
[07:17] <mihir> Good Morning :)
[07:19] <popey> morning
[08:02] <justCarakas> any plans on porting orca ?
[08:06] <justCarakas> JamesTait: do you know who I should ask about support for blind ppl ? like orca ?
[08:16] <justCarakas> dholbach: do you know if there are plans for a screenreader ?
[08:17] <dholbach> justCarakas, I have no idea
[08:17] <dholbach> justCarakas, might be worth asking on ubuntu-phone@
[08:17] <justCarakas> oki
[08:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Dump The Pump Day! :-D
[08:35] <JamesTait> justCarakas, that's a reall good question.  I have no idea.
[08:42] <JamesTait> Has anyone played with QtSensors on a Nexus 4?  In particular, I wanted to play with TiltSensor, but I can't seem to get any readings from it, although Accelerometer seems to work.
[08:44] <justCarakas> JamesTait: I haven't I keep hopeing they won't implement the proximity sensor, because mine is broken :p
[08:54] <popey> JamesTait: Elleo has
[08:55] <JamesTait> justCarakas, I had that problem on my old HTC Desire - made ending calls interesting. ;)
[08:56] <Elleo> popey: I've just been using Accelerometer directly, I haven't done anything with TiltSensor
[08:56] <justCarakas> JamesTait: Yea, I had to map the powerdown button to end calls
[08:57] <justCarakas> but sometimes I have to spam it
[08:57] <JamesTait> Elleo, right, that's what I was thinking of doing as well.
[08:57] <JamesTait> I think for my purposes I can just ignore the z component.
[09:32] <DanChapman> popey, Good Morning just upgraded to utopic this morning and seems the WebKit message view is well....... black! :-( http://people.ubuntu.com/~dpniel/img/webkit_utopic.png
[09:32] <popey> erk
[09:34] <popey> DanChapman: wonder if it's a qt5.3 thing?
[09:36] <DanChapman> popey: yeah I was thinking the same, I'll see if dropping back to Qt 5.2 resolves it. I presume that would be an upstream bug?
[09:37] <popey> possibly, but worth filing on our build
[09:37] <popey> in case we messed it up
[10:27] <JamesTait> popey, the script you use to query Click Index, retrieve packages, install and run them - is that available somewhere?
[10:30] <popey> JamesTait: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7673849/
[10:30] <popey>  /home/alan/bin/get-all-clicks.py --credentials-file /home/alan/bin/certfile $TARGET
[10:30] <popey> thats what i run
[10:30] <JamesTait> popey, you are a star, thank you. :)
[10:30] <popey> np
[10:31] <JamesTait> popey, you and Rob Schroll are the only two non-app-scope users of the Index that I know about, and I'm trying to make sure I don't break it for you with our latest changes. :)
[10:32] <popey> heh
[10:32] <popey> good man!
[10:36] <t1mp> DanChapman: oh I got some black stuff (inside popovers, even some buttons) with qt53 inside a vm
[10:36] <t1mp> DanChapman: do you use a vm, or is this qt53 on ubuntu directly on your hardware?
[10:38] <DanChapman> timp i'm running directly on my hardware, it seems to be only the webview displaying black, I just checked all the popovers etc and they seem fine
[10:39] <DanChapman> t1mp: ^^
[10:40] <t1mp> hmm, interesting. I was suspecting everything that uses shaders broke for me
[11:11] <DanChapman> t1mp, popey seems setting WebView.experimental.transparentBackground is cause of the black screen.
[11:13] <mihir> popey: ping !!
[11:13] <mihir> popey:  i have merged changes, could you check !!
[11:16] <popey> ooh
[11:18] <popey> mihir: which one?
[11:19] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/1297739/+merge/221109 ?
[11:19] <mihir> popey: sorry forgot to pass MR, https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/1297739/+merge/221109
[11:19] <mihir> Yup
[11:19]  * popey looks
[11:26] <popey> mihir: thanks, left a comment
[11:28] <mihir> popey: saw that, i need will need to speak to renato in this case
[11:28] <mihir> even i have observerd this scenario.
[13:58] <DanChapman> popey i forgot to ask when is listview pull-to-refresh due to land, I have a patch to review from gcollurra which implements it but i'd rather wait for it in the SDK if it's soon
[13:58] <popey> t1mp: ^
[14:00] <t1mp> DanChapman, popey the MR is here https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/pullToRefresh/+merge/219090
[14:00] <t1mp> it is not much work any more, but there are still some things that zsombi wants to change (or maybe he changed but didn't push his branch)
[14:01] <t1mp> he is off today, I'll ask him Monday
[14:01] <popey> thanks
[14:01] <t1mp> if all goes well, we land it next week
[14:02] <DanChapman> t1mp: thanks
[14:03] <t1mp> DanChapman: remind zsombi next week to hurry up :)
[14:03] <daker> dholbach: yo, when the meeting will be held ?
