[04:15] <TheMuso> Laney: Is there plans to add a terminal to ubuntu-desktop-next, or is there already one there that I don't know about?
[04:15] <TheMuso> Laney: Other than the VTs of course.
[05:04] <pitti> Good morning
[06:04] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: Moin!
[06:04] <pitti> hey Sweet5hark1, wie gehts?
[06:05] <Sweet5hark1> great, last day before vacation. ;)
[06:06] <didrocks> hey Sweet5hark1, pitti!
[06:07] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:08]  * pitti toddles off to catch his train back home
[06:08] <Sweet5hark1> though there is one thing weird right now, and I dont understand that: I just wanted to verify the libreoffice 4.2.4-0ubuntu2 package as is in proposed, so I enabled proposed on a trusty VM and I get all the nice new packages -- _except_ the libreoffice metapackage.
[06:09] <Sweet5hark1> The package looks fine on LP and when I download the metapackage manually from the web UI it installs without a problem.
[06:09] <Sweet5hark1> pitti, didrocks: any idea how that can be?
[06:12] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: what does "apt-cache policy" say for a binary package of that metapackage?
[06:13]  * pitti has to leave, bbl
[06:14] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: see ya
[06:16] <didrocks> see you pitti
[06:16] <didrocks> Sweet5hark1: let me have a look
[06:16] <Sweet5hark1> doh
[06:16] <Sweet5hark1> didrocks: I found the reason. Stupid me of course ;)
[06:16] <didrocks> (but yeah, do the apt-cache policy trick)
[06:16] <didrocks> ;)
[06:17] <didrocks> what was it?
[06:18] <Sweet5hark1> didrocks: I keep forgetting that some of the binary packages are in universe only -- and I only added -proposed for main. So I had ~all the fancy new libreoffice packages, except for the two or three that are not in main _including_ the libreoffice metapackage.
[06:18] <didrocks> ahah ;)
[06:18] <didrocks> so yeah
[06:59] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: ah, hah!
[07:00] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: ;)
[07:01] <BigWhale> Good Mroning everyone.
[07:01] <BigWhale> also, good morning!
[07:10] <didrocks> morning BigWhale
[07:43] <Sweet5hark1> cd saucy-source && the funky bunch
[08:03] <seb128> good morning desktopers, happy friday!
[08:04] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:04] <Laney> hey hey
[08:04] <Laney> happy friday!
[08:05] <didrocks> morning Laney
[08:05] <Laney> TheMuso: I guess when we get clicks we can add the terminal-app there
[08:05] <Laney> hey didrocks
[08:05] <Laney> how goes?
[08:05] <didrocks> I'm great, thanks! Yourself?
[08:06] <Laney> doing good
[08:06] <seb128> hey Laney didrocks
[08:06] <Laney> it looks sunny
[08:06] <seb128> how was climbing?
[08:06] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:06] <Laney> quite nice, managed to get a new competition route
[08:06] <Laney> then back to watch something on tv, can't quite remember what it was though
[08:06] <seb128> hehe
[08:07] <seb128> football? your team was playing
[08:07] <Laney> nope, doesn't ring any bells...
[08:07]  * Laney whistles
[08:07] <seb128> lol
[08:12] <larsu> haha
[08:12]  * larsu is happy that he gets the reference
[08:12] <Laney> :)
[08:12]  * larsu read the news
[08:13] <larsu> also the game was running on a tv at the restaurant we ate at yesterday - but I didn't keep track of the score
[08:15] <seb128> larsu, that game didn't happen apparently, if anyone mention it, just look in the other direction and whistle
[08:16]  * larsu looks in the other direction and whistles
[08:16] <seb128> ;-)
[08:16]  * Laney creates a distraction
[08:16] <Laney> hey
[08:16] <Laney> so GtkHeaderBar is cool, right?
[08:16] <seb128> lol
[08:17] <seb128> oh, new vala is in utopic
[08:17] <larsu> Laney: cool?
[08:17] <seb128> let's see if indicator-keyboard is happier
[08:17] <seb128> larsu, let's not start troll friday yet
[08:17] <Laney> haha
[08:17] <seb128> ;-)
[08:18] <Laney> new qt got in too
[08:18] <larsu> it did?
