[14:10] <Taueres> Is there a meeting planned in this channel?
[14:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Not that I know of, check the schedule
[17:21] <charlie_sanders> How can I permanetly set my displays how I have them at this moment ?  I upgraded to 14.04 and lost whatever I did last time to make my Displays persist
[17:29] <Taueres> charlie_sanders, I'm having this problem too. I think it'is a login phase problem. If you connect the monitors after the login, your settings should be preserved
[20:46] <swiss> so, when a window is on a different desktop than the active one, is X still rendering that window?
[20:47] <satya164> Anyone here?
[20:50] <amjjawad> No, no one is here :P
[20:50] <amjjawad> who are you? do I know you? :P
[20:50] <satya164> Yes. You do ;)
[20:50] <amjjawad> hahahaha
[20:50] <swiss> lol
[20:51] <swiss> does anyone know X really well?
[20:51] <satya164> Who is X again?
[20:52] <amjjawad> who is X?
[20:52] <amjjawad> I know Z
[20:52] <satya164> amjjawad Z for Zorro?
[20:53] <amjjawad> hmmm or zombie :P
[20:53] <satya164> So, you know zombies! Kind of awkward...
[20:53] <satya164> amjjawad when is the meeting BTW?
[20:54] <amjjawad> in 6 mins ;)
[20:54] <satya164> Good ;)
[20:55] <aldomann> hey, lads
[20:55] <aldomann> I thought Polari would show notifications, I was wrong
[20:55] <amjjawad> hey hey hey
[20:55] <amjjawad> all the gang is here, I see
[20:55] <amjjawad> :P
[20:56] <amjjawad> I'm so bad and tired hehe
[20:56] <amjjawad> I have no idea how can I focus
[20:57] <amjjawad> I must wash my face
[20:59] <satya164> And I'm chatting from my mobile ;p
[21:00] <stratus_ss_> quiet in here tonight
[21:00] <amjjawad> satya164, make sure not to fall asleep :P
[21:00] <aldomann> 44 people, that's great :)
[21:00] <amjjawad> nuh, not all are online
[21:01] <satya164> I'm great at that ;)
[21:01] <amjjawad> I mean, they appear online but not everyone is here I guess
[21:01] <amjjawad> satya164, tell me about it :D
[21:01] <satya164> So, we have the same traits. lol
[21:01] <amjjawad> hehe
[21:01] <amjjawad> #chair amjjawad
[21:02] <amjjawad> ops, I messed up hehe
[21:02] <amjjawad> I'm so sleepy :D
[21:02] <amjjawad> okay, some slaps on the face work :D
[21:02] <amjjawad> any idea how can I make the font bigger here?
[21:02] <aldomann> try putting your face in a bowl with cold ice :P
[21:02] <satya164> lol. Not my competitor. lol
[21:02] <amjjawad> using xchat
[21:03] <aldomann> no idea, I've never used it before
[21:03] <amjjawad> oh ok
[21:03] <satya164> I did, but forgot
[21:03] <amjjawad> I shall start then
[21:03] <satya164> Yeah
[21:03] <amjjawad> no worries
[21:04] <amjjawad> Tim is not here yet
[21:04] <satya164> :(
[21:04] <amjjawad> #startmeeting Utopic Unicorn Roadmap for Ubuntu GNOME
[21:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Jun 22 21:05:19 2014 UTC.  The chair is amjjawad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[21:05] <stratus_ss_> i'm sure he will wake up soon
[21:05] <amjjawad> so, who is available?
[21:05] <satya164> o/
[21:05] <stratus_ss_> wait... its like 12:00 hist local time i think on a monday
[21:05] <amjjawad> he replied my email to the list saying he will be here
[21:06] <amjjawad> so guess he will catch up soon hopefully :D
[21:06] <amjjawad> o/
[21:07] <amjjawad> #topic Ubuntu GNOME meetings for UU-Cycle
[21:07] <amjjawad> hello and welcome everyone and thanks for attending :) this is our first meeting for UU Cycle :)
[21:07] <ahoneybun> o/
[21:08] <amjjawad> Before we start, I just want to make sure everyone is aware of our new meeting plan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Meetings
[21:08] <amjjawad> we shall have weekly meetings as per the wiki page that I just sent :)
[21:08] <amjjawad> this is fixed so please everyone, show some commitment :D
[21:08] <amjjawad> any Q?
[21:08] <stratus_ss_> o/
[21:08] <amjjawad> sure
[21:09] <amjjawad> stratus_ss_, what is your Q?
[21:09] <satya164> I think he was just saying he's here ;)
[21:09] <amjjawad> ohhh ok ...