[14:04] <dholbach> daker, yo yo yo - at 15 UTC - in an hour
[14:04] <daker> dholbach: ok thanks
[14:04] <dholbach> :)
[14:04] <dholbach> de rien, mon ami
[14:15] <AskUbuntu> Please Help - Ubuntu Erased Windows File Structure | http://askubuntu.com/q/485968
[17:19] <RobertofOrange> Hello
[18:02] <gerlowskija> RobertofOrange: Hello?
[18:13] <autoboxu> Hi
[18:16] <autoboxu> hello
[20:19] <Guest71427> Hi, I have a problem with trying my apps on my nexus 7 - when I click devices in the Ubuntu sdk and open log, it says "Developer tools not installed", How can I install that?
[20:22] <ahayzen_> balloons, ping
[20:22] <balloons> ahayzen_, pong
[20:22] <t1mp> Guest71427: on your computer you need to apt-get install ubuntu-sdk
[20:22] <ahayzen_> balloons, any idea what is going on here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1332570
[20:22] <balloons> Guest71427, ohh t1mp beat me :-)
[20:22] <balloons> Guest71427, also install phablet-tools
[20:23] <Guest71427> I'm running the ubuntu sdk now
[20:23] <ahayzen_> balloons, has Qt5.3 broken something in the test or is it just a flaky test?
[20:24] <t1mp> Guest71427: under devices, on the "device" tab, there is an option near the bottom that says "has developer mode enabled"
[20:24] <ahayzen_> balloons, i ran it locally on my device and it was fine...i'll run again to double check
[20:24] <t1mp> Guest71427: for me that's on.. I guess you can click the switch to install it?
[20:24] <Guest71427> it is ticked on
[20:24] <Guest71427> But phablet-tools wasnt installed - installing it now
[20:24] <t1mp> Guest71427: /whois Guest71427
[20:24] <t1mp> oops :)
[20:25] <t1mp> Guest71427: I have a "device kit" listed as installed at the bottom of that page..
[20:26] <t1mp> zbenjamin and bzoltan1 would be the experts for this, but it is already late in the evening for them. You can ask them on Monday
[20:26] <Guest71427> I hava a create buttpn, but it dosent work, my device freezes so I have to wipe it
[20:27] <t1mp> Guest71427: I usually run phablet-config writable-image && phablet-click-test-setup to configure the device
[20:28] <ahayzen_> balloons, and that test passed again on my device
[20:28] <balloons> ahayzen_, ohh you are back
[20:28] <balloons> ahayzen_, so vthompson left a comment on his thoughts
[20:28] <balloons> I'll assume he is correct, I left a comment also
[20:28] <ahayzen_> balloons, think that was my ghost from earlier that disappeared
[20:29] <balloons> ahayzen_, ahh :-)
[20:29] <ahayzen_> balloons, hah and proposed and branch ...
[20:29] <balloons> ahayzen_, hah! he's quick!
[20:29] <ahayzen_> :) i did ping him earlier to take a look
[20:30] <ahayzen_> balloons, he is fixing by removing the check that it is playing?
[20:31] <balloons> ahayzen_, yea, seems interesting
[20:31] <ahayzen_> balloons, could we not just seek to near the start of the track? instead of dropping the check that it is playing
[20:33] <balloons> ahayzen_, I'm looking at another test atm, so I'll have to save comments till I look closer. But odds are there is a better way
[20:33] <balloons> it's worth discussing
[20:33] <ahayzen_> balloons, he is suggesting to just drop checking the play status as we check in other places (and have other tests to check this) ... so tht would just resolve it for now?
[20:34] <t1mp> emiram: 22:27:52 < t1mp> Guest71427: I usually run phablet-config writable-image && phablet-click-test-setup to configure the device
[20:34] <t1mp> emiram: dunno if that works for you
[20:35]  * t1mp off
[20:35] <balloons> ahayzen_, play status is not a critical piece of the test so sure, it's reasonable to not assert about it
[20:36] <ahayzen_> balloons, yeah agreed ... Victor suggests... ' one thing we could do is wait 5 second hit previous and then pause and hit previous to actually go back'
[20:37] <ahayzen_> balloons, anyway ur busy at the moment i'll discuss with victor and come up with something
[20:37] <balloons> ahayzen_, I'll review it if needed. But yea, I think you've got it
[20:38] <ahayzen_> balloons, cool thanks
[20:38] <balloons> if you can simplify the test, do it.
