| Taueres | Is there a meeting planned in this channel? | 14:10 |
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| SonikkuAmerica | Not that I know of, check the schedule | 14:11 |
| charlie_sanders | How can I permanetly set my displays how I have them at this moment ? I upgraded to 14.04 and lost whatever I did last time to make my Displays persist | 17:21 |
| Taueres | charlie_sanders, I'm having this problem too. I think it'is a login phase problem. If you connect the monitors after the login, your settings should be preserved | 17:29 |
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| swiss | so, when a window is on a different desktop than the active one, is X still rendering that window? | 20:46 |
| satya164 | Anyone here? | 20:47 |
| amjjawad | No, no one is here :P | 20:50 |
| amjjawad | who are you? do I know you? :P | 20:50 |
| satya164 | Yes. You do ;) | 20:50 |
| amjjawad | hahahaha | 20:50 |
| swiss | lol | 20:50 |
| swiss | does anyone know X really well? | 20:51 |
| satya164 | Who is X again? | 20:51 |
| amjjawad | who is X? | 20:52 |
| amjjawad | I know Z | 20:52 |
| satya164 | amjjawad Z for Zorro? | 20:52 |
| amjjawad | hmmm or zombie :P | 20:53 |
| satya164 | So, you know zombies! Kind of awkward... | 20:53 |
| satya164 | amjjawad when is the meeting BTW? | 20:53 |
| amjjawad | in 6 mins ;) | 20:54 |
| satya164 | Good ;) | 20:54 |
| aldomann | hey, lads | 20:55 |
| aldomann | I thought Polari would show notifications, I was wrong | 20:55 |
| amjjawad | hey hey hey | 20:55 |
| amjjawad | all the gang is here, I see | 20:55 |
| amjjawad | :P | 20:55 |
| amjjawad | I'm so bad and tired hehe | 20:56 |
| amjjawad | I have no idea how can I focus | 20:56 |
| amjjawad | I must wash my face | 20:57 |
| satya164 | And I'm chatting from my mobile ;p | 20:59 |
| stratus_ss_ | quiet in here tonight | 21:00 |
| amjjawad | satya164, make sure not to fall asleep :P | 21:00 |
| aldomann | 44 people, that's great :) | 21:00 |
| amjjawad | nuh, not all are online | 21:00 |
| satya164 | I'm great at that ;) | 21:01 |
| amjjawad | I mean, they appear online but not everyone is here I guess | 21:01 |
| amjjawad | satya164, tell me about it :D | 21:01 |
| satya164 | So, we have the same traits. lol | 21:01 |
| amjjawad | hehe | 21:01 |
| amjjawad | #chair amjjawad | 21:01 |
| amjjawad | ops, I messed up hehe | 21:02 |
| amjjawad | I'm so sleepy :D | 21:02 |
| amjjawad | okay, some slaps on the face work :D | 21:02 |
| amjjawad | any idea how can I make the font bigger here? | 21:02 |
| aldomann | try putting your face in a bowl with cold ice :P | 21:02 |
| satya164 | lol. Not my competitor. lol | 21:02 |
| amjjawad | using xchat | 21:02 |
| aldomann | no idea, I've never used it before | 21:03 |
| amjjawad | oh ok | 21:03 |
| satya164 | I did, but forgot | 21:03 |
| amjjawad | I shall start then | 21:03 |
| satya164 | Yeah | 21:03 |
| amjjawad | no worries | 21:03 |
| amjjawad | Tim is not here yet | 21:04 |
| satya164 | :( | 21:04 |
| amjjawad | #startmeeting Utopic Unicorn Roadmap for Ubuntu GNOME | 21:04 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Sun Jun 22 21:05:19 2014 UTC. The chair is amjjawad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 21:04 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 21:04 |
| stratus_ss_ | i'm sure he will wake up soon | 21:05 |
| amjjawad | so, who is available? | 21:05 |
| satya164 | o/ | 21:05 |
| stratus_ss_ | wait... its like 12:00 hist local time i think on a monday | 21:05 |
| amjjawad | he replied my email to the list saying he will be here | 21:05 |
| amjjawad | so guess he will catch up soon hopefully :D | 21:06 |
| amjjawad | o/ | 21:06 |
| amjjawad | #topic Ubuntu GNOME meetings for UU-Cycle | 21:07 |
| amjjawad | hello and welcome everyone and thanks for attending :) this is our first meeting for UU Cycle :) | 21:07 |
| ahoneybun | o/ | 21:07 |
| amjjawad | Before we start, I just want to make sure everyone is aware of our new meeting plan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Meetings | 21:08 |
| amjjawad | we shall have weekly meetings as per the wiki page that I just sent :) | 21:08 |
| amjjawad | this is fixed so please everyone, show some commitment :D | 21:08 |
| amjjawad | any Q? | 21:08 |
| stratus_ss_ | o/ | 21:08 |
| amjjawad | sure | 21:08 |
| amjjawad | stratus_ss_, what is your Q? | 21:09 |
| satya164 | I think he was just saying he's here ;) | 21:09 |
| amjjawad | ohhh ok ... | 21:09 |
| stratus_ss_ | sorry that was delayed from the who was here | 21:09 |
| amjjawad | no problem :) | 21:09 |
| stratus_ss_ | ya sorry commotion around me... wife fighting with her mother :P | 21:10 |
| stratus_ss_ | very loud | 21:10 |
| amjjawad | #topic Discussing Utopic Unicorn Blueprints | 21:10 |
