[12:38] <Aleo> Hey belkinsa - Thank you for the help with the wiki pages.   Excellent as always.
[12:38] <belkinsa> Not a problem, sorry for changing up the format of the homepage.
[12:39] <belkinsa> Most team wiki page home pages are like that.
[12:39] <Aleo> I like it better now.   Thank you!
[12:39] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[12:43] <belkinsa> Aleo, you think we need a translation bit on the home page so people can translate our pages?
[12:43] <Aleo> sure, Japanese, Spanish?
[12:43] <belkinsa> Russian, French, German, Swiss are four others
[12:44] <Aleo> uuuuu, you win.
[12:44] <belkinsa> :d
[12:44] <Aleo> Actually, if we can discuss it for a while
[12:44] <belkinsa> No, I don't speak those.  I was just listing them.
[12:45] <Aleo> what would be the purpose of having any other language?
[12:45] <belkinsa> For the non-English speakers or the ones with weak English, so they can understand what we do.
[12:46] <Aleo> encourage participation.   Sounds good, but do you think it will lead to having different groups doing different things
[12:46] <Aleo> ?
[12:47] <belkinsa> I think not, but the main issue is within the mailing-list, most of us (right now) can speak English well and I think English is more accepted in mailing-lists in most of the teams here.
[12:48] <Aleo> I think it is a great idea, however we would need to keep a universal language for coordinating our efforts
[12:48] <belkinsa> +1
[12:48] <Aleo> let's try one or two language "branches"
[12:49] <Aleo> and see what happens
[12:49] <belkinsa> Sure.
[12:49] <Aleo> sounds like an experiment.  Let's call English language Control, haha
[12:50] <belkinsa> lol
[12:50] <belkinsa> Maybe Spanish is one of the branches.
[12:50] <Aleo> We would need to do different mailing list just in case it is too confusing.
[12:51] <belkinsa> We could but that might get too messy.
[12:51] <Aleo> yes, actually.   Translation in the same email?
[12:52] <belkinsa> Too messy too.
[12:52] <belkinsa> I need to look at other teams and hjow they do it.
[12:52] <belkinsa> how*
[12:52] <Aleo> Is there precedent of a group handling different languages at the same time?
[12:53] <Aleo> I would like to research that too.
[12:53] <belkinsa> I don't know
[12:54] <Aleo> let's try to find out.  Give me some time.   I will reply again before going to sleep today.
[12:54] <Aleo> About an hour.
[12:56] <belkinsa> Okay, I have other work to do and I still need to dress for the day
[13:38] <akshmakov> @belkinsa yes I am free, just got to work
[13:39] <akshmakov> I know that was last night, I leave this window open at work
[13:40] <belkinsa> You just can use belkinsa, not with @.  Ah, I see.  Our next meeting is next Friday at 1900 UTC.
[13:40] <belkinsa> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Meetings/Agenda/06282014
[13:46] <belkinsa> Aleo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations
[13:50] <Aleo> Thank you, I have been looking at it.   I have not been able to find double language mailing list in any group yet.
[13:50] <Aleo> How do you make red letter, by the way.
[13:51] <belkinsa> You have x-chat, right?
[13:51] <Aleo> yes
[13:51] <belkinsa> It's highlighting when someone types in your name.
[13:52] <belkinsa> Easiest way to type in a name in the channel, if the person is there, is to type in the first letter of the name in lower case and press tab to get it.
[13:52] <Aleo> ah, so when I write your name it makes it red.   Even though I do not see it.
[13:52] <Aleo> ah, ok
[13:52] <Aleo> got it
[13:52] <belkinsa> Yup.
[13:52] <belkinsa> Aleo
[13:52] <Aleo> belkinsa,
[13:52] <Aleo> haha
[13:52] <belkinsa> Yup
[13:53] <Aleo> Ok, I will keep looking at the info.   I am asking at the ubuntu translator  irc channel
[13:54] <belkinsa> Alright, thanks for your help.  Should this be added to the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Meetings/Agenda/06282014
[13:54] <belkinsa> You can add your own notes there if you want
[13:54] <belkinsa> Just don't forget to @SIG@ after the notes for an item
[13:57] <Aleo> what is @SIG@?
[13:58] <belkinsa> A moinmoin wiki function that allows you to timestamp something
[13:58] <belkinsa> Example, "This is comming from http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22241/community-1406-ubuntu-dubuntu-scientists/UOS, I was think about roles like founder, deputies (if needed), go-to-people for program related questions (see here), ect. -- belkinsa 2014-06-20 08:37:14 "
[13:59] <belkinsa> That belkinsa 2014-06-20 08:37:14 is the stamp
[14:00] <Aleo> All of it is manually written?
