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ochosihi everyone, i'm back09:01
Noskcajhey ochosi 09:02
ochosihey Noskcaj 09:03
ochosiwhat's up?09:03
Noskcajnot much09:07
Noskcajjust trying to get the stupid devel pc to work09:07
Noskcajyou?09:07
elfyhi ochosi :)09:09
ochosii was in the mountains09:32
ochosihence no connectivity for a few days09:32
ochosijust saying, the upcoming week will be a bit difficult again, moving countries again09:33
elfyokeydoke09:33
ochosianyway, saw the sru made progress, so that's good to hear09:34
ochosithanks a bunch for that bluesabre 09:34
ochosi(and everyone else involved)09:34
ochosiwhat else did i miss?09:34
elfytumbleweed mostly from what I can see :)09:34
elfyI've seen about 10 lines in here since you said "just as a notice, i'll be offline from tomorrow until the weekend"09:35
ochosiheh09:36
ochosiwell could be that i missed stuff on other channels09:36
ochosior that you decided to create a channel where you can nag about me :)09:36
elfy:)09:36
elfyI'd do that in here :p09:36
ochosiheh09:39
ochosibluesabre: reminder about the upload-rights application10:30
elfyochosi: you got any idea when the blueprints have to be finalised and approved by -release?10:36
ochosielfy: not really tbh10:48
ochosiknome: how did you handle that ^ ?10:48
elfyochosi: knome is off till Monday afaik10:50
ochosiah ok10:52
ochosiwill try to figure that out asap though10:52
ochosihaving said that, we don't have many workitems on our blueprints for this release anyhow10:52
bluesabreochosi: been making steady progress on that10:58
bluesabrewill finish today10:58
ochosinice!10:59
ochosijust thought as i had been away i'd put up a reminder10:59
bluesabrehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeanDavis/DeveloperApplication11:01
bluesabrejust gotta add fluff to the bottom11:01
bluesabreochosi, elfy, want to brainstorm together today about what we want to add to the blueprints for this release11:02
bluesabreI'd be game11:02
bluesabre:)11:02
bluesabreI'll be around most of the day11:02
bluesabrebrb, starbucks run11:03
ochosibluesabre: i'll run off for lunch in a bit, but i'll also be back after that11:06
ochosibbabl11:23
Unit193ochosi: I could use an Xubu ack from you, but not sure it's needed. :P13:04
knomei'm back14:02
bluesabrewb knome14:02
knometa ta bluesabre 14:02
elfyhi knome wb14:03
knomeochosi, technically by feature freeze, but anything that suits you14:03
knomehey elfy, and ta :)14:03
elfybluesabre: I'm about off and on all day - when ochosi is I'm game for that 14:03
Unit193knome: We should review blueprints. :(14:04
knomeUnit193, yeah? who we? :P14:04
bluesabreknome, well, now we have me/ochosi/Unit193/elfy/you14:05
bluesabre:)14:05
knomebasically the XPL should approve the direction14:05
Unit193knome: Okay.16:29
ochosiUnit193: what xubuntu ack where?16:34
Unit193ochosi: lp #1000416, unless I'm wrong?16:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1000416 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Thunar Dropbox" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100041616:35
ochosidone16:38
ochosithanks Unit193 16:38
Unit193Thank you.16:38
ochosiwasn't aware of that bugreport16:38
ochosibluesabre: great, that (someone having trouble with nouveau drivers) is exactly what i hate about the black-screen bug. people just think any bug with suspending is related to this one... :/16:40
ochosithanks for debugging that though with the user16:40
Unit193Same thing for the other package I presume?16:46
ochosiother package?16:47
bluesabreochosi: yup16:56
ochosielfy: around?16:57
elfyfor ~ 10 minutes - be about properly in an hour or so16:59
ochosihmkay16:59
ochosiwell let's start with the 10minutes then16:59
ochosii guess we have everything bp-related on trello already?16:59
elfyafaik we have16:59
ochosiok16:59
ochosias i said, we don't have many blueprints at the moment17:00
elfyyep17:01
ochosii guess the two transitions we have ahead this cycle is upower0.99 and systemd17:01
