[00:01] <Bashing-om> zartoosh: Many times, if one boots with the grub boot parameter 'nomodeset' then install the proprietary driver from "Additional Drivers" all is OK,. Is this what you have in mind ?
[00:01] <Bashing-om> cuddylier: You want the later version of grub in 14.04 .
[00:04] <zartoosh> Bashing-om, yes that is what I want, I can not find where in grub.conf to add this option? thx
[00:04] <tiglionabbit> I’m having trouble setting up ldap+kerberos account management.  http://askubuntu.com/questions/486131/having-trouble-setting-up-ldap-and-kerberos
[00:07] <Bashing-om> zartoosh: Boot ubuntu, as soon as the bios screen clears, depress and hold the right shift key -> grub boot menu; press the 'e' key for edit mode -> boot parameter screen; arrow down and across to the terms "quiet splash" and insert also nomodeset. key combo ctl+x to contine the boot process.
[00:08] <zartoosh> Bashing-om, thank you so much
[00:09] <Bashing-om> zartoosh: : ) ... let us know how it goes.
[00:13] <Grant_P> Hello All what kernel release was before 3.13.0-24-generic? Pretty sure recent kernel upgrades has fkd my sound.
[00:15] <Fyodorovna> Grant_P, It is not in your grub menu, did you remove it?
[00:15] <Grant_P> Fyodorovna: Nope not in the grub menu, suspect it got auto removed
[00:16] <Ben64> Grant_P: they don't get autoremoved
[00:16] <Fyodorovna> Grant_P, Does not get auto removed unless you have set that up.
[00:16] <daftykins> Grant_P: ls /boot
[00:16] <Ben64> Grant_P: what version of ubuntu?
[00:16] <daftykins> has to be trusty with a 3.13 i'd think
[00:17] <Fyodorovna> Grant_P, If you run sudo update-grub how many kernel set do you see?
[00:17] <Fyodorovna> sets*
[00:17] <Grant_P> Ben64: Fyodorovna Running 14.04 and ls /boot is only showing me one newer kernel which is also broke.
[00:18] <Grant_P> Fyodorovna: Ben64 3.13.0-24 and 3.13.0-29
[00:18] <daftykins> what kind of sound setup have you got that's changed?
[00:19] <Grant_P> daftykins: I'm using Meridian Explorer DAC which was working perfectly, box had been up 30 days. There was power maintenance, took the box down and brought it back up and had no sound.
[00:19] <Fyodorovna> Grant_P, 3.13.0-24 is the last one
[00:19] <Grant_P> Fyodorovna: ah really so no kernel upgrades before -24? Damn, well this sucks lol.
[00:20] <Fyodorovna> Grant_P, Depends when you installed.
[00:20] <Grant_P> Fyodorovna: Fresh install 14.04 pretty much at release time.
[00:20] <cuddylier> What's the best sftp ubuntu command line client?
[00:21] <Grant_P> Fyodorovna: I tried a few of the steps here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure but still no luck.
[00:22] <Fyodorovna> Grant_P, I would know nothing on sound issues.
[00:22] <Grant_P> Fyodorovna: really need to pay more attention on the updates been pushed through, happened once before too.
[00:22] <Grant_P> Fyodorovna: Does Ubuntu maintain some kernel release page for 14.04?
[00:22] <potato_farmer> cuddylier: lftp is a good one
[00:23] <potato_farmer> cuddylier: But it's not ubuntu specific.
[00:23] <cuddylier> potato_farmer: Does it support SFTP, yeah?
[00:23] <potato_farmer> cuddylier: Yes, it supports sftp.
[00:23] <Fyodorovna> Grant_P, I'm just looking for what was the kernel at release, as 3.13.0-24 is an upgrade from it.
[00:25] <Kouen> hello
[00:25] <Fyodorovna> Grant_P, here are some release notes if that helps, not sure on your last question without googling. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes
[00:25] <Grant_P> Fyodorovna: Cool, just found the same page. Looks like 13.13.0-24.46
[00:26] <tortib> I followed the how to on how to setup iptable rules on my ubuntu-server installation.  However, when I rebooted the machine it did not load the /etc/iptables.rules file with all the rules in it.  Is there something else I have to do?  The how to only said to use sh -c "iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules"
[00:27] <Grant_P> Fyodorovna: 3.13.0-24.47 is the one on my machine. There must be small differences between .46 and .47
[00:27] <Bashing-om> Fyodorovna: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ <- all the kernels. Best I recall the -24 kernel was the release version.
[00:27] <tortib> oh I see I need to add it to /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/
[00:27] <tortib> nm :)
[00:28] <Kouen> hello bezet
[00:28] <Fyodorovna> Bashing-om, Does not matter to me but thanks, I install all developments immediately and never have kernel problems, so not on my radar.
[00:29] <Kouen> Welcome Mustafa1968
[00:29] <Mustafa1968> hello Kouen
[00:39] <Richhh> keyboard shortcut to delete til end of line in terminal?
[00:40] <Richhh> C-k
[00:40] <Richhh> got it
[00:42] <Richhh> how bout delete a word after the cursor?
[00:44]  * _C3r34l_ pinging
[00:44] <bekks> Richhh: alt+d
[00:45] <Richhh> nope
[00:47] <Richhh> don't like alt+f , ctrl+w
[00:47] <Guest48378> Richhh, please open a terminal and read "man bash" => section "Commands for Changing Text"
[00:48] <Richhh> kk
[00:48] <_C3r34l_> how do remove  a user from sudo'ers list?
[00:48] <Ben64> _C3r34l_: remove them from the sudo group
[00:49] <Richhh> what's M-d?
[00:49] <Richhh> @ Guest48378
[00:50] <_C3r34l_> I am 15 and just started using.. Steps pls?
[00:51] <kostkon> _C3r34l_, welcome
[00:51] <kostkon> !manual | _C3r34l_
[00:52] <Guest48378> Richhh, M-d => [ Meta ] [ d ] => read section "Readline Notation" in "man bash" for an explanation of how to use key combinations
[00:52] <_C3r34l_> ubottu i meant removing a user from sudoers list!
[00:52] <_C3r34l_> Lol
[00:53] <gr33n7007h> _C3r34l_, edit file: /etc/sudoers
[00:53] <Ben64> gr33n7007h: incorrect
[00:53] <Ben64> _C3r34l_: "sudo deluser <user> sudo"
[00:54] <Ben64> _C3r34l_: be very careful with that command though, and don't remove every user that has sudo
[00:54] <_C3r34l_> Thx Ben64
[00:54] <MrSendova> _c3r34l_: you can also use  visudo (read man visudo)
[00:55] <_C3r34l_> Btw the second sudo is for the group rt?
[01:06] <cuddylier> Does anyone know the lftp command to connect to SFTP? I can't get it
[01:10] <gr33n7007h> cuddylier, What command are you trying?
[01:10] <cuddylier> lftp then
[01:10] <cuddylier> open -u root,[password] -p [ip]
[01:10] <cuddylier> Then I typed 'ls'
[01:10] <cuddylier> ls' at 0 [FEAT negotiation...]
[01:10] <cuddylier> Then it sticks at that
[01:10] <cuddylier> This is SFTP btw, port 22
[01:11] <cuddylier> I meant for command open -u root,[password] -p [port] [ip]
[01:11] <cuddylier> gr33n7007h
[01:12] <gr33n7007h> cuddylier, lftp sftp://root@whatever.null:22
[01:13] <cuddylier> gr33n7007h: That worked, thanks a lot.
[01:13] <gr33n7007h> cuddylier, np!
[01:16] <Faloon> fla ae galera !! alguem sabe como  q faiz pro playonlinux abrir
[01:16] <Faloon> pq tipo eu clico nele
[01:16] <jamdav> :set theme default
[01:16] <Faloon> e nd acontece
[01:16] <Faloon> ??
[01:16] <Faloon> alguem sabe ??
[01:16] <Ben64> !br | Faloon
[01:16] <cuddylier> gr33n7007h: Now for downloading, I did 'queue pget [file].zip' then 'queue start' but it shows nothing up? Is it actually transferring?
[01:18] <Faloon> sim
[01:23] <rsvp> when can we expect the point release 14.04.1 ??
[01:26] <daftykins> rsvp: the date is listed online, easily searchable
[01:26] <daftykins> it's in July
[01:28] <rsvp> thanks, it's nice to be able to easily ask.
[01:29] <daftykins> ¬_¬
[01:29] <daftykins> lazy people using IRC as a search engine substitute, tsk tsk
[01:29] <Fyodorovna> all day and all night probably 75% are
[01:29] <daftykins> :)
[01:33] <Xaitec> any one here using the AMD APU on linux?
[01:33] <daftykins> Xaitec: what would your actual question be?
[01:34] <Xaitec> daftykins: how well the integrated graphics performs
[01:35] <daftykins> that would be an odd thing to quantify
[01:36] <Akiba_> hey guys
[01:36] <Akiba_> hey correctico
[01:38] <Akiba_> guys
[01:38] <Akiba_> can anyone help me with something?
[01:38] <daftykins> only if you ask a question
[01:38] <Akiba_> lol ok
[01:38] <Akiba_> first of all can i base my own distro off of ubuntu?
[01:39] <daftykins> there are a fair few already, are you sure you need to reinvent the wheel?
[01:39] <Akiba_> i was going to do it for my specific line of products
[01:40] <daftykins> what are they?
[01:40] <Akiba_> computers sort of how apple has mac and mac os x
[01:41]  * Fyodorovna rolls their eyes
[01:42] <Akiba_> making ubuntu a little bit easier to use and slightly safer out of box
[01:42] <Akiba_> with a different ui
[01:42] <daftykins> lawl.
[01:42] <Akiba_> ?
[01:43] <daftykins> well, no such questions would really relate to support then i'd think
[01:43] <Akiba_> would programming relate to support?
[01:45] <Aki-Thinkpad> Akiba_, hey what do you need to know?
[01:45]  * Aki-Thinkpad just got here
[01:46] <sveta> yes, you can ask programming questions here
[01:47] <Aki-Thinkpad> Akiba_, what ui do you want to base your products on?
[01:48] <Akiba_> sort of home grown
[01:48] <Ben64> doesn't sound on topic for here really
[01:48] <Aki-Thinkpad> Ben64, perhaps he would find #mint more appropriate
[01:48] <Aki-Thinkpad> They would be able to relate to him better
[01:48] <Akiba_> lol
[01:49] <Akiba_> mint has no one
[01:49] <Ben64> well its definitely not ubuntu support
[01:49] <daftykins> !mint
[01:49] <daftykins> they're on a different network
[01:49] <Aki-Thinkpad> Akiba_, here, i'll send you a pm, give you a bit of a run down
[01:49] <Akiba_> aight thanks
[01:56] <micheal_> Hello, I'm attempting to make an Ubuntu-based custom LiveCD and having trouble. Is this where I should ask, or is there a more specific channel?
[01:56] <holstein> micheal_: not really a "better" place.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[01:57] <holstein> micheal_: it can be challenging.. its not really something in the default work flow..
[01:57] <micheal_> holstein, tried that, followed the "from scratch" guide, having a very odd error when the image boots...
[01:57] <holstein> micheal_: sure.. just elaborate, if you want
[01:59] <micheal_> The intent of the image is to create a headless server, using NoDM. When it boots, it appears to go just fine, no error messages, then suddenly says "Authentication error" about ten times in a row and stops.
[01:59] <micheal_> I've tried using LightDM and purging NoDM, so that doesn't seem to be the problem.
[01:59] <holstein> micheal_: you can use the server iso for that..
[01:59] <holstein> !Mini
[02:00] <holstein> i might just get an install, and clone it, instead of doing a live CD
[02:00] <RLW980> Hello guys
[02:00] <RLW980> how do i make a bootable usb
[02:00] <cuddylier> Anyone any idea why 14.04 server isn't reading my /etc/network/interfaces file even after doing 'ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0'?
[02:01] <micheal_> Yes, but the idea is that I can just use unetbootin or whatever to boot off of a usb drive, no hard drive. Every time I've tried to install to a usb drive it fails
[02:01] <RLW980> from ubuntu to windows
[02:01] <holstein> micheal_: you can install to USB, or whatever you like
[02:01] <Fyodorovna> RLW980, A windows ISO on a usb?
[02:02] <holstein> micheal_: i think that would be easier to address.. how to get a bootable USB working, rather than how to build a custom OS from scratch
[02:02] <RLW980> Fyodorovna: Yes
[02:02] <holstein> RLW980: i use unetbootin
[02:02] <Fyodorovna> RLW980, What windows release?
[02:02] <holstein> RLW980: you can dd copy the iso's as well
[02:02] <RLW980> Fyodorovna:Windows 7
[02:03] <RLW980> holstein: and can you
[02:03] <holstein> RLW980: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[02:04] <micheal_> holstein: I'm not sure why, but every time I've tried installing Ubuntu to a USB, it fails partway through.
[02:04] <Fyodorovna> RLW980, http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/tool-to-create-windows-usb-install.html and another, you can just extract and give the fat32 a bootflag just additional beyond what has been suggested.
[02:05] <holstein> micheal_: ok.. you can elaborate if you like.. about "fails".. otherwise, could be the stick, or you are running out of space.. you have used the mini iso? or the server iso?
[02:05] <RLW980> Fyodorovna: Thanks
[02:06] <micheal_> holstein: Usually I use the standard Xubuntu desktop. I haven't tried using the other isos, but... I'm honestly not sure what goes wrong. Everything just starts acting really weird for a while, then it will just lock up at different points in the setup.
[02:06] <micheal_> holstein: I've tried different sticks, different computers, and there's plenty of RAM. It's very strange.
[02:08] <holstein> micheal_: you say you want headless, so why not try the mini iso? its literally 30 mb's.. download it and try an install to the stick
[02:08] <RLW980> I shall get on with it i shall let you know guys if it worked or not
[02:08] <holstein> micheal_: i *never* have a stick install fail like that, unless im putting grub somewhere problematic.. your internet could be a common factor.. you can confirm the md5 sums..
[02:09] <holstein> !md5
[02:09] <micheal_> holstein: I didn't know about the mini. Thought server was the only other option there. I've used that same image many times.
[02:09] <holstein> micheal_: try the mini iso, friend
[02:09] <holstein> !mini
[02:09] <holstein> micheal_: its small, and you can have a test case reported here in a few minutes about installing to the stick
[02:10] <micheal_> holstein: Will do. Thanks.
[02:11] <golazo> How do I get started with programming on Ubuntu?
[02:11] <holstein> golazo: same as any os really.. but this is more the support channel.. what are you interested in accomplishing?
[02:12] <holstein> golazo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/BashScripting http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[02:13] <golazo> Thanks!
[02:13] <dsrikarreddy> Hey Guys
[02:13] <dsrikarreddy> I need some information about VPN
[02:13] <daftykins> !vpn
[02:13] <_44trent> so i installed ubuntu and now i keep getting mei_me 0000:00:03.0: timer: connect/disconnect timeout and i don't have any idea what to do
[02:14] <dsrikarreddy> i have connected to VPN, accessed internet and then disconnected VPN
[02:14] <dsrikarreddy> Facebook was not opening
[02:14] <micheal_> holstein: How would you recommend I install it? I could do some VM thing, but is there a way to use ubiquity from my already running computer?
[02:14] <holstein> micheal_: the "VM thing" ?
[02:15] <dsrikarreddy> ubottu:
[02:15] <holstein> micheal_: i suggest, putting the installation media and source on the same machine, and installing as normal as possible.. especially since you seem to be having issues
[02:15] <holstein> dsrikarreddy: ubottu is a bot
[02:15] <dsrikarreddy> oops
[02:15] <micheal_> holstein: Running VirtualBox with the mini-image, attaching my chosen USB device to the VM. I've had trouble with VBox's usb.
[02:15] <golazo> lol
[02:15] <holstein> dsrikarreddy: you are connected to *what* vpn?
[02:16] <_44trent> so does anyone know what that means?
[02:16] <dsrikarreddy> holstein: My company VPN
[02:16] <holstein> micheal_: if the goal is to install onto a USB stick, just do that.. keep it simple
[02:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> hey I need a search program who will search directories, and the text itself inside the files
[02:16] <dsrikarreddy> accessed internal websites and then disconnected it
[02:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> any suggestions
[02:16] <holstein> dsrikarreddy: your "company" likely block facebook.. see that you are on the VPN, and take up any connectivity issues with the VPN maintainers
[02:16] <Ben64> Aki-Thinkpad: grep?
[02:17] <_44trent> anyone?
[02:17] <dsrikarreddy> holstein: will the internet be accessed thro VPN only after disconnecting ?
[02:17] <daftykins> _44trent: so the live session ran fine enough to install?
[02:17] <dsrikarreddy> holstein: or is just because of firefox settings ?
[02:18] <_44trent> er i used the minimal cd download
[02:18] <holstein> dsrikarreddy: its not my network, friend.. i cant speak for what you are allowed to connect to there
[02:18] <_44trent> I didn't see anything about live session
[02:18] <holstein> _44trent: looks like uefi related..
[02:18] <holstein> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=168403 for example, in the arch wiki _44trent .. though i just skimmed..
[02:18] <holstein> !uefi
[02:19] <holstein> _44trent: you could try blacklisting that module.. i think that would tell you something
[02:19] <daftykins> _44trent: mini.iso ?
[02:19] <_44trent> yep mini.iso
[02:19] <dsrikarreddy> holstein: My question is , will the internet be accessed thro VPN even after disconnectiing
[02:19] <daftykins> _44trent: why?
[02:20] <_44trent> well i don't have any blank dvds only had blank cds
[02:20] <dsrikarreddy> holstein: or was that just because of firefox configuration when VPN got connected to VPN
[02:20] <holstein> dsrikarreddy: "even after disconnecting" ? from what?
[02:21] <dsrikarreddy> holstein: from VPN
[02:21] <_44trent> tthe problem is that i can't type anything cause the error comes up all the time
[02:21] <holstein> dsrikarreddy: you are on your network, you connect to whatever your network connects to.. you connect to VPN, you get what the VPN supports and allows, if its not your VPN.. you disconnect from VPN, you are back to your network.. assuming you implement all of that properly
[02:21] <qstrahl> Trying to log out of my main account in Unity on 14.04 seems to take forever. Like on the order of a minute or two. Anyone happen to have a clue why that could be?
[02:21] <holstein> !tty | _44trent
[02:22] <holstein> _44trent: try a different tty, if you can
[02:22] <daftykins> qstrahl: guest session acts fine?
[02:22] <qstrahl> daftykins, Yup
[02:22] <qstrahl> daftykins, Main account is encrypted; possibly relevant?
[02:22] <dsrikarreddy> holstein: thanks
[02:23] <_44trent> tht didn't work
[02:23] <mark06> how do I download only the orig.tar.gz for a package?
[02:23] <daftykins> qstrahl: i know nothing about encryption, beyond the numbers of people that come in here with issues with it. i know people look for the .xsession-errors file in ~/ when they have issues logging in, i wonder if anything on logout logs to there too? total guess.
[02:23] <holstein> _44trent: that?
[02:24] <_44trent> none of them up to f6 worked
[02:24] <qstrahl> daftykins, Doesn't look like there's anything of substance in there. Thanks though!
[02:24] <holstein> _44trent: you should be able to edit a blacklist file from a live CD, if you cant figure out how to get around the output
[02:24] <holstein> _44trent: i would try screen.. or, just open a file with nano and edit..
[02:24] <holstein> or, install a desktop environment...
[02:25] <Fyodorovna> mark06, google package.tar.gz  beyond that what package?
[02:25] <_44trent> yeah the mini.iso didn't come with any gui did it?
[02:25] <holstein> _44trent: `correct.. the mini iso is minimal. what is the goal here? to have a full system?
[02:26] <_44trent> i think in the installation they had options for gnome, kde, and xfce so ill reinstall and see what happens
[02:26] <_44trent> don't know about unity
[02:26] <holstein> _44trent: `no.. you can just add waht you like now
[02:27] <holstein> _44trent: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop for example
[02:27] <jabarFed> hello
[02:27] <_44trent> yeah but the error comes up so often i can't even log in
[02:27] <holstein> _44trent: you should try
[02:27] <_44trent> mmk
[02:27] <holstein> _44trent: i'll likely go  through.. your login attempt
[02:29] <_44trent> im gonna do
[02:29] <daftykins> _44trent: i have found a relevant link
[02:29] <_44trent> whoops
[02:29] <_44trent> didn't mean to put that in
[02:29] <_44trent> what is the link?
[02:29] <daftykins> _44trent: as you were suggested to try earlier, it involves blacklisting a module, as these messages may relate to the intel vpro tech. you can either try that, or look in your BIOS/EFI for vpro related options - though likely it's not user configurable
[02:30] <daftykins> _44trent: http://askubuntu.com/questions/419853/mei-me-unexpected-reset
[02:30] <_44trent> Well then ill have to do that live image thing holstein mentioned
[02:30] <daftykins> _44trent: as a one time thing, run: sudo rmmod mei_me mei
[02:31] <holstein> first, get logged in.. ignore the output and login
[02:32] <_44trent> got logged in
[02:32] <_44trent> no output is coming out now
[02:32] <_44trent> i might be able to pull this off now
[02:32] <daftykins> _44trent: we don't need a running commentary
[02:32] <Vorenii> Hello
[02:33] <_44trent> whoops i have a verrrry bad habit of doing that and end up nnoying a bunch of people which is well bad
[02:33] <Vorenii> Is it possible to do a full install without a dvd or usb? Like maybe partition the disc myself etc?
[02:34] <holstein> Vorenii: yes
[02:34] <_44trent> rmod is not a recognized command
[02:34] <daftykins> _44trent: rmmod.
[02:34] <Vorenii> holstein, are to elaborate please?
[02:34] <holstein> Vorenii: i suggest not doing that.. it will be much easier to just make bootable media.. though, from an installer, you can partition manually as you please
[02:34] <_44trent> whoops im blind
[02:35] <Vorenii> holstein, i really have no usb or dvd near me. Yet rly want to start playing with ubuntu again.
[02:35] <mark06> Fyodorovna: wat? just found it, origtargz tool
[02:35] <holstein> Vorenii: use VM
[02:35] <daftykins> Vorenii: what's your host OS?
[02:35] <holstein> Vorenii: virtualbox.. etc
[02:35] <Vorenii> Windows 7
[02:35] <_44trent> there got that part in
[02:35] <Vorenii> And i dont want a VM, i want it dual booted.
[02:35] <daftykins> Vorenii: yeah, as holstein says... you're not going to magic ubuntu onto the disk alongside windows without boot media
[02:36] <_44trent> well, now what?
[02:36] <holstein> Vorenii: go for it.. there will be many guides on how to take a slice of your hard drive, after *much* pain, and boot installable ubuntu there and, again, after much pain, and hopefully not breaking your drive, install to another partition
[02:36] <_44trent> where do i need to go to blacklist that?
[02:36] <daftykins> _44trent: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install <desktop of your choice>
[02:36] <daftykins> _44trent: ubuntu-desktop if you want standard unity
[02:37] <_44trent> ok
[02:37] <holstein> Vorenii: what would i do? in order.. install ubuntu with *any* installable media.. put a fork in my eye.. install from any os using one drive as the source and destination. .though, it can be done..
[02:39] <_44trent> wait did the command from earlier blacklist it?
[02:39] <holstein> _44trent: what command specifically?
[02:40] <daftykins> the rmmod.
[02:40] <_44trent> the one that had rmmod in it
[02:40] <daftykins> _44trent: one thing. at a time.
[02:40] <pumice> how can i tell if thunderbolt is working?
[02:41] <daftykins> pumice: plug a thunderbolt device in?
[02:41] <holstein> pumice: i would just plug something in and test..
[02:41] <_44trent> according to my google search tht did blacklist it
[02:41] <pumice> it is a system i am setting up for developer, i do not have tb device
[02:42] <daftykins> then you cannot test.
[02:42] <holstein> pumice: you'll need to get one
[02:42] <pumice> i do have tb monitor it works but i want to make sure driver is loading
[02:42] <_44trent> well then thanks
[02:43] <_44trent> hopefully i don't have any more problems
[02:43] <pumice> no place to check what drivers are loaded?
[02:44] <daftykins> loading a driver != using a device
[02:45] <holstein> pumice: it doesnt really matter, though.. you are not promised thunderbolt support for linux from the creators of the hardare.. so, you will need to test with actual hardware
[02:46] <pumice> thunderbolt monitor does work and running correct res
[02:51] <_44trent> erm now its telling me something about failing to fetch some files when i do sudo apt-get update
[02:52] <_44trent> since it told me to do that when i tried to get ubuntu-desktop
[02:52] <_44trent> is that normal???
[02:53] <_44trent> whoops didn't mean to put all of those question marks
[02:54] <_44trent> anyone?
[02:56] <_44trent> did nyone catch what i just said
[02:57] <holstein> _44trent: its normal if you are not online
[02:57] <_44trent> Oh.
[02:57] <_44trent> aparrently im not
[02:57] <_44trent> what is the commnd to connect to wifi?
[02:57] <holstein> _44trent: make sure you are connected.. sudo apt-get update should complete with no error.. otherwise, you will have issues going on any further
[02:58] <holstein> _44trent: i wouldnt.. i would just plug it in, wired.. then, add whatever desktop i want, which will come with a network manager
[02:58] <holstein> _44trent: or, you can just download lubuntu or xubuntu and start that way.. might be easeier
[02:58] <holstein> easier*
[02:59] <_44trent> i have no idea where the ethernet cord is i don't usually go where i am currently
[02:59] <_44trent> So i know next to nothing about where stuff is
[02:59] <holstein> _44trent: thats the easy way... http://blog.tplus1.com/blog/2008/06/13/how-to-connect-to-a-wireless-network-from-the-ubuntu-command-line/
[03:00] <daftykins> _44trent: does "ifconfig -a" show a "wlan0" ?
[03:00] <daftykins> or similar.
[03:00] <_44trent> no
[03:00] <daftykins> anything?
[03:01] <_44trent> local loopback
[03:01] <_44trent> waitwaitwait
[03:01] <_44trent> I really need to read more carefully next time
[03:01] <_44trent> I see wlan0 on there
[03:02] <_44trent> well then
[03:02] <micheal_> holstein: So I've been installing the mini image this whole time. It's taking forever.
[03:03] <Sunstream> so
[03:03] <_44trent> now what i do i did actually see a wlan0
[03:03] <holstein> micheal_: shouldnt.. i specifically suggested it because its faster.. i can do a normal install pretty quick as well..
[03:03] <daftykins> _44trent: are you a goldfish> you were given a link
[03:03] <holstein> micheal_: well, i shouldnt say its faster.. its smaller, and doesnt take as long..
[03:03] <micheal_> holstein: I dunno. The network isn't the problem, it's on the unpacking phase now.
[03:04] <_44trent> ...
[03:04] <_44trent> sorry
[03:04] <holstein> micheal_: you shouldnt be using the network.. just install without accessing the network
[03:04] <micheal_> holstein: Well you didn't mention that. I assumed it would give me a chance to tell it what I wanted before installing everything.
[03:05] <holstein> micheal_: here is what i suggest, friend. *just* get an install booting on a stick.. period
[03:05] <micheal_> holstein: Okay, well I'm restarting the install then
[03:05] <holstein> micheal_: dont install extra packages, or set it up.. or add anything.. especially during install. just install the mini iso as-is on the stick, and test booting it
[03:06] <holstein> thats all we are testing for.. can you boot a usb stick with ubuntu installed on it..
[03:06] <micheal_> holstein: It's not letting me install without the internet.
[03:07] <holstein> micheal_: ok...
[03:07] <holstein> it works for me
[03:07] <micheal_> It keeps going in a loop of "pick a mirror, mirror failed, pick a mirror"
[03:08] <holstein> micheal_: then, pick a mirror, and dont install anything
[03:08] <micheal_> I can't continue because the mirror fails.
[03:09] <micheal_> It doesn't give me an option to choose what I will install before it goes ahead and does it
[03:09] <holstein> micheal_: what are you saying? friend?
[03:09] <holstein> micheal_: if you need to connect, connect.. just make the steps complete, and dont install any extra packages
[03:09] <micheal_> I'm not sure what's unclear about this. Without the network, it will not proceed. With the network, it doesn't ask me what I want. It just installs everything.
[03:10] <holstein> micheal_: ok
[03:11] <daftykins> that's not how a mini ISO works
[03:11] <micheal_> I think it would disagree.
[03:11] <holstein> sounds like its not the mini iso..
[03:11] <micheal_> Because that's how it's working.
[03:11] <micheal_> I don't know what to tell you. I got the mini iso. It downloads everything.
[03:12] <daftykins> which ISO? got a link?
[03:12] <daftykins> i did a mini install just the other day and if you select the correct options, it just installs the most basic possible
[03:13] <micheal_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD 64-bit trusty tahr.
[03:13] <holstein> yup..
[03:13] <daftykins> but you need to have your wits about you, don't even select "base system" or whatever it says at the top
[03:13] <holstein> ^ just the minimal packages
[03:13] <holstein> select no additional software
[03:13] <daftykins> you just run through with the bare essentials
[03:13] <holstein> micheal_: maybe thats where the issue is.. you are asking it to install something
[03:13] <daftykins> then you get a setup akin to a bare server install
[03:14] <daftykins> occam's razor, gentlemen
[03:16] <micheal_> Okay I just did it again. Immediately after choosing the partition, it gives me no options.
[03:16] <daftykins> i'm creating a VM for fun
[03:16] <daftykins> are we trying to prove that it should go through without a net connection?
[03:16] <micheal_> I assumed that it would install the bare minimum and ask me after that, but it took an extremely long time.
[03:18] <holstein> micheal_: dont check any boxes.. or assume anything.. this is intended to be a quick way for you to get a USB stick booting.. or an error message..
[03:18] <micheal_> I mean, this is a single-core machine I'm testing it on, but that shouldn't be so much of a problem. I didn't give it any swap space, but unpacking the bare minimum of packages shouldn't exhaust my memory.
[03:18] <holstein> micheal_: i install from the mini iso in literally a few minutes..
[03:18] <micheal_> I did not check any boxes. This is exactly what I did: autoconfigure network. pick mirror. pick partition.
[03:18] <daftykins> what's the spec of this system?
[03:19] <micheal_> Single core AMD, 4gb ram,
[03:20] <daftykins> nothing wrong with that, Athlon XP era?
[03:20] <micheal_> Er, I'm not sure. Sempron? It's an AM3 socket
[03:20] <daftykins> ok
[03:20] <daftykins> so am i exposing my VM to an internet connection yay or nay...
[03:21] <daftykins> guess it doesn't matter to prove this
[03:22] <daftykins> ok, picked english UK...
[03:22] <micheal_> Yeah the install's slowing down a lot. I just checked the ram on another terminal, it's still got 90%+ free
[03:22] <holstein> the install?
[03:23] <holstein> micheal_: the install is slowing down a lot?
[03:23] <micheal_> Yes.
[03:23] <daftykins> IP auto config... hostname... mirror... proxy... now i'm on 'Loading additional components' and got a progress bar
[03:23] <daftykins> i'm at 28% already
[03:24] <daftykins> username, encryption no, timezone...
[03:25] <micheal_> That sounds the same as what I did so far.
[03:25] <daftykins> so you said you chose no swap?
[03:25] <micheal_> Yeah. 4GB ram, I shouldn't have any problems, and I don't want to burn my usb sticks out even faster.
[03:25] <daftykins> you're installin to flash 0o
[03:26] <daftykins> ok i'm doing single partition ext4 /, no swap
[03:26] <micheal_> Yeah I know. Ideally it should boot, start its processes, and then never write to disk again as long as it stays up.
[03:26] <daftykins> ignored the message and now i'm installing the base system
[03:26] <daftykins> that's normal
[03:26] <micheal_> Yep. That's where it slows down
[03:26] <daftykins> slow compared to...?
[03:27] <micheal_> Slow as in I had been sitting there letting it do that for at least 20 minutes and it barely got past perl.
[03:27] <daftykins> just jumped from 2% to 26% after grabbing some packages
[03:27] <daftykins> perl-base at 38% just now
[03:27] <micheal_> Unpacking perl that is
[03:27] <holstein> USB sticks can be slower, but not that much slower..
[03:27] <micheal_> Yeah I'm ay 37%, on an install that I started back when I said I did it
[03:28] <micheal_> I have no idea what's going on with this.
[03:28] <daftykins> well... i have to say this is no apples to apples comparison
[03:28] <micheal_> This is a fresh usb stick. Literally jsut removed it from the packaging. Tried other sticks, at least five over all the times I've tried this.
[03:28] <daftykins> as i'm using an i5 sandybridge laptop with an SSD source and destination
[03:29] <daftykins> but does the speed of the install really matter?
[03:29] <holstein> i have had many bad sticks literally out of the packaging.. more than a couple at least
[03:29] <daiyi> ...
[03:29] <holstein> micheal_: what is the same? the iso is the same.. have you tested the sums?
[03:29] <holstein> !md5
[03:29] <micheal_> The iso is not the same. Let me explain how many times I've done this.
[03:30] <micheal_> I spent at least six hours trying this with Xubuntu-desktop, with different usb sticks, motherboards, and images.
[03:30] <micheal_> And xubuntu-server, since that was one of the images I tried.
[03:30] <holstein> micheal_: no need.. im just explaining, i would try and isolate what is the same, and what is different.. and what the issue is.. i boot usb sticks all the time
[03:30] <daftykins> micheal_: you should probably be using a non-journalled FS on such a drive
[03:30] <micheal_> Yes. I picked ext2,
[03:30] <daftykins> ah good stuff
[03:31] <daftykins> ok mines finished, configured apt and all, now i'm being asked if i want auto updates
[03:31] <micheal_> Mine just hit perl-base.
[03:31] <holstein> i ususally do ext2 as well in that case.. or sd cards..
[03:31] <daftykins> i'm saying no, now it's grabbing 26 files
[03:31] <daftykins> now i've got tasksel up, with the menu of software options
[03:32] <daftykins> i'm not even going to pick one, i'm just going to hit continue
[03:32] <daftykins> now it's grabbing 107 packages
[03:32] <micheal_> You don't have to continue installing, I think the point has been made that it's being very slow.
[03:33] <daftykins> have you done an install to HDD to see it acts fine?
[03:34] <micheal_> Not with this computer, no. I just pulled the hard drive out of it... don't really want to attach it again.
[03:34] <micheal_> I don't think this is an I/O problem with the motherboard or something. It does the same thing on other boards.
[03:34] <daftykins> there we go, mines installed and sat at login
[03:34] <daftykins> are you using rear panel USB ports?
[03:34] <micheal_> Yeah
[03:34] <_44trent> now im just getting an > on the command line
[03:34] <holstein> _44trent: ok.. whats the question?
[03:35] <daftykins> _44trent: that's wonderful, but unfortunately i'm unable to mindread as to what you did last.
[03:35] <daftykins> micheal_: that machine is too old for USB 3 i take it?
[03:35] <_44trent> so now im just getting a > in the command line
[03:35] <_44trent> no command is working
[03:35] <micheal_> No, I just built it. It has plenty of them, but the sticks I have aren't USB 3.
[03:37] <daftykins> micheal_: ok, just checking you're not using a 3.0 slot with the flash drive
[03:37] <_44trent> so now what do i do holstein?
[03:37] <micheal_> daftykins: Oh no I learned my lesson with that. That was painful..
[03:37] <daftykins> _44trent: and what did you do prior to this... we can't read your mind
[03:38] <_44trent> I did this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1622905
[03:39] <_44trent> it shows the echo commands i used to *try* to connect to a connection
[03:39] <daftykins> _44trent: that's a forum thread with many posts and many commands
[03:39] <_44trent> i know that
[03:39] <holstein> _44trent: for you, it will be *much* quicker to just download a lubuntu iso. or xubuntu.. and fresh install that
[03:39] <_44trent> well then
[03:39] <_44trent> ok
[03:39] <daftykins> _44trent: so how do i know which bits you ran and which you didn't?
[03:39] <holstein> _44trent: plus, neither of us are sure how you broke what, just now
[03:40] <_44trent> For some reason it seems like i always get a lot of problems when i do this
[03:40] <holstein> _44trent: just save some time and hassle, and get the iso that matches what you want to be running more closely.. with wifi support
[03:40] <holstein> _44trent: this? when you do what? put a lot of random commands in? or use the mini iso? or what?
[03:41] <_44trent> i mean just mean like i get problems usually. last time there was something wrong with my video card driver
[03:41] <_44trent> oh well
[03:41] <daftykins> did you say you were limited to CD-Rs?
[03:41] <daftykins> you don't own a flash drive?
[03:42] <_44trent> yeah
[03:42] <_44trent> limited to cd-rs
[03:42] <daftykins> damn, even our African friends have flash drives
[03:42] <_44trent> wait i got in trouble for swearing on this channel once
[03:43] <_44trent> How did you get away with that?
