[09:01] <ochosi> hi everyone, i'm back
[09:02] <Noskcaj> hey ochosi 
[09:03] <ochosi> hey Noskcaj 
[09:03] <ochosi> what's up?
[09:07] <Noskcaj> not much
[09:07] <Noskcaj> just trying to get the stupid devel pc to work
[09:07] <Noskcaj> you?
[09:09] <elfy> hi ochosi :)
[09:32] <ochosi> i was in the mountains
[09:32] <ochosi> hence no connectivity for a few days
[09:33] <ochosi> just saying, the upcoming week will be a bit difficult again, moving countries again
[09:33] <elfy> okeydoke
[09:34] <ochosi> anyway, saw the sru made progress, so that's good to hear
[09:34] <ochosi> thanks a bunch for that bluesabre 
[09:34] <ochosi> (and everyone else involved)
[09:34] <ochosi> what else did i miss?
[09:34] <elfy> tumbleweed mostly from what I can see :)
[09:35] <elfy> I've seen about 10 lines in here since you said "just as a notice, i'll be offline from tomorrow until the weekend"
[09:36] <ochosi> heh
[09:36] <ochosi> well could be that i missed stuff on other channels
[09:36] <ochosi> or that you decided to create a channel where you can nag about me :)
[09:36] <elfy> :)
[09:36] <elfy> I'd do that in here :p
[09:39] <ochosi> heh
[10:30] <ochosi> bluesabre: reminder about the upload-rights application
[10:36] <elfy> ochosi: you got any idea when the blueprints have to be finalised and approved by -release?
[10:48] <ochosi> elfy: not really tbh
[10:48] <ochosi> knome: how did you handle that ^ ?
[10:50] <elfy> ochosi: knome is off till Monday afaik
[10:52] <ochosi> ah ok
[10:52] <ochosi> will try to figure that out asap though
[10:52] <ochosi> having said that, we don't have many workitems on our blueprints for this release anyhow
[10:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: been making steady progress on that
[10:58] <bluesabre> will finish today
[10:59] <ochosi> nice!
[10:59] <ochosi> just thought as i had been away i'd put up a reminder
[11:01] <bluesabre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeanDavis/DeveloperApplication
[11:01] <bluesabre> just gotta add fluff to the bottom
[11:02] <bluesabre> ochosi, elfy, want to brainstorm together today about what we want to add to the blueprints for this release
[11:02] <bluesabre> I'd be game
[11:02] <bluesabre> :)
[11:02] <bluesabre> I'll be around most of the day
[11:03] <bluesabre> brb, starbucks run
[11:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'll run off for lunch in a bit, but i'll also be back after that
[11:23] <ochosi> bbabl
[13:04] <Unit193> ochosi: I could use an Xubu ack from you, but not sure it's needed. :P
[14:02] <knome> i'm back
[14:02] <bluesabre> wb knome
[14:02] <knome> ta ta bluesabre 
[14:03] <elfy> hi knome wb
[14:03] <knome> ochosi, technically by feature freeze, but anything that suits you
[14:03] <knome> hey elfy, and ta :)
[14:03] <elfy> bluesabre: I'm about off and on all day - when ochosi is I'm game for that 
[14:04] <Unit193> knome: We should review blueprints. :(
[14:04] <knome> Unit193, yeah? who we? :P
[14:05] <bluesabre> knome, well, now we have me/ochosi/Unit193/elfy/you
[14:05] <bluesabre> :)
[14:05] <knome> basically the XPL should approve the direction
[16:29] <Unit193> knome: Okay.
[16:34] <ochosi> Unit193: what xubuntu ack where?
[16:35] <Unit193> ochosi: lp #1000416, unless I'm wrong?
[16:38] <ochosi> done
[16:38] <ochosi> thanks Unit193 
[16:38] <Unit193> Thank you.