| amjjawad | hey, look who is here :D | 21:10 |
| aldomann | Tim is here | 21:10 |
| amjjawad | the boss is here | 21:10 |
| amjjawad | welcome darkxst ;) | 21:10 |
| satya164 | Welcome darkxst | 21:10 |
| amjjawad | some white tea darkxst ? :P | 21:10 |
| amjjawad | we have started but nothing serious yet ;) | 21:11 |
| amjjawad | so, let's start the serious part | 21:11 |
| amjjawad | did everyone have a look at: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/ubuntu-gnome-utopic-unicorn-roadmap | 21:11 |
| amjjawad | the general and main changes in this cycle will be, as always, on our system AND our community | 21:12 |
| Noskcaj | o/ | 21:13 |
| amjjawad | on the community side, there are some changes that I'd like to do ... for example, some Sub-Teams are not working as such ... mostly, it is one-man job or task and this is not really good :( we need to get the best of the sub-teams. Each Sub-Teams must work as such :) | 21:13 |
| amjjawad | Don't you agree? | 21:13 |
| amjjawad | welcome Noskcaj ;) | 21:13 |
| satya164 | For example amjjawad | 21:14 |
| satya164 | ? | 21:14 |
| stratus_ss_ | I think its a good idea Ali, but sometimes its easier to have the idea then implement | 21:14 |
| Noskcaj | i agree, but it's probably best we still have the teams. the issue is a lack of people | 21:14 |
| amjjawad | satya164, example Ubuntu GNOME communications team is ... sorry to say, not active at all. | 21:14 |
| amjjawad | Ubuntu GNOME brainstorming is even in worse condition | 21:15 |
| aldomann | For me, as a member and leader of the Artwork team, I think me and Satyajit will be able to work as a team now that we have time to properly plan stuff | 21:15 |
| amjjawad | the only active sub-teams are: Artwork, Packaging, Doc and Wiki and I usually do the rest myself | 21:15 |
| amjjawad | Noskcaj, we do have people, they just don't do anything | 21:16 |
| darkxst | hi all | 21:16 |
| amjjawad | that is why, we need to review all the sub-teams and give more freedom for each sub-team to do something but at the same time, everyone must go back to his/her TL | 21:16 |
| satya164 | Hi Tim! | 21:16 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, hello :D | 21:16 |
| amjjawad | the main problem which is important ... I don't have the time nor the energy to carry on all by myself ... | 21:17 |
| satya164 | So, some work with a deadline? | 21:17 |
| amjjawad | you may all have noticed that I'm not super active as I used to be. This is because I do a lot all by myself and this is not good at all. | 21:17 |
| amjjawad | satya164, no deadline, we just need to get the best out of our sub-teams, that is all. | 21:18 |
| satya164 | Yeah true. I'll do whatever I can to help | 21:18 |
| amjjawad | Wiki and Doc are the best sub-team so far and so the Artwork and packaging | 21:18 |
| satya164 | Yeah, the main question is how to get the best of or sub teams | 21:18 |
| amjjawad | satya164, good Q :) | 21:18 |
| amjjawad | We need to clean up. | 21:18 |
| amjjawad | it is all about quality not quantity | 21:19 |
| aldomann | Yep, I'm not even sure how many sub teams we have | 21:19 |
| amjjawad | heheh | 21:19 |
| satya164 | The automatic expiry will take care of cleaning of inactive members. Isn't it? | 21:19 |
| amjjawad | aldomann, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams | 21:19 |
| amjjawad | yep, that is for sure satya164 | 21:19 |
| aldomann | yep, and time has proven that fact to be right | 21:20 |
| amjjawad | but what I really have in mind is ... for example ... the marketing team should do marketing. the brainstorming team should do the planning and thinking ... and so on | 21:20 |
| amjjawad | we don't need sub-teams names sitting on launchpad ;) | 21:20 |
| satya164 | So, my suggestion would be to divide work into small chunks | 21:20 |
| amjjawad | we need something useful ... | 21:20 |
| satya164 | And assign work with a deadline | 21:21 |
| amjjawad | actually, no re-structure is required | 21:21 |
| satya164 | The deadline doesn't need to be hard | 21:21 |
| amjjawad | the deadline is the release day | 21:21 |
| aldomann | but we need to define the work each sub-team does | 21:21 |
| satya164 | Just a deadline, so we can keep track of the performance | 21:21 |
| amjjawad | with each cycle, our main deadline is the release of the cycle we are in | 21:21 |
| amjjawad | aldomann, indeed brother | 21:21 |
| amjjawad | that is why I wrote everything here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming | 21:22 |
| ahoneybun | amjjawad: maybe use trello? | 21:22 |
| stratus_ss_ | i also like the idea of deadlines | 21:22 |
| stratus_ss_ | it helps structure my weeks | 21:22 |
| amjjawad | this is the main blueprint that has each and every blueprint for all the sub-teams of Ubuntu GNOME | 21:22 |