[14:00] <belkinsa> No, it does it for you when you submit changes on a wiki page with @SIG@
[14:00] <belkinsa> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/FAQ#How_can_I_edit_a_wiki_page.3F
[14:02] <Aleo> Ok, I understood.  I will do as you say.   Thank you again
[14:02] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[14:03] <belkinsa> Oh, you may also add items to the agenda but you can just mark your name on them but I want notes to be @SIG@ 'd.
[14:20] <akshmakov> belkinsa is something like this useful?
[14:20] <akshmakov> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/akshmakov/sandbox/Packaging
[14:20] <akshmakov> I'm writing up some other topics I've been working with recently, OpenCL at the moment
[14:41] <belkinsa> akshmakov, you know there might be a page already like this one.
[14:45] <akshmakov> I found that the existing pages are either outdated or present innefficient solutions
[14:46] <belkinsa> Are you fixing them because it's useful to get them up to date.
[14:46] <akshmakov> Its mainly a reference for myself
[14:46] <akshmakov> They are not so much out of date, just scattered references on individual tools
[14:46] <belkinsa> I see, but make sure after you are done, you place the final copy on the wiki page of that program.
[14:46] <akshmakov> Out of date was in reference to OpenCL
[14:47] <akshmakov> The point of the page was how to package custom software, which can be very useful in a scientific setting
[14:47] <belkinsa> I see.
[14:48] <akshmakov> Especially when you build your own forks of libraries and want to use them on your system
[14:48] <belkinsa> We could point that final product to our resources page
[14:48] <akshmakov> It can take months to get changes to get approved upstream
[14:48] <akshmakov> and even longer before they get incorporated into debian/ubuntu
[14:48] <belkinsa> Indeed.
[14:48] <belkinsa> I think we have a debian guy in our team
[14:49] <akshmakov> I am indirectly involved with neurodebian myself
[14:49] <belkinsa> https://launchpad.net/~ghisvail is the guy
[14:50] <akshmakov> Yes, he emailed me when I introduced myself on the email list asking for some details on my experience
[14:50] <belkinsa> Ah, I see.
[14:51] <akshmakov> The utility of explaining this to users is it can allow for quick testing and distribution of in house software
[14:51] <akshmakov> I write a script for my lab that lets them use equipment X
[14:51] <akshmakov> I can have it on the lab repo within a day
[14:51] <akshmakov> They can use it in the meantime while I deal with having it merged upstream
[14:52] <akshmakov> If there is even a project to merge it with
[14:52] <belkinsa> I see, I think bringing it up to the next meeting might be pointless at this time, maybe the next one?  We only have two developers (I think) and I think the rest of us are non-developers.
[14:53] <akshmakov> I briefly explained to ghisvail my philosophy on getting labs to use open source software
[14:53] <belkinsa> Wait...
[14:53]  * belkinsa faceplams
[14:53] <belkinsa> That's a goal of our team.
[14:53] <belkinsa> That could be brought up in the next one.
[14:53] <akshmakov> you have to make it easy, and for labs this means someone needs to take the torch in management
[14:55] <akshmakov> >I think the rest of us are non-developers
[14:55] <belkinsa> Good point.
[14:55] <belkinsa> And leadership is needed also.
[14:56] <akshmakov> Thats ok, the whole point is utilizing the technical users in a lab/group and make it as easy as possible to share their work with their colleagues
[14:56] <Aleo> akshmakov, I look forward to reading whatever you write and lear from it.
[14:56] <Aleo> belkinsa, I am going to sleep.  I could not find any team that handles double language in the mailing list.  I will write it as a discussion item for the next meeting.
[14:56] <belkinsa> Aleo, sure thing.
[14:57] <belkinsa> Slaapwel, Aleo.
[14:57] <belkinsa> Sleep well*
[14:58] <Aleo> See you!
[15:00] <akshmakov> I can bring it up in terms of input, I think it is very difficult to give a lab a single cd image of an ubuntu that works for everyone
[15:00] <belkinsa> Sure.
[15:01] <akshmakov> Instead my personal opinion is about teaching the technical users in the lab how to set up an efficient lab ecosystem for linux and ubuntu specifically
[15:02] <akshmakov> Of course, there is still a lot of overlap between users, say everyone in a math group will need to use Mathematica
[15:02] <akshmakov> In my experience it has been a lot easier to get people to use linux when you show how much simpler it is than managing a windows system
[15:03] <akshmakov> But if both systems require you to fiddle around with compiling packages or broken installers or out of date software
[15:03] <akshmakov> stick with the devil you know is the general attitude