[16:38] <ochosi> wasn't aware of that bugreport
[16:40] <ochosi> bluesabre: great, that (someone having trouble with nouveau drivers) is exactly what i hate about the black-screen bug. people just think any bug with suspending is related to this one... :/
[16:40] <ochosi> thanks for debugging that though with the user
[16:46] <Unit193> Same thing for the other package I presume?
[16:47] <ochosi> other package?
[16:56] <bluesabre> ochosi: yup
[16:57] <ochosi> elfy: around?
[16:59] <elfy> for ~ 10 minutes - be about properly in an hour or so
[16:59] <ochosi> hmkay
[16:59] <ochosi> well let's start with the 10minutes then
[16:59] <ochosi> i guess we have everything bp-related on trello already?
[16:59] <elfy> afaik we have
[16:59] <ochosi> ok
[17:00] <ochosi> as i said, we don't have many blueprints at the moment
[17:01] <elfy> yep
[17:01] <ochosi> i guess the two transitions we have ahead this cycle is upower0.99 and systemd
[17:01] <ochosi> apart from that, so far we haven't really put down any features
[17:01] <elfy> not sure that systemd will be this cycle 
[17:02] <ochosi> right
[17:02] <elfy> it's about and usable is all I think
[17:02] <ochosi> hm, well i guess we don't have to do much about that
[17:02] <ochosi> there are more problems with upower
[17:02] <ochosi> because xfce4-session needs to be patched
[17:03] <ochosi> the thing is: i'd want to get rid of light-locker-settings in 14.10 or 15.04 the latest
[17:03] <ochosi> include everything we need in xfce4-power-manager
[17:03] <ochosi> but then again, this will be done upstream, that's why it's not a workitem here
[17:03] <ochosi> elfy: if you wanna test the new power-manager by the way, would be great to get more feedback on it
[17:04] <ochosi> i can see that we get some ppa or something set up
[17:04] <elfy> needs to be somewhere even if it's not a workitem so the team know about what's going on
[17:04] <elfy> I'd obviously be happy to do that - better on ppa I guess
[17:04] <ochosi> Unit193: could you set up something daily for xfpm?
[17:05] <elfy> though how much testing we'd see by testers I'm not very convinced over
[17:05] <elfy> dead as a dodo - seems to be *buntu not just us though
[17:05] <ochosi> yeah, no worries
[17:06] <ochosi> the next release is no LTS
[17:06] <elfy> ochosi: I can though test it on hardware - laptop and desktop 
[17:06] <ochosi> i understand that having a team is great, but as long as at least we ourselves test the things we work on a lot, that's already okayish
[17:06] <elfy> :)
[17:06] <ochosi> yes, actually for xfpm laptop+desktop would be great
[17:06] <ochosi> i only have a laptop, so..
[17:07] <elfy> yep
[17:07] <ochosi> just recently included some optimizations for desktops
[17:07] <ochosi> the other thing we could mention is the upcoming parole release that we've started working towards
[17:08] <elfy> cool
[17:08] <ochosi> bluesabre: any other ideas for blueprint items etc?
[17:08] <bluesabre> display settings?
[17:08] <ochosi> right, that too
[17:09] <bluesabre> any date yet for 4.12? still up in the air, I presume?
[17:09] <ochosi> but other than the upstream work we're doing :)
[17:09] <ochosi> i talked to NSchermer a longer while ago (~3weeks) and we're targetting october
[17:09] <ochosi> which is too late for 14.10
[17:09] <ochosi> but nvm, i'd say
[17:09] <ochosi> i'm hoping that quite a bit of hacking is going down in the summer
[17:09] <elfy> I've gtg - back in a while 
[17:09] <ochosi> ok, ttyl elfy 
[17:10] <ochosi> bluesabre: mind to add parole and display-settings to the trello board?