ochosiapart from that, so far we haven't really put down any features17:01
elfynot sure that systemd will be this cycle 17:01
ochosiright17:02
elfyit's about and usable is all I think17:02
ochosihm, well i guess we don't have to do much about that17:02
ochosithere are more problems with upower17:02
ochosibecause xfce4-session needs to be patched17:02
ochosithe thing is: i'd want to get rid of light-locker-settings in 14.10 or 15.04 the latest17:03
ochosiinclude everything we need in xfce4-power-manager17:03
ochosibut then again, this will be done upstream, that's why it's not a workitem here17:03
ochosielfy: if you wanna test the new power-manager by the way, would be great to get more feedback on it17:03
ochosii can see that we get some ppa or something set up17:04
elfyneeds to be somewhere even if it's not a workitem so the team know about what's going on17:04
elfyI'd obviously be happy to do that - better on ppa I guess17:04
ochosiUnit193: could you set up something daily for xfpm?17:04
elfythough how much testing we'd see by testers I'm not very convinced over17:05
elfydead as a dodo - seems to be *buntu not just us though17:05
ochosiyeah, no worries17:05
ochosithe next release is no LTS17:06
elfyochosi: I can though test it on hardware - laptop and desktop 17:06
ochosii understand that having a team is great, but as long as at least we ourselves test the things we work on a lot, that's already okayish17:06
elfy:)17:06
ochosiyes, actually for xfpm laptop+desktop would be great17:06
ochosii only have a laptop, so..17:06
elfyyep17:07
ochosijust recently included some optimizations for desktops17:07
ochosithe other thing we could mention is the upcoming parole release that we've started working towards17:07
elfycool17:08
ochosibluesabre: any other ideas for blueprint items etc?17:08
bluesabredisplay settings?17:08
ochosiright, that too17:08
bluesabreany date yet for 4.12? still up in the air, I presume?17:09
ochosibut other than the upstream work we're doing :)17:09
ochosii talked to NSchermer a longer while ago (~3weeks) and we're targetting october17:09
ochosiwhich is too late for 14.1017:09
ochosibut nvm, i'd say17:09
ochosii'm hoping that quite a bit of hacking is going down in the summer17:09
elfyI've gtg - back in a while 17:09
ochosiok, ttyl elfy 17:09
ochosibluesabre: mind to add parole and display-settings to the trello board?17:10
bluesabresure17:10
bluesabreoh, and keyboard overlay, I might get to that shortly17:10
bluesabrebeen pretty motivated lately :)17:10
ochosiand then i guess we should create daily recipes for these items and throw them at our xubuntu-dev PPA17:10
ochosihehe, yeah, quite nice actually17:10
ochosii've also trying to get things done17:11
ochosi+been17:11
ochosiwhat's the state of the display dialog btw?17:11
ochosii haven't been able to test multihead for a few weeks now...17:12
bluesabrejust some testing and minor fixes left17:12
Unit193ochosi: Is imported?17:12
bluesabreits more reliable now than its been before17:12
ochosiUnit193: please pleeeease, you have to be more verbose with me...17:12
bluesabrebeen using vbox to test crazy multihead (4-8 displays) setups17:12
ochosibluesabre: awesome sauce. not sure btw if we shouldn't postpone the cairo-drawn minimal dialog a bit to get what we have out17:13
Unit193I have to English?17:13
bluesabreyeah17:13
bluesabreif you get to it, great, if not, great too :D17:13
ochosiUnit193: :) thing is 1) i haven't been around for a few days, then i always feel a bit lost in the beginning17:14
ochosi2) i'm not a mindreader and i don't always have everything nicely organized in my head17:14
ochosiso 1) what other package and 2) daily setup for xfpm and display dialog?17:14
Unit193Heh, my brain is dead too.  Is Xfpm imported into LP somewhere?17:14
ochosiah :)17:15
ochositbh i'm not sure17:15
ochosiit has been dead for so long, that i could imagine that there is some dead import somewhere17:15
ochosibut you'll see that anyhow when you try to set up the import ;)17:15