| ahoneybun | https://trello.com/ | 21:22 |
| satya164 | That's the thing. I think since the deadline is release day, everyone thinks we still have time. No rush | 21:22 |
| amjjawad | satya164, that is true and that is the problem :D | 21:22 |
| amjjawad | we have no time ... | 21:23 |
| amjjawad | ahoneybun, what is that? | 21:23 |
| darkxst | release day is not really the deadline, feature freeze is | 21:23 |
| satya164 | So setting a deadline could help | 21:23 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, indeed but that is system wise | 21:23 |
| ahoneybun | amjjawad: website to keep track of projects | 21:23 |
| amjjawad | I'm referring to the community wise | 21:23 |
| satya164 | Trello is a project management software | 21:23 |
| ahoneybun | Kubuntu uses it | 21:23 |
| amjjawad | Nuh, Launchpad is great tool | 21:23 |
| amjjawad | we don't need to use something else, really | 21:23 |
| satya164 | The tools of the trade are only useful if someone is working | 21:24 |
| amjjawad | so, I don't think there is enough time to go through all the blueprints of all the sub-teams now. I expected that everyone of you have seen it already? | 21:24 |
| amjjawad | did you guys see it? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming | 21:25 |
| aldomann | yep | 21:25 |
| amjjawad | by tomorrow, these blueprints must be approved :P | 21:25 |
| amjjawad | so, if you have any Q, please ask | 21:25 |
| satya164 | I just had a look are the artworks part | 21:25 |
| amjjawad | I didn't add a lot | 21:25 |
| amjjawad | except one sub-team I added 5 items for it | 21:25 |
| amjjawad | but the rest, I usually set 3 tasks only for each sub-team | 21:26 |
| satya164 | So, first thing, our website | 21:26 |
| amjjawad | for example: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/brainstorming-utopic-unicorn-roadmap | 21:26 |
| stratus_ss_ | i read through the brainstorming when you first sent them out | 21:26 |
| amjjawad | stratus_ss_, that is good to know | 21:27 |
| stratus_ss_ | but its been a little while, i swapped that info to disk, so its being slowly cached | 21:27 |
| amjjawad | as you all know, I take care of the community side of the project while darkxst takes care of the technical side. BUT we do need your help :) | 21:27 |
| aldomann | yes, the website should be (for the Artwork and Marketing teams) one of the first things to work on, so that Niels can start drafting the website | 21:27 |
| amjjawad | aldomann, I will get into this shortly | 21:28 |
| amjjawad | but before I do, I want to make sure everyone is aware of what I'm talking about and how important our roadmaps are | 21:28 |
| aldomann | ok, no problem | 21:28 |
| amjjawad | each sub-team has its own roadmap | 21:28 |
| amjjawad | I hope this is clear? | 21:28 |
| satya164 | yeah | 21:28 |
| aldomann | aye | 21:28 |
| amjjawad | I have a suggestion that I didn't actually put that on a roadmap or anything | 21:28 |
| amjjawad | what about having a team of the TLs? | 21:29 |
| satya164 | What is TL? | 21:29 |
| amjjawad | all the TLs in one place to vote for anything related to the system? | 21:29 |
| amjjawad | Team Leader | 21:29 |
| aldomann | That'd be great, actually | 21:29 |
| satya164 | Yeah. | 21:30 |
| amjjawad | because we at least can make sure the TLs are active enough and available to vote | 21:30 |
| amjjawad | and I'm also thinking to give admin access on Launchpad for someone who could be acting TL | 21:30 |
| ahoneybun | amjjawad: a council? | 21:30 |
| amjjawad | which means, if the TL is away, he/she will be the activing | 21:30 |
| amjjawad | acting * | 21:30 |
| amjjawad | indeed | 21:30 |
| amjjawad | kind of ahoneybun | 21:30 |
| satya164 | Sounds good | 21:31 |
| amjjawad | the acting TL is very needed ... very | 21:31 |
| amjjawad | each TL of each Sub-Team should trust at least one of his members | 21:31 |
| aldomann | For instance I'm subscribed to all the mailing lists to be sure everything that can be related to the Artwork team gets to my eyes, having a "Council" would allow us TL to call for help when in need to any sub team | 21:31 |
| amjjawad | so he/she can assign the task of acting TL for him/her whenever he/she is away | 21:31 |
| amjjawad | aldomann, it will give more control for the TL to manage the team actually | 21:32 |
| amjjawad | no strict roles, let's do this as a voting council only for this cycle and let's see how it goes | 21:32 |
| amjjawad | what do you all asy? | 21:32 |
| amjjawad | say* | 21:32 |
| satya164 | Age | 21:33 |
| ahoneybun | agree | 21:33 |
| satya164 | Agree* | 21:33 |
| satya164 | Stupid spellchecker | 21:33 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, and aldomann and stratus_ss_ ? | 21:33 |
