[14:10] Is there a meeting planned in this channel? [14:11] Not that I know of, check the schedule [17:21] How can I permanetly set my displays how I have them at this moment ? I upgraded to 14.04 and lost whatever I did last time to make my Displays persist [17:29] charlie_sanders, I'm having this problem too. I think it'is a login phase problem. If you connect the monitors after the login, your settings should be preserved === prth_ is now known as prth [20:46] so, when a window is on a different desktop than the active one, is X still rendering that window? [20:47] Anyone here? [20:50] No, no one is here :P [20:50] who are you? do I know you? :P [20:50] Yes. You do ;) [20:50] hahahaha [20:50] lol [20:51] does anyone know X really well? [20:51] Who is X again? [20:52] who is X? [20:52] I know Z [20:52] amjjawad Z for Zorro? [20:53] hmmm or zombie :P [20:53] So, you know zombies! Kind of awkward... [20:53] amjjawad when is the meeting BTW? [20:54] in 6 mins ;) [20:54] Good ;) [20:55] hey, lads [20:55] I thought Polari would show notifications, I was wrong [20:55] hey hey hey [20:55] all the gang is here, I see [20:55] :P [20:56] I'm so bad and tired hehe [20:56] I have no idea how can I focus [20:57] I must wash my face [20:59] And I'm chatting from my mobile ;p [21:00] quiet in here tonight [21:00] satya164, make sure not to fall asleep :P [21:00] 44 people, that's great :) [21:00] nuh, not all are online [21:01] I'm great at that ;) [21:01] I mean, they appear online but not everyone is here I guess [21:01] satya164, tell me about it :D [21:01] So, we have the same traits. lol [21:01] hehe [21:01] #chair amjjawad [21:02] ops, I messed up hehe [21:02] I'm so sleepy :D [21:02] okay, some slaps on the face work :D [21:02] any idea how can I make the font bigger here? [21:02] try putting your face in a bowl with cold ice :P [21:02] lol. Not my competitor. lol [21:02] using xchat [21:03] no idea, I've never used it before [21:03] oh ok [21:03] I did, but forgot [21:03] I shall start then [21:03] Yeah [21:03] no worries [21:04] Tim is not here yet [21:04] :( [21:04] #startmeeting Utopic Unicorn Roadmap for Ubuntu GNOME [21:04] Meeting started Sun Jun 22 21:05:19 2014 UTC. The chair is amjjawad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [21:04] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [21:05] i'm sure he will wake up soon [21:05] so, who is available? [21:05] o/ [21:05] wait... its like 12:00 hist local time i think on a monday [21:05] he replied my email to the list saying he will be here [21:06] so guess he will catch up soon hopefully :D [21:06] o/ [21:07] #topic Ubuntu GNOME meetings for UU-Cycle [21:07] hello and welcome everyone and thanks for attending :) this is our first meeting for UU Cycle :) [21:07] o/ [21:08] Before we start, I just want to make sure everyone is aware of our new meeting plan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Meetings [21:08] we shall have weekly meetings as per the wiki page that I just sent :) [21:08] this is fixed so please everyone, show some commitment :D [21:08] any Q? [21:08] o/ [21:08] sure [21:09] stratus_ss_, what is your Q? [21:09] I think he was just saying he's here ;) [21:09] ohhh ok ... [21:09] sorry that was delayed from the who was here [21:09] no problem :) [21:10] ya sorry commotion around me... wife fighting with her mother :P [21:10] very loud [21:10] #topic Discussing Utopic Unicorn Blueprints [21:10] hey, look who is here :D [21:10] Tim is here [21:10] the boss is here [21:10] welcome darkxst ;) [21:10] Welcome darkxst [21:10] some white tea darkxst ? :P [21:11] we have started but nothing serious yet ;) [21:11] so, let's start the serious part [21:11] did everyone have a look at: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/ubuntu-gnome-utopic-unicorn-roadmap [21:12] the general and main changes in this cycle will be, as always, on our system AND our community [21:13] o/ [21:13] on the community side, there are some changes that I'd like to do ... for example, some Sub-Teams are not working as such ... mostly, it is one-man job or task and this is not really good :( we need to get the best of the sub-teams. Each Sub-Teams must work as such :) [21:13] Don't you agree? [21:13] welcome Noskcaj ;) [21:14] For example amjjawad [21:14] ? [21:14] I think its a good idea Ali, but sometimes its easier to have the idea then implement [21:14] i agree, but it's probably best we still have the teams. the issue is a lack of people [21:14] satya164, example Ubuntu GNOME communications team is ... sorry to say, not active at all. [21:15] Ubuntu GNOME brainstorming is even in worse condition [21:15] For me, as a member and leader of the Artwork team, I think me and Satyajit will be able to work as a team now that we have time to properly plan stuff [21:15] the only active sub-teams are: Artwork, Packaging, Doc and Wiki and I usually do the rest myself [21:16] Noskcaj, we do have people, they just don't do anything [21:16] hi all [21:16] that is why, we need to review all the sub-teams and give more freedom for each sub-team to do something but at the same time, everyone must go back to his/her TL [21:16] Hi Tim! [21:16] darkxst, hello :D [21:17] the main problem which is important ... I don't have the time nor the energy to carry on all by myself ... [21:17] So, some work with a deadline? [21:17] you may all have noticed that I'm not super active as I used to be. This is because I do a lot all by myself and this is not good at all. [21:18] satya164, no deadline, we just need to get the best out of our sub-teams, that is all. [21:18] Yeah true. I'll do whatever I can to help [21:18] Wiki and Doc are the best sub-team so far and so the Artwork and packaging [21:18] Yeah, the main question is how to get the best of or sub teams [21:18] satya164, good Q :) [21:18] We need to clean up. [21:19] it is all about quality not quantity [21:19] Yep, I'm not even sure how many sub teams we have [21:19] heheh [21:19] The automatic expiry will take care of cleaning of inactive members. Isn't it? [21:19] aldomann, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams [21:19] yep, that is for sure satya164 [21:20] yep, and time has proven that fact to be right [21:20] but what I really have in mind is ... for example ... the marketing team should do marketing. the brainstorming team should do the planning and thinking ... and so on [21:20] we don't need sub-teams names sitting on launchpad ;) [21:20] So, my suggestion would be to divide work into small chunks [21:20] we need something useful ... [21:21] And assign work with a deadline [21:21] actually, no re-structure is required [21:21] The deadline doesn't need to be hard [21:21] the deadline is the release day [21:21] but we need to define the work each sub-team does [21:21] Just a deadline, so we can keep track of the performance [21:21] with each cycle, our main deadline is the release of the cycle we are in [21:21] aldomann, indeed brother [21:22] that is why I wrote everything here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming [21:22] amjjawad: maybe use trello? [21:22] i also like the idea of deadlines [21:22] it helps structure my weeks [21:22] this is the main blueprint that has each and every blueprint for all the sub-teams of Ubuntu GNOME [21:22] https://trello.com/ [21:22] That's the thing. I think since the deadline is release day, everyone thinks we still have time. No rush [21:22] satya164, that is true and that is the problem :D [21:23] we have no time ... [21:23] ahoneybun, what is that? [21:23] release day is not really the deadline, feature freeze is [21:23] So setting a deadline could help [21:23] darkxst, indeed but that is system wise [21:23] amjjawad: website to keep track of projects [21:23] I'm referring to the community wise [21:23] Trello is a project management software [21:23] Kubuntu uses it [21:23] Nuh, Launchpad is great tool [21:23] we don't need to use something else, really [21:24] The tools of the trade are only useful if someone is working [21:24] so, I don't think there is enough time to go through all the blueprints of all the sub-teams now. I expected that everyone of you have seen it already? [21:25] did you guys see it? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming [21:25] yep [21:25] by tomorrow, these blueprints must be approved :P [21:25] so, if you have any Q, please ask [21:25] I just had a look are the artworks part [21:25] I didn't add a lot [21:25] except one sub-team I added 5 items for it [21:26] but the rest, I usually set 3 tasks only for each sub-team [21:26] So, first thing, our website [21:26] for example: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/brainstorming-utopic-unicorn-roadmap [21:26] i read through the brainstorming when you first sent them out [21:27] stratus_ss_, that is good to know [21:27] but its been a little while, i swapped that info to disk, so its being slowly cached [21:27] as you all know, I take care of the community