[17:10] <bluesabre> sure
[17:10] <bluesabre> oh, and keyboard overlay, I might get to that shortly
[17:10] <bluesabre> been pretty motivated lately :)
[17:10] <ochosi> and then i guess we should create daily recipes for these items and throw them at our xubuntu-dev PPA
[17:10] <ochosi> hehe, yeah, quite nice actually
[17:11] <ochosi> i've also trying to get things done
[17:11] <ochosi> +been
[17:11] <ochosi> what's the state of the display dialog btw?
[17:12] <ochosi> i haven't been able to test multihead for a few weeks now...
[17:12] <bluesabre> just some testing and minor fixes left
[17:12] <Unit193> ochosi: Is imported?
[17:12] <bluesabre> its more reliable now than its been before
[17:12] <ochosi> Unit193: please pleeeease, you have to be more verbose with me...
[17:12] <bluesabre> been using vbox to test crazy multihead (4-8 displays) setups
[17:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: awesome sauce. not sure btw if we shouldn't postpone the cairo-drawn minimal dialog a bit to get what we have out
[17:13] <Unit193> I have to English?
[17:13] <bluesabre> yeah
[17:13] <bluesabre> if you get to it, great, if not, great too :D
[17:14] <ochosi> Unit193: :) thing is 1) i haven't been around for a few days, then i always feel a bit lost in the beginning
[17:14] <ochosi> 2) i'm not a mindreader and i don't always have everything nicely organized in my head
[17:14] <ochosi> so 1) what other package and 2) daily setup for xfpm and display dialog?
[17:14] <Unit193> Heh, my brain is dead too.  Is Xfpm imported into LP somewhere?
[17:15] <ochosi> ah :)
[17:15] <ochosi> tbh i'm not sure
[17:15] <ochosi> it has been dead for so long, that i could imagine that there is some dead import somewhere
[17:15] <ochosi> but you'll see that anyhow when you try to set up the import ;)
[17:15] <Unit193> Also, I can't publish to -dev, so...
[17:15] <bluesabre> looks like vcs-imports are blocked
[17:15] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/xfce4-power-manager/trunk
[17:16] <ochosi> Unit193: can you set it up so either me or bluesabre can copy it there?
[17:16] <ochosi> i mean the recipe
[17:16] <bluesabre> recipes are easy, but that import needs to be cleared
[17:16] <Unit193> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/73117280/vcs-imports-xfce4-power-manager-trunk.log how useful.
[17:17] <Unit193> bluesabre: 0.3.0+date! :P
[17:17]  * ochosi looks
[17:17] <bluesabre> I used to do version numbers like that
[17:17] <bluesabre> until launchpad told me no
[17:17] <bluesabre> :D
[17:18] <Unit193> bluesabre: It's because they're cheating, it's annoying.  You can set it as non-native, but LP forces daily builds as 3 (native) which can't have a dash.
[17:19] <ochosi> so, err, what can we do to resolve that?
[17:19] <Unit193> Poke #launchpad?
[17:20]  * ochosi join #launchpad
[17:20] <ochosi> huhu
[17:20] <ochosi> i guess that channel won't be very active on a sunday...
[17:25] <Unit193> Well, and other pkg is xfdash. :P
[17:25] <ochosi> yeah, but frankly, i'm fine with that one in a PPA for now
[17:26] <ochosi> it's still in active development and hasn't really "settled"
[17:26] <Unit193> Alrighty-o.
[17:26] <ochosi> it didn't feel "ready" last time i tried it
[17:26] <Unit193> Wasn't sure if 0.2.0 was a sign or not.
[17:26] <Unit193> Then, I'll forget about that one, cool.
[17:31] <ochosi> yeah, could be, but we should get it some testing first
[17:31] <ochosi> haven't even tried it myself yet...
[17:36] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Around?  xfce4-dev-tools in Debian, I'm pretty sure the homepage isn't "foo-projects.org", whereas http://users.xfce.org/~benny/projects/xfce4-dev-tools/ might not be the best, it's sure better. :)
[17:39] <Unit193> 4.11.0 is in Debian Experimental, too.
[17:39] <ochosi> good
[17:44] <Unit193> 4.11.0 also hit exp, but that'd have to be merged.