Unit193Also, I can't publish to -dev, so...17:15
bluesabrelooks like vcs-imports are blocked17:15
bluesabrehttps://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/xfce4-power-manager/trunk17:15
ochosiUnit193: can you set it up so either me or bluesabre can copy it there?17:16
ochosii mean the recipe17:16
bluesabrerecipes are easy, but that import needs to be cleared17:16
Unit193http://launchpadlibrarian.net/73117280/vcs-imports-xfce4-power-manager-trunk.log how useful.17:16
Unit193bluesabre: 0.3.0+date! :P17:17
* ochosi looks17:17
bluesabreI used to do version numbers like that17:17
bluesabreuntil launchpad told me no17:17
bluesabre:D17:17
Unit193bluesabre: It's because they're cheating, it's annoying.  You can set it as non-native, but LP forces daily builds as 3 (native) which can't have a dash.17:18
ochosiso, err, what can we do to resolve that?17:19
Unit193Poke #launchpad?17:19
* ochosi join #launchpad17:20
ochosihuhu17:20
ochosii guess that channel won't be very active on a sunday...17:20
Unit193Well, and other pkg is xfdash. :P17:25
ochosiyeah, but frankly, i'm fine with that one in a PPA for now17:25
ochosiit's still in active development and hasn't really "settled"17:26
Unit193Alrighty-o.17:26
ochosiit didn't feel "ready" last time i tried it17:26
Unit193Wasn't sure if 0.2.0 was a sign or not.17:26
Unit193Then, I'll forget about that one, cool.17:26
ochosiyeah, could be, but we should get it some testing first17:31
ochosihaven't even tried it myself yet...17:31
Unit193Noskcaj: Around?  xfce4-dev-tools in Debian, I'm pretty sure the homepage isn't "foo-projects.org", whereas http://users.xfce.org/~benny/projects/xfce4-dev-tools/ might not be the best, it's sure better. :)17:36
Unit1934.11.0 is in Debian Experimental, too.17:39
ochosigood17:39
Unit1934.11.0 also hit exp, but that'd have to be merged.17:44
elfyochosi: back if you need me still17:51
ochosii guess we'll try to set up PPAs for you for parole, xfce4-power-manager, xfce4-settings17:53
Unit193>_<17:53
Unit1934.11.0 of xfce4-session, I need sleep.17:53
ochosiwe'll sort that out with Unit193 and bluesabre i guess17:53
Unit193ochosi: Didn't you already have a parole one?17:54
elfyochosi: ok17:54
ochosiUnit193: yeah, there's one for parole already17:54
elfyppa?17:54
ochosibut i want everything in one place when we ask people to test17:54
elfyaah - saved me typing that out :)17:54
ochosiheh17:54
bluesabre:)17:54
ochosiwell, i guess i can always copy over packages manually from the daily PPA to testing17:54
bluesabreparole-daily is in my personal https://launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/+archive/xfce-4.12-daily17:55
bluesabre(ignore that crap panel build)17:55
ochosiactually you could move your stuff to xubuntu-dev, now that you have access...17:55
ochosidoesn't really make sense to keep things too personal anymore i guess17:56
ochosiafter all, you *are* the xubuntu-dev lead ;)17:56
bluesabreyeah, not sure we have anything really fitting of daily builds17:56
elfy:)17:56
bluesabreI'll consider transitioning a few over today17:58
bluesabrestill working on fixing this place up :)17:58
ochosiheh sure17:59
elfybluesabre: just keep it quiet till the XPL disappears for days again :p17:59
* ochosi cuts some slack and hands it to bluesabre 17:59
ochosieeeeh, do i sense some sarcasm there? :p17:59
bluesabre:D17:59
ochosiat least i announce my disappearance18:00
bluesabre:D18:00
* elfy could have just sent some slack - I've got it all packed in easy to handle quantities :)18:00
* ochosi cuts himself some slack18:00
elfyochosi: ha ha ha 18:00
* bluesabre has a slack sandwich18:00
elfybeen cutting slack for ~40 years so have some kicking about 18:00
ochosiyummy18:00
elfyI just realised that I completely screwed up the meeting this week 18:01
elfyset it for the 25th :| 18:01
elfyochosi: meant to set it for tomorrow for you 18:01
Unit193ochosi: Had you reviewed the proposals for Utopic?18:02
