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Kilosbbrrrrrr05:03
Kilosmmm mmm  mma  morning all05:03
bdukMorning everyone05:21
Kiloshi bduk 05:22
Kilossjoe ek kry koud man05:22
bdukHoe gaan dit jou kant Kilos ? Neeman lekker vanmore05:22
Kilosman al die water buite is geys05:23
Kilosge ys05:23
Kilosek nie n pikkewyn nie05:23
bdukSo?? 05:24
ThatGraemeGuymornings06:08
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 06:08
ThatGraemeGuyhow's the cotton production going Kilos?06:11
Kiloshavent looked yet ThatGraemeGuy just updating/upgrading06:11
ThatGraemeGuyah06:11
Kilosmirror very slow today 655 B/s at times06:12
Kilosmedthinks it must be a bit broken06:13
ThatGraemeGuytry another one06:13
nuvolario/ mornings everyone06:14
Kilosya i will but i looked at what was in partial in archives and using synaptic to reinstall them all and too much work to set that up again06:14
Kiloshi nuvolari 06:14
ThatGraemeGuyKilos:  http://askubuntu.com/a/903506:14
Kiloscool ty will save that info, will need it when i install server06:15
Kilosone cant change it midstream of getting stuff methinks06:16
ThatGraemeGuyyou can change mirrors whenever you want06:16
ThatGraemeGuywell not if you mean you are actively downloading, no06:17
ThatGraemeGuyyou need to change mirrors and then apt-get update06:17
Kilosya but then you gotta apt-get update and what synaptic is busy with will surely be interfered with?06:17
ThatGraemeGuyyou won't be able to update if you're busy06:18
Kilosah06:18
ThatGraemeGuysynaptic is just a pretty front-end for apt anyway06:18
Kilosyes but nice to use to reinstall different things at once06:18
ThatGraemeGuyand if any apt tool is busy it creates a lock so that no other apt tools can do anything until its done06:18
Kilosbut our mirror very sick 226B/s now06:20
ThatGraemeGuythen stop what you're doing and change to use the way they do it in that link i posted06:20
ThatGraemeGuyits supposed to select the fastest mirror06:20
Kilosya but synaptic is busy and the partials are different files some gvfs some gnome som gir etc06:22
Kilosso ill let it finish then do the fastest mirror bit06:23
ThatGraemeGuyok then sit and wait all day for it to finish at speeds dial-up users would be frustrated with :)06:23
Kiloslol man i can talk to you fine still06:23
Kilosrest of pc is still going06:23
ThatGraemeGuytalking to me doesn't help your updates complete any faster ;-p06:24
Kilosya but takes my mind off the frustration06:24
Kiloshehe06:24
ThatGraemeGuyso does cotton farming :)06:24
Kilosoh ya i can go see cotton so long06:24
ThatGraemeGuyi decided i'm going to develop my house a bit more and use my basement as central station for a network of underground tunnels06:25
ThatGraemeGuyfirst one will link up underneath the pyramid06:25
ThatGraemeGuywill get started sometime06:26
Kiloscool but mark them06:26
ThatGraemeGuyyeah i'll have signs06:26
Kilosi was thinking of doing similar with the roads that are up in the sky at places06:26
Kilostunnel them through mountains06:26
ThatGraemeGuyyeah06:27
ThatGraemeGuyi've fallen off sky roads more than once06:27
ThatGraemeGuyi tend to run along the ground and just use the road for guidance06:27
ThatGraemeGuyalso the web map has helped a lot, i don't get lost that easily anymore06:28
Kilossomething funny here. the is a mine near my cotton and i built it closed last night ,and its open again06:28
ThatGraemeGuymaybe someone is still using it and re-opened it06:29
Kilosread the source, are they fixtures you cant change06:29
Kiloshaha06:29
Kilosya but who06:29
ThatGraemeGuyfixtures you cant change? what do you mean?06:29
Kilosi mean is it something written in that that hole must be there06:30
ThatGraemeGuyno06:30
Kilosoh and when you look at source again please look at sheep in relation to lifespan06:31