[21:09] <stratus_ss_> sorry that was delayed from the who was here
[21:09] <amjjawad> no problem :)
[21:10] <stratus_ss_> ya sorry commotion around me... wife fighting with her mother :P
[21:10] <stratus_ss_> very loud
[21:10] <amjjawad> #topic  Discussing Utopic Unicorn Blueprints
[21:10] <amjjawad> hey, look who is here :D
[21:10] <aldomann> Tim is here
[21:10] <amjjawad> the boss is here
[21:10] <amjjawad> welcome darkxst ;)
[21:10] <satya164> Welcome darkxst
[21:10] <amjjawad> some white tea darkxst ? :P
[21:11] <amjjawad> we have started but nothing serious yet ;)
[21:11] <amjjawad> so, let's start the serious part
[21:11] <amjjawad> did everyone have a look at: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/ubuntu-gnome-utopic-unicorn-roadmap
[21:12] <amjjawad> the general and main changes in this cycle will be, as always, on our system AND our community
[21:13] <Noskcaj> o/
[21:13] <amjjawad> on the community side, there are some changes that I'd like to do ... for example, some Sub-Teams are not working as such ... mostly, it is one-man job or task and this is not really good :( we need to get the best of the sub-teams. Each Sub-Teams must work as such :)
[21:13] <amjjawad> Don't you agree?
[21:13] <amjjawad> welcome Noskcaj ;)
[21:14] <satya164> For example amjjawad
[21:14] <satya164> ?
[21:14] <stratus_ss_> I think its a good idea Ali, but sometimes its easier to have the idea then implement
[21:14] <Noskcaj> i agree, but it's probably best we still have the teams. the issue is a lack of people
[21:14] <amjjawad> satya164, example Ubuntu GNOME communications team is ... sorry to say, not active at all.
[21:15] <amjjawad> Ubuntu GNOME brainstorming is even in worse condition
[21:15] <aldomann> For me, as a member and leader of the Artwork team, I think me and Satyajit will be able to work as a team now that we have time to properly plan stuff
[21:15] <amjjawad> the only active sub-teams are: Artwork, Packaging, Doc and Wiki and I usually do the rest myself
[21:16] <amjjawad> Noskcaj, we do have people, they just don't do anything
[21:16] <darkxst> hi all
[21:16] <amjjawad> that is why, we need to review all the sub-teams and give more freedom for each sub-team to do something but at the same time, everyone must go back to his/her TL
[21:16] <satya164> Hi Tim!
[21:16] <amjjawad> darkxst, hello :D
[21:17] <amjjawad> the main problem which is important ... I don't have the time nor the energy to carry on all by myself ...
[21:17] <satya164> So, some work with a deadline?
[21:17] <amjjawad> you may all have noticed that I'm not super active as I used to be. This is because I do a lot all by myself and this is not good at all.
[21:18] <amjjawad> satya164, no deadline, we just need to get the best out of our sub-teams, that is all.
[21:18] <satya164> Yeah true. I'll do whatever I can to help
[21:18] <amjjawad> Wiki and Doc are the best sub-team so far and so the Artwork and packaging
[21:18] <satya164> Yeah, the main question is how to get the best of or sub teams
[21:18] <amjjawad> satya164, good Q :)
[21:18] <amjjawad> We need to clean up.
[21:19] <amjjawad> it is all about quality not quantity
[21:19] <aldomann> Yep, I'm not even sure how many sub teams we have
[21:19] <amjjawad> heheh
[21:19] <satya164> The automatic expiry will take care of cleaning of inactive members. Isn't it?
[21:19] <amjjawad> aldomann, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams
[21:19] <amjjawad> yep, that is for sure satya164
[21:20] <aldomann> yep, and time has proven that fact to be right
[21:20] <amjjawad> but what I really have in mind is ... for example ... the marketing team should do marketing. the brainstorming team should do the planning and thinking ... and so on
[21:20] <amjjawad> we don't need sub-teams names sitting on launchpad ;)
[21:20] <satya164> So, my suggestion would be to divide work into small chunks
[21:20] <amjjawad> we need something useful ...
[21:21] <satya164> And assign work with a deadline
[21:21] <amjjawad> actually, no re-structure is required
[21:21] <satya164> The deadline doesn't need to be hard
[21:21] <amjjawad> the deadline is the release day
[21:21] <aldomann> but we need to define the work each sub-team does
[21:21] <satya164> Just a deadline, so we can keep track of the performance
[21:21] <amjjawad> with each cycle, our main deadline is the release of the cycle we are in
[21:21] <amjjawad> aldomann, indeed brother
[21:22] <amjjawad> that is why I wrote everything here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming
[21:22] <ahoneybun> amjjawad: maybe use trello?