[08:19] <seb128> yes
[08:19] <seb128> 5.3 is in utopic
[08:19] <seb128> let's see if gsettings-qt still works
[08:20] <larsu> haha, that's what I was thinking about as well
[08:20]  * larsu tries
[08:20] <larsu> apt-cache policy libqt<tab><tab>
[08:21] <larsu> Display all 205 possibilities? (y or n)
[08:21] <larsu> that's a lot of libs…
[08:21] <seb128> yeah
[08:21] <seb128> libqt5core5a
[08:21] <seb128> is the qt one
[08:22] <seb128> if that's what you are after
[08:22] <didrocks> pay attention that you will be on the very edge, it migrated some hours ago :)
[08:27] <larsu> where's the difference between the 5a and the 5 one?
[08:27] <larsu> 5a is on 5.2.1, 5 on 5.02
[08:27] <larsu> 5.0.2
[08:27] <didrocks> larsu: ABI breakage in 5.2
[08:27] <larsu> ugh
[08:27] <didrocks> on armhf
[08:27] <larsu> didrocks: thanks
[08:28] <didrocks> yw ;)
[08:28]  * larsu waits to get the new one 
[08:28] <didrocks> that's why the 5.2 transition was "hard"
[08:28] <didrocks> larsu: you shouldn't have libqt5core5 anymore
[08:28] <seb128> larsu, you should have it available ... or are you on a mirror?
[08:28] <larsu> no
[08:28] <larsu> didrocks: I do, though
[08:29] <larsu> oh wait, local
[08:29] <didrocks> larsu: apt-cache policy ?
[08:29]  * larsu removes
[08:29] <didrocks> ok
[08:29] <larsu> I wonder where that comes from...
[08:29] <larsu> clean-up-your-system-Friday
[08:29] <didrocks> well, if you used the sdk ppa, they did some packaging errors
[08:29] <didrocks> on the 5.2 transition
[08:29] <didrocks> and forgot some conflicts that I added later on when I reviewed that for the archive
[08:30] <didrocks> and the conflicts version was cleaned up to not take care about people using "on the edge"
[08:30] <didrocks> (as the version was wrong as well there :/)
[08:32] <seb128> ok, clean up indeed
[08:32]  * seb128 cleans 882M of old kernels
[08:32] <seb128> one day we are going to clean those automatically for users rather than letting them stack...
[08:32] <larsu> is that the reason why I still have the 5.0 package in /var/lib/dpkg/status?
[08:32] <Laney> doesn't u-m run autoremove?
[08:34] <seb128> Laney, well, for some reasons those don't get marked for autoremoval here ... and I don't think it does, but I might be wrong
[08:34] <Laney> they're meant to
[08:34] <Laney> that was a slangasek thing
[08:34] <didrocks> yeah, they are for me
[08:34] <larsu> ah, new qt5 after upgrade - seems like my update this morning was too early :)
[08:34] <didrocks> larsu: right, seems the transition wasn't fully handled/right
[08:34] <didrocks> larsu: see the phone ML
[08:35] <didrocks> rsalveti had to rebuild qtbase to unblock that
[08:37] <Laney> the symbols file was a bit wrong
[08:38] <didrocks> yeah, I wonder how that built in the silo…
[08:39] <Laney> it did build
[08:39] <Laney> just made things have wrong deps
[08:39]  * Laney removes oxideqt-dbg, gains nearly 2G!
[08:40] <didrocks> oh, it wasn't a FTBFS issue, just a version in the symbols (I didn't look at the change)
[08:41] <Laney> it made depends on something-gles on arches where that didn't exist
[08:41] <Laney> to which britney said NOPE
[08:41] <didrocks> making sense
[08:42]  * larsu mucks around with qml import paths again
[08:42] <larsu> that shit never works for me :/
[08:42] <tkamppeter> seb128, hi
[08:42] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[08:43] <larsu> first problem: qt 5.3 seems to break the example in gsettings-qt
[08:43] <seb128> shrug
[08:46] <didrocks> larsu: maybe try other apps to see if everything is failing or not for you?
[08:46] <larsu> okay, seems to work otherwise
[08:46] <didrocks> we do have apps or unity8 using gesttings-qt I think… they would have catched it if it would break it badly
[08:48] <larsu> didrocks: the example breaks with an error unrelated to gsettings (which seem to work fine from quick testing)
[08:49] <tkamppeter> seb128, it was about the libspectre SRU. but now I have seen, it is all OK.