ThatGraemeGuyi had that happen a while ago, i had mined out a nice stairway and when i came back the next day it was gone, and mese i had already mined re-appeared06:31
Kiloseish06:31
ThatGraemeGuyhow do you mean lifespan? they don't die as far as i know06:31
Kilosya they just disappear06:31
ThatGraemeGuyor maybe they do i haven't noticed06:31
ThatGraemeGuyah ok06:31
ThatGraemeGuyi don't really pay attention to them, they're worthless to me06:32
Kiloswe been catching them inna pen and they dont stay there06:32
ThatGraemeGuyi don't have that mod anyway, can't look at the code06:32
Kiloswith cotton they less use to me too06:32
ThatGraemeGuyi have a different one with cows and chickens and other animals06:32
Kiloswow06:33
Kilosso what is important now06:33
ThatGraemeGuyhow do you mean?06:34
Kilossorry was afk06:38
Kilosi mean getting a fast local host going hehe06:38
ThatGraemeGuyoh06:39
ThatGraemeGuymaybe sometime06:39
ThatGraemeGuythe world we have now is nicely developed already though06:39
ThatGraemeGuythought of getting a server but its R900/month, too rich for my budget06:40
ThatGraemeGuywe don't get any perks on that stuff, only on shared hosting06:40
Kilosim thinking about what we spoke about other day06:41
ThatGraemeGuyremind me?06:41
Kiloslets say i have a dual core 3g pc with 2g ram and install server and minetest06:41
Kilosand connect it to an adsl line06:42
Kilosand just give ip addy to certain peeps06:42
ThatGraemeGuyyou mean the adsl line you can't get where you live? :P06:42
Kilosthat should be very fast shouldnt it06:42
ThatGraemeGuyno idea06:42
Kilosman lets say i send you the pc to put on your adsl line06:43
ThatGraemeGuyi can try and run it on my pc at home, but that's got an atom CPU, not sure how well it would work06:43
ThatGraemeGuyi'm not running some dual core monstrosity permanently, electricity is expensive06:43
ThatGraemeGuythat'06:43
ThatGraemeGuythat's why i have an atom-based pc :)06:43
Kilosim trying to figure a way to eliminate all the mess that comes with online hosts06:43
ThatGraemeGuythere is no mess06:44
ThatGraemeGuyit just costs money06:44
Kiloslets say at work in a corner man06:44
ThatGraemeGuyhosting it at home also costs money in the form of more expensive adsl and more electricity usage06:44
Kilosforget the where and see if its practical06:44
ThatGraemeGuyyou cannot forget the where06:44
Kiloswe can ask zuma to plug it in at nkanla i think its called06:45
ThatGraemeGuywho's paying for the electricity and bandwidth?06:45
ThatGraemeGuyheh06:45
ThatGraemeGuyyeah do that06:45
Kiloscotton looking good06:46
Kilosbut lots didnt grow06:46
Kiloswill replant06:46
Kiloswhat is an attom based pc06:47
Kilosatom06:47
Kilosi read somewhere someone set up some pc. maybe it was atom and used R7 electricity in over a month06:48
ThatGraemeGuyMaaz: google intel atom06:48
MaazThatGraemeGuy: "Intel® Atom™ Processor" http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/atom/atom-processor.html :: "Intel® Atom™ Processor - ARK" http://ark.intel.com/products/family/29035/Intel-Atom-Processor :: "Intel Atom (CPU) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom_(CPU) :: "List of Intel Atom microprocessors -06:48
MaazWikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microproces…06:48
Squirmmorning06:49
Kiloshi Squirm 06:49
ThatGraemeGuyi see web africa has virtual servers starting at R99/month06:49
ThatGraemeGuyi'll try that, it's not terribly expensive06:49
Kilosok06:49
Kilosim sure a pc dont use R99 electricity a month06:50
ThatGraemeGuyonly 1gb of ram but might be enough even06:50
Kilosthe fly ram a p2 as a server with 256 ram and he said it worked fine06:51
Kilosbut i spose no game on it06:51
ThatGraemeGuynot sure how memory hungry minetest is though06:51
Kilosn ow i go let real sheep out06:52
Kiloswbb06:52
Kilosoh when them cotton balls get rotten, you can pick very much cotton07:23
ThatGraemeGuylol07:24
ThatGraemeGuyi've been meaning to signpost my field "Them old cotton fields back home"07:25