side of the project while darkxst takes care of the technical side. BUT we do need your help :) [21:27] yes, the website should be (for the Artwork and Marketing teams) one of the first things to work on, so that Niels can start drafting the website [21:28] aldomann, I will get into this shortly [21:28] but before I do, I want to make sure everyone is aware of what I'm talking about and how important our roadmaps are [21:28] ok, no problem [21:28] each sub-team has its own roadmap [21:28] I hope this is clear? [21:28] yeah [21:28] aye [21:28] I have a suggestion that I didn't actually put that on a roadmap or anything [21:29] what about having a team of the TLs? [21:29] What is TL? [21:29] all the TLs in one place to vote for anything related to the system? [21:29] Team Leader [21:29] That'd be great, actually [21:30] Yeah. [21:30] because we at least can make sure the TLs are active enough and available to vote [21:30] and I'm also thinking to give admin access on Launchpad for someone who could be acting TL [21:30] amjjawad: a council? [21:30] which means, if the TL is away, he/she will be the activing [21:30] acting * [21:30] indeed [21:30] kind of ahoneybun [21:31] Sounds good [21:31] the acting TL is very needed ... very [21:31] each TL of each Sub-Team should trust at least one of his members [21:31] For instance I'm subscribed to all the mailing lists to be sure everything that can be related to the Artwork team gets to my eyes, having a "Council" would allow us TL to call for help when in need to any sub team [21:31] so he/she can assign the task of acting TL for him/her whenever he/she is away [21:32] aldomann, it will give more control for the TL to manage the team actually [21:32] no strict roles, let's do this as a voting council only for this cycle and let's see how it goes [21:32] what do you all asy? [21:32] say* [21:33] Age [21:33] agree [21:33] Agree* [21:33] Stupid spellchecker [21:33] darkxst, and aldomann and stratus_ss_ ? [21:34] A huge yes from my part. I have seen some teams (when I was very involved in elementary l10n teams) because of the inactivity of the TL [21:34] so to sum up you are saying [21:34] some teams die* [21:34] you want to have regular meetings of the TL to make sure they are active [21:34] and then activities for the project as a whole are voted on [21:34] stratus_ss_, that was the first topic I started the meeting with :P [21:35] yep [21:35] these are the two main tasks for now for that council [21:35] weekly meetings + voting for anything [21:35] and also we assign the acting TL for each Sub-Team. [21:35] I already know some names ;) [21:35] it makes sense to me, (as a non TL) [21:36] okay then, all agree except darkxst didn't yet hear from him? === aldomann_ is now known as aldomann [21:38] okay not sure where is darkxst but since everyone agreed, I guess it is accepted :D [21:38] when votes occur are they required to be unanimous? [21:38] or do we have kind of an accepted standard for vote splitting [21:38] i.e. requires 80% to be accepted? [21:38] #accepted Ubuntu GNOME Team Leaders Team/Council + Acting TL for each sub-team [21:39] majority [21:39] if say we're 7 [21:39] majority being 50% + 1 [21:39] 4 voted yes 3 voted no [21:39] it is yes [21:39] hmmm, yep [21:39] better 50%+1 [21:39] #action amjjawad to do the paper work of "Ubuntu GNOME Team Leaders Team/Council + Acting TL for each sub-team" [21:39] ACTION: amjjawad to do the paper work of "Ubuntu GNOME Team Leaders Team/Council + Acting TL for each sub-team" [21:40] #topic Ubuntu GNOME HR Sub-Team [21:40] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team [21:40] * darkxst is back now ;) [21:40] have you seen this guys? [21:41] I want a very quick yes or no to that idea ;) [21:41] so is this supposed to be a subset [21:41] so we move to the system part of our meeting [21:41] of marketing [21:41] better a new sub-team [21:41] I used to do all the recruiting but we need to find more than one person to do so ... or it could be part of the marketing [21:41] so then what is the purpose of marketing? just simply pimping the brand? [21:42] marketing now has translations within [21:42] I think it is a good idea, but for it to work, I think the HR team needs to be active up to the contribution stage [21:42] i made the assumption it was part marketing [21:42] darkxst, sure thing [21:42] we need at least 2-3 people only [21:42] as a start ... [21:42] How would the team work? [21:43] stratus_ss_, the marketing and communications