[21:22] <stratus_ss_> i also like the idea of deadlines
[21:22] <stratus_ss_> it helps structure my weeks
[21:22] <amjjawad> this is the main blueprint that has each and every blueprint for all the sub-teams of Ubuntu GNOME
[21:22] <ahoneybun> https://trello.com/
[21:22] <satya164> That's the thing. I think since the deadline is release day, everyone thinks  we still have time. No rush
[21:22] <amjjawad> satya164, that is true and that is the problem :D
[21:23] <amjjawad> we have no time ...
[21:23] <amjjawad> ahoneybun, what is that?
[21:23] <darkxst> release day is not really the deadline, feature freeze is
[21:23] <satya164> So setting a deadline could help
[21:23] <amjjawad> darkxst, indeed but that is system wise
[21:23] <ahoneybun> amjjawad: website to keep track of projects
[21:23] <amjjawad> I'm referring to the community wise
[21:23] <satya164> Trello is a project management software
[21:23] <ahoneybun> Kubuntu uses it
[21:23] <amjjawad> Nuh, Launchpad is great tool
[21:23] <amjjawad> we don't need to use something else, really
[21:24] <satya164> The tools of the trade are only useful if someone is working
[21:24] <amjjawad> so, I don't think there is enough time to go through all the blueprints of all the sub-teams now. I expected that everyone of you have seen it already?
[21:25] <amjjawad> did you guys see it? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming
[21:25] <aldomann> yep
[21:25] <amjjawad> by tomorrow, these blueprints must be approved :P
[21:25] <amjjawad> so, if you have any Q, please ask
[21:25] <satya164> I just had a look are the artworks part
[21:25] <amjjawad> I didn't add a lot
[21:25] <amjjawad> except one sub-team I added 5 items for it
[21:26] <amjjawad> but the rest, I usually set 3 tasks only for each sub-team
[21:26] <satya164> So, first thing, our website
[21:26] <amjjawad> for example: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/brainstorming-utopic-unicorn-roadmap
[21:26] <stratus_ss_> i read through the brainstorming when you first sent them out
[21:27] <amjjawad> stratus_ss_, that is good to know
[21:27] <stratus_ss_> but its been a little while, i swapped that info to disk, so its being slowly cached
[21:27] <amjjawad> as you all know, I take care of the community side of the project while darkxst takes care of the technical side. BUT we do need your help :)
[21:27] <aldomann> yes, the website should be (for the Artwork and Marketing teams) one of the first things to work on, so that Niels can start drafting the website
[21:28] <amjjawad> aldomann, I will get into this shortly
[21:28] <amjjawad> but before I do, I want to make sure everyone is aware of what I'm talking about and how important our roadmaps are
[21:28] <aldomann> ok, no problem
[21:28] <amjjawad> each sub-team has its own roadmap
[21:28] <amjjawad> I hope this is clear?
[21:28] <satya164> yeah
[21:28] <aldomann> aye
[21:28] <amjjawad> I have a suggestion that I didn't actually put that on a roadmap or anything
[21:29] <amjjawad> what about having a team of the TLs?
[21:29] <satya164> What is TL?
[21:29] <amjjawad> all the TLs in one place to vote for anything related to the system?
[21:29] <amjjawad> Team Leader
[21:29] <aldomann> That'd be great, actually
[21:30] <satya164> Yeah.
[21:30] <amjjawad> because we at least can make sure the TLs are active enough and available to vote
[21:30] <amjjawad> and I'm also thinking to give admin access on Launchpad for someone who could be acting TL
[21:30] <ahoneybun> amjjawad:  a council?
[21:30] <amjjawad> which means, if the TL is away, he/she will be the activing
[21:30] <amjjawad> acting *
[21:30] <amjjawad> indeed
[21:30] <amjjawad> kind of ahoneybun
[21:31] <satya164> Sounds good
[21:31] <amjjawad> the acting TL is very needed ... very
[21:31] <amjjawad> each TL of each Sub-Team should trust at least one of his members
[21:31] <aldomann> For instance I'm subscribed to all the mailing lists to be sure everything that can be related to the Artwork team gets to my eyes, having a "Council" would allow us TL to call for help when in need to any sub team
[21:31] <amjjawad> so he/she can assign the task of acting TL for him/her whenever he/she is away
[21:32] <amjjawad> aldomann, it will give more control for the TL to manage the team actually
[21:32] <amjjawad> no strict roles, let's do this as a voting council only for this cycle and let's see how it goes
[21:32] <amjjawad> what do you all asy?