| aldomann | A huge yes from my part. I have seen some teams (when I was very involved in elementary l10n teams) because of the inactivity of the TL | 21:34 |
| stratus_ss_ | so to sum up you are saying | 21:34 |
| aldomann | some teams die* | 21:34 |
| stratus_ss_ | you want to have regular meetings of the TL to make sure they are active | 21:34 |
| stratus_ss_ | and then activities for the project as a whole are voted on | 21:34 |
| amjjawad | stratus_ss_, that was the first topic I started the meeting with :P | 21:34 |
| amjjawad | yep | 21:35 |
| amjjawad | these are the two main tasks for now for that council | 21:35 |
| amjjawad | weekly meetings + voting for anything | 21:35 |
| amjjawad | and also we assign the acting TL for each Sub-Team. | 21:35 |
| amjjawad | I already know some names ;) | 21:35 |
| stratus_ss_ | it makes sense to me, (as a non TL) | 21:35 |
| amjjawad | okay then, all agree except darkxst didn't yet hear from him? | 21:36 |
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| amjjawad | okay not sure where is darkxst but since everyone agreed, I guess it is accepted :D | 21:38 |
| stratus_ss_ | when votes occur are they required to be unanimous? | 21:38 |
| stratus_ss_ | or do we have kind of an accepted standard for vote splitting | 21:38 |
| stratus_ss_ | i.e. requires 80% to be accepted? | 21:38 |
| amjjawad | #accepted Ubuntu GNOME Team Leaders Team/Council + Acting TL for each sub-team | 21:38 |
| amjjawad | majority | 21:39 |
| amjjawad | if say we're 7 | 21:39 |
| stratus_ss_ | majority being 50% + 1 | 21:39 |
| amjjawad | 4 voted yes 3 voted no | 21:39 |
| amjjawad | it is yes | 21:39 |
| amjjawad | hmmm, yep | 21:39 |
| amjjawad | better 50%+1 | 21:39 |
| amjjawad | #action amjjawad to do the paper work of "Ubuntu GNOME Team Leaders Team/Council + Acting TL for each sub-team" | 21:39 |
| meetingology | ACTION: amjjawad to do the paper work of "Ubuntu GNOME Team Leaders Team/Council + Acting TL for each sub-team" | 21:39 |
| amjjawad | #topic Ubuntu GNOME HR Sub-Team | 21:40 |
| amjjawad | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team | 21:40 |
| * darkxst is back now ;) | 21:40 | |
| amjjawad | have you seen this guys? | 21:40 |
| amjjawad | I want a very quick yes or no to that idea ;) | 21:41 |
| stratus_ss_ | so is this supposed to be a subset | 21:41 |
| amjjawad | so we move to the system part of our meeting | 21:41 |
| stratus_ss_ | of marketing | 21:41 |
| amjjawad | better a new sub-team | 21:41 |
| amjjawad | I used to do all the recruiting but we need to find more than one person to do so ... or it could be part of the marketing | 21:41 |
| stratus_ss_ | so then what is the purpose of marketing? just simply pimping the brand? | 21:41 |
| amjjawad | marketing now has translations within | 21:42 |
| darkxst | I think it is a good idea, but for it to work, I think the HR team needs to be active up to the contribution stage | 21:42 |
| stratus_ss_ | i made the assumption it was part marketing | 21:42 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, sure thing | 21:42 |
| amjjawad | we need at least 2-3 people only | 21:42 |
| amjjawad | as a start ... | 21:42 |
| aldomann | How would the team work? | 21:42 |
| amjjawad | stratus_ss_, the marketing and communications team is the team that is in charge of marketing Ubuntu GNOME to the entire wold + communicate with people within the community and outside | 21:43 |
| amjjawad | aldomann, hunt people and bring them to our team :D | 21:43 |
| ahoneybun | stratus_ss_: as in social networks? | 21:43 |
| aldomann | yeah, but how? via social networks, forums, etc? | 21:44 |
| amjjawad | stratus_ss_, sadly, the marketing and comms team is not yet active ... on the social media channels, I do all the posting alone | 21:44 |
| aldomann | isn't that already the purpose of our social media pages? | 21:44 |
| satya164 | Writing blog posts about what is going on could help, like weekly | 21:44 |
| amjjawad | aldomann, social media will be one side of the coin ... we need to start recruiting from real life as well | 21:44 |
| stratus_ss_ | amjjawad, that is unforunate... if there is no marketing then i guess there would be no recruiting | 21:44 |
| amjjawad | satya164, this is INDEED what I want in this cycle ... I want the marketing team to write each and everything we do daily so that we keep our channels as busy as possible | 21:45 |
| darkxst | just finding the people is not enough, as we have seen in the past, lots of people offer to help then just disappear | 21:45 |
| satya164 | Real life? Meaning people who we could meet? | 21:45 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, indeed :( | 21:45 |
| amjjawad | satya164, I mean by real life each one of us ask his real life friends, colleagues, etc to join | 21:46 |
