[01:12] <tbwa> hi all, new to Ubuntu/lubuntu, wanting to help out with testing. Anyone up for walking me through updating wiki pages?
[01:18] <ianorlin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing  is the wiki page for testing
[01:27] <tbwa> danke @iannorlin
[02:35] <airtonix> having some issues disablin screen blanking and screen locking
[02:36] <airtonix> i followed this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/130808/stop-xscreensaver-from-locking-screen-once-screensaver-starts. screen still blanks and locks.
[02:37] <ianorlin> is this 14.04?
[02:37] <airtonix> yeah should be. installed lubuntu-desktop over the top of gnome-ubuntu( or what ever the gnome-shell variant is called)
[02:37] <airtonix> so it's not xscreen saver, but lightlocker?
[02:38] <ianorlin> oh set lightlocker not to autostart automatically in defualt apps for lxsession
[02:38] <airtonix> does that disable the workflow: lock workstation > blank screen ?
[02:39] <airtonix> i mean my other option is to work out how to run synergy on the lock screen
[02:39] <ianorlin> oh you just want to stop the automatic timeouts
[02:39] <airtonix> one or the other
[02:39] <airtonix> synergy on lock screen or stop timeouts
[11:19] <onla> hmm.. I am having bad password problem with the wicd. I would like to try the fix method of uninstalling network-manager and then reinstalling wicd. However I don't have a wired connection  available, so I can't uinstall network manager, because I am connected thru that(cus wicd doesnt work). So I was wondering how I can download wicd and all dependencies to some directory smoothly, or do I really have to go to http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/all/wicd
[11:21] <Unit193> apt-get download if you know the package list.
[11:22] <onla> ok tks
[11:26] <onla> afdter doing that, can I then use apt-get install package-name offline to install them, or will it download .deb files to some location where i need to dpkg install them or some other method
[11:26] <onla> I guess I can search answer to that from google, but I try ask, cus it would be slow with mobile :)
[11:28] <Unit193> No, apt-get install with the version in Trusty won't work like that.  If you recently downloaded the current version, it's already in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[12:05] <onla> so apt-get install packages aswell as apt-get download packages go to that directory and stay there for only some amount of time before getting auto deleted? and those that I apt-get downloaded there, I have to manny install as I would normally do when installing from .deb files?
[12:06] <onla> s/manny/manually
[12:07] <Unit193> download = go to current, you just want the deb.  When you do updates, it'll cache them there unless you use  apt-get autoclean  and they are no longer on the repo mirror.
[12:08] <onla> ah, so I can do apt-get download, and when I go offline and want to install, I do apt-get update
[12:08] <Unit193> No.
[12:10] <onla> I tried apt-get download and then checking with ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ the file I fetched is not there though
[12:11] <hateball> onla: apt-get download fetches to current directory
[12:12] <hateball> and if you're in /var without proper permissions it wont do much
[12:12] <onla> oh i see
[12:12] <onla> so I'll fetch the packages with apt-get download. What's the proper way to then install them?
[12:13] <hateball> I'm not sure if there's any more "correct" way than with dpkg when you're installing them outside the repository
[12:16] <onla> ok
[12:16] <SonikkuAmerica> onla: Why not just [ apt-get install ] them?
[12:17] <onla> I need to uninstall network manager and uninstall wicd and then install wicd, and only way for me to be online with this machine is by using network manager right now
[12:18] <onla> and apt-get install requires me to be online
[12:20] <onla> or maybe I just keep using this network manager.. it just doesn't show me the signal strength
[12:20] <onla> maybe I could check it on cmd line
[12:20] <hateball> iwconfig / iwlist
[12:20] <onla> ye iwconfig shows ok.. I wonder why ppl want to use wicd then
[12:21] <hateball> old habits die hard
[12:21] <hateball> Maybe a long time ago network-manager stole their baby and they never forgave it
[12:21] <onla> :)
[13:36] <Glorfindel> Can you try lubuntu without installing it? I tried but couldn't figure it out
[13:38] <Mikaela> When you boot your system from Lubuntu CD or USB it should ask you if you want to try without installing or install it.
[13:39] <Glorfindel> That option didn
[13:39] <Glorfindel> 't
[13:39] <Glorfindel> show
[13:48] <phillw> Glorfindel: I think you downloaded the alternate ISO, which doesn't have the 'Try' option.
