[02:24] <thedoctor> hi
[15:00] <dholbach> Hello hello hello!
[15:00]  * belkinsa is here for the meeting
[15:00] <dholbach> Do we have anyone here to talk about the LoCo team portal?
[15:00] <dholbach> let's see if the bot is back ;-)
[15:00] <dholbach> #startmeeting
[15:00] <costales> Hi dholbach :)
[15:00] <PabloRubianes> hi
[15:00] <dholbach> looks like it's not there :)
[15:01] <coolbhavi> hey guys
[15:01] <coolbhavi> :)
[15:01] <belkinsa> o/
[15:01] <balloons> o/
[15:02]  * coolbhavi  is on the run on mobile 
[15:02] <dholbach> brilliant
[15:02] <dholbach> I just pinged a few other folks and it looks like we're ready to go
[15:03] <dholbach> so at the last UOS we talked about LoCo teams and how it's sometimes hard to share information, like news, like pictures, like stuff about events, etc.
[15:03] <mhall119> is daker coming?
[15:03] <dholbach> I pinged him and he said he would be around
[15:03] <dholbach> a lot of teams have their own discussion forums, blogs and websites
[15:03] <dholbach> but it'd actually be nicer, if they could get the information out there to a lot more folks around the world
[15:04] <dholbach> like, if my team does an event and has lots of pictures and a nice writeup, it'd be great if they could show off their work easily and thus inspire others around the world :)
[15:04] <dholbach> during the session somebody brought up the picture feeds on loco.ubuntu.com
[15:04] <dholbach> let me see if I can find an example link
[15:05] <dholbach> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-mm/ for example
[15:05] <coolbhavi> dholbach, how about having a syndication like planet ubuntu?
[15:05] <dholbach> at the bottom you can see pictures from the Myanmar team
[15:05] <dholbach> coolbhavi, exactly... that was the idea which was brought up during the session too
[15:06] <dholbach> and because we felt that the discussion would probably take a bit longer, we decided to have a separate discussion about this
[15:06] <coolbhavi> hmmm and we already have a on air session with locos running on in parallel
[15:07] <dholbach> the last I remember from the session was that it'd be nice to offer some functionality in loco.u.c to allow teams to add pictures, or news stories or writeups or anything else
[15:07] <dholbach> this would be great on its own already
[15:07] <dholbach> but then it could probably be shared on Planet Ubuntu as well
[15:07] <dholbach> (and maybe syndicated elsewhere?)
[15:07] <coolbhavi> yep like a traceback
[15:08] <dholbach> Do you have any additional ideas or thoughts or concerns about this?
[15:08] <belkinsa> Yeah, since some of the active members of the LoCo's are not Ubuntu Members.  But if they had a way to post on the Portal, it would be nice, and have that synced with Planet.
[15:08] <daker> hi
[15:08] <mhall119> dholbach: coolbhavi: LTP already has the ability to aggregate rss feeds
[15:08] <belkinsa> Ubuntu Planet is what I meant/
[15:09] <dholbach> hey daker
[15:09] <balloons> +1 the feed into planet idea.. not everyone has to be a member of ubuntu; if you are a part of the loco, and they release an official writeup, I'd love to see it in my feed ;-)
[15:09] <mhall119> daker: does LTP currently export an RSS feed of news?
[15:09] <belkinsa> I guess the lack of having active LoCo's is the main problem.
[15:09] <dholbach> daker, here's some backlog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7675086/
[15:09] <belkinsa> But that's a different issue.
[15:10] <daker> mhall119: no but we can add that
[15:10] <mhall119> if we do that, I think we can add it ot the planet ubuntu syndication list
[15:10] <dholbach> belkinsa, what we talked about at UOS was that there are probably many teams who have meetups and do stuff regularly, but nobody writes about it - or they don't share info and pics
[15:10] <belkinsa> Oh duh, I forgot.
[15:10] <dholbach> belkinsa, the idea was that if we make it easier, more would talk about it and come up with new ideas together :)
[15:11] <belkinsa> Right.
[15:11] <costales> I think is a good idea :) I'm thinking that will be necesary to force the sign of the Conduct Code for those teams too
[15:11] <belkinsa> Ubuntu Ohio is already doing this.
[15:11] <costales> It'd be better for split my personal thoughts/posts from my team posts ;)
[15:11] <belkinsa> And I think that should be true for all teams.
[15:11] <mhall119> the homepage feed on LTP uses only hand-picked blogs, so we can export that to planet ubuntu and that should be enough oversight to keep inappropriate things out
[15:12] <dholbach> yeah... I think we could test the new news feed for some time before adding it to the planet
[15:12] <dholbach> just so we know it's not too much content, or too much spam, etc
[15:12] <mhall119> IIRC, we have the loco-council access to manage those feeds
[15:12] <mhall119> /have/gave/
[15:12] <dholbach> maybe we could do a monthly digest too ... or something
[15:12] <belkinsa> +1 on the handpicked blogs
[15:12] <coolbhavi> mhall119, how about team owners moderating the content?
[15:12] <costales> Just an idea: Split the planet in 2 tabs: Members | Teams. It could be interesting for split the contents (maybe :)
[15:13] <coolbhavi> and posting across
[15:13] <belkinsa> costales, I like that idea.
[15:13] <mhall119> coolbhavi: team admins can manage their team's aggregation, but the homepage uses a separate selection
[15:13] <belkinsa> But you need two RSS feeds for that.
[15:13] <mhall119> coolbhavi: basically teams can add any feed they want to their team, but then the LC can tag a feed to appear on the homepage as well
[15:13] <coolbhavi> ok got it mow seems good
[15:14] <dholbach> Or team members could write up something and team contacts/admins could approve this as content which goes out to everyone?
[15:14] <coolbhavi> dholbach, +1
[15:14] <mhall119> dholbach: that would be harder to manage
[15:14] <belkinsa> dholbach, +1, but as mhall119, I agree.
[15:14] <mhall119> doing it per-feed is easy, doing it per-post would require more work in LTP
[15:15] <dholbach> mhall119, it could just be a tag of the post?
[15:15] <mhall119> dholbach: I don't think the aggregator library we're using gives us that easily
[15:15] <dholbach> ah ok... I wasn't aware of the technical limitations, sorry
[15:16] <daker> mhall119: no teams can't add their RSS feeds rightnow, only LC can
[15:16] <dholbach> but would some copying between feeds work?
[15:16] <mhall119> daker: ok, but the data structure would allow that right? We just need to expose it by adding a couple of new pages
[15:16] <daker> mhall119: yes
[15:17] <dholbach> so all we have right now is an aggregator library? is there any blogging library installed as well? or would we expect users to blog elsewhere and we just syndicate?
[15:17] <mhall119> dholbach: for the first-round can we just use feed where the source blog uses a specific category or tag to limit it to content they want to appear on LTP?
[15:18] <mhall119> dholbach: they would blog elsewhere
[15:18] <dholbach> I'm just trying to understand where we are right now and what would easily be possible :)
[15:19] <dholbach> mhall119, daker: how would you imagine the new "share story" process to work? what would be the easiest thing we could add?
[15:20] <mhall119> dholbach: we could probably fake a feed in the aggregation data tables and have code that copies content from a source feed into that fake one
[15:21] <costales> dholbach: What about to create 1 special user for the Planet with an URL > that URL will be a RSS Feed. You will not need to change anything now (?)
[15:21] <coolbhavi> costales, like a permalink :)
[15:21] <dholbach> hum... so step 1) team adds team blog feed to LTP, 2) team member blogs on blog feed, uses special tag or category, 3) blog entry ends up in LTP aggregation feed, 4) by extension goes to planet ubuntu as well - is this right?
[15:21] <balloons> so everything would post as "Loco Teams" or something.. all feeds would show up as the same person?
[15:23] <belkinsa> dholbach, that might work but again management could be an issue.
[15:23] <mhall119> balloons: depends on how planet planet works, if it uses the author tag of the feed, we can give it the original blog's author
[15:23] <dholbach> costales, yes, that's right - the question is just "who gets to post to the blog you add to Planet?"
[15:24] <dholbach> mhall119, daker: are the steps I mentioned above how you roughly imagine it'd work?
[15:25] <mhall119> dholbach: roughly yes, doing it per-feed to start would be easiest and we can add per-post moderation from there
[15:25] <coolbhavi> dholbach, how about giving the user permissions to add other users based on request?
[15:26] <dholbach> coolbhavi, I would assume that's possible - it'd just be a question how much we open the gates to spamming or general (on-topic) flooding of Planet Ubuntu :)
[15:26] <costales> coolbhavi: Maybe a Launchpad Team with another repository feed?
[15:27] <dholbach> mhall119, earlier you mentioned some copying that takes place as part of aggregation - I assume that'd be a point where we could make changes to the posts? I was thinking of doing things like adding jump marks (read more →here←) or doing things like digests (weekly LoCo roundup or something)
[15:27] <coolbhavi> hmm thats a concern :)
[15:28] <daker> dholbach: yes
[15:28] <dholbach> brilliant
[15:28] <mhall119> dholbach: that might take a bit more work, but it's possible yes
[15:28] <dholbach> I don't think we would need this in a first iteration - I was just asking out of interest
[15:29] <mhall119> dholbach: simple aggregation and re-feeding to planet wouldn't involve copying or editing though
[15:29] <dholbach> that's right
[15:29] <dholbach> that sounds like a good first start already and I'm quite happy with what we could do in future iterations :)
[15:30] <dholbach> any more thoughts, ideas, questions, or anything else we didn't talk about yet?
[15:30] <mhall119> daker: my other thought was to generate an RSS feed for events and meetings, that would automatically be published to planet
[15:31] <belkinsa> +1
[15:31] <belkinsa> Along with blog posts.
[15:31] <dholbach> nice one
[15:31] <mhall119> so, the feed shows any events or meetings that have already happened or are happing that day (but not future ones)
[15:31] <mhall119> like an automated announcement
[15:32] <costales> +1 nice idea! mhall119
[15:32] <belkinsa> Yeah, but maybe have some time before the furture one
[15:32] <mhall119> that might encourage more teams to use LTP for those, so they get that reposted to planet
[15:32] <belkinsa> Maybe a month?