| amjjawad | those of us who are still go to school, etc can help a lot | 21:46 |
| satya164 | I've seen Mozilla guys. They are very much active. They meet, discuss things etc. | 21:46 |
| amjjawad | live contact is much better than writing | 21:46 |
| satya164 | Keeps them motivated | 21:46 |
| amjjawad | we don't need a lot of people, we need the most active people | 21:47 |
| aldomann2 | Sorry, Polari keeps disconnecting | 21:47 |
| satya164 | Yeah. True. | 21:47 |
| amjjawad | aldomann2, no worries | 21:47 |
| aldomann2 | I agree about someone writing the blog | 21:47 |
| amjjawad | so, if you guys think we should go ahead with HR, let me know ;) | 21:47 |
| amjjawad | agree all? or you think it is not good idea? | 21:47 |
| amjjawad | let's vote | 21:47 |
| amjjawad | +1 | 21:47 |
| aldomann2 | With the new website we could focus in that part | 21:47 |
| amjjawad | aldomann2, indeed ;) | 21:47 |
| darkxst | +1 | 21:48 |
| aldomann2 | +1 | 21:48 |
| satya164 | aldomann2 http://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome | 21:48 |
| stratus_ss_ | +1 | 21:48 |
| amjjawad | #accepted https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team | 21:48 |
| satya164 | +1 | 21:48 |
| amjjawad | #action amjjawad to take care of the paperwork of: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team | 21:48 |
| meetingology | ACTION: amjjawad to take care of the paperwork of: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team | 21:48 |
| amjjawad | #topic Discussing Website design | 21:49 |
| amjjawad | aldomann2, are you guys ready? | 21:49 |
| satya164 | I have a mockup | 21:49 |
| amjjawad | satya164, interesting :D | 21:49 |
| satya164 | aldomann2 can you show it? | 21:50 |
| amjjawad | could it be a link that you can add to the whitebaord of the blueprints? | 21:50 |
| aldomann2 | It's on the mailing list | 21:50 |
| satya164 | I'm on mobile | 21:50 |
| amjjawad | okay, no worries, we can see that later | 21:50 |
| aldomann2 | http://cl.ly/image/031I1y2o1r0D | 21:50 |
| aldomann2 | If satya164 hasn't made any modification, that's the mockup | 21:50 |
| amjjawad | wordpress, right? | 21:50 |
| satya164 | I didn't | 21:51 |
| stratus_ss_ | that looks nice, i like the default background in the header | 21:51 |
| amjjawad | it is simple and short | 21:51 |
| satya164 | It's a mockup. We need to code it as a WordPress theme I guess | 21:51 |
| amjjawad | I don't mind that one but I'd suggest to look at as many suggestions as possible | 21:52 |
| amjjawad | let me share what I have in mind for our website | 21:52 |
| aldomann2 | Niels Vermaut, who is not here as I can see, is gonna help with the coding | 21:52 |
| amjjawad | have a look at: http://torios.org/ - forget the design | 21:52 |
| amjjawad | and http://torios.org/news/ | 21:52 |
| amjjawad | there is a dedicated area for 'news'. | 21:53 |
| amjjawad | this means, if you like the idea, we could do the same ... our website could have two areas one for daily or regular news | 21:53 |
| amjjawad | one area for information that stay there and updated only when needed | 21:53 |
| aldomann2 | That'd be the purpose of the "Blog" section, right? | 21:53 |
| satya164 | Isn't the dedicated news area will be the blog? | 21:54 |
| amjjawad | aldomann2, more or less yes | 21:54 |
| darkxst | we really should have a features/tour page for the latest release as well | 21:54 |
| amjjawad | but what I have in mind is actually take out the blog side of the current website to a dedicated area | 21:54 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, I highly agree | 21:54 |
| satya164 | Yeah. | 21:54 |
| aldomann2 | ok | 21:54 |
| amjjawad | you think the Wiki Team could help? darkxst | 21:54 |
| amjjawad | sort of a quick guide? | 21:55 |
| aldomann2 | how about the main page: download button and feature tour? | 21:55 |
| darkxst | aldomann2, yep | 21:55 |
| ahoneybun | satya164: solid work | 21:55 |
| amjjawad | aldomann2, seems good to me | 21:55 |
| amjjawad | but who should do the tour? | 21:56 |
| amjjawad | is that going to be a graphical one? or text? or both? | 21:56 |
| satya164 | The main page should have as few things as possible in my opinion. After all, it's our landing page | 21:56 |
| amjjawad | it seems that the website project will be big one ;) | 21:56 |
| satya164 | We won't want it to have information overload | 21:56 |
| darkxst | screenshots and text' | 21:56 |
| aldomann2 | nothing too complicated, something like this: http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ | 21:56 |
| amjjawad | satya164, that is exactly why I'm suggesting to do it like ToriOS website | 21:56 |
| amjjawad | one section for news, other for the rest of the info | 21:56 |
| satya164 | Thanks ahoneybon | 21:56 |