[13:48] <Glorfindel> ok
[13:49] <Glorfindel> so get the other one?
[13:52] <phillw> Glorfindel: yes, you need desktop version to have the 'Try' option.
[13:53] <Glorfindel> Ok, I got the alternate one because it used less ram
[13:53] <Glorfindel> Thanks for the help :)
[13:54] <phillw> it uses less ram to install. how much ram have you got?
[13:54] <Glorfindel> 256 mb
[13:55] <phillw> you'd be better using the alternate for install. But you can try lubuntu using the desktop, just bear in mind it will be slow on your machine!
[13:56] <Glorfindel> yeah I suppose
[13:56] <Glorfindel> it has xp on it right now
[13:57] <Glorfindel> suprisingly fast all things considered
[13:59] <phillw> the installed system will be fast, but running from the CD (the 'Try' option) will be slow :)
[13:59] <Glorfindel> ok
[13:59] <Glorfindel> well thats fine then
[13:59] <Glorfindel> what is the recommended min disk space?
[14:00] <phillw> the absolute minimum would be ~5GB but that would not leave much room for files.
[14:01] <Glorfindel> hmm, time to go free some more :)
[14:01] <phillw> For test machines, I allocate 10GB, but the more you allocate the more you can save, this is more important if you have videos or a large music / image collection
[14:02] <Glorfindel> no, non of that yet
[14:02] <Glorfindel> *none
[14:02] <phillw> the system itself takes ~ 2Gb
[14:08] <Glorfindel> Alright
[14:08] <Glorfindel> that could work
[14:08] <Glorfindel> thanks again
[14:31] <pmatulis> looks like the 14.04 installer does not recognize encrypted devices
[16:15] <pantomime> any one using solarized with i3?
[16:17] <gruntz> Hi! I would like to switch from xubuntu to lubuntu and I have one question; I do have an encrypted home directory, how to do reinstall without changing name of current username that I use?
[16:28] <holstein> gruntz: you dont need to. you can just install lxde.. lubuntu and xubuntu are ubuntu
[16:28] <holstein> sudo apt-get instalal lxde
[16:28] <holstein> sudo apt-get install lxde
[16:29] <holstein> gruntz: you can refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu
[16:29] <gruntz> I'd like to perform clean install
[16:29] <holstein> gruntz: go for it. you dont need to to do what you are trying to do
[16:29] <holstein> you should have a backup of you data regardless, since all hard drives fail
[16:30] <holstein> i would open the enncrypted directory, in the simplest easiest way, and make a copy/backup of my data and config files.. and put them back in the fresh install
[16:32] <gruntz> holstein: but if installer will ask me for username of new account and then if I call it the same, how would that act? I mean, there will be no conflict that /home/$USER is already created?
[16:32] <gruntz> and /home/.ecryptfs
[16:32] <holstein> gruntz: i would have my data backed up, regardless, and deal with how anythig "acts" at that point
[16:33] <pantomime> you might get into some uid wonkyness, I think a clean install when dealing with encrypted drives is best
[16:33] <holstein> ^ agreed
[16:34] <holstein> and i would just move my data in to the new encrypted environment.. i wouldnd try and move the enctypted scenario
[16:41] <gruntz> so ok
[16:41] <gruntz> I do an reinstall
[16:42] <gruntz> everything goes fine
[16:42] <gruntz> it asks me for username
[16:42] <gruntz> then I give it same as it exists on /home partition
[16:42] <gruntz> and installer will handle it?
[16:42] <gruntz> without errors?
[16:42] <gruntz> or will it ask me for key to encrypted files?
[16:42] <pantomime> unless you formnat that partition
[16:43] <gruntz> okay
[16:43] <holstein> gruntz: i would not have put the data in place by then.. i would just wait, and open the enctrypted partition and put my data back in..
[16:43] <gruntz> holstein: that's what I always do
[16:43] <pantomime> which is what holstein is suggestion, move the data, format over it and make a new encrypted drive
[16:43] <gruntz> but it's too much work, I'm lazy ;)
[16:43] <pantomime> move the data back
[16:43] <gruntz> ah...