[03:43] <daftykins> yeah i wouldn't do that if i were you
[03:43] <_44trent> I know that i got muted for doing it too much when i went nutso
[03:43] <daftykins> what, point out the commonality of USB media? ho-hum.
[03:44] <_44trent> Xubuntu is more than 700 megabites btw so lubuntu is my only option
[03:44] <ifellasleep> evening! (hope I'm on topic!)
[03:44] <_44trent> dang it
[03:44] <_44trent> i hope that doesn't get me in trouble.
[03:45] <Ben64> _44trent: what are you actually trying to accomplish here
[03:45] <daftykins> ifellasleep: hello again, got a question today?
[03:45] <_44trent> getting a gui on the mini thing
[03:45] <_44trent> but i can't get onto a network and i just broke something i think
[03:46] <Ben64> _44trent: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop
[03:46] <ifellasleep> I have plenty of questions but I havent exhausted my web browser's resources yet
[03:46] <_44trent> yes but----im not on a connection
[03:46] <Ben64> _44trent: then hook up ethernet
[03:46] <daftykins> Ben64: pure CLI mini install with wifi as the only option, user is having issues connecting to wireless following a guide, cabled isn't an option apparently...
[03:46] <_44trent> that didn't do anything either
[03:47] <daftykins> what didn't do anything?
[03:47] <ifellasleep> I would be more than happy to pick someones brain that has extensive knowledge of running world of warcraft on ubuntu 14.04
[03:47] <daftykins> connecting a network cable?
[03:47] <_44trent> yeh
[03:47] <daftykins> _44trent: you said you couldn't do that earlier
[03:47] <Ben64> _44trent: well thats much more likely to get working than wifi
[03:47] <holstein> _44trent: connecting wired is "the easy way" still..
[03:47] <Ben64> ifellasleep: you probably want #winehq
[03:47] <daftykins> _44trent: is it plugged into a router? run ifconfig -a again, does eth0 have an address? if not, "sudo dhclient eth0"
[03:47] <_44trent> I found the cord from looking around
[03:48] <_44trent> there is an extra connection on the router
[03:49] <_44trent> ok I triedd the modem like a big idiot
[03:49] <ifellasleep> Ben64: thank you. while we are speaking though, text on xchat(my current irc client) is flickering. it also seems to be fighting my typing cursor, like it is pushing it back as I type.
[03:49] <_44trent> what the...mei me error again?!
[03:49] <_44trent> I thought that command blacklisted it
[03:49] <daftykins> you thought wrong
[03:49] <_44trent> whoops
[03:50] <daftykins> _44trent: so you don't appear to have stated whether you've run the above command or not, how'd it go?
[03:51] <_44trent> It gave me a eth0, lo and wlan0
[03:51] <ifellasleep> gdm/lightdm doesnt seem to be functioning properly at all on my os
[03:51] <daftykins> _44trent: did eth0 have an IP address listed?
[03:52] <daftykins> _44trent: "inet addr:x.x.x.x"
[03:52] <_44trent> it has a bssid
[03:52] <daftykins> that would've been beside wlan0, not eth0
[03:52] <_44trent> Wait i need to plug the laptop into ethernet dont i
[03:53] <_44trent> I just remembered something that would work better
[03:53] <holstein> _44trent: thats what i consider being "the easy way"
[03:53] <_44trent> ok then so how exactly to i blacklist this mei_me error
[03:53] <holstein> _44trent: plug the unit into wired internet. and download what you like.. or, just get the iso for what you are tring to download now...
[03:53] <daftykins> you said you'd done that already
[03:53] <how-art-thou> how do I turn off daemons which start at boot?
[03:53] <_44trent> I thought i did and thought wrong
[03:54] <how-art-thou> and get a list of such? like what is whoopsie?
[03:54] <daftykins> _44trent: so, is the cable in? run "sudo dhclient eth0"
[03:54] <_44trent> the rmmod command- i thought it blacklisted the thingy
[03:54] <daftykins> _44trent: we're on a different topic right now, stop going back to the start
[03:54] <daftykins> FOCUS!
[03:55] <daftykins> the network cable is plugged in at both ends... we're running "sudo dhclient eth0"
[03:55] <_44trent> bbut im getting that stupid error again
[03:55] <daftykins> cycle between ctrl+alt+f2 up to ctrl+alt+f6, does it spam every screen?
[03:56] <Ben64> the error doesn't prevent you from typing things
[03:56] <ifellasleep> for real, daftykins, regardless of how knowledgeable you may be...is the epitome of why the technical world doesnt function with the real worth.
[03:56] <ifellasleep> world*
[03:56] <_44trent> it spams every screen
[03:56] <ifellasleep> google > than this room.
[03:56] <holstein> _44trent: its just a message..
[03:57] <daftykins> ifellasleep: you're 100% correct, PM'ing me without asking was totally not the reason i stopped replying.
[03:57] <_44trent> ok fine
[03:57] <daftykins> _44trent: you could repeat the rmmod command.
[03:57] <_44trent> well ok I need to plug the laptop back into the ethernet
[03:58] <daftykins> to my fellow helpers, please think twice about assisting ifellasleep in future, much trolling is to be received.
[03:58] <_44trent> It takes a minute im a paraplegic so stuff can take a little longer
[03:58] <_44trent> mostly because i can't walk back and forth between computers every 5 seconds
[03:58] <holstein> _44trent: take your time.. just let us know when you are connected..
[03:59] <_44trent> ok
[04:00] <daftykins> _44trent: oh and you can just hit cursor up repeatedly to run previous commands, to save time
[04:00] <daftykins> no need to fully re-type each time
[04:00] <holstein> !tab
[04:01]  * daftykins wonders what relevance that had
[04:01] <_44trent> ok im plugged in
[04:01] <Akiba_> anyone ready to program a desktop environment?
[04:01] <holstein> i thought we were just handing out handy time saving tips..
[04:02] <joelwhitehouse> Is xinerama supposed to work in trusty?
[04:02] <daftykins> mine was appropriate for the task at hand ;)
[04:02] <holstein> !cookie | daftykins
[04:02] <daftykins> d'aww
[04:02] <daftykins> holstein: let's run away together.
[04:03] <holstein> ;)
[04:04] <how-art-thou> how do I stop apache from starting on bootup?
[04:04] <_44trent> ok for some odd reason now its telling me i have the wrong password even though i dont
[04:04] <how-art-thou> in the ubuntu 14
[04:04] <daftykins> _44trent: caps lock on?
[04:04] <holstein> how-art-thou: you can just remove it..
[04:05] <_44trent> its just a number though
[04:05] <_44trent> i know i know bad security hygience
[04:07] <_44trent> ah found the problem nvm
[04:08] <daftykins> how-art-thou: try "sudo update-rc.d apache2 disable"
[04:09] <_44trent> when i put in dhclient eth0 it says file already downloaded
[04:09] <_44trent> should it work then
[04:09] <Akiba_> hey guys
[04:09] <daftykins> are you sure those are the words it used?
[04:09] <Akiba_> anyone help me with my ideas?
[04:10] <_44trent> ohno my laptop died in the middle of sudo apt-get update
[04:10] <_44trent> I forgot the charger -__-
[04:10] <_44trent> That won't do anything bad right?
[04:10] <daftykins> _44trent: that won't matter.
[04:11] <_44trent> brb have to use the bathroom
[04:11] <chrstphrchvz> _44trent, if it's just "apt-get update" you'll be ok, run "sudo apt-get update" again
[04:11] <sydney> ok,i have a question.I just upgraded to ubuntu 14.04,and when i resume from standby my wifi is slow to connect,then slow to use.Also the light on my wifi card doesn't light up.If i just reboot,it is very fast,and the light shows.
[04:12] <ecdhe> Anyone had any problems with nvidia-settings on trusty?
[04:12] <daftykins> ecdhe: you might need to be more specific
[04:12] <chrstphrchvz> _44trent, if it was "sudo apt-get upgrade" then you may need to run "sudo apt-get -f install" first…I think…
[04:13] <daftykins> chrstphrchvz: we were told what was run
[04:13] <ecdhe> daftykins, I save a resolution to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and the resolution gets applied immediate, but it won't take after a reboot.
[04:14] <ecdhe> If I select xinerama, I can't get past the login screen at all until I delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:14] <ecdhe> It's like /etc/X11/xorg.conf gets ignored almost totally--but if xinerama is enable X breaks.
[04:14] <ecdhe> The log files are cryptic, haven't seen anything useful there.
[04:15] <ecdhe> So I wondered if someone else has had trouble.
[04:15] <chrstphrchvz> daftykins, just in case "update" got confused with "upgrade"
[04:15] <daftykins> ecdhe: people don't really use xorg.conf anymore, i was under the impression multi-display was auto
[04:16] <ecdhe> What tool would I use to configure it, daftykins?
[04:16] <ecdhe> Is nvidia-settings out?
[04:17] <daftykins> no, if you installed nvidia proprietary and it's loaded and in use, that's fine
[04:19] <sydney> AFK
[04:20] <AcidRain> hi, i have 3 additional disks in my linux install all ext3 partitions, they are all showing that they are NOT clean,
[04:20] <AcidRain> how do i fix this
[04:21] <daftykins> a good fsck i'd say
[04:21] <AcidRain> without destroying the data
[04:22] <daftykins> AcidRain: as long as they're unmounted, it should be fine, but you've got backups of course.
[04:22] <AcidRain> these are my backup drives
[04:25] <chrstphrchvz> sydney, do you know what you wifi hardware/chipset is? you may want to check out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1310595
[04:27] <daftykins> AcidRain: umm... image them to other storage prior to trying? your call.
[04:27] <AcidRain> i have a drive with useless data i will test it on
[04:29] <chrstphrchvz> Is anybody here experienced with btrfs, specifically "btrfs device delete"? (nobody home on #btrfs today)
[04:30] <chrstphrchvz> AcidRain: I think using fsck with the -v and -n options will let you see if it would complete but without touching the disks (you would need to run it again without -n to actually repair anything). See http://linux.die.net/man/8/fsck.ext3
[04:30] <AcidRain> thanks
[04:32] <ecdhe> daftykins, my ubuntu graphics on the new-voh drivers are terrible!
[04:33] <ecdhe> My graphics card is rendering a buffer at low res and scaling it up to the native resolution of the displays.
[04:33] <chrstphrchvz> AcidRain: if those drives aren't external you may want to check their SMART status with smartctl -a, and run -t long to make sure the disks are OK
[04:33] <ecdhe> I can't rotate my rotated monitor.
[04:33] <ecdhe> I can't make use of all three graphics cards.
[04:33] <AcidRain> the disks have a few bad sectors but nothign terrible, i already checked the smart
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> !btrfs | chrstphrchvz maybe here
[04:33] <AcidRain> the check disk tool in the disk utility said they were dirty
[04:37] <chrstphrchvz> Ok, according to https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Using_Btrfs_with_Multiple_Devices#Removing_devices it would move off any data to other devices first, but when I tried it failed at an I/O error. Just got unlucky, I guess.
[04:38] <chrstphrchvz> Sort of like "pvmove" for LVM. Thanks though, lotuspsychje.
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> !yay | chrstphrchvz
[04:39] <chrstphrchvz> Yup, how ironic
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> chrstphrchvz: what you use btfrs for exactly, what purpose?
[04:44] <ecdhe> Why does the "additional drivers" window take 2 minutes to figure out what driver is installed?
[04:45] <chrstphrchvz> ecdhe: see response here (?) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/1229868
[04:46] <chrstphrchvz> lotuspsychje, mainly for experiment at this point, nothing production
[04:46] <daftykins> chrstphrchvz: my brain melted when i tried to read about btrfs
[04:47] <ecdhe> I've donated to canonical before during the download-an-iso process.  I was happy with ubuntu at the time but this graphics issues is terrible.
[04:47] <chrstphrchvz> lotuspsychje, particular example where I had a btrfs filesystem on one device, I added another device using "btrfs device add," then tried to remove first device using "btrfs device delete"
[04:47] <chrstphrchvz> ecdhe: what graphics card do you have?
[04:47] <ecdhe> I've got hundreds of dollars of hardware that I can barely use because of the driver situation.
[04:48] <ecdhe> chrstphrchvz, I've got 3x nvidia 9500-GT
[04:48] <ecdhe> Also, 2X nvidia quadro 48
[04:49] <ecdhe> ubuntu lucid handled the two quadro 480s andone 9500GT for a triple monitor situation.
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: lucid server?
[04:50] <ecdhe> And I think precise-desktop did as well.  But trusty doesn't.
[04:50] <ecdhe> lotuspsychje, no lucid-desktop.
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: lucid desktop is eol no?
[04:51] <ecdhe> I've had 2x 30" monitors at 2560x1600 since lucid.
[04:51] <chrstphrchvz> !topic | ecdhe
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> !10.04 | ecdhe
[04:52] <ecdhe> Hey, I'm not running lucid!  I'm just saying that things that used to work in  lucid are broken in trusty.
[04:52] <daftykins> you might want to go back to 12.04
[04:52] <daftykins> those generations of card are pretty old
[04:53] <ecdhe> daftykins, does the linux kernel drop support for old hardware as it ages?
[04:53] <daftykins> Linux doesn't, proprietary graphics drivers do
[04:54] <ecdhe> daftykins, nvidia 173 is still available in trusty, just as it was in luc1d/precise.
[04:55] <ecdhe> One major issue I've got is that EDID information isn't detected on the third GPU.
[04:55] <ecdhe> I have swapped in different hardware, which is all working, but as soon as I add a third graphics card, trusty won't talk to it.
[04:55] <daftykins> what connection type does it use?
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: did you clean install or upgrade?
[04:56] <chrstphrchvz> daftykins, are older graphics driver versions still listed in jockey (additional hardware) like in this example http://www.binarytides.com/install-nvidia-drivers-ubuntu-14-04/ ?
[04:56] <ecdhe> PCIe gen2 with 16 lanes
[04:56] <daftykins> chrstphrchvz: no idea.
[04:56] <ecdhe> lotuspsychje, clean install.
[04:56] <mhabibi> How can i download a apt-get package source code and install on another system(without internet)?
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: with 3rd party drivers and updates during setup?
[04:56] <ecdhe> lotuspsychje, yes.
[04:57] <ecdhe> lotuspsychje, would that be an issue?
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: if you enabled, you should be good, what drivers ubuntu installed by default?
[04:57] <daftykins> mhabibi: you don't need source code to install a package offline, just take the .deb's from /var/cache/apt/archives/
[04:58] <ecdhe> ubuntu didn't install my graphics drivers by default--it wants to use the neavou drivers.
[04:58] <ecdhe> I have to go to the "additional drivers" dialog to enable nvidia's driver.
[04:58] <daftykins> yes nouveau is default
[04:58] <daftykins> as it's open source
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: and your graphics arent good on nouveau?
[04:59] <ecdhe> lotuspsychje, it takes nearly a quarter second for a keystroke to update on the screen.
[04:59] <chrstphrchvz> daftykins, ecdhe: there is also the pap:xorg-edgers that may fix stuff (it has for me) but is also likely to make things worse…
[04:59] <ecdhe> I've had spelling errors with you in this very conversation because I couldn't actually see what I had typed until after I sent it.
[04:59] <rexchou2012> Hello, please I ubuntu lamp environment mysql collapsed is what's wrong
[04:59] <rexchou2012> Hello, please I ubuntu lamp environment mysql collapsed is what's wrong
[04:59] <chrstphrchvz> *ppa
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: can you pastebin us lshw -C video to have a peek of your situation?
[05:00] <ecdhe> with nouveau, libre office was almost unusable.
[05:00] <ecdhe> lotuspsychje, will do.
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: i had few boxes with older grafix cards, that doesnt like 14.04
[05:02] <daftykins> chrstphrchvz: perhaps that's more appropriate to tell the person asking help than me :)
[05:02] <ecdhe> http://pastebin.com/nMnp4x2N
[05:02] <chrstphrchvz> ecdhe: have you asked anyone over on #xorg?
[05:02] <chrstphrchvz> or #nvidia?
[05:03] <cfhowlett> rexchou2012 "collapsed" tells us nothing.  error messages and screen prints would help
[05:03] <ecdhe> chrstphrchvz, I haven't--- I figured since my setup *used* to work on ubuntu, that ubuntu was the reason for the change.
[05:04] <ecdhe> lotuspsychje, see my pastebin above.  I trimmed my situation down to 2 9500GTs since I couldn't get the third one to do anything anyway.
[05:05] <daftykins> ecdhe: i would compare /var/log/Xorg.0.log when working and when not
[05:06] <ecdhe> daftykins, will do.  This may take a while!
[05:06] <chrstphrchvz> ecdhe: I'm inclined to think that components such as graphics drivers are updated specifically between Ubuntu releases just as you do, but Ubuntu is not entirely responsible for changes in functionality (free desktop for nouveau, Nvidia for proprietary).
[05:06] <chrstphrchvz> *freedesktop.org
[05:07] <ExtremeDevilz> hello guys Im wondering if is there anyway I can download a widget where I can get my system tempurate,speed,hard disk speed, gfx card tempurate etc
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> ExtremeDevilz: there are some nice indicators around
[05:07] <ecdhe> chrstphrchvz, I appreciate the culpability pointer.
[05:07] <cfhowlett> ExtremeDevilz yes you can download
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> ExtremeDevilz: apt-cache search indicator
[05:08] <ExtremeDevilz> any idea
[05:08] <Akiba_> anything better than synapse indicator + recoll?
[05:08] <ExtremeDevilz> Im new to Ubuntu
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> !info indicator-multiload | ExtremeDevilz i like this one
[05:08] <ExtremeDevilz> uh where do I get it?
[05:08] <chrstphrchvz> ExtremeDevilz, this is old but might be worth checking out: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/5-system-monitoring-tools-for-ubuntu
[05:09] <ExtremeDevilz> Im new to Ubuntu
[05:09] <ExtremeDevilz> really like it, It seem faster then windows <3
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> ExtremeDevilz: open a terminal and type: sudo apt-get install indicator-multiload
[05:11] <ExtremeDevilz> Conky Seem nice
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> !info conky | ExtremeDevilz same way sudo apt-get install conky
[05:12] <Akiba_> can someone help me with my ideas
[05:12] <cfhowlett> Akiba_ ideas?  no.  ubuntu technical support?  sure.
[05:13] <ExtremeDevilz> lotuspsychje, I cant find it
[05:13] <ExtremeDevilz> conky
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> ExtremeDevilz: did you read what i just typed above
[05:14] <ExtremeDevilz> I did install
[05:14] <ExtremeDevilz> sudo apt-get install conky
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> ExtremeDevilz: reboot or logout/login to start
[05:15] <ecdhe> lotuspsychje, what video cards would you recommend that work well with trusty?
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: well of all the boxes i installed trusty on, most work nicely...
[05:15] <ecdhe> lotuspsychje, any multimonitor setups?
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> ecdhe: some older cards failed to boot unity, and i needed lubuntu on them
[05:16] <ExtremeDevilz> it isnt here at all
[05:16] <daftykins> i think it's your 3+ screen situation that's more the problematic one, ecdhe
[05:16] <daftykins> i've heard a lot about those that go beyond 2 screens having issues
[05:16] <TJ-> ecdhe: I run 6 monitors on Trusty with KDE, using 3 Nvidia GPUs
[05:16] <ecdhe> TJ-, are they all an identical geometry?
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> ExtremeDevilz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpConky
[05:17] <TJ-> ecdhe: Mostly they're 1920x1200, but a couple are 1920x1080, and I've had some older 1280x1024 hooked up too
[05:18] <ecdhe> TJ-, one thing I've noticed is that the login screen will see my xorg.conf file perfectly--all of my monitors are placed correctly and at the right resolutions...  but when I try to login, the desktop hangs.
[05:18] <ecdhe> I've wondered if switching from gnome/unity would help my situation.
[05:19] <daftykins> ah, maybe that's more a session issue
[05:19] <daftykins> yeah try xubuntu maybe
[05:19] <TJ-> ecdhe: Using Unity or KDE? I switched away from Unity 2 release ago because it was horrendous for multi-monitor configs
[05:19] <TJ-> ecdhe: I've not re-tested Trusty-Unity since then though
[05:19] <ecdhe> TJ-, unity is what crashes on me...  I might try KDE.
[05:20] <Omnipotent> Anyone here is user of squid?
[05:20] <michaelmn> Could you please tell me if my messsages are visible?
[05:21] <TJ-> ecdhe: I find KDE very stable and usuable; there's a bug when you're running multiple X-screens with the greeter and lock-screens - I posted a proposed fix some time ago - but it was NACKed and there's not been a developer-written fix for that, so far
[05:21] <cfhowlett> michaelmn we see you
[05:21] <michaelmn> cfhowlett: thank you
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> !squid | Omnipotent
[05:21] <ecdhe> TJ-, bug as in it hangs? Or is easy to circumvent?
[05:22] <Omnipotent> lotuspsychje, actually I have a particular question, I am running Ubuntu on VPS and there is no way (as far as I know) I can add another interface... eth1 etc... so How do I do the transparent proxy thing?
[05:22] <chrstphrchvz> Omnipotent: not recently. What about it?
[05:22] <TJ-> ecdhe: It's relatively minor though... the greeters/lock-screens for each X screen are all drawn on screen 0 ... so applications remain visible when the screen is locked
[05:22] <Omnipotent> chrstphrchvz, that
[05:22] <chrstphrchvz> sorry
[05:23] <TJ-> ecdhe: I plan on proposing a different fix at some point when I can be bothered to dig into the code again :)
[05:23] <Omnipotent> chrstphrchvz, And another question would be, I have been assigned public ip statically directly by the provider, how can I create a second interface and put it in a lan?
[05:23] <Omnipotent> chrstphrchvz, for?
[05:23] <TJ-> Omnipotent: If it is IPv4, you can add an alias interface, assuming additional IP addresses
[05:24] <Omnipotent> TJ-, It is IPv4 ... but the eth0 has a public ip... and I just have single ip from VPS provider...
[05:24] <Omnipotent> I somehow did it with vmnet with last provider, I just don't recall how.
[05:25] <daftykins> vmnet... those are vmware interfaces
[05:25] <chrstphrchvz> Omnipotent, for not paying attention. I never managed squid "hands-on" if you will (without gui). I had used something called untangle; zentyal would provide similar functionality…
[05:25] <TJ-> Omnipotent: Well, you don't need an additional IP address to do transparent proxying; I have squid on 3128, which is redirected to via a netfilters rule
[05:27] <Omnipotent> TJ-, Well, all the solutions I read on various websites... tell me to add an eth1 and get both of them in lan, because eth0 has local ip in range 192.168.1.100 or something and you give 1.101 to eth1
[05:27] <Omnipotent> then when they are in lan, you redirect the requests using iptables
[05:27] <chrstphrchvz> Omnipotent, I think one way is by somehow bridging the additional interface (if you want the two to basically be on a switch with each other/not separate LANs). Would not be able to tell you how.
[05:28] <Omnipotent> But in my case, eth0 is configured by the provider with the static public ip of mine, and if I change it, I will probably be screwed.
[05:30] <chrstphrchvz> Omnipotent, There's a #squid channel you might want to check out (I think you have quite an interesting question actually)
[05:30] <Omnipotent> Its dead.
[05:31] <TJ-> Omnipotent: Forget about additional interfaces. What you need is simply to have an iptables rule that intercepts packets being added to the netfilters queues/tables and redirect them to localhost:3128 (or where-ever squid is listening)
[05:34] <TJ-> Omnipotent: As you seem to want to be proxying on the same host as the connections are initiated from, you'll need to add rules to the OUTPUT table, and use the (process) owner module so as not to redirect traffic that squid itself sends out, plus possibly a rule to not redirect anything destined for localhost.
[05:35] <Omnipotent> TJ-, I don't quite follow your first statement yet, My squid is listening on 8888 and has basic ncsa auth
[05:36] <Omnipotent> Do you mean to say, I should redirect request at some OTHER port for eg. 5555 to 8888 ? and then instruct my browser to send requests at 5555 instead of 8888 ?
[05:36] <Omnipotent> so any requests reaching 5555 will be redirected to 8888 by iptables and then proxy which is running on 8888 will do its work?
[05:36] <backbox> Ping !
[05:36] <Omnipotent> backbox, Pong?
[05:37] <TJ-> Omnipotent: Assuming you've configured squid to do "transparent", then you'd want netfilters OUTPUT table rules firstly to intercept all outgoing port 80 connections to squid: "iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8888". At that point squid itself would get into an endless loop though since its own outgoing packets would be redirected back to itself, so then you have to ignore packets from squid itself, using the 'owner' module.
[05:37] <backbox> i'm a newbie
[05:37] <backbox> give me tutorial in indonesian language :D
[05:38] <cfhowlett> !indonesian | backbox and you're welcome
[05:38] <backbox> okey thank u
[05:38] <backbox> Terima kasih
[05:39] <Omnipotent> TJ-, I am sorry, but I do not understand the job of port 80 here
[05:39] <Omnipotent> could you elaborate a bit?
[05:39] <TJ-> Omnipotent: You'd want the squid-specific rule above (have precedence); something like: "iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m owner --uid-owner squid -j ACCEPT " (assuming "squid" is the process owner of squid-cache - change that as necessary)
[05:40] <TJ-> Omnipotent: You said you want a transparent proxy, yes?
[05:40] <Omnipotent> TJ-, yes
[05:40] <Omnipotent> TJ-, as far as I can understand, My Browser is currently sending requests to port 8888 of remote VPS where the squid is listening on 8888
[05:40] <TJ-> Omnipotent: So that infers that outgoing HTTP traffic is destined for port 80 of the external web-server
[05:40] <Omnipotent> Ah
[05:41] <backbox> Follow me @labibnayu for give me next tutor haks
[05:41] <TJ-> Omnipotent: From your statement I don't think you want a transparent proxy, sounds like you are just trying to use a Virtual Machine as a regular HTTP proxy
[05:41] <cfhowlett> backbox if you have an ubuntu support question ask.  no spamming this channel
[05:42] <Omnipotent> TJ-, right now I am, yes, But I want it as transperent.
[05:42] <TJ-> Omnipotent: What do you mean by 'transparent' ?
[05:43] <Omnipotent> TJ- http://ifconfig.me/  should not show X-Forwarded-For <my real ip>
[05:43] <TJ-> Omnipotent: That isn't transparent proxying
[05:43] <Omnipotent> Eh?
[05:44] <Omnipotent> Transparent proxying means the receiver of the request should not see that we are  connected through a proxy
[05:44] <Omnipotent> If its not transparent proxying... what do you call it?
[05:44] <backbox> do ngomong opo
[05:45] <TJ-> Omnipotent: Not exactly; transparent proxying is a particular scenario whereby the *client* cannot tell they are using a proxy server
[05:45] <Omnipotent> Oh.
[05:45] <TJ-> Omnipotent: but for your purposes, see http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/config/forwarded_for/
[05:45] <cfhowlett> backbox english only in this channel.
[05:45] <Omnipotent> TJ- I am sorry for troubling you for this long with wrong word then
[05:45] <Omnipotent> really sorry.
[05:45] <backbox> cfhowlett, just english?
[05:45] <TJ-> Omnipotent: In particular, this bit: "If set to "delete", Squid will delete the entire X-Forwarded-For header."
[05:46] <Xombie-Boss> //join #debian
[05:46] <Omnipotent> Gotcha
[05:46] <cfhowlett> backbox yep.
[05:46] <Xombie-Boss> sorry
[05:46] <Xombie-Boss> didnt mean to do that
[05:46] <TJ-> Omnipotent: No need to apologise, this is how we all learn :)
[05:46] <Vivekananda> wonder what is wrong with my lenovo . I know this is not a laptop hardware channel can someone direct me to one ?
[05:46] <cfhowlett> !english | backbox
[05:46] <backbox> cfhowlett, where do u from?
[05:46] <Omnipotent> I had an idea that, "Transparent" is... transparent because the destination doesn't know we are we :D
[05:46] <Omnipotent> Its TRANSPARENT :P
[05:46] <cfhowlett> backbox ask your #UBUNTU support questions
[05:47] <cfhowlett> Vivekananda lenovo has a support forum IIRC
[05:47] <backbox> microssh is?
[05:47] <Vivekananda> was hoping to chat with someone here cfhowlett
[05:47] <Omnipotent> cfhowlett, For a second there I was wondering "what the hell is Vivekananda lenovo"
[05:48] <TJ-> Omnipotent: I agree, the description is all context-sensitive ... you've just learned the system-administrators context :)
[05:48] <Omnipotent> did Chinese merge with Indians to create a company joint venture or something >_>
[05:48] <cfhowlett> Vivekananda #laptop
[05:48] <Omnipotent> TJ-, Aye :D
[05:49] <Vivekananda> cfhowlett: lemme try that
[05:49] <Omnipotent> TJ-, Well, For the transparent we were talking earlier, the "real" one... where client does not know they are connected to proxy... well, it must be usually done on local scale, right?
[05:50] <Omnipotent> I mean, all your web requests going through central machine in LAN to filter them etc?
[05:50] <Vivekananda> cfhowlett: there  is no such channel. anyways , dont wish to bug ppl with off topic
[05:50] <cfhowlett> Vivekananda use #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:50] <daftykins> Vivekananda: what's going on exactly?
[05:51] <Vivekananda> daftykins: plz come to #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:52] <daftykins> that's one place i don't go, sadly
[05:52] <backbox> adakah orang indonesia?
[05:52] <TJ-> Omnipotent: Yes, at the router. But it can also be done for all local processes too, which is what I *thought* you wanted - have the proxy act for all processes on the VPS that tried to make external connections to port 80 ... often useful to monitor/control potentially malicious software, or for honeypots, etc.
[05:58] <Omnipotent> TJ-, ah actually, that could be useful.
[05:58] <Omnipotent> now that you mention it..
[05:59] <Omnipotent> But I could also monitor port 80 connections using iftop or something like that
[05:59] <ravi_> or wireshark
[05:59] <Omnipotent> If I have GUI.. sure
[06:00] <TJ-> Omnipotent: That's hardly practical though, you have to watch it every millisecond and you only see connections once they have started. The purpose of putting a proxy in the loop is it can allow/deny based on both the source process and the destination, and use quite complex rules to decide what to do
[06:01] <Omnipotent> Gotcha
[06:15] <hdtune2k> hi
[06:15] <daftykins> greetings
[06:16] <hdtune2k> greeting
[06:25] <SierraAR> Running Ubuntu 12.04.4 64-bit, everytime I log in I see this error pop up, but it seems to be having no issues with displaying at my chosen resolution of 1600x900: https://www.dropbox.com/s/l55u5ru42sfo85m/Ubuntu%20Desktop-2014-06-20-23-24-26.png
[06:26] <hdt2k> greetingx
[06:26] <hdt2k> why the /etc/init.d can not write?
[06:27] <hdt2k> the / is rw
[06:27] <Ben64> hdt2k: explain more what you're talking about
[06:28] <hdt2k> i want to add some files to /etc/init.d but is seems can not be written files
[06:29] <hdt2k> im poor in linux please help me
[06:29] <Ben64> hdt2k: well you need root permissions to write to there
[06:29] <hdt2k> yes im root
[06:30] <hdt2k> im trying again
[06:30] <_C3r34l_K1ll3r> Dont worry,no body was born with linux knowledge :-)
[06:30] <hdt2k> haha thx
[06:31] <hdt2k> i did it , i successfully copied a file to init.d as root access
[06:31] <hdt2k> thanku
[06:50] <hunt_> is it possible to exhaust all the uuids in uuidgen?
[06:50] <hunt_> and what happens when you do
[06:51] <somsip> hunt_: theoretically; they collide
[06:51] <hunt_> if i wrote a script that generated all the uuids, that wouldnt presumably take too long, wouldit?
[06:51] <somsip> hunt_: if you have the math to figure out how many you need to generate, you already know the answer to that
[06:52] <hunt_> 3^34 uuids, beacuse each uuid is a 128 bit value
[06:52] <hunt_> e*
[06:52] <hunt_> e^34
[06:52] <hunt_> er 38
[06:52] <hunt_> so what makes uuids reliable if they can be exhausted so quickly
[06:53] <hunt_> theyre supposed to be unique accross time and space
[06:53] <somsip> hunt_: your understanding is wrong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_unique_identifier
[06:55] <hunt_> so then its just a 128 bit random number?
[06:55] <somsip> hunt_: the link says it all, and this is off topic so end of thread for me
[06:56] <hunt_> somsip: the whole conversation is off topic?
[06:56] <somsip> !topic | hunt_
[06:57] <hunt_> somsip: i was just wo ndering if you meant the new question or the conversation in the first place
[06:57] <somsip> hunt_: actually, that wasn't very helpful. This is the ubuntu support channel. uuids are a general subject and are nothing to do with ubuntu support. Hence, offtopic
[07:08] <e^0> is it possible that if a user don't have sudo access but still he can install the software ?
[07:10] <daftykins> e^0: they could download and run programs in their /home maybe
[07:11] <e^0> daftykins: from ubuntu software center or through cli ?
[07:11] <daftykins> well, not really either
[07:12] <Fyodorovna> e^0, There are apps not in the repos that can be run in home, no root access is all and not needed.
[07:13] <e^0> Fyodorovna: for example a persone needs to install conky but he doesn't have sudo rights than ?
[07:14] <Fyodorovna> e^0, Not sure on conky you would have to investigate, for example you can download firefox and run it in home, there are lots really.
[07:14] <e^0> Fyodorovna: ok getting your point
[07:14] <Fyodorovna> conky is just a script, probably so
[07:15] <TJ-> e^0: If you're able to download the packages (.deb files) and their dependencies, you can extract their files manually and run them from the user home directory, but some may need other configuration or resources to be in read-only (system) locations.
[07:20] <skulltower> I created a .desktop file with terminal=true, but it opens my application in the wrong terminal. How can i change the default terminal?
[07:26] <Georg> hi guys. I try to install crosslinux on Ubuntu 12.04 64bit but I have problems to with make. make tries to install fakeroot even if it is already installed from the packages. anyhow, I have some problems with in some header files. I guess some libraries are missing but I don't know which ones. in libfakeroot.c (included in tha crosslinux package) I get the message "wrapped.h:126:27: error: unknown type name 'cap_user_header_t'". I googled already, but I cann
[07:26] <Georg> ot solve my problem. Could anybody help me please?
[07:27] <Georg> here is the complete fakeroot-make.log-file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7678614/
[07:30] <raj25> Could somebody help me with the correct order of execution of bash config files?
[07:30] <aleksandr> hello
[07:30] <raj25> Hey
[07:31] <aleksandr> how are you? where are you from?
[07:32] <raj25> Having problems with bash config and env variables
[07:32] <Fyodorovna> aleksandr, That is way off topic and a personal question, this is support.
[07:32] <aleksandr> oh, sorry))))
[07:33] <aleksandr> You mean, its support Ubuntu for any question?
[07:34] <raj25> Anyone read my que?
[07:34] <helmut_> hi
[07:34] <Fyodorovna> !topic | aleksandr
[07:36]  * raj25 waiting for an answer
[07:37] <TexasRitter> A beautiful good morning. When I click a file, I can not choose whether it should be started as a program. In the options is "run as application" set.
[07:40] <TexasRitter> Guten Morgen. Wenn ich eine Datei anklicke kommt nicht die Nachfrage ob es als Programm geöffnet werden soll, obwohl es eingestellt ist. Es öffnet sich sofort im Texteditor. Habe das bei allen Dateien. Woran kann das liegen?
[07:43] <daftykins> TexasRitter: it's an english only channel in here, there's #ubuntu-de though.
[07:44] <TexasRitter> Ah okay, nice. Thank you sir.
[07:44] <daftykins> *tips hat*
[07:45] <JohnQ> Anyone know a way to test if DRI (direct rendering) is working?    It's not working for me in MythTV, but Im not sure how to test it out more generally.  glxinfo says "direct rendering: Yes", but Im not sure how authoritative that it.
[07:46] <JohnQ> *is
[07:48] <JohnQ> raj: What do you mean by "correct order of execution of bash config files"? I'm not sure what you're asking.... but I can probably help if you explain the problem.
[07:50] <daftykins> JohnQ: that should be enough, also /var/log/Xorg.0.log would probably mention DRI once or twice
[07:52] <JohnQ> indeed.  Lots of "DRI2" and "DRI3" etc... in the logs. None of it looks like errors to mu untrained eye.  Hmm
[07:54] <Georg> hi guys. I try to install crosslinux on Ubuntu 12.04 64bit but I have problems to with make. make tries to install fakeroot even if it is already installed from the packages. anyhow, I have some problems with in some header files. I guess some libraries are missing but I don't know which ones. in libfakeroot.c (included in tha crosslinux package) I get the message "wrapped.h:126:27: error: unknown type name 'cap_user_header_t'". I googled already, but I cann
[07:54] <Georg> ot solve my problem. Could anybody help me please?