| amjjawad | http://torios.org/ | 21:57 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, that has way too much stuff on the homepage! | 21:57 |
| satya164 | Yeah. In the mockup you can see that the only the latest post from blog is there. The blog will be fully separate | 21:57 |
| amjjawad | I think we should great a project on launchpad for the website and see who is interested to join .. I don't have much of plans for my wiki team so I can send my knights to the website project :D | 21:58 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, you mean http://torios.org/ ? have a look at the news tab ... it is a wordpress while the rest of the wbesite is simple HTML | 21:58 |
| amjjawad | satya164, which mean a sub-domain ?? | 21:59 |
| satya164 | Yes. The ToriOS website has a lot of stuff on the homepage | 21:59 |
| amjjawad | http://torios.org/ and http://torios.org/news/ are twoo different areas ... one HTML and one is WordPress | 21:59 |
| satya164 | Yes, subdomain will be the best | 21:59 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, that seems pretty irrellevant | 22:00 |
| amjjawad | forget the details :D I'm talking about the idea of having the new section on a different place | 22:00 |
| satya164 | I guess we all agree with the blog being separate | 22:00 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, what is your plan then to make our website showing the latest post only? instead of everything as now :( | 22:00 |
| aldomann2 | I agree. I mean, there's a huge BLOG link in the home page, there's no need to furthuer integration | 22:00 |
| amjjawad | satya164, not sure darkxst agrees? | 22:00 |
| satya164 | Yes. Coz the user visits the page usually to download | 22:01 |
| amjjawad | satya164, or to find some kind of information ... | 22:01 |
| satya164 | And having the latest post could help in showing latest announcements | 22:01 |
| amjjawad | so, what darkxst thinks about that? | 22:02 |
| amjjawad | waiting for his opinion .. | 22:02 |
| stratus_ss_ | sorry all i have to idle i am being called for supper | 22:02 |
| darkxst | I kind of think the homepage should show case the release | 22:02 |
| amjjawad | stratus_ss_, no worries enjoy your meal | 22:02 |
| satya164 | Yeah, for information we can have the links in the header and footer. Most important ones at header | 22:02 |
| darkxst | if you want a seperate blog, thats fine | 22:02 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, it is just a suggestion ... you guys can think about it and vote later if you wish I don't mind | 22:03 |
| satya164 | I agree on separate blog | 22:03 |
| amjjawad | take Xubuntu website for example ... it is super neat and organized | 22:03 |
| amjjawad | okay then, guess we agreed to have a separate blog? | 22:04 |
| amjjawad | please confirm all :) | 22:04 |
| aldomann2 | yeah, but I think we could get the same final result as Xubuntu | 22:05 |
| amjjawad | if you wish, we can finish that on the mailing list | 22:05 |
| aldomann2 | even if it's a separate page, if has the same theming | 22:05 |
| amjjawad | sure | 22:05 |
| aldomann2 | that's fine | 22:05 |
| amjjawad | aldomann2, I'd like to have the same theme for sure | 22:05 |
| satya164 | Yeah. It needs to have same look as our homepage | 22:05 |
| amjjawad | the idea is to get a more organized website | 22:05 |
| amjjawad | and more user friendly one | 22:05 |
| aldomann2 | that's our goal :) | 22:06 |
| satya164 | Yeah. | 22:06 |
| amjjawad | we have beautiful system :D | 22:06 |
| amjjawad | let's have a beautiful website :D | 22:06 |
| amjjawad | okay then, seems you all agreed on the separate blog with both theme ... | 22:06 |
| amjjawad | same theme* - sorry | 22:07 |
| aldomann2 | yep, now I have somethig to discuss about the sections of the website | 22:07 |
| darkxst | yep | 22:07 |
| aldomann2 | let's compare the mockup and the current website | 22:07 |
| amjjawad | #accepted agreed to have separate blog on our website for news with the same theme as the main site | 22:07 |
| aldomann2 | as you can see, FAQ and Wiki have gained a more important place in the header | 22:08 |
| amjjawad | #action amjjawad todo the paperwork of the new suggestion for the website of Ubuntu GNOME to have a dedicated section for news with the same theme as the main site | 22:08 |
| meetingology | ACTION: amjjawad todo the paperwork of the new suggestion for the website of Ubuntu GNOME to have a dedicated section for news with the same theme as the main site | 22:08 |
| aldomann2 | do you agree in this? | 22:08 |
| amjjawad | http://ubuntugnome.org/ | 22:09 |
| darkxst | maybe the FAQ could move onto the wiki | 22:09 |
| aldomann2 | or maintain two versions | 22:09 |
| aldomann2 | I think it's nice to new users to have all the main info in the website | 22:09 |