[08:50] <seb128> tkamppeter, ok, great
[09:09] <seb128> Laney, stephaneverdy got desktop-next to work on vmware workstation using "mks.gl.allowBlacklistedDrivers = "TRUE"" in his config
[09:09] <Laney> I tried that
[09:09] <Laney> with that vmware was hanging my session
[09:10] <Laney> possibly a nouveau problem
[09:11] <seb128> could be yes
[09:11] <seb128> it's working for him it seems
[09:11] <Laney> nice
[09:39]  * didrocks is quite happy with this commit and the way to test it: https://github.com/didrocks/ubuntu-developer-tools-center/commit/ac194cb812cb76ea6af417efefc55fc1375a7de1 :)
[09:50] <seb128> didrocks, ;-)
[09:59] <larsu> didrocks: woah, nice test:code ratio
[10:07] <xnox> didrocks: very nice =)
[10:07] <xnox> i'm yet to be in possition to use concurrent.futures =)
[11:00] <Sweet5hark> seb128: oh, forgot that one: 4.2.5 released today (a minute ago or so) and the build (4.2.5~rc2) is already in the ppas too.
[11:04] <seb128> Sweet5hark, great, rc2 and release are identical I guess?
[11:22] <didrocks> xnox: it's quite easy, the only puzzling stuff is that the "done" callback is by default on its own thread (in the main process)
[11:22] <didrocks> hence this helper, as I install a main loop, to ensure I can have my callback executed where I want to :)
[11:24] <didrocks> seb128: would you have any idea of python3-gi on precise? I don't understand the failure on https://travis-ci.org/didrocks/ubuntu-developer-tools-center/builds/28028326
[11:24] <didrocks> ImportError: No module named 'gi'
[11:24] <didrocks> Unpacking python3-gi (from .../python3-gi_3.2.2-1~precise_amd64.deb) ...
[11:24] <didrocks> so, the apt-get install worked
[11:25] <didrocks> if you don't have any idea off hands, I'll just setup a precise vm
[11:25] <seb128> didrocks, you use python3.4, did we build for that version in precise?
[11:25] <didrocks> ah, good one
[11:26] <didrocks> that or the virtualenv doesn't use system libs
[11:26] <didrocks> (which is unfortunately quite needed as pygi isn't in pypi)
[11:29] <didrocks> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22748528/travis-ci-gobject-introspection
[11:33] <didrocks> ah, there is an option in travis to set using the system libs
[11:33]  * didrocks tries
[11:37] <didrocks> yeah, doesn't work… need to compile pygi I guess in the virtualenv
[11:38] <xnox> didrocks: you can rebuild it once in a ppa or some such, and add ppa as a dep to your travis job.
[11:38] <didrocks> xnox: I've done that for apt, not sure it's python3-gi itself which is broken or something else, but I can give it a try…
[11:59] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yep, rc2=final
[12:05]  * Laney lunch (going to town to buy a last minute birthday card), biab
[12:52] <seb128> didrocks, hey, maybe you can help, there is no CI lander around, how does one reconfigure a silo to drop a component? ogra_ is trying to do that
[12:52] <ogra_> seb128, looks like i get it sorted
[12:52] <didrocks> not sure ogra has the creds to do it, but I can
[12:52] <seb128> great
[12:52] <didrocks> ok, good then :)
[12:53] <ogra_> seems i only need a watch build anyway
[12:53] <ogra_> (if that doesnt work i'll come back and nag you)
[12:53] <didrocks> ok, please do :)
[12:54]  * didrocks will wait for Travis to support trusty
[12:54] <didrocks> enough time spent on this pygobject not in virtualenv :p
[13:13] <jdstrand> bregma: hey, fyi bug #1332529
[13:14] <Laney> didrocks: AIUI core-dev got all permissions recently
[13:14] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, we discussed that with seb128, I checked that they did it the right way as well :)
[13:14] <seb128> Laney, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro/trunk/revision/606 is what didrocks pointed at for reference
[13:14] <Laney> so I think that peopleshould have the permission to reconfigure?
[13:15] <seb128> that's where the change was made
[13:15] <Laney> oh is that just for assigning?
