[08:48] <foobarry> good morning
[08:55] <ali1234> (10:17:37) ali1234: if two people each have a secret number, is it possible for them to compute the bitwise-AND of their numbers, without either of them revealing their number to the other, and without a trusted third party?
[08:56] <ali1234> i just figured this out
[08:56] <ali1234> well, a weaker form. i don't need the actual result, just need to know if the result is true or false
[09:01] <ali1234> have each person commit to a random number, rotate their secret by the random number and then send it to the other person. the other person then rotates it by their random number and sends it back. then both people have both secret numbers rotated by an unknown number of steps. AND'ing it will produce the same number of one bits, but you can't get back the original numbers
[09:02] <ali1234> the application here is implementing line-of-sight in a networked game with no central server
[09:08] <ali1234> hmm wait that won't work, you can discover the other person's random number by re-rotating your own input
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> are you trying to re-invent DH?
[09:10] <ali1234> probably
[09:10] <ali1234> what is DH?
[09:11] <directhex> diffie-hellman?
[09:12] <ali1234> oh. no, i don't think so
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> yes that one
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> "The Diffie–Hellman key exchange method allows two parties that have no prior knowledge of each other to jointly establish a shared secret key over an insecure communications channel."
[09:12] <ali1234> that's not what i am trying to do at all
[09:23] <ali1234> so i can fix this if there is a way to deterministically shuffle the bits in a binary string that can't be reversed without knowing the input...
[09:31] <foobarry> use a one way hash?
[09:32] <ali1234> that won't preserve the ability to do a bitwise AND and get the same answer
[09:32] <ali1234> unless it's a specially designed hash function
[09:36] <foobarry> have you asked stackoverlow?
[09:39] <ali1234> i've found they're not very helpful with this kind of question
[09:42] <ali1234> actually such a hash should be quite easy to implement... (famous last words)
[09:52] <foobarry> even the mathmeticians?
[09:52] <ali1234> especially the mathematicians
[09:53] <foobarry> i implemented one and two way hashes in C a long time ago but can't remember much
[09:53] <foobarry> much/anything
[10:05] <ali1234> hmm i think this should work
[10:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:35] <ali1234> does ubuntu touch qml have a messaging api?
[10:36] <ali1234> (instant messaging)
[10:41] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:44]  * penguin42 yaaawwwwnnns at bigcalm
[12:13] <mapps> afternoon all
[12:40] <daftykins> heya
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[17:00] <daftykins> how wude
[17:00] <popey> indeed!
[17:01] <daftykins> you know i can understand abuse toward say, channels for Windows, but it's kinda weird toward the FOSS communities
[17:01] <daftykins> kinda biting the hand that feeds
[17:02] <popey> people are dicks
[17:02] <popey> film at 11
[17:03] <daftykins> :)
[17:03] <daftykins> i wonder where that phrasing came from
[17:03] <foobarry> bit early in the day to be drunk/teenager
[17:04] <mapps> No Foreign Transaction Fees (typically 2.95% when using your card abroad).
[17:05] <mapps> so if i use my card abroad they wont charge me anything extra at all?
[17:05] <mapps> hmm
[17:05] <mapps> sounds too good to be true
[17:20] <penguin42> mapps: That the Halifax clarity?
[17:52] <mapps> nah penguin42 Lloyds Amex
[17:52] <mapps> http://www.lloydsbank.com/credit-cards/avios-rewards.asp
[17:52] <penguin42> ah
[17:52] <mapps> you get 2 cards for 1 ac lol
[17:52] <penguin42> mapps: The Halifax is advertising the same claim
[17:52] <mapps> a mastercard and an amex
[17:52] <mgdm> Not much in the UK seems to use Amex
[17:52] <mapps> yea i saw that
[17:52] <mapps> yea i noticed that mgdm
[17:53] <mgdm> ah, I see, if you get an MC that makes it useful
[17:53] <mapps> thing is its handy to have a card with no fees abroad...ive never used my cards abroad because im sure they charge
[17:53] <mgdm> (thr reason is that Amex puts far more of the risk onto retailers rather than themselves, and is quite expensive to handle IIRC)
[17:53] <mapps> yea a mastercard for when they dont take amex
[17:53] <penguin42> mapps: I'm not sure, but I suspect one of the tricks is that since they don't actually have to move currency around it's cheaper for them to do currency exchange
[17:53] <mapps> what do you mean?
[17:54] <penguin42> mapps: If I'm in the UK and I pay a EU vendor on my card, then Mastercard doesn't actually have to do a sterling/Euro conversion as long as they have some EU people wanting to buy some stuff from the UK - it's only the amount they settle with the merchants
[17:54] <mapps> ah
[17:55] <mapps> but most credit cards still charge fees for use abroad
[17:55] <mapps> which is mad lame
[17:55] <penguin42> yes
[17:55] <mapps> so im happy to have this amex/mc from lloyds
[17:56] <mapps> handy to have when im abroad..i took a cc with me when i was in czech rep..but didnt wanna use really
[17:57] <mapps> hard remembering all the pins tho
[17:57] <mapps> 4 debit cards/7 credit cards
[17:58]  * penguin42 hasn't used one abroad yet, but in the UK I use it for everything
[17:58] <mapps> all diff pints
[17:58] <mapps> pins
[17:58] <mapps> only time i use debit card is when they say theyre gonna charge more
[17:58] <mapps> like expedia charge 5% if you book on a credit card
[17:58] <mapps> ;[
[17:59] <mapps> and jet2 charge..so clearly not gonna pay that
[18:19] <ali1234> i heard expedia takes bitcoin now
[22:04] <daftykins> anyone own an internet connected xbox 360 and fancy trying something for me? :)
[22:31] <popey> daftykins: i do have such a device
[22:31] <popey> but I can't be arsed to move ☻
[22:32] <daftykins> ;D
[22:32] <daftykins> popey: isn't that what kids are for? ;)
[22:32] <popey> heh, they're in bed ☻
[22:32] <daftykins> oh yeah it's late, heh
[22:33] <daftykins> not to worry, got at least one other confirmation that dashboard videos don't play, very disappointing Microsoft!
[22:47]  * bigcalm nabs Skyrim before bed time
[22:49] <bigcalm> And Duck Tails
[22:50] <bigcalm> People keep going on about Papers, Please. Guess I should get that as well