team is the team that is in charge of marketing Ubuntu GNOME to the entire wold + communicate with people within the community and outside [21:43] aldomann, hunt people and bring them to our team :D [21:43] stratus_ss_: as in social networks? [21:44] yeah, but how? via social networks, forums, etc? [21:44] stratus_ss_, sadly, the marketing and comms team is not yet active ... on the social media channels, I do all the posting alone [21:44] isn't that already the purpose of our social media pages? [21:44] Writing blog posts about what is going on could help, like weekly [21:44] aldomann, social media will be one side of the coin ... we need to start recruiting from real life as well [21:44] amjjawad, that is unforunate... if there is no marketing then i guess there would be no recruiting [21:45] satya164, this is INDEED what I want in this cycle ... I want the marketing team to write each and everything we do daily so that we keep our channels as busy as possible [21:45] just finding the people is not enough, as we have seen in the past, lots of people offer to help then just disappear [21:45] Real life? Meaning people who we could meet? [21:45] darkxst, indeed :( [21:46] satya164, I mean by real life each one of us ask his real life friends, colleagues, etc to join [21:46] those of us who are still go to school, etc can help a lot [21:46] I've seen Mozilla guys. They are very much active. They meet, discuss things etc. [21:46] live contact is much better than writing [21:46] Keeps them motivated [21:47] we don't need a lot of people, we need the most active people [21:47] Sorry, Polari keeps disconnecting [21:47] Yeah. True. [21:47] aldomann2, no worries [21:47] I agree about someone writing the blog [21:47] so, if you guys think we should go ahead with HR, let me know ;) [21:47] agree all? or you think it is not good idea? [21:47] let's vote [21:47] +1 [21:47] With the new website we could focus in that part [21:47] aldomann2, indeed ;) [21:48] +1 [21:48] +1 [21:48] aldomann2 http://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome [21:48] +1 [21:48] #accepted https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team [21:48] +1 [21:48] #action amjjawad to take care of the paperwork of: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team [21:48] ACTION: amjjawad to take care of the paperwork of: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team [21:49] #topic Discussing Website design [21:49] aldomann2, are you guys ready? [21:49] I have a mockup [21:49] satya164, interesting :D [21:50] aldomann2 can you show it? [21:50] could it be a link that you can add to the whitebaord of the blueprints? [21:50] It's on the mailing list [21:50] I'm on mobile [21:50] okay, no worries, we can see that later [21:50] http://cl.ly/image/031I1y2o1r0D [21:50] If satya164 hasn't made any modification, that's the mockup [21:50] wordpress, right? [21:51] I didn't [21:51] that looks nice, i like the default background in the header [21:51] it is simple and short [21:51] It's a mockup. We need to code it as a WordPress theme I guess [21:52] I don't mind that one but I'd suggest to look at as many suggestions as possible [21:52] let me share what I have in mind for our website [21:52] Niels Vermaut, who is not here as I can see, is gonna help with the coding [21:52] have a look at: http://torios.org/ - forget the design [21:52] and http://torios.org/news/ [21:53] there is a dedicated area for 'news'. [21:53] this means, if you like the idea, we could do the same ... our website could have two areas one for daily or regular news [21:53] one area for information that stay there and updated only when needed [21:53] That'd be the purpose of the "Blog" section, right? [21:54] Isn't the dedicated news area will be the blog? [21:54] aldomann2, more or less yes [21:54] we really should have a features/tour page for the latest release as well [21:54] but what I have in mind is actually take out the blog side of the current website to a dedicated area [21:54] darkxst, I highly agree [21:54] Yeah. [21:54] ok [21:54] you think the Wiki Team could help? darkxst [21:55] sort of a quick guide? [21:55] how about the main page: download button and feature tour? [21:55] aldomann2, yep [21:55] satya164: solid work [21:55] aldomann2, seems good to me [21:56] but who should do the tour? [21:56] is that going to be a graphical one? or text? or both? [21:56] The main page should have as few things as possible in my opinion. After all, it's our