[21:32] <amjjawad> say*
[21:33] <satya164> Age
[21:33] <ahoneybun> agree
[21:33] <satya164> Agree*
[21:33] <satya164> Stupid spellchecker
[21:33] <amjjawad> darkxst, and aldomann and stratus_ss_ ?
[21:34] <aldomann> A huge yes from my part. I have seen some teams (when I was very involved in elementary l10n teams) because of the inactivity of the TL
[21:34] <stratus_ss_> so to sum up you are saying
[21:34] <aldomann> some teams die*
[21:34] <stratus_ss_> you want to have regular meetings of the TL to make sure they are active
[21:34] <stratus_ss_> and then activities for the project as a whole are voted on
[21:34] <amjjawad> stratus_ss_, that was the first topic I started the meeting with :P
[21:35] <amjjawad> yep
[21:35] <amjjawad> these are the two main tasks for now for that council
[21:35] <amjjawad> weekly meetings + voting for anything
[21:35] <amjjawad> and also we assign the acting TL for each Sub-Team.
[21:35] <amjjawad> I already know some names ;)
[21:35] <stratus_ss_> it makes sense to me, (as a non TL)
[21:36] <amjjawad> okay then, all agree except darkxst didn't yet hear from him?
[21:38] <amjjawad> okay not sure where is darkxst but since everyone agreed, I guess it is accepted :D
[21:38] <stratus_ss_> when votes occur are they required to be unanimous?
[21:38] <stratus_ss_> or do we have kind of an accepted standard for vote splitting
[21:38] <stratus_ss_> i.e. requires 80% to be accepted?
[21:38] <amjjawad> #accepted Ubuntu GNOME Team Leaders Team/Council + Acting TL for each sub-team
[21:39] <amjjawad> majority
[21:39] <amjjawad> if say we're 7
[21:39] <stratus_ss_> majority being 50% + 1
[21:39] <amjjawad> 4 voted yes 3 voted no
[21:39] <amjjawad> it is yes
[21:39] <amjjawad> hmmm, yep
[21:39] <amjjawad> better 50%+1
[21:39] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad to do the paper work of "Ubuntu GNOME Team Leaders Team/Council + Acting TL for each sub-team"
[21:39] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad to do the paper work of "Ubuntu GNOME Team Leaders Team/Council + Acting TL for each sub-team"
[21:40] <amjjawad> #topic Ubuntu GNOME HR Sub-Team
[21:40] <amjjawad> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team
[21:40]  * darkxst is back now ;)
[21:40] <amjjawad> have you seen this guys?
[21:41] <amjjawad> I want a very quick yes or no to that idea ;)
[21:41] <stratus_ss_> so is this supposed to be a subset
[21:41] <amjjawad> so we move to the system part of our meeting
[21:41] <stratus_ss_> of marketing
[21:41] <amjjawad> better a new sub-team
[21:41] <amjjawad> I used to do all the recruiting but we need to find more than one person to do so ... or it could be part of the marketing
[21:41] <stratus_ss_> so then what is the purpose of marketing? just simply pimping the brand?
[21:42] <amjjawad> marketing now has translations within
[21:42] <darkxst> I think it is a good idea, but for it to work, I think the HR team needs to be active up to the contribution stage
[21:42] <stratus_ss_> i made the assumption it was part marketing
[21:42] <amjjawad> darkxst, sure thing
[21:42] <amjjawad> we need at least 2-3 people only
[21:42] <amjjawad> as a start ...
[21:42] <aldomann> How would the team work?
[21:43] <amjjawad> stratus_ss_, the marketing and communications team is the team that is in charge of marketing Ubuntu GNOME to the entire wold + communicate with people within the community and outside
[21:43] <amjjawad> aldomann, hunt people and bring them to our team :D
[21:43] <ahoneybun> stratus_ss_: as in social networks?
[21:44] <aldomann> yeah, but how? via social networks, forums, etc?
[21:44] <amjjawad> stratus_ss_, sadly, the marketing and comms team is not yet active ... on the social media channels, I do all the posting alone
[21:44] <aldomann> isn't that already the purpose of our social media pages?
[21:44] <satya164> Writing blog posts about what is going on could help, like weekly
[21:44] <amjjawad> aldomann, social media will be one side of the coin ... we need to start recruiting from real life as well
[21:44] <stratus_ss_> amjjawad, that is unforunate... if there is no marketing then i guess there would be no recruiting
[21:45] <amjjawad> satya164, this is INDEED what I want in this cycle ... I want the marketing team to write each and everything we do daily so that we keep our channels as busy as possible
[21:45] <darkxst> just finding the people is not enough, as we have seen in the past, lots of people offer to help then just disappear
[21:45] <satya164> Real life? Meaning people who we could meet?