[13:16] <seb128> we already had permissions to reconfigure before
[13:16] <seb128> that change added permissions to assign
[13:16] <seb128> which was the restricted action
[13:16] <Laney> ah
[13:17] <xnox> seb128: hm, so core-dev can assign silos now?
[13:17] <seb128> xnox, yes
[13:17] <xnox> seb128: cool.
[13:17] <seb128> well, they have the acl
[13:17] <seb128> not sure it's socially accepted
[13:17] <xnox> seb128: and are there any docs about citrain somewhere?
[13:17] <seb128> one reason they organized things with that way was to have some people handling assignments according to available resources and current status of the image
[13:18] <seb128> not that I know
[13:19] <ogra_> didrocks, so it didnt work out ...
[13:19] <didrocks> ogra_: so, what are you trying to do?
[13:19] <didrocks> (just tell me your use case)
[13:19] <ogra_> didrocks, i tried to remove ubuntu-touch-session from silo 12
[13:20] <didrocks> remove == the package or from the spreadsheet?
[13:20] <didrocks> (package in ppa)
[13:20] <ogra_> didrocks, i removed the branch from the spreadsheet and did reconfigure ... i also deleted the package from the PPA ...
[13:20] <didrocks> you shouldn't need to delete the package from the PPA, it does it for you, when you reconfigure
[13:20] <ogra_> and then did a watch rebuild
[13:20] <ogra_> it still thinks the ubuntu-touch-session package should be there though
[13:21] <didrocks> ogra_: do you have the line and the reconfigure your launched?
[13:21] <ogra_> i only used the UI
[13:21] <ogra_> no "lines" involved
[13:21] <didrocks> ogra_: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-012-0-reconfigure/
[13:21] <didrocks> seems reconfigure failed
[13:21] <didrocks> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-012-0-reconfigure/6/console
[13:22] <ogra_> rather seems it didnt even start
[13:22] <didrocks> ERROR:root:unity-system-compositor was not in the initial list of components for that silo. You can't reconfigure the silo yourself. Please ask the landing team to reconfigure it for you.
[13:22] <ogra_> ah
[13:22] <didrocks> but the reconfigure was by stéphane
[13:22] <ogra_> right
[13:22] <didrocks> did you really run it?
[13:22] <ogra_> thats not mine
[13:22] <didrocks> seems you didn't ;)
[13:22] <seb128> sometime you need to click twice
[13:22] <ogra_> well, i clicked the build button
[13:22] <seb128> on first click jenkins does auth
[13:22] <seb128> and reload
[13:22] <didrocks> yep
[13:22] <seb128> without doing the action
[13:22] <ogra_> oh
[13:22] <ogra_> let me try that then
[13:23] <seb128> well, once should be enough now
[13:23] <seb128> watch the jobs on the left
[13:23] <didrocks> issues with the sso plugin, RT opened for 2 months now
[13:23] <seb128> you should have one active
[13:23] <ogra_> hah
[13:23] <ogra_> yeah, now it started
[13:23] <seb128> it worked
[13:23] <ogra_> yeah
[13:23] <didrocks> INFO:root:Removing ubuntu-touch-session from ppa and configuration
[13:23] <didrocks> see :)
[13:23] <ogra_> it should say "click twice" at the top or some such :P
[13:23] <didrocks> it's telling you everything!
[13:23] <didrocks> (it would have removed the package from the PPA if it was still around)
[13:24] <ogra_> so i guess i need another watch build now ?
[13:24] <didrocks> just do a watch only build
[13:24] <didrocks> yep
[13:24] <ogra_> k
[13:24] <ogra_> didrocks, thanks
[13:24] <didrocks> yw ogra_ ;)
[13:24]  * ogra_ will cheer for france tonight ... as reward for all the french help today :) 
[13:25] <seb128> ;-)
[13:25] <didrocks> ogra_: well, not sure that football as any impact on me, but well :p
[13:25] <ogra_> haha
[13:25] <seb128> didrocks wishes they would loose, less noisy people outside ;-)
[13:25] <didrocks> that's not untrue :)
[13:25] <ogra_> haha
[14:41] <seb128> Laney, xnox, mterry: you upstart masters, I need help figuring why unity8-mir is stop/waiting in upstart since today's updates
[14:41] <seb128> do you know how to debug such things?