| satya164 | I agree | 22:10 |
| amjjawad | the main and basic info | 22:10 |
| amjjawad | if he/she wants more, then the wiki area is waiting | 22:10 |
| aldomann2 | amjjawad, that's exactly what I have in mind | 22:10 |
| amjjawad | putting everything on the website is an overkill | 22:10 |
| aldomann2 | somehitng like a "Know Ubuntu GNOME 101" | 22:11 |
| ubot5 | Error: Gnome bug 101 could not be found | 22:11 |
| satya164 | lol ^ | 22:11 |
| amjjawad | to update that, you need ages and for new users, they will see a lot of information which might push them away | 22:11 |
| aldomann2 | update what? | 22:12 |
| amjjawad | aldomann2, this is what darkxst was talking about about the tour | 22:12 |
| amjjawad | aldomann2, I'm saying if we put everything on the website, it would be an overkill to maintain that | 22:12 |
| amjjawad | that is why we put everything on our Wiki arae | 22:12 |
| satya164 | Feature tour? | 22:12 |
| amjjawad | area * | 22:12 |
| amjjawad | yeah, if we have the tour thing, we could take the rest of the info out | 22:12 |
| amjjawad | just keep FAQs | 22:13 |
| aldomann2 | I think we only have two sections: Home (tour, very simple, I repreat) and FAQ | 22:13 |
| amjjawad | and add : for more info, click here | 22:13 |
| amjjawad | then by clicking on that link, you direct them to our wiki | 22:13 |
| aldomann2 | the rest are links | 22:13 |
| satya164 | We can highlight 3-4 features or homepage. Everything else can be in the wiki | 22:13 |
| aldomann2 | Yes, as in the mockup. Some screenshots and some text | 22:14 |
| amjjawad | I'd suggest to keep FAQs, and ask them to visit the Wiki for more info | 22:14 |
| amjjawad | one Q here | 22:14 |
| amjjawad | are we going to ask for our users opinion? | 22:14 |
| satya164 | Yeah. I agree on separate FAQ | 22:14 |
| amjjawad | about the website new design | 22:14 |
| satya164 | or at least if FAQ is inside Wiki, a direct link | 22:14 |
| amjjawad | satya164, FAQs could be a tab | 22:15 |
| satya164 | A separate page, you mean? | 22:15 |
| amjjawad | instead of Documentation, we mention FAQs as a tab | 22:15 |
| aldomann2 | yes, inside the site | 22:15 |
| satya164 | A link at the header? | 22:16 |
| amjjawad | and when he/she hits FAQs Tab, there will be a link to direct them to the Wiki | 22:16 |
| amjjawad | http://ubuntugnome.org/ | 22:16 |
| satya164 | Yeah | 22:16 |
| amjjawad | see the website now, it has Documentation (long word) | 22:16 |
| amjjawad | instead, we could replace that with FAQs and add all the needed link inside that FAQs tab | 22:16 |
| satya164 | Yeah | 22:17 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, what do you think? | 22:17 |
| darkxst | that is fine | 22:17 |
| amjjawad | ahoneybun, | 22:17 |
| amjjawad | aldomann2, | 22:17 |
| aldomann2 | So... FAQ would link to the wiki or it will have some useful links to the Wiki? | 22:18 |
| amjjawad | now, it links to the Wiki | 22:18 |
| amjjawad | http://ubuntugnome.org/documentation/ | 22:18 |
| aldomann2 | but... http://ubuntugnome.org/documentation/faq/ | 22:19 |
| amjjawad | I guess that was the old one | 22:19 |
| aldomann2 | okay, I wasn't aware of that | 22:19 |
| amjjawad | when we started to add more info | 22:19 |
| darkxst | anyway I am not too concerned about the finer details, I will leave that up to you guys | 22:19 |
| amjjawad | it was an overkill for me to keep updating that arae | 22:20 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, yeah, and I guess we could carry on with that on the mailing list | 22:20 |
| aldomann2 | if it's easier to the Wiki team, I agree with FAQ being just a link | 22:20 |
| satya164 | Ok | 22:20 |
| amjjawad | aldomann2, I think we need to talk about that later maybe next week | 22:20 |
| amjjawad | we passed the one hour already for the meeting ... | 22:21 |
| aldomann2 | that's true | 22:21 |
| amjjawad | that is why we have weekly meeting starting this week ;) | 22:21 |
| satya164 | How about having our IRC on the website? | 22:21 |
| amjjawad | so, anything else? | 22:21 |
| satya164 | ^ | 22:21 |
| amjjawad | #action to carry on with the website talk on the mailing list and at the next week meeting | 22:21 |
| meetingology | ACTION: to carry on with the website talk on the mailing list and at the next week meeting | 22:21 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, are you going to attend the next week meeting? | 22:22 |
| amjjawad | or shall we confirm that later? | 22:22 |
| darkxst | will confirm later in the week | 22:22 |
| amjjawad | it is same time as this one for the next week in case darkxst is coming. Otherwise, it is 15:00 GMT | 22:23 |
| amjjawad | sure, no problem | 22:23 |
| amjjawad | anything else guys? | 22:23 |