[17:51] <elfy> ochosi: back if you need me still
[17:53] <ochosi> i guess we'll try to set up PPAs for you for parole, xfce4-power-manager, xfce4-settings
[17:53] <Unit193> >_<
[17:53] <Unit193> 4.11.0 of xfce4-session, I need sleep.
[17:53] <ochosi> we'll sort that out with Unit193 and bluesabre i guess
[17:54] <Unit193> ochosi: Didn't you already have a parole one?
[17:54] <elfy> ochosi: ok
[17:54] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, there's one for parole already
[17:54] <elfy> ppa?
[17:54] <ochosi> but i want everything in one place when we ask people to test
[17:54] <elfy> aah - saved me typing that out :)
[17:54] <ochosi> heh
[17:54] <bluesabre> :)
[17:54] <ochosi> well, i guess i can always copy over packages manually from the daily PPA to testing
[17:55] <bluesabre> parole-daily is in my personal https://launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/+archive/xfce-4.12-daily
[17:55] <bluesabre> (ignore that crap panel build)
[17:55] <ochosi> actually you could move your stuff to xubuntu-dev, now that you have access...
[17:56] <ochosi> doesn't really make sense to keep things too personal anymore i guess
[17:56] <ochosi> after all, you *are* the xubuntu-dev lead ;)
[17:56] <bluesabre> yeah, not sure we have anything really fitting of daily builds
[17:56] <elfy> :)
[17:58] <bluesabre> I'll consider transitioning a few over today
[17:58] <bluesabre> still working on fixing this place up :)
[17:59] <ochosi> heh sure
[17:59] <elfy> bluesabre: just keep it quiet till the XPL disappears for days again :p
[17:59]  * ochosi cuts some slack and hands it to bluesabre 
[17:59] <ochosi> eeeeh, do i sense some sarcasm there? :p
[17:59] <bluesabre> :D
[18:00] <ochosi> at least i announce my disappearance
[18:00] <bluesabre> :D
[18:00]  * elfy could have just sent some slack - I've got it all packed in easy to handle quantities :)
[18:00]  * ochosi cuts himself some slack
[18:00] <elfy> ochosi: ha ha ha 
[18:00]  * bluesabre has a slack sandwich
[18:00] <elfy> been cutting slack for ~40 years so have some kicking about 
[18:00] <ochosi> yummy
[18:01] <elfy> I just realised that I completely screwed up the meeting this week 
[18:01] <elfy> set it for the 25th :| 
[18:01] <elfy> ochosi: meant to set it for tomorrow for you 
[18:02] <Unit193> ochosi: Had you reviewed the proposals for Utopic?
[18:02] <elfy> and slickymaster asked me if I could move it and I STILL didn't notice 
[18:02] <ochosi> elfy: oops, didn't notice that myself...
[18:02] <ochosi> i guess it's a bit late to change that now
[18:02] <elfy> I guess so 
[18:02] <ochosi> i'll try to be there, but as i'm moving on friday, i can#
[18:02] <ochosi> t promise
[18:03] <elfy> yea
[18:03] <ochosi> only so few days left here..
[18:03] <elfy> you're choosing the next one 
[18:03] <ochosi> Unit193: which ones?
[18:03] <ochosi> elfy: well that'll be comparably easy, as i'll be home..
[18:03] <elfy> :)
[18:03] <Unit193> ochosi: Mainly the ones that'd touch the seed, want that uploaded.  Desktop revamp/inxi/hexchat.
[18:04] <Unit193> elfy: We could actually test without the new seed, were we going to test apt-get method?
[18:04] <elfy> inxi is great - till people use it in channel
[18:04] <elfy> Unit193: remind me about that 
[18:04] <Unit193> /exec - -o inxi -c0 -Gxxx | pastebinit
[18:04] <Unit193> elfy: Hmm?