[16:44] <holstein> lazy wont save the data, or make it easiest.. but, i would have backups regardless.. and for me, at least a temporary unencrypted, easiely read-able version of the data and configs i want.. on a seperate drive. that i can easily see, and access and copy back to whatever i want need//
[16:46] <pantomime> looking at a lot more work if he doesnt back them up and cant get to that partition post installation
[20:57] <Glorfindel> Is there any reason for lubuntu to not work in a VM? It says that the kernal doesn't support the processer
[20:58] <Unit193> You don't have PAE enabled in the VMs config.
[20:59] <ianorlin> ah yeah been there done that what hypervisor Glorfindel
[21:05] <Glorfindel> It worked! thanks :)
[21:05] <Glorfindel> and what do you mean ianorlin?\
[21:10] <ianorlin> nevermind you solved the problem I meant hypervisor as the thing that runs the vms
[21:10] <rafaellaguna> hello all
[21:10] <Glorfindel> ok
[21:10] <Glorfindel> thanks anyway :)
[21:37] <onla> the network-manager didnt connect automatically to my wlan network eventhough I tagged in gui to connect. I didn't know how to connect cus in that gui there is no connect button. Also can't "save" settings there if I don't edit password. So I edited password by resetting it there and untagging auto connect and save, then reset and and tagged auto connect and save. Only now it connected to the network :(
[21:41] <onla> I'll try sudo service network-manager restart next time
[21:52] <onla> the password field is empty after I have saved it
[22:02] <onla> ok, tagging the "all users" saved the pw and it auto connects ok tks bye
[22:02] <onla> and see you soon
[22:30] <Autoclesis> How do I force quit a program
[22:31] <wxl> Autoclesis: there are so many ways to do it it's silly :) what program?
[22:31] <Autoclesis> hey wxl !
[22:31] <Autoclesis> Pithos
[22:31] <wxl> !info pithos
[22:31] <Autoclesis> All functions have frozen
[22:31] <wxl> i see
[22:31] <wxl> should just be able to pop open a terminal and do "killall pithos"
[22:32] <wxl> or alt-f2
[22:32] <wxl> (run)
[22:32] <Autoclesis> okay
[22:32] <wxl> xkill is simple, too. you can run it (again, alt-f2 works) and click on the window you want to kill
[22:32] <Autoclesis> Excellent
[22:32] <Autoclesis> it worked
[22:32] <wxl> you can also use the task manager but that's a pain in the backside
[22:33] <Autoclesis> Pithos works fine but I used the built in "manage radio" function and it froze
[22:33] <Autoclesis> Gracias, wxl
[22:33] <wxl> Autoclesis: no experience with it so don't know what to tell you about that but de nada
[22:33] <Autoclesis> It works again. :)
[22:34] <Autoclesis> I will just avoid the advanced functions
[22:34] <Autoclesis> !info mypaint
[22:35] <wxl> Autoclesis: there's also #pithos here
[22:35] <Autoclesis> ah!
[22:35] <wxl> Autoclesis: bug tracker here https://github.com/pithos/pithos/issues
[22:35] <wxl> when in doubt, google ;)
[22:35] <Autoclesis> Should I tell someone something?
[22:35] <Autoclesis> lol
[22:35] <wxl> it might be good to ask if it's a known issue
[22:35] <Autoclesis> fair enough
[22:43] <wxl> Autoclesis: how much memory do you have on your machine?
[22:43] <Autoclesis> I'm not sure
[22:43] <Autoclesis> It had Windows XP and then Ubuntu 12 and now Lubuntu
[22:44] <wxl> Autoclesis: "cat /proc/meminfo | grep Mem" in terminal. it will tell you how many kB total and how many free
[22:44] <Autoclesis> okay
[22:44] <wxl> are you new to linux?
[22:44] <Autoclesis> UXTerm or Xterm?
[22:45] <Autoclesis> not really
[22:45] <Autoclesis> just dumb
[22:45] <wxl> doesn't matter. i'd probably use lxterminal if i were you
[22:45] <wxl> Autoclesis: dumb and unaware are not the same thing, my friend. :)
[22:45] <Autoclesis> thanks
[22:45] <wxl> i mean you MIGHT be dumb but i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt ;)
[22:48] <Autoclesis> They are asking me stuff on #pithos
[22:48] <Autoclesis> ahhh
[23:23] <Autoclesis> Thanks again, wxl !