elfyand slickymaster asked me if I could move it and I STILL didn't notice 18:02
ochosielfy: oops, didn't notice that myself...18:02
ochosii guess it's a bit late to change that now18:02
elfyI guess so 18:02
ochosii'll try to be there, but as i'm moving on friday, i can#18:02
ochosit promise18:02
elfyyea18:03
ochosionly so few days left here..18:03
elfyyou're choosing the next one 18:03
ochosiUnit193: which ones?18:03
ochosielfy: well that'll be comparably easy, as i'll be home..18:03
elfy:)18:03
Unit193ochosi: Mainly the ones that'd touch the seed, want that uploaded.  Desktop revamp/inxi/hexchat.18:03
Unit193elfy: We could actually test without the new seed, were we going to test apt-get method?18:04
elfyinxi is great - till people use it in channel18:04
elfyUnit193: remind me about that 18:04
Unit193/exec - -o inxi -c0 -Gxxx | pastebinit18:04
Unit193elfy: Hmm?18:04
elfyUnit193: yes - you know, I know - not everyone does18:04
Unit193Hah. :D18:05
ochosiok, first off, whatever happened to testing -core?18:05
ochosithen, could you link me up Unit193 ?18:05
Unit193ochosi: Was stalled on uploading seed, which was stalled on proposals.18:05
Unit193But, if we don't want to test  apt-get install --no-install-recommends  as it's not really the supported way to install...18:06
elfyoh right 18:06
ochosiremind me, why was it stalled on proposals?18:07
Unit193Because inxi and hexchat would be seed changes.18:07
Unit193(If accepted, and the second one really should be. :P )18:07
ochosiright, but how does that affect core though?18:08
elfyhexchat is good - but I wonder how responsive devs are for it18:08
ochosifrankly, i have no idea how active xchat is18:08
ochosihaven't used it in sooo long...18:09
Unit193elfy: Better than ones that haven't done a thing in years.  The maintainer is good, talked to him before.18:09
elfyI think xchat is moribund 18:09
ochosiUnit193: that sounds good18:09
Unit193ochosi: Oh, I don't either, but built-in SASL?  I'm sold already.18:09
ochosiUnit193: didn't you write a proposal for hexchat before? link plz?18:09
Unit193Only reason not to is xchat-indicator, and that could be fixed with https://launchpad.net/hexchat-indicator18:09
elfyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Hexchat18:10
elfyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Inxi18:10
Unit193Sniped.18:10
elfyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/DesktopLayoutProposal18:10
ochosiso xchat pulls in the indicator by default?18:10
elfyUnit193: hexchat at the moment - alt+a fails to set away18:10
elfyand ctrl+f does funky things with window sizing18:11
ochosiUnit193: so wait, does xchat actually set the default channel to #xubuntu?18:11
Unit193https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/100818:11
Unit193ochosi: No.18:11
Unit193ochosi: That was simply a question that was answered.18:11
elfyUnit193: yes I know - bug 1328087 as well :)18:11
ubottubug 1328087 in hexchat (Ubuntu) "Alt + A does not set away" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132808718:11
elfybug 132808918:11
ubottubug 1328089 in hexchat (Ubuntu) "Ctrl + F resizes window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132808918:11
elfythat last one is really annoying18:12
Unit193elfy: Figured you would, not sure if reporting to LP will help. :P18:12
elfyI know - but people installing it *here* are less likely to go looking at github ;)18:12
ochosiUnit193: hmm, blows a bit that we can't do that, but i guess since we weren't able to do that before...18:12
Unit193Indeed.  Well, TingPing is a hexchat dev, and commented stating that was indeed a bug, so there's hope.18:12
Unit193ochosi: Actually, since you know the desktop team, can you poke them about that plugin I linked to? :D18:13
ochosiUnit193: i can try to get to that tomorrow (today that channel is dead anyway)18:14
ochosifeel free to remind me though if i forget18:14
Unit193Of course, all Canonical would be.18:14
Unit193Sure, I will.18:14
elfyochosi Unit193 - commenting in the github bug for alt+a - shall I mention we're thinking about seeding it18:17