[20:38] <balloons> test only what you are after and nothing more
[20:38] <emiram> t1mp: when it is in the bootloader?
[21:08] <ahayzen_> balloons, we plan to have two tests to test the previous functionality ... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7676761/ ... test1 is what victor's branch is now and should fix the issue of that test...do you want/need to approve as it is a small change (exactly as it was earlier)
[21:11] <balloons> ahayzen_, so that's interesting
[21:11]  * ahayzen_ has probably written horrible test plans
[21:11] <balloons> for test 2 would you select next again?
[21:12] <balloons> lol.. I'm just wondering what
[21:12] <balloons> alright, let's have a look at th etests
[21:12] <ahayzen_> balloons, no ... if the track has been playing for more than 5 seconds then if you hit previous in the app it jumps to the start of the song (not going to previous)
[21:13]  * balloons is looking
[21:13] <balloons> ahayzen_, ahh..
[21:13] <balloons> lol, I missed that in test 2
[21:13] <balloons> wow
[21:14] <ahayzen_> balloons, we'll do test2 in a future branch :)
[21:14] <ahayzen_> balloons, ah :)
[21:15] <balloons> ahayzen_, ok, so looking at this, if you just remove the asserts.. that seems odd
[21:16] <ahayzen_> balloons, we think that checking the isPlaying is causing a large enough delay for it to pass 5 seconds and therefore when you hit previous it is performing the wrong behaviour
[21:16] <ahayzen_> balloons, but we could be wrong ;)
[21:16] <balloons> ahayzen_, glad you are here, hah
[21:16] <balloons> I was so slow in realizing what was going on
[21:16] <balloons> it's the trouble with jumping between things
[21:16] <balloons> ok, I'm on the same page ow
[21:17] <balloons> the issue is behavoir changes depending on how far the song is
[21:17] <ahayzen_> balloons, yep
[21:17] <balloons> so I agree, I would use seek, certainly
[21:17] <ahayzen_> balloons, so hitting next then straight away hitting pause should be enough? (taking out the check of isPlaying inbetween)
[21:17] <balloons> ahayzen_, I don't like that solution as much
[21:18] <balloons> in general you highlighted the problem that you are really wanting to check behavoir depending on time passed
[21:18] <ahayzen_> balloons, ok...i'll see if we can seek...
[21:18] <balloons> ahayzen_, I mean if you just assume it's playing and it doesn't queue the test could still fail
[21:19] <balloons> I guess the goal is to make sure you understand what's happening if it fails. and that a failure is a sign of a real breakage
[21:19] <ahayzen_> balloons, yep ...that is what made us decide to split the tests...but i agree the seeking could be better
[21:20] <balloons> ahayzen_, I also like the idea of both tests.. seems sane
[21:20]  * popey dreams of music_app tests with new songs
[21:20] <ahayzen_> yeah
[21:20] <balloons> haha popey.. I have a selection I'd like to add
[21:20] <ahayzen_> popey, are these lullaby's ?
[21:20] <popey> anything
[21:20] <popey> literally _anything_ would be better
[21:21] <ahayzen_> i think we should just have tracks with a single tone at different freqs ... but tht is just my opinion :P
[21:21]  * ahayzen_ needs to do investigation of how other apps test the multiple different audio formats anyway
[21:22] <balloons> I wonder if sharelike with attribution is ok.. I suppose public domain music is best
[21:30]  * balloons answers his question.. cc with attribution seems like a no
[21:51] <bluezone> Guys... i'm having this wierd issue where my postinst script modifies a configuration file in /etc/ and saves it (with python). The program doesn't end up working, and to fix it all i have to do is open the config file with nano, CHANGE NOTHING, and save it... and then is starts working...
[21:52] <bluezone> i'm thinking there is something maybe with the uid of the postinst scrip that it doesn't like? but i am not very experienced with this uid stuff
[21:58]  * ahayzen returns from networking issues...
[21:58] <ahayzen> balloons, Victor has proposed a seek to 0 solution :) https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/fix-1332570-test_next_previous/+merge/223985
[22:20] <bluezone> what does this mean exactly E: sshtunnel: wrong-file-owner-uid-or-gid opt/ 1000/1000
[22:20] <bluezone> happens when i try to install the package with ubuntu software center (warning message)
[22:21] <bluezone> http://bpaste.net/show/Si5DII7KZVaMIBGJk7AB/
[22:37] <bluezone> i love how these problems appear at random -.-
[23:56] <bluezone> nevermind guys
[23:56] <bluezone> i'm assuming it's irrelevant... dpkg -i sshtunnel.deb works fine