[21:45] <amjjawad> darkxst, indeed :(
[21:46] <amjjawad> satya164, I mean by real life each one of us ask his real life friends, colleagues, etc to join
[21:46] <amjjawad> those of us who are still go to school, etc can help a lot
[21:46] <satya164> I've seen Mozilla guys. They are very much active. They meet, discuss things etc.
[21:46] <amjjawad> live contact is much better than writing
[21:46] <satya164> Keeps them motivated
[21:47] <amjjawad> we don't need a lot of people, we need the most active people
[21:47] <aldomann2> Sorry, Polari keeps disconnecting
[21:47] <satya164> Yeah. True.
[21:47] <amjjawad> aldomann2, no worries
[21:47] <aldomann2> I agree about someone writing the blog
[21:47] <amjjawad> so, if you guys think we should go ahead with HR, let me know ;)
[21:47] <amjjawad> agree all? or you think it is not good idea?
[21:47] <amjjawad> let's vote
[21:47] <amjjawad> +1
[21:47] <aldomann2> With the new website we could focus in that part
[21:47] <amjjawad> aldomann2, indeed ;)
[21:48] <darkxst> +1
[21:48] <aldomann2> +1
[21:48] <satya164> aldomann2 http://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome
[21:48] <stratus_ss_> +1
[21:48] <amjjawad> #accepted https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team
[21:48] <satya164> +1
[21:48] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad to take care of the paperwork of: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team
[21:48] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad to take care of the paperwork of: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team
[21:49] <amjjawad> #topic  Discussing Website design
[21:49] <amjjawad> aldomann2, are you guys ready?
[21:49] <satya164> I have a mockup
[21:49] <amjjawad> satya164, interesting :D
[21:50] <satya164> aldomann2 can you show it?
[21:50] <amjjawad> could it be a link that you can add to the whitebaord of the blueprints?
[21:50] <aldomann2> It's on the mailing list
[21:50] <satya164> I'm on mobile
[21:50] <amjjawad> okay, no worries, we can see that later
[21:50] <aldomann2> http://cl.ly/image/031I1y2o1r0D
[21:50] <aldomann2> If satya164 hasn't made any modification, that's the mockup
[21:50] <amjjawad> wordpress, right?
[21:51] <satya164> I didn't
[21:51] <stratus_ss_> that looks nice, i like the default background in the header
[21:51] <amjjawad> it is simple and short
[21:51] <satya164> It's a mockup. We need to code it as a WordPress theme I guess
[21:52] <amjjawad> I don't mind that one but I'd suggest to look at as many suggestions as possible
[21:52] <amjjawad> let me share what I have in mind for our website
[21:52] <aldomann2> Niels Vermaut, who is not here as I can see, is gonna help with the coding
[21:52] <amjjawad> have a look at: http://torios.org/ - forget the design
[21:52] <amjjawad> and http://torios.org/news/
[21:53] <amjjawad> there is a dedicated area for 'news'.
[21:53] <amjjawad> this means, if you like the idea, we could do the same ... our website could have two areas one for daily or regular news
[21:53] <amjjawad> one area for information that stay there and updated only when needed
[21:53] <aldomann2> That'd be the purpose of the "Blog" section, right?
[21:54] <satya164> Isn't the dedicated news area will be the blog?
[21:54] <amjjawad> aldomann2, more or less yes
[21:54] <darkxst> we really should have a features/tour page for the latest release as well
[21:54] <amjjawad> but what I have in mind is actually take out the blog side of the current website to a dedicated area
[21:54] <amjjawad> darkxst, I highly agree
[21:54] <satya164> Yeah.
[21:54] <aldomann2> ok
[21:54] <amjjawad> you think the Wiki Team could help? darkxst
[21:55] <amjjawad> sort of a quick guide?
[21:55] <aldomann2> how about the main page: download button and feature tour?
[21:55] <darkxst> aldomann2, yep
[21:55] <ahoneybun> satya164: solid work
[21:55] <amjjawad> aldomann2, seems good to me
[21:56] <amjjawad> but who should do the tour?
[21:56] <amjjawad> is that going to be a graphical one? or text? or both?
[21:56] <satya164> The main page should have as few things as possible in my opinion. After all, it's our landing page
[21:56] <amjjawad> it seems that the website project will be big one ;)
[21:56] <satya164> We won't want it to have information overload
[21:56] <darkxst> screenshots and text'
[21:56] <aldomann2> nothing too complicated, something like this: http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/
[21:56] <amjjawad> satya164, that is exactly why I'm suggesting to do it like ToriOS website
[21:56] <amjjawad> one section for news, other for the rest of the info
[21:56] <satya164> Thanks ahoneybon
[21:57] <amjjawad> http://torios.org/
[21:57] <darkxst> amjjawad, that has way too much stuff on the homepage!