[18:04] <elfy> Unit193: yes - you know, I know - not everyone does
[18:05] <Unit193> Hah. :D
[18:05] <ochosi> ok, first off, whatever happened to testing -core?
[18:05] <ochosi> then, could you link me up Unit193 ?
[18:05] <Unit193> ochosi: Was stalled on uploading seed, which was stalled on proposals.
[18:06] <Unit193> But, if we don't want to test  apt-get install --no-install-recommends  as it's not really the supported way to install...
[18:06] <elfy> oh right 
[18:07] <ochosi> remind me, why was it stalled on proposals?
[18:07] <Unit193> Because inxi and hexchat would be seed changes.
[18:07] <Unit193> (If accepted, and the second one really should be. :P )
[18:08] <ochosi> right, but how does that affect core though?
[18:08] <elfy> hexchat is good - but I wonder how responsive devs are for it
[18:08] <ochosi> frankly, i have no idea how active xchat is
[18:09] <ochosi> haven't used it in sooo long...
[18:09] <Unit193> elfy: Better than ones that haven't done a thing in years.  The maintainer is good, talked to him before.
[18:09] <elfy> I think xchat is moribund 
[18:09] <ochosi> Unit193: that sounds good
[18:09] <Unit193> ochosi: Oh, I don't either, but built-in SASL?  I'm sold already.
[18:09] <ochosi> Unit193: didn't you write a proposal for hexchat before? link plz?
[18:09] <Unit193> Only reason not to is xchat-indicator, and that could be fixed with https://launchpad.net/hexchat-indicator
[18:10] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Hexchat
[18:10] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Inxi
[18:10] <Unit193> Sniped.
[18:10] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/DesktopLayoutProposal
[18:10] <ochosi> so xchat pulls in the indicator by default?
[18:10] <elfy> Unit193: hexchat at the moment - alt+a fails to set away
[18:11] <elfy> and ctrl+f does funky things with window sizing
[18:11] <ochosi> Unit193: so wait, does xchat actually set the default channel to #xubuntu?
[18:11] <Unit193> https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/1008
[18:11] <Unit193> ochosi: No.
[18:11] <Unit193> ochosi: That was simply a question that was answered.
[18:11] <elfy> Unit193: yes I know - bug 1328087 as well :)
[18:11] <elfy> bug 1328089
[18:12] <elfy> that last one is really annoying
[18:12] <Unit193> elfy: Figured you would, not sure if reporting to LP will help. :P
[18:12] <elfy> I know - but people installing it *here* are less likely to go looking at github ;)
[18:12] <ochosi> Unit193: hmm, blows a bit that we can't do that, but i guess since we weren't able to do that before...
[18:12] <Unit193> Indeed.  Well, TingPing is a hexchat dev, and commented stating that was indeed a bug, so there's hope.
[18:13] <Unit193> ochosi: Actually, since you know the desktop team, can you poke them about that plugin I linked to? :D
[18:14] <ochosi> Unit193: i can try to get to that tomorrow (today that channel is dead anyway)
[18:14] <ochosi> feel free to remind me though if i forget
[18:14] <Unit193> Of course, all Canonical would be.
[18:14] <Unit193> Sure, I will.
[18:17] <elfy> ochosi Unit193 - commenting in the github bug for alt+a - shall I mention we're thinking about seeding it
[18:18] <Unit193> Is there a reason to?
[18:18] <elfy> might make them think about fixing it sooner :p
[18:19] <ochosi> yeah, although some ppl take that the wrong way
[18:19] <ochosi> pressure != motivation
[18:19] <ochosi> so i'd rather not apply distro-pressure
[18:19] <ochosi> in case we get closer to the release, we can always kindly ask with reference to us seeding it
[18:20] <elfy> yea I understand that - wasn't going to say "We were thinking of seeding it but we aren't if something as simple as this doesn't work"
[18:20] <ochosi> heh
[18:20] <ochosi> ok
[18:20] <ochosi> in that case, i'm also fine with referencing our plans now
[18:21] <elfy> too late - just left a 'it's broken in xubuntu' for the moment
[18:21] <ochosi> we can always add that comment a bit later
[18:21] <elfy> yep 
[18:22] <elfy> not sure what to do about the odd resizing thing though - guess I should report it there
[18:32] <ochosi> sounds like a plan
[18:32] <ochosi> Unit193: does inxi only work for graphics card?
