[06:04] <Kilos> morning all
[06:04] <Gremble> o/
[06:05] <Kilos> so hows Gremble this morning
[06:06] <Kilos> im frozen here in pta
[06:08] <Gremble> I am well thank you. A bit chilly but home at least :P
[06:09] <Gremble> Exams are done and I seem to have passed everything with a couple of distinctions
[06:22] <Kilos> well done man
[06:24] <Gremble> Thanks. What are your plans for the day?
[06:24] <Kilos> hope the minetest lag is gone today haha
[06:24] <Kilos> i love playing minetest
[06:24] <Kilos> good for old heads
[06:25] <Gremble> haha. Good for heads of any age :P
[06:26] <Kilos> and hopefully i can get to install 14.04 server on old dual core pc
[06:27] <Kilos> oh and fight with my router, other pc can get in but it wont allow this one in
[06:27] <Kilos> grrr
[06:28] <Gremble> That is annoying.
[06:28] <Kilos> ya weird, i dunno if its because im running 64bit here
[06:30] <Gremble> Shouldnt be
[06:30] <Gremble> Unless there is a package on the 64bit that prevents router communication
[06:30] <Gremble> But I sort of doubt that
[06:30] <Kilos> my son fiddled with the seting up to get it to see my d-link modem from the other pc and it sees the modem and connects but wont share the link so the pc can go online
[06:30] <Kilos> grrr
[06:31] <Kilos> na i am using same browser on both
[06:31] <Kilos> i dont know enough
[06:31] <Kilos> old one can login as admin but this one cant even see it
[07:01] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:05] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[07:05] <superfly> guten morgen
[07:06] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[07:09] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:10] <superfly> was just showing the guys at work our ship
[07:10] <Kilos> cool
[07:10] <superfly> at+wopen=1
[07:10] <superfly> ai
[07:10] <Kilos> lag much better now
[07:10] <superfly> wrong window... anyone want to switch on their application?
[07:10] <Kilos> haha 
[07:13] <Kilos> aw there it goes bad again
[07:17] <charl_> morning all
[07:18] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:18]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:21] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[07:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[07:30] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:31] <Kilos> superfly, methinks the sheep must only have a short lifetime ive just watchhi inetpro wb'
[07:31] <Kilos> hi inetpro wb
[07:31] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[07:31] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[07:31] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:31] <Maaz> Kilos: There isn't a pot on
[07:31] <Kilos> ai!
[07:33] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[07:33]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:34] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[07:34] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:34] <Kilos> meeting tomorrow night
[07:37] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[07:39] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[07:39] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:42] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos 
[07:59] <mazal> How late is meeting tomorrow oom Kilos ?
[08:08] <Kilos> 20.30
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[08:08] <Kilos> sorry was outside by sheep
[08:08] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:47] <Golynx> Kilos Opera 24 for linux is ready http://opr.as/g0W
[08:48] <Kilos> ah ty Golynx mine will most likely upgrade on its own
[08:49] <Golynx> np, i'm  not sure if 12 version will upgrade to the 24 version
[08:58] <Kilos> well what do you see thats better
[08:59] <Kilos> i only browse with it not irc and other stuff too
[08:59] <Kilos> downloads i use wget wherever possible
[09:00] <Kilos> i have pidgin and hexchat and konversation to chat with
[09:00] <Golynx> i cant try it , my ubuntu is still dead
[09:01] <Golynx> just thought you might like a new version of Opera :)
[09:01] <Kilos> havent you fixed it yet
[09:01] <Kilos> reinstalled
[09:01] <Kilos> ill have a look
[09:01] <Golynx> i know whats wrong
[09:01] <Kilos> tell me
[09:02] <Kilos> normally once you know the cause of a prob the cure isnt too hard to do
[09:03] <Golynx> i used sudo dpkg -i *.deb to unpack and install all the packages from the archives. I forgot to take out the drivers an some other software , so when i restarted there was a conflict with the drivers already installed
[09:04] <Kilos> you can boot from the dvd and move things around
[09:04] <Kilos> or mount the drive and run commands
[09:05] <Golynx> no worries its fixable 
[09:05] <Kilos> do you have boot-repair
[09:06] <Golynx> i will use windows for now, ubuntu stuff takes long to setup
[09:06] <Kilos> ok
[09:06] <Golynx> the boot works fine
[09:11] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[09:12] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[09:13] <Kilos> can you boot into ubuntu Golynx ?
[09:16] <bduk1> If i have a manual i think
[09:17] <Kilos> ?
[09:18] <Golynx> Kilos nope, will have to reinstall
[09:18] <Kilos> Golynx, then the boot doesnt work fine
[09:19] <Kilos> boot-repair could fix it for you
[09:19] <Kilos> windows peeps talk a different language
[09:19] <Golynx> it shows graphics cant be detected then when i press ok it shuts down the pc
[09:20] <Golynx> i dunno about boot-repair
[09:21] <Golynx> will it still reinstall even when running alongside windows ?
[09:23] <Kilos> if you can get into the command line
[09:23] <Kilos> try ctrl+alt+f3
[09:24] <Golynx> ai my chargers pin will heat up like crazy again :(
[09:25] <Golynx> i think i will reinstall ubuntu again when my windows fails on me
[09:26] <Kilos> lol
[09:28] <Golynx> i will use ubuntu again, i just need a steady income so i can buy a new/better/more powerful pc :)
[10:25]  * Squirm looks around
[10:27] <Private_User> afternoon all
[10:27] <Private_User> hi Golynx
[10:27] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[10:27] <Private_User> hello Squirm
[10:27] <Golynx> hi Private_User
[10:29] <Squirm> hey'
[10:36] <Kilos> hi Squirm Private_User 
[11:00] <superfly> Hai! Oom Kilos, you didn't tell us it's your birthday today!
[11:00] <superfly> Happy birthday Oom! May the good Lord bless you today!
[11:01] <Kilos> sorry superfly ty very much
[11:01] <Kilos> may he bless me everyday 
[11:01] <Kilos> and all my friends
[11:01] <Kilos> its not an important one, only 63
[11:06] <Golynx> happy birthday uncle Kilos :)
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> happy birthday Kilos, have some extra cotton seeds
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> and take some cooked rat while you're there too :-D
[11:31] <Kilos> lol ty guys
[13:01] <charl_> ooh powerline is really coool
[13:01] <charl_> using it in both vim and tmux now
[13:29] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:46] <Kilos> wbb gonna reboot
[14:05] <charl_> wb Kilos 
[14:06] <Kilos> ty charl_ 
[14:52] <Squirm> happy birth day Kilos 
[14:52] <Kilos> ty Squirm 
[15:58] <Kilos> inetpro, ive got no notification from g+ about tomorrow nights meet yet or does it only give on the day news
[17:48] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos!
[17:49] <Kilos> lo nuvolari gaanit seun
[17:49] <nuvolari> happy birthday to you, happy birthday toooo youuuu
[17:49] <Kilos> meeting tomorrow night hey
[17:49] <Kilos> hahaha ty laddy
[17:49] <nuvolari> Dit gaan goed dankie, maar nie so goed soos met oom nie!
[17:49] <nuvolari> ek sal hier try twees oom!
[17:50] <nuvolari> *wees
[17:50] <Kilos> man jy doen te veel ander goed deesdae
[17:50] <Kilos> kanseleer alle ander goed en wees by ons
[17:51] <nuvolari> ek soek werk oom
[17:52] <nuvolari> sal hopelik in 'n paar maande 'n rustiger lewe hê
[17:52] <nuvolari> dit belowe ek aan myself
[17:52] <Kilos> ja maar nie 20.30 more aand nie
[17:52] <Kilos> ek hoop jy vind gou iets wat jou gelukkig sal maak seun
[17:53] <Kilos> maar jy kannie ons so afskeep nie
[17:53] <Kilos> sies man
[17:53] <nuvolari> ek is jammer oom
[17:53] <Kilos> en jy vergeet jy is onder stoel
[17:54] <nuvolari> ek neem in gedagte dat ek wel meer tyd wil spandeer aan opensource development
[17:54] <nuvolari> wat ek niks hierdie jaar gedoen het nie
[17:54] <Kilos> apie ook nog nie gese hy sal hier wees nie
[17:55] <Kilos> jy ken nie eers van die nuwe mense nie
[17:55] <Kilos> Gremble, say hi to nuvolari 
[17:55] <nuvolari> o/ 
[17:55]  * nuvolari tips hat at Gremble
[17:55] <Gremble> Oh, Hai 
[17:55] <nuvolari> hai
[17:55] <nuvolari> pleased to meet you
[17:56] <Kilos> Gremble, you do java?