Kiloshahaha07:25
ThatGraemeGuyi ordered a virtual server from web africa07:27
ThatGraemeGuyR1/month for the first 2 months07:27
ThatGraemeGuythat's a 2GB ram allocation, i'll see about limiting minetest server to get an idea if it can run with just 1GB, then i'll downgrade to a 1GB VM after the 2 month promotion is over07:28
Kilosok07:29
KilosR1 a month for 2 months then Rpp?07:29
ThatGraemeGuy29907:29
KilosR9907:29
ThatGraemeGuybut the 1GB one is R9907:29
KilosR29907:29
ThatGraemeGuyi think 1GB is ok, but the promotion is only for the 2GB so might as well get it so long07:30
Kilosok07:30
Kilosafrihost the mtn buddies?07:34
ThatGraemeGuyyes mtn bought a controlling share of them07:34
ThatGraemeGuyand their adsl network is built on mtn for the last couple of years07:34
psyatwhi Kilos 07:35
psyatwhi ThatGraemeGuy 07:35
psyatwKilos, happy belated birthday07:35
psyatwhi drussell 07:35
Kiloshi psyatw 07:35
Kilosty lad07:36
psyatwI haven't been here much lately, life catching up with me, I guess07:36
Kilosbad boy07:36
Kilosmeeting tonight07:36
psyatwhehe07:36
psyatwI may actually be able to attend then07:36
ThatGraemeGuy'lo psyatw07:40
Kilosso ThatGraemeGuy you got wool in the give away bin?07:44
Kilosbin/bucket/basket/chest07:44
ThatGraemeGuymy wool is locked away :P07:46
ThatGraemeGuyi haven't decided yet what i'm using it for07:46
Kilosoi08:02
Kilossell to me man08:02
Kilosill give gold08:02
Kiloshavent found a use for gold08:02
Kilosno matter what host or server we use we gotta try keep this game going. dunno if you can copy the database or what08:03
Kilostoo much work and data to start from scratch08:04
ThatGraemeGuyyou'll have to ping superfly about that08:08
ThatGraemeGuyits his database08:08
Kiloshe will im sure08:08
Kiloshmm... ThatGraemeGuy can one drive do 2 jobs? as in run server alongside a working os08:14
ThatGraemeGuythere is so much wrong with that question :)08:15
Kilosoh08:15
Kiloscan you fix it?08:15
ThatGraemeGuyi assume you mean minetest server when you say "server"?08:16
Kilosnot in virtual mode i mean but on its own partition08:16
Kilosno server server08:16
Kilosubuntu srver08:16
ThatGraemeGuya server is nothing special, just a machine that's job happens to be running certain things that people can connect to08:17
ThatGraemeGuydo you mean running a "server" on your existing disk alongside your normal tasks? that's virtualisation08:17
Kiloswhew08:18
Kilosoh so if i install alongside will it still work as a server even though im in the gui system08:19
ThatGraemeGuyi think you are confusing yourself with terminology08:20
ThatGraemeGuysay you have 1 hard disk08:20
Kilosor will it wanna choose at boot which one to use08:20
ThatGraemeGuyyou create just 1 partition and install ubuntu. doesn't matter if it's "server" or "desktop" that's not really relevant to anything except your intended use08:20
ThatGraemeGuyso are you asking if you can have multiple partitions on the disk, each with its own self-contained O/S?08:21
Kilosyes08:21
ThatGraemeGuyyes, you can, and when you boot, grub will ask you which one you want to boot08:21
ThatGraemeGuyand until you reboot, you are only using whichever one you selected08:22
Kilosif you are in the gui system will the server still be usable as a separate server 08:22
Kilosoh08:22
Kilosso useless with server on same drive08:22
Kiloson same machine even no good08:23
ThatGraemeGuyno, if you boot the O/S on /dev/sda1 (example), then only that 1 operating system is active08:23
Kilossigh08:23
Kilosok ty08:23
ThatGraemeGuyif you want to run another O/S at the same time then that's what virtualisation is for08:23
Kilosya but thats slow08:23
Kilosso not an option08:23
ThatGraemeGuythen the "hard disk" for the virtual machine is just a normal file as far as your "main" o/s is concerned08:24