[07:54] <Georg> here is the complete fakeroot-make.log-file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7678614/
[07:55] <JohnQ> Are there any /dev/ files that are assiciated with DRI?  Maybe it's a permissions issue or something.
[08:00] <TJ-> JohnQ: Is this for the frontend or backend?
[08:02] <Georg> Is anybody here who can help me to solve the make-Problem with the (maybe) missing libraries?
[08:03] <Kamuela> Started randomly having problems with Chrome and user profiles
[08:03] <JohnQ> TJ-: frontend
[08:03] <TJ-> Georg: Looks like you're missing some -dev header packages and/or libraries that the package depends on. Check the output of the "./configure" script, if the package has one
[08:05] <TJ-> JohnQ: What graphics card make/model, which Ubuntu release?
[08:05] <JohnQ> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] [10de:0240] (rev a2)
[08:05] <JohnQ> Linux spyro 3.13.0-29-generic #53-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 4 21:00:20 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:07] <Georg> TJ-: Thx, I'll have a look
[08:07] <JohnQ> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[08:10] <Georg> TJ-: here is the output of configure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7678779/
[08:11] <Georg> TJ-: do you think I should try to install all things which are marked as "...no"?
[08:13] <Guido1> hello, I want to install tight vnc. I downloaded it from the tight vnc page, but don't know how to install it
[08:13] <Georg> it confuses me....
[08:15] <Guido1> how can i install it?
[08:15] <Kamuela> OK, completely deleted the chromium and google-chrome folders in ~/.config and reset everything manually. works fine now. thankfully
[08:15] <user123321> can enabling hardware virtualization and running multile VM's of Ubuntu/Ubuntu flavors in an Ubuntu/Ubuntu flavor OS could access my Windows OS which has been installed as a dual boot OS? I think I've heard something about hardware virtualization could grant privilege level beyond the OS?
[08:15] <user123321> Could it damage my Windows OS?
[08:17] <JohnQ> Interesting... it seems that /dev/dri/card0 is missing..
[08:39] <Divya_karwal> hello
[08:42] <scienceguy> Hello, could somebody help me with something very simple?
[08:43] <Divya_karwal> @scienceguy: what is ur problem???
[08:44] <scienceguy> Divya_karwal: I installed a package, but I don't know how to open the gui for it: https://wiki.fysik.dtu.dk/ase/overview.html
[08:46] <Divya_karwal> @scienceguy: what type of package , can give elaborate it???
[08:47] <scienceguy> Divya_karwal: It's a program to run quantum mechanical calculations.... I ran the "test" calculations and they ran OK, which means it is installed. But I don't know how to access the GUI.
[08:47] <TJ-> scienceguy: see https://wiki.fysik.dtu.dk/ase/ase/gui/basics.html
[08:48] <scienceguy> TJ-: I am seriously lost
[08:49] <Ben64> scienceguy: you'll have to look through the documentation for the program
[08:50] <scienceguy> I have an idea...
[08:50] <Divya_karwal> @science guy: go to  dash and search for it..
[08:52] <geirha> scienceguy: I take it you didn't install it via the software center / apt-get  then?
[08:53] <scienceguy> OK. I ran the "test" files again and it opened the window that is the GUI. How do I make a link to it from the desktop?
[08:53] <Divya_karwal> how to install  android 4.4 kitkat in nokia c1-01
[08:53] <Divya_karwal> ??
[08:53] <scienceguy> geirha: It's open right now, but I don't know how to access it when it is not open
[08:55] <geirha> scienceguy: that depends on the answer of my question
[08:56] <scienceguy> geirha: I used apt-get for a couple of things
[08:56] <antonio_> Can't get a wired connection with my laptop
[08:56] <antonio_> Not sure what to do...I used to be able to get a wired connection...
[08:56] <scienceguy> sudo apt-get install python-ase
[08:57] <scienceguy> I think that was it
[08:57] <d-m-d> hola alguien que me ayude y hable español por favor
[08:58] <histo> !es | d-m-d
[08:59] <geirha> scienceguy: In that case, here's the files it installs: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/all/python-ase/filelist
[09:00] <geirha> scienceguy: there's no .desktop-files installed, which means there's no "icon to click". Are you sure it has a gui?
[09:00] <TJ-> geirha: Yes it does (ase-gui) - Fedora added a .desktop for it but I can't locate its test right now
[09:00] <scienceguy> geirha: I have the gui open right now, but I don't know how to access it normally. The test calculations opened it
[09:01] <hipitihop> I'd like to add an application to "open with" menu, it' snot installed, just in a subfolder in my homdrive, it happens to be sublime editor, can someone point me at good dock to do so, I'm on 12.04
[09:01] <Guido1> hello, I want to install tight vnc. I downloaded it from the tight vnc page, but don't know how to install it. How can I install it?
[09:02] <antonio_> Can't get a wired connection with my laptop...Not sure what to do...I used to be able to get a wired connection...
[09:02] <hipitihop> Guido, is it a deb package you downloaded ?
[09:02] <trijntje> hipitihop: alacarte
[09:02] <scienceguy> Also, thanks everyone that is helping... this is how science gets done!
[09:02] <meek_geek> can we completely wipe mac os from a mbp mid 2011 and install ubuntu ?
[09:03] <geirha> scienceguy: maybe the gui was installed by a separate package?
[09:03] <hipitihop> Guido1, is it a deb package you downloaded ?
[09:04] <scienceguy> geirha: I don't know
[09:05] <Guido1> hipitihop: tar.bz2
[09:05] <d-m-d> good English need help try esque not much about linux just decided to change windows to linux my question is how can I format my usb please
[09:05] <TJ-> scienceguy: The issue is the package is pure Python, and cross-platform. It doesn't contain a FreeDesktop .desktop specification file (which tells desktop managers how to start the application). Fedora apparently add one to their packaging of the application, but Debian/Ubuntu don't. You can create one manually.
[09:05] <Georg> d-m-d: I would suggest the program "gparted"
[09:05] <antonio_> anyone????
[09:06] <scienceguy> TJ-: How can I create one?
[09:06] <antonio_> Can't get a wired connection with my laptop...Not sure what to do...I used to be able to get a wired connection...
[09:06] <faheyn> anyone ever see where xscreensaver crashes after hitting the enter key 3 times..
[09:06] <Guest67679> Bom dia
[09:06] <hipitihop> trijntje, thanks just installe dit and looking, still trying to find "open with" menu but I'm sure it's there somewhere
[09:07] <d-m-d> ok thank you very much
[09:07] <Georg> you're welcome
[09:07] <Guido1> hipitihop: i could also download Tar+Gzip - http://www.tightvnc.com/download-old.php
[09:07] <hipitihop> Guido1, does this help ?  not sure what version you are on http://www.hiddentao.com/archives/2013/09/17/setting-up-tightvnc-on-ubuntu-12-04/
[09:08] <TJ-> scienceguy: bear with me, I'm working on one
[09:08] <scienceguy> TJ-: Thank you so much!
[09:08] <Paul_-> hi folks, I need a version of objcopy that can do efi, apparently 14.04 cannot, I want to know how to go about this please
[09:09] <meek_geek> is anyone using ubuntu on mbp ? is it possible to wipeout mac os and use ubuntu fully ?
[09:09] <Guido1> hipitihop: i will try
[09:09] <hipitihop> Guido1, you usually try and use software centre, synaptic or apt-get and use proper packages, sometimes you need to add a PPA
[09:10] <hipitihop> Guido1, one good reason for using those is that the package system then knows about your app and can update when needed etc
[09:10] <Guido1> hipitihop: yes, I'm used to softawre center and apt-get (if I know the name)
[09:11] <Guido1> hipitihop: but I don't only want the server. I also want the vewer. do you know how i have to modefy the commants?
[09:11] <antonio_> Can't get a wired connection with my laptop...Not sure what to do...I used to be able to get a wired connection...
[09:12] <Akiba_> hey guys
[09:12] <Akiba_> is there a way of me installing certain apps before the ubuntu installer starts?
[09:12] <Paul_-> Akiba, UEFI
[09:13] <hipitihop> Guido1, I don't specifically, but looks like xtightvncviewer looks the go ? form herE: http://marc-abramowitz.com/archives/2006/02/17/tightvnc-on-ubuntu/
[09:14] <antonio_> I have no wired connection (eth0/1/etc) available...what can I do?
[09:14] <hipitihop> Guido1, good luck, have to run
[09:14] <Paul_-> hi folks, I need a version of objcopy that can do efi, apparently 14.04 cannot, I want to know how to go about this please
[09:14] <Guido1> hipitihop: thanks
[09:16] <Akiba_> how do you install packages into debian, before you start the debian installer
[09:16] <Akiba_> i want to install cairo-dock and gobohide into ubuntu before running the installer
[09:16] <Akiba_> and i meant ubuntu not debian
[09:17] <antonio_> I have no wired connection (eth0/1/etc) available...what can I do?
[09:18] <tomreyn> you can use a wireless connection, tether, or none.
[09:18] <tomreyn> (i may lack context since i just joined)
[09:18] <scienceguy> antonio_: Have you tested the ethernet cable?
[09:19] <antonio_> yes...
[09:19] <antonio_> I've tried two different cables...
[09:19] <scienceguy> Does the wall outlet have an internet connection?
[09:20] <antonio_> scienceguy: yes...going from the modem...
[09:20] <tomreyn> what are you connecting to what? do the lights next to the endpoints of your connection (the NICs on both ends) light up?
[09:20] <antonio_> scienceguy: when I do ifconfig its not showing any kind of ethernet devices
[09:20] <scienceguy> :/
[09:21] <JohnQ> try:   ifconfig -a
[09:21] <antonio_> nothing
[09:21] <tomreyn> lspci -knnv | grep Eth
[09:22] <antonio_> When I do sudo ifconfig eth0 up I get   "eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device"
[09:22] <tomreyn> sounds like you may be lacking some drivers
[09:23] <scienceguy> TJ-: I got it!
[09:23] <TJ-> scienceguy: OK, *finally* found the current .desktop file used by Fedora. You can copy it's contents to a new file "/usr/local/share/applications/ase-gui.desktop", from http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/python-ase.git/tree/ase-gui.desktop?id=933235e0ebccd2a83602a6b294c3800c2934df24
[09:23] <antonio_> tomreyn: know of a quick and easy way to get them?
[09:24] <tomreyn> antonio_: first you need to find out what hardware you have there
[09:24] <TJ-> antonio_: Are you using Ubuntu Trusty ?
[09:25] <Fly80> hello
[09:25] <tomreyn> antonio_: run this, and copy and paste the output to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ : sudo lspci -knnv | grep -A 16 Ethernet
[09:25] <antonio_> 12:10
[09:26] <tomreyn> antonio_: when you pasted it there, and submitted it, tell us the URL (internet address) you end up on. ie. copy the internet address from your browser after posting.
[09:26] <scienceguy> quick question: I got the code to open the GUI, how do I make an icon that will run it in the terminal when I click it?
[09:27] <Fly80> i'm using ubuntu 14.04 and i have a problem with mouse/touchpad configuration.  What I would like to do is to have my mouse with a left-handed configuration (default) while the touchpad has right-handed configuration
[09:27] <Fly80> this is because the touchpad is not working properly when the confguration is left-handed
[09:27] <antonio_> tomreyn: it didn't do anything
[09:28] <antonio_> I'm running 12.10 by the way
[09:28] <tomreyn> antonio_: you will have mistyped then. check again.
[09:28] <antonio_> type this?
[09:28] <antonio_> sudo lspci -knnv | grep -A 16 Ethernet
[09:29] <tomreyn> antonio_: right, into your terminal window
[09:29] <antonio_> I did and nothing happened
[09:29] <TJ-> tomreyn: not necessarily; antonio_'s system might not use the word "Ethernet" in the output. antonio_ try this instead: "lspci -nnv | egrep -i 'net|wire' "
[09:30] <tomreyn> okay, then try this instead: sudo lspci -knnv | grep -A 16 -i eth
[09:30] <tomreyn> or TJ's could work, too.
[09:30] <antonio_> still nothing
[09:30] <TJ-> antonio_: Errr... what make/model of PC is it?
[09:30] <kostkon> antonio_, btw, your version is not supported anymore. You should consider upgrading to 14.04
[09:30] <tomreyn> then just do this: sudo lspci -knnv
[09:30] <antonio_> tj's worked
[09:30] <TJ-> kostkon: Yes... he might, if he has a network connection! :)
[09:31] <TJ-> antonio_: can you pastebin the output please?
[09:32] <antonio_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7679105/
[09:32] <JohnQ> Thats a wifi card.
[09:32] <tomreyn> so you only have a wireless card
[09:33] <tomreyn> no ethernet one
[09:33] <antonio_> oh...
[09:33] <JohnQ> Possibly disabled in your bios?
[09:33] <tomreyn> or it was not detected for some reason, which is rare
[09:33] <antonio_> am I supposed to have a phone looking plug in my laptop?
[09:33] <TJ-> antonio_: Is it a laptop/notebook? what make/model ?
[09:34] <antonio_> haha..just kidding..I'm not a complete idiot ;)  There is an ethernet jack...I might try to see if its disabled in the bios..never thought about that
[09:34] <tomreyn> you might be mixing up RJ-45 (ethernet) and RJ-25 (phone line) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Rjxx.jpg
[09:35] <antonio_> tomreyn: I know what an rj45 cable is..went to school for networking years ago...
[09:35] <TJ-> antonio_: If it's an older model with fast ethernet, it may be one that switches between the WiFi and Ethernet chipsets so only one is available at once... does it have a "wifi switcher" button?
[09:35] <tomreyn> ok
[09:35] <antonio_> besides...who the hell still has landlines? ;)
[09:35]  * tomreyn has
[09:36] <antonio_> TJ-: hmm..yes...when I click the f2 button the wifi switches off
[09:36] <TJ-> Anyone with an xDSL device
[09:36] <tomreyn> it's also an awesome fallback in times of crisis
[09:36] <TJ-> antonio_: OK, with it *off* do the command I gave you again... "lspci -knn | egrep -i '(net|wire)'  "
[09:36] <antonio_> ok brb
[09:37] <JohnQ> Anyone have any ideas for how to make /dev/dri/card0 show up?
[09:37] <TJ-> antonio_: if there's a switcher then this time you should see the ethernet wired device listed
[09:37] <tomreyn> JohnQ: load a mesa + DRI based driver which supports your hardware
[09:38] <JohnQ> Ive got the nvidia driver installed... it claims to support DRI... but no /dev/
[09:38] <tomreyn> JohnQ: those are the open source (non proprietary) drivers.
[09:38] <tomreyn> you'd want nouveau then
[09:38] <antonio_> back
[09:38] <antonio_> here is what I got http://paste.ubuntu.com/7679137/
[09:38] <antonio_> Think its the same thing
[09:39] <JohnQ> hmmmm nouveau.   Ok ... looking into that.
[09:40] <antonio_> brb..checking bios
[09:40] <JohnQ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7679144/
[09:40] <tomreyn> antonio_: i guess the best way forward is you try to get internet through the wireless interface, then upgrade to a supported Ubuntu version, then see whether your ethernet is still undetected.
[09:41] <tomreyn> JohnQ: http://askubuntu.com/questions/264532/revert-back-to-nouveau-drivers
[09:41] <TJ-> tomreyn: if antonio_ typed the command I gave him (which included "-k") then there's no kernel module loaded for that device
[09:42] <scienceguy> Guys I am getting a problem: I based a bash file, but it opens in gedit instead of the terminal. What to do??
[09:42] <scienceguy> correction: a shell script
[09:42] <cjae> is usb 3 really not supported in vbox?
[09:43] <geirha> scienceguy: make sure the very first line of the script reads   #!/usr/bin/env bash    and that the file has the executable bit set (in the permissions tab)
[09:43] <Kartagis> scienceguy: open it in the terminal
[09:43] <Kartagis> scienceguy: ie. nano script.sh
[09:43] <Kartagis> or vim
[09:43] <tomreyn> TJ-: how would the output differ if there was a driver loaded?
[09:44] <Kartagis> (which is way better, really)
[09:44] <scienceguy> first line is: !/usr/bin/env bash
[09:44] <khaitanya> scienceguy: chmod a+x filename
[09:44] <scienceguy> good?
[09:44] <TJ-> tomreyn: The last line would say "Kernel driver in use: ..."
[09:44] <tomreyn> TJ-:  we're talking "lspci -knn | egrep -i '(net|wire)' " and http://paste.ubuntu.com/7679137/ right?
[09:44] <cjae> it doesnt look like it is
[09:44] <geirha> scienceguy: don't forget the #
[09:45] <happy_watermelon> gah
[09:45] <happy_watermelon> cant tell if its ubuntu
[09:45] <happy_watermelon> or comcast..
[09:45] <happy_watermelon> thats boning me tonight
[09:45] <happy_watermelon> making me a sad melon
[09:45] <_subZer0> Difference bw (scienceguy) first line is: !/usr/bin/env bash and #!/bin/bash?
[09:45] <tomreyn> TJ-:  with this command the kernel driver would not be in the grepped output
[09:45] <cfhowlett> happy_watermelon 5 lines of useless info: state the details or rant elsewhere
[09:46] <TJ-> tomreyn: arggh... of course! oops
[09:46] <scienceguy> First line: #!/bin/bash
[09:46] <geirha> _subZer0: the difference is whether it looks for bash in PATH, or specifically uses the one installed in /bin/
[09:46] <scienceguy> ????
[09:46] <happy_watermelon> cfhowlett: go fuck yourself
[09:46] <TJ-> tomreyn: Hopefully it is as simple as the model having a wifi/ethernet switcher ... but he didn't tell us the make/model so we have to guess. I'm assuming it is a laptop/notebook type
[09:46] <happy_watermelon> you fall on the wrong side of the bellcurve, cunt
[09:46] <happy_watermelon> you have the audacity to talk shit so easily
[09:46] <cfhowlett> !langauge
[09:46] <happy_watermelon> fucking waste of sperm
[09:46] <TJ-> goodbye happy_watermelon
[09:46] <happy_watermelon> bad idea mate
[09:46] <cfhowlett> !ops| watermelon
[09:47] <scienceguy> How is this so difficult...
[09:47] <tomreyn> TJ-: i didn't even know such switches exist.
[09:47] <TJ-> tomreyn: Yes... they were all the rage for a while with some broadcom chipsets
[09:47] <geirha> scienceguy: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/CommandsAndArguments#Scripts
[09:48] <TJ-> scienceguy: did you install the .desktop file I showed you?
[09:49] <m1dnight__> hey guys, I'm wondering what is a *decent* remote desktop thing for ubuntu?
[09:50] <lee2> im trying to add a sleep 5 to this script before the app is run but i'm not quite sure where to add it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7679168/
[09:50] <cfhowlett> m1dnight__ strangely enough "remote desktop viewer"
[09:50] <m1dnight__> hm, let me see if I tried that one before
[09:50] <happy_watermelon> pussy ass bitch ass virgins
[09:50] <m1dnight__> I've tried a few, but most were kinda sluggish
[09:51] <cfhowlett> !ops|happy_watermelon profanity
[09:51] <m1dnight__> oh cfhowlett , I mean a server
[09:51] <scienceguy> TJ-: It didn't work :/
[09:51] <happy_watermelon> suck my nuts
[09:51] <m1dnight__> So I can access the machine via windows and/or linux
[09:51] <happy_watermelon> yall niggas lame af
[09:51] <Kartagis> m1dnight__: try vinagre
[09:51] <cfhowlett> m1dnight__ never done so, but I assume no gui?
[09:51] <happy_watermelon> using shitbuntu
[09:51] <Ben64> m1dnight__: theres vino, and a multitude of vnc servers
[09:51] <happy_watermelon> debian n centos > crapbuntu
[09:52] <happy_watermelon> using a distro with more backdoors than sasha greys asshole
[09:52] <m1dnight__> can somebody kick this guy?
[09:52] <antonio_> ok back
[09:52] <Ben64> m1dnight__: just ignore the troll
[09:52] <scienceguy> This is what I have:
[09:52] <scienceguy> #!/usr/bin/env bash  python  from ase.gui.ag import main  main()
[09:52] <Kartagis> !op | happy_watermelon swearing
[09:52] <cfhowlett> m1dnight__ ops seem to be asleep
[09:52] <TJ-> scienceguy: define "didn't work" .... that is  *the* way it is done... but you may need to log-out/log-in or even reboot, in order for the desktop manager to scan and find the new file. I know Unity had/has that issue
[09:52]  * m1dnight__ is going to give vinagre a try
[09:52] <m1dnight__> thank you guys
[09:52] <scienceguy> Everytime I open it it just opens in gedit
[09:53] <antonio_> my wlan (eth I'm assuming) wasn't disabled in bios...there were 3 options...1 disabled...2 wlan with wifi...and 3...wifi wlan with pxe I think
[09:53] <scienceguy> TJ-: be back soon!
[09:53] <Kartagis> m1dnight__: sorry, vinagre is the client and vino is the server
[09:53] <Kartagis> m1dnight__: so, try vino
[09:53] <TJ-> scienceguy: You don't open the file directly... it teaches the DM where to find programs, you can simply type "ase-gui" in thw dash and it should then pick up the application details from that file
[09:53] <happy_watermelon> m1dnight__: you wan to get ovened :)
[09:53] <geirha> scienceguy: That's python syntax. You can't use that in bash. Write a python script instead.
[09:54] <antonio_> jesus...even wifi is running really...really....really slow
[09:54] <TJ-> antonio_: You fixed it?
[09:54] <m1dnight__> oh okay was booting my machine anyway :D
[09:54] <geirha> scienceguy: http://sprunge.us/VHHI    like that,  and make the file executable, that's important.
[09:55] <antonio_> tj-: wifi is working..still no eth
[09:55] <antonio_> wifi is going so damn slow
[09:55] <TJ-> antonio_: Well it may be using 802.11b :)
[09:55] <happy_watermelon> someone wants a cockmeat sandwhich whilst baking in the oven =D
[09:55] <TJ-> antonio_: Now, tell us what make/model the PC is so we can check things out
[09:56] <Uio> .
[09:56] <happy_watermelon> .
[09:56] <antonio_> dell inspiron 1545
[09:56] <cfhowlett> antonio_ same make/model here:
[09:56] <tomreyn> antonio_: if you got a usb key, your best bet now may be to download mini.iso (since it's a small download) of 14.04, put that on a usb key, and install the current ubuntu that way.
[09:57] <TJ-> antonio_: can you "lspci -knnv | pastebinit"
[09:57] <happy_watermelon> TJ-: kill yourself
[09:57] <happy_watermelon> kill -9 $$
[09:58] <antonio_> tj-: can't find that package..dont have it installed
[09:59] <happy_watermelon> antonio_: kill -9 $$
[09:59] <happy_watermelon> fixes your problems mate
[09:59] <White_Wolf> yay
[09:59] <tomreyn> antonio_: which package? and please ignore happy_watermelon
[09:59] <cfhowlett> popey thank you.  you were missed.
[09:59] <TJ-> antonio_: can you "lspci -knnv" manually then?
[09:59] <antonio_> haha..I am..he's an idiot
[09:59] <TJ-> antonio_: tomreyn 12.10 doesn't have pastebinit by default, I think
[10:00] <tomreyn> oh okay
[10:00] <Ben64> wait, 12.10? that is no longer supported
[10:00] <tomreyn> we found that out already ;)
[10:01] <Ben64> then its upgrade time, not support time :)
[10:01] <geirha> luckily you can upgrade directly from 12.10 to 13.10
[10:01] <Ben64> not true at all
[10:01] <JohnQ> tomreyn: Ive switched to nouveau, but the video playback is very choppy and stuttery.  It does not seem to have an xorg.conf ... is that normal?
[10:01] <antonio_> tj-: here http://paste.ubuntu.com/7679208/
[10:01] <Ben64> 12.10 -> 13.04 -> 13.10 -> 14.04
[10:01] <Ben64> it'd be better at this point to install 14.04 fresh
[10:02] <varunendra> antonio_, what is the problem? Somebody said 'wireless', so... ;p
[10:02] <geirha> Ben64: it's a special case because of the change from 18 month to 9 month support
[10:03] <geirha> so 12.10 -> 13.10 *is* supported
[10:03] <tomreyn> JohnQ: the open driver may not perform as well as the proprietary one. but that's not what you had asked about. and it's normal not to have an xorg.conf, yes. it is constructed dynamically by the open driver when X starts up.
[10:03] <JohnQ> I see
[10:03] <JohnQ> Hmm
[10:04] <Ben64> geirha: i can't find anything supporting that
[10:04] <TJ-> antonio_: You seem to be missing "09:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller [11ab:4354] (rev 13)"
[10:04] <JohnQ> So, none of the nvidia drivers will create a /dev/dri/ device?
[10:04] <antonio_> hmm...any idea on how to get that?
[10:04] <TJ-> JohnQ: Yes, the nvidia driver does create /dev/dri/cardX/ nodes
[10:05] <geirha> Ben64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SaucyUpgrades
[10:05] <tomreyn> JohnQ: the one you have now did not? then i assume you are actually running the vesa / fallback driver, not the nouveau one. your Xorg.*.log will tell.
[10:05] <antonio_> who is that watermelon clown?  keeps on pming me
[10:05] <cfhowlett> antonio_ a clown he is.  ignore.
[10:05] <antonio_> and no one has banned him yet?
[10:05] <JohnQ> tomreyn: the nouveau one did, but playback is not watchable...
[10:05] <TJ-> antonio_: "lspci" lists what the kernel discovers during hardware probing, so it could be the device has failed, if it isn't disabled in BIOS. I think you need to recheck that, I think it's under the Onboard devices sub-tab on the Inspiron
[10:05] <tomreyn> antonio_: type this: /ignore happy_watermelon
[10:06] <JohnQ> TJ-: is there a trick to make it happen?  The ones I tried did not.
[10:06] <antonio_> brb...checking bios
[10:06] <tomreyn> JohnQ: what are you trying to achieve, and why?
[10:06] <TJ-> JohnQ: Not that I know of, I see /dev/dri/card{0,1,2} for my 3 GPUs
[10:06] <JohnQ> tomreyn: Im trying to get smooth video playback.  Doesnt much matter how..
[10:07] <JohnQ> the nvidia driver using RTC timing or "usleep with busy wait" causes tearing...
[10:07] <scienceguy> this is ridiculus
[10:07] <tomreyn> JohnQ: so getting /dev/dri/cardX/ was just an intermediary step towards that goal?
[10:07] <JohnQ> the nouveau one plays at 4 fps...
[10:07] <JohnQ> tomreyn: yes.
[10:08] <tomreyn> JohnQ: so you should probably convert back to the proprietary driver.
[10:08] <abhie2e> how can i pxe boot my virtual box / vmware machine from my host machine?
[10:08] <tomreyn> JohnQ: i just helped you reach the stated goal of "i want to have /dev/dri/cardX/"
[10:08] <Ben64> JohnQ: the binary driver works much better than nouveau
[10:09] <JohnQ> Indeed.  But the tearing is very distracting.
[10:09] <Ben64> then change settings?
[10:09] <TJ-> JohnQ: with the nivida driver, you should see several DRI messages in the X server log; try "grep -H DRI /var/log/Xorg.?.log"
[10:10] <Ben64> JohnQ: what video card
[10:10] <JohnQ> I did.  (Still putting the nvidia rivers back).
[10:10] <JohnQ> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] (rev a2)
[10:10] <Ben64> oh thats old
[10:11] <JohnQ> I have the options of nvidia-304 nvidia-304-updates or nvidia-173   Which do you reccomend trying?
[10:11] <abhie2e> how can i pxe boot my virtual box / vmware machine from my host machine?
[10:11] <Ben64> JohnQ: 304
[10:12] <JohnQ> K
[10:12] <Ben64> it doesn't have vdpau, which would make video awesome
[10:12] <JohnQ> "it"?
[10:13] <Ben64> your vid card
[10:13] <JohnQ> Yeah.  Its not the newest machien.
[10:13] <JohnQ> But it has been able to play 1080p smoothly with older distros... so in theory it is physically possible :-)
[10:14] <scienceguy> TJ-: I did it! Good night!
[10:14] <TJ-> scienceguy: well done :)
[10:14] <scienceguy> Temporary fix, but it works.
[10:14] <scienceguy> I just have to type into the terminal each time.
[10:14] <scienceguy> Ubuntu is such a drain of my time...
[10:15] <TJ-> scienceguy: That's no good! install the .desktop file and you're sorted
[10:15] <scienceguy> I did, but it doesn't work
[10:15] <scienceguy> I wish linux was more accessible
[10:16] <JohnQ> OK... back to the nvidia driver, but no /dev/dri/
[10:16] <TJ-> scienceguy: Complain to the authors of python-ase, they should provide the desktop file
[10:16] <TJ-> JohnQ: Are you using "nomodeset" or similar? Check the Xorg log-file for DRI messages
[10:17] <scienceguy> TJ-: I got it to work now.
[10:17] <JohnQ> there are DRI messages in my Xorg.0.log.
[10:17] <JohnQ> Not sure what "nomodset" is/
[10:18] <TJ-> JohnQ: Here's what I see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7679272/
[10:18] <scienceguy> TJ-: This is what I needed to do: open home folder, edit > preferences > behavior > select run executable text files when they are opened
[10:18] <JohnQ> I see the same (except for the NVIDIA(1) lines... only one monitor)
[10:18] <TJ-> scienceguy: With a .desktop file none of that is necessary
[10:19] <TJ-> JohnQ: Yes, I have 3 GPUs on 2 cards
[10:19] <scienceguy> Good night!
[10:19] <JohnQ> but other than that... I see the same in my logs.
[10:19] <scienceguy> Time to save the world with awesome science!!!
[10:19] <TJ-> JohnQ: Hmmm, I wonder if the nvidia version you're using doesn't create the DRI nodes
[10:20] <JohnQ> That does seem to be the case.
[10:20] <Ben64> its the legacy driver because its a legacy card. why is /dev/dri necessary here?
[10:20] <JohnQ> But I am not sure if it is a problem with my config.. .or just a feature of that driver version..
[10:21] <JohnQ> Ben64: I'm just trying to get rid of the tearing in video playback.  I uderstand that DRI is the way to do that... but if there is a better way I am all for it.
[10:22] <Ben64> try using mplayer2
[10:27] <JohnQ> mplayer2 has tearing too.
[10:28] <invisibleman> guys im having a hard time with ubuntu https://i.imgur.com/tvJsu2T.jpg
[10:28] <cfhowlett> !ops|invisibleman porn
[10:30] <Ben64> JohnQ: ok, pastebin the output of "mplayer -endpos 5 <file>"
[10:32] <JohnQ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7679344/
[10:35] <Ben64> JohnQ: well if you're using a compositing window manager, try using something else. if you aren't then... deal with the tearing until you get a better system?
[10:35] <JohnQ> I do have composting turned on in unity ...
[10:36] <JohnQ> I could switch to a different window manager... I dont really even need one for mythtv...
[10:36] <JohnQ> Can you suggest a lightweight one?
[10:37] <Ben64> not sure
[10:37] <NthDegree> `xcompmgr -a` on top of any normal non-compositing WM
[10:37] <NthDegree> that gives you the lightest compositing going
[10:38] <NthDegree> the tearing should be near 0 as long as you enable vsync on the drivers
[10:38] <JohnQ> Not sure I followed how to do that...
[10:38] <JohnQ> But it sounds encouraging.
[10:38] <histo> JohnQ: openbox is light
[10:39] <NthDegree> JohnQ, are you on NVIDIA or ATI for graphics?
[10:39] <JohnQ> nvidia
[10:39] <NthDegree> JohnQ, check that SyncToVBlank is enabled in NVIDIA settings
[10:40] <JohnQ> It was off.
[10:40] <NthDegree> JohnQ, that meant you had no VSync
[10:40] <NthDegree> so tearing was expected
[10:41] <NthDegree> log off and on again
[10:41] <JohnQ> I really hope this is it.
[10:41] <NthDegree> and you should see no tearing anymore :D
[10:41] <NthDegree> assuming you're on Unity or another compositing DE
[10:41] <JohnQ> Yeah unity
[10:44] <cjae> when I install a package isnt there a directory that keeps the deb?
[10:45] <NthDegree> cjae, on apt-get?
[10:45] <cfhowlett> cjae it'll be in your cache
[10:46] <histo> cjae: /var/cache/apt/
[10:46] <cjae> histo: thank you
[10:46] <histo> cjae: sorry /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:46] <cjae> wanna try and steal a package from another deb based distro
[10:47] <histo> cjae: why?
[10:47] <cjae> dont think its available on others. too vague a title to search in google
[10:48] <JohnQ> Nope.  Still tearing.
[10:48] <NthDegree> JohnQ, run NVIDIA Settings and check it again
[10:48] <histo> cjae: what is the name of the package?
[10:48] <NthDegree> JohnQ, the problem with NVIDIA is the settings don't always apply before the DE loads :(
[10:49] <cjae> histo: encode
[10:49] <JohnQ> Interesting... it is off again.  :-/
[10:49] <cjae> written in qt
[10:49] <NthDegree> JohnQ, did you save settings?
[10:49] <JohnQ> I did...
[10:49] <NthDegree> JohnQ, after checking the box, go to the very bottom section
[10:50] <NthDegree> JohnQ, then click on 'Save Current Configuration' (or else it isn't saved)
[10:50] <histo> !info encode
[10:50] <histo> !find encode
[10:50] <JohnQ> into a .file in my home dir?
[10:50] <JohnQ> That seems odd.
[10:50] <NthDegree> JohnQ, seems odd but it's correct
[10:50] <JohnQ> ok
[10:50] <histo> cjae: do you have it's website? You could make a deb from source with checkinstall
[10:50] <NthDegree> JohnQ, there should be a startup process that picks up that file on login
[10:51] <JohnQ> ok  We'll see :-)
[10:51] <MonkeyDust> JohnQ  home contains a hidden .config folder
[10:51] <cjae> one sec histo
[10:52] <NthDegree> MonkeyDust, we're on about ~/.nvidia-settingsrc  xD
[10:52] <arun_> guys, does anyone have a UBuntu VPS and wanna lend me some space of it ?
[10:52] <cjae> histo: http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=jsv9yts0ebl8x07btp0v.png
[10:53] <Ben64> arun_: this is not the right channel for that
[10:53] <arun_> Ben64: so, where can I ask for ?
[10:54] <cjae> histo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TpOLKbta4s
[10:54] <cfhowlett> arun_ #ubuntu-offtopic?
[10:54] <histo> cjae: I have no idea what that is.
[10:54] <Ben64> arun_: i doubt anyone will give you something for free
[10:54] <cjae> gui re-encoder
[10:55] <NthDegree> Why would anyone risk VPS security?
[10:56] <JohnQ> Still didnt take.
[10:56] <JohnQ> Is there a way to set it in the Xorg.conf or something?
[10:56] <MonkeyDust> cjae  there's also winFF
[10:56] <histo> cjae: Have you used the app before?
[10:57] <NthDegree> JohnQ, not sure there unfortunately :(
[10:58] <abhie2e> i installed dhcp3-server but there is no /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server
[10:58] <abhie2e> help
[10:58] <MonkeyDust> abhie2e  better ask in #ubuntu-server, i guess
[10:59] <cjae> histo: not much and I used winff and the two things I wanted to use it for it didnt work. Mainly due to the ffmpeg fork. This may be a issue with this app as well
[10:59] <abhie2e> arun_, come in pm
[10:59] <abhie2e> MonkeyDust, ok
[10:59] <histo> cjae: then why are you looking for a application that you only have a screenshot of and no information about?
[10:59] <cjae> histo: huh? I have installed in a vm
[11:00] <histo> cjae: you have what installed?
[11:00] <cjae> neptune that has the app in question in it
[11:01] <JohnQ> But, if I enable that setting, then it takes effect immediately?
[11:01] <histo> cjae: in what distro?
[11:01] <cjae> http://www.zevenos.com/download/zevenos-neptune-2
[11:02] <MonkeyDust> cjae  what's the output of: cat /etc/issue
[11:02] <cjae> on what? MonkeyDust
[11:03] <cjae> my host or guest?
[11:03] <MonkeyDust> cjae  in a terminal
[11:03] <cjae> ...
[11:03] <JohnQ> A terminal in the vm
[11:03] <MonkeyDust> cjae  the system you're working with and that gives issues
[11:04] <histo> cjae: try man encode  and go to the bottom of the man page what does it give for a link?
[11:05] <cjae> Debian GNULinux 7
[11:05] <histo> cjae: does it say where it's from?
[11:06] <cjae> no man encode page
[11:06] <histo> cjae: is that the applicaiton that is launched there?  look at the whatever.desktop file and see what is launching.