landing page [21:56] it seems that the website project will be big one ;) [21:56] We won't want it to have information overload [21:56] screenshots and text' [21:56] nothing too complicated, something like this: http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ [21:56] satya164, that is exactly why I'm suggesting to do it like ToriOS website [21:56] one section for news, other for the rest of the info [21:56] Thanks ahoneybon [21:57] http://torios.org/ [21:57] amjjawad, that has way too much stuff on the homepage! [21:57] Yeah. In the mockup you can see that the only the latest post from blog is there. The blog will be fully separate [21:58] I think we should great a project on launchpad for the website and see who is interested to join .. I don't have much of plans for my wiki team so I can send my knights to the website project :D [21:58] darkxst, you mean http://torios.org/ ? have a look at the news tab ... it is a wordpress while the rest of the wbesite is simple HTML [21:59] satya164, which mean a sub-domain ?? [21:59] Yes. The ToriOS website has a lot of stuff on the homepage [21:59] http://torios.org/ and http://torios.org/news/ are twoo different areas ... one HTML and one is WordPress [21:59] Yes, subdomain will be the best [22:00] amjjawad, that seems pretty irrellevant [22:00] forget the details :D I'm talking about the idea of having the new section on a different place [22:00] I guess we all agree with the blog being separate [22:00] darkxst, what is your plan then to make our website showing the latest post only? instead of everything as now :( [22:00] I agree. I mean, there's a huge BLOG link in the home page, there's no need to furthuer integration [22:00] satya164, not sure darkxst agrees? [22:01] Yes. Coz the user visits the page usually to download [22:01] satya164, or to find some kind of information ... [22:01] And having the latest post could help in showing latest announcements [22:02] so, what darkxst thinks about that? [22:02] waiting for his opinion .. [22:02] sorry all i have to idle i am being called for supper [22:02] I kind of think the homepage should show case the release [22:02] stratus_ss_, no worries enjoy your meal [22:02] Yeah, for information we can have the links in the header and footer. Most important ones at header [22:02] if you want a seperate blog, thats fine [22:03] darkxst, it is just a suggestion ... you guys can think about it and vote later if you wish I don't mind [22:03] I agree on separate blog [22:03] take Xubuntu website for example ... it is super neat and organized [22:04] okay then, guess we agreed to have a separate blog? [22:04] please confirm all :) [22:05] yeah, but I think we could get the same final result as Xubuntu [22:05] if you wish, we can finish that on the mailing list [22:05] even if it's a separate page, if has the same theming [22:05] sure [22:05] that's fine [22:05] aldomann2, I'd like to have the same theme for sure [22:05] Yeah. It needs to have same look as our homepage [22:05] the idea is to get a more organized website [22:05] and more user friendly one [22:06] that's our goal :) [22:06] Yeah. [22:06] we have beautiful system :D [22:06] let's have a beautiful website :D [22:06] okay then, seems you all agreed on the separate blog with both theme ... [22:07] same theme* - sorry [22:07] yep, now I have somethig to discuss about the sections of the website [22:07] yep [22:07] let's compare the mockup and the current website [22:07] #accepted agreed to have separate blog on our website for news with the same theme as the main site [22:08] as you can see, FAQ and Wiki have gained a more important place in the header [22:08] #action amjjawad todo the paperwork of the new suggestion for the website of Ubuntu GNOME to have a dedicated section for news with the same theme as the main site [22:08] ACTION: amjjawad todo the paperwork of the new suggestion for the website of Ubuntu GNOME to have a dedicated section for news with the same theme as the main site [22:08] do you agree in this? [22:09] http://ubuntugnome.org/ [22:09] maybe the FAQ could move onto the wiki [22:09] or maintain two versions [22:09] I think it's nice to new users to have all the main info in the website [22:10] I agree [22:10] the main and basic info [22:10] if he/she wants more, then the wiki area is waiting [22:10] amjjawad, that's exactly what I have in mind [22:10] putting everything on the website is an overkill [22:11] somehitng like a "Know Ubuntu GNOME 101" [22:11]