[18:32] <ochosi> or did you just mention that as an example
[18:33] <Unit193> ochosi: Haha, no.  That was a good example because of all the problems with them.  Install it and run -h
[18:34] <ochosi> that sounds like it makes a lot of sense
[18:34] <ochosi> actually both of your specs
[18:35] <Unit193> I kind of packaged it thinking of #xubuntu. :P
[18:35] <ochosi> awesome
[18:35] <elfy> hadn't noticed that ... :p
[18:36] <ochosi> Unit193: mind to add the specs to the agenda?
[18:37] <ochosi> i personally think we should go ahead with both, but i'd like to give the team a chance to raise concerns if anybody has any
[18:37] <Unit193> I can once I make coffee, if the wiki is in a good mood.
[18:37] <ochosi> nice
[18:37] <ochosi> thanks Unit193 
[18:39] <ochosi> brb
[18:42] <elfy> Unit193: https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/1030
[18:55] <elfy> well - that's refreshing ... a comment 5 minutes after I posted it
[18:58]  * Unit193 clicks again.
[19:00] <ochosi> brb
[21:03] <ochosi> bluesabre: speaking of feeling motivated, we could also look into building a UI for panel-switch by ali1234 
[21:03] <ochosi> unless lderan gets to it first ;)
[21:06] <bluesabre> ochosi: got something for me to base it on/link to code?
[21:09] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/panel-switch
[21:10] <ali1234> it's only a python proof of concept
[21:10] <bluesabre> ok, good, I <3 python
[21:11] <bluesabre> gotta run for a bit, bbl
[21:16] <ochosi> ok tty in a bit bluesabre 
[21:17] <ochosi> Unit193: no excuse anymore now: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/xfce4-power-manager/trunk
[21:17] <ochosi> ;)
[21:21] <Unit193> Bummer.
[21:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: ^
[21:21] <Unit193> :--D
[21:31] <Unit193> ochosi: So, the idea is to leave the patches in and hope they don't break?
[21:31] <ochosi> what patches?
[21:31] <ochosi> for xfpm?
[21:32] <ochosi> if you're referring to xfpm, the idea is to drop all ubuntu patches, because they have been taken care of upstream
[21:32] <Unit193> Oh?  Hm.
[21:32] <ochosi> which is one more reason why we want this release in xubuntu (kill the delta)
[21:38] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Should i be packaging the version in debian vcs then?
[21:40] <ochosi> not sure what the status of 1.3.0 is in debian
[21:41] <ochosi> or whether debian wants the development release
[21:41] <ochosi> i mostly wanted to enable xubuntu to do more testing
[21:42] <Noskcaj> debian will be uploading it soon because upower 0.99
[21:42] <Noskcaj> same for us
[21:44] <Unit193> Thus we wait for Debian to release, of PPA it until then.
[21:44]  * Unit193 calls not it, to panel.
[23:47] <Unit193> ochosi: Sooo, where should I dump it anywho?
[23:48] <Unit193> https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/staging That's where I jammed it for now.
[23:48] <ochosi> i guess we should stage it in a personal PPA of yours, then test a little then move over to the xubuntu-dev PPA
[23:48] <ochosi> perfect
[23:49] <Unit193> Might be handy to keep it someplace I can upload/change it. ;)
[23:50] <ochosi> indeed, which is why you should become member of -dev
[23:51] <Unit193> But. but, but. :(
[23:52] <Unit193> You'll like this, when I went to commit changes, automatically typed `git commit` before I noticed. :D
[23:53] <ochosi> hihi