ThatGraemeGuywhoever told you that doesn't know what they are talking about08:24
Kiloswhat?08:24
ThatGraemeGuythat its slow08:24
Kilosi tried virtual box before and it was slow running other systems08:24
ThatGraemeGuyif you have a good amount of RAM and don't allocate too much to your VMs it is fine08:25
ThatGraemeGuythen you did something weird, virtualisation is not slow in and of itself08:25
Kilosthis too much brain work ill install server on old pc08:25
Kilosjust gotta fight router08:26
ThatGraemeGuyk08:26
ThatGraemeGuyKilos: my vm is ready just upgrading it to 14.04 before i do anything else11:41
ThatGraemeGuyi got my minetest config prepped with some other mods as well, we can see how it goes11:41
ThatGraemeGuyshould have it ready by tonight if you want to try and test speed11:42
Kiloswow that was quick ThatGraemeGuy 11:43
Kiloslet me know ill try it11:43
Kilosi been cooking and catching some uv's11:44
ThatGraemeGuycareful, not too many UVs :)11:44
Kilostvl uvs are weak this time of the year11:45
Kilosaw mouse jammed at bottom of screen again forgot to stay by minetest till open11:46
Kilosesc dont release it so will reboot with cli11:47
Kilosohi superfly 11:53
superflyhi Kilos11:53
ThatGraemeGuyKilos: what happens if you press ESC in the game?11:54
Kilosit opens the thing to logout and other stuff11:54
ThatGraemeGuyweird11:55
ThatGraemeGuysounds like some other key is stuck, alt/ctrl maybe11:55
ThatGraemeGuyor windows key11:55
Kilosbut if the game is busy opening and i come to irc then mouse disappears11:55
Kilosi will try that next time i forget11:55
Kilosminetest steals the mouse11:56
Kilosgrrr11:56
ThatGraemeGuyit does for me too, but if i press ESC it pauses, goes to a menu-like screen and releases the mouse11:57
Kiloswow even if you in another app?11:58
ThatGraemeGuyi'm not sure i follow11:58
Kiloslike hexchat or pidgin11:58
ThatGraemeGuyif i start minetest it captures the mouse, but if i press ESC i get it back11:59
Kilosi have to wait till minetest is open then esc then go to pidgin or hexchat11:59
ThatGraemeGuymmm11:59
Kilosya but open minetest and before its logged in then come here11:59
ThatGraemeGuysounds right i guess i don't understand the problem then11:59
Kilosits only if i come here before minetest is actually logged in12:00
ThatGraemeGuystill don't understand what you are on about12:01
Kilosthen im chatting here and cant use the mouse because its locked to minetest12:01
ThatGraemeGuyoh, weird12:01
ThatGraemeGuytry alt+tab until minetest is active, then ESX12:01
ThatGraemeGuyESC even12:01
Kilosand minetest is on workspace 2 and hexchat is on workspace 812:02
ThatGraemeGuyyeah, you've lost me12:02
Kilosthen i cant use the mouse to switch workspaces12:02
Kilosdo you use only one workspace/desktop12:03
ThatGraemeGuytypically, yes12:03
ThatGraemeGuynever seen the value in using workspaces12:03
Kilosi have 10. one for evolution , one for pidgin, one for hexchat 1 for terminal running iftop and another terminal and browser on one and minetest on one12:05
ThatGraemeGuyi have a taskbar and alt+tab keys :)12:05
Kilosalt +tab gives me the choice of only 3 of them it doesnt switch from one to the other12:06
ThatGraemeGuyok, good luck then12:06
ThatGraemeGuyi have no idea what's going on there12:06
Kilosit pops up a little window with choices and its never the minetest one so i can go there and hiy escape to release the mouse12:07
Kilosits unity, gnome2 spoiled me with the workspace switcher12:08
ThatGraemeGuyi don't know unity but if you keep pressing tab you probably eventually get to what you need12:08
ThatGraemeGuyunless the alt+tab under unity doesn't include all your workspaces12:09
Kilosoh alt+tab then tab tab tab?12:09
ThatGraemeGuyunity is a joke imho12:09
ThatGraemeGuykeep holding alt, and tab tab tab12:09
Kiloscool will try that next time12:09
Kilosty12:09
Kilosthe prob with unity is that noobs all get there first and if i cant see it in front of me i cant help them12:10