[11:07] <cjae> damn clipboard aint working in vbox
[11:07] <cjae> one sec
[11:08] <cjae> sorry darn ...forgot
[11:08] <histo> cjae: here is a package list for zevenos neptune but a few of those packages I can't find in debian or ubuntu http://www.zevenos.com/files/neptune32-packagelist.txt
[11:09] <cjae> $/usr/bin/Encode.gambas
[11:11] <cjae> I dont see it in the apt-cache, wonder if I do a reinstall if it would download it?
[11:11] <cjae> */apt/archive*
[11:12] <histo> cjae: apt-get download encode
[11:15] <cjae> downloaded version 3.0 still dont see package thou haha
[11:16] <cjae> can launch but no .deb
[11:20] <histo> cjae: if you apt-get download it will download it into whatever directory you are in.
[11:21] <cjae> histo: haha there it is
[11:22] <cjae> wonder what the issues are going to be with older deb repos
[11:22] <cjae> will try in vm first
[11:22] <histo> cjae: you could apt-cache showpkg encode and see what it requires
[11:22] <symptom> How to download files from ubuntu one without ubuntu?
[11:23] <cfhowlett> symptom via the web ... and quickly
[11:23] <JohnQ> NthDegree: Nope.  Tearing happens even with vsync enabled.  :-/
[11:23] <TJ-> symptom: http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/2014/06/03/moving-your-content-away-from-ubuntu-one-file-services/
[11:23] <symptom> cfhowlett, i logged on but I have to download each file individually?
[11:24] <symptom> right click save as?
[11:24] <NthDegree> JohnQ, that's unusual, only video games seem to have that problem :|
[11:24] <MonkeyDust> symptom  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/06/ubuntu-one-downloader-app
[11:24] <JohnQ> And mythtv, apparently :-(
[11:24] <histo> cjae: you know what try apt-cache showsrc encode
[11:24] <symptom> cfhowlett, TJ- I tried their script, but it just brings me back to the 'shutdown' page
[11:24] <NthDegree> JohnQ, keep in mind that per-app settings can override it
[11:24] <cjae> histo: what was this stuff about checkinstall?
[11:24] <cjae> histo: ok one sec
[11:24] <cfhowlett> symptom there's a script now???
[11:24] <Omnipotent> TJ-, hehe sucks, just for fun, I tried hulu.com through squid3 but turns out that this IP is blocked by them
[11:25] <Omnipotent> Requesting my VPS provider to change it
[11:25] <Omnipotent> :P
[11:25] <NthDegree> JohnQ, might consider using Lubuntu (or LXDE) and trying it with `xcompmgr -a`
[11:25] <NthDegree> JohnQ, Unity might be loading before NVIDIA settings kick in, leaving the DE non-VSync :(
[11:25] <JohnQ> I dont want to completey switch distros... I just got this system (mostly) working...
[11:25] <histo> cjae: checkinstall was for creating a deb file from source code. This will not be needed if the deb works
[11:25] <JohnQ> Can I just change WMs?
[11:26] <NthDegree> JohnQ, of course you can :)
[11:26] <symptom> cfhowlett, TJ- MonkeyDust  http://ubuntuone.com/u1-downloader/u1-downloader.tar.gz redirects me to the 'shutdown' page
[11:26] <cjae> histo: right but im thinking it wont work and...
[11:26] <NthDegree> JohnQ, on the login screen you can pick what WM you want to use from the icon to the right of the username
[11:26] <histo> cjae: pastebin the apt-cache showsrc encode  output please
[11:26] <histo> !paste | cjae
[11:26] <NthDegree> JohnQ, also `sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop` gets you all the stuff without switching distros
[11:26] <cfhowlett> symptom are you signed in to Ubuntu ONe?
[11:27] <symptom> cfhowlett, yes
[11:27] <symptom> cfhowlett, via web only
[11:27] <JohnQ> hm
[11:27] <Fusl> can someone confirm that, when opening the volume control menu ( https://www.dropbox.com/s/y1pwc9fbwsqgdtu/Screenshot%202014-06-21%2013.26.00.png ) and then trying to turn the volume up/down with the keyboard (function keys), it does not work, is a bug?
[11:27] <cjae> histo: unable to locate package
[11:28] <histo> cjae: dpkg -l | grep encode
[11:28] <JohnQ> NthDegree: My login page (which is normally skipped) does not have an option like that.
[11:28] <JohnQ> Only thing it lets me do is select user and type password.
[11:29] <symptom> cfhowlett, TJ- MonkeyDust do any of you have a copy of the U1 script in tar.gz?
[11:30] <histo> cjae: do we have the right package name?
[11:30] <TJ-> symptom: That file downloads correctly for me, at least after logging-in to Ubuntu One
[11:30] <cjae> histo: yep
[11:30] <symptom> TJ-, can I get a copy?
[11:30] <cfhowlett> symptom sorry, don't know what to tell you.  I grabbed all my files the day the closedown was announced
[11:30] <MonkeyDust> symptom  so did I
[11:31] <cjae> look like it, I can pastebin that but it takes a second since I cant clipboard between guest and host
[11:31] <cjae> histo: ^^
[11:31] <mikubuntu> i see someone else is having problem dl ubuntu one files .. i followed instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/U1/Downloader/Linux/How_to_Use but not working for me
[11:31] <symptom> mikubuntu, then im not crazy?
[11:32] <TJ-> symptom: what browser are you using? Maybe it downloads the file in the background and redirects the page to the shutdown message in the meantime
[11:32] <NthDegree> JohnQ, might need to look into what login screen you've chosen
[11:32] <mikubuntu> i can't certify that :P'
[11:32] <symptom> TJ-, no.... iceweasel
[11:32] <NthDegree> JohnQ, normally there's a little Ubuntu logo next to the username after you've clicked on it
[11:32] <JohnQ> Nope.  Nothing like that
[11:32] <symptom> TJ-, MonkeyDust mikubuntu I used chromium and it downloads now
[11:32] <symptom> lol
[11:32] <TJ-> symptom: Have you tried it from a terminal, with "wget http://ubuntuone.com/u1-downloader/u1-downloader.tar.gz" ?
[11:33] <histo> cjae: you could pastebin on the guest.  pastebin apt-cache showpkg encode && apt-cache showsrc encode
[11:34] <histo> cjae: also dpkg -L encode
[11:34] <cfhowlett> !touch > cfhowlett
[11:34] <cjae> pastebin.com/hEymtBcj
[11:35] <histo> cjae: okay pastebin the other stuff I asked also
[11:36] <mikubuntu> TJ-: i used the wget string you just posted and it seems to have downloaded the tar.gz, but i think i had already done that much. could you walk me thru the next steps possibly?
[11:36] <abhishek> hi
[11:36] <arun_> abhishek: hey
[11:37] <TJ-> mikubuntu: I have no idea - I don't use it myself
[11:37] <abhishek> where r u from?
[11:37] <cfhowlett> abhishek ask your #ubuntu support question
[11:37] <sveta> he means ask your question please
[11:37] <mikubuntu> TJ-: thx anyways :P
[11:37] <sveta> it can be related to the distro or to any software on it
[11:38] <abhishek> I am new to ubuntu
[11:38] <sveta> welcome
[11:38] <sveta> I am also a bit new
[11:38] <TJ-> mikdid you follow this guide? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/U1/Downloader/Linux/How_to_Use
[11:38] <abhishek> i want to learn scripting
[11:38] <histo> abhishek: what kind of scripting?
[11:38] <TJ-> mikubuntu: did you follow that ^^^^^ guide?
[11:38] <cfhowlett> !bash | abhishek
[11:38] <sveta> good -- I might recommend reading rute and the ubunwu wiki pages related to scripting
[11:38] <csj> Me too.
[11:38] <sveta> the wiki pages ubottu just linked
[11:38] <mikubuntu> i have dl the tar.gz file for retrieving ubuntu one files, but can't seem to complete the process
[11:38] <abhishek> thanx sveta
[11:39] <sveta> it doesn't really matter what terminal you use
[11:39] <histo> abhishek: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/
[11:39] <sveta> thanks histo :)
[11:39] <mikubuntu> TJ-: yes i tried to follow those steps but no cigar
[11:39] <TJ-> mikubuntu: which step of that guide fails?
[11:39] <histo> mikubuntu: tar -xvzf whatever.tar.gz
[11:39] <cjae> pastebin.com/39Cai0Mq
[11:40] <solon> Does anyone use vim for coding or do you prefer to use ides ?
[11:40] <cjae> histo: link updated
[11:41] <cfhowlett> solon quite sure SOMEONE uses vim - dealer's choice.   use what works for you
[11:41] <mikubuntu> histo: -xvzf: command not found
[11:41] <cjae> dont they let you edit the pastebin page to use the same link?
[11:43] <MonkeyDust> mikubuntu  tar is the command, the rest are options
[11:43] <histo> cjae: look at /usr/share/doc/encode/copyright
[11:44] <mikubuntu> MonkeyDust: don't understand :(
[11:44] <e^> mikubuntu: type tar -xzvf <filename.tar.gz>
[11:44] <MonkeyDust> mikubuntu  "-xvzf" is not a command, "tar" is the command, i guess you forgot that
[11:44] <histo> cjae: I think the distro maintainer made that frontend
[11:45] <histo> solon: what is your real question. Many people use vim
[11:45] <mikubuntu> ok, lemme try
[11:46] <Aussie_matt> Hi all: Im hoping someone can provide some input: I was looking at the dell xps13 DE with ubuntu factory installed in a i7 version, but it's since been pulled, and now only an i5 is available. How much reall world difference exists between the i7 and i5?
[11:46] <mikubuntu>   e^   with <> on either side of filename?
[11:47] <e^> mikubuntu: no just filename.tar.gz
[11:47] <cjae> histo: might be wrong pkg,
[11:49] <mikubuntu> e^:  tar -xvzf ul-downloader.tar.gz tar (child): ul-downloader.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[11:49] <TJ-> mikubuntu: "3. Go to the folder where you downloaded the file (probably Downloads)..."
[11:49] <e^> mikubuntu: are you in the directory where it is located ? type ls
[11:49] <csj> cd
[11:49] <cjae> pastebin.com/fV9Tw75E
[11:50] <e^> and see if it's there
[11:50] <cjae> 2009?
[11:50] <cfhowlett> Aussie_matt see the forums  http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/os-applications/f/4613.aspx
[11:50] <Ben64> mikubuntu: take out that "tar" at the end
[11:50] <cjae> wait no its not
[11:51] <neutralizer> hi, is there a better tool than ssh for proxy tunneling for ubuntu? I mean I use "ssh -D 3333 -N SERVER" and then use it as socks proxy but it's what I have to do every time I want it. Isn't there a one time setup and auto reconnect if disconnected.
[11:51] <mikubuntu> e^: i get a bunch of blue text (desktop downloads pics etc and then in red is the name of the file ul-downloader.tar.gz
[11:51] <Aussie_matt> cfhowlett: sure, looking now
[11:52] <vimes1984> hello
[11:52] <vimes1984> is there anyone here?
[11:52] <Cuber> Hey gents, I'm having issues with the flash player on Firefox 30.0 using Xubuntu 14.04. Every time I start viewing online videos, the whole browser freezes for ~20-30 seconds
[11:52] <Ben64> vimes1984: over 1600 people
[11:52] <vimes1984> splendid!!!
[11:52] <vimes1984> I come looking for help
[11:53] <Cuber> !ask
[11:53] <e^> Ben64: i think that's part of the error, mikubuntu are you adding an extra "tar" at the end of the command ?
[11:53] <mikubuntu> Ben64: guess i just don't understand
[11:53] <chatter1> hi
[11:53] <chatter1> whats the topic?
[11:53] <cfhowlett> !topic | chatter1
[11:53] <Ben64> chatter1: same as always, ubuntu support
[11:53] <mikubuntu> Ben64: i don't know what you mean by adding extra tar
[11:53] <Ben64> mikubuntu: <mikubuntu> e^:  tar -xvzf ul-downloader.tar.gz tar
[11:54] <cjae> histo: oh well must not want to disclose src, ill let you know if I was able to install deb, thanks for help... also not telling to go to some other channel   thumbs up
[11:54] <vimes1984> I'm desperatly trying to solve a problem http://superuser.com/questions/771028/mount-usb-to-serial-adapter-canbus-and-can-utils-ubuntu
[11:54] <chatter1> extra tar?
[11:54] <Cuber> Do you guys reckon I should head over to some firefox channel instead?
[11:54] <MonkeyDust> Cuber  the question is the answer
[11:55] <cfhowlett> MonkeyDust deep!
[11:55] <Cuber> 2deep5me
[11:55] <mikubuntu> Ben64: i entered: tar -xvzf ul-downloader.tar.gz tar as you typed it -- cannot open: no such file or dir
[11:56] <vimes1984> basically I'm trying to connect a can bus device via a cheap usb to canbus adapter and I'm failing misreably
[11:57] <e^> mikubuntu: he was asking if you added "tar" at the end, not telling you to add it
[11:57] <Ben64> mikubuntu: i said get rid of the extra tar, and posted what you said
[11:57] <e^> it's part of the error msg, not an extra tar
[11:57] <Ben64> well it was all on the same line
[11:57] <e^> yeah i know, just saying
[11:58] <Ben64> mikubuntu: use pastebins if you need to show up something that is more than one line
[12:01] <vimes1984> ok
[12:01] <mikubuntu> the only thing that ever helps me through these term situations is if someone walks me thru the steps -- i've tried to follow the instructions on the page, but doesn't work for me. don't know why. the downloader file seems to be in the archive manager, can it be 'extracted' with that? is that what i want to do?
[12:01] <vimes1984> how do i send a wake up frame via can-utils to a canopen device
[12:07] <mikubuntu> Ben64: can i do this through the archive manager any easier?
[12:08] <infinmed> Hey . Is there a google authenticator application for ubuntu
[12:09] <infinmed> Like the one android has or whatever
[12:09] <infinmed> So I can use 2 factor auth
[12:12] <Cuber> infinmed, you could just run it via some android emulator
[12:13] <abhie2e> while trying to /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server start i get error  * check syslog for diagnostics. fail
[12:13] <abhie2e> help
[12:16] <infinmed> abhie2e: lol so read the syslog ;]
[12:17] <infinmed> That'd be a start, i'd think
[12:17] <abhie2e> infinmed, lol where is the dhcp log?
[12:17] <infinmed> syslog logs are by default in /var/log
[12:17] <abhie2e> infinmed, dhcp is not there
[12:17] <infinmed> i'd do something like 'grep -i dhcp /var/log/* | tail -n 250 | less'
[12:17] <infinmed> and look through it
[12:18] <abhie2e> me too. only if the dhcp would be there
[12:18] <infinmed> abhie2e: then look at the dhcp config file and see where it is logging to
[12:18] <infinmed> hold on i run dhcpd let me look
[12:18] <abhie2e> ok
[12:19] <infinmed> If you look at dhcpd.conf in /etc i imagine the following has somethin to do with your issue. It is uncommented per default at my edge although my edge is not ubuntu: # Use this to send dhcp log messages to a different log file (you also
[12:19] <infinmed> # have to hack syslog.conf to complete the redirection).
[12:19] <infinmed> log-facility local7;
[12:19] <mikubuntu> anybody else having problems downloading files from ubuntu one as described on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/U1/Downloader/Linux/How_to_Use ???
[12:20] <infinmed> This might help also abhie2e https://lists.isc.org/pipermail/dhcp-users/2012-March/015214.html
[12:21] <abhie2e> infinmed, i dont understand what is log-facility?
[12:21] <abhie2e> is that a command?
[12:21] <infinmed> It's the software you use for logging
[12:21] <infinmed> "Logging Facility is the system on the device you want to set logging for (i.e. CDP, SNMP, etc.) The number shoould be the severity, which is how much information to do you want to see about the facility. 7 is debugging."
[12:22] <abhie2e> ok
[12:22] <mikubuntu> i notice that in the instructions when it says to go to the directory it says "cd downloads" and not "cd ~downloads" is this a typo/error?
[12:23] <MonkeyDust> mikubuntu  try cd ~/Downloads
[12:23] <e^> mikubuntu: ~ means home directory, it's not a typo
[12:24] <e^> yeah it needs a /
[12:24] <scene> sure
[12:24] <infinmed> Yeh ~ does no expand to a / at the end. Duh.
[12:24] <mikubuntu> MonkeyDust: so is the instruction in error on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/U1/Downloader/Linux/How_to_Use ??
[12:25] <infinmed> [infinmed@tr3bble.net][~]# echo ~
[12:25] <infinmed> /home/infinmed
[12:26] <abhie2e> infinmed, find / -name 'syslog.conf' returs nothing. i dont have syslog.conf?
[12:26] <abhie2e> how is that possible/
[12:27] <infinmed> abhie2e: I'm not an ubuntu specialist although a lot of linux you have to install your own log daemon as there is more than one
[12:27] <infinmed> Maybe somehow yours was turned off or not installed
[12:27] <abhie2e> ok
[12:27] <e^> mikubuntu: i think you are confusing the "1" in u1-downloader with a "l"
[12:27] <e^> type tar -xzvf u1-downloader.tar.gz
[12:27] <e^> (not ul-downloader.tar.gz)
[12:28] <infinmed> abhie2e: my xubuntu 14.04 is using rsyslogd so try something like 'ps -alx | grep log' or even more precise try syslogd rsyslogd etc
[12:28] <infinmed> If you're wondering if it's running or not
[12:29] <abhie2e> infinmed, okey
[12:30] <scene> Have you solved it
[12:32] <mikubuntu> e^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7679791/
[12:32] <Cuber> ugh, html5 video not working at all
[12:32] <bhavesh> what is dpkg --configure -a command used for/
[12:33] <bhavesh> last time when I shut the virtual machine when it was installing apps, and tried to resume it the next time, it told me to do dpkg --configure -a
[12:33] <bhavesh> what does it do internally?
[12:33] <MonkeyDust> bhavesh  to repair unfinished package installs
[12:33] <bhavesh> MonkeyDust: k thanks.
[12:35] <introom> is it possible for me to do a raw search, just taking it as plain text without any special meaning, in ack-grep?
[12:35] <introom> like ack-grep '.. %s' instead of ack-gre '\.\. %s'
[12:35] <sveta> aw
[12:35] <sveta> what is 'ack-grep' doing in an ubuntu room
[12:35] <sveta> it's really just ack here last time i checked
[12:36] <sveta> on a more serious note, i suspect the folks over at #ack might understand it a bit better
[12:36] <sveta> or not
[12:36] <sveta> i thought they have a channel here
[12:37] <bekks> sveta: Do you mean "apt-get"?
[12:37] <meek_geek> anyone using a macbook pro here ?
[12:37] <epizefiri> Hi there, i've a Lenovo Thinkpad with a Displayport and a VGA output. Can i use both ports together?
[12:37] <bekks> meek_geek: Why?
[12:37] <sveta> sorry, introom. i found you can type "\Q.. %s\E" and it will look for ".. %s" literally
[12:37] <bekks> epizefiri: Depends on your hardware specifications - thats not depending on Ubuntu.
[12:38] <sveta> introom, also the -Q switch of ack will do raw thing like you need
[12:38] <meek_geek> bekks, I have an old macbook pro my sis gave me and i watch to wipe out mac os x and use Ubuntu on it ( Solely )
[12:38] <sveta> just found in man page
[12:38] <bekks> meek_geek: So do it? :)
[12:38] <meek_geek> want*
[12:38] <meek_geek> bekks, but some are saying dual graphics switching won't work ever
[12:39] <epizefiri> Bekks, Lenovo says that the hw permits but refers to windows. ubuntu is the same?
[12:39] <sveta> i might suggest that you try the live cd and play around with it until you're confident that all the hardware works properly
[12:39] <sveta> meek_geek, ^^
[12:39] <meek_geek> Ok
[12:39] <meek_geek> I would do it tonight
[12:39] <meek_geek> I want to know how is the gaming experience on linux ?
[12:39] <meek_geek> natively ?
[12:39] <sveta> from the live cd you can also visit webchat.freenode.net or install an irc client like quassel in the software center to come here
[12:40] <arun_> guys, how would I use OBS for the debian build
[12:40] <MonkeyDust> sveta  meek_geek note: my laptop works flawless with a 14.04 live cd, but not after it's installed
[12:40] <meek_geek> MonkeyDust, mac ?
[12:40] <MonkeyDust> meek_geek  missed that part, sorry, no mac
[12:41] <sveta> meek_geek, about gaming it varies a lot, so you may want to be a little bit more specific about the gaming you'd like to have (i'm quite happy with a chess instance i've got here to play with computer or with a friend, but most gaming folks giggle when they hear that)
[12:41] <sveta> MonkeyDust, curious, i would be interested in details
[12:41] <bekks> meek_geek: dual outputs do not mean dual graphics.
[12:41] <silv3r_m00n> hi there, what is the window manager of ubuntu unity ? compiz ?
[12:41] <meek_geek> bekks, its macbook pro 8,2 with dual graphics INtel HD and AMD Gddr5 graphics
[12:41] <introom> sveta: you great
[12:41] <meek_geek> but it switches to save battery
[12:42] <introom> sveta: but where is the \Q doc-ed, and what about the \E ?
[12:42] <meek_geek> I want to use ubuntu instead of mac os on macbook pro lol
[12:42] <sveta> i believe it uses perl regex, so 'perldoc perlre' for the \Q and \E things would hopefully have it; i suspect that -Q switch to ack itself may be easier to type though
[12:43] <sveta> ...       as a metacharacter introducing a comment, just as in ordinary Perl code.  This also means that if you want real whitespace or        "#" characters in the pattern (outside a character class, where they are unaffected by "/x"), then you'll either have to        escape them (using backslashes or "\Q...\E") or encode them using octal, hex, or "\N{}" escapes. ... <-- perldoc perlre
[12:44] <sveta> meek_geek, try live cd, it should give you some kick, but as MonkeyDust said, the install may introduce problems (how rare or not is that, i dunno, i don't know the background or context to that case)
[12:44] <sveta> from live cd you can also come here
[12:45] <arun_> guys, how would I use OBS for the debian build
[12:45] <sveta> hi
[12:46] <OerHeks> arun_, what is obs?
[12:46] <freezer> hi
[12:46] <scene> sveta:how about puppylinux
[12:46] <freezer> Looking for a good howto to install Ubuntu on a MacBookPro late 2013
[12:46] <arun_> OerHeks: Open Build Service
[12:46] <sveta> hrmz
[12:46] <introom> sveta: thanks
[12:47] <sveta> welcome
[12:47] <OerHeks> arun_, we, ubuntu,  have launchpad.
[12:47] <sveta> OerHeks, they distribute obs binaries on the website, apparently they have a debian build and arun_ would like to run it on ubuntu
[12:47] <sveta> oh, i see
[12:47] <arun_> OerHeks: yeah but I need for the derivative
[12:47] <arun_> sveta: I want the debian build to work
[12:48] <sveta> debian build of obs you mean
[12:48] <arun_> sveta: I need to know how to work with obs
[12:49] <sveta> they have a #opensuse-buildservice   channel here if you'd like to know how to use it after it's installed
[12:50] <sveta> they distribute it as a .iso, which is to be installed on a "block device", but i'm not sure what that means; the install .iso includes opensuse itself
[12:50] <sveta> so it's probably a question of how to install a .iso from within ubuntu or something
[12:50] <arun_> sveta: thanks for the channel !!! cya
[12:51] <sveta> please don't vanish and feel free to stick around
[12:51] <sveta> a bit interested to see how it works for you, ey :)
[12:51] <sveta> their channel is about 10 times smaller than here so if you just ask a question then chances are higher that they'll get onto it sooner
[12:55] <_Trullo> just upgraded from 13 to latest, system is really slow and sluggish.. how can I improve this?
[12:56] <lenny___> with the power of xubuntu
[12:57] <lenny___> or the power of proprietary video card drivers
[12:57] <lenny___> or both
[12:57] <MonkeyDust> _Trullo  remove old kernels, if needed
[12:59] <Cuber> lenny___, with the power of lubuntu
[13:00] <lenny___> that's ok too
[13:01] <Guest67679> just be able to run GTA San Andreas on my LInux
[13:01] <Guest67679> I got \o/
[13:02] <_Trullo> could be graphics drivers..
[13:04] <C4Cypher> Is it unusual to have the packages libgl mesa graphics drivers (obiaf) updating daily (or more if I let it)?
[13:04] <lenny___> it's unusual, yes
[13:06] <C4Cypher> Okay, rather than bury the channel in questions, I'll keep troubleshooting.
[13:07] <OerHeks> C4Cypher, added some daily PPA ?
[13:07] <kanchan> #embedded
[13:09] <agus> how to use chinesse drawing tablet on ubuuntu 14.04
[13:10] <agus> ?
[13:10] <lenny___> if you connected it and it doesn't work
[13:10] <lenny___> you're in for a lot or work and googling
[13:10] <agus> it doesn't
[13:11] <agus> i use xp-pen p series
[13:11] <lenny___> start by looking at dmesg to confirm the kernel sees something
[13:12] <lenny___> and then start googling the product name you read in dmesg
[13:12] <lenny___> something like that
[13:12] <agus> how to use dmesg?
[13:12] <OerHeks> agus, what does 'lsusb' say about your tablet? paste that line here please
[13:12] <sherlock__> anybody here knows which channel do i get artificial intelligence techniques
[13:13] <agus> i'm working, my tablet at home
[13:13] <agus> maybe i'll come back later
[13:13] <lenny___> just connect the table and then type dmesg in a shell
[13:14] <OerHeks> !alis| sherlock__
[13:14] <agus> okay, i'll try it
[13:16] <sherlock__> LIST
[13:17]  * JohnQ fights the urge to begin listing his DNA sequence.
[13:17] <OerHeks>  /msg alis list midsummer ubuntu party
[13:20] <trollbit> hi guys
[13:21] <trollbit> hi guys
[13:21] <MonkeyDust> JohnQ  cloning *does* have limits in computing
[13:21] <sveta> sherlock__, hi.
[13:22] <trollbit> hi sveta
[13:22] <sveta> sherlock__, ask ##programming, and 'ai' is one of the keywords.
[13:22] <C4Cypher> OerHeks: I doubt it, I've got thre entries for ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers, one for the actual package, and two for the source code.  I highly suspect I don't need the source code, and I don't know why it would be listed twice.
[13:22] <sveta> sherlock__, they appear to have an #ai channel on here about it.
[13:22] <agus> OerHeks, do you have skype id?
[13:22] <C4Cypher> trollbit: Hey there.
[13:23] <sveta> agus, i believe that's not desired to help over Skype. if it's for making friends, you may have to /msg.
[13:24] <agus> sveta, okay, :) will you available for tomorrow?
[13:27] <_Trullo> wierd.. updated bios and now it works like normal..
[13:27] <Seven_Six_Two> ai techniques? Is there something other than algorithms used now?
[13:27] <agus> how to remove old kernel?
[13:28] <rodney771> Hi, I'm trying to connect to another Ubuntu computer with Remmina, but all I see is either a black screen, or a scrambled box/rectangle in one corner of the view panel. Remmina appears to think it's connected and I get no errors. Could someone help me with it?
[13:28] <rodney771> I'm using RDP
[13:30] <j`ey> how can I ge the 'extlinux' package?
[13:31] <CooLBALL> I am having a hell of a time
[13:31] <CooLBALL> I call this one the sprinkler
[13:32] <cfhowlett> CooLBALL ask your ubuntu support questions
[13:32] <CooLBALL> nouveau is appropriate for my nVidia GeForce GT 220?
[13:35] <scene> Which one can share some experience about  Git?
[13:35] <tsunami_> hi, there was a console based web browser, I believe, does anyone know the name?
[13:35] <cfhowlett> !browser|tsunami_
[13:36] <zykotick9> tsunami_: check out links2 and elinks
[13:37] <Uldics> Hi! Can someone help in choppy sound on local videos, but good sound in browser videos and local mp3? Have tried various solutions, none helps
[13:37] <trollbit> hi guys
[13:37] <lenny___> aaand it's pulseaudio again
[13:38] <Seven_Six_Two> Uldics, have you tried multiple video players? Is it hd video for local?
[13:38] <Seven_Six_Two> Is the local video smooth?
[13:40] <Uldics> yes, all players make sound like too loud distorted on any sound level
[13:40] <Uldics> video playback is normal, just sound is very very poor
[13:41] <Uldics> almost like you had a microphone brushing against a wall
[13:41] <Uldics> or heavy wind
[13:42] <MonkeyDust> Uldics  in a terminal, run: alsamixer... make sure recording level is not 100%
[13:42] <Uldics> and all quality videos, also old time web downloaded low resolution. Just that the sound is weirdly distorted
[13:42] <Uldics> have tried, both with alsamixer and pavucontrol
[13:42] <Seven_Six_Two> Uldics, in your sound settings, does your "profile" match your actual speaker arrangement?
[13:43] <rbirkelbach> hi, my machine (macbook pro 13" retina late 2013) runs ubuntu 14.04 and randomly shuts without the shutdown dialog (just like when doing shutdown -h now). it's definetly not overheating and the only program that was open was emacs. does anybody have an idea what's going wrong?
[13:43] <Seven_Six_Two> and does the speaker test work?
[13:43] <Seven_Six_Two> rbirkelbach, is it fully updated? Does it shut down, or suddenly turn off?
[13:43] <lenny___> I'd say it's definitely overheating
[13:44] <Seven_Six_Two> rbirkelbach, does it give you the notification in the terminal that it's going for a shutdown?
[13:44] <lenny___> your internal fan is probably stuck
[13:44] <Uldics> not sure how to get to sound settings, but all the possible places have tried anything from 2.0 to 7.1
[13:44] <rbirkelbach> @seven_six_two it is fully updated. it shuts down (e.g. there's the ubuntu logo)
[13:44] <rbirkelbach> @seven_six_two i didn't have a terminal open
[13:45] <Seven_Six_Two> Uldics, what desktop do you use? unity, gnome, kde?
[13:45] <Uldics> lxde
[13:45] <Seven_Six_Two> Uldics, do you get the same sound issues in unity?
[13:46] <Uldics> I have removed Unity as far as I could understand
[13:46] <rbirkelbach> @Seven_Six_Two it happens with mainline and the default ubuntu kernels
[13:46] <Seven_Six_Two> Uldics, unity is really just a compiz plugin with gnome desktop
[13:47] <Uldics> I doubt Unity is necessary for sound
[13:47] <Uldics> have not had it since short time it came out
[13:47] <Seven_Six_Two> Uldics, no, not necessary, just default. I'm trying to guess what your setup is.
[13:47] <Uldics> then the sound was OK
[13:48] <gufoe> hi
[13:48] <Uldics> last 14.04 borked it, but I detected only now, as was mainly watchng web videos, not local
[13:48] <Seven_Six_Two> Uldics, sound was ok when you first installed and used unity? Have you installed or uninstalled any sound stuff that you know about? Jack, alsa, pulseaudio (pa), oss, esd
[13:49] <C4Cypher> Hm, dpkg -l shows fglrx as 'un', which is what I want, locate still shows a number of files, should I be looking to do another purge of fglrx and then another full reinstall of mesa, reboot?
[13:49] <Uldics> no, unless the 14.04 upgrade had some libs removed/installed
[13:50] <Seven_Six_Two> C4Cypher, there are likely shared libs that mesa will use
[13:50] <gufoe> does anybody know where to set the proxy in xchat?
[13:50] <Uldics> after that when I detected this prob, have tried getting fresh alsa, pulse
[13:50] <Seven_Six_Two> Uldics, fresh? like from ppa or other repo?
[13:51] <gufoe> hi
[13:51] <gufoe> does anybody know where to set the proxy in xchat?
[13:51] <sam_543381> sam_543381> sorry if the folowing message is bad writed ( i'm french ) : I work on ubuntu and on ubuntu there is .desktop files , .desktop files runs a commande when I double ckick on , and I've try to launch the following command , with warning , why : path=`echo "$0" | sed -e "s/[^\/]*$//"`;cd $path;bash launch.bash
 help please
 PS : the command work in .bash files
[13:51] <tomreyn> gufoe: in preferences -> network setup
[13:52] <Seven_Six_Two> rbirkelbach, maybe try           watch "dmesg | tail -20"           in a terminal, and see if you can spot anything odd before shutdown.
[13:52] <tomreyn> gufoe: also i'd recommend hexchat over xchat
[13:52] <subz3r0> gufoe: yes
[13:52] <subz3r0> config - options - network setup
[13:52] <C4Cypher> Okay, I might be charging windmills here.  I have little telling me I have any display problems, I moved from fglrx to mesa after the upgrade to trusty, and the only issue are a few things (wine based) that won't run anymore (ctd) and the daily updates of anything libgl1-mesa related.
[13:52] <Uldics> I am pretty sure from default repos
[13:52] <gufoe> ok thank's very much, i'm going to download it now!
[13:53] <sam_543381> anyone can-he answer to my question
[13:53] <sam_543381> up
[13:53] <Seven_Six_Two> sam_543381, can you pastebin the entire file please?
[13:54] <sam_543381> wait I go find the link
[13:54] <sam_543381> plz
[13:54] <tomreyn> sam_543381: use single instead of double quotes for the sed RE
[13:55] <Uldics> What could be the starting point for such a sound issue?
[13:55] <Seven_Six_Two> sam_543381, unless I misunderstand, don't put script in .desktop file. Put it in separate file, and call it from .desktop file
[13:55] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[13:56] <sam_543381> Seven_Six_two my link : http://samsamcraft.url.ph/download/trollolol/pastebin.txt
[13:56] <Seven_Six_Two> Uldics, unfortunately I'm not sure. I would start by reinstalling pulseaudio and unity desktop to see if you have the same problem
[13:57] <Uldics> hmm, will start with pulseaudio
[13:57] <rbirkelbach> okay, thank you, @Seven_Six_Two !
[13:57] <Seven_Six_Two> sam_543381, yes, put the script in a file, like trollolol.sh and call it from the .desktop file
[13:58] <sam_543381> I want the file called is in a folder and this folder can be moved
[13:58] <rbirkelbach> Hopefully the output will be informative..
[14:00] <Seven_Six_Two> sam_543381, I don't know sed syntax, so I don't know exactly what you're doing/
[14:01] <setkeh> Hey Guys im having an issue with juju bootstrap after destroying an enviroment does any one know how to fix the db already running error >> Error Log: https://gist.github.com/setkeh/fc34e0cca9063e7bb0ae
[14:02] <setkeh> Note: its installed on Baremetal (not local)
[14:05] <C4Cypher> It's a little frustrating, I've spent a lifetime troubleshooting Windows machines, I only made the switch six months ago and I've loved it for general usage.  I can troubleshoot and research problems myself, but my collective experience and intuition aren't nearly as much help.  This isn't a bad thing, it just feels like I just unlearned a decade's worth of solid tech work.
[14:06] <CooLBALL> what video driver is best for my geforce gt 220? nouveau?
[14:06] <setkeh> C4Cypher: dont worry it wont take long for your intuition and skills to catch up :)
[14:06] <setkeh> CooLBALL: if your not running 3d accelerated games then yes nouveau
[14:07] <Seven_Six_Two> C4Cypher, it's a different system. You'll get it. There are a few excellent books that you might want to take a look at. Or to own. Like "Linux Administrator Handbook"
[14:07] <darius93> Hi, I have a problem that happens on kubuntu and ubuntu - /usr/bin/X overtime starts eatting ram without releasing it back to the system. Currently /usr/bin/X is using 40% of 12GB ram (~11.2 available to the system)
[14:07] <darius93> anything i could do to fix this? I am using amd binary gpu drivers
[14:08] <OerHeks> !ram
[14:08] <Seven_Six_Two> darius93, how much ram to you have? does it do it as soon as you boot?
[14:08] <darius93> ubottu, its not cached memory
[14:08] <C4Cypher> setkeh: Thanks.  I'm not bemoaning the process.   I've always enjoyed noodling out the problems.  My real complaint is that I miss the little voice in the back of my head that seven times out of ten whispers the correct answer to any given problem I'm facing, I'll get it back, it'll just take work.
[14:09] <darius93> >.> well Seven_Six_Two i have 12GB and it normally happen over 24-48 hours of the last restart
[14:09] <darius93> sometimes sooner depending on if im going stuff like gaming
[14:10] <Seven_Six_Two> C4Cypher, I understand your plight, but in linux, the answer is almost never "reboot", let alone 7 out of 10 times.
[14:10] <setkeh> C4Cypher: yeah i was the same ie been linuxing around 15 years now but the little voice it comes back after a couple of month of learning the basics and dabbeling in the advance stuff :)
[14:10] <C4Cypher> Seven_Six_Two: Yeah, there's a wealth of information out there.  Part of my reasoning for choosing Ubuntu as a distro was the knowledge that for anything I'd run into, there would be online documentation or a forum post about it.
[14:10] <setkeh> only time reboot is nessisary is kernel update :)
[14:10] <Seven_Six_Two> darius93, try switching something up, like your video driver, or the desktop that you're using. See if you can change something that affects it.
[14:11] <Seven_Six_Two> C4Cypher, that's often true, moreso if you stick with LTS releases.
[14:12] <lenny___> I don't think you're reading your ram useage correctly
[14:12] <darius93> Seven_Six_Two, this been going on since 13.04. I dont know if its something in amd settings or if its the drivers itself. I would use the opensource drivers but they arent the best for gaming
[14:12] <C4Cypher> Seven_Six_Two: Pfft, yeah.  That's part of the beauty of linux, the modular design, everything feels hot swappable and very little feels glued to anything else. Polar opposite to DLL hell.   And yeah, just jumped from 12.04 to 14.04.
[14:13] <setkeh> darius93: im not using bubuntu but im using the same driver and my ram usage is fine
[14:13] <Seven_Six_Two> darius93, oh I agree with that! have you switched your desktop since then?
[14:13] <Seven_Six_Two> darius93, there are a lot of things that can affect xorg
[14:14] <setkeh> have you tried switching to the OSS driver to be aure it is actually the driver ??
[14:14] <darius93> been updating to latest ubuntu (13.04 -> 13.10 -> 14.04) so i dont think that would be a problem. I am wondering if its something in the setting itself that could be causing X not to release the memory
[14:15] <setkeh> not that i can think of
[14:15] <lenny___> setkeh, how do one "switches to the OSS driver" since it not even loaded by default anymore
[14:15] <lenny___> tell me how do you switch to the OSS drivern in a rcent ubuntu
[14:15] <lenny___> I'm curious
[14:15] <setkeh> lenny___: well the first step is installing it :P
[14:15] <lenny___> be specific
[14:16] <lenny___> what do I do to "switch to the OSS driver"
[14:16] <darius93> Seven_Six_Two, http://i.imgur.com/Q83PyfD.png this is the only thing i could think of that might impact the memory. This is also an apu fyi
[14:16] <C4Cypher> Seven_Six_Two: And in my own defense, I try to keep the penalty reboots to a minimum.  Problems have their tells, and there are paths to take when you see those tells.  Looks like a video issue? Dxdiag and so on.  I'll learn X Window's tells.
[14:16] <setkeh> lenny___: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[14:17] <marc__> hello guys... does anyone know how to manage which notifactions are skipped and which are not with xfce4-notifyd? i'm uing lubuntu, but i don't get any answer what so ever in the lubuntu-channel
[14:18] <bart> Hi
[14:19] <gufoe> hi bart
[14:19] <bart> Is high CPU usage necessarily bad?
[14:19] <bekks> No.
[14:19] <C4Cypher> setkeh: I could kiss you for that link.
[14:19] <setkeh> C4Cypher: Please dont :P but your welcome :)
[14:19] <michaelms> And, you know by chance what "CPU usage" really means? How is it calculated?
[14:21] <zykotick9> michaelms: if you mean CPU %, keep in mind, that it's a measure of time...  you can't actually use 75% of a CPU, it's binary 0 or 1.
[14:22] <michaelms> zykotick9: thanks, it was exactly what I was looking for
[14:23] <michaelms> zykotick9: why don't applications like find take full CPU resources (time)? Are they more busy with disk I/O operations?
[14:24] <zykotick9> michaelms: with find, i'd certainly think it would be i/o bound.  checking load is often handy.
[14:24] <michaelms> zykotick9: which load?
[14:25] <C4Cypher> With the move to Ubuntu, the greatest joy has been the boost I've gotten to my hobby of tinkering with programming in my spare time.   With windows, most of the time I had to play was spent dicking around with the tools and configuring things to get it to work.   The GNU GCC suite and make tools just work, yes I need to learn them, yes they can be a bit archaic, but I'm spending much more of my time actually tinkering with code.
[14:25] <zykotick9> michaelms: load is shown in top/htop/uptime.  load of 1 = 100% single cpu usage, for multicore/SMB systems divide load number by number of cores/cpus.
[14:26] <C4Cypher> If I run into a problem, I know it's a bug I made ... not my environment stabbing me in the back.
[14:27] <daftykins> C4Cypher: that's great news, i'm afraid this is a support channel though :)
[14:27] <C4Cypher> daftykins: It's out of my system, but thanks.
[14:29] <egsome> For a computer with 2GB of RAM, Is using 32-bit Ubuntu better than 64-bit Ubuntu ?
[14:29] <daftykins> egsome: yes, i'd agree
[14:29] <egsome> daftykins, Can I know why ?
[14:30] <Shadow007> is unity friendly for 2 GB RAM ??
[14:30] <daftykins> probably barely.
[14:30] <egsome> Shadow007, I use XFCE
[14:30] <daftykins> egsome: the major purpose of running 64-bit is to address 4GB+ RAM, but software tends to get larger for 64-bit programs, so sticking to 32-bit when you don't have >3.5GB RAM is wise
[14:31] <zykotick9> egsome: 2GB is not a lot of memory.  64bit has more overhead then 32bit does, so the same amount of ram will actually be smaller when using 64bit
[14:32] <bekks> zykotick9: This overhead is less than a very few MB actually.
[14:32] <Shadow007> oh,i just corious with unity..i'm using Gnome now
[14:33] <bekks> daftykins: You are wrong. the major purpose of a 64bit OS is to support 64bit.
[14:34] <daftykins> bekks: meh, that seems subjective but ok
[14:36] <bekks> daftykins: Thats the objective part of it. Nonsense like "the major purpose of running 64-bit is to address 4GB+ RAM" is simple untrue, since thats easily possible using PAE as well. So from that point of view, 64bit would be unnecessary - which is a myth, actually.
[14:36] <bekks> *simply
[14:36] <daftykins> bekks: you raise a fair point :)
[14:37] <zykotick9> bekks: PAE is a "hack", and not a good one...
[14:37] <bekks> zykotick9: I know that. :)
[14:37] <daftykins> you could consider my statement sufficient for new users though
[14:37] <bekks> zykotick9: But it serves well at this point to show that 64bit is not just for addressing more than 4GB RAM ;)
[14:38] <bekks> daftykins: No, I cant, since it isnt true, sorry. Let's move on, we're moving out of support actually :)
[14:38] <daftykins> heh, ok.
[14:49] <Guest40411> Is there a quick and easy way to change the dropdown menu for my Ubuntu 14.04LTS?
[14:49] <Guest40411> I don't have the icons on the left side, I have a drop down menu from the upper left corner
[14:52] <egsome> bekks, So, You see I will not get a better RAM Usage with 32bit ?
[14:53] <bekks> egsome: Not noticable. But using 32bit, you will waste resources by not using them at all.
[14:54] <bekks> egsome: It's like driving a bus for 64 passenger but never transport more than 32 of them.
[14:54] <egsome> bekks, So, You have any suggestions for this computer to get better performance ? I just need to use it for coding, not entertainment ..
[14:55] <bekks> egsome: get more RAM. If thats impossible, use a light desktop environment, like lxde, which is shipped by lubuntu.
[14:56] <egsome> bekks, is lxde lighter than XFCE ?
[14:56] <cfhowlett> egsome marginally
[14:56] <egsome> cfhowlett, Great, I will try it now ..
[14:58] <Volkard> when you open a dropdown menu, you can type in letters and it will jump directly to items beginnin in that letter. someone should add a paste function so it would reach the item of the word we copied directly, or the closest alphabetical item
[14:59] <newbie|3> Volkard: I had gotten stuck.  I hope you are answering my question.
[14:59] <newbie|3> Because I had to shut down my IRC client
[14:59] <sync0pate> can anyone help me with how to detect and enable an HDMI display?
[15:00] <sync0pate> using lubuntu 12.04
[15:00] <newbie|3> But to anyone who wants to help me, I want to stuff all the LibreOffice stuff in a sub menu in the Office main menu
[15:01] <holstein> sync0pate: i just plug in it, and see if it works.. if not, its usually due to linux support from the manufacturer of the hardware.. so i try proprietary graphics drivers if available.. usually, these days, most just work "out of the box" i find, though, maybe not with audio..
[15:01] <sync0pate> plugged it in
[15:01] <sync0pate> nothing
[15:01] <holstein> newbie|3: what menu? in unity?
[15:01] <tacomaster> Is there a way to disable the unity bar animation when you start or stop an application? What i am talking about is when a program is opened or closed the unity bar will first put an icon on the bar, then it will push the icon out to the right for a sec then move it back to the unity bar. I am trying to make it so you can completely hide the unity bar but this is visually annoying the hell out of me. If someone nows how to stop this I would be in your d
[15:01] <sync0pate> have nvidia proprietary drivers holstein
[15:01] <sync0pate> it's a TV, if that makes a difference
[15:01] <holstein> !dualhead | sync0pate
[15:01] <holstein> sync0pate: it may.. if you dont understand the tv..
[15:01] <sync0pate> I don't want dual head.. I want *just* this output.. but..
[15:02] <sync0pate> yeah, I don't understand any of it
[15:02] <sync0pate> where's the best place to start?
[15:02] <holstein> sync0pate: dual head is relevant..
[15:02] <sync0pate> ok
[15:02] <holstein> sync0pate: the end result is the same.. signal from a secondary output on your unit..
[15:02] <sync0pate> so.. where do I start?
[15:03] <holstein> sync0pate: there are keys on the keybaord.. settings in the bios.. also, it may just not be possible to work in linux
[15:03] <sync0pate> I can't see anything on keyboard or bios
[15:03] <sync0pate> checked that
[15:04] <holstein> sync0pate: nothing at all? thats bad
[15:04] <Magentium> Clear
[15:04] <holstein> sync0pate: you have *no* settings in the bios? or no relevant settings?
[15:04] <Magentium> Hi Everyon e:)
[15:04] <sync0pate> no relevant settings, sorry
[15:04] <sync0pate> there are plenty of the usual bios settings
[15:04] <sync0pate> but I dont see anything related to display
[15:05] <sync0pate> it's an acer revo, nvidia ion
[15:05] <sync0pate> if that helps
[15:05] <sync0pate> I have nvidia proprietary drivers installed
[15:05] <Guest67679> hihi
[15:05] <holstein> sync0pate: it may not be possible to work.. and the nvidia ion stuff can be quite problematic...
[15:06] <sync0pate> so you say "it may not be possible"
[15:06] <sync0pate> but obviously I would like to find out if it is
[15:06] <sync0pate> so where can I start looking?
[15:06] <DJJeff> sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] | Sense Key : No Sense [current]
[15:06] <DJJeff> would this indicate that my usb drive is broken?
[15:06] <holstein> sync0pate: you can try *all* the drivers available.. the open one, the proprietary one.. the different versions of them
[15:07] <DJJeff> hexdump -C /dev/sdb shows some data then gets input/output error
[15:07] <sync0pate> so, it may be that ubuntu/linux just doesn't support hdmi out?
[15:08] <sync0pate> with my hardware, at least
[15:08] <holstein> sync0pate: no... its not up to ubuntu/linux to provide the support. it may be that nvidia doesnt allow the hardware to be supported well, or provide support.. they likely didnt promise you it would work in linux
[15:09] <phelix> anyone tried to get gecko installed using with winetricks ?
[15:09] <sync0pate> yeah I'm not trying to *blame* anything here
[15:09] <sync0pate> just understand the situation
[15:09] <holstein> sync0pate: there are unsupported ppa's with more recent driver you can try.. what is the specific graphics chip?
[15:09] <sync0pate> how do I find out?
[15:10] <holstein> sync0pate: well, you already konw its not supported offically.. so, basically the way i find out is by trying the options..
[15:10] <holstein> sync0pate: what is the specific chipset?
[15:10] <sync0pate> how do I find out the specific chipset?
[15:10] <sync0pate> that's what I'm asking..
[15:10] <tomreyn> DJJeff: i'm not sure what it means, but try to reset your usb host adapter (i.e. reboot), and before you do that and until you retest this device, remove all other devices off it.
[15:10] <holstein> sync0pate: i run "lspci" in a terminal.. you can share the output in a pastebin if you need help with it..
[15:10] <holstein> !paste
[15:11] <sync0pate> holstein, relevant line is "VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation ION VGA (rev b1)"
[15:11] <DJJeff> tomreyn, I have tried this usb thumb drive in 4 different computers now
[15:12] <tomreyn> DJJeff: if you're willing to spend time on understanding scsi, have a look at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/archived/SCSI-Programming-HOWTO/SCSI-Programming-HOWTO-21.html
[15:12] <DJJeff> my /var/log/syslog all say the same thing
[15:12] <tomreyn> DJJeff: well that sounds like a strong indication that it's broken i guess.
[15:12] <DJJeff> my guess is I unplugged it without unmounting it first
[15:13] <sync0pate> holstein, google gives me the impression that a lot of people have got hdmi video working with ubuntu + acer revo
[15:13] <holstein> sync0pate: you are trying the "display" too? if you want, you can install arandr which is a nice gui tool for managing displays that i find helpul..
[15:13] <sync0pate> because there's a lot of people saying "video works" but audio doesnt
[15:13] <sync0pate> holstein, what do you mean trying the display too?
[15:13] <holstein> sync0pate: it works "out of the box" with my nvidia ion.. but, the audio doesnt work
[15:14] <holstein> sync0pate: display tool*
[15:14] <sync0pate> strange.. I don't care about audio anyway, so I would settle for that
[15:14] <DJJeff> netflix almost works good on ubuntu for anyone that wants to try out this pipelight (for more info /j #pipelight)
[15:14] <sync0pate> "display" tool?
[15:14] <holstein> sync0pate: what software are you using that makes you think the output should work?
[15:14] <sync0pate> nvidia-settings
[15:15] <sync0pate> trying to detect displays in there
[15:15] <holstein> sync0pate: if you are not using software, look for a display output tool in whatever de you are using.. if you want, you can try arandr which i have found helpful,
[15:15] <sync0pate> I'll try arandr
[15:15] <holstein> !info arandr
[15:16] <sync0pate> ok..
[15:16] <sync0pate> arandr shows the hdmi output, but not as active..
[15:16] <sync0pate> under "outputs"
[15:17] <sync0pate> and it won't let me click it to activate it?
[15:17] <tomreyn> DJJeff: unplugging the device too early can cause data loss and file system inconsistencies (as well as inconsitencies to other logical layers below that if you were currently changing them, as well as bad ATA bus / controller states), but would not cause the physical media itself to become corrupt as far i know.
[15:17] <holstein> sync0pate: see that you can activate it
[15:17] <sync0pate> it won't.. the checkbox is disabled holstein
[15:17] <holstein> sync0pate: ok.. so, you can try other drivers.. you can try the open ones.. which you can easily try from a live CD.. you can try ppa's.. you can look for and apply any upgrades.. etc
[15:18] <sync0pate> there's no way to just.. enable it? :(
[15:18] <holstein> sync0pate: when you buy the hardware, the company pays someone to do all this testing and configuring, but for windows.. it can be challenging doing it one's self..
[15:18] <DJJeff> hexdump -C /dev/sdg will actually show some output so it could be badblocks or sectors?
[15:18] <holstein> sync0pate: there is nothing about ubuntu preventing you from enabling it
[15:18] <DJJeff> if there was a way to skip over the broken part
[15:19] <holstein> sync0pate: but, there is little it can do to facilitate you enabling it if the vendor is not allowing that..
[15:19] <DJJeff> and recover something I will be amazed
[15:19] <sync0pate> I guess I might try some live USB's of later releases
[15:19] <sync0pate> and see how that works
[15:19] <sync0pate> I'm getting an error when trying to install the later proprietary drivers
[15:19] <sync0pate> but I might give the ppa's a go
[15:19] <holstein> sync0pate: specifially, different drivers.. which require kernel modules that cant be used live like that
[15:19] <sync0pate> I have no idea how to switch back to the open drivers
[15:19] <sync0pate> ?
[15:20] <holstein> sync0pate: you can purge the driver you installed, or try the live CD which has the open drivers..
[15:20] <daftykins> sync0pate: the revos are getting quite old now, if you're talking atom + ion1, the latest ubuntu would probably not be the most pleasant experience on that.
[15:20] <holstein> sync0pate: or, you can likely just try the xorg.conf and specify the open driver and test..
[15:20] <sync0pate> daftykins, even with like lubuntu?
[15:21] <holstein> sync0pate: lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[15:21] <sync0pate> I have lubuntu 1204 at the moment, and it's nippy enough
[15:21] <daftykins> sync0pate: less so, but then it depends what you use the system for
[15:21] <sync0pate> yeah I know, but without all the unity stuff
[15:21] <holstein> i would try 14.04...
[15:21] <sync0pate> media centre
[15:21] <daftykins> sync0pate: they are essentially nettops
[15:21] <sync0pate> yeah I know
[15:21] <sync0pate> that's why it was <£100
[15:21] <sync0pate> heh
[15:21] <daftykins> sync0pate: i just run xbmcbuntu on my similar device as a dedicated HTPC.
[15:22] <tomreyn> DJJeff: try ddrescue and similar tools for data recovery
[15:23] <Datz_> Hi, I'm trying to do some recording with audacity, yet I can't find a "stereo mix" option in my audio settings. Do I need to load a driver/module or something?
[15:23] <DJJeff> when I plug it into ubuntu desktop it trys to mount it and I can not do anything
[15:24] <holstein> Datz: i suggest pavucontrol
[15:24] <DJJeff> when I plug it into my routers usb port I can run e2fsck and hexdump
[15:24] <holstein> !Info pavucontrol
[15:24] <roadtrip> how do i log in from terminal on Lubantu?  I just go straight into desktop without "issue and log in window when i start.
[15:24] <Datz> go ubottu go
[15:24] <DJJeff> my router does not have ddrescue :(
[15:24] <subz3r0> roadtrip: startx
[15:24] <Datz> holstein: thanks, I'll look into that..
[15:24] <holstein> Datz: regardless.. you can find it in the repos.. and it helps with routing..
[15:25] <Datz> routing eh
[15:25] <newbie|3> holstein: Are you still there?  I was a bit busy ...
[15:25] <tomreyn> DJJeff: you don't need to mount it. ddrescue works on devices, not file systems. the goal should be to copy as much as possible of the raw sectors into an image file, then analyze that image file later.
[15:25] <DJJeff> like on my ubuntu desktop I type $ sudo fdisk -l
[15:25] <DJJeff> and it hangs
[15:26] <DJJeff> untill I remove the usb thumb
[15:26] <roadtrip>  subz3r0: what is startx?
[15:26] <tomreyn> DJJeff: see whether the usb device will show up in 'cat /proc/partitions' output once it is connected
[15:26] <Guest19874> If i where to want to create shortcuts in terminal say I wanted to type fi and have it run a command that did "firefox & disown" what would I try to learn. Is this something I would need C++ for?
[15:27] <daftykins> Guest19874: bash scripting more like
[15:27] <newbie|3> holstein: When you ask which "menu?  in unity?", I don't quite understand.  I have 14.04 LTS 64 bit.  I don't have the icons on the left side.  I think it's called xfce
[15:27] <Guest19874> can I run a bash script without typing sh or having a .sh extension daftykins
[15:28] <DJJeff> tomreyn, http://bpaste.net/show/393734/
[15:28] <DJJeff> sdb and sdb1 shows up
[15:28] <DJJeff> which is correct
[15:28] <tomreyn> DJJeff: and those refer to the usb drive?
[15:28] <Datz> holstein: thanks, installed it. Actually, I think something I did last boot worked, and I just needed to restart
[15:28] <Datz> cheers!
[15:28] <Datz> bye
[15:29] <DJJeff> yes
[15:29] <daftykins> Guest19874: oh i see what you mean now, hmm not sure then sorry
[15:29] <newbie|3> holstein: I mean there is a Ubuntu (I'm using Ubuntu Studio, but that must be more or less the same) icon in the upper left corner.  When I click on it, a menu drops down from there.
[15:31] <newbie|3> holstein: One of the menus is "Office".  In that menu, there are seperate entries for each program in LibreOffice.  I would like to make a sub menu to incorporate all of that in a seperate place so I can "unclutter" the Office menu
[15:31] <newbie|3> brb
[15:35] <tomreyn> DJJeff: sudo apt-get install gddrescue; sudo ddrescue --direct --retries=5 /dev/sdb ~/sdb_image.img ~/sdb_image.log
[15:35] <tomreyn> DJJeff: that's just a suggestion, read the ddrescue man page for details
[15:37] <DJJeff> that seems to be working
[15:38] <tomreyn> once you have that image, you'd use kpartx to analyze the partition table in it, then extract the sdb1 filesystem to a separate image file (you could also try to skip this and make ddrescue read only sdb1). then try to mount the file system image or use other tools to recover data from it.
[15:38] <sydney> newbie|3: if you right click on the menu,what does it say?
[15:39] <linuxthe1ish> hi, how can i clone a partition from one hard disk to another, expand it then boot from the new hard disk?
[15:39] <tomreyn> DJJeff: make sure you never do any write operations (such as fsck) on the recovered image directly, always make a copy first and work on that, since you only have that one image file, and may not be able to recreate it from the broken usb key.
[15:39] <daftykins> linuxthe1ish: look into clonezilla
[15:39]  * holstein +1 clonezilla
[15:39] <linuxthe1ish> am i safe to delete my windows partition?
[15:39] <linuxthe1ish> does ubuntu install grub on the linux partition?
[15:39] <DJJeff> thanks for the heads up
[15:40] <holstein> !grub
[15:40] <holstein> linuxthe1ish: there are ways to specify where grub installs...
[15:40] <DJJeff> lucky me its only 16GB of data to try and recover
[15:40] <OerHeks> linuxthe1ish, according to bug 1 you are safe to delete any windows partition.
[15:41] <Chelsea_Jergens> Hi, I am using linux lite which is ubuntu based. Would general processes be the same so that i can use this forum
[15:41] <linuxthe1ish> is it safe to clone /dev/sd5 to /dev/sdb ?
[15:41] <linuxthe1ish> then i can reinstall grub later
[15:41] <OerHeks> Chelsea_Jergens, linux lite is not ubuntu, and is not supported here. join their irc channel, thanks
[15:42] <holstein> linuxthe1ish: safe depends on many things, friend.. i suggest backing up *any* and all data you want to recover or have safe. move forward as if you have broken the entire drive and all your data is elsewhere that you are concerned with
[15:42] <sydney> newbie|3: im not sure of how to do that easily. :\
[15:42] <Chelsea_Jergens> Thanks
[15:45] <tarkus_> Good morning! Can anyone help me out understanding the "ln" command I'm having serious issues with it and the guides online don't address my interests
[15:45] <daftykins> tarkus_: type "man ln"
[15:45] <DJJeff> tomreyn, is ddrescue suppose to go over 16GB?
[15:45] <tarkus_> I have daftykins
[15:45] <DJJeff> its almost up to 30000 MB
[15:45] <tarkus_> but still I don't get it
[15:45] <daftykins> tarkus_: perhaps you should pastebin what you're trying to run, what you expected to happen and what's actually happening
[15:47] <rene_> what is ubuntu
 ok, understandable. But answer me this: Is the ln command able to point where files should go? For example: Can I point the files that a program will install from one hard drive into another hard drive (both ext4) ?
[15:47] <daftykins> tarkus_: are you by any chance trying to configure a system with an SSD and an HDD?
[15:47] <tarkus_> SSD
[15:47] <tarkus_> SSD to an HDD
[15:47] <rlw980> How do I make a usb bootaBLE for windows xp
[15:47] <rlw980> using the Ubuntu OS
[15:48] <daftykins> tarkus_: so your system has one of each, OS installed to the SSD?
[15:48] <daftykins> rlw980: not gonna happen, plus XP is EOL so you shouldn't be using it anymore
[15:49] <rlw980> daftykins: shut up if i want to install it again i can, it's my flipping pc and not yours ok
[15:49] <bekks> rlw980: XOP cant boot from USB at all.
 to be specific... I'm using PlayOnLinux and it's asking to install large games. I already have those installations in my 1 TB hard drive (ext4) so all I should need to do is make a link to those files
[15:49] <bekks> XP even.
[15:49] <daftykins> rlw980: whoa... calm down
[15:49] <tomreyn> DJJeff: it should end where the media ends
[15:49] <rlw980> bekks: yes you can but if i'm going to get absue i'll google it then?
[15:50] <bekks> rlw980: according to MS you cant, and thats more than enough to be said.
[15:50] <daftykins> rlw980: no it requires lots of scripts and modifications, but as mentioned it's EOL and this isn't Windows support
[15:51] <MengXingHun> who knows firefox 's socks5 how to process
[15:51] <MengXingHun>  one HTTP Responses Data?
[15:51] <MengXingHun> Is Raw?
[15:51] <daftykins> tarkus_: doesn't it support changing the path manually?
[15:52] <daftykins> tarkus_: alternatively you just need "ln -s /path/here /path/here" but i always forget which one is source and which is destination, i also think one has to be empty to create first so that could be mildly tricky.
[15:52] <Chelsea_Jergens> Is there an add-on that allows thunderbird to support owa exchange accounts?
, from the app (PlayOnLinux) no, there is no option for it. But everywhere on the internet says that I should be doing the ln command. Worst part is everyone say's its easy and I still dont understand it :D
[15:52] <bekks> Chelsea_Jergens: No.
[15:52] <holstein> rlw980: there should be lots of posts about that online. i remember having mixed luck with it when i tried a few years back, and since microsoft didnt guarantee i could boot usb and specifically dont allow copying the installation media, i decided not to do it. i think i did a clone solution, which you might explore clonezilla
[15:53] <daftykins> tarkus_: just bear in mind you're pointing one folder to another, not files to files
[15:53] <tomreyn> DJJeff: retry without --direct (writing to a different image and log file) if the first run went past 15633408 KB
[15:53] <daftykins> tarkus_: (it's called a symbolic link)
[15:53] <rlw980> holstein: well can you help me please
 folder to a folder ? That's the part I don't understand. What does that mean exactly? I'm trying to free space from my (60gb SSD) by using the "ln" command to tunnel those installations into my (1 terrabyte HDD; ext4)
[15:54] <holstein> rlw980: sure.. but not in this channel, since its not the scope of the channel.. you can PM me if you like, and i may be able to direct you somewhere, or help you google search
[15:54] <tomreyn> DJJeff: also read "info ddrescue" -> "Direct disc access"
[15:54] <MengXingHun> hello all , who know firefox how to process The Socks5 reaply one HTTP Responese?
[15:55] <rlw980> holstein: can you PM me
[15:55] <daftykins> tarkus_: right, so where does this program install games to? let's call that /games/ - you want to link that instead to (External) /games/
[15:55] <tomreyn> MengXingHun: your question is grammatically incorrect and incomprehensible, i am afraid.
[15:55] <daftykins> tarkus_: err, where 'External' is HDD.
[15:56] <MengXingHun> tomreyn, i'm sry.
[15:56] <tarkus_> daftykins Should I do the pastebin of what I'm trying to do and give you the link?
[15:57] <tarkus_> I think I'm on the right track with all you've said... It's the execution of it that's killing me
[15:57] <daftykins> tarkus_: sure, paste.ubuntu.com is good
[15:57] <tomreyn> MengXingHun: that's fine, i'm just telling you so you can improve it.
[15:57] <tomreyn> MengXingHun: you native language is chinese?
[15:58] <MengXingHun> tomreyn, look is one hard job...
[15:58] <MengXingHun> tomreyn, yes.
[15:58] <tomreyn> !cn | MengXingHun
, btw thanks for the swift reply bro! It's making my permanent switch to ubuntu (from windows) such a pleasant trip :)
[15:59] <daftykins> tarkus_: just a heads up i have to leave very shortly
[15:59] <daftykins> maybe 15 mins left
[15:59] <linuxthe1ish> will * 0 * * * crontab happen every night at 00:00 ?
[16:01] <tarkus_> Ok, will try to make my case as fast as a new user that's never been on linux can do :)
[16:03] <tomreyn> linuxthe1ish: yes. additionally it will run every minute between 00:00 and 00:59
[16:03] <linuxthe1ish> ah, thanks :D
[16:03] <tomreyn> linuxthe1ish: you probably want 0 0 * * *
[16:05] <tomreyn> tarkus_: chances are you can get help from someone else when d4ftykins has to run, if you can sum up your goal, where you startedd from and what has been achieved so far again.
[16:06] <rlw980> I'll shall be right back ok guys?
[16:06] <holstein> rlw980: not for xp support.. not here
[16:06] <daftykins> tarkus_: maybe instructing you through a simple test demo would be useful - as it happens my plans have been delayed 30 mins
[16:06] <tarkus_> Ok
[16:07] <tarkus_> I'm done making my case on the paste file with as much detail as I could (http://paste.ubuntu.com/7680675/)
[16:07] <jhag2> hello everyone !!!
[16:07] <tarkus_> hi :)
[16:07] <jhag2> I am having issues getting my wireless to work on my hp mini 110
[16:07] <MrSendova> Hi, I have a problem connecting my computer running ubuntu 12.04 to my local network via a usb wifi dongle. It connects but after a couple of minutes it just stops working. Here's the dongle I have: http://www.adafruit.com/products/1012
[16:07] <jhag2> I have consulted the ubuntu forums and have had great suggestions
[16:08] <jhag2> but, still am having issues. I can provide information and if anyone would like to teamviewer into my computer i am ok with that
[16:08] <tarkus_> jhag2, you wouldnt happen to have a broadcom chip? I had some issues but after checking the "additional drivers application" it solved them all
[16:09] <jhag2> what site can i use to post information so i dont just flood the channel ?
[16:09] <jhag2> so i can give you a link
[16:09] <tarkus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[16:09] <daftykins> tarkus_: are these games definitely in the format that they can just go straight into playonlinux? so they're not steam games etc
[16:10] <tarkus_> they are battle.net games (diablo 3, hearthstone, starcraft)
[16:10] <tarkus_> but it if it's too hard / difficult I can simply re-download
[16:10] <daftykins> tarkus_: ok, so standalone installed paths?
[16:10] <tarkus_> my main goal is simply to use the space on the other hard drive
[16:10] <tarkus_> Yeah, standalone installed paths
[16:10] <daftykins> how big is sda2?
[16:10] <tarkus_> 500gb
[16:11] <jhag2> here is my information http://paste.ubuntu.com/7680689/
[16:11] <jhag2> again, if need teamviewer is an option if anyone is feeling confident haha
[16:11] <jhag2> and here is the forum post i been getting help, this will show what i have done. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2230820&p=13055332#post13055332
[16:12] <tarkus_> daftykins> it may be too complicated to use the files I already have so maybe it would be best to focus on making the ln file and let playonlinux download it from there...
[16:12] <daftykins> tarkus_: sure, i shall attack things that way
[16:12] <daftykins> tarkus_: ok can you pastebin the output of "ls -al ~/.PlayOnLinux/ ?
[16:12] <daftykins> tarkus_: oops "ls -al ~/.PlayOnLinux/"
[16:13] <nb---> can anyone tell me the best way to install ubuntu on my machine. i have windows 8 but no cd rom. i dont know how i can install it automatically.
[16:13] <jhag2> do you have a usb drive ?
[16:13] <holstein> nb---: what can you boot? usb stick?
[16:13] <holstein> !Install
[16:13] <nb---> i have a usb yes
[16:13] <tarkus_> The guides I used where using "ls -s" ... the command worked but when I deleted the source (on my SSD) it did not recognized the files that I had copied to my HDD
[16:13] <jhag2> download the iso, and use rufus to install the iso on the usb
[16:13] <clemens> My power button isn't working  anymore. If i'm pressing it the current windows minimizes. If i click on the right top corner shutdown (restart or shutdown) I can click shutdown and the window disappear and it doesn't'appear a second time (Ubuntu 14.04 64 bit)
[16:13] <jhag2> just search rufus and download it
[16:14] <jhag2> and do what ubottu suggested
[16:14] <nb---> ok
[16:14] <nb---> thanks
[16:14] <jhag2> the usb will do the same as a cd would
[16:15] <nb---> sorry but what is rufus?
[16:15] <jhag2> rufus is a program that will turn a usb into a bootable device
[16:15] <nb---> oh i see
[16:15] <nb---> thanks
[16:15] <jhag2> it will put the os onto the usb
[16:15] <holstein> nb---: unetbootin as well.. or, just dd copy the iso
[16:15] <OerHeks> jhag2, you forumpost misses one detail "lpphy"  this answer shuld work >< http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2155317&page=2&p=12696403#post12696403
[16:15] <jhag2> he is using windows 8 right now
[16:15] <jhag2> or she
[16:15] <OerHeks> shuld-should
[16:15] <nb---> she
[16:15] <jhag2> sorry he/she
[16:16] <nb---> babes
[16:16] <jhag2> da girl
[16:16] <tomreyn> MrSendova: try this first, and reboot: sudo apt-get install linux-firmware linux-firmware-nonfree
[16:16] <daftykins> i think universal USB installer from pendrivelinux.com would be best
[16:16] <daftykins> (for a windows program to make up a USB flash drive)
[16:16] <daftykins> tarkus_: were you ok with my request?
[16:16] <jhag2> im rufus all the way if you are using microsoft :3
[16:16] <jhag2> im a stubborn
[16:17] <nb---> is rufus easy
[16:17] <jhag2> ...yikes that sounds bad @.@ "note to self, do not say rufus all the way"
[16:17] <nb---> i am not really a command person
[16:17] <jhag2> yes, if you are not terminal comfortable
[16:17] <MrSendova> tomreyn: ok thanks
[16:17] <jhag2> if you download it now, i will help you through the process
[16:18] <tomreyn> MrSendova: if it doesn't help and upgrading to 14.04 is an option, do it. if this still doesn't help then look into building the fixed RTL8192cu driver module yourself, there are insructions available on the web.
[16:18] <holstein> nb---: all the tools so far are GUI tools.. just start trying them.. rufus, which i have never heard or, or unetbootin or the pendrivelinux.com universal usb installer
 this is the guide I tried (which is basically what everyone recommends online) http://www.windows-to-linux.com/2013/09/run-playonlinux-games-outside-home-directory/
[16:20] <tarkus_> after reading the man and going through the commands as the guide said... I deleted the source files (on my SDD) and kept the files on my (HDD) thinking the ln command will send the playonlinux to work with the files on my HDD but nothing happened.
[16:20] <tarkus_> Looked for a phew more guides and same result
[16:20] <tarkus_> commands don't give an error and everything looks OK but when I run the app it won't recognize the changes
[16:21] <jhag2> i might be a noob saying this but, i do sudo apt-get update after everything i change
[16:21] <jhag2> and restart sometimes
[16:21] <daftykins> tarkus_: so if you could pastebin the above mentioned command "ls -al ~/.PlayOnLinux/" that'd be great
[16:22] <daftykins> jhag2: all "sudo apt-get update" does is get the vary latest versions of the package lists to see what package versions are available, so that wouldn't be necessary
[16:22] <jhag2> yeah, i still have nooby thoughts
  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7680743/
[16:23] <jhag2> linux is a life long learning process.. i have only had about a year of light to moderate experience
[16:23] <daftykins> tarkus_: ah do you see that arrow there? that's showing a previous symlink you created
[16:24] <tarkus_> yes
, yes sir... I see it.
[16:24] <daftykins> tarkus_: so what's gone wrong is it's obviously one folder too deep, it's created .PlayOnLinux/PlayOnLinux/
[16:25] <tarkus_> mmmmm
[16:25] <daftykins> making sense?
[16:25] <daftykins> tarkus_: ok first up let's remove that mistake, please run "rm -r ~/.PlayOnLinux/PlayOnLinux"
[16:25] <tarkus_> so Instead of SDD (what ever path... =  .PlayOnLinux) its doing something like (what ever path = .PlayOnLinux + another path inside)
[16:25] <jhag2> so im still having issues with my wireless
[16:26] <daftykins> tarkus_: indeed!
[16:26] <jhag2> i did the sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-llphy-installer
[16:26] <tarkus_> but all that reference are still for the SDD right ?
[16:26] <jhag2> and it said unable to locate package firmware-b43-installer
[16:26] <tarkus_> I get it ... too deep :D
[16:27] <jhag2> im not sure what i am doing wrong
[16:27] <daftykins> tarkus_: not sure what you mean, but if you can run the above we can get going :>
[16:27] <tarkus_> ok done,
[16:28] <tarkus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7680763/
[16:28] <tarkus_> the ln (link) was removed
[16:28] <daftykins> perfect
[16:29] <jhag2> I just dont know why this is being so difficult for me
[16:29] <daftykins> tarkus_: ok i see you're root right now, can you open a fresh terminal and run "cd ~/.PlayOnLinux" which should change your prompt to say you're in that folder? "pwd" will also confirm /home/tarkus/.PlayOnLinux/
[16:30] <Dureiken> Hi there, I would like some help to install AMD Catalyst 14.6 driver without xserver, I achieved to do it with 13.11 but not with 14.6. Thanks
[16:30] <tarkus_> Yes sir
[16:30] <tarkus_> continue
[16:31] <daftykins> tarkus_: "mv * /media/tarkus/sda2/Games/PlayOnLinux"
[16:31] <BlueProtoman> How can I list en masse the channels used by all the wireless routers near me?
[16:31] <daftykins> tarkus_: hopefully that won't give an error
[16:31] <daftykins> BlueProtoman: if 'kismet' still exists it does this
[16:32] <tarkus_> daftykins> ok so that's move all the files from my current possition (/home/tarkus/.PlayOnLinux/) to the HDD (/media/tarkus/sda2/Games/PlayOnLinux)
[16:32] <tarkus_> its working
[16:32] <daftykins> tarkus_: yep, did it complete ok? it would've said nothing
[16:32] <tarkus_> heheh some DOS goes a long way in understanding all this stuff :D
[16:32] <tarkus_> It's working
[16:32] <daftykins> sure does :)
[16:33] <jhag2> so is there a reason it says unable to locate package firmware-b43-llphy-installer ?
[16:33] <BlueProtoman> daftykins: Okay, got it.  How?
[16:34] <daftykins> jhag2: it could be the package name isn't exactly that. try this command to search for package names "apt-cache search firmware-b43"
[16:34] <BlueProtoman> (How can I see what channels everyone around me is using, that is)
[16:34] <daftykins> BlueProtoman: i think you tend to run it in a terminal as "kismet <interface>" where your interface might be wlan0
[16:34] <daftykins> BlueProtoman: it may need sudo also, but try without first :)
[16:35] <tomreyn> BlueProtoman: you can just run "iwlist"
[16:35] <daftykins> cunning.
[16:35] <BlueProtoman> tomreyn: Will that tell me which channels are most or least used by my neighbors?
[16:36] <jhag2> and it seems with lubuntu there is no way to see wireless netowrks that are available
 bummer... got a phew errors (http://paste.ubuntu.com/7680801/0
 bummer... got a phew errors (http://paste.ubuntu.com/7680801/)
[16:36] <tomreyn> BlueProtoman: it will list the AP's around you, their signal strength and configuration (including the channels they are tuned to)
[16:37] <tomreyn> iwlist wlan0 scanning
[16:37] <daftykins> tarkus_: if you run "ls -a" is there anything still in there besides . and .. ?
[16:37] <newuser> hello can anyone say what is --prefix command used alongwitl ./configure
[16:37] <holstein> jhag2: try running "nm-applet" from the terminal
[16:37] <daftykins> tarkus_: please also pastebin "ls -al /media/tarkus/sda2/Games/PlayOnLinux"
[16:37] <BlueProtoman> tomreyn: Okay.  But I only see the router I'm currently connected to.  I want to see the channels *all* nearby routers are using/
[16:38] <holstein> jhag2: should show up down by the time in the tray when its running correctly..
[16:38] <daftykins> BlueProtoman: perhaps it's "iwlist scan" ?
[16:38] <tarkus_> daftykins>, yes sir! here you go (http://paste.ubuntu.com/7680810/)
[16:38] <tomreyn> BlueProtoman: it should show them all, but your current connection may make more difficult to see others. so you may want to disconnect off that AP you're on now, and run this command then.
[16:39] <BlueProtoman> tomreyn: Will try and get back to you on that
[16:39] <jhag2> well i just did nm-applet and it now shows my wired connection
[16:39] <tarkus_> daftykins> I'm guessing this means some files are left over in the wineprefix folder...
[16:39] <jhag2> but i am still not getting my wifi
[16:39] <daftykins> tarkus_: only if you see some?
[16:39] <Chelsea_Jergens> So I installed chromium, and I have adobe flash plugin installed but no video content. What am I doing wrong?
[16:39] <holstein> jhag2: then, its likley the wifi is not on, or the chip is disabled.. or not supported
[16:39] <holstein> !wifi
[16:39] <jhag2> this is supported
[16:40] <tomreyn> Chelsea_Jergens: how did you install flash?
[16:40] <xangua> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree | Chelsea_Jergens
[16:40] <jhag2> when i used wicd my wireless would show up but then when i would restart it would not
[16:40] <BlueProtoman> tomreyn: Yep, it's all good.  Thanks!
[16:40] <Chelsea_Jergens> thru syaptic
[16:41] <tomreyn> bluenemo: welcome
[16:41] <jhag2> and then when i would put my password in i would get bad password
[16:41] <tomreyn> bluenemo: sorry, didn't mean to say that to you
, yes I believe it did leave behind some files (http://paste.ubuntu.com/7680823/)
[16:41] <holstein> jhag2: when you would? what about when you do now? whats different?
[16:41] <clemens__> Anyone?
[16:42] <Chelsea_Jergens> Ubottu: I see the option to install pepperflash, but why would i need to if adobe flash is installed?
[16:42] <daftykins> tarkus_: ok first up "sudo chown -R tarkus: /media/tarkus/sda2/Games/PlayOnLinux" then use cursor up to repeat the "mv" command to re-run it, see if that completes without error
[16:42] <jhag2> well i was advised to uninstall wicd network manager
[16:42] <jhag2> idk, i have the blue light indicating wireless is on
[16:43] <Chelsea_Jergens> tomreyn: i installed chromium thru the packae manager
[16:43] <tomreyn> Chelsea_Jergens: note how i asked about flash, not chromium
[16:43] <holstein> clemens__: i dont see your question..
[16:43] <clemens__> My power button isn't working  anymore. If i'm pressing it the current windows minimizes. If i click on the right top corner shutdown (restart or shutdown) I can click shutdown and the window disappear and it doesn't'appear a second time (Ubuntu 14.04 64 bit)
[16:43] <xangua> Chelsea_Jergens: because chromium/chrome no longer supports npapi plugins
[16:43] <daftykins> jhag2: did you run the command i told you to?
[16:43] <tarkus_> daftykins> SUCCESS!!! operation complete without errors :D
[16:43] <Chelsea_Jergens> tomreyn: my mistake, i installed flash thru the package manager as well
[16:43] <tarkus_> that made total sense
[16:43] <jhag2> which one ?
[16:43] <jhag2> from the forum ?
[16:44] <xmj> which package do i want to install to get mount.nfs?
[16:44] <Chelsea_Jergens> xangua: what are npapi plugins?
[16:44] <daftykins> tarkus_: excellent :) ok now we want to move one folder up, remove the existing .PlayOnLinux and then symlink to the other drive. so "cd .." to go up one, which will be ~ again, then "rm -r .PlayOnLinux"
[16:44] <xmj> (or, similar, the thing that allows NFS mounts) ?
[16:44] <tomreyn> Chelsea_Jergens: so make sure you installed the pepperflash one, the other packages install the npapi one, which works with firefox only
[16:44] <holstein> clemens__: what do you mean by "anymore".. under what conditions did it work?
[16:44] <daftykins> jhag2: apt-cache search firmware-b43
[16:45] <daftykins> jhag2: or is this system not connected to the internet?
[16:45] <Chelsea_Jergens> tomreyn: so flash only works for firefox, and i need pepper to work with chromium?
, done
[16:45] <newuser> BlueProtoman:  can you say why the "--prefix" used along with ./configure
[16:46] <jhag2> what information do you want from my results
[16:46] <holstein> jhag2: is the broadcom firmware you need installed?
[16:46] <daftykins> tarkus_: now for the money maker... make sure you're as tarkus@ and not root right now: "ln -s .PlayOnLinux /media/tarkus/sda2/Games/PlayOnLinux"
[16:46] <tomreyn> Chelsea_Jergens: both is adobe flash, it's just different variants of it. but yes, you need pepperflash for chromium.
[16:46] <holstein> !broadcom | jhag2
[16:46] <Dice> Got a little technical troubleshooting issue, if I may ask in this channel.
[16:46] <daftykins> tarkus_: now if you run "ls -al ~/.PlayOnLinux" you should see all the files again from earlier?
[16:47] <daftykins> Dice: ask away with detail on one line
[16:47] <tomreyn> Chelsea_Jergens: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Flash
[16:47] <malaphus> Hey guys.  I've got a bunch of ubuntu (lubuntu actually) workstations and we've recently begun mounting home directories (nfs) and /tmp with noexec.  Is there a way to also prevent, on a system level, the mounting (auto and manual) of flash drives by unprivileged users?
[16:47] <clemens__> holstein, i can click once on the shut down via the tray. after the second them the window where you can choose restart/shut down doesn't appear
[16:48] <jhag2> it just says b43-fwcutter - utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware firmware-b43-intstaller - firmware installer for the b43 driver firmware-b43legacy-installer - firmware installer for the b43legacy driver
[16:48] <holstein> clemens__: you only need to click once.. there really shouldnt be a need to find the shutdown button again. you say the power button doesnt work anymore.. what does that mean? it used to do what? and in what conditions?
[16:48] <Dice> Situation: OS on HDD doesn't load; using live boot environment to rescue small files.  Can access downloads folders, but the desktop requires admin access, but I don't know how to use the terminal to communicate my login/password and enable transfer permissions.
[16:49] <tarkus_> daftykins> here is what happened before and after I ran the remove command (http://paste.ubuntu.com/7680843/) this is me now as tarkus doing the ln command (http://paste.ubuntu.com/7680861/) Do I need to make the folder we deleted?
[16:49] <tarkus_> Because from the looks of it everything was copied to my HDD but the link is not pointing to it
[16:49] <clemens__> holstein, the power button only minimize skype :D
[16:49] <Chelsea_Jergens> tomreyn, xungua: Successfully installed pepper and chromium plays video. Thank you very much for your insight. Preciate it greatly
[16:49] <tomreyn> Chelsea_Jergens: welcome
[16:50] <jhag2> i also just did lsci -vvnn | grep 14e4 and got the results broadcom corporation bcm4312 802.11/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
[16:50] <OerHeks> jhag2, you forumpost misses one detail "lpphy"  this answer shuld work >< http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2155317&page=2&p=12696403#post12696403
[16:50] <tomreyn> malaphus: i'm not sure how you would detect "flash drives", i think it's best to look into forbidding to mount "removable media", since this can be detected.
[16:50] <OerHeks> ^^ answered some hour ago
[16:50] <jhag2> yeah when i try to install the lpphy it says cannot be found
[16:51] <daftykins> tarkus_: hmm ok hang on i might be making a school boy error, can you pastebin "ls -al ~/" ?
[16:51] <tarkus_> ls -al ~/
[16:51] <jhag2> if anyone wants to remote into my machine feel free
[16:52] <tarkus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7680885/
[16:52] <tomreyn> malaphus: however, i'm not sure how to actually prevent those from getting attached (not mounted) in the first place (you should be able to prevent mounting anything by ordinary users by not adding them to the disk group, though, IIRC)
[16:53] <holstein> jhag2: have you referred to the broadcoma documentation? do you have the firmware needed added?
[16:53] <tomreyn> maybe also the plugdev group
[16:53] <daftykins> tarkus_: ugh i had it backwards, the logic with 'ln' is so hard to read in the words. just confirm the files are still ok in /media/tarkus/sda2/Games/PlayOnLinux ?
[16:54] <clemens_> holstein, seems like skype is blocking this
[16:54] <daftykins> tarkus_: so perhaps it should've been "ln -s /media/tarkus/sda2/Games/PlayOnLinux ~/.PlayOnLinux" then confirm with "ls -al ~/.PlayOnLinux/"
[16:54] <holstein> clemens_: stop, kill, or close skype, and hit the button..
[16:55] <clemens_> holstein, yep then it immediately shut down
[16:55] <holstein> clemens_: ok..
[16:55] <holstein> !bug | clemens_
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/7680900/
[16:55] <holstein> though, skype is proprietary code.. not sure if anything can be addressed..
 btw you getting confused with the logic with ln makes me feel a bit better ;)
[16:56] <daftykins> tarkus_: haha, trust me every time i've used it i've done a little test then gone "ok dafty, remember it's BACKWARDS!" so now i just remember i'll fail every time ;_;
[16:57] <tarkus_> hehehe
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[16:57] <daftykins> tarkus_: ok so that's working :) only my failed attempt first has created a funny link inside there, but it doesn't do any harm
[16:57] <tarkus_> ok, looks like this is done let me triple cuadruple confirm it with a life test :D
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[16:57] <tarkus_>  ./kickban tiirnot
[16:57] <daftykins> tarkus_: you should be safe to fire up PlayOnLinux now and it work yep
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[16:58] <daftykins> well tiiiiiirnot knows the rate limit, i'll give it that
[16:58] <daftykins> !ops
[16:58] <tarkus_> daftykins>, Oh crap! I just noticed I had some files opened from the old playlinux folder
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[16:58] <tarkus_> facepalm!
[16:58] <tarkus_> that's why we got the error before!
[16:58] <tarkus_> :\
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[16:58] <daftykins> tarkus_: aaaah :)
[16:58] <ominomi> Sigh...
[16:58] <tarkus_> hope it does not change the victory
[16:58] <jhag2> wow whats with the spamming of fuck u
[16:58] <daftykins> tarkus_: shouldn't do, we cleared it all out prior to deleting
[16:59] <daftykins> jhag2: ignore it and move on, is best
[16:59] <Dice> Go away, tiiiiiirnot.  :(
[16:59] <IdleOne> jhag2: Mind your language please
[16:59] <jhag2> really
[17:00] <jhag2> i was asking about the above
[17:00] <tarkus_> daftykins> yeah, PlayOnLinux noticed some stuff missing and it's doing an install but I'm confident it will install it on the HDD (which was the main point) I'll be back in a minute or so
[17:00] <jhag2> anyways im lost..
[17:00] <holstein> jhag2: i have so far gotten rid of all my broadcom chips.. but, if you refer to the broadcom link, it should mention the "best" possible driver for your hardware
[17:00] <daftykins> tarkus_: ok i gotta leave now, give me a PM or a highlight for the result when you know :)
[17:01] <jhag2> well its a hp mini 110
[17:01] <chromie> we need mods in offtopic please
[17:01] <tarkus_> daftykins> yes sir! and thanks a lot!
[17:01] <daftykins> tarkus_: my pleasure :)
[17:02] <Dice> I posted my issue above, also.   My issue isn't quite as technical, I want to think.
[17:03] <holstein> jhag2: i have broadcom in my hp mini as well.. i reference the link i gave, and install the software required.. have you?
[17:03] <holstein> !broadcom | jhag2
[17:03] <jhag2> i currently have network controller [0280]: broadcom corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315 (rev 01)
[17:05] <jhag2> like i said when i used wicd network manager my wireless card would pick up the wireless
[17:05] <holstein> jhag2: the repos provides an installer for that device.. do you need help referencing the link? and finding what package to install that provides (hopefully) support for linux for the device?
[17:05] <jhag2> yea... im just lost
[17:05] <holstein> jhag2: not likely.. not if you dont have the firmware loaded.. do you?
[17:05] <jhag2> and feel like i been running in circles
[17:05] <jhag2> what command should i use to find that out ?
[17:05] <holstein> jhag2: you have a device that specifically doenst provide any linux support.. and, we are not allowed to include support for it in linux.. so, you install support after the installation
[17:07] <jhag2> ok... what does that mean. I have read forums where individules have had success
[17:07] <holstein> jhag2: sure.. *i* have had success..
[17:07] <jhag2> im sorry if im repeating myself
[17:07] <holstein> jhag2: have you tried installing the proper firmware? sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[17:08] <jhag2> it says cannot be found
[17:09] <holstein> jhag2: it?
[17:09] <holstein> info firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[17:09] <holstein> jhag2: are you connected to internet? if so, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[17:10] <jhag2> obviously im connected via ethernet
[17:10] <holstein> jhag2: you'll need to be, to download the package
[17:10] <holstein> jhag2: i always chooose to use wire up to internet to get the firmware.. is that an option for you?
[17:11] <jhag2> yes i am connected via ethernet
[17:11] <holstein> jhag2: ok.. so, you can run "sudo apt-get update" and share any errors..
[17:11] <holstein> !paste
[17:11] <jhag2> and it is saying that firmware-b43-installer is available
[17:12] <jhag2> i did not get any errors when i did sudo apt get update
[17:12] <holstein> jhag2: right.. but you need the one for your device.. which is not that one
[17:13] <jhag2> i keep harping on teamviewer because it takes way the confusion
[17:13] <OerHeks> maybe that package lpphy is now part of linux-firmware-nonfree ?
[17:13] <jhag2> i installed that too
[17:13] <OerHeks> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2219423
[17:13] <OerHeks> after that, reboot ?
[17:14] <jhag2> and it says that firmware-b43-lpphy-installer has no installation candidate
[17:15] <holstein> jhag2: let me look at the forum thread OerHeks has shared for you, and try and share with you what the information is specific to your device that broadcom has not provided you support for linux with.. please wait
[17:16] <holstein> jhag2: i agree.. please try the sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree command to get the package that has likely been renamed that can provide support for your specific device
[17:16] <jhag2> im following the thread now
[17:16] <holstein> jhag2: in a terminal.. sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree
[17:16] <OerHeks> i am not sure what steps you did, and what packages you need to remove now.
[17:16] <pyoor> Hi all.  I'm having an issue using a touch screen on Ubuntu 14.4 - it seems that touch actions only work for unity elements - however, trying to use the touch screen in chrome, virtualbox, etc doesn't seem to work
[17:17] <jhag2> ok just finished follow the forum
[17:17] <jhag2> i will reboot now
[17:17] <Dice> I'm still patiently waiting for a bit of assistance.  My issue only relates to how to gain administrator access while in Live CD environment to gain copy permissions from HDD.
[17:18] <m1dnight__> Dice: simply do 'sudo su'
[17:18] <holstein> Dice: i use sudo
[17:18] <m1dnight__> that should work
[17:18] <m1dnight__> no password required
[17:18] <holstein> !sudo
[17:18] <Dice> From terminal?
[17:18] <m1dnight__> yes
[17:18] <Dice> Okay.  Trying that now.
[17:18] <m1dnight__> np
[17:19] <m1dnight__> btw Dice you should see a hashtag then, instead of a $
[17:19] <vael_> Hello , how can i add gufw rules for wifi hostspot please help me
[17:19] <Dice> Once that is done, can I use my file manager GUI to copy/paste as desired?
[17:19] <Dice> Because I am none to privy to using terminal for those operations.
[17:19] <holstein> Dice: i would open whatever filemanager i want with gksudo
[17:21] <sydney> Dice: What live cd are you using?
[17:21] <jhag2> i am back
[17:21] <jhag2> what is a good way to check to see if i can connect to m wifi
[17:22] <Dice> I am using LXLE's live cd.  Version 12.04.4 for 32bit "revisited" installer
[17:22] <Dice> Spun from Lubuntu, I believe.
[17:22] <holstein> Dice: lxle will provide support
[17:23] <holstein> Dice: in stock ubuntu/lubuntu, you should be able to access drives as you wish.. gksudo thunar would open thunar with root access
[17:24] <sydney> Dice: lxde?
[17:24] <Dice> I will continue my efforts.  GKSUDO provided me access to PCManFM, but then it gave me no access to the HDD.
[17:24] <Dice> Oddly.
[17:24] <sydney> Dice: The didnt show up in the right hand bar?
[17:25] <sydney> left hand*
[17:25] <holstein> Dice: there are more reasons not to have access.. if you have a failing drive..
[17:25] <Dice> Wait... hold on.  I THINK GKSUDO+PCManFM may have done the trick.  I have 2 windows open, one to the file manager and the other for my HDD's desktop folder.
[17:25] <Dice> I seem to be able to copy over...
[17:26] <jhag2> ok... so i think im gonna wicd network manager
[17:26] <jhag2> because i cannot see if im able to connect to my wireless internet
[17:27] <streamofthot> good afternoon everybody
[17:27] <holstein> jhag2: you dont need to.. you only need to see if you have the firmware loaded
[17:27] <streamofthot> with AMD Catalyst 14.6 on Ubuntu 14.04, kernel 3.13, my laptop often does not display anything at all after sleep mode unless I press ctrl+alt+f7, which doesn't always work; should I revert to xorg-video-ati or is there any tip I haven't found across Google yet?
[17:27] <jhag2> what command do i need to use to see that
[17:28] <holstein> jhag2: i run lspci, and see if i see the hardware there.. then i use "ifconfig" to see if the device is present there
[17:29] <jhag2> i see the broadcom listed
[17:29] <jhag2> and the ethernet listed
[17:29] <Dice> Thanks for much for the pointers and help, folks.  I've been using LXLE and prior to that, Mint 16, due to my laptop and its lackluster horsepower, needing lightweight distros for as smooth as ride as I can hope.
[17:30] <holstein> jhag2: ok.. so, you should be able to use a network manager to connect to wifi.. wicd is a network manager.. if you prefer it.. otherwise, you should see the nm-applet in the tray
[17:32] <Jonii_> Hello. I don't really know where to ask, but I seem to be unable to get newest version of Spotify on my Ubuntu devices
[17:32] <holstein> Jonii_: they may not provide it... have you asked them?
[17:32] <Jonii_> I have 12.4 and 14.4. OMGUbuntu claimed that Spotify did release the newest version
[17:33] <Jonii_> Like, newest version being the UI rework, with dark black theme
[17:33] <holstein> Jonii_: i would ask them. and see if the ppa is still supported by them http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/how-to-install-spotify-in-ubuntu-12-04-12-10
[17:34] <Jonii_> holstein: that's where I've gotten my Spotify updates
[17:35] <holstein> Jonii_: then, ask them to push a newer version out in the ppa.. maybe even offer to help, to grease the wheels, so to speak
[17:35] <Jonii_> holstein: OMGUbuntu claimed the newest version is there already :/
[17:36] <Jonii_> Ready to install, if you just know how
[17:36] <holstein> Jonii_: sure.. but omgubuntu is not in charge of anything in any way relating to the project
[17:37] <Jonii_> It's not, but they did include standard installation instructions for spotify and screenshots of ubuntu native spotify running with the new theme
[17:37] <holstein> Jonii_: you have the ppa added? you have check for updates? "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
[17:37] <Snappo> anyone here familiar with truecrypt?
[17:37] <holstein> Jonii_: sure.. but, they are not responsible for officially supporting spotify
[17:37] <holstein> Snappo: its eol
[17:37] <Snappo> looking for a simple way to keep my encrypted drive
[17:37] <Snappo> well I know that
[17:37] <Snappo> I just don't want to sit here and copy everything to luks or whatever
[17:37] <Jonii_> Snappo: Truecrypt is simple, but I don't think you can encrypt your system drive
[17:37] <skinux> How do we install and use PIP for Python 3 with Python 2 being default?
[17:38] <Snappo> Jonii_, I already have my secondary drive encrypted with it, is what i'm saying
[17:38] <Snappo> I've been told it uses normal Linux tools in the backend
[17:38] <joey_> dont use truecrypt
[17:38] <Snappo> so i just want to know what i need to use to open my volume
[17:38] <Snappo> joey_, that's the goal! now how?
[17:38] <Jonii_> what does apt-get dist-upgrade do?
[17:39] <joey_> well
[17:39] <joey_> use what comes with ubuntu
[17:39] <holstein> Snappo: to open it? id use truecrypt, then swich to an alternative
[17:39] <joey_> aaahh
[17:39] <joey_> yeah
 Snappo: to open it? id use truecrypt, then swich to an alternative
[17:39] <Snappo> <Snappo> I just don't want to sit here and copy everything to luks or whatever
[17:39] <Snappo> not what I need help with :(
[17:39] <Snappo> I just want to know what other programs can open it
[17:39] <Snappo> so I can replace the truecrypt program itself
[17:39] <joey_> its sad
[17:39] <joey_> when something isnt open
[17:40] <joey_> thats what you have to deal with
[17:40] <Snappo> but it is, isn't it?
[17:40] <joey_> not really
[17:40] <holstein> Snappo: i dont think truecrypt intended that.. i would use truecrypt to open, then switch
[17:40] <Snappo> holstein, so here's my dilemma
[17:41] <Snappo> I have a huge hard disk full of stuff
[17:41] <Snappo> literally nearly full
[17:41] <Snappo> no place to put the files
[17:41] <Snappo> how can I possibly switch to anything under these conditions?
[17:41] <holstein> Snappo: sure.. but, i dont think that functionality was intended with truecrypt. depending on how you set them up..
[17:41] <joey_> just switch it
[17:41] <joey_> really
[17:41] <joey_> thats life
[17:41] <Snappo> Hoooowww
[17:41] <joey_> get another hard drive ?
[17:41] <joey_> :O
[17:41] <joey_> hk
[17:41] <Snappo> psh
[17:41] <joey_> jk
[17:42] <holstein> Snappo: thats the problem with "putting all your eggs in one basket" so to speak.. or, someone may take truecrypt and fork it, and provide that
[17:42] <joey_> do it gradually
[17:42] <joey_> move an amount
[17:42] <joey_> then
[17:42] <joey_> oh right..
[17:42] <Snappo> 4,226 items, totalling 582.8 GB
[17:42] <Snappo> on a 640 gb volume
[17:42] <Snappo> my root is smaller, it's just an ssd
[17:42] <joey_> get a 4tb hard drive
[17:42] <joey_> :D jk
[17:42] <joey_> im not helping
[17:42] <Snappo> not really ;_;
[17:42] <joey_> bubye :)
[17:43] <Snappo> my co-worker told me that dm-crypt or something or other can open truecrypt stuff
[17:43] <holstein> Snappo: try it..
[17:43] <joey_>  cant you unlock it with truecrypt?
[17:43] <Jonii_> holstein: thanks! dist-upgrade did it!
[17:43] <joey_> and return it to a normal state?
[17:43] <Snappo> joey_, hmm I'll try that
[17:43] <holstein> Jonii_: cheers..
[17:43] <Jonii_> holstein: though, I still don't understand why it did it
[17:43] <Snappo> then the issue will be getting everything encrypted again
[17:43] <joey_> thats the easy part
[17:43] <joey_> i think..
[17:43] <joey_> haha i dont know
[17:43] <holstein> Jonii_: you have the source added to your sources.. you have to use an update command to update the list of packages
[17:43] <tarkus_> truecrypt, isnt that compromised ?
[17:44] <joey_> yup
[17:44] <m1dnight__> isn't it just deprecated?
[17:44] <m1dnight__> not really compromised?
[17:44] <Jonii_> holstein: update command does that usually
[17:44] <joey_> compromised.
[17:44] <m1dnight__> oh, didn't know that
[17:44] <Snappo> tarkus_, yes which is why I'm asking for migration help
[17:44] <joey_> and deprecated
[17:44] <joey_> both
[17:44] <tarkus_> Snappo, hehe ok :)
[17:45] <holstein> Snappo: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/ suggests what to download if you are migrating.. which is what i read you are doing..
[17:45] <Jonii_> holstein: I mean, I didn't even add any sources. It's the same old source, usually you just run that update-command after adding a source, right?
[17:45] <holstein> Jonii_: you did. you added the ppa for spotify
[17:45] <Snappo> yeah, the most useless instructions ever holstein :P
[17:45] <Snappo> "Use any integrated support for encryption. Search available installation packages for words encryption and crypt, install any of the packages found and follow its documentation."
[17:45] <pyoor> can anyone tell me why touchscreen under 14.04 doesn't work in chrome?
[17:45] <Snappo> thaaaanks
[17:46] <holstein> Snappo: ? you'll use the 7.2 version there or where ever to migrate
[17:46] <Jonii_> holstein: no I did not. I've had ppa for spotify for years
[17:46] <holstein> Jonii_: correct.. and "sudo apt-get update" updates the list of packages to your operating system.. you had not done that.. you have to ask for updates
[17:46] <Snappo> holstein, I'm not touching that 7.2 binary with a ten foot pole
[17:46] <Jonii_> holstein: that command I had run
[17:47] <holstein> Snappo: cool.. maybe try and look at the fork, and maybe offer support or funding for the project
[17:47] <Snappo> maybe
[17:47] <Snappo> the fork doesn't really have legs yet
[17:47] <Snappo> I can make a website full of promises too :P
[17:47] <holstein> Snappo: otherwise, you will take the application, and open the data, and migrate
[17:47] <bekks> Snappo: you can use ecryptfs or LUKS, e.g.
[17:47] <Snappo> bekks, I was thinking about that but that still requires me to move the files and I have no where to stage them, no extra storage
[17:48] <bekks> Snappo: then you cant use encryption.
[17:48] <holstein> you should have that extra storage for backup purposes anyways..
[17:48]  * Snappo weeps quietly in the corner
[17:49] <Snappo> I was planning to build a NAS when I can afford it
[17:49] <bekks> Snappo: you should plan to have a backup first. :)
[17:49] <holstein> well, you will lose whatever you dont have backed up.. regardless.. *all* drives fail.. might be a "better" use of funds to just get an external drive
[17:50] <joey_> cant you move some files
[17:50] <holstein> you can facilitate this migration now, and have a backup option..
[17:50] <joey_> to a partition
[17:50] <joey_> then resize the 640gb harddrive?
[17:50] <joey_> and create a new partition on this one
[17:50] <joey_> and... etc... get it ?
[17:52] <Munster> o/
[17:52] <Snappo> I can't even figure out how to decrypt I don't see a button for it -_-
[17:53] <bekks> Snappo: So you actually encrypted your data, you have no backup and you have no way to access it anymore?
[17:53] <Snappo> bekks: no
[17:54] <tarkus_> he just doesnt know how to decrypt the whole drive
[17:54] <tarkus_> without losing the data
[17:54] <Snappo> let me re-explain. I used TrueCrypt to encrypt a physical hard disk I have here. Then, I filled that disk with data I'd like to keep. Then, I heard about the drama with Truecrypt shutting down and stuff about the NSA and all that crap
[17:54] <tarkus_> if I'm understanding him correctly
[17:54] <holstein> you use truecrypt to decrypt and mnigrate
[17:54] <Snappo> so now, even though I have a fully working setup, I'm worried about running TrueCrypt going forward
[17:54] <holstein> migrate*
[17:55] <holstein> Snappo: correct.. dont run it anymore going foward, since you cant trust the encrypction process
[17:55] <holstein> you use it once more, and migrate to what you like
[17:55] <Snappo> I don't haaaave anywhere to migrate to -_-;;;;
[17:56] <holstein> Snappo: you need backup regardless.. that drive *is* going to fail. so, just go ahead and plan for that, then, you will have space, and a proper backup
[17:56] <Snappo> I guess
[17:56] <Snappo> time to open the disk analyser app and make tough calls :(
[17:57] <bekks> Snappo: you dont need the disk analyser app at all for what you have to do. :)
[17:57] <Snappo> muh
[17:57] <holstein> it cant read the data anyways..
[17:58] <LiveUSBFTW> Hi guys. How would I obtain access to an encrypted home/user folder (of a regular installation) - from a LiveUSB session? When I mount the laptop's hard-drive and navigate to the user folder, it denies me permission to view it in the graphical interface. I'm told to use ecryptfs-mount-private (IIRC) from the Terminal instead. But that doesn't work either. It says that the directory is not encrypted properly.
[17:58] <LiveUSBFTW> (Obviously, I'm using a LiveUSB session because the normal installation won't boot)
[18:00] <Snappo> aha! http://askubuntu.com/questions/420749/decrypt-truecrypt-containers-using-dm-crypt
[18:00] <bekks> Snappo: dmcrypt cannot decrypt truecrypt-encrypted stuff.
[18:00] <joey_> ooooooooooooooooooooo
[18:00] <joey_> snap
[18:00] <bekks> Snappo: you need to use truecrypt to decrypt that stuff.
[18:00] <holstein> Snappo: its also not the decryption step. its that you cant trust how they were encrypted
[18:01] <Snappo> ugh
[18:01] <holstein> Snappo: just migrating to a different way of decrypting doesnt address that..
[18:01] <Snappo> whatever I'll just keep using tc until I can afford more storage
[18:01] <Snappo> :(
[18:02] <joey_> nothing is safe anyway
[18:14] <tarkus_> Earlier you guys where helping me set up the ln command... I'm now testing to see if there is any difference between the installation that PlayOnLinux did for Hearthstone <<Versus>> the installation I backed up from my old windows machine.
[18:14] <tarkus_> I'm using (diff --recursive --brief /media/tarkus/sda2/Games/PlayOnLinux/wineprefix/hearthstone/drive_c/Program Files/Hearthstone /media/tarkus/DATA/Games/Hearthstone) and it seams to be working...
[18:15] <tarkus_> If it comes with a match... does this mean I don't have to Re-download Diablo 3 and simply copy it ?
[18:15] <tarkus_> like... there won't be any weird hidden files
[18:26] <Guest98567> hallo
[18:27] <tarkus_> hi
[18:27] <bprompt> allo
[18:29] <bigbrovar> Hi guys.. I am a sysadmin looking to adopt ubuntu 14.04 as administrative desktop for the university where I work. We use a roaming profile of NSF ( for user home directory, and ldap for authentication) What I need is an easy way to create a user profile and lock it down so that all our users have a uniform user settings (predetermined by the administrator)
[18:29] <darent> hi all
[18:29] <bigbrovar> is there a tool on ubuntu that allows one to create a systemwide user profile?
[18:32] <michaelms> Hi, I've got a problem, ping 8.8.8.8 is responding, but I can't access any site anyway
[18:32] <michaelms> Will you help?
[18:32] <awpti> michaelms, pop open a console, "nslookup", at the prompt: server 8.8.8.8
[18:33] <JohnQ> is 8.8.8.8 in your /etc/resolv.conf?
[18:33] <awpti> And then type a domain.
[18:33] <duduindo> :D
[18:34] <duduindo> Salve Negada!
[18:34] <|nb|> THX TO WHOEVER HELPED ME
[18:34] <|nb|> it was easier than i thought
[18:35] <|nb|> i got stuck for a second but i figured it out
[18:35] <|nb|> the isntallation was easy!!!!
[18:36] <|nb|> can i install ubuntu on my android?
[18:36] <wilee-nilee> !touch | |nb|
[18:36] <michaelms> > 8.8.8.8
[18:36] <michaelms> Server:         127.0.0.1
[18:36] <michaelms> Address:        127.0.0.1#53
[18:37] <michaelms> 8.8.8.8 is not in my resolv.conf
[18:37] <vmnovak> Good Afternoon all
[18:38] <vmnovak> Anyone in here framilar with setting up OpenVPN with Ubuntu Server?
[18:38] <wilee-nilee> vmnovak, Try addressing the actual issue for help.
[18:38] <vmnovak> I have a Linode account that I'm trying to set it up for, I've followed their own guide but can't seem to get it to connect.  I'm not sure if this is a firewalling issue or some other problem.
[18:39] <vmnovak> wilee-nilee: Well thats kinda my problem.  Im not sure where the issue is exactly.
[18:39] <michaelms> does it say anythin?
[18:39] <michaelms> anything
[18:40] <vmnovak> I've configured OpenVPN via the guide provided by linode, generated and copied the relevent keys to my system, but when I attempt to connect it hangs at "MANAGEMENT: >STATE:1403375994,WAIT,,,"
[18:40] <michaelms> how can I clean up DNS cache in my system?
[18:41] <vmnovak> @michaelms: I don't think Ubuntu caches DNS requests by default
[18:42] <michaelms> so how do you think what is going wrong?
[18:42] <michaelms> Can you give me an address of a static html site?
[18:43] <vmnovak> michaelms: Do you mean for my own system for the VPN or are you trying to address your own issue?
[18:43] <michaelms> vmnovak: my own
[18:43] <vmnovak> What problem are you having exactly?
[18:44] <michaelms> vmnovak: ping 8.8.8.8 and other pings work nicely but pages don't get loaded
[18:44] <michaelms> I'm trying to figure out why
[18:45] <vmnovak> michaelms: Does DNS relsolve if you try to ping a domain name instead?  Like google.com
[18:46] <michaelms> vmnovak: yes
[18:46] <dbugger> Hi guys. I am getting sometimes a crackling sound on the speakers. Any idea how I could get rid of it?
[18:46] <vmnovak> I would think then that DNS would not be the issue.  If you can resolve DNS down at the command line I don't see why the browser would be a problem
[18:47] <m1dnight__> hey guys
[18:47] <m1dnight__> I installed conky and it runs at startup (it flashes for a second) and then disappears
[18:47] <vmnovak> Is it possible you've accidently blocked TCP Port 80 on the firewall?
[18:47] <m1dnight__> There is a conky process running though
[18:47] <m1dnight__> So I don't know how to debug this
[18:48] <holstein> m1dnight__: i would kill it, and run it from the termimal where i could kill it easily, and test configurations
[18:48] <m1dnight__> well, When i run it from the terminal it just pops up
[18:48] <m1dnight__> I removed my .conkyrc file and I'm gonna see what that does
[18:49] <michaelms> vmnovak: but it is every browser..
