[00:09] <Unit193> https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/xfce-daily better.
[00:13] <Noskcaj-school> Panel merge is up
[00:14] <Noskcaj-school> Unit193: Should dev-tools be synced from d/experimental?
[00:14] <Noskcaj-school> And i'll fix the homepage sometime soon
[00:24] <Unit193> Parole and xfpm should land in that daily.
[00:25] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Looked at the upstream changelog, not a lot changed so should be low risk.
[00:32] <Unit193> ochosi: Do you have commit access to xfce4-session, and is our delta supposed to be upstreamed?
[00:46] <Unit193> brainwash: freshplayerplugin script broke?
[01:18] <ochosi> Unit193: nope, don't have access to that one...
[01:18] <ochosi> guess as long as there's no real maintainer for that it's also hard to say where upstream is going (delta-wise)
[02:43] <Unit193> bluesabre: Will Law (williumbillium) seems to have done verification on LP: #1326740.
[03:19] <Unit193> ochosi: Oh, and did you have an opinion on icon size?  I'm firmly against 48. :P
[07:48] <ochosi> Unit193: icon size where again?
[10:13] <Unit193> ochosi: Desktop.
[10:35] <bluesabre> Unit193: oh?
[10:36] <Unit193> bluesabre: Don't agree?
[10:37] <bluesabre> this is the first time I've interacted with the SRU process, not sure where he did verification
[10:42] <Unit193> OOoh, sorry, wasn't thinking of my last ping.  He seemed to state it fixes the problem without adding new ones.
[10:43] <bluesabre> ah, where?
[10:48] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1326740/comments/14 not very much, but.
[10:52] <bluesabre> ah, gotcha
[10:52] <bluesabre> somehow missed that one
[10:56] <ochosi> Unit193: ah, i guess i'm fine with 32 as well. but it used to be 36 which results in unsharp icons ->meh
[10:56] <ochosi> and 48px was chosen because it's the default in thunar as well
[11:45] <ochosi> Unit193: feel free to propose a MR against -default-settings
[11:45] <Unit193> Craap, I'm going to break something..  OK.
[11:46] <ochosi> suuuure, s/48/32/ is a dangerous action!
[11:48] <Unit193> Noo, the LP side. :D
[12:59] <ochosi> elfy: i added the two specs by Unit193 to the meeting's agenda
[13:00] <Unit193> I saw, when I went to add them.
[13:00] <ochosi> just in case i can't make it to the meeting, i wanted to say that i wanna move those along. so i wanna give people a bit of time to raise concerns (during the meeting and for a few days on the ML), but generally the approach is to move in that direction
[13:01] <ochosi> if there are concerns, we can vote on them
[13:01] <ochosi> but if there aren't, i'd like to reduce the bureaucracy there
[13:10] <ochosi> Unit193: fwiw, i asked around in #u-desktop and i guess we'll have to wait for the sponsors to pick up thunar-dropbox. but i guess there's nothing else to do than wait
[13:11] <Unit193> You mean hexchat-indicator?
[13:16] <elfy> ochosi: ack
[13:29] <ochosi> Unit193: err whatß
[13:29] <ochosi> ?
[13:30] <elfy> is there a hexchat-indicator?
[13:30] <ochosi> yeah, there seemingly is
[13:30] <ochosi> haven't tried it, but it seems to be based on the xchat-indicator
[13:31] <ochosi> i'm not sure we really *have* to have that to go for hexchat since we haven't had a messaging menu for quite a while now
[13:31] <ochosi> hence also no xchat indicator...
[13:31] <elfy> indeed
[13:31] <Unit193> Yep, that's what I linked to, and since the desktop team packaged the other one.
[13:31] <ochosi> but there's no "needs-packaging" bug report for hexchat-indicator, is there?
[13:32] <Unit193> But, -indicator is installed, and that was my point.  Feature differrence.  Not that I know of.
[13:32] <ochosi> you mean xchat-indicator?
[13:35] <Unit193> Yeah.
[13:35] <ochosi> could you test hexchat indicator and see if it works correctly?
[13:35] <ochosi> if so, i guess we do want it packaged so we can install it by default
[13:35] <elfy> I would if I can find it
[13:37] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/hexchat-indicator
[13:52] <elfy> mmm
[13:55] <elfy> deep antipathy to compiling elfy has
[13:56] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/staging/+build/6123909 should make you feel better. :P
[13:56] <Unit193> libnih, they have a lib for not invented here?
[13:56] <elfy> much better elfy feels :p
[13:57] <Unit193> My money is on a big fat no. :D
[14:13] <Unit193> elfy: Didyou ry it?
[14:13] <Unit193> ...That was painful.
[14:14] <elfy> no
[14:15] <Unit193> Amazingly, works in trusty.
[14:15] <Unit193> (Don't add the ppa, just snag the deb if anything.)
[14:15] <elfy> I did 
[14:16] <elfy> just installed it
[14:17] <elfy> well it is in the indicator
[14:17] <Unit193> 0.0.1-0ubuntu1.1~14.10 is the one that doesn't dep on xchat. :P
[14:17] <elfy> whether it does anything or not I don't know yet
[14:17] <Unit193> So, I do this just for a trial build, and I just had to convert it to multiarch. :P
[14:18] <elfy> :)
[14:18] <ochosi> elfy: does it help if i ping you?
[14:19] <elfy> it might if I'm not actually in hexchat - give me a moment and try again :)
[14:19] <Unit193> ochosi: Ready?
[14:20] <Unit193> elfy: Ping.
[14:20] <elfy> nada
[14:20] <elfy> so it works as well as the xchat one then :p
[14:21] <ochosi> hehe
[14:22] <Unit193> Better than I expected.