[14:41] <mterry> uh oh
[14:41] <seb128> if I start it manually it runs fine
[14:41] <seb128> that's desktop session, and I don't have ubuntu-touch-session installed
[14:42] <mterry> seb128, what are the start on conditions?
[14:42] <seb128> mterry, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7674947/
[14:42] <seb128> start on xsession SESSION=unity8-mir and started dbus
[14:43] <seb128> that's quite limited, not sure why that wouldn't be valid
[14:43] <Laney> is dbus started?
[14:43] <xnox> seb128: what's the status on dbus, and can you check/know if xsession event was ever emitted?
[14:43] <ogra_> wow, that differs quite a bit from what we have on the phone
[14:43] <seb128> dbus is start/running process 1776
[14:43] <xnox> seb128: the latter can be check with e.g. edding a job which does: start on xsession \n exec env
[14:43] <Laney> try emitting the event manually
[14:43] <xnox> s/edding/adding/
[14:43] <seb128> which one? the xsession one?
[14:44] <Laney> yeah
[14:44] <ogra_> why didnt you just add the extra "xsession SESSION=unity8-mir" to upstream ?
[14:44] <ogra_> start on ((xsession SESSION=ubuntu-touch) or (xsession SESSION=ubuntu-touch-surfaceflinger)) and started dbus
[14:44] <Laney> that comes from bregma's desktop-session package
[14:44] <Laney> don't know how it came about
[14:44] <ogra_> you could just replace the surfaceflinger stuff
[14:44] <seb128> hum
[14:45] <seb128> "initctl emit xsession SESSION=unity8-mir" ... is that correct syntax?
[14:45] <seb128> that command "hangs"
[14:45] <seb128> should it return?
[14:46] <ogra_> you probably want to "initctl set-env SESSION=unity8-mir" and then "initctl emit xsession"
[14:46] <Laney> why?
[14:46] <Laney> the hanging is because something else is trying to start on that condition
[14:46] <Laney> afaik
[14:46] <ogra_> dunno if the var is handled the was that seb used it above
[14:46] <seb128> and failing?
[14:47] <ogra_> s/was/way/
[14:48] <Laney> it is, that's how the job does it
[14:49] <ogra_> k
[14:50] <Laney> seb128: edit /etc/X11/Xsession.d and change STARTUP to add --verbose at the end
[14:50] <Laney> then 99x11-common_start to exec $STARTUP >> $HOME/upstart.log or something
[15:00] <seb128> Laney, xnox: .xsession-errors has "init: process xsession-init pre-start (4464) exit with status 1"
[15:00] <seb128> (that's translated so wording might not be exact)
[15:02] <Laney> oh god wait iwath oaiwhtaoih
[15:02] <seb128> Laney, I bet it doesn't like  [ "$SESSIONTYPE" = "gnome-session" ]
[15:02] <seb128> if SESSIONTYPE is empty
[15:03]  * seb128 random guess
[15:04] <xnox> seb128: *sigh*
[15:04] <seb128> deleting that line makes it work
[15:04] <Laney> this is heinous
[15:04] <seb128> Lannneeeeeeyyy
[15:04] <xnox> seb128: so we emit an empty var and that is fine with upstart. *sigh*
[15:05] <Laney> it's not because it's empty
[15:05] <seb128> but it's that line
[15:05] <seb128> deleting it makes the session start
[15:05] <Laney> yes I know
[15:05] <Laney> it works if you invert the test too
[15:05] <Laney> make it != and ||
[15:06]  * seb128 hates scripts
[15:06] <Laney> needs an || true
[15:06] <Laney> otherwise set -e fails the script
[15:07] <seb128> or proper if [ ] ... then
[15:07] <seb128> rather than [] && magic :p
[15:07] <didrocks> the proper if won't help for that matters :)
[15:07] <Laney> xnox: want to fix it directly?
[15:08]  * didrocks is a lover of [] && magic ;)
[15:08] <didrocks> even [] && magic || magic2 ;)
[15:08] <Laney> heheh
[15:08] <didrocks> just to annoy seb128 :p
[15:08] <xnox> Laney: i love != || better, but [] && shouldn't fail on set -e
[15:08]  * xnox checks what we uploaded.