| satya164 | Wallpaper contest? | 22:23 |
| amjjawad | haha | 22:23 |
| amjjawad | satya164, next week ;) | 22:23 |
| satya164 | Okies | 22:23 |
| amjjawad | #action amjjawad satya164 and aldomann2 to discuss about the Artwork stuff on next week | 22:23 |
| meetingology | ACTION: amjjawad satya164 and aldomann2 to discuss about the Artwork stuff on next week | 22:23 |
| aldomann2 | what amjjawad says | 22:24 |
| satya164 | So meeting over? | 22:24 |
| amjjawad | #action next week meeting will be at 21:00 GMT on Sunday and darkxst will confirm whether he will attend or not | 22:24 |
| meetingology | ACTION: next week meeting will be at 21:00 GMT on Sunday and darkxst will confirm whether he will attend or not | 22:24 |
| amjjawad | not yet | 22:24 |
| amjjawad | satya164, if you wish to add anything now? | 22:24 |
| satya164 | Okay | 22:24 |
| amjjawad | or shall I just end it and go to zzz :P | 22:25 |
| aldomann2 | go to sleep, my friend | 22:25 |
| satya164 | I wanted to suggest having our IRC link on the website | 22:25 |
| amjjawad | #action amjjawad to set the agenda for next week meeting and ask the team to edit it | 22:25 |
| meetingology | ACTION: amjjawad to set the agenda for next week meeting and ask the team to edit it | 22:25 |
| amjjawad | satya164, it should be on the contact page?! | 22:25 |
| amjjawad | http://ubuntugnome.org/contact-us/ | 22:25 |
| aldomann2 | sure | 22:25 |
| amjjawad | it is there | 22:25 |
| satya164 | Sure | 22:26 |
| amjjawad | okay then | 22:26 |
| amjjawad | I shall end it | 22:26 |
| satya164 | I meant a web interface. Like Scrollback | 22:26 |
| aldomann2 | I'd actually want to mix contact us and getting involved under "COMMUNITY" | 22:26 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, anything else boss? | 22:26 |
| aldomann2 | but let's discuss that the next week | 22:26 |
| amjjawad | satya164, ah, you mean they can just start chatting right away? | 22:26 |
| satya164 | Yes. That | 22:26 |
| amjjawad | hmmmm, for next week I guess | 22:27 |
| satya164 | Okay. | 22:27 |
| amjjawad | #action we need to discuss in more details about website next week amjjawad aldomann2 and satya164 | 22:27 |
| meetingology | ACTION: we need to discuss in more details about website next week amjjawad aldomann2 and satya164 | 22:27 |
| amjjawad | #action discuss on the next week meeting whether to create a project on Launchpad for the new website or not amjjawad | 22:28 |
| meetingology | ACTION: discuss on the next week meeting whether to create a project on Launchpad for the new website or not amjjawad | 22:28 |
| amjjawad | thank you everyone for attending | 22:28 |
| amjjawad | it was very very helpful meeting | 22:28 |
| satya164 | Could the meeting be shifted to 24 hours before the current time ? | 22:28 |
| amjjawad | cya next week same time and day and I shall send the details later | 22:28 |
| amjjawad | you mean Sat? | 22:28 |
| satya164 | Yes | 22:28 |
| amjjawad | only for next week meeting? | 22:29 |
| satya164 | Coz for me it's Monday | 22:29 |
| satya164 | No. All | 22:29 |
| amjjawad | Ahaaaa | 22:29 |
| aldomann2 | I think Sat as a regular meeting day would be nice | 22:29 |
| amjjawad | darkxst, | 22:29 |
| amjjawad | Sunday is the only day that darkxst can attend :( | 22:29 |
| satya164 | Yeah. I need to go to office in 4 hours ;) | 22:29 |
| amjjawad | OMG :/ | 22:29 |
| satya164 | Ohh :( | 22:29 |
| satya164 | Actually 5-6 hours | 22:30 |
| amjjawad | #action satya164 is having problems with Sunday Time meetings - amjjawad to check whether we could do something about it or not and check with darkxst | 22:30 |
| meetingology | ACTION: satya164 is having problems with Sunday Time meetings - amjjawad to check whether we could do something about it or not and check with darkxst | 22:30 |
| amjjawad | we shall talk about it later ;) | 22:30 |
| hiren90 | nice meeting | 22:30 |
| satya164 | Okay. Thanks | 22:30 |
| amjjawad | I put a note for that | 22:30 |
| amjjawad | satya164, you're more than welcome | 22:30 |
| amjjawad | #endmeeting | 22:31 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Sun Jun 22 22:31:39 2014 UTC. | 22:31 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-gnome/2014/ubuntu-gnome.2014-06-22-21.05.moin.txt | 22:31 |
| amjjawad | phew | 22:31 |
| satya164 | So. Everyone, goodnight. | 22:31 |
| satya164 | Going to bed. | 22:31 |
| amjjawad | good night and so sorry to keep you awake | 22:31 |
| satya164 | np ;) | 22:31 |
| aldomann2 | good night everyone | 22:31 |
| amjjawad | aldomann2, good night my friend | 22:32 |
| amjjawad | and I must go too ZzZz | 22:32 |
| amjjawad | cya everyone | 22:32 |
| aldomann2 | cya | 22:32 |
| amjjawad | thanks for attending | 22:32 |
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