[14:22] <elfy> the hexchat notification does it's thing
[14:23] <ochosi> good
[14:24] <ochosi> Unit193: i presume the hexchat indicator won't make it to debian, right?
[14:25] <Unit193> Why would it? xchat didn't.
[14:27] <Unit193> lp:~unit193/hexchat-indicator/packaging or something like that.
[15:30] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/menulibre/+bug/1323405 added sponsors, you had nothing there that'd make it show up on their radar.
[19:15] <Unit193> elfy: So -indicator is of no use at all, right?
[19:16] <elfy> you can use it to start hexchat and to start it in safe mode 
[19:16] <elfy> but other than that it does nothing at all 
[19:17] <Unit193> I'll take that as a no, I'd think.
[19:17] <elfy> so - unless it's going to make a miraculous leap into usefulness I'd say not
[19:18] <Unit193> OK, cool.  And, just FYI, I've setup the parole and xfpm daily builds, but as I'm not in -dev right now they're just going into one of mine.
[19:18] <elfy> and I'm not overenamoured with hexchat's current issues for me 
[19:18] <elfy> Unit193: ok 
[19:18] <Unit193> :/
[19:19] <elfy> did you see the screenshots of the resize thing?
[19:19] <Unit193> So yes, the goal is to get it in xubuntu-dev, but that'll be figured out later.  I don't suppose you'll be one playing with them though anyway.  Yes, not exactly sure what's going on, unless the image I saw wasn't clipped at all.
[19:20] <elfy> of course it looks like someone is on the ball with bugs - but the resize bug has been marked as an enhancement
[19:20] <elfy> I guess the change from a seperate search box - which worked well was as well
[19:21] <elfy> no clipping in the image - the screenshot encompasses the right edge of the monitor - if I had 2 monitors it would be on the next monitor
[19:22] <elfy> if you look at the channel names you can see what's been lost fairly easily
[19:24] <Unit193> Pulled it up, I see.
[22:33] <bluesabre> Unit193: d'oh
[22:33] <ochosi> hey
[22:33] <Unit193> Howdy.  Well I'm here to help. :)
[22:34] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, if you need anything wrt uploader application let me know
[22:34] <bluesabre> hey ochosi/Unit193
[22:34] <bluesabre> ochosi: sure, going to try to finish it tonight
[22:35] <ochosi> great
[22:35] <bluesabre> s/tonight/starting now
[22:35] <Unit193> Indeed, great.
[22:36] <ochosi> in other "news", can we get Unit193's recipes for xfpm and parole to the xubuntu-dev staging PPA for utopic?
[22:36] <Unit193> Would be handy if I could still have access to edit them though. :P
[22:36] <bluesabre> :)
[22:36] <ochosi> oh, and i added support for controlling the x11 screensaver blanking to xfpm today (still in a branch)
[22:37] <Unit193> But, as long as I can push to the packaging branch, should be fine.
[22:37] <bluesabre> sure, link to recipes?
[22:38] <bluesabre> or I can dig them up
[22:38] <bluesabre> :)
[22:38] <bluesabre> got them
[22:38] <bluesabre> thanks
[22:39] <Unit193> Should just be able to re-target it.
[22:40] <bluesabre> I think I'll have to copy them to ~xubuntu-dev so they have upload rights
[22:40] <bluesabre> same recipe, different home
[22:42] <ochosi> humm, i just got invited to slack: https://slack.com/is
[22:42] <ochosi> any of you know that or used that before?
[22:42] <bluesabre> irc++ ?
[22:43] <bluesabre> looks interesting
[22:43] <ochosi> yeah, it does
[22:44] <ochosi> i'm just afraid of tool overflow
[22:44] <ochosi> although it seems to integrate stuff like github and trell
[22:44] <ochosi> o
[22:45] <bluesabre> which ppa would you like me to target? xfce-4.12?
[22:45] <ochosi> but i guess as long as launchpad isn't one of them (and it'd surprise me if it ever would), it's not really a great option for us
[22:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: Bad idea. :P
[22:45] <bluesabre> oh right
[22:45] <bluesabre> daily
[22:45] <bluesabre> ;
[22:45] <bluesabre> )
[22:45] <ochosi> we have different ppas now, yeah :)
[22:46] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ppa
[22:46] <bluesabre> ?
[22:47] <ochosi> i'd suggest https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xubuntu-staging
[22:49] <bluesabre> ok, works for me
[22:49] <bluesabre> setting up now
[22:50] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+recipe/parole-daily
[22:54] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+recipe/xfpm-daily
[22:56] <bluesabre> ochosi: want to continue my xubuntu-release membership?
[22:57] <ochosi> oh sure
[23:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: bumped
[23:00] <bluesabre> yayyyyyy
[23:00] <ochosi> :)
[23:09] <ochosi> http://www.webupd8.org/2014/06/audacious-going-back-to-gtk2-starting.html
[23:09] <ochosi> this is fun news
[23:10] <bluesabre> interesting at least
[23:10] <bluesabre> don't like gtk3, going back to gtk2, so I can go to QT
[23:11] <ochosi> yeah, i was being sarcastic
[23:12] <bluesabre> :)
[23:12] <ochosi> going back to gtk2 doesn't really solve anything
[23:13] <Unit193> ochosi: Why not?  The goal is to move to Qt, updating your "stable" branch every 5 minutes due to upstream isn't really good.  GTK2 is stable enough they don't need to keep one eye on that and  one on Qt.
[23:18] <ochosi> i dunno, i guess i'd just try to leap to qt directly, but everyone his/her own
[23:28] <ochosi> night everyone