[00:48] <oneof3> hello. when i choose reboot it wont. It kind of just shuts down and goes black then tried to reboot. Any idea what the issue is?
[00:49] <oneof3> but a hardshutdown works then it boots
[04:20] <MisterAcacia> Hi all. Not sure if this is xubuntu or better elsewhere. Xubuntu 14.04 using Skype, I don't have Skype showing as an application in PulseAudio. Other apps appear, but not Skype.
[04:33] <MisterAcacia> The odd thing is that Skype sounds come through, though at 100%, and in pasystray it shows as a playback stream. But in pavucontrol it doesn't show
[04:34] <MisterAcacia> And audio from a call shows in playback.
[10:54] <Meerkat> how can I add more than 4 keyboard layouts in keyboard settings?
[10:54] <Meerkat> 14.04
[11:47] <Meerkat> apparently this issue goes deep. :(
[14:12] <Hedgework> Hey, all.  I have a wireless Plantronics headset and a machine running Xubuntu 14.04.  My machine will recognize the headset (I can see it's correct device ID in dmesg when I plug it in, and both alsamixer and pavucontrol list it) but not play sound to it.  Sound is "working" in that the HDMI sound device I don't want to use can be made to play sounds.
[14:13] <Hedgework> I'm seeing a lot of "retire_playback_urb: 831 callbacks suppressed" in dmesg, which is probably relevant.
[14:13] <Hedgework> ('831' there is just a count, it increases bit by bit)
[14:14] <Hedgework> This is really frustrating, as I'd like to listen to music while I work without making my officemates hate me, however I'm not sure how to troubleshoot it as I don't use pulseaudio on my other systems and thus am not terribly familiar with it.
[14:14] <Hedgework> Any help would be appreciated. :)
[14:56] <GridCube> Hedgework, open pavucontrol and the program you are using to stream music
[14:56] <GridCube> then play the music and see in pavucontrol where the stream is being sent
[14:56] <Hedgework> GridCube: Did that.  It appears to be streaming, and pavucontrol appears to think my headphones are outputting sound :/
[14:57] <Hedgework> GridCube: the only weird thing is that on the 'Configuration' tab, I see "Plantronics Wireless Audio" set to profile 'Analog Stereo Output + Analog Mono Input' while in the 'Output Devices' tab, it's listed as mono output
[14:59] <GridCube> mmhm
[15:06] <akis> hi all. Upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 or clean installation of 14.04? What is best?
[15:07] <Hedgework> OMG I fixed it!  That was sooo stupid.
[15:08] <Hedgework> GridCube: It turns out that I'd left the headset sitting in my desk too long while I was away...I noticed it was dead and recharged it, but didn't realize it was so dead that it lost pairing with it's transciever.
[15:08] <Hedgework> GridCube: re-pairing them made everything work.
[15:09] <GridCube> XD
[15:09] <GridCube> Hedgework, :D awesome then
[15:09] <Hedgework> yay, I have music again!
[15:09] <GridCube> akis, clean installs are always recomended, though updates should be perfectly ok
[15:09] <GridCube> akis, remember to always backup sensitive information when you are doing stuff like this
[15:10] <GridCube> regardles of any option you take
[15:10] <Hedgework> akis: Updating "should" work fine, but I've found that with Ubuntu I prefer to back up then re-install.  I've found that binary distros in general make assumptions about what their users are running, and that many OS-version upgrades can make you drift far enough from those assumptions to make troubleshooting difficult.
[15:10] <akis> GridCube: if i choose a clean installation my /home backup will work with 14.04?
[15:10] <Hedgework> akis: Yes.
[15:11] <GridCube> akis, yes, but then you will have to remember to remove default .config files
[15:11] <akis> Hedgework: yes "should work" thath is very clear!
[15:11] <GridCube> just in case they are not compatible with new program settings
[15:11] <GridCube> akis, should work is the best we can give you in this lands
[15:12] <akis> what is the best backup program in your opinion using GUI?
[15:12] <Hedgework> I have no idea, sorry.  I use command-line tools for backup.
[15:13] <bazhang_> !info grsync
[15:13] <GridCube> !backup
[15:13] <akis> give me a link for those command lines tools too!
[15:13] <bazhang_> depends on your needs
[15:13] <bazhang_> rsync is one option
[15:14] <akis> grsync and rsync are available in ubuntu software canter?
[15:14] <Hedgework> akis: I really like 'rsnapshot' which is very easy to configure, uses rsync heavily to minimize transfer, but also makes judicious use of hardlinks to allow you to keep multiple snapshots with a minimum of space consumption.