[17:56] <Gremble> Nice to meet you too nuvolari 
[17:56] <Kilos> nuvolari, is a java man
[17:56] <Gremble> No. I do C/C++
[17:56] <nuvolari> bah
[17:56] <nuvolari> he's my overlord
[17:56] <Gremble> I take out my own trash
[17:56] <nuvolari> lol
[17:56] <Kilos> oh and next you gotta do python
[17:56] <Gremble> I've done some python
[17:56] <nuvolari> I don't like playing with snakes
[17:56] <Kilos> lol
[17:57] <nuvolari> it looks too clean
[17:57] <Kilos> nuvolari, what os you using now?
[17:57] <nuvolari> linux oom
[17:57] <Kilos> ja man mint or what
[17:57] <nuvolari> distro meen oom
[17:57] <nuvolari> ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[17:57] <nuvolari> en Arch
[17:57] <Kilos> daai ding ja , skuus man
[17:58] <Kilos> 12.04 unity?
[17:58] <Gremble> Arch is for winners :P
[17:58] <nuvolari> oh, xfce4
[17:58] <Kilos> aha Gremble also likes xfce
[17:59] <Gremble> xfce and i3
[17:59] <nuvolari> I'm done with tiling wm's for a while :P
[17:59] <Kilos> he just wrote exams but he didnt tell what exams
[17:59] <nuvolari> I miss xmonad :(
[18:00] <Kilos> ai! dis n lelike ding
[18:00] <Gremble> :P
[18:00] <Gremble> Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder
[18:01] <Kilos> Maaz, announce EARLY warning peeps. Monthly meeting right here at 20.30 tomorrow night
[18:01] <Gremble> I don't like using the touch pad on my laptop, so I prefer tilers that I can operate with my keyboard
[18:01] <nuvolari> minimalism = win
[18:01] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! EARLY warning peeps. Monthly meeting right here at 20.30 tomorrow night
[18:02] <Kilos> Gremble, dit you tell me what exams?
[18:02] <Kilos> im allowed to forgt
[18:02] <Kilos> forget
[18:03] <Gremble> Oh, Mathematical modelling, fundamentals of database design and implementation, Information Ethics and History of Western and African Philosophy
[18:03] <Kilos> sjoe what a mix
[18:04] <Gremble> Quite.
[18:04] <Gremble> Next semester it is pretty much all math with philosophy and historical geology
[18:05] <Kilos> oi you hurt my head
[18:07] <Kilos> geology in my days was easier because the earth was still fla
[18:07] <Kilos> flat
[18:08] <Gremble> The earth is still flat. There are just a bunch of people denying it this time
[18:09] <Kilos> rofl
[18:09] <Kilos> my grandpa was a geologist
[18:09] <Kilos> still got lots of his rocks and stuff somewhere
[18:09] <Gremble> Mine was a typesetter at the stateprinters back in the day
[18:10] <Kilos> wow
[18:10] <Gremble> :P
[18:11] <Gremble> The wow part is that he is 82 and still weightlifts
[18:11] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:11] <Kilos> they dont make men like they used to
[18:14] <Kilos> jy mis die sports nuvolari klomp van ons speel minetest op vlieg se server
[18:23] <Gremble> http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/m15/sf0JdVsk2/EN_efz17pc3r2.png Minecraft MTG 
[18:24] <Kilos> what is that Gremble 
[18:24] <Gremble> Magic the Gathering is a trading card game. Pretty fun. I used to play it when I was younger
[18:24] <Kilos> i see that little window in the centre. am i missing something
[18:25] <Gremble> That card was designed by Notch, the guy that made minecraft. So I thought that it could be mildly interested since you guys play minetest
[18:25] <Kilos> oh no we mine
[18:25] <Kilos> no cards
[18:25] <Kilos> oh ty
[18:25] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[18:26] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:01] <kbmonkey> hello all
[19:02] <superfly> hi kbmonkey
[19:02] <Kilos> hi my kbmonkey 
[19:02] <Kilos> meet tomorrow night hey
[19:03] <kbmonkey> saw your email kilos you are on the ball man
[19:04] <Kilos> i nearly left it late
[19:35] <kbmonkey> I just ran mkfs.ntfs and at the end it told me, "Have a nice day." :)
[19:36] <Gremble> Well, you had to run mkfs.ntfs, I am pretty sure it imagines you having a grubby day
[19:37] <Gremble> I am trying to figure out the stl implementation of a vector, but I feel really stupid haha
[19:37] <kbmonkey> It must be conext aware 
[19:37] <Gremble> I can't seem to get my head around  const allocator_type& alloc = allocator_type() >.>
[19:38] <kbmonkey> I don't know what any of that means 
[19:38] <Gremble> Me neither
[19:38] <Kilos> lol
[19:38] <kbmonkey> o.O
[19:39] <kbmonkey> when you said vector I thought of physics forces :p
[19:39] <Gremble> :P
[19:40] <Gremble> Physics is simple enough xD
[19:41] <kbmonkey> what goes up, must come down crashing
[19:44]  * Kilos cries
[19:44] <Kilos> last saterday i had no lag at all on minetest
[19:45] <Kilos> so what happened
[19:45] <superfly> Gremble: I don't try to understand it... I just use it and am thankful I don't have to write C
[19:46] <Gremble> I want to get more versed in C. I am just trying to use pointers in C++ safely at the moment
[19:46] <Gremble> Using <memory>
[19:47] <kbmonkey> maybe coincidence, but minetest slowed down for me as the world got more explored.