[15:08] <Laney> false && anything = false
[15:09] <xnox> right, hence a bad return code. *sigh*
[15:09] <seb128> xnox, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/178043745/upstart_1.12.1-0ubuntu8_1.12.1-0ubuntu9.diff.gz
[15:09] <Laney> laney@raleigh> ( [ 0 = 1 ] && true ) || echo "YOU FAIL"                                                                                    ~
[15:09] <Laney> YOU FAIL
[15:09] <Laney> it's that
[15:09] <xnox> yeap, nice hostname by the way.
[15:09] <xnox> Laney: i'll go with != || combo
[15:09] <Laney> okay
[15:09] <seb128> didrocks, if then always helps :p
[15:10] <Laney> the hostname scheme is university of nottingham student accommodation
[15:10]  * Laney has raleigh cripps sherwood
[15:10] <xnox> Laney: very meta, cause i bet they have accomodation nameing scheme as well.
[15:10] <Laney> those three are 'nottingham things or rich guys that have donated a lot of money to the university'
[15:11] <desrt> does anyone know how to convince qemu to let me do smp with arm?
[15:11] <desrt> it seems that the 'versatile' kernel doesn't support any boards that have SMP available in qemu
[15:12] <desrt> (ie: some versatile boards have smp as supported in qemu, but then the kernel refuses to boot)
[15:13] <seb128> desrt, you might have better changes to get a reply on that topic on #ubuntu-devel
[15:13] <seb128> chances
[16:25] <seb128> Laney, xnox: is one of you going to upload a fixed upstart?
[16:26] <Laney> xnox said he would do it
[16:26] <Laney> or at least implied that
[16:26] <seb128> I've the feeling he's going to say he though you would do it
[16:26] <Laney> 20/06 16:09:50 <xnox> Laney: i'll go with != || combo
[16:27] <Laney> that line made me think this
[16:28] <seb128> makes sense
[16:29] <seb128> let's wait for him to pong
[16:31] <xnox> seb128: i will upload it.
[16:32] <xnox> seb128: just got side-tracked into upgrading my unity8-mir laptop to play around with it.
[16:32] <xnox> I mean test it =)
[16:32] <Laney> just HAD to test the flappy bird click app
[16:33] <Laney> you're a good QA guy
[16:33] <xnox> Laney: we have flappy bird game in the store?!
[16:33] <xnox> THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
[16:33] <Laney> webapp
[16:33] <xnox> Laney: you don't know what you have done.
[16:34] <Laney> we might have tried this at the sprint for a while
[16:34] <Laney> when enabling click on desktop ...
[16:34] <xnox> lolz
[16:42] <mdeslaur> seb128: you don't care about virt-manager, right?
[16:42] <mdeslaur> seb128: re: bug 1332618
[16:46] <seb128> mdeslaur, no I don't ;-)
[16:46] <seb128> it's creating menu issue and stuff, can we just drop it? :p
[16:46] <mdeslaur> seb128: it's in the supported-desktop-extra seed, could you please +1 the bug?&
[16:47] <mdeslaur> seb128: hey :)
[16:47] <seb128> mdeslaur, done
[16:47] <mdeslaur> seb128: we can drop it if I don't need to test security updates anymore :)
[16:47] <mdeslaur> seb128: thanks
[16:47] <seb128> yw!
[16:49] <Laney> kind of a shame to have no supported virt gui
[16:49] <Laney> but yeah
[16:50]  * seb128 uses virtualbox
[16:50] <seb128> but yeah, in an ideal world we would have resources to support a bit of everything
[16:51] <Laney> I use virt-manager, initially because it was our supported one
[16:51] <Laney> now because it works well enough
[16:52] <Laney> doesn't have fancy resolution scaling though as far as I know, which I do miss a bit
[16:53] <seb128> does it do 3d?
[16:53] <mdeslaur> Laney: we're not dropping it, in fact putting it in universe will allow me to update to the latest version of it
[16:54] <Laney> I know
[16:55] <Laney> right got to go get a train down south
[16:55] <Laney> happy weekend!
[17:00] <seb128> Laney, thanks, same to you!
[17:00] <seb128> have fun in the south ;-)
[17:17]  * didrocks continues a little bit offline, meanwhile, good week-end everyone!