[15:15] <bazhang_> yes, they are in ubuntu repos
[15:15]  * Hedgework goes back to doing work
[15:17] <akis> both rsync and rsnapshot are installed in my system. Do they have GUI too or they are configured only through terminal?
[15:18] <bazhang_> grsync as I showed above
[15:20] <Hedgework> akis: grsync was just mentioned as a GUI interface to rsync.  I do not know of a GUI for rsnapshot -- to my knowledge, it's configured using your favorite text editor. :)
[15:20] <akis> i have configured my winmodem to work with my system. Is there any chance to backup this configouration or do i have to setup it again with 14.04?
[15:22] <Hedgework> akis: You should be able to back up any configuration on your system; you just need to know where it's stored.  System-wide configuration is usually in /etc somewhere, and user configs in the user's home directory.
[15:22] <akis> "grsync is a simple graphical interface using GTK2 for the rsync command line program." is it a backup program too?
[15:23] <Hedgework> akis: Note that /etc contains a *ton* of config, including critical stuff like your filesystem table (fstab) file, which tells Linux what to mount and where, so you shouldn't back it up as a whole then dump it on a new install, as doing so may break things.
[15:23] <bazhang_> rsync is a fast remote file copy and synchronization program - For more see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync
[15:23] <Hedgework> akis: Instead, it's better to back up the specific config files you care about bringing forward, and use a diff utility to merge in changes where needed.
[15:24] <akis> Hedgework: hmmm. that the point! How can i be sure where evereything i need is stored?!
[15:25] <Hedgework> akis: This is another good reason to use CLI -- you know what files you edited so you can grab them when needed -- that said, if you google the name of the app you used to configure the feature/settings that concern you (possibly adding "ubuntu" to the keywords) you'll likely find the name of the file.
[15:25] <Hedgework> akis: or just poke around /etc and find something with a relevant name, then look inside it to see if it really is what you guessed.
[15:25] <bazhang_> !info etckeeper
[15:25] <Hedgework> akis: Nearly everything in /etc is stored in a human-readable format, so you can learn bunches by just looking around.
[15:26] <Hedgework> <3 etckeeper, but that doesn't negate the need to carefully track what changes one migrates upon reinstall. :)
[15:27] <akis> Hedgework: Your advises are very useful.
[15:30] <akis> thanks all of you guys!
[15:30] <Hedgework> no problem :)
[15:31] <akis> i will check them all and i will read also the backup's references!
[15:32] <akis> i am not in hurry to go to 14.04 as 12.04 is still alive till apr 2015, isn't it?
[15:35] <akis> in your opinion on my 2 machines (notebook HP 1,5 ghz celeron with 1,5 gb ram & netbook Lenovo 1 ghz intel atom with 1 gb ram) running 12.04 is it recommended to go for 14.04 or switch to lubuntu 14.04 with a new clean installation for a better perfomance?
[15:35] <ARM9> lubuntu 14.04 clean install
[15:36] <ARM9> but you could also go for xubuntu with both those specs, if you want a bit of the fancy stuff
[15:36] <Hedgework> I can't really comment on that.  I'm running xubuntu, but without most of the standard stuff (I use a lighter wm, etc) so I doubt my proc/memory usage are at all representative
[15:36] <ARM9> for the HP that is, not sure about the lenovo (512MiB minimum recommended for xubuntu so)
[15:37] <akis> ARM9: i run it already from live CD and it is very fast indeed. Can i use in lubuntu kde apps too?
[15:37] <holstein> akis: i cant imagine there being anything about 14.04 that would improved dialup connections.. if that is a deal breaker.. you should be able to try 14.04 live, and its a good idea to do so.. 14.04 would be the latest version with the latest packages..
[15:37] <ARM9> I run xubuntu pretty much as it comes out of the box, with firefox and flash player running I'm already up at 800MiB  ram, and that's with 2 tabs open in firefox (it eats memory something ferociously)
[15:38] <ARM9> akis yes you can use kde apps in lubuntu, but then you'll often need to install some packages from kde which I can't recommend personally
[15:38] <akis> ARM9: i think that wiht chromium browsing is faster!
[15:39] <ARM9> sure, but chromium can be a memory hog too at times
[15:39] <ARM9> and if you start having to use swap your system is not going to like you
[15:40] <akis> ARM9: yes, i konow about packeges needed. i am doing the same with my 12.04. I am using dolphin and i cannot go anywhere without it! I love "move" command too!