[19:48] <Kilos> not here last sad we built the dam wall with no lag
[19:48] <Kilos> and i went far south the week before
[19:48] <kbmonkey> pointers. cringe.
[19:49] <kbmonkey> all the power of lasers with the volatility of tnt. 
[19:50] <Kilos> ya blame ThatGraemeGuy he half killed minetest with his tnt testing
[19:50] <Kilos> hehe
[19:52] <Gremble> http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/vector This is the header file for the stl header
[19:52] <Gremble> IT does not say much xD
[19:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh
[19:53] <Gremble> I'm going to go to bed
[19:53] <Gremble> Cheers fellas
[19:53] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:53] <Kilos> hehe
[19:53] <kbmonkey> ouch, 
[19:53] <kbmonkey> gn Gremble :)
[19:53] <kbmonkey> sometimes answers come in dreams
[19:54] <Kilos> sjoe even IT answers
[19:55] <Kilos> kbmonkey, 
[19:55] <Kilos> did you say using that public servr was fast
[19:56] <Kilos> or did i dream it
[19:57] <kbmonkey> Kilos, it was playable. but I did not play, just tried out the lag.
[19:57] <Kilos> ah
[19:57] <kbmonkey> it was pretty ugly. every mod ever was installed and stuff built in all places.
[19:58] <Kilos> how did you get there just tick the public server block?
[19:58] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[19:58] <kbmonkey> an everyone was fighting over who took whose blocks :P
[19:58] <Vince-0> sUp 0/
[19:58] <Kilos> eish
[19:59] <kbmonkey> I think they were a bunch of kids, literally 
[19:59] <Vince-0> kbmonkey: I mistakenly included your Email address with a forward to dbnlug list
[19:59] <Kilos> Vince-0, meeting here tomorrow night at 20.30
[20:00] <Kilos> im still waiting to see your lug peeps here
[20:00] <Kilos> even smileyborg stopped coming here
[20:00] <Vince-0> dossing
[20:00] <kbmonkey> hi Vince-0 
[20:00] <Vince-0> hi kbmonkey
[20:01] <kbmonkey> you mean I will get the email twice? on the dlug list already 
[20:01] <kbmonkey> dbnlug*
[20:01] <Vince-0> no* the forward included your Email in plain text
[20:01] <Vince-0> it wasn't supposed to
[20:01] <Vince-0> never mind
[20:01] <kbmonkey> ah that's fine :)
[20:04] <kbmonkey> Linux Voice #5 is out!
[20:06] <kbmonkey> wb Kilos 
[20:07] <Kilos> ty i forget to leave the window when opening minetest then i lose my mouse popinter
[20:07] <Kilos> so open a terminal and reboot
[20:07] <Kilos> i dunno where it goes
[20:08] <kbmonkey> messing about with javascript. built a tiny dependency engine that toggles items by state. interesting...
[20:08] <Kilos> i forget to not leave the minetest window when opening
[20:08] <Kilos> but kinda late so ill say night all sleep tight
[20:09] <Kilos> see you tomorrow night for the meeting
[20:09] <kbmonkey> yes, minetest uses a SDL/OpenGL window that captures the pointer. just press Escape to release it.
[20:09] <kbmonkey> Reg Kilos, sleep tight.
[20:09] <Kilos> aha ty that will help
[20:09] <Kilos> tell inetpro there is a meet
[20:15] <Vince-0> yaawan
[20:15] <Vince-0> look at the time
[20:15] <Vince-0> lol, im ou
[20:15] <Vince-0> t