Kilosotherwise id stay with kde only12:10
ThatGraemeGuymeh12:10
ThatGraemeGuywe can't all help with everything, you should use what makes sense for you12:11
Kilosmy imagination image maker thing dont work12:11
Kilosi cant picture things12:11
Kilossee them in my imagination that is12:14
Kiloshehe12:14
Kilosgot a broken pipe12:14
ThatGraemeGuyman release upgrades take forever12:19
Kilosyay first cotton harvest done12:22
ThatGraemeGuycool12:24
ThatGraemeGuyhow big did you make your field? i usually get enough strings from a harvest to make 60-70 wool12:25
Kilos2 fields quite big i think12:25
Kiloswill see when finished harvest second one12:26
Kilos4x99 and 1x19 string12:27
ThatGraemeGuynice12:28
Kilos99 wool12:33
Kilosfly will be happy12:33
ThatGraemeGuyi think he's done with the sails12:40
ThatGraemeGuymaybe he can start a new ship12:40
Kiloslol12:40
ThatGraemeGuybuild a huge ocean for it :-D12:40
Kiloslag min today. it opens as fast as i walk to the deep12:40
Kilosthere now i got cotton growing at the deep as well12:48
Kilosw00t12:48
Kiloscotton be lekker , easier than chasing after sheep12:50
ThatGraemeGuyKilos: one of the modules i've messed with adds trasure chests12:52
ThatGraemeGuytreasure too12:52
ThatGraemeGuythey generate randomly and contain some random stuff12:52
Kiloslekker thats for gold that has no use12:52
ThatGraemeGuythe deeper you find them the more valuable the stuff in it becomes12:52
Kilosah thats cool12:53
ThatGraemeGuyso at the surface it might have some wood, and basic tools, but at -300 you might find one with some diamonds or mese12:53
ThatGraemeGuypretty cool12:53
Kilosya12:54
KilosThatGraemeGuy, log off minetest12:57
Kilosdatabase coming12:57
Kilosthe flys one that is12:58
superflyKilos: he's not logged on, but you are :-P12:58
Kilosim off12:58
Kilossorry i forgot he was on his new one12:58
ThatGraemeGuynot now, i have this work thing to attend to12:58
superflyah, there we go12:58
superflyor we can do it later this evening, when ThatGraemeGuy is home12:59
ThatGraemeGuyyes, better12:59
Kilosya that will be cool , gives me time to get more wool12:59
Kiloshehe12:59
ThatGraemeGuyor we can wait until we see if a local server even helps the issue12:59
Kilosok12:59
Kilosi actually got to do some farm stuff too13:00
ThatGraemeGuysuperfly: do you know how much memory your server uses?13:00
ThatGraemeGuyminetest process i mean13:00
superflyI'll check quickly for you13:00
ThatGraemeGuyi got a WA vm that's 2GB, they have a deal where its R1/month for first 2 months13:01
ThatGraemeGuyafter that R29913:01
ThatGraemeGuybut a 1GB vm is only R9913:01
ThatGraemeGuyso if 1GB would be enough i'm happy to keep paying that13:01
superflyyes, 1 GB should be enough13:02
ThatGraemeGuycool13:02
superflyI think minetest usually sits at about 400-500 megs when everyone is on13:02
ThatGraemeGuyi think we can let kilos test it out a bit before we move it over, yes?13:02
ThatGraemeGuyand then if it works ok we can sort out access with ssh keys etc13:03
superflysure13:06
superflyI'm at home today, let me know when you want the world13:07
ThatGraemeGuyonly get time for that sort of thing after 8 or so13:07
ThatGraemeGuysuppertimebathtimestorytimebedtimepleasejustonemorestorypleaseokyesnowreallybedtime13:08
ThatGraemeGuyetc13:08
Kiloslol13:16
Kilosthe joys of parenthood13:17
ThatGraemeGuy:)13:18
superflyThatGraemeGuy: Wow, you too?! :-P13:19
ThatGraemeGuyyup, every night :)13:19
superflyfor me it's 9pm. Eldest goes to bed at 8, youngest doesn't usually hit the hay before 913:29
Kilosmeeting tonight13:29
Kilos20.3013:30
Kilosinetpro, ping13:30
inetproKilos: pong14:16
Kiloshi inetpro meeting tonight hey14:16
Kilosno excuses14:16
inetprohmm... if I pop in it might be late14:16
Kilosoh my wassup14:17
inetproother commitments 14:17
inetprosorry14:17
Kilosoi14:17
