[07:32] Good morning. === Haudegen_ is now known as Haudegen [10:41] morning. I'm about to be done with my latest mass merge proposal \o/ === Haudegen_ is now known as Haudegen [12:00] ok, with upower 0.99 we're losing suspend [12:03] Noskcaj: ^ [12:03] I'll take another look if we can somehow use ubuntu's logind === Haudegen is now known as OnkV === OnkV is now known as Haudegen [12:40] shadeslayer: ^ [12:41] as you looked at that last [12:46] TBH, I'm wondering why it's broken though, as with your upstart changes this should work.. [13:12] santa_: ping [13:13] sgclark: pong [13:14] what is the purpose of the bin packages? [13:15] 'Morning all [13:15] morning [13:17] sgclark: not shipping stuff in the library package which is not the library, this is a good practice in general because if the soname changes you won't have conflicting packages [13:17] supose you have libfoo5 [13:18] this package ships /usr/bin/whatever [13:19] then if you have a soname bump you will have libfoo6 [13:20] if libfoo6 ships again /usr/bin/whatever, you will have to declare a breaks/replaces against the old package [13:20] and that's undesirable [13:21] in fact debian's abi manager was created to avoid that kind of situations [13:21] santa_: thanks for the explanation :) merging these now [13:21] makes sense [13:22] sgclark: regarding binary compatibility soname bumps and everything let me find some links [13:33] sgclark: ok, found the stuff, here we go: [13:33] http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Binary_Compatibility_Issues_With_C++ [13:34] ↑ this one is about binary compatibility in general [13:34] http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html [13:34] http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html [13:35] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2011-March/001574.html [13:35] ↑ these 3 are about packaging [13:35] santa_: thanks! [13:36] when the kde frameworks abi becomes stable, ideally we should inspect the missing symbols from *.symbols files [13:37] most of them won't produce an abi break and would be fine [13:37] but when they do, they are various possible cases and strategies to follow [13:38] ok [13:39] sgclark: so when you are done reading that, feel free to give me a ping and I will explain you how abi breaks are handled in debian's kde packaging [13:39] santa_: ok great, thank you so much [13:40] I worked for debian for a few ¿years? until I got expelled for bad behaviour, so I have some practice dealing with abi breaks and other stuff [13:42] OT: " until I got expelled for bad behaviour" -> even acdc made a song about the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhgt6g78GTw [13:43] they forgot to mention I signed the ubuntu code of conduct though [13:54] Following the instructions here: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE#Installing_Project_Neon_5 and logging into my Neon5 session, under System Settings, I see duplicate Oxygen cursor themes. I assume that only occurs for people with both Plasma 4 and Neon5 installed together? Not a bug? [14:03] mparillo: not sure, if I remember I will check in a "kde 5" only installation [14:07] TY santa_ [14:10] santa_: you only have +Multi-Arch: foreign on some of these -data packages, is this on purpose? [14:11] sgclark: nope, I must have missed some, which ones? [14:13] ah, ok, fixing kparts... [14:14] yeah that one sorry, also santa_: it need Architecture: all [14:16] sgclark: resubmitted, let me know if you find more issues [14:19] Just in case it is a bug, I created https://bugs.launchpad.net/project-neon/+bug/1332825 P.S. Launchpad no longer routinely crashes Rekonq. [14:19] Ubuntu bug 1332825 in Project Neon "Duplicate Oxygen Cursor Themes" [Undecided,New] [14:28] https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/118865/ [15:00] santa_: sorry I am not clear, you do want depends -bin on the debug packages as well? [15:01] err recommends [15:01] yes, that was the idea [15:02] but probably I forgot some [15:03] ok ty [15:03] I will look out for others now [15:03] ok [15:38] santa_ now I see one with -data package also recommend -bin which I have not seen before, we need all to recommend -bin? [15:39] sgclark: nope, -data shouldn't recommend -bin, which one has that? [15:39] kconfig [15:43] sgclark: ah no, -data doesn't recommend it, but the other library [15:43] santa_: plasma-workspace and kauth will need to be reviewed by Riddell or someone else with more experience. They have items I am not well versed in yet and can't review properly. [15:43] I think each library should recommend -bin [15:43] but not -data [15:44] sgclark: ok, thank you for all you merged so far :) [15:44] santa_ oh my eyes playing tricks o me, my apologies.. merging [15:49] santa_: kmediaplayer needs information if you could [15:53] done [15:54] gosh it doesn't remove you merge request when merged? this is hard to keep track of what is done :( [15:55] nope. but should mark it as merged [15:55] in any case this link https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+activereviews shows only the active ones [15:56] santa_: I have to step out for a bit, I think I got most of them though. I will check back later this afternoon (I am in the US) [15:56] i.e. not merged or superseedeed [15:56] sgclark: ok thank you. have a nice day [15:56] oh nifty, thanks! [15:56] np, you too [17:03] santa_ kde-baseapps tar is up in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next/+packages, please note that this has not yet had full review by Riddell. But suggetstions welcome, ok really gone now. [20:37] yofel: Thanks for looking into kde upower. Now i only need someone who maintains sugar [20:57] meh, upower also broke the device notifier [21:02] Is that with a rebuild of the kde parts or just updating the version of upower in the OS? [21:08] latter for now, AFAIK kde uses mostly the dbus interface, not the lib [21:09] although I'm rebuilding kde-workspace too [21:09] kdelibs is also on the list [23:36] I've gotten two comments on my G+ repost of apachelogger's post about our ISOs for testing, that download is extremely slow [23:36] perhaps we should have a torrent file available [23:36] ? I would seed a torrent, and I'm sure others would as well [23:45] valorie: yeah, we talked about it briefly the other day, problem is we'd need an initial seed for which we have no setup right now [23:46] valorie: you could poke kde-sysadmin perhaps they have an idea how to speed up things, currently it all runs over the same server, if we had a couple of mirrors it would probably work a lot better [23:46] ok [23:50] I'll file a ticket if I don't get a reply in channel [23:58] also, from #kde-multimedia: [23:58] [14:36] http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/phonon-4-7-2-phonon-vlc-0-7-2-and-phonon-gstreamer-4-7-2/ [23:58] [14:36] longest title ever [23:58] [14:38] apachelogger: will we see this fixes backported to kub. 14.04 ? [23:59] * valorie hopes so