Unit193Is there a reason to?18:18
elfymight make them think about fixing it sooner :p18:18
ochosiyeah, although some ppl take that the wrong way18:19
ochosipressure != motivation18:19
ochosiso i'd rather not apply distro-pressure18:19
ochosiin case we get closer to the release, we can always kindly ask with reference to us seeding it18:19
elfyyea I understand that - wasn't going to say "We were thinking of seeding it but we aren't if something as simple as this doesn't work"18:20
ochosiheh18:20
ochosiok18:20
ochosiin that case, i'm also fine with referencing our plans now18:20
elfytoo late - just left a 'it's broken in xubuntu' for the moment18:21
ochosiwe can always add that comment a bit later18:21
elfyyep 18:21
elfynot sure what to do about the odd resizing thing though - guess I should report it there18:22
ochosisounds like a plan18:32
ochosiUnit193: does inxi only work for graphics card?18:32
ochosior did you just mention that as an example18:32
Unit193ochosi: Haha, no.  That was a good example because of all the problems with them.  Install it and run -h18:33
ochosithat sounds like it makes a lot of sense18:34
ochosiactually both of your specs18:34
Unit193I kind of packaged it thinking of #xubuntu. :P18:35
ochosiawesome18:35
elfyhadn't noticed that ... :p18:35
ochosiUnit193: mind to add the specs to the agenda?18:36
ochosii personally think we should go ahead with both, but i'd like to give the team a chance to raise concerns if anybody has any18:37
Unit193I can once I make coffee, if the wiki is in a good mood.18:37
ochosinice18:37
ochosithanks Unit193 18:37
ochosibrb18:39
elfyUnit193: https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/103018:42
elfywell - that's refreshing ... a comment 5 minutes after I posted it18:55
* Unit193 clicks again.18:58
ochosibrb19:00
ochosibluesabre: speaking of feeling motivated, we could also look into building a UI for panel-switch by ali1234 21:03
ochosiunless lderan gets to it first ;)21:03
bluesabreochosi: got something for me to base it on/link to code?21:06
ali1234https://github.com/ali1234/panel-switch21:09
ali1234it's only a python proof of concept21:10
bluesabreok, good, I <3 python21:10
bluesabregotta run for a bit, bbl21:11
ochosiok tty in a bit bluesabre 21:16
ochosiUnit193: no excuse anymore now: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/xfce4-power-manager/trunk21:17
ochosi;)21:17
Unit193Bummer.21:21
Unit193bluesabre: ^21:21
Unit193:--D21:21
Unit193ochosi: So, the idea is to leave the patches in and hope they don't break?21:31
ochosiwhat patches?21:31
ochosifor xfpm?21:31
ochosiif you're referring to xfpm, the idea is to drop all ubuntu patches, because they have been taken care of upstream21:32
Unit193Oh?  Hm.21:32
ochosiwhich is one more reason why we want this release in xubuntu (kill the delta)21:32
Noskcajochosi, Should i be packaging the version in debian vcs then?21:38
ochosinot sure what the status of 1.3.0 is in debian21:40
ochosior whether debian wants the development release21:41
ochosii mostly wanted to enable xubuntu to do more testing21:41
Noskcajdebian will be uploading it soon because upower 0.9921:42
Noskcajsame for us21:42
Unit193Thus we wait for Debian to release, of PPA it until then.21:44
* Unit193 calls not it, to panel.21:44
Unit193ochosi: Sooo, where should I dump it anywho?23:47
Unit193https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/staging That's where I jammed it for now.23:48
ochosii guess we should stage it in a personal PPA of yours, then test a little then move over to the xubuntu-dev PPA23:48
ochosiperfect23:48
Unit193Might be handy to keep it someplace I can upload/change it. ;)23:49
ochosiindeed, which is why you should become member of -dev23:50
Unit193But. but, but. :(23:51
Unit193You'll like this, when I went to commit changes, automatically typed `git commit` before I noticed. :D23:52
ochosihihi23:53

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