Kilosits ok ill get you back14:17
Kiloshehe14:17
ThatGraemeGuysuperfly: still here?14:44
superflyThatGraemeGuy: yep14:47
ThatGraemeGuykeep seeing stuff that say "player X moved too fast" seems related to some anti-cheating stuff, did you turn that off?14:48
ThatGraemeGuyevery time it happens, i just transported back in time a few seconds14:48
ThatGraemeGuyuh s/just/get14:49
superflynope14:49
ThatGraemeGuymmmkay14:49
superflylet me see14:50
AndChat|99281Hi guys14:50
superflyhi AndChat|9928114:50
AndChat|99281How do i change my nick superfly14:51
ThatGraemeGuy/nick newnick14:52
Kiloshi AndChat|99281 who you?14:53
Kiloswelcome to ubuntu-za if you need linux help you in the right place14:54
AndChat|99281No  thatgraemguy doesnt work. Hi kilos its bduk  from my tab14:54
superflyit works for me, why not you?14:55
=== AndChat|99281 is now known as bduk1
Kilosah14:55
bduk1Ok doesnt want bduk must put 1 at r14:55
bduk1At the end14:55
bduk1Is the meeting tonight 14:56
Kilosyip14:56
Kilos20.3014:56
bduk1Time14:56
Kiloshmm...14:56
Kilos20.3014:56
bduk1Ill try to make it14:56
Kiloscool14:57
Kilosinetpro, G+ dint even say anything about the meeting14:58
Kilosgrrr14:58
Kilosnor twitter14:59
bduk1Where,s the meeting tonight kilos15:12
superflybduk1: here15:28
Kiloshmm...15:29
Kilosskop mazal and get him to attend as well15:29
bduk1I thought it was at soeones house now i cant join. I already told my wife ill be out tonight15:35
bduk1Kilos im not near mazal now15:36
Kiloslol15:38
Kilosyes you can go to superfly s house15:38
bduk1Only joking15:40
Kilosbduk1, dont use our meeting as an excuse to go jolling15:40
Kilosjust tell her youll be outa comms with her for 1 hour but youll stay at home to keep her safe15:40
bduk1Dont like to go out at nights anymore. These days  you have to work during the day and play security at night15:42
Kilosyip15:43
bduk1You still playing mine game kilos15:44
Kilosya15:44
Kilosbduk1, the server is offline for general repairs15:52
Kilosoiling the hinges and new seals on the flanges15:53
bduk1Mazal build us a server at work were playing. I wan to play on this one sometimes from home but the lag is killing me15:54
Kiloswe hoping the repairs will sort the lag15:55
Kiloshe built such a big castle on this one15:56
Kilosi looked there today15:56
bduk1Its nice at work but a bit boring with only  us playing, but if you click on something it happens imediately15:57
bduk1Its a lot of work playing 2 games15:58
Kilosya starting from scratch is too much like hard work15:58
Kilosi cant start from scratch again15:59
Kiloshi bushtech meeting tonight hey16:00
charl_hi Kilos 16:00
charl_i'll be here for the meeting16:00
Kiloshi charl_ 16:00
charl_just came back from amsterdam16:00
Kiloscool16:00
charl_had some wifi on the train but it was uber slow16:01
charl_couldn't do anything really16:01
charl_signal was terrible16:01
Kilosi just came back from the sheep kraal16:01
charl_lol16:01
charl_ok lemme make dinner16:01
charl_bbl16:01
bduk1Didnt know you can go to amsterdam by train16:02
charl_bduk1: eh... you can go anywhere by train :P16:02
charl_wherever the trains go, i mean16:02
charl_the rest you travel by the busa16:02
bduk1Ok16:02
charl_*bus16:02
charl_bbl16:03
* Trixar_za mumbles17:00
charl_hi Trixar_za 17:04
Trixar_zaHi charl_17:05
Kiloswhat you mumbling about Trixar_za 17:06
Trixar_zaPython17:07
Trixar_zaMore exactly, how wrongly I'm using my own library :P17:07
GrembleI once used a library, but then I took a hardcover to the face17:17
GrembleOn second thought, it may be less than appropriate to use it as karaoki venue17:17
Trixar_zaArrow to the knee Gremble17:17
GrembleI don't actually think I know anyone that can put an arrow in  a knee except their own17:18
GrembleI once put in arrow in a robin-spot, but I suspect that may have been luck of the draw17:18