[21:57] <satya164> Yeah. In the mockup you can see that the only the latest post from blog is there. The blog will be fully separate
[21:58] <amjjawad> I think we should great a project on launchpad for the website and see who is interested to join .. I don't have much of plans for my wiki team so I can send my knights to the website project :D
[21:58] <amjjawad> darkxst, you mean http://torios.org/ ? have a look at the news tab ... it is a wordpress while the rest of the wbesite is simple HTML
[21:59] <amjjawad> satya164, which mean a sub-domain ??
[21:59] <satya164> Yes. The ToriOS website has a lot of stuff on the homepage
[21:59] <amjjawad> http://torios.org/ and http://torios.org/news/ are twoo different areas ... one HTML and one is WordPress
[21:59] <satya164> Yes, subdomain will be the best
[22:00] <darkxst> amjjawad, that seems pretty irrellevant
[22:00] <amjjawad> forget the details :D I'm talking about the idea of having the new section on a different place
[22:00] <satya164> I guess we all agree with the blog being separate
[22:00] <amjjawad> darkxst, what is your plan then to make our website showing the latest post only? instead of everything as now :(
[22:00] <aldomann2> I agree. I mean, there's a huge BLOG link in the home page, there's no need to furthuer integration
[22:00] <amjjawad> satya164, not sure darkxst agrees?
[22:01] <satya164> Yes. Coz the user visits the page usually to download
[22:01] <amjjawad> satya164, or to find some kind of information ...
[22:01] <satya164> And having the latest post could help in showing latest announcements
[22:02] <amjjawad> so, what darkxst thinks about that?
[22:02] <amjjawad> waiting for his opinion ..
[22:02] <stratus_ss_> sorry all i have to idle i am being called for supper
[22:02] <darkxst> I kind of think the homepage should show case the release
[22:02] <amjjawad> stratus_ss_, no worries enjoy your meal
[22:02] <satya164> Yeah, for information we can have the links in the header and footer. Most important ones at header
[22:02] <darkxst> if you want a seperate blog, thats fine
[22:03] <amjjawad> darkxst, it is just a suggestion ... you guys can think about it and vote later if you wish I don't mind
[22:03] <satya164> I agree on separate blog
[22:03] <amjjawad> take Xubuntu website for example ... it is super neat and organized
[22:04] <amjjawad> okay then, guess we agreed to have a separate blog?
[22:04] <amjjawad> please confirm all :)
[22:05] <aldomann2> yeah, but I think we could get the same final result as Xubuntu
[22:05] <amjjawad> if you wish, we can finish that on the mailing list
[22:05] <aldomann2> even if it's a separate page, if has the same theming
[22:05] <amjjawad> sure
[22:05] <aldomann2> that's fine
[22:05] <amjjawad> aldomann2, I'd like to have the same theme for sure
[22:05] <satya164> Yeah. It needs to have same look as our homepage
[22:05] <amjjawad> the idea is to get a more organized website
[22:05] <amjjawad> and more user friendly one
[22:06] <aldomann2> that's our goal :)
[22:06] <satya164> Yeah.
[22:06] <amjjawad> we have beautiful system :D
[22:06] <amjjawad> let's have a beautiful website :D
[22:06] <amjjawad> okay then, seems you all agreed on the separate blog with both theme ...
[22:07] <amjjawad> same theme* - sorry
[22:07] <aldomann2> yep, now I have somethig to discuss about the sections of the website
[22:07] <darkxst> yep
[22:07] <aldomann2> let's compare the mockup and the current website
[22:07] <amjjawad> #accepted agreed to have separate blog on our website for news with the same theme as the main site
[22:08] <aldomann2> as you can see, FAQ and Wiki have gained a more important place in the header
[22:08] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad todo the paperwork of the new suggestion for the website of Ubuntu GNOME to have a dedicated section for news with the same theme as the main site
[22:08] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad todo the paperwork of the new suggestion for the website of Ubuntu GNOME to have a dedicated section for news with the same theme as the main site
[22:08] <aldomann2> do you agree in this?
[22:09] <amjjawad> http://ubuntugnome.org/
[22:09] <darkxst> maybe the FAQ could move onto the wiki
[22:09] <aldomann2> or maintain two versions
[22:09] <aldomann2> I think it's nice to new users to have all the main info in the website
[22:10] <satya164> I agree
[22:10] <amjjawad> the main and basic info
[22:10] <amjjawad> if he/she wants more, then the wiki area is waiting
[22:10] <aldomann2> amjjawad, that's exactly what I have in mind
[22:10] <amjjawad> putting everything on the website is an overkill
[22:11] <aldomann2> somehitng like a "Know Ubuntu GNOME 101"
[22:11] <satya164> lol ^
[22:11] <amjjawad> to update that, you need ages and for new users, they will see a lot of information which might push them away
[22:12] <aldomann2> update what?