[15:41] <holstein> akis: you can run what you like where you like
[15:41] <ARM9> to be honest I think the most limiting factor in both of those laptops is ram, I'd recommend lxde, openbox or other lightweight wm if you don't need all the cruft of kde etal
[15:42] <holstein> akis: you insatll whatever applications you want, and the libraires needed will be pulled in.. many folks dont like to have kde libs mixed in.. as ARM9 is explainging ^
[15:42] <akis> ARM9: I really am afraid that my Lenovo should not work smoothly with 14.04 because already under 12.04 it is slow!
[15:42] <holstein> akis: try it live, friend.. that can depend on many factors.. driver support..
[15:43] <ARM9> akis if you're using ubuntu (stock flavor) 12.04 you should notice significant speedups from lubuntu 14.04
[15:43] <ARM9> also a clean install is always nice
[15:43] <holstein> akis: its not blanketly statable that 14.04 is "faster" or "slower" than 12.04.. nothing about 14.04 is adding any additional overhead to make it slower.. but, hardware support can make or break performance
[15:43] <akis> yea sure. i am talking for a clean installation
[15:44]  * holstein also prefers a clean install.. you should have your data backed up regardless, before doing *either* an upgrade or fresh install, since *all* hard drives fail
[15:45] <akis> holstein: i understand that the difference is between the manager every os uses. ldxe is pretty light. i check alrady through live cd. but i missed the beaty of xfce!
[15:47] <holstein> akis: im not suggesting you dont use xfce.. im saying, you'll have to try 14.04 on your hardware and see.. could be, for your hardware set, some kernel module in 14.04 makes performance *way* better.. could be worse.. could be similar
[15:48] <holstein> akis: typically, intel hardware is well supported, and doesnt get worse by upgrading. but, nothing about any operating system current is going to be bothering much with dialup connections.. that would be something i would be testing firsthand, if it were important to me
[15:49] <akis> holstein: You have right. But according to my hardware configuration I am not afraid about my Hp's performace as my Lenovo's.
[15:49] <holstein> if you are asking "should you upgrade to 14.04?".. i have.. and do. and suggest it. though, if i had a hardware or software requirement that made 12.04 a "better" choice, i would run it
[15:52] <akis> holstein: Historically any newer OS asks higher hardware configuration. So if somebody wants to avoid to buy new hardware has or to not upgrade or choose a lighter OS. Thanks Ubuntu we have the choise for a lighter one, isn't it?
[15:53] <holstein> akis: try it live, friend.. and see.. its not "typical" for linux to do that, at all
[15:54] <holstein> akis: it is fact that moving forward, systems can need more resources to "keep up".. but thats not as typical with linux operating systems, and the difference in 12.04 vs 14.04, for me, specifcally, on *all* my hardware is quite similar
[15:55] <akis> holstein: I will try it to my Lenovo too! Maybe you have right. The most difficult for me is to re-configurate and customize my systems as i have them already. It is boring to re-customize every application in your actual needs!
[15:56] <holstein> akis: you'll want a backup regardless.. *when* that hard drive fails, you lose those settings as well.. so, go ahead and plan for that, and do either one you choose.. fresh install allows for placing those configurations back in..
[15:56] <holstein> you can also try a hardware channel, since, if you are experiencing slow speeds on "the lenovo" on every operating system you put on the unit, it could be bad/failing hardware and/or misconfiguration
[15:59] <akis> I really thank you all of yoy for your very useful advises. I will "live" test new versions and i will decide what to do. If i will need any help i will ask you help. Have a nice day!
[16:33] <yoLo_> Hey, has the ubuntu coming out of sleep problem been fixed ??
[16:33] <yoLo_> my PC goes blank and cannot recover from sleep
[16:34] <yoLo_> i know am not the only person with this issue ?
[16:34] <Unit193> Fix is in proposed, should be released soon.
[16:34] <yoLo_> hmm..
[16:35] <yoLo_> 14.04 is great but that issue has caused nightmares..
[16:35] <yoLo_> salamander version was great
[16:41] <yoLo_> should probably switch to debian
[16:42] <holstein> yoLo_: to address bugs?
[16:43] <yoLo_> no switch OS
[16:43] <holstein> yoLo_: sure.. you are trying to switch to debian to get away from bugs?
[16:45] <yoLo_> yes :|
[16:47] <holstein> yoLo_: go for it.. let us know how that goes.. i dont recall debian stating that debian is free of bugs..
[16:54] <psx_> Hello guys