[15:32] <dholbach> why not future events/meetings?
[15:32] <mhall119> belkinsa: not too much, maybe 24 hours
[15:32] <dholbach> ah ok
[15:32] <mhall119> dholbach: what's the point in advertising your Ubuntu Hour for December in June?
[15:32] <costales> mhall119: maybe the mettings for the next 2/3 days, because the posts are in the planet 2/3 days
[15:32] <dholbach> no, not like that
[15:33] <mhall119> the feed would show "the current loco activity"
[15:33] <dholbach> you said "not future ones"
[15:33] <belkinsa> mhall119, assuming they will post a blog post about that event/meeting?
[15:33] <dholbach> that's why I thought "well, some advance notice would probably help getting others there" :-)
[15:33] <dholbach> so yeah, 24h or whatever timing we finetune it to later on
[15:33] <belkinsa> Same here.
[15:34] <mhall119> ok, fine-tuning that is easy enough
[15:34] <dholbach> yeah, sorry - that's what I meant
[15:34] <mhall119> dholbach: are you taking notes on this somewhere that we can turn into work items or bug reports?
[15:34] <ishwon> Aaah! I was having dinner & I guess I missed a lot.
[15:34] <dholbach> I took an action at UOS to turn this into a mini-spec
[15:34] <ishwon> Hi folks!
[15:34] <dholbach> I'll save the irc logs and write something up next week.
[15:35] <dholbach> Would anyone want to help turn this into a mini-spec?
[15:35] <daker> mhall119: yes we can do that
[15:35] <dholbach> Once it's done, I'd bring up the discussion on loco-contacts@ and ltp-devs@.
[15:35] <costales> Hi ishwon o/
[15:36] <mhall119> dholbach: daker: how about having a hackday on IRC where we try and get new contributors setup with an LTP development environment?  currently it's only daker working on it and he's also working on about a dozen other Ubuntu projects
[15:36] <dholbach> sure sure
[15:36] <dholbach> that was the idea behind the spec
[15:36] <dholbach> if we put it out there and blog about it, it'll be more likely that others help out
[15:36] <coolbhavi> dholbach, great thanks :) I would be glad to help for a mini spec here btw
[15:36] <dholbach> having a hackday accompanying that sounds great
[15:36] <daker> mhall119: hm this reminds me that i didn't get a reponse about RT ticket from IS
[15:36] <dholbach> thanks coolbhavi
[15:37] <ishwon> Scrolling through the chat log ( :
[15:37] <mhall119> daker: RT for what?
[15:38] <daker> mhall119: i released a new LTP version with some fixes last Saturday
[15:38] <mhall119> ah, ok
[15:39] <mhall119> daker: they had a DC outage over the weekend, so it may have been lost or forgotten in the mayhem
[15:39] <PabloRubianes> daker: I made a bug on the LTP and a possible fix but maybe got unnoticed
[15:39] <daker> mhall119: i'll ask later
[15:39] <dholbach> does anyone else have any more ideas/questions/concerns/anything else on the topic? if not Bhavani and I (anyone else?) will digest the irc logs and massage them into a mini-spec and bring it up for discussion on the lists again.
[15:40] <dholbach> ... and we can discuss it some more at that time. :)
[15:40] <coolbhavi> good with it here
[15:40] <coolbhavi> :)
[15:40] <mhall119> dholbach: do you think we need to ask permission before adding the LTP feeds to the planet aggregation?
[15:40] <mhall119> or, since we're Ubuntu Members, can we JFDI?
[15:41] <dholbach> mhall119, I think we should discuss it with the Community Council and maybe have a brief history of content to look back to.
[15:41] <mhall119> ok
[15:41] <dholbach> I could imagine that it'd be a very short discussion as it's going to very much on-topic. :)
[15:41] <mhall119> ok
[15:42] <dholbach> Brilliant! Thanks a lot everyone! I'm very much looking forward to reading more from teams around the world! :-D
[15:42] <belkinsa> Thanks for the meeting, dholbach!
[15:42] <coolbhavi> dholbach, ll bring up a small wiki page reg ideas and get in touch with you on weekend :)
[15:42] <coolbhavi> thanks btw
[15:42] <dholbach> coolbhavi, brilliant
[15:42] <mhall119> thanks daker for your continued work on LTP
[15:42] <dholbach> yeah, daker - you're a hero!
[15:42] <daker> mhall119: dholbach yw :)
[15:43] <dholbach> thanks a lot to all the other heroines and heroes in here as well :)
[15:43] <belkinsa> \o/
[15:43] <coolbhavi> :)
[15:43] <daker> PabloRubianes: i saw it, i'll review it during the w-e
[15:43] <PabloRubianes> daker: thanks
[15:44] <costales> Thank you! \o/
[15:44] <costales> It was a pleasure
[15:44]  * coolbhavi goes and grabs some dinner