[22:12] <amjjawad> aldomann2, this is what darkxst was talking about about the tour
[22:12] <amjjawad> aldomann2, I'm saying if we put everything on the website, it would be an overkill to maintain that
[22:12] <amjjawad> that is why we put everything on our Wiki arae
[22:12] <satya164> Feature tour?
[22:12] <amjjawad> area *
[22:12] <amjjawad> yeah, if we have the tour thing, we could take the rest of the info out
[22:13] <amjjawad> just keep FAQs
[22:13] <aldomann2> I think we only have two sections: Home (tour, very simple, I repreat) and FAQ
[22:13] <amjjawad> and add : for more info, click here
[22:13] <amjjawad> then by clicking on that link, you direct them to our wiki
[22:13] <aldomann2> the rest are links
[22:13] <satya164> We can highlight 3-4 features or homepage. Everything else can be in the wiki
[22:14] <aldomann2> Yes, as in the mockup. Some screenshots and some text
[22:14] <amjjawad> I'd suggest to keep FAQs, and ask them to visit the Wiki for more info
[22:14] <amjjawad> one Q here
[22:14] <amjjawad> are we going to ask for our users opinion?
[22:14] <satya164> Yeah. I agree on separate FAQ
[22:14] <amjjawad> about the website new design
[22:14] <satya164> or at least if FAQ is inside Wiki, a direct link
[22:15] <amjjawad> satya164, FAQs could be a tab
[22:15] <satya164> A separate page, you mean?
[22:15] <amjjawad> instead of Documentation, we mention FAQs as a tab
[22:15] <aldomann2> yes, inside the site
[22:16] <satya164> A link at the header?
[22:16] <amjjawad> and when he/she hits FAQs Tab, there will be a link to direct them to the Wiki
[22:16] <amjjawad> http://ubuntugnome.org/
[22:16] <satya164> Yeah
[22:16] <amjjawad> see the website now, it has Documentation (long word)
[22:16] <amjjawad> instead, we could replace that with FAQs and add all the needed link inside that FAQs tab
[22:17] <satya164> Yeah
[22:17] <amjjawad> darkxst, what do you think?
[22:17] <darkxst> that is fine
[22:17] <amjjawad> ahoneybun,
[22:17] <amjjawad> aldomann2,
[22:18] <aldomann2> So... FAQ would link to the wiki or it will have some useful links to the Wiki?
[22:18] <amjjawad> now, it links to the Wiki
[22:18] <amjjawad> http://ubuntugnome.org/documentation/
[22:19] <aldomann2> but... http://ubuntugnome.org/documentation/faq/
[22:19] <amjjawad> I guess that was the old one
[22:19] <aldomann2> okay, I wasn't aware of that
[22:19] <amjjawad> when we started to add more info
[22:19] <darkxst> anyway I am not too concerned about the finer details, I will leave that up to you guys
[22:20] <amjjawad> it was an overkill for me to keep updating that arae
[22:20] <amjjawad> darkxst, yeah, and I guess we could carry on with that on the mailing list
[22:20] <aldomann2> if it's easier to the Wiki team, I agree with FAQ being just a link
[22:20] <satya164> Ok
[22:20] <amjjawad> aldomann2, I think we need to talk about that later maybe next week
[22:21] <amjjawad> we passed the one hour already for the meeting ...
[22:21] <aldomann2> that's true
[22:21] <amjjawad> that is why we have weekly meeting starting this week ;)
[22:21] <satya164> How about having our IRC on the website?
[22:21] <amjjawad> so, anything else?
[22:21] <satya164> ^
[22:21] <amjjawad> #action to carry on with the website talk on the mailing list and at the next week meeting
[22:21] <meetingology> ACTION: to carry on with the website talk on the mailing list and at the next week meeting
[22:22] <amjjawad> darkxst, are you going to attend the next week meeting?
[22:22] <amjjawad> or shall we confirm that later?
[22:22] <darkxst> will confirm later in the week
[22:23] <amjjawad> it is same time as this one for the next week in case darkxst is coming. Otherwise, it is 15:00 GMT
[22:23] <amjjawad> sure, no problem
[22:23] <amjjawad> anything else guys?
[22:23] <satya164> Wallpaper contest?
[22:23] <amjjawad> haha
[22:23] <amjjawad> satya164, next week ;)
[22:23] <satya164> Okies
[22:23] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad satya164 and aldomann2 to discuss about the Artwork stuff on next week
[22:23] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad satya164 and aldomann2 to discuss about the Artwork stuff on next week
[22:24] <aldomann2> what amjjawad says
[22:24] <satya164> So meeting over?
[22:24] <amjjawad> #action next week meeting will be at 21:00 GMT on Sunday and darkxst will confirm whether he will attend or not
[22:24] <meetingology> ACTION: next week meeting will be at 21:00 GMT on Sunday and darkxst will confirm whether he will attend or not
[22:24] <amjjawad> not yet
[22:24] <amjjawad> satya164, if you wish to add anything now?
[22:24] <satya164> Okay
[22:25] <amjjawad> or shall I just end it and go to zzz :P
[22:25] <aldomann2> go to sleep, my friend
[22:25] <satya164> I wanted to suggest having our IRC link on the website
[22:25] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad to set the agenda for next week meeting and ask the team to edit it
[22:25] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad to set the agenda for next week meeting and ask the team to edit it
[22:25] <amjjawad> satya164, it should be on the contact page?!
[22:25] <amjjawad> http://ubuntugnome.org/contact-us/
[22:25] <aldomann2> sure
[22:25] <amjjawad> it is there
[22:26] <satya164> Sure
[22:26] <amjjawad> okay then
[22:26] <amjjawad> I shall end it
[22:26] <satya164> I meant a web interface. Like Scrollback
[22:26] <aldomann2> I'd actually want to mix contact us and getting involved under "COMMUNITY"
[22:26] <amjjawad> darkxst, anything else boss?
[22:26] <aldomann2> but let's discuss that the next week
[22:26] <amjjawad> satya164, ah, you mean they can just start chatting right away?
[22:26] <satya164> Yes. That
[22:27] <amjjawad> hmmmm, for next week I guess
[22:27] <satya164> Okay.
[22:27] <amjjawad> #action we need to discuss in more details about website next week amjjawad aldomann2 and satya164
[22:27] <meetingology> ACTION: we need to discuss in more details about website next week amjjawad aldomann2 and satya164
[22:28] <amjjawad> #action discuss on the next week meeting whether to create a project on Launchpad for the new website or not amjjawad
[22:28] <meetingology> ACTION: discuss on the next week meeting whether to create a project on Launchpad for the new website or not amjjawad
[22:28] <amjjawad> thank you everyone for attending
[22:28] <amjjawad> it was very very helpful meeting
[22:28] <satya164> Could the meeting be shifted to 24 hours before the current time ?
[22:28] <amjjawad> cya next week same time and day and I shall send the details later
[22:28] <amjjawad> you mean Sat?
[22:28] <satya164> Yes
[22:29] <amjjawad> only for next week meeting?
[22:29] <satya164> Coz for me it's Monday
[22:29] <satya164> No. All
[22:29] <amjjawad> Ahaaaa
[22:29] <aldomann2> I think Sat as a regular meeting day would be nice
[22:29] <amjjawad> darkxst,
[22:29] <amjjawad> Sunday is the only day that darkxst can attend :(
[22:29] <satya164> Yeah. I need to go to office in 4 hours ;)
[22:29] <amjjawad> OMG :/
[22:29] <satya164> Ohh :(
[22:30] <satya164> Actually 5-6 hours
[22:30] <amjjawad> #action satya164 is having problems with Sunday Time meetings - amjjawad to check whether we could do something about it or not and check with darkxst
[22:30] <meetingology> ACTION: satya164 is having problems with Sunday Time meetings - amjjawad to check whether we could do something about it or not and check with darkxst
[22:30] <amjjawad> we shall talk about it later ;)
[22:30] <hiren90> nice meeting
[22:30] <satya164> Okay. Thanks
[22:30] <amjjawad> I put a note for that
[22:30] <amjjawad> satya164, you're more than welcome
[22:31] <amjjawad> #endmeeting
[22:31] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Jun 22 22:31:39 2014 UTC.
[22:31] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-gnome/2014/ubuntu-gnome.2014-06-22-21.05.moin.txt
[22:31] <amjjawad> phew
[22:31] <satya164> So. Everyone, goodnight.
[22:31] <satya164> Going to bed.
[22:31] <amjjawad> good night and so sorry to keep you awake
[22:31] <satya164> np ;)
[22:31] <aldomann2> good night everyone
[22:32] <amjjawad> aldomann2, good night my friend
[22:32] <amjjawad> and I must go too ZzZz
[22:32] <amjjawad> cya everyone
[22:32] <aldomann2> cya
[22:32] <amjjawad> thanks for attending