[07:32] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:41] <santa_> morning. I'm about to be done with my latest mass merge proposal \o/
[12:00] <yofel> ok, with upower 0.99 we're losing suspend
[12:03] <yofel> Noskcaj: ^
[12:03] <yofel> I'll take another look if we can somehow use ubuntu's logind
[12:40] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^
[12:41] <yofel> as you looked at that last
[12:46] <yofel> TBH, I'm wondering why it's broken though, as with your upstart changes this should work..
[13:12] <sgclark> santa_: ping
[13:13] <santa_> sgclark: pong
[13:14] <sgclark> what is the purpose of the bin packages?
[13:15] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:15] <sgclark> morning
[13:17] <santa_> sgclark: not shipping stuff in the library package which is not the library, this is a good practice in general because if the soname changes you won't have conflicting packages
[13:17] <santa_> supose you have libfoo5
[13:18] <santa_> this package ships /usr/bin/whatever
[13:19] <santa_> then if you have a soname bump you will have libfoo6
[13:20] <santa_> if libfoo6 ships again /usr/bin/whatever, you will have to declare a breaks/replaces against the old package
[13:20] <santa_> and that's undesirable
[13:21] <santa_> in fact debian's abi manager was created to avoid that kind of situations
[13:21] <sgclark> santa_: thanks for the explanation :) merging these now
[13:21] <sgclark> makes sense
[13:22] <santa_> sgclark: regarding binary compatibility soname bumps and everything let me find some links
[13:33] <santa_> sgclark: ok, found the stuff, here we go:
[13:33] <santa_> http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Binary_Compatibility_Issues_With_C++
[13:34] <santa_> ↑ this one is about binary compatibility in general
[13:34] <santa_> http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html
[13:34] <santa_> http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html
[13:35] <santa_> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2011-March/001574.html
[13:35] <santa_> ↑ these 3 are about packaging
[13:35] <sgclark> santa_: thanks!
[13:36] <santa_> when the kde frameworks abi becomes stable, ideally we should inspect the missing symbols from *.symbols files
[13:37] <santa_> most of them won't produce an abi break and would be fine
[13:37] <santa_> but when they do, they are various possible cases and strategies to follow
[13:38] <sgclark> ok
[13:39] <santa_> sgclark: so when you are done reading that, feel free to give me a ping and I will explain you how abi breaks are handled in debian's kde packaging
[13:39] <sgclark> santa_: ok great, thank you so much
[13:40] <santa_> I worked for debian for a few ¿years? until I got expelled for bad behaviour, so I have some practice dealing with abi breaks and other stuff
[13:42] <santa_> OT: " until I got expelled for bad behaviour" ->  even acdc made a song about the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhgt6g78GTw
[13:43] <santa_> they forgot to mention I signed the ubuntu code of conduct though
[13:54] <mparillo> Following the instructions here: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE#Installing_Project_Neon_5 and logging into my Neon5 session, under System Settings, I see duplicate Oxygen cursor themes. I assume that only occurs for people with both Plasma 4 and Neon5 installed together? Not a bug?
[14:03] <santa_> mparillo: not sure, if I remember I will check in a "kde 5" only installation
[14:07] <mparillo> TY santa_
[14:10] <sgclark> santa_: you only have +Multi-Arch: foreign on some of these -data packages, is this on purpose?
[14:11] <santa_> sgclark: nope, I must have missed some, which ones?
[14:13] <santa_> ah, ok, fixing kparts...
[14:14] <sgclark> yeah that one sorry, also santa_: it need Architecture: all
[14:16] <santa_> sgclark: resubmitted, let me know if you find more issues
[14:19] <mparillo> Just in case it is a bug, I created https://bugs.launchpad.net/project-neon/+bug/1332825  P.S. Launchpad no longer routinely crashes Rekonq.
[14:28] <santa_> https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/118865/
[15:00] <sgclark> santa_: sorry I am not clear, you do want depends -bin on the debug packages as well?
[15:01] <sgclark> err recommends
[15:01] <santa_> yes, that was the idea
[15:02] <santa_> but probably I forgot some
[15:03] <sgclark> ok ty
[15:03] <sgclark> I will look out for others now
[15:03] <santa_> ok
[15:38] <sgclark> santa_ now I see one with -data package also recommend -bin which I have not seen before, we need all to recommend  -bin?
[15:39] <santa_> sgclark: nope, -data shouldn't recommend -bin, which one has that?
[15:39] <sgclark> kconfig
[15:43] <santa_> sgclark: ah no, -data doesn't recommend it, but the other library
[15:43] <sgclark> santa_: plasma-workspace and kauth will need to be reviewed by Riddell or someone else with more experience. They have items I am not well versed in yet and can't review properly. 
[15:43] <santa_> I think each library should recommend -bin
[15:43] <santa_> but not -data
[15:44] <santa_> sgclark: ok, thank you for all you merged so far :)
[15:44] <sgclark> santa_ oh my eyes playing tricks o me, my apologies.. merging
[15:49] <sgclark> santa_: kmediaplayer needs information if you could
[15:53] <santa_> done
[15:54] <sgclark> gosh it doesn't remove you merge request when merged? this is hard to keep track of what is done :(
[15:55] <santa_> nope. but should mark it as merged
[15:55] <santa_> in any case this link https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+activereviews shows only the active ones
[15:56] <sgclark> santa_: I have to step out for a bit, I think I got most of them though. I will check back later this afternoon (I am in the US)
[15:56] <santa_> i.e. not merged or superseedeed
[15:56] <santa_> sgclark: ok thank you. have a nice day
[15:56] <sgclark> oh nifty, thanks!
[15:56] <sgclark> np, you too
[17:03] <sgclark> santa_ kde-baseapps tar is up in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next/+packages, please note that this has not yet had full review by Riddell. But suggetstions welcome, ok really gone now.
[20:37] <Noskcaj_> yofel: Thanks for looking into kde upower. Now i only need someone who maintains sugar
[20:57] <yofel> meh, upower also broke the device notifier
[21:02] <Noskcaj> Is that with a rebuild of the kde parts or just updating the version of upower in the OS?
[21:08] <yofel> latter for now, AFAIK kde uses mostly the dbus interface, not the lib
[21:09] <yofel> although I'm rebuilding kde-workspace too
[21:09] <yofel> kdelibs is also on the list
[23:36] <valorie> I've gotten two comments on my G+ repost of apachelogger's post about our ISOs for testing, that download is extremely slow
[23:36] <valorie> perhaps we should have a torrent file available
[23:36] <valorie> ? I would seed a torrent, and I'm sure others would as well
[23:45] <apachelogger> valorie: yeah, we talked about it briefly the other day, problem is we'd need an initial seed for which we have no setup right now
[23:46] <apachelogger> valorie: you could poke kde-sysadmin perhaps they have an idea how to speed up things, currently it all runs over the same server, if we had a couple of mirrors it would probably work a lot better
[23:46] <valorie> ok
[23:50] <valorie> I'll file a ticket if I don't get a reply in channel
[23:58] <valorie> also, from #kde-multimedia: 
[23:58] <valorie> [14:36] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/phonon-4-7-2-phonon-vlc-0-7-2-and-phonon-gstreamer-4-7-2/
[23:58] <valorie> [14:36] <apachelogger> longest title ever
[23:58] <valorie> [14:38] <valorie> apachelogger: will we see this fixes backported to kub. 14.04 ?
[23:59]  * valorie hopes so