[18:49] <michaelms> vmnovak: no
[18:49] <michaelms> vmnovak: I didn't block this port
[18:49] <m1dnight__> hmm, still running but not appearing
[18:49] <paulus68> is it possible to create a diskimage under linux that I can use to install on a new HD?
[18:49] <m1dnight__> I do see 9 conky processes though
[18:49] <m1dnight__> lets disable autostart
[18:50] <m1dnight__> maybe that has something to do with it
[18:50] <m1dnight__> hmm
[18:50] <m1dnight__> that doesn't do it
[18:50] <tarkus_> Hey, can someone take a look at this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7681421/
[18:51] <holstein> m1dnight__: kill all the conky processes.. start it from the terminal, and you should see output.. where did you get the config you are using?
[18:52] <m1dnight__> I'm using the default config atm
[18:52] <m1dnight__> I've added sleep 3 before the startup commmand now
[18:52] <m1dnight__> lets see if that does soemthing
[18:53] <vmnovak> michaelms: try to surf to 74.125.226.169
[18:54] <wilee-nilee> paulus68, disc image meaning what exactly?
[18:54] <entreri> how do you receive bluetooth files ?
[18:54] <tarkus_> I'm trying to sync files one way SOURCE>>>DESTINATION by using "rsync -qru" any other arguments will help me out? or that's good or overkill ?
[18:55] <entreri> Android device fails to send files via bluetooth to my ubuntu computer
[18:55] <jhutchins> entreri: Do you mean transfer files over bluetooth?
[18:55] <entreri> yes I do
[18:55] <paulus68> m1dnight__: use this forum you will learn a lot about conky configs there http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865
[18:55] <jhutchins> entreri: You need software that receives them.
[18:55] <entreri> what name ?
[18:55] <m1dnight__> paulus68: the config is not the problem atm. The problem is getting it to show on startup
[18:55] <paulus68> wilee-nilee, meaning like a ghost image under windows
[18:56] <michaelms> vmnovak: nothing
[18:56] <michaelms> request sent and that's all
[18:56] <m1dnight__> oh
[18:56] <wilee-nilee> paulus68, Sure,
[18:56] <m1dnight__> conky & is the command..
[18:56] <paulus68> m1dnight__, it's also discussed there
[18:56] <jhutchins> entreri: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Hardware/Bluetooth_Transferring_and_receiving_files_under_Ubuntu
[18:56] <vmnovak> michaelms: Then your are definately not looking at a DNS issue.  If it was just DNS that should have pulled the google homepage.
[18:56] <entreri> jhutchins, thank you !
[18:57] <paulus68> wilee-nilee, what do I need to do to achieve this
[18:57] <jhutchins> m1dnight__: Try it without the & from a terminal.
[18:57] <michaelms> vmnovak: mtr shows a loss of packet at the destination place. Can it be the reason?
[18:57] <michaelms> (in fact, not only at the destination place, but everywhere. something like 5%)
[18:57] <wilee-nilee> paulus68, clone it and deploy on the other HD, there are multiple ways, a dd a copy and paste of the partitions with a partitioner
[18:58] <m1dnight__> I think I fixed it
[18:58] <m1dnight__> nope, I didn't :p
[18:59] <m1dnight__> oh typo
[18:59] <m1dnight__> lets see :)
[18:59] <wilee-nilee> paulus68, Check out clonezilla it has deployment schemas as well.
[18:59] <no_PAE> hi, is adding non-pae kernel form minicd image to already created installation usb take possible?
[18:59] <vmnovak> michaelms, It would seem to indicate some sort of issue.  This is a physical machine on the network correct?  Not a VM or anything like that?  Have you tried similar troubleshooting on other machines to see if its a local issue or not?
[18:59] <paulus68> wilee-nilee, in my situation I have a 120 gig SSD about 40 gig used and I need to get it on a new SSD which is 250 GIG
[18:59] <m1dnight__> yes! :) I had to execute "sh -c 'sleep 3; conky'"
[18:59] <m1dnight__> instead of just conky
[19:00] <wilee-nilee> paulus68, I use clonezilla my self but I have externals for images and backups, it saves the mbr so the clone is bootable.
[19:01] <michaelms> vmnovak: unfortunately, no other machines here. This machine is physical, no vm
[19:02] <wilee-nilee> paulus68, Having a clone/image can save you alot of time and effort as well instead of a reinstall and setup if your OS or HD goes south.
[19:02] <paulus68> wilee-nilee, well I need to get a bootable image of my current SSD then changing the current SSD to my /home and install my image on the new SSD
[19:03] <wilee-nilee> paulus68, Do you have a separate home now?
[19:03] <paulus68> wilee-nilee, not at this point
[19:04] <vmnovak> michaelms, Not sure then, My usual move at this point since we have verified connectivity via Ping with both IP and DNS would be to connect another device to the switch/router/whatever to see if this was more of a network configuration issue.  Loosing Pings is a problem but with only 5% I would think the connection would still work
[19:05] <michaelms> vmnovak: OK, turned out that I have other devices here. They are working properly
[19:05] <milad191> how can i install flash player for videos in firefox - ubuntu ?
[19:05] <paulus68> m1dnight__, I still suggest you take a look at the forum I posted earlier everything is mentioned there and you have lots of way to adapt, I used it before and learned it from this thread
[19:06] <wilee-nilee> paulus68, You can separate one from the install, I would do the move than the separate. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[19:06] <bprompt> !flash | milad191
[19:06] <michaelms> Is it possible to download sites by telnet?
[19:07] <wilee-nilee> paulus68, I would advise using a clone to move, you are asking a lot of questions this seems new to you, a clone will be good insurance in case you mess up
[19:08] <paulus68> wilee-nilee, is that one of the options in clonezilla? clone to move I mean
[19:09] <wilee-nilee> paulus68, A cloning app has a lot of possibilities on of which is putting the clone where you want.
[19:09] <EliUmniCk> hi ^^
[19:09] <m1dnight__> I'm reading through it atm paulus68
[19:09] <cooljvc> Can someone help me out with the rsync command here is what I've tried and the error msg I got (http://paste.ubuntu.com/7681498/)
[19:09] <m1dnight__> thanks
[19:09] <EliUmniCk> i have some nasty problem with samba4 and ubuntu 14.04 server
[19:10] <wilee-nilee> paulus68, http://clonezilla.org/ I suggest some research along with questions here. ;)
[19:10] <EliUmniCk> anyone can help ?
[19:10] <paulus68> m1dnight__, it will take some time but is very usefull at the end
[19:10] <wilee-nilee> !details | EliUmniCk
[19:11] <bprompt> paulus68:    you don't happen to have a cable with a sata connector, you can just plug in the usb port?      -> http://www.satacables.com/SATA-Hard-Drive-to-usb-adapter/images/CGS-SA100P-connect.jpg
[19:12] <paulus68> wilee-nilee, ok thanks
[19:12] <paulus68> bprompt, ??
[19:12] <EliUmniCk> on ubuntu 14.04 machine, i have a shared folder, call it /share. /share contains mounted drive. i mounted \\<ubuntu machin>\share in a windows 7 machine. when i want to copy large part of data, samba complains their is not enough free space on /share, because samba only read free space of /share, and not the free space of the mounted drive
[19:12] <EliUmniCk> any idea how to solve that ?
[19:12] <EliUmniCk> and no i cant shared mounted drive directly
[19:13] <EliUmniCk> i was previously on ubuntu 10.04, with the same configuration, and it was working fine
[19:13] <dj> Hi everyone, so I just switched to ubuntu, can you recommend a good PDF reader for me?
[19:14] <wilee-nilee> dj, good is subjective, there are a few try them out.
[19:14] <dj> wilee-nilee: Can you name a few?
[19:14] <wilee-nilee> dj, nope, easy to find, to the work. ;)
[19:14] <wilee-nilee> do*
[19:15] <bprompt> paulus68:    I'm thinking you can just stick in the new 250Gbs SSD, make a partition in it, ext4 maybe, boot with a livecd, plug in the old 128gbs SSD, transfer about, then chroot to the partitiion in the 256Gbs ssd and update and install grub to /dev/sda
[19:15] <sydney> dj: Ubuntu should already have one installed.
[19:15] <paulus68> bprompt, nope I don't have that sorry
[19:16] <dj> sydney: Yeah, but that one is kinda slow...
[19:16] <sydney> dj: Document Viewer is?
[19:17] <dj> sydney: yes, It is.
[19:17] <sydney> dj: Hmm
[19:17] <zeracca> Hi. I am trying to install Ubuntu Server 14.04, but under install it doesnt detect my ethernet card, so i have no network connection. How can I make ubuntu server detect my ethernet card under install?
[19:17] <dj> sydney: maybe it's just me? is it working fine for you?
[19:17] <sydney> dj: What version of ubuntu are you running?What are your specs?
[19:18] <dj> sydney: I am running 14.04LTS on my laptop with i5, 8gb memory and hybrid drive
[19:19] <sydney> dj: And its slow!? Weird!! I am using 1 gig of ram,and its fast.
[19:20] <zeracca> Please help :) maybe a link which provides help. There is no eth0, because it doesnt detect it... but with a check with lshw the ethernet card was p33p1 as name or something
[19:21] <wilee-nilee> zeracca, You have to have some patience here, pleading does not work, if someone knows they generally answer. ;)
[19:21] <Sander^home> Is there any special reason why I ubuntu 14.04 with this process of burning a cd dosnt work: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/burn-a-dvd-on-ubuntu ?
[19:22] <wilee-nilee> Sander^home, To big for a cd
[19:22] <zeracca> wilee-nilee, sorry i will have patience :)
[19:22] <Sander^home> wilee-nilee, sorry.. i'm using a dvd.
[19:22] <wilee-nilee> zeracca, You might try #ubuntu-server as well. ;)
[19:22] <zeracca> wilee-nilee, thank you, ill try :D
[19:22] <sydney> dj: Evince might work
[19:23] <wilee-nilee> !pdf
[19:23] <wilee-nilee> couple more if wanted
[19:24] <Dr_Dan> Hello,  it seems i am having trouble with pepper-flash 14.0.0.125 and chromium 35.0.1916.153 on my Ubuntu 12 desktop.  Lots of crashes on various sites
[19:24] <sydney> wilee-nilee: I forget that ubottu  has all the answers. ;)
[19:24] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[19:24] <Dr_Dan> Known issue perhaps?
[19:25] <dj> sydney: Thanks, i might try a few
[19:25] <EliUmniCk> thanks for ur help i find the 'dfree command' which solved my issue ^^
[19:25] <sydney> !rtf
[19:25] <sydney> :D
[19:25] <bprompt> sydney:    to be fair, Adobe Reader isn't that bad.. and it's also a tabbed browser, keep also in mind that Google chrome the browser comes with it's own pdf viewer
[19:25] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Dan, Have you tried just making a new user, tweaking if you have can lead to problems, and it is not exactly adobe flash it has limitations.
[19:25] <sydney> bprompt: Im not saying its bad. ;)
[19:26] <suicido> any one knows how do i get the terminal form of xchat,i dnt like the Ginterface
[19:26] <Dr_Dan> Wilee:  a new unix user?
[19:26] <wilee-nilee> suicido, I doubt there is one, but multiple cli irc clients however.
[19:27] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Dan, Me?
[19:27] <bprompt> sydney:    https://screenshots.debian.net/screenshots/q/qpdfview/9399_large.png   <---    tis what I use, uses okular libs as backend, but is fast, multitab, and you can move the tabs
[19:27] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Dan, this is not unix either
[19:27] <Dr_Dan> Wilee:   no,  sorry.  I mean are you asking me to create a new user
[19:28] <kingplusplus> please this is general linux... question. Is there alternative to truecrypt?
[19:28] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Dan, Yeah http://www.chromium.org/developers/creating-and-using-profiles
[19:28] <suicido> tx
[19:29] <Dr_Dan> Back.
[19:29] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Dan, Chromium is on it's way out I would just run chrome, if that browser template is of importance
[19:30] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Dan, Yeah http://www.chromium.org/developers/creating-and-using-profiles did not see you eave but if you missed
[19:30] <wilee-nilee> leave*
[19:31] <Dr_Dan> Sorry.  I got disconnected.  But i got your message,  thanks!
[19:31] <wilee-nilee> np
[19:32] <Erdrick> Hello. I am trying to install Ubuntu on an 8GB "SanDisk Cruzer Glide" thumbstick, so I can boot from it without modifying my current Windows installation. At first I tried just using it as a Live USB stick (created from an ISO of Ubuntu 14.04 using PenDriveLinux) but the OS would not boot, it just hangs as soon as I select "Try Ubuntu without installing".
[19:34] <Erdrick> I then tried installing to the thumbdrive from DVD, but the DVD won't boot at all in UEFI mode, and in Legacy mode only shows "Error 100 unable to read sector XXXXXX" with the sector number continuously growing until rebooting and starting over.
[19:34] <Erdrick> What can I do to install Ubuntu? (WUBI also won't work because my Windows 7 x64 install is on UEFI).
[19:35] <holstein> wubi is not supported any longer
[19:35] <holstein> !install
[19:35] <holstein> !uefi | Erdrick this may be specifically helpful
[19:36] <Erdrick> Thank you, I will read that page.
[19:38] <ramsub07> Hi guys, I have upgraded to ubuntu 13.10 and ran the $sudo apt-get update command. Yet, the OpenSSL version is that of Feb 2013, which is vulnerable to heartbleed.
[19:39] <OerHeks> !heartbleed
[19:39] <OerHeks> ramsub07, if you updated, you are fine, those urls tell you detailed why
[19:40] <OerHeks> personally i would give it an obvious versionnumber, but they somehowe won't
[19:41] <jhag2> anyone have experience with printer troubleshooting ?
[19:41] <wilee-nilee> OerHeks, No name goes with the yah, yah it'd fixed linux mindset. ;)
[19:42] <rww> "but they somehow won't" => because Ubuntu has packaging guidelines, including what version numbers should look like
[19:42] <rww> most Linux distros that backport to stable are the same way
[19:42] <wilee-nilee> ah, that makes sense
[19:42] <sydney> !gnome-fallback
[19:42] <ramsub07> And also, I am getting disconnected from my wifi quite often in this version of ubuntu. Why so >
[19:42] <ramsub07> ?
[19:43] <jhag2> when i go to print, the printer shows the printing load bar on it but then doesnt print ? what could cause this ?
[19:43] <wilee-nilee> ramsub07, Hardware info would be pertinent.
[19:44] <ramsub07> hardware as in , you mean the wifi driver in my machine or the router ?
[19:45] <sydney> ramsub07: the wifi card.What is it?
[19:45] <sydney> brand,model?
[19:45] <wilee-nilee> ramsub07, The router is inconsequential, the wifi info, should show in lspci on the terminal, tell the channel not me in particular. ;)
[19:46] <newmember> good day
[19:47] <ramsub07> 07:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT3290 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe
[19:47] <newmember> I am trying to recover a lost server.  I cant select a 'root file system'  they all fail, I am in the 'rescue mode' setup steps
[19:47] <ramsub07> sydney, wilee-nilee:
[19:48] <jhag2> anyone use teamviewer ?
[19:49] <newmember> jhag2: yes
[19:49] <jhag2> do you know anything about why printers might not work
[19:49] <Bashing-om> newmember: Can the liveDVD see your server partitions ?
[19:51] <niklas> hi
[19:52] <newmember> Bashing-om: checking
[19:52] <niklas> do you look the football game?
[19:53] <niklas> germany vs. anybody
[19:53] <Bashing-om> newmember: OK, do you want to rescue the install, or recover the files ?
[19:53] <sydney> ramsub07: Ok,im not sure how to help you. Please ask the question again in the whole channel,with the info of the card.
[19:53] <newmember> when it asks for the device to use a root system I have:  /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda5 /dev/mail/root /dev/maill/swap_1
[19:54] <valduare> hi guys im popping a ubuntu installer cd into the computer and it starts up but then when I hit try running ubuntu without installing…. a popup box shows up with single button “OK”  I hit that and nothing happens
[19:54] <valduare> any ideas
[19:55] <Bashing-om> newmember:  That from the grub boot prompt ? context is important info to know.
[19:55] <bobRoss> anybody willing to tawk ufw?
[19:55] <holstein> !ufw
[19:56] <freezer> Looking for a good howto to install Ubuntu on a MacBookPro late 2013
[19:56] <newmember> Bashing-om: that is from the Rescue Mode
[19:56] <tokata> sup
[19:57] <Dr_Dan> Wiliee:  when i encounter pepperflash crash. Its saying pep_module.cpp  SANDBOXED  in the logs
[19:57] <n00buntu> is there a way to force apt to install programs on a seperate partition?
[19:57] <bobRoss> :) i got it running using the qui Gufw but my question is: is that the way to go? is it safe?
[19:58] <newmember> Bashing-om: I booted from DVD and selected 'Rescue Mode' then it asked for keyboard and network, then now its asking what partition to run the root file system
[19:59] <bobRoss> I tested i on a few sites and it passed (almost all ports in stealth mode etc.) so do I have a right to relax a little?
[19:59] <zykotick9> n00buntu: nope.  fyi, moving programs around is a big pain (but typically not required!).  statically linked, none apt stuff you could just drop into /opt would be simple enough, but packaged stuff... would be tricky
[19:59] <Bashing-om> newmember: That appears to be a booting issue, but, I have never encountered such a notification. Do you now want to try and boot the server ?
[19:59] <jhag2> anyone wanna help me solve my printing problem
[20:00] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Dan, Not sure there I have messed with the pepper flash in firefox but not with chromium, I found though that the ubuntu reps flash version was just fine. Thanks for using my nick, you just want it correct to notify me you are pinging me, you can tab complete nicks, tyoe a few first letters than hit the tab key. ;)
[20:00] <n00buntu> thanks for the reply zykotick9!
[20:00] <newmember> Bashing-om: sure
[20:00] <wilee-nilee> repos*
[20:00] <cooljvc>  Just installed a theme (http://mokaproject.com/moka-gtk-theme/) but the menu bar doesnt look the same. Mine is slim and black just like the default theme instead of how the one I installed looks like... Anyone knows what's going on or how to fix it ?
[20:00] <jhag2> i know everyone looves to solve printer problems
[20:01] <newmember> Bashing-om: booting with recovery mode option
[20:01] <wilee-nilee> jhag2, I would rather have my teeth pulled. ;)
[20:01] <jhag2> hahahahah same here.. that and network troubleshooting
 printer's are magical! they work when you don't need them... but when you are in a hurry... Oh boy! it's on!
[20:01] <wilee-nilee> lol true
[20:01] <Bashing-om> newmember: Let's look at what we have to work with. Boot the liveDVD -> try ubuntu mode -> terminal command: sudo fdisk -lu ; to se what we are working with and try and identify the /boot partition and '/'. Then see about booting the server up.
[20:01] <jhag2> i mean... somebody can remote in and have fun fixing printer problems
[20:02] <dbugger> Hi guys. I have installed "msmtp" and I want to configure it, but I cant find any seemingly related file on /etc/. Where is the system-wide config file?
[20:02] <jhag2> i been working with cups and hplip
[20:02] <jhag2> and i have been able to find the printer and install everything
[20:03] <jhag2> but when i go to print something it shows on the printer but does not actually print
[20:03] <newmember> Bashing-om: A few error on the screen.   mount:  mounting  /sys  on /root/sys failed: No such file or directory
[20:03] <jhag2> i just dont understand why it sees the printer but does not actually print
[20:03] <cooljvc> So can anyone help me with the theme stuff ?
[20:03] <cooljvc>  Just installed a theme (http://mokaproject.com/moka-gtk-theme/) but the menu bar doesnt look the same. Mine is slim and black just like the default theme instead of how the one I installed looks like... Anyone knows what's going on or how to fix it ?
[20:03] <newmember> Bashing-om:  I am at a prompt called:    (initramfs)
[20:04] <Bashing-om> newmember: Do you have on-hand a liveDVD/USB ? such that we can boot up a Operating System to look at the server install ???
[20:05] <newmember> Bashing-om: which liveCD do you prefer?
[20:05] <newmember> Bashing-om: or LiveDVD
[20:05] <Jonii_> Hey, how easy is it to upgrade 12.4 to 14.4?
[20:05] <Bashing-om> newmember: I suggest the version to match what is installed to the server .
[20:06] <Jonii_> I'm planning on using standard installation USB stick and hope installation lets me preserve some of my settings(I'm also jumping from 32bit system to 64bit), but I'm not too hopeful
[20:07] <wilee-nilee> Jonii_, That is a fresh install.
[20:07] <bobRoss> dbugger: im tinkering with msmtp too. should be in ~/.msmtprc
[20:07] <Bashing-om> Jonii_: Hey, that is not going to happen. Back up your data and settings ! .. a rewrite to 64 bit OS will wipe out all old data .
[20:08] <bobRoss> dbugger: that is where I put my config
[20:09] <cooljvc> http://www.webupd8.org/2014/05/spice-up-your-linux-desktop-with-moka.html
[20:09] <cooljvc> Ok, answering myself
[20:09] <cooljvc> It maybe because the GTK thing is different version
[20:09] <cooljvc> and not backwards compatible ... mmmmm
[20:09] <Gabriel_UwU> Hello
[20:10] <newmember> Bashing-om:  I have booted to the U12.04 install DVD and have the options Install, test memory, boot form hard disk, rescue a broken system.   Not really the Live DVD we are looking for
[20:10] <Gabriel_UwU> I am having issues with ubuntu, First I try to log in and it comes up to the normal screen and I log in, then boom It opens up but all i see is the background and the pointer?
[20:10] <bobRoss> dbugger: this is the ref i used setting up https://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/wiki/MSMPTQuickStart
[20:10] <Gabriel_UwU> I use 14.04 LTS
[20:11] <cooljvc> Ok, not a GTK thing... looking for some other cause
[20:11] <Jonii_> Bashing-om: yeah, I was afraid that would happen :/
[20:12] <Jonii_> Bashing-om: but I think pretty much everything I have is in a cloud, so whatevs
[20:12] <wilee-nilee> Gabriel_UwU, Try a safe x from recovery or a nomodeset boot.
[20:12] <Gabriel_UwU> How may I do that :/
[20:12] <wilee-nilee> !nomodeset | Gabriel_UwU
[20:13] <wilee-nilee> Gabriel_UwU, This is basically a low graphic boot to maybe get the dektop so you can update/upgrade and check the additional drivers tab in software sources, if the graphic driver is te issue.
[20:13] <jhag2> poor me... no one wants to help fix my printer sorrows @.@
[20:14] <Gabriel_UwU> It was working before sadly @.@
[20:14] <Gabriel_UwU> I dont think its a graphical issue
[20:14] <Gabriel_UwU> it had been working for about a few days or so
[20:14] <wilee-nilee> Gabriel_UwU, And what happened? Were you using the proprietary drivers?
[20:15] <wilee-nilee> Gabriel_UwU, Note that I am prefacing you with your nick.
[20:15] <holstein> jhag2: ? just ask..
[20:15] <Gabriel_UwU> Yes. What happened Is it froze today for a bit, It wouldnt let me do anything, So I turned it off. It takes me to the normal ubuntu log in screen, But When I log in It just shows the wallpaper and the pointer.
[20:15] <Bashing-om> newmember: Looks like it is the server/alternate CD .. I am looking at haing to (RE-)install grub, and for that ( and to look at the install) we must have a live desktop version. As the server is booting to initramfs, can not find the boot code.
[20:16] <Bashing-om> having*
[20:16] <holstein> jhag2: this is not the remote support channel. you have to get involved with the process.. did you get your wifi working?
[20:16] <newmember> Bashing-om: I have asked to have the LiveDVD added to the SAN.  Just waiting for the upload to be finsihed
[20:16] <Gabriel_UwU> I think this is a bug or something x_x
[20:16] <jhag2> yes thank you for that
[20:17] <holstein> jhag2: i usually just force different drivers from the default list that are around the same model #.. i just use the printer gui.. what are you using? what printer do you have?
[20:17] <wilee-nilee> Gabriel_UwU, Bro multiple posts and virtually nothing to work with, do you really want help?
[20:17] <Gabriel_UwU> I do
[20:17] <Bashing-om> Jonii_: In that case, I suggest ya double check you have all you want saved from the current install, and do a clean install of the 64 bit OS ( ya got 4 Gigs of ram to make it worth while ??).
[20:17] <Gabriel_UwU> it looks like this http://askubuntu.com/questions/17381/unity-doesnt-load-no-launcher-no-dash-appears
[20:17] <Gabriel_UwU> The first screenshot.
[20:18] <jhag2> well i used hplip and i went through the set up and it says its found and set it up
[20:18] <Gabriel_UwU> Is accurate as to what happened.
[20:18] <holstein> jhag2: ok. go back and look at when you said "it", and do your best to name those
[20:18] <jhag2> but when i print it doesnt print, i then look at cups and it says the print job is completed @.@
[20:18] <wilee-nilee> Gabriel_UwU, might help to read this. https://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc
[20:18] <holstein> when you print "it"?
[20:18] <jhag2> hahaha sorry
[20:18] <holstein> when you print what? a test page? a document?
[20:19] <holstein> has the printer ever worked with linux before? what printer is it?
[20:19] <jhag2> i was saying hplip found the printer and set it up after i went through the set up process
[20:19] <jhag2> the printer is hp envy 4500
[20:19] <jhag2> i think im a pain in the butt on here
[20:20] <wilee-nilee> Gabriel_UwU, That ink has a lot to work with have you tried any of them?
[20:20] <wilee-nilee> link*
[20:20] <holstein> jhag2: ? thats what the channel is for.. just stop asking for volunteers to remote in via teamviewer.. that is something you shouldnt allow to just anyone...
[20:20] <holstein> !printing
[20:20] <Gabriel_UwU> I havent, Im sorry about this. I will try to use those.
[20:21] <holstein> jhag2: do you see the printer listed in the printer GUI?
[20:21] <Gabriel_UwU> I barely gave you any information to work with wich is very rude, My apologies.
[20:21] <sydney> jhag2: No you are not'a pain in the butt',i just don know how to answer you. :D
[20:21] <wilee-nilee> Gabriel_UwU,  No biggie, the irc is a learned skill to some extent.
[20:21] <jhag2> and yes i see it in the default printer gui
[20:21] <Gabriel_UwU> I shall try it then I will be back to tell you if it works.
[20:22] <holstein> jhag2: ok. try removing it, and go back in and add another one.. try adding via the GUI and try printing a test page
[20:22] <holstein> jhag2: is the printer connected via USB?
[20:22] <wilee-nilee> Gabriel_UwU, Cool we want to help, and not see you drug around with tons of questions and mediocre answers is all. ;)
[20:22] <jhag2> everything seems to be set up. When i go to print, the printer does not actually print, the printer will show that its loading the print job but nothing prints
[20:22] <jhag2> im printing via wifi
[20:23] <holstein> jhag2: connect the printer via USB,a nd get the printer working that way first
[20:24] <jhag2> via usb it does the same thing, printer screen flashes when I go to print
[20:25] <holstein> jhag2: after plugging the unit in, via usb, please remove the printer (unistall/delete) using the gui, then, go through the add wizard again, and test
[20:25] <jhag2> im currently doing that
[20:26] <jhag2> successssss
[20:26] <jhag2> printer is printing via usb
[20:26] <holstein> jhag2: ok. so, consider just using it like that, for now..
[20:27] <jhag2> hahaha
[20:27] <holstein> otherwise, the process will be similar.. trial and error.. etc
[20:28] <holstein> jhag2: i'll set static ip's either on the specific hardware, or reserved by the router im using, and then, configure each machine with that ip for the printer, using whatevrer driver i find works best
[20:29] <holstein> jhag2: think about it this way. when you started using windows, you didnt sit down in one afternoon, install windows, and start accessing wifi, and printing wirelessly... try and be patient with yourself, and the technology, which doenst officially promise you linux support.. that can be challenging
[20:30] <NthDegree> scan to PC won't work
[20:30] <NthDegree> but the other way round will work
[20:31] <holstein> NthDegree: you mean, scan to PC function on a scanner/printer? its likely expecting/requiring client software that may not be availble on linux
[20:32] <NthDegree> holstein, yep, as far as I know that's all that will fail on most gear these days :D
[20:32] <holstein> fail? i dont see that as a failure.. its more of a lack of support..
[20:39] <Dr_Dan> Is there a scan 'client'  for HP 'all-in-one' printer/scanners?
[20:40] <kittykitty> anyone know why the screen dims even with dimming turned off on an acer aspire 5750 (intel) with the acpi_backlight="vendor" used in the kernel?
[20:42] <SchrodingersScat> !info sane | Dr_Dan
[20:44] <kittykitty> any ideas?
[20:44] <Dr_Dan> Ok. So Sane should support the 'Scanner to PC' functionality?
[20:45] <Gabriel_UwU> I have to gp
[20:45] <Gabriel_UwU> go*
[20:45] <Dr_Dan> kittykitty: sounds like the hardware is doing the dimming.  Check BIOS settings?
[20:45] <kittykitty> windows doesnt do it though and its a laptop... there isnt much in the bio
[20:45] <kittykitty> *bios
[20:46] <kittykitty> it takes about 3 seconds to dim
[20:46] <Dr_Dan> Hmm.  (Thinking)
[20:47] <kittykitty> also, the hardware keys are no longer working for screen brightness...
[20:48] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Dan, try simple scan as well, generic but quite usable.
[20:49] <wilee-nilee> gotta reboot Dr_Dan if you have more questions be right back
[20:51] <kittykitty> use acpi.brightness_switch_enabled=0  ?
[20:52] <CalimeroTeknik> where is the log when a service starts?
[20:52] <CalimeroTeknik> it doesn't appear in the terminal :x
[20:52] <CalimeroTeknik>  * The PostgreSQL server failed to start. Please check the log output.
[20:52] <CalimeroTeknik> where is the log ?
[20:53] <Erdrick> Hi, is Holstein still around?
[20:55] <Dr_Dan> wilee-nilee: thanks.
[20:56] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Dan, No problem xsane can be an insane setup.
[20:57] <miraiE> hi, anyone here?
[20:58] <bekks> miraiE: According to "/names" this is the channel with the most visitors on Freenode :)
[20:58] <cyzz> sure...
[20:58] <Erdrick> Hi, I've been trying to install Ubuntu TO a USB stick (not from the USB stick). First I tried a LiveUSB ("Try Ubuntu without installing") but that wouldn't boot Ubuntu, just go blank after selecting the option. I then tried to install from DVD, but it won't do anything in Legacy mode. Turning CSM off breaks my windows installation until I turn it back on. I don't know what to do, please help?
[20:58] <skinux> Where does u1_downloader save all files to??
[20:59] <wilee-nilee> Erdrick, Must be a W8 dualboot?
[20:59] <miraiE> bekks: wow, great!
[20:59] <Erdrick> u1_downloader? I don't know what you mean. I created my USB stick using PenDriveLinux from the 14.04 ISO.
[20:59] <Erdrick> Windows 7
[20:59] <Erdrick> But it's on UEFI from factory install.
[21:00] <wilee-nilee> Erdrick, YOu mention legacy boot this a uefi bios?
[21:00] <Erdrick> Yes it's UEFI.
[21:00] <wilee-nilee> doh you answered you have looked at the uefi wiki Erdrick
[21:00] <linuxthe1ish> hi, why is boot repair bugged?
[21:00] <linuxthe1ish> File system repair requires to unmount partitions
[21:01] <cyzz> TO usbstick could be tricky
[21:01] <Erdrick> Computer model is Alienware X51 with bios revision A08... Do you mean this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI ?
[21:01] <holstein> linuxthe1ish: you'll want to use a live system to do that
[21:01] <linuxthe1ish> i am on a live system
[21:01] <linuxthe1ish> and i've tried unmounting via gparted
[21:01] <miraiE> btw, how to apply apt-get option into apt.conf? I'm able to pass the option -o apt::architecture=i386
[21:01] <wilee-nilee> Erdrick, yes, no evidence there of the boot options to try?
[21:01] <holstein> !mount
[21:01] <cyzz> you have to put some drivers into the kernel as buildin
[21:01] <holstein> linuxthe1ish: close gparted..
[21:02] <wilee-nilee> !who | cyzz
[21:02] <martin__> hi. is it possbile to remove the full disk encryption afterwards?
[21:03] <Erdrick> I've tried booting in UEFI with CSM turned on, UEFI w/out CSM, and Legacy.
[21:03] <holstein> martin__: check out http://askubuntu.com/questions/245112/can-i-disable-full-disk-encryption
[21:03] <cyzz> :)
[21:03] <wilee-nilee> Erdrick, note that I preface my posts to you with your nick. Take a look here. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[21:03] <cyzz> ...becomes confusing
[21:03] <NthDegree> unless Linux now supports TPM-based decryption allowing even /boot to be encrypted.... why bother with FDE?
[21:05] <Erdrick> wilee-nilee Legacy seems to recognize the DVD but just shows "Error 100 unable to read sector XXXXXX" multiple times then reboots to do the same thing.
[21:06] <holstein> Erdrick: you will want the option that allows you to boot, and install operating systems.. likely legacy mode.. then, is the error ou are seeing due to the stick being bad? or the iso? a quick test would be, boot the stick on other hardware known to boot usb sticks.. otherwise, you may be assuming
[21:06] <wilee-nilee> Erdrick, Bummer, like most here we know nothing of this uefi stuff, there are a few that do and a couple at the ubuntu forums focused on these dual boots
[21:06] <wilee-nilee> we=I
[21:07] <miraiE> I have tried put `Host-Architecture "i386"` in the APT -> Get section of apt.conf, but not successful
[21:07] <Eva21>  Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bitly.com/1iXkwsf
[21:07] <moghingold> I need support with Ubuntu not preserving my mdadm arrays on boot
[21:07] <wilee-nilee> !ops | Eva21
[21:08] <moghingold> It's not just that I need to reassemble /dev/md0, it's that mdadm --detail --scan doesn't even FIND /dev/md0 anymore
[21:08] <moghingold> it still exists in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, but that seems to get me nowhere
[21:08] <moghingold> I need help from someone who understands exactly how mdadm and ubuntu interact with one another, so I can get my array back and keep it between sessions
[21:09] <cyzz> moghingold: any changes last days?
[21:09] <moghingold> None
[21:09] <Erdrick> Holstein: I am unable to run an install, from DVD or USB. When I boot in Legacy from USB I get the Ubuntu menu (try/install/etc.) but selecting any option causes the screen to go black and hang. I can't get to the menu even from DVD.
[21:09] <Erdrick> Holstein: this is with both 14.04 and 12.04
[21:10] <holstein> Erdrick: i say, do the legacy option and try..
[21:10] <holstein> !nomodeset
[21:10] <moghingold> I created the array, I made a file-system on it, I waited until cat /proc/mdstat said it was finished building, I added its UUID from blkid to my /etc/fstab, I rebooted, and POOF
[21:10] <moghingold> a hot slice of nothing
[21:10] <holstein> Erdrick: have you tried nomodeset?
[21:10] <Erdrick> OK.
[21:10] <Erdrick> I'm going to do that now,
[21:11] <moghingold> more accurately, I was told that ubuntu couldn't find the disk or device for the mount point I specified, and that I could press 's' to skip or 'm' to attempt manual recovery
[21:11] <moghingold> with both options converging on said hot slice
[21:11] <bekks> moghingold: Can you pastebin your mdadm.conf?
[21:12] <cyzz> right..
[21:12] <bekks> moghingold: And can you pastebin your current output of "cat /proc/mdstat" as well?
[21:12] <moghingold> sure thing to both. please hold.
[21:12] <Erdrick> Holstein: I am recreating my Ubuntu USB stick with PenDriveLinux. This will take a few minutes.
[21:13] <moghingold> mdadm.conf: http://pastebin.com/RgybdfzA
[21:14] <moghingold> output of cat /proc/mdstat: http://pastebin.com/juSaewN9
[21:15] <linuxthe1ish> stupid boot-repair is still saying "Filesystem repair requires to unmount partitions"
[21:15] <linuxthe1ish> and it IS unmounted
[21:16] <holstein> linuxthe1ish: boot repair is for boot repair.. not filesystem repair
[21:16] <holstein> !fsck
[21:16] <bekks> moghingold: can you pastebin sudo fdisk -l too please?
[21:16] <linuxthe1ish> holstein: i don't want filesystem repair
[21:16] <linuxthe1ish> i just want grub back
[21:17] <bekks> linuxthe1ish: you cant repair grub on a corrupted filesystem.
[21:17] <linuxthe1ish> it's not corrupt
[21:17] <moghingold> output of fdisk -l: http://pastebin.com/JN6dAsWM
[21:17] <bekks> linuxthe1ish: the message you posted says it is.
[21:18] <moghingold> let me know if that works, I just did fdisk -l > tmp.txt, then copied those contents into the pastebin. it was rather long, and the .txt didn't catch the stderr output.
[21:18] <bekks> moghingold: yeah it works.
[21:18] <moghingold> k, good
[21:18] <wilee-nilee> linuxthe1ish, Try supergrub if it is not corrupted it should boot and you can fix from the desktop.
[21:19] <wilee-nilee> likely corrupted though
[21:20] <miraiE> i think my question is not clear, right.. so, I have 64 bit of Ubuntu. I run apt-get -o apt::architecture=i386 install package. and I want to add the option to /etc/apt/apt.conf, so that I needn't give the option everytime I install packages. man apt.conf doesn't give enlightenment for me
[21:21] <linuxthe1ish> i've run check on it from within gparted...
[21:21] <linuxthe1ish> but when i open gparted again it's mounted!
[21:21] <linuxthe1ish> like i wait 5 mins and ubuntu mounts it again...
[21:22] <bekks> miraiE: By default, a 64bit Ubuntu installs 64bit packages. You have to manually specify when you want to install 32bit packages (which there is no reason for, most likely). :)
[21:25] <wilee-nilee> linuxthe1ish, boot with this http://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/ at desktop open the terminal and reload grub, if msdos 'sudo grub-install /dev/sdX   X is the HD no partition than sudo update-grub
[21:26] <miraiE> bekks: I need some 32 bit packages to install
[21:26]  * Dr_Dan think 9 drives of 3TB is excessive.   Lol.
[21:27] <bekks> miraiE: so specify that on the command line then.
[21:27] <wilee-nilee> the library of congress would fit on that
[21:27] <miraiE> bekks: okay, I'll try
[21:29] <moghingold> Dr_Dan: 8 drives of 3TB and a 32GB for booting from haha
[21:29] <moghingold> I'm trying to put the 8 drives into a software RAID 6
[21:30] <moghingold> I don't understand what is going wrong that's causing ubuntu to not even acknowledge the existence of the array between sessions
[21:31] <cristian_c> Hi
[21:31] <cristian_c> How can I draw arrows in mtpaint?
[21:31] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[21:32] <cristian_c> I've tried with 'A' and 'S' but it's not working
[21:32] <holstein> copy paste them in..
[21:32] <miraiE> okay, my problem has been solved :), thanks
[21:32] <cristian_c> holstein, I don't understand
[21:33] <holstein> cristian_c: copy paste one in, and use it http://cdn-0.freeclipartnow.com/d/40220-1/arrow-blue-outline-right.jpg
[21:33] <moghingold> cristian_c are you using the straight line tool?
[21:33] <cristian_c> holstein, not these
[21:33] <cristian_c> moghingold, yes
[21:33] <holstein> cristian_c: ok.. choose another type, and paste it in.. or carefully make what you like
[21:33] <moghingold> according to the documentation i'm reading, the 'A' and 'S' keys only draw arrow heads when you put them at the end of a straight line
[21:33] <cristian_c> moghingold, I can draw straight lines
[21:34] <cristian_c> holstein, ?
[21:34] <moghingold> cristian_c: Forgive me, I've never used the program, I'm just reading the documentation
[21:34] <cristian_c> holstein, I should draw them
[21:34] <cristian_c> moghingold, I've read the documentation, too :)
[21:34] <moghingold> The documentation isn't clear on when you're supposed to press or hold the key...
[21:34] <holstein> cristian_c: draw them if you like.. id zoom in and carefully make one. assuming i didnt find a free image online to use and copy paste
[21:35] <moghingold> Have you tried holding it down before you draw the line?
[21:35] <cristian_c> moghingold, yeah, exactly :)
[21:35] <holstein> http://www.maketecheasier.com/draw-arrows-in-gimp/
[21:35] <cristian_c> holstein, eh, but I must draw and I can't use the tool
[21:36] <cristian_c> holstein, not gimp
[21:36] <moghingold> holstein: I think cristian_c is using a program specifically for pixel art, so copy/pasting isn't a workable solution in this case
[21:36] <newmember> Bashing-om: Sorry for the delay.  I have ubuntu desktop uploaded and I have booted to it.
[21:37] <cristian_c> moghingold, I've tried to hold the keys pressed, but so the straight line isn't working
[21:37] <cristian_c> this breaks all
[21:37] <holstein> should be able to save the work in gimp, easily, and bring it over
[21:37] <moghingold> odd
[21:37] <holstein> or, do the pixel art project there in the more well supported gimp applciation
[21:37] <cristian_c> moghingold, if I found the right arrow, I'd do it
[21:37] <cristian_c> :)
[21:38] <cristian_c> lol
[21:38] <moghingold> does anyone have any follow-up on the issue i'm experiencing with mdadm?
[21:38] <cristian_c> moghingold, if you want, you can try, if you don't trust me :)
[21:38] <cristian_c> *believo to
[21:38] <cristian_c> *e
[21:39] <cristian_c> moghingold, what issue with mdadm?
[21:39] <cristian_c> raid
[21:39] <moghingold> cristian_c: I made a raid6 array, put a filesystem on it, waited patiently for the filesystem to build, added its UUID to my fstab, rebooted, and it vanished
[21:39] <Bashing-om> newmember: Back in bussiness ! .. ok pastebinit -> sudo fdisk -lu <- from tht liveDVD and let's see what we have to work with/to.
[21:40] <moghingold> not "vanished" as in "needed to be reassmebled"
[21:40] <holstein> cristian_c: how about.. "Select the straight line tool from the toolbar, Left click and release where you want the line to start, Move the pointer to where you want the line to end and left click" does that work? or no?
[21:40] <linuxthe2ish> how do i write ISO to usb disk so i can boot it?
[21:40] <moghingold> "vanished" as in "/etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf is the only place in the entire machine that seems to acknowledge the existence of /dev/md0"
[21:40] <linuxthe2ish> unetbootin isn't listing my usb drive...
[21:40] <cirizzo> cirizzo
[21:40] <natas> i was trying to remove the lubuntu login screen and somehow hosed my linux, now it doesn't boot, any thoughts BESIDES reformatting?
[21:40] <cirizzo> ciao
[21:40] <natas> logs, anything i can look at?
[21:40] <cirizzo> !list
[21:41] <cristian_c> moghingold, I know raid is seen as one disk, also if are two or more disks
[21:41] <newmember> http://picpaste.com/1-7Mi1nPpn.JPG
[21:42] <newmember> Bashing-om: http://picpaste.com/1-7Mi1nPpn.JPG
[21:42] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: if its not a usb stick, you likely have to click or check the box that states (show all drives)
[21:42] <Bashing-om> newmember: look'n at /1-7Mi1nPpn.JPG .
[21:42] <cristian_c> holstein, that is 'straight line'
[21:42] <cristian_c> holstein, I refer about arrows
[21:43] <holstein> cristian_c: sure. so, is the straight line tool working? or not?
[21:43] <linuxthe2ish> holstein: it's got some stupid partition thing on the usb drive
[21:43] <linuxthe2ish> argh partitioning in linux is so confusing
[21:43] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: partitioning is not specific to linux at all
[21:43] <linuxthe2ish> on windows you just create partition and done :/
[21:43] <linuxthe2ish> on linux he goes all funnyt
[21:44] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: if its a usb drive, you'll need to ask unetbootin to allow use of it, by checking the box i referenced
[21:44] <dj> Need help compiling a .so file
[21:44] <cristian_c> holstein, yeah, it's working
[21:44] <moghingold> cristian_c: so, i am able to get the arrow head to appear by pressing the 'a' or 's' key at the end point of the line, it's just a very, very tiny arrow-head
[21:44] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: this is *not* a linux issue, friend.. you can have issues with any partitioning system..
[21:44] <moghingold> and a rounded off one at that
[21:44] <cristian_c> moghingold, :O
[21:44] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: did you check the box to allow the application to use the drive you are trying to force it to use?
[21:45] <dj> I need help making a so file, anyone please?
[21:45] <linuxthe2ish> holstein: there is no box :S
[21:45] <cristian_c> moghingold, I try immediately
[21:45] <cristian_c> to check
[21:45] <moghingold> i only noticed it when i made the size of the line very thick, like 30
[21:45] <linuxthe2ish> and in the hard drive list it just has "/"
[21:45] <moghingold> left click at a start point, drag to an enpoint, press 'a' or 's', then right click to finish the line
[21:45] <moghingold> do the same thing, but left-click instead of hitting 'a' or 's', then right click
[21:46] <moghingold> you will see a subtle, disappointingly small difference
[21:46] <m1dnight__> hey guys, how can I get the context menus for dejadup like in ubuntu?
[21:46] <m1dnight__> (e.g., restore to previous version)
[21:47] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: you see the "show all drives" box? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Unetbootin_on_Ubuntu.png
[21:47] <cristian_c> uhm
[21:47] <dj> I need help making a so file, anyone please?
[21:48] <cristian_c> I try
[21:48] <moghingold> cristian_c: it's easier to tell if you make the lines straight
[21:48] <moghingold> like, 90 degree angles
[21:48] <cristian_c> lol
[21:48] <Bashing-om> newmember: try: From the liveDVD -> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt , sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda , sudo umount /mnt // reboot into the install, in the install run -> sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda <- .
[21:48] <moghingold> like i said, it's a very disappointing arrow head, as far as arrow heads go
[21:48] <linuxthe2ish> holstein: i don't have that box :S
[21:49] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: ok.. how about another tool then? maybe the pendrivelinux one?
[21:49] <linuxthe2ish> the startup disk creator you can't even select an iso
[21:49] <linuxthe2ish> it just dosnb't do anything :S
[21:50] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: how about the pendrive linux tool?
[21:50] <Trel> What do I need to do to have UFW allowed to be modified by any user and not just elevated users?
[21:50] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: could be soemthing with the system youa re working with.. maybe a corruption in it..
[21:50] <linuxthe2ish> holstein: i'm using my working linux PC right now to try and fix dead one :(
[21:51] <linuxthe2ish> i'll try some other programs, thanks for your help
[21:51] <crontab13> holstein: What problem are you dealing with?
[21:51] <holstein> crontab13: just as they come...
[21:52] <crontab13> holstein: lol, I see
[21:52] <moghingold> should I assume that nobody knows what ubuntu and/or mdadm are doing wrong?
[21:52] <cristian_c> moghingold, I know there is a gui to manage mdadm
[21:53] <cristian_c> moghingold, I've tried your steps but I can't draw the arrows
[21:53] <cristian_c> :(
[21:53] <cristian_c> I can't see the arrows
[21:53] <holstein> crontab13: have you tried the gimp? there is an arrow tool in the menu
[21:53] <holstein> crontab13: sorry.. cristian_c ^
[21:54] <crontab13> :holstein sorry, never have
[21:55] <linuxthe2ish> yey i just used dd lol
[21:55] <Trel> Is that possible to do with UFW?
[21:55] <cristian_c> moghingold, ok, I've understood how to do
[21:55] <cristian_c> I've made exercise
[21:55] <cristian_c> XD
[21:56] <crontab13> I'm trying to set up double monitors but get a 'RANDR extension not present' error. I have AMD/ATI Cayman video card would installing ATI Catalyst solve the issue?
[21:56] <linuxthe2ish> so i have to use this super-grub disk to boot my pc every time holstein ? :/
[21:57] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: if you have a damaged system, its more like you "get" to use that disk, rather than it failing..
[21:57] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: i would have to troubleshoot the system.. but, i would try boot repair, and go from there.. with by data backed up incase of any failure
[21:58] <cristian_c> moghingold, thanks :)
[21:58] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: what do you mean, to boot your pc everytime? i suggest you boot into a live environment, not into the system disk
[21:58] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: you'll want to be running the live environment, from the live CD/usb/DVD.. not booted into the operating system disk
[21:59] <Jonii_> I haven't booted my computer to Windows to do anything for years now. I'm still scared to remove it from my computer :3
[21:59] <moghingold> cristian_c: np
[21:59] <miguelbarboza> hello
[21:59] <linuxthe2ish> holstein there is nothing wrong with the disk :(
[21:59] <linuxthe2ish> i installed windows, removed it and resized the ubuntu partition to fill the disk
[21:59] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: ? i miss where i stated there was anything wrong.. i did see a few errors where you said there were
[21:59] <Hxxx> what is the command to load mdadm drivers? to see software raid partitions?
[22:00] <cristian_c> moghingold, :)
[22:00] <Hxxx> lime d0 md1
[22:00] <linuxthe2ish> i can't use live enviroment as he dosn't have my documents :(
[22:00] <Jonii_> Does anyone know if Ubuntu 14.4 has better power management than 12.4?
[22:00] <Hxxx> md0 md1
[22:00] <Hxxx> like*
[22:00] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: in any scneario where im resizing partitions, i have my data backed up.. i have only lost a few partitions, and it was *always* from resizing like that
[22:00] <moghingold> does anyone know what could cause ubuntu not to recognize an md device specified in mdadm.conf between sessions?
[22:00] <newmember> Bashing-om: it booted to a grub prompt
[22:01] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: the live environment is what you use to do what you are trying to do, though. thats why you are having issues.. you boot the live CD and repair grub, and the file system. thats why you cant unmount, and are having isssues
[22:01] <Jonii_> 12.4 drained my laptop battery twice as fast, and it reliably crashed if I had less than 2h time remaining on battery, meaning my laptop had max 2h instead of 8h worth of battery, using 12.4
[22:01] <moghingold> i made and tested a software raid6, but then on my next boot i got a message that the device or disk for its mount point could not be found
[22:01] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: you would be able to mount the hard drive with your data from there, if need be, and backup what you like
[22:01] <Jonii_> Should I expect 14.4 do better in this respect?
[22:01] <moghingold> manual recovery got me nowhere, cat /proc/mdstat doesn't even list the device anymore, mdadm --details --scan doesn't find it
[22:01] <moghingold> nothing
[22:02] <linuxthe2ish> holstein but that linux looks to be working fine :(
[22:02] <linuxthe2ish> it's just stupid grub!
[22:02] <moghingold> i really don't want to remake it if this is just going to happen again. this is already the second time.
[22:02] <holstein> Jonii_: not unless the creator of the hardare specifically stated they were supporting 14.04.. but, its worth trying
[22:02] <daftykins> Jonii_: had you implemented any laptop power management actions?
[22:02] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: please, boot the live environment, *not* the hard drive,a nd try the boot repair.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[22:02] <Jonii_> daftykins: like?
[22:03] <cristian_c> moghingold, wait
[22:03] <Jonii_> daftykins: from what I inquired, every real way to improve performance would include recompiling the kernel
[22:03] <daftykins> Jonii_: in the past i've read of some laptop utils package or similar
[22:03] <cristian_c> moghingold, is there a log about mdadm?
[22:03] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: grub as worked "as advertised" in your situation.. you installed it, it worked, and you removed it..
[22:03] <cristian_c> moghingold, in /var/log
[22:04] <linuxthe2ish> holstein i needed windows to use :S
[22:04] <Jonii_> But I heard rumors that 14.4 would have some of the stuff I on 12.4 would've needed recompiling to do, come right out of the box
[22:04] <linuxthe2ish> now i can't reinstall grub again!
[22:04] <Bashing-om> newmember: Disappointing but not totally bad. from that grub prompt -> linux (hd0,msdos1)/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro , initrd (hd0,msdos1)/initrd.img , boot <- . do you now boot into the server ?
[22:04] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: thats fine.. but, you removed grub.. grub didnt break, or do anything other than promised.. please boot a live CD, *not* the hard drive, and repair grub https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[22:06] <moghingold> cristian_c: no
[22:06] <newmember> Bashing-om:  linux (hd0,msdos1)/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro
[22:07] <newmember> Bashing-om: error: file not found.
[22:08] <linuxthe2ish> holstein i tried that and some bug :S
[22:08] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: what bug? what specifically? it works as advertised here.. what bug 3?
[22:08] <holstein> #:
[22:08] <cristian_c> moghingold, ok, try to see the dmesg
[22:09] <cristian_c> :)
[22:10] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: what bug, friend? what bug did you encounter when booting the live CD and trying https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair ?
[22:11] <moghingold> bekks et al: i am going afk
[22:11] <linuxthe2ish> holstein he say i need unmount :S
[22:11] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: sure.. but thats because you are booted into the disk. try from a live environment, please.. *not* the system disk
[22:12] <Bashing-om> newmember: UNgood !// OK back to the liveDVD and let's find out why .-> sudo mkdir mnt/work , sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/work <-; pastebin -> ls -la /mnt/work/ , ls -la /mnt/work/boot . See what that tells us about the kernels and locations. Remenber to UNmount the file system when done -> sudo umount /mnt/work .
[22:12] <akurilin> Quick question: anybody here using a project with their Ubuntu box?
[22:12] <holstein> akurilin: using a project?
[22:12] <akurilin> projector, sorry
[22:13] <holstein> i have. many times and meeting
[22:13] <holstein> meetings*
[22:13] <akurilin> What about something like home use?
[22:13] <holstein> not always the same unit.. basically the same idea as another monitor
[22:13] <holstein> akurilin: it literally makes no difference if you are at home or in the driveway, or space.. the machine either works with it or not
[22:13] <akurilin> Fair enough. So you just need to drag out a dvi/vga cable to the projector and treat it just like another monitor huh?
[22:14] <akurilin> holstein: lol
[22:14] <holstein> akurilin: you connect to it via its connections.. if thats vga and/or hdmi, then sure
[22:14] <holstein> akurilin: there are some wireless options, but i dont know how those work with linux..
[22:14] <akurilin> holstein: if you don't mind me asking, since I've never owned one before, do projects not work very well if you have to point them at the wall at an angle?
[22:15] <akurilin> *projectors
[22:15] <holstein> akurilin: depends..
[22:15] <Bashing-om> newmember: also, while on my mind ... sda5 (LVM) is that an encrypted partition ? or an error in volume management ?
[22:15] <holstein> akurilin: some are better at that than others..
[22:16] <newmember> Bashing-om: not encrypted
[22:16] <linuxthe2ish> 23:11 < holstein> linuxthe2ish: sure.. but thats because you are booted into the disk. try from a live environment, please.. *not* the system disk
[22:16] <linuxthe2ish> noooo
[22:16] <linuxthe2ish> that's before i tried to boot from super-grub
[22:16] <linuxthe2ish> you told me to boot and check if it's corrupt :(
[22:17] <akurilin> holstein: I just managed to have my trusty set up as a bluetooth audio device, so I can already get pretty good sound through the box while watching movies on the ipad. Was thinking of somehow streaming the movie to the machine from the ipad as well
[22:17] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: ok.. just let a volunteer know if you have a support question
[22:17] <akurilin> Haven't had much luck with netflix on ubuntu
[22:18] <holstein> linuxthe2ish: i say, try repairing booting with a live CD, from a live environment.. never mentioned grub super disk, personally.. and im not really interested in what happened in the past.. if you are not running a live environment, please do so
[22:18] <holstein> !netflix
[22:18] <holstein> akurilin: nothing is preventing netflix support for linux
[22:18] <meek_geek> hi
[22:18] <holstein> akurilin: you are expecting ubuntu to support netflix, and that may not be possible all the time
[22:19] <newmember> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/embed.php?i=MG3SmgUp
[22:19] <akurilin> holstein: well I'm expecting netflix to support ubuntu at some point in the future, my dreams haven't come true yet though :) I remember reading about pipelight a while ago, never gave it a try though
[22:19] <Bashing-om> newmember:  Once more - UNGood! how come sda5 is a LVM volume - [Logical Volume Management] with only 1 participating partition makes no sense !
[22:19] <Bashing-om> newmember: Look'n at d.php?i=MG3SmgUp .
[22:20] <JCPlayzMinecraft> hi
[22:20] <JCPlayzMinecraft> any1 here
[22:20] <JCPlayzMinecraft> Hi
[22:20] <holstein> JCPlayzMinecraft: yes.. just ask if you have a question
[22:21] <mzaza> I am using Ubuntu on Laptop, power consumption is high and my laptop Sony Vaio S13 should give around 7 hours of battery life I only get around 2 to 3. Is there any optimization I should make to increase battery, I red somewhere about something called laptop mode?
[22:22] <daftykins> !info laptop-mode-tools
[22:22] <daftykins> mzaza: ^?
[22:22] <mzaza> daftykins: I tried  sudo powertop and I have lots of status bad
[22:22] <Bashing-om> newmember: "Embed Codes For Paste ID: MG3SmgUp" is what I get on that last, Is there something I am mising here ?
[22:23] <holstein> i woudnt expect magic though.. i typically find maybe 60% the battery life on hardware that is not specficallly made to support linux
[22:23] <ohrmus> do I need gufw?!
[22:23] <^v> halp, gcc cant find linux/limits.h
[22:23] <newmember> Bashing-om: my mistake:  http://pastebin.com/MG3SmgUp
[22:24] <daftykins> mzaza: install the above package and see how you get on
[22:24] <Bashing-om> newmember: Try'n again : ) ....
[22:24] <^v> http://hastebin.com/raw/xuxetikodi
[22:25] <mzaza> daftykins: I am sorry, but I don't get what packages you mean?
[22:26] <newmember> Bashing-om: I am remembering that most Ubuntu server installs default to LVM for the partitions.
[22:26] <daftykins> mzaza: "laptop-mode-tools" as i had ubottu report.
[22:26] <gpmcadam> hi, i have a server i need to upgrade from 11.04 to 14.04. i can only upgrade, no option to install from scratch. what's the best way to approach this? i've tried running `do-release-upgrade` but with no luck.
[22:27] <mzaza> daftykins: OK, I've also tuned some things via the powertop is that OK?
[22:27] <daftykins> mzaza: not sure if those would persist across reboot, but just have a play and see :)
[22:27] <daftykins> gpmcadam: have a look at the link in my following bot trigger to see how to do EOL upgrades
[22:27] <daftykins> !eol | gpmcadam
[22:28] <^v> meh, so which headers should i symlink to /usr/include
[22:28] <mzaza> daftykins: OK, if I used the Intel Video Driver would it improve battery life?
[22:28] <gpmcadam> daftykins: i did follow that guide, but there wasn't anything specifically for 11.04, and after following the guide for 11.10 to 12.04 (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Oneiric) I still get 404's when running `do-release-upgrade`
[22:29] <daftykins> mzaza: VAIO Pro 13 you said? i suspect intel graphics is all that's in that system?
[22:29] <wilee-nilee> mzaza, You are trying incremental stuff that will have hardly noticeable differences, getting a longer life battery would be a better option.
[22:29] <daftykins> gpmcadam: is the system a VPS or otherwise hosted server?
[22:30] <gpmcadam> yes, on amazon ec2
[22:30] <daftykins> gpmcadam: ah-haaaaaa, ok being ec2 is vastly different to dealing with a stock ubuntu machine afaiui
[22:31] <gpmcadam> daftykins: aside from the apt sources?
[22:32] <daftykins> gpmcadam: well, i have no direct experience to know if they're using any special sauce in there
[22:32] <mzaza> daftykins: Hybrid Graphics, I'm using Intel when on battery power.
[22:32] <mzaza> wilee-nilee: The battery is not bad when under Windows.
[22:32] <daftykins> what's the discrete?
[22:32] <gpmcadam> daftykins: ok, i'll look into it from an EC2 point of view then. thanks.
[22:33] <wilee-nilee> mzaza, Oh well since windows and linux are like  mirror images you should be set than, ; )
[22:33] <daftykins> gpmcadam: i did start to have a little google, saw mention of lovely backup image features which would be wise to do first...
[22:33] <gpmcadam> daftykins: already done! :)
[22:34] <daftykins> gpmcadam: \o/
[22:34] <Bashing-om> newmember: I have no idea how you could have got in this situation // please see my http://paste.ubuntu.com/7682286/ for comparison for what the '/' directory should look like. At this point I think we need to salvage what we can of your data and (RE-)install . Too many things not right !
[22:35] <daftykins> gpmcadam: ok i think i have a workaround, can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[22:36] <gpmcadam> daftykins: http://pastebin.com/yA5vUPSC i commented all others out when trying to do the release upgrade
[22:37] <daftykins> gpmcadam: is it my tired eyes or are 1 and 3 identical?
[22:37] <gpmcadam> yeah just noticed that, removing '-security' from #1 and trying again
[22:38]  * gpmcadam sighs in releif
[22:38] <gpmcadam> that's it
[22:38] <daftykins> :)
[22:38] <gpmcadam> thanks again daftykins
[22:38] <daftykins> gpmcadam: you should be able to get up to 11.10, then as it's LTS and still supported, you should be able to switch back to amazon repos for 12.04 then
[22:39] <gpmcadam> so, just to check then. i go from 11.04 -> 11.10, then basically run do-release-upgrade until i get to 14.04?
[22:39] <daftykins> gpmcadam: well once you're on 12.04.4, in a couple of weeks the first point release of 14.04 will come out (14.04.1) then you'll be able to officially upgrade directly from 12.04.4 -> 14.04.1
[22:40] <daftykins> gpmcadam: but in fairness, 12.04.4 is still supported for a couple of years so perhaps that'd be a comfy spot to stop
[22:40] <gpmcadam> daftykins: so i won't be able to go from 12.04 to 14.04 tonight?
[22:40] <pushpop> Anyone know of a open source client less VPN server?
[22:40] <daftykins> gpmcadam: you could if you pushed it, yeah, up to you for risk
[22:41] <daftykins> pushpop: not sure what you mean by clientless, a VPN has a server and client portion always?
[22:42] <stainedhat> pushpop.. a main mode or aggressive vpn? The only way you can have a vpn without a client is to have to hardware endpoints
[22:42] <stainedhat> *two
[22:42] <newmember> Bashing-om: hmmm I see.  I am sorry its dinner now and I have to go, I will be back in 4-5 hours.  This is only a zimbra mail server so I could build a new one.  I would loose my old emails.  Lets think about it
[22:42] <mzaza> What should I check in laptop-mode-tools :D ?
[22:42] <newmember> Bashing-om: thanks maybe chat later
[22:45] <Bashing-om> newmember: OK .. I do not mind spendin a lot of time to salvage this IF you think it worth while // I am always open to a learning experience // see what results if you mount 'sda5' from the livedvd and if you are able to access 'sda5' .
[22:47] <moghingold> I am back!
[22:47] <moghingold> Does anyone know of any general direction I should start ambling in if I am to have any hope whatsoever of fixing my problem?
[22:49] <daftykins> moghingold: you could do with stating the problem again
[22:50] <moghingold> daftykins: So, I used mdadm to create a software raid 6, and then when I rebooted not only did the raid not assemble, ubuntu didn't even remember that one existed
[22:51] <moghingold> there's no /dev/md0, mdadm --details --scan returns nothing, cat /proc/mdstat returns nothing useful, as far as i can tell the only evidence that /dev/md0 ever even ever existed is in mdadm.conf
[22:51] <moghingold> which doesn't help me at all
[22:51] <moghingold> as far as i can tell
[22:52] <daftykins> this is in an install beside said RAID disks, or in a live session?
[22:52] <Dr_Dan> Questions on PPAPI plugin pepper-flash.   The website picmonkey.com (online image editor)  will crash when you select its "text" tool.  That tool supports local fonts and server-side fonts. But if you attempt to use it, pepperflash crashes.  Works fine in FF
[22:52] <moghingold> daftykins: I have ubuntu installed on the drive my computer boots from.
[22:52] <Dr_Dan> wilee-nilee: you there?
[22:53] <moghingold> other things, like the applications I have installed, my settings/preferences, changes i've made to grub, etc, are all preserved between sessions
[22:53] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Dan, barely what's up?
[22:53] <daftykins> moghingold: ok, no experience with mdadm then here i'm afraid.
[22:53] <OerHeks> Dr_Dan, on what browser does the ppapi plugin crash ?
[22:53] <trism> Dr_Dan: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=236628
[22:53] <daftykins> pepper flash so chrome/chromium
[22:54] <Dr_Dan> Google-chrome  35
[22:54] <Dr_Dan> Chromium 35
[22:54] <OerHeks> trism +1 no ppapi support for chrome/chomium
[22:54] <Dr_Dan> Yes.  Sorry
[22:54] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Dan, looks like you have better help than me carry on. ;)
[22:55] <daftykins> don't use a broken browser \o/
[22:55] <Dr_Dan> So is it the fact that picmokey is attempting to discover what local fonts there are?
[22:57] <chrirc> hi...yesterday i booted from a usb drive and installed ubuntu 13,10 on a 10 years old pc in 20 minutes...today i tried to install that on  an intel i7 and it took more than 4 hours and at last it failed to install the bootloader...why was that???
[22:59] <daftykins> chrirc: i'd be willing to bet it was more about downloading package updates and your internet connection being slower the second time
[23:00] <chrirc> no...
[23:00] <daftykins> well that's that cleared up then :D
[23:00] <chrirc> yesterday i installed from the same exact usb
[23:00] <daftykins> right, but you understand when i say updates come over the internet?
[23:01] <chrirc> but it was the same exact version and i chose not to install updates during installation
[23:03] <daftykins> chrirc: ok, well there are a lot more variables between two different systems installing so it's very tough to say - 4hrs is a bit extreme though.
[23:04] <chrirc> and at the end why bootloader failed to be installed?
[23:04] <daftykins> describe the hardware more please
[23:05] <chrirc> its really expensive hardware.....ssd drives...intel i7 4770 gigabyte motherboard
[23:07] <daftykins> chrirc: 1. do you have a live session booted on it right now? 2. did you try to install again?
[23:08] <chrirc> now i am talking from live cd on ubuntu
[23:10] <daftykins> on this system? ok, could you open the terminal and run "sudo parted -l" then paste the output of that command to http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[23:11] <chrirc> what does this command do?
[23:12] <daftykins> chrirc: "man parted" will tell you. it'll output the disk and partition setup.
[23:18] <chrirc> i want to download the ubuntu 14.04 but how can i install that on usb drive and boot?   any alternative ways to install ubuntu without dvd drive??
[23:19] <daftykins> chrirc: i'm puzzled, you said you were in a live session a moment ago?
[23:19] <chrirc> yes
[23:20] <daftykins> so you want it to be installed to the flash drive instead of just running from it
[23:20] <chrirc> i am on live session that is on usb drive
[23:20] <holstein> !install
[23:20] <holstein> chrirc: there should be an install option in the menu from the live USB
[23:22] <chrirc> yes but on the usb drive its the ubuntu 13,10...how to install 14,04 on that usb?
[23:22] <holstein> chrirc: same way
[23:22] <rantic> Hi everyone, I installed a package from the software center but have no idea what it is actually called. Is there somewhere I can confirm this?
[23:22] <holstein> chrirc: use whatever tool you want to prepare the live USB wtih the 14.04 iso instead of the 13.10 iso
[23:22] <chrirc> but i am on live session....
[23:23] <rantic> chrirc, So?
[23:23] <daftykins> rantic: /var/log/apt/history.log
[23:24] <chrirc> how can i erase and install i usb that i use right now to be on ubuntu???
[23:24] <rantic> daftykins, This isn't very helpful  : o
[23:24] <daftykins> rantic: why not?
[23:24] <rantic> daftykins, This definitely isn't keeping track of installs through the software center
[23:24] <holstein> chrirc: do you have another usb stick?
[23:25] <chrirc> no...
[23:25] <holstein> chrirc: then, that will be challenging, since you are booting off the stick you want to change right now.. how are you going to deal with that?
[23:26] <chrirc> i have an ssd installed on this pc....?  can this help?
[23:26] <holstein> chrirc: sure.. you can download and store the new iso there.. then what?
[23:27] <holstein> chrirc: do you have another machine? *any* machine? any os?
[23:27] <Slart> rantic: this might be useful http://askubuntu.com/questions/145157/does-the-software-center-log-installations
[23:27] <rantic> chrirc, Do you have an android phone? you can boot off it easily with a program called DriveDroid
[23:28] <chrirc> no....i have only this machine with an ssd installed
[23:28] <rantic> Slart, I appreciate it but I gave up, that log file contains like 40-50 packages per every installation I just did
[23:28]  * holstein +1 on drivedroid.. handy!
[23:28] <rantic> Slart, the process of identifying the actual bin is embarassing right now
[23:28] <fernando_> any people speak spanish?
[23:28] <holstein> chrirc: then, what are you going to do? purchase another usb?
[23:28] <Slart> !es | fernando_
[23:28] <rantic> fernando_, I think most inhabitants of Spain
[23:29] <fernando_> thanks, Slart
[23:29] <Slart> rantic: ah.. might be a bit much to look through
[23:29] <chrirc> can i make the ssd bootable and boot from ssd?
[23:29] <rantic> Slart, If I knew the beginning of the name or something I'd try ... I grepped it a few times but I'm lost
[23:30] <Slart> rantic: do you remember what the program was supposed to do?
[23:30] <rantic> Slart, I've been searching for an alternative volume mixer/slider/switcher. It was an application literally entitled "Sound"
[23:30] <rantic> Slart, I assumed it was the utility from Gnome 3 with the quick device switcher
[23:31] <Slart> rantic: pulse audio volume applet thingy?
[23:31] <rantic> Slart, No I think that's pavucontrol?
[23:32] <Slart> rantic: yup
[23:32] <holstein> chrirc: sure, but you are trying to ultimately install there.. and you just were storing the iso there..
[23:32] <holstein> chrirc: you have *no* friends near with machines.. where you can take the iso and the USB stick and a tool, and make the new stick? how did you make the 13.10 stick?
[23:33] <Slart> rantic: and there's nothing in the software center history?
[23:34] <rantic> Slart, nothing clear :(
[23:35] <edition> hi. I have difficulty getting a particular file from a group of zip files, using grep...
[23:35] <edition> I backed up windows7, and I'm trying to get "GeneralUser*.sf2"
[23:39] <daftykins> edition: gre;
[23:39] <daftykins> oops
[23:39] <daftykins> edition: grep doesn't take files out of zip files 0o
[23:39] <edition> idk, i used unzip
[23:40] <chrirc> i have two ssd son that pc.....but the second is not formated so it does not appear now on the available drives......so i need to  format it ...but then how to make that ssd bootable?
[23:42] <holstein> chrirc: how did you make the 13.10 usb bootable stick?
[23:42] <chrirc> someone gave it to me
[23:42] <holstein> chrirc: you can use unetbootin to create bootable media out of any drive..
[23:42] <holstein> chrirc: ask them to make the 14.04 version for you..
[23:43] <holstein> chrirc: what you are about to do can be done, but its not easy in any way.. if you have access to a friends machine, do that
[23:45] <edition> what expression is needed for grep, to get the soundfont
[23:45] <holstein> the soundfont?
[23:45] <chrirc> why not easy....?  the usb drive can be easily bootable as i heard.....is it different to install ubuntu from ssd drive than usb drive?
[23:45] <holstein> chrirc: because you are juggling, since you dont have enough hardware to make this easy
[23:46] <edition> "GeneralUser*.sf2", from unzip to grep
[23:46] <holstein> chrirc: the usb drive *can* be booted. as i said, you can use unetbootin to make that iso boot off the ssd.. have you tried it?
[23:46] <edition> then I can extract the correct ZIP
[23:46] <holstein> chrirc: i would just go buy a usb stick
[23:47] <rantic> he can't use an android phone?
[23:47] <holstein> rantic: sure
[23:48] <holstein> chrirc: do you have an android phone? or any other usb device that can be used as a drive?
[23:49] <zend_> hello, which is the better OS to a netbook with 1.2Ghz dual core?
[23:49] <rantic> zend_, I'd vote for Crunchbang if you want something nice out of the box
[23:49] <holstein> zend_: "better" is always a matter of opinion and use case.. but, lubuntu will work well for that spec
[23:49] <holstein> !lubuntu
[23:50] <edition> what about xubuntu?
[23:50] <holstein> !xubuntu
[23:50] <zend_> thanks
[23:50] <edition> Why did they remove the desktop from gnome 3?
[23:51] <holstein> edition: they? you mean, why did the gnome team change gnome? ask them.. though, it still has a "desktop".. its just not like it was
[23:52] <edition> looks like a tablet desktop
[23:54] <zend_> Crunchbang is linux?
[23:54] <zend_> sorry i want say, is ubuntu?
[23:55] <holstein> zend_: no.. crunchbang is not supported here..
[23:55] <zend_> ok
[23:55] <holstein> http://crunchbang.org/ is where you would read about it
[23:56] <zend_> thank u
[23:56] <holstein> zend_: otherwise, you can try any/all live and see what you think.. i have used them all on that spec hardware
[23:56] <zend_> i want use it to make tests with ruby
[23:57] <zend_> i'll see more about..
[23:58] <edition> grep
[23:58] <holstein> zend_: you may not need a UI at all, but, all mentioned above have ruby support