Trixar_zaThe joke is normally "I used to be X, but then I took an arrow to the knee" - it's a joke on Skyrim that has NPCs use that as a default excuse17:21
GrembleI am familiar with it. :P Hence the structure of my initial statement17:21
GrembleYou just let me make an archery pun as well17:22
Kiloshi hexdream welcome to ubuntu-za17:30
Kilosdo we know you?17:30
Kiloshi kbmonkey wb17:31
KilosMaaz, coffee on17:31
* Maaz flips the salt-timer17:31
Kilosyay im still nline17:31
Kilosonline too17:31
bushtechLucky you17:31
Kilosi see you battling bushtech 17:32
kbmonkeyhello hello17:32
Kilosrev vodacom man17:32
bushtechyeah sigh17:32
bushtechwill do so again17:32
Kilosyou cant take a days break till its fixed. you gotta nag daily17:33
Kilosother wise your complaint goes to file 1317:33
KilosMaaz, voda help17:34
MaazKilos: What?17:34
KilosMaaz, voda complaints17:34
MaazECLO.Tswai@vodacom.co.za17:34
Kilosmail them then its on record17:35
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!17:35
KilosMaaz, danke17:35
MaazBitteschön17:35
Kiloskbmonkey, is hexdream one of the durbs lug peeps17:35
bushtechKilos,Maaz thanks17:39
KilosMaaz, is our bot bushtech 17:39
MaazKilos: Sorry...17:39
bushtechManiere is maniere17:40
Kiloshehe17:41
KilosMaaz, thanks man17:41
MaazKilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)17:41
KilosMaaz, botsnack17:41
MaazThank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp17:41
kbmonkeyhi Kilos, I am not sure who that is17:45
Kilosok17:45
kbmonkeynot so cold here tonight. how about there Kilos ?17:48
Kiloseish kbmonkey gonna freeze up again17:49
kbmonkeyow17:49
Kilosweather liars say 2 for pta but when they say 4 and 6 we get frost and water ices up anyway17:49
Kilosso we will most likely be -217:50
kbmonkeythat is pretty cold17:52
kbmonkeykeep beers outside17:52
Kiloslol17:52
bushtechthe 2 legged beer stealers operate at peak efficiency at -217:53
Kilosya and they take sheep for appetizers17:54
bushtechzigactly17:54
hexdreamHi All, Sorry, stepped out for a few minutes. I'm new here. I lurk occasionally.17:55
hexdreamYip, I'm a Durbs linux geek :-)17:56
Kiloscool hexdream you welcome, ive been nagging vince for about a year to get you guys here17:59
Kiloswe sometimes have noobs to linux that need helpand other times not noobs that need advanced help18:00
Kiloshi Vince-0 18:01
Vince-0Hi Kilos18:01
Vince-0*dota18:01
Vince-0Maaz, I am Vincent18:01
MaazVince-0: Huh?18:01
kbmonkeyhi hexdream !18:01
Kilosyou too early to login18:01
hexdreamActually it was a mail from @Vince-0 that reminded me to come :-p18:02
kbmonkeydoing the good work18:02
hexdreamI'm sure I kow kbmonkey from somewhere18:02
Kilosya he mixes with you guys18:03
Kilosand nuvolari sometimes18:03
hexdreamcool. cool. I'm kind of multitasking at the moment (yeah I know I cant actually multitask but still). Forgive me if I dont respond immedietly18:04
Vince-0kbmonkey sometimes chairs this meeting18:04
Vince-0he is a programmer from Durban18:04
kbmonkeyalso multi tasking. trying to use wget to persist cookies via wordpress login. wa18:05
hexdreamAnd I'm trying to save the world... but got to save me first :-p18:05
Kiloslol18:05
kbmonkeynah who needs sanity, the best code comes from the manic side :}18:06
hexdreamSanity is overrated... but it does keep you from believing the politicians... when politicians make sense, get your self checked out.18:07
kbmonkeyor checked IN18:08
hexdreamalmost the same thing :-p18:10
hexdreamthough malema did make a good point in parliament the other day...!?!?! I must be going mad18:11
Kiloslol18:11
kbmonkeyOh really? he must have seen flappy zuma and got afraid his app is next if he doesn't step up his game. pun intended :)18:11
Kiloshi psychicist 18:12
KilosVince-0, thats one18:12
Kiloswhere are the rest18:12
Kilostoo late for the beach18:13
kbmonkeyKilos, usually -2 minutes away :)18:13
Vince-0oh hai kbmonkey18:13
kbmonkeyHi Vince-0 !18:13
kbmonkeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/2014062418:14
bduk1Hi everyone18:16
Kiloskbmonkey, the pro will be late if he can make it18:16
Kiloshi bduk1 18:16
kbmonkeysure thing Kilos 18:20
kbmonkeyMaaz, coffee please18:22
Maazkbmonkey: There isn't a pot on18:22
kbmonkeyyey18:22
kbmonkeyMaaz, coffee on18:23
* Maaz starts grinding coffee18:23
KilosMaaz, coffee please18:23
MaazKilos: Yessir18:23
kbmonkeyExcellent18:24
kbmonkeyour previous minutes was maar min18:24
superflyooo18:24
kbmonkeyooo?18:24
* superfly rushes to get coffee before the meeting18:24
kbmonkeyooo!18:24
Kilosya short meet. this is gonna be another one18:24
MaazCoffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!18:27
kbmonkeyMaaz, like a boss18:27
Maazkbmonkey: Sorry...18:27
Kilosi wonder what happened to all the stuff that used to make meets overrun18:27
kbmonkeyKilos, I get my phone tomorrow!18:27
KilosMaaz, gracias amigo18:27
Maaz¡de nada compadre18:27
Kiloswhat fone kbmonkey refresh18:28
kbmonkeyja Kilos we need a minetest review ;)18:28
kbmonkeythe afrihost deal phone + data18:28
Kilosaha18:28
kbmonkeyalmost time :)18:29
Kilosmtn talking about ftth and lte18:29
kbmonkeyand now I get hungry :P18:29
kbmonkeywhat you say shall we warm up the memo pad so long?18:33
Kilosyip18:33
Kilosand they tested telkom lte18:33
Kilosnow i gotta convince them to get it to this tower18:33
kbmonkeyMaaz, start meeting about Monthly Ubuntu-ZA IRC meeting18:33
* Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles18:33
Kilos100kb/s18:33
kbmonkeyMaaz, topic Welcome18:33
MaazCurrent Topic: Welcome18:33
kbmonkeyMaaz, say hello18:33
Maazhello18:33
KilosMaaz, I am Miles Sharp18:33
MaazKilos: Alrighty18:33
kbmonkeyMaaz, I am Wesley Werner18:33
Maazkbmonkey: Alrighty18:33
charl_Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk18:33
Maazcharl_: Sure18:33
KilosMaaz, welcome18:33
MaazWelcome to tonights meeting everyone18:33
kbmonkeywelcome charl_ 18:33
kbmonkeyHello everybody and welcome to our monthly meeting!18:33
superflyMaaz: I am Raoul Snyman18:33
Maazsuperfly: Done18:33
kbmonkeyYou can log your name with Maaz our memo robot by following our lead18:33
kbmonkeyor you can lurk and watch...18:33
* superfly will lurk and write code18:34
Kilosbduk1, now you can login 18:35
Kilosthis is your first meet hey18:35
KilosVince-0, login time18:35
bduk1Yip not sure whats going on18:35
kbmonkeyis nuvolari around?18:35
Kiloshe said he would try18:36
kbmonkeybduk1, our robot Maaz takes a record of our meeting18:36
superflybduk1: you say, Maaz, I am <full name>18:36
Vince-0Maaz, I'm Vincent Swart18:36
MaazVince-0: Excuse me?18:36
Kilosbduk1, you type in Maaz I am and give your name and id number18:36
Kiloshaha18:36
kbmonkeyso if you would like to give Maaz your name, or you don't have to, address her as "Maaz, my name is $USER"18:36
bduk1Maaz, im Barry du Koker18:36
Maazbduk1: Huh?18:36
Kilosi am18:37
Kilosno shortcuts with bots18:37
kbmonkeythe bot needs to go to grade school18:37
bduk1Ish18:37
bduk1Maaz, i am Barry du Koker18:37
Maazbduk1: Done18:37
Vince-0Maaz, I am Vincent18:37
MaazVince-0: Yessir18:37
Kilosnuvolari, ping18:38
kbmonkeyWe can casually stroll through, people can join in any time 18:38
Kiloslol Vince-0 how many beers you had?18:38
kbmonkeyhmmm beer. I had chai rooibos tea18:38
Vince-0*inbetween dota18:38
Kilosyou  logged in twice18:39
Kiloshaha18:39
* Kilos wonders if ThatGraemeGuy gonna join us18:40
superflyeven if ThatGraemeGuy just tells Maaz about himself ;-)18:41
Kiloscooweee ThatGraemeGuy 18:41
hexdreamMaaz, I am Duncan18:41
Maazhexdream: Done18:41
kbmonkeyRight18:41
ThatGraemeGuyeh18:41
Kilospsychicist, you gonna login?18:42
ThatGraemeGuyMaaz, I am Graeme Donaldson18:42
MaazThatGraemeGuy: Done18:42
superflyThatGraemeGuy: now you can go again ;-)18:42
kbmonkeyI think the cold is slowing everyone down Kilos 18:42
KilosThatGraemeGuy, welcