[01:17] <AskUbuntu> similarities between N900 Maemo 5 OS and Ubuntu | http://askubuntu.com/q/485710
[04:38] <WanLee> hello everyone
[04:38] <WanLee> :)
[04:38] <WanLee> proud to be there
[06:26] <Kohelet> so I'm attempting to port ubuntu touch to the Xperia Z Ultra and I was wondering about the UCM part of the porting guide...it's sort of vague and I'm not entirely sure what's required for that part
[07:22] <oSoMoN> robru, hey, do we have an ETA on when silo 5 will be merged and cleaned? it looks like everything is in the release pocket now, not sure why the status is not updated in the spreadsheet
[07:47] <AskUbuntu> Alternatives solutions for Ubuntu Emulator | http://askubuntu.com/q/485819
[07:49] <mandel> Elleo, morning! I have the branches you needed for the browser, I need to ensure that nothing goes wrong and I'll request a silo
[08:24] <Elleo> mandel: awesome, thanks, I've got most of the other download stuff implemented now so it'll be good to get the header stuff in there :)
[08:27] <mandel> Elleo, I have a branch ready with the property, let me push it. Could you test it to see if it is what you needed?
[08:29] <Elleo> mandel: sure, that'd be good;
[08:29] <mandel> Elleo, here it is lp:~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/expose-property
[08:29] <Elleo> thanks
[08:30] <mandel> Elleo, if at some time you can give me a hand on how to generate the qml docs I would appreciate it, I have the cpp docs working but I did not quite understand how to get the qml ones when the code is pure cpp
[08:31] <Elleo> mandel: sure; you'll probably want to use qdoc for that (which isn't great, but it seems to be the best option for QML docs from C++)
[08:32] <mandel> Elleo, I have doxygen working correctly for the cpp, no idea what is needed to use qdoc + cmake :-/
[08:32] <mandel> Elleo, I'm sure that I will be able to do it but I'm super busy and will take me longer than it should ..
[08:34] <Elleo> okay, well I'll happily try and put together a quick branch that generates the qml docs for you if you like
[08:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Dump The Pump Day! :-D
[08:35] <Elleo> it looks like the qml implementation is already using qdoc comments, so I'd guess it's just the cmake integration that's needed?
[08:39] <mandel> Elleo, yes, cmake is what is missing
[08:41] <Elleo> mandel: okay, I'll try and put something together while that branch is building
[08:41] <mandel> Elleo, awesome, thx!!!
[08:42] <Elleo> no problem :)
[09:37] <AskUbuntu> instalar ubuntu touch en lg l7 | http://askubuntu.com/q/485861
[09:47] <Elleo> mandel: I think you'll need to use a QVariantMap for the header property, as your StringMap isn't registered as a QML type
[10:49] <seb128> ricmm, hey, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-location/+bug/1332311 a platform-api issue?
[10:53] <ricmm> seb128: is that on the desktop preview session?
[10:53] <ricmm> or is he somehow bringing up the location-service outside of the unity8 session
[10:57] <ricmm> seb128: but yes, thats the platform-api trying to be used without a selected backend
[11:05] <seb128> ricmm, it's unity7, I've both sessions installed for testing
[11:06] <seb128> ricmm, but installing unity8 shouldn't lead to unity7 to welcoming with you with an apport prompt at every login ;-)
[11:07] <ricmm> seb128: why does indicator-location-service autostart in the unity7 session?
[11:08] <seb128> ricmm, because it's upstart job doesn't restrict the sessions where it should start
[11:09] <seb128> but even, shouldn't that exit gracefully rather than abrt in those cases?
[11:09] <1JTAAIUFE> does hdmi on nexus 4 work yet?
[11:14] <seb128> ricmm, can you triage the bug as you see fit? either reassign to the platform-api with a "shouldn't abrt on desktop configs" or turn it into "upstart job should start it only under unity8 sessions"
[11:19] <ogra_> 1JTAAIUFE, no ... and unlikely it will for this release
[11:19] <ogra_> focus is on getting the phones that go on sale ready
[11:19] <ogra_> with a proper phone OS only
[11:19] <1JTAAIUFE> lame
[11:20] <ogra_> feel free to send patches
[11:21] <1JTAAIUFE> sure sure. right after i cure cancer
[11:24] <ogra_> you are aware that you need a stable phone OS before you can add fancy desktop toying, right ?
[11:25] <1JTAAIUFE> ya theyreare plentyof those tho
[11:25] <ricmm> seb128: thinking of the best way to deal with it, I'll sort it out
[11:25] <ogra_> well, then feel free to develop a desktop for either of these
[11:26] <seb128> ricmm, thanks
[11:27]  * ogra_ notes it is friday and stops feeding the troll
[11:27] <1JTAAIUFE> ogra_, was hoping these devs would. instead of reinventing the wheel
[11:27] <ogra_> 1JTAAIUFE, we will once we have a stable base for this
[11:28] <ogra_> this has nothing to do with reinventing anything ... it is a converged system that works in both scenarios, cant do that with any other OS
[11:34] <oSoMoN> ogra_, when you have a minute, could you confirm bug #1332122 ?
[11:34] <ogra_> oh, that is why some dont start !
[11:35] <ogra_> oSoMoN, hmm, cant confirm it for dungeon fury ... works here (and the flicker is gone)
[11:35] <ogra_> i can confirm it for the other flickering one "jungle chaos" though
[11:35] <ogra_> it never starts
[11:36] <ogra_> oh, wait, thats 5.3
[11:36] <ogra_> i dont have 5.3 anywhere yet
[11:37]  * ogra_ upgrades his flo 
[11:39] <ogra_> bah, battery drained :(
[11:39] <ogra_> that will take a while ...
[11:40] <oSoMoN> ogra_, it looks like the issue is not 5.3 specific, although it seems to happen more since we switched to 5.3
[11:40] <ogra_> right, i see it on the last promoted image here
[11:40] <ogra_> with the new oxide the flickering seems gone ... but some games dont start at all
[11:41] <oSoMoN> ogra_, if you could confirm that the renderer process gets killed by the OOM killer, that would be great
[11:41] <oSoMoN> that’s what I’m seeing here
[11:41] <ogra_> will check
[11:50] <Elleo> mandel: put together a branch doing qdoc generation: https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/ubuntu-download-manager/generate-qdocs/+merge/223901
[11:50] <Elleo> mandel: I haven't made any changes to the packaging though, I'll leave that to you as I wasn't sure if you'd want it in the current lib's doc package or a new one specifically for the qtdeclarative package
[12:12] <ogra_> oSoMoN, dungeonfury runs fine here on my freshly upgraded flo :/
[12:12] <oSoMoN> ogra_, can you test with other playcanvas games?
[12:15] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: hey, is the location stuff supposed to be working from the browser now? I recall you telling me it didn't
[12:16] <sergiusens> wondering if there's a bug I can subscribe to
[12:18] <ogra_> sergiusens, it worked for me in osmtouch in malta
[12:18] <ogra_> (only GPS after getting a fix though)
[12:18] <sergiusens> ogra_: osmtouch is no browser based though ;-)
[12:18] <sergiusens> there was a specific problem with the browser
[12:19] <ogra_> i thought its a webapp-container
[12:19] <sergiusens> ogra_: osmtouch is qml
[12:19] <ogra_> ah, k
[12:19] <sergiusens> ogra_: using that map provider thing
[12:19]  * sergiusens forgets the name
[12:20] <ogra_> ah
[12:20] <ogra_> fun, i always thought its just a webapp
[12:20] <seb128> sergiusens, seems like https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1182658 is about that?
[12:20] <seb128> sergiusens, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/0.23+14.10.20140620-0ubuntu1 just landed
[12:20] <seb128> sergiusens, which refers to that bug, not sure if that's a partial fix or the real one  though
[12:21] <sergiusens> seb128: nice, I'll give it a go later today; I really want to start attaching locations to my beer checkins :-)
[12:22] <oSoMoN> sergiusens, support for geolocation permission requests in the browser is landing as we speak
[12:22] <sergiusens> I like these responses :-)
[12:24] <Shadow007> hmm,holla..
[12:25] <Shadow007> is ubuntu touch support for Google Maps Service .etc ???
[12:26] <oSoMoN> sergiusens, note that getting a first fix with the GPS can take a long time, but it eventually works
[12:27] <Aizen> ogra_, you there?
[12:29] <ogra_> Aizen, only half way ... very busy today
[12:30] <ogra_> oSoMoN_, so i cant confirm it for any game on the flo
[12:30] <ogra_> the flo also has the flickering again
[12:30] <ogra_> i dont have that with the new oxide on mako (but with old Qt)
[12:31] <Aizen> ogra_, just a quick suggestion. I asked you a day ago about my init process not starting. I think I found the problem. When kernel tries ti run the init process, it get's error -13 (permission denied).
[12:31] <Aizen> But the init file is executable, I checked
[12:31] <ogra_> Aizen, well, /init in the initrd is executable
[12:32] <Aizen> I know, but kernel can't execute it :(
[12:33] <Aizen> ogra_, Maybe rootfs is not mounted properly? How can I check it ?
[12:34] <ogra_> Aizen, rootfa doesnt come into play at all
[12:34] <ogra_> only after /init was processed
[12:36] <ogra_> the kernel uncompresses the initrd to tmpfs ... then runs /init in there ... which processes a bunch of scripts ... and then calls the run-init command to switch too the rootfs the scripts before have assembled
[12:36] <ogra_> (and run-init executes /sbin/init in the rootfs)
[12:37] <ogra_> if it executed /init but fails it will spawn an adb shell and stop the boot
[12:37] <ogra_> i asume your issue is the first step above
[12:38] <Aizen> ogra_, yes. I even chmoded it before packing the ramdisk. Still don't work. I'm out of ideas :|
[12:39] <ogra_> you shouldnt touch the ramdisk and first make sure it works with the default boot.img your build produced
[12:39] <ogra_> (it surely does on other devices as is)
[12:40] <Aizen> by default you mean android boot.img ?
[12:40] <ogra_> no
[12:40] <ogra_> the produced ubuntu boot.img
[12:40] <davmor2> pmcgowan: with qt5.3 out are we going to hold the meeting this afternoon still?
[12:40] <ogra_> that comes out of your android build
[12:41] <ogra_> during build it pulls the ubuntu-generic-initramfs package from launchpad, unpacks it and grabs the intramfs from there ... then it creates a boot.img
[12:41] <ogra_> thats the boot.img you need to use for booting
[12:42] <pmcgowan> davmor2, I have a conflict myself
[12:42] <pmcgowan> davmor2, hows it looking?
[12:42] <Aizen> ogra_, boot.img built by the kernel.mk file? That doesn't work in our device without modification. That's why we use custom bootimg.mk file.
[12:42] <davmor2> pretty damned good to be honest
[12:42] <pmcgowan> good to hear
[12:42] <pmcgowan> I am happy to cancel
[12:43] <ogra_> pmcgowan, we got a good bunch of test regressions ... but only one per app (except the galler which started to fail in 22 tests even before the 5.3 landing)
[12:43] <ogra_> *gallery
[12:43] <davmor2> pmcgowan: bfiller needs to push the already fixed gallery app for the header fix but wanted to do some other bits to it as I understand it.  Other than that nothing looks horrifically broken
[12:43] <ogra_> http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/utopic/touch/mako/91:20140620.1:20140530/8639/
[12:44] <Aizen> anyway that's a good point. I'll take a look how the build produces boot.img
[12:44] <ogra_> calculator, calendar, music and messagimg all have one new failure it seems
[12:44] <pmcgowan> ok looks reasonably good
[12:44] <ogra_> sadly not promotable though ...
[12:44] <pmcgowan> davmor2, I will cancel the invite
[12:45] <davmor2> ogra_: the music app back and forward I've done that this morning it works fine so I don't know why that didn't pass
[12:45] <ogra_> davmor2, i assume most of these are simple AP adjustments we need
[13:02] <ogra_> mpt, could we have a mute button iin the sound indicator ...
[13:02] <Laurynas> hi
[13:02] <Laurynas> i was too lazy to search... could anyone tell me, if i could try to install it on W7 phone?
[13:03] <ogra_> mpt, as we have no quick way to mute your phone atm if it rings while sitting in the opera or some such :)
[13:03] <ogra_> Laurynas, nope, we need to use the android drivers
[13:03] <Laurynas> ;/ sad, would like to try it out
[13:03] <Laurynas> ;]
[13:04] <popey> that happened to me this week ogra_
[13:04] <popey> alarm went off when i was at the kids school concert.
[13:04] <ogra_> popey, i know thats what i had in mind ;)
[13:04] <popey> ☹
[13:04] <popey> hehe
[13:05] <popey> I like that you think I go to the Opera tho ☻
[13:05] <ogra_> haha
[13:14] <mterry> fginther, heyo -- did I mention yesterday that I had gotten phablet-config wizard-wizard --disable support branches up?
[13:21] <mandel> Elleo, superb, no problem
[13:21] <mandel> Elleo, did you test the branch?
[13:24] <Elleo> mandel: yeah, I mentioned above using StringMap/QMap<QString, QString> for the headers property doesn't work, as it's not a registered QML type; so you'd either need to use something like a QVariantMap for the property and convert it or write a wrapper object (QMap can't be registered directly iirc due to not being QObject derived)
[13:24] <Elleo> mandel: I made a quick change on my end use a QVariantMap but I'm hitting a segfault when setting the headers
[13:24] <Elleo> mandel: that could be due to a mistake in my changes though, so still need to have a bit more of a look at that
[13:24] <mandel> Elleo, ok, so templates are not welcome in QML.. go an figure :-/
[13:25] <mandel> Elleo, I'll do a work around, no worries
[13:25] <Elleo> okay, thanks
[13:28] <mandel> Elleo, one question, operator overloading, does it work in QML?
[13:28] <mandel> Elleo, or do I have to add a setHeader(QString, QString) QString header(QString) deleteHeader(QString) methods?
[13:30] <Elleo> mandel: not certain, but I don't think so
[13:30] <mandel> Elleo, ack, methods it is then
[13:34] <Elleo> mandel: a QVariantMap might be nicer since then it can be set like "headers = { 'Cookies' : 'blahasdfasfd', 'Referer' : 'http://fake.com', etc. } in QML
[13:35] <mandel> Elleo, ack, then I would have to do something to ensure that the headers are all strings and value<QString> or toString work correctly
[13:35] <Elleo> you can check QVariant.canConvert(QVariant::String) to make sure it's either a stirng type or something that can be converted to a string type
[13:36] <Elleo> well "yourVariant.canConvert(QVariant::String)"
[13:37] <lool> cjwatson, stgraber: Hey, FYI I've filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-image/+bug/1332538 capturing what I think is a dangerous problem we ought to guard against before we allow production image updates
[13:38] <lool> cjwatson, stgraber: If you have better ideas on how to solve this, could you add them there?
[13:39] <ogra_> lool, hmm, we are planning to use libnss-extrausers ... initially only for non-system users ...
[13:39] <ogra_> i wonder if we should probably adjust that plan for system-users
[13:40] <ogra_> so that they get created in a writable passwd/shadow/group setup on first boot and dont change theirr UID on the installed system
[13:41] <mpt> ogra_, I have been nagging Richard about Silent Mode since April last year. Unfortunately it’s not in the requirements, except for System Settings
[13:41] <ogra_> mpt, ugh ...
[13:41] <ogra_> sounds like a serious RTM req. to me
[13:42] <mpt> yeah, even feature phones have it
[13:42] <mpt> ogra_, if we had a Silent Mode it would also need (2) an easy toggle, (3) an API for developers “play this sound except in Silent Mode” vs. “play this sound even in Silent Mode”, and (4) use of that API by the Clock app (so that your alarm still wakes you up, for example)
[13:43] <mpt> It’s not just a matter of adding a switch to the UI somewhere
[13:44] <mpt> There’s a partial spec at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SilentMode> but it hasn’t been touched since August.
[13:47] <ogra_> mpt, well, fo rnow i think a mute button that puts the volume to zero would do i think
[13:47] <ogra_> i agree that we should long term have deeper integration
[13:48] <Elleo> mandel: figured out why I was getting segfaults; looks like you either need to be creating the m_download object when the SingleDownload is created or have some intermediate property that can store the headers; otherwise the headers can't be set until after the async call to download() is completed because before that functions that access m_download will segfault due to it still being null
[13:49] <Elleo> mandel: I can work around it in the browser by having an extra property that holds them until it gets the downloadIdChanged signal, but that'd be pretty nasty for most QML devs, as they'd be expecting to be able to set the headers declaratively too
[13:50] <Elleo> mandel: so it'd be good if that can be resolved in such a way that the headers property can be set before download() is called
[13:50] <mpt> ogra_, the sound indicator already has one of those — the icon at the left end of the slider. Unfortunately indicator menus take a while to open. ;-)
[13:51] <ogra_> mpt, OH !
[13:51] <ogra_> not very intuitive though
[13:52] <Elleo> mandel: also it'd be especially important for cases where devs are using the default download autostart, since they'd have no way of setting the headers at all then
[13:52] <ogra_> it should have an ubuntu shape around it to indicate you can use it as a button
[14:02] <lool> ogra_: I'm not sure how it helps to use extrausers?
[14:02] <mpt> ogra_, well it’s a pretty niche function, given that it isn’t Silent Mode…
[14:02] <lool> ogra_: if you like to outline how this would work in the bug, please do; it feels to me that the problem is the desync between what gets applied by updates and files created in writable dirs in the mean time
[14:03] <lool> we dont scan for files in writable dirs today; we just applied the updated UIDs to the read-only parts
[14:07] <mandel> Elleo, true
[14:09] <ogra_> lool, right, we would need to drop everything into extrausers on first boot and then have a process on upgrade that monitors additions/removals to the readonly passwd file and transfer them into extrausers
[14:27] <lool> ogra_: it seems tricky to do the monitoring on the phone side
[14:28] <ogra_> you just diff what comes with the update against what came with the past update
[14:28] <ogra_> (and only act on additions/removals ... not on any other changes)
[14:59] <mterry> MacSlow, if you are despondent that there is nothing left to review, I have some testing I need done on the wizard...  ;)  Not urgent, if you have other stuff to do, do that
[15:00] <MacSlow> mterry, not that I'm out of tasks, but sure hand over what you need looked at
[15:01] <mterry> (This is a general call too anyone else) -- I'd like to enable the wizard shortly.  To test, just install "ubuntu-system-settings-wizard" on the phone.  Then after running through it, to get it back, do "adb shell rm /home/phablet/.config/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard-has-run"
[15:02] <cwayne> mardy: i don't suppose there's any update on account-plugins-as-clicks?
[15:02] <mterry> MacSlow, ^ just need people to run it through it's paces, make sure it doesn't blow up their system before landing
[15:04] <MacSlow> mterry, ok... noted those steps down
[15:05] <MacSlow> mterry, is over the weekend early enough or do you need that today?
[15:07] <mterry> MacSlow, not today
[15:07] <MacSlow> mterry, ok
[15:07] <mterry> MacSlow, if you happen to feel wizard-y this weekend, that would be nice  :)
[15:07] <mterry> but no pressure to waste weekend time
[15:08] <MacSlow> mterry, well I don't expect it to burn many hours so it won't be an issue
[15:17] <popey> mtwhat triggers it?
[15:17] <popey> bah!
[15:31] <cwayne> popey: how did you get that OOBE screen you put on g+?
[15:31] <cwayne> its the system-settings wizard right?
[15:31] <popey> ubuntu-system-settings-wizard install that
[15:33] <AlbertA> ricmm: any idea why media-hub fails in this test for amd64? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7675221/
[15:34] <AlbertA> ricmm: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/178040425/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.media-hub_0.0.2%2B14.10.20140620-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:34] <ogra_> jhodapp, ^^^^
[15:34] <ricmm> right, jim is better for that
[15:35]  * jhodapp looking
[15:35] <AlbertA> jhodapp: this is in relation to this MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~albaguirre/media-hub/use-new-dbus-interface-for-display/+merge/223338
[15:35] <ogra_> stgraber, hmm could it be that you forgot -k when you re-published generic_x86 ? the version numbers are off now
[15:35] <jhodapp> AlbertA: I've seen that before...another bug that only seems to happen on the CI servers
[15:36] <jhodapp> AlbertA: oh so you don't see this happen before that change?
[15:36] <AlbertA> jhodapp: I'm not sure actually
[15:36] <jhodapp> AlbertA: do you need me to review that change for you and test it?
[15:36] <AlbertA> jhodapp: yeah that would be great
[15:37] <AlbertA> jhodapp: all other archs built fine
[15:37] <jhodapp> AlbertA: ok I'll get to that this afternoon
[15:37] <AlbertA> jhodapp: this is line 8 in the ci train spreadsheet
[15:37] <jhodapp> AlbertA: awesome, thanks for updating that
[15:38] <pitti> tedg: hey Ted, how are you?
[15:38] <pitti> tedg: did you ever try to use ubuntu-app-launch in a (s)chroot?
[15:39] <pitti> tedg: I get a neverending stream of shm error messages with that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7675247/
[15:39] <pitti> tedg: but presumably the important one is the "Unable to find job 'application-legacy': The name com.ubuntu.Upstart was not provided by any .service files"
[15:40] <pitti> tedg: certainly the schroot doesn't have an upstart session running; can I start that manually?
[15:40] <ogra_> tedg, on that note .... we got a lot new .crash files in from ubuntu-app-launch_desktop-hook  image testing ... can you take a look at them ?
[15:40] <pitti> tedg: I'm asking because testing in a schroot (while I develop all the click testing stuff) is magnitudes faster than on a real phone and the emulator
[15:40] <ogra_> tedg, http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/utopic/touch/mako/91:20140620.1:20140530/8639/sdk/ has one at the bottom (and in four other unrelated tests they happen too)
[15:41] <tedg> pitti, It really needs an Upstart user session, I mean, that's kinda how it works :-)
[15:41] <tedg> pitti, If you could get a user session running with a dbus session bus, I think that's all it needs.
[15:41] <pitti> tedg: right, I figured as much: hence my question, can I start that manually?
[15:41] <tedg> pitti, But you'll probably need to create a new session type.
[15:41] <tedg> pitti, You can do init --user, but that'll try to run all the jobs.
[15:42] <tedg> pitti, So you'll need to navigate through them by setting the desktop.
[15:42] <pitti> tedg: ubuntu-app-launch said it was creating a session bus by itself (it complained when dbus-x11 wasn't installed), but I can try
[15:42] <tedg> ogra_, looking
[15:42] <ogra_> thx
[15:43] <tedg> ogra_, Cool, honestly that's what I was hoping for. Put new crash points in to try and find this DB error :-)
[15:43] <tedg> ogra_, Well, not crash, recoverable errors. It recovers.
[15:43] <ogra_> right, but it makes our image less green
[15:43] <pitti> $ /sbin/init --user
[15:44] <pitti> init: dbus pre-start process (9360) terminated with status 127
[15:44] <pitti> tedg: ^ I guess that's not healthy? (it's running, though)
[15:44] <tedg> Uhg, there's not the data I was expecting :-(
[15:45] <ogra_> only a dependency list it seems
[15:45] <tedg> pitti, You might need to grab stgraber here, he set up the early upstart session stuff.
[15:45] <seb128> pitti, see #ubuntu-desktop recent backlog if you are on utopic, the upstart update from earlier is buggy
[15:45] <tedg> Might be able to help you navigate those waters better.
[15:45] <pitti> nope, still the same "com.ubuntu.Upstart was not provided" error, even with init --user running
[15:45] <seb128> pitti, ignore that
[15:45] <seb128> pitti, our issue was with xsession-init, your looked similar but is not
[15:45] <pitti> tedg: ah, thanks
[15:46] <tedg> pitti, You'll need to get a login that is setup with that dbus session bus as well.
[15:46] <tedg> pitti, I think you can cat ~/.cache/upstart/dbus-session unless ogra_ has moved it already.
[15:46] <ogra_> i havent yet
[15:47] <ogra_> (next week)
[15:48] <tedg> Cool, then it'll be /run/user/32001/upstart/dbus-session, right?
[15:48] <ogra_> i was pondering to just export it into the the upstart env
[15:48] <dpm_> pitti, I tried to change my locale to 'ca', but it seems it's not added to the seeds? I thought it had made it to the cut-off in the end?
[15:48] <ogra_> instead of using a file at all
[15:48] <pitti> dpm_: we need to rebuild ubuntu-touch-meta forthat
[15:49] <tedg> I think people want it to ssh in and test things.
[15:49] <tedg> I guess they could pull it out though.
[15:49] <ogra_> if people test things they will have to do that under the upstart session anyway
[15:49] <ogra_> and the profile.d scripts we have make the phablet user end up in it by default
[15:49] <ogra_> even on console
[15:50] <pitti> tedg: ah, it looks different now: Unable to find job 'application-legacy': GDBus.Error:com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Error.UnknownJob: Unbekannter Auftrag: application-legacy
[15:50] <ogra_> as i said i was *pondering* ... i wont land it if it doesnt work :)
[15:50] <pitti> tedg: "Unbekannter Auftrag" == "unknown job"
[15:50] <ogra_> (and fall back to use a file in /run)
[15:51] <tedg> ogra_, Cool, what ever works :-)
[15:51] <tedg> pitti, So that means that it can't find one of the job's path when asking upstart. Which would be odd.
[15:52] <tedg> pitti, Is there a /usr/share/upstart/session/application-legacy.conf ?
[15:52] <pitti> tedg: yes
[15:52] <pitti> tedg: ah, wait -- I just set the dbus session of the already running init of my host system, but that's wrong
[15:53] <pitti> it shuld be a completely separate init and dbus process
[15:53] <tedg> You should also install UAL on your host system. It's great! ;-)
[15:54] <pitti> but width dbus-launch; export D-S-A= ... /sbin/init --user & u-a-l I still get the ServiceUnknown: com.ubuntu.Upstart error, hmm
[15:55] <pitti> ok, stgraber isn't online yet, I'll ask him next week
[15:55] <pitti> tedg: thanks so far!
[15:56] <tedg> pitti, Cool, that guy knows containers pretty well too ;-)
[16:06] <dpm_> thanks pitti. Is this rebuild to ubuntu-touch-meta to include the additional languages something planned, or does it need to be requested?
[16:10] <mhall119> pmcgowan: it would be nice if there was a way to enable "Demo Mode" on the phone that would make it re-run through the "how to use the edge swiping" every time you wake the phone or something
[16:10] <mhall119> has that been discussed yet?
[16:10] <pmcgowan> mhall119, there is such a thing
[16:10] <pmcgowan> from command line as I recall, one sec
[16:11] <pmcgowan> mhall119, there is a dbus command to renable it, would that suffice?
[16:12] <dpm_> hi mterry, I think you might be responsible for the new setup wizard, so nice work! :) I'd like to start pointing translators to it - in which project are its translations hosted?
[16:13] <mhall119> pmcgowan: having in it system-settings would be nicer, but I could manage dbus
[16:13] <stgraber> pitti: ?
[16:13] <pmcgowan> mterry, does that demo-edges thing still exist or is there some other property now
[16:13] <stgraber> ogra_: hmm, looking
[16:13] <pmcgowan> mhall119, we could I suppose, or at least put it in phablet-tools
[16:13] <mhall119> pmcgowan: whatever it is, we need to let people who might be showing it off at events know how to use it
[16:14] <mhall119> even loco-team events, it would have been nice to have for my last release party
[16:14] <stgraber> cdimage@nusakan:~$ bin/copy-image ubuntu-touch/utopic-proposed ubuntu-touch/utopic generic_x86 87 -k -vvv
[16:14] <stgraber> ogra_: ^
[16:14] <stgraber> ogra_: so no, I did pass -k
[16:14] <popey> mhall119: pmcgowan we should just have a click which is unconfined which resets back to factory
[16:14] <stgraber> ogra_: maybe I passed the wrong number though?
[16:14] <popey> just launch it, and it restarts unity with everything reset
[16:14] <mhall119> popey: I don't necessary want everything reset
[16:14] <pmcgowan> popey, well not factory reset, thst  a little different
[16:14] <robru> oSoMoN, well it's merged now
[16:14] <mhall119> it's my daily driver afterall
[16:15] <popey> well, you could have options for what to reset
[16:15] <pmcgowan> that will be in settings
[16:15] <popey> welcome screen, initial tutorial, reset user metrics
[16:15] <pmcgowan> but re-enabling the wizard seems different to me
[16:15] <pmcgowan> popey, stop making work for me!
[16:15] <mhall119> I'd even be happy with an app that just triggered the wizard
[16:16] <pmcgowan> lets see what mterry says
[16:16] <popey> haha
[16:16] <nhaines> demo-content should include infographic metrics.  :)
[16:16] <mhall119> In Soviet Canonical, employees give work to managers
[16:17] <popey> ☭
[16:18] <ogra_> stgraber, hmm ... thats weird then ... i checked my history too and had the -k everywhere
[16:23] <stgraber> ogra_: ok, let me check what's the state of things and how we can fix it :)
[16:24] <stgraber> ogra_: hmm, looking at http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/utopic/ I see the same versions for all devices
[16:25] <stgraber> ogra_: it's utopic-proposed/generic_x86 which is out of sync with the others, but that's very easily explained (very likely caused by someone respinning only the i386 rootfs for whatever reason, resulting in a new build only for the x86 device)
[16:26] <stgraber> we could do a nasty version hack on all other devices to get the versions back to sync, or you could just respin armhf only which should have the same effect (without the system-image hackery)
[16:29] <mterry> dpm_, ubuntu-system-settings
[16:29] <mterry> pmcgowan, demo-edges still exists
[16:29] <mterry> pmcgowan, I'm adding a new option to phablet-config -- phablet-config welcome-wizard --disable
[16:29] <AskUbuntu> Does ubuntu touch support desktop convert desktop convergence yet? | http://askubuntu.com/q/486030
[16:30] <mterry> pmcgowan, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/phablet-tools/welcome-wizard-disable/+merge/223766
[16:30]  * mterry goes afk again for a little bit of lunch
[16:30] <dpm_> mterry, nice, thanks
[16:31] <ogra_> stgraber, oh, then it is probably rsalveti's fault :P
[16:31] <ogra_> stgraber, right ...
[16:32] <ogra_> will check if we can do that during the next week (we dont have planned builds atm)
[16:34] <rsalveti> ogra_: not my fault :P
[16:34] <ogra_> heh
[16:34] <ogra_> i guess there were failed armhf builds at some point but x86 finished
[16:36] <msvb-lab> Anyone succeeded with the dualboot.sh script (Ubuntu Touch on Nexus via recovery) on Cyanogenmod 11 yet?
[16:36] <dobey> how do i get the requisite upstart processes running on the user's session bus, without starting a whole new X session? just dbus and upstart only?
[17:13] <dobey> no love
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> ste
[18:17] <cdepauw> I've been using ubuntu touch for about 5-6 mo
[18:17] <cdepauw> and my phone no longer associates with a carrier
[18:18] <cdepauw> I went to a store owned by the carrier t-mobile and they told me the service and card are working
[18:18] <cdepauw> they put the card into a different phone and were able to send/recieve calls
[18:19] <cdepauw> is there a reason ubuntu touch does not show a carrier in the cellular configuration screen?
[18:19] <cdepauw> I've tried 'choose carrier:' and 'Manually' from the Cellular configuration screen
[18:20] <cdepauw> and from the 'Carrier' screen, I choose refresh
[18:20] <cdepauw> but no carrier appears
[18:23] <pmcgowan> cdepauw, your modem may be off due to a recent bug
[18:24] <pmcgowan> under ubuntu that is
[18:25] <pmcgowan> cdepauw, check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/urfkill/+bug/1321627
[18:36] <cdepauw> pmcgowan i followed the steps that last person gave in the thread there
[18:36] <cdepauw> and now my service is back
[18:36] <cdepauw> pmcgowan: thank you so much!
[18:36] <pmcgowan> cdepauw, thats great and sorry for the trouble
[18:37] <dobey> how does a click app know to load the c++ qml plug-in code from inside it's click folder?
[18:42] <sarnold> dobey: iirc, there's a LD_PRELOAD set before the application is launched; this might also be useful for you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement/#Launching_applications
[18:43] <dobey> sarnold: is there an env var or something one can set to make aa-exec-click not simply abort when trying to launch an app under X?
[18:44] <sarnold> dobey: I think -x will do the job
[18:44] <cdepauw> pmcgowan I'm just glad there's a good shell on touch for making changes like that
[18:44] <pmcgowan> cdepauw, indeed
[18:44] <cdepauw> the keyboard seems great always, but for the terminal it seems lacking somehow
[18:45] <cdepauw> I guess that's just how it is though. I doubt the experience would be better on other platforms
[18:45] <pmcgowan> cdepauw, there are some options in terminal with long press and such
[18:45] <pmcgowan> cdepauw, if you are not on it the ubuntu-phone mailing list has such issues as you ran into
[18:46] <dobey> sarnold: hmm, with that i get "aa-exec: ERROR: Permission denied"
[18:50] <sarnold> dobey: oh, is this inside an LXC container?
[18:50] <sarnold> dobey: apparmor doesn't yet support nested apparmor profiles; since lxc uses apparmor to enforce some aspects of the container, you can't also use apparmor profiles within the container
[18:51] <dobey> sarnold: hmm. :-/
[18:52] <jjohansen1> dobey: if you turn off apparmor confinement on the container, you can setup an apparmor namespace for the container and use apparmor in the container
[18:52] <jjohansen1> dobey: note: that it will take some manual changes to do, as this isn't something supported by lxc atm
[18:53] <sarnold> jjohansen1: heh, elsewhere xnox suggested replacing aa-exec with an "exec" shell script. that's probably the path of least hassle :)
[18:53] <jjohansen1> so currently its either one or the other, with the ability to stack profiles scheduled to land for 15.04 atm (it could be 14.10 but it would probably be experimental)
[18:55] <asac> how long idle before the phone is supposed to switch off the screen?
[18:56] <AlbertA> asac: 60 secs
[19:00] <asac> thx
[19:59] <jdstrand> bfiller: hey, I was redoing my contact sync. I have contacts in google. all I need to do on the phone is add the google account, then select it and check Contacts, correct?
[20:03] <jdstrand> bfiller: yes, that seemed to work. something got messed up so I removed the google account, stopped lightdm, blew away all the syncevo and evo folders, started lightdm, added the account and it worked fine
[20:04] <jdstrand> not sure why it happened, but I had the old way of import and an alternate account in there
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> !devices
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> thatsmekaustubh_: check this site, or xda forums for fonepad
 can i pm you?
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> you can ask here
[20:14] <thatsmekaustubh_> I want to stay updated about discussions here from my android phone
[20:14] <thatsmekaustubh_> it is low end android 2.3 phone
[20:14] <thatsmekaustubh_> how do i stay connected?
[20:14] <thatsmekaustubh_> question not so related to ubuntu touch
[20:14] <thatsmekaustubh_> thats why i wanted to ask you in private
[20:15] <lotuspsychje> an android irc app?
[20:17] <thatsmekaustubh_> yes sort of I have already installed andchat
[20:18] <sarnold> thatsmekaustubh_: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/06/20/%23ubuntu-touch.html
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> sarnold: did you see the gallery app error yesterday, i was on irc from my n7
[20:19] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: oh yeah, that sounds a little familiar
[20:20] <lotuspsychje> sarnold: crashes on several version of touch on my nexus
[20:28] <bfiller> jdstrand: I think if you did the sync manually from the old days it would mess up the new way of adding the google account
[20:29] <jdstrand> yeah, that is what I figured
[20:29] <bfiller> jdstrand: but yes, simply adding the account and switching on the contacts setting should be all you need to do
[21:07] <AlbertA> jhodapp: so for http://paste.ubuntu.com/7675221/, which is the first test in the suite, I suppose gstreamer takes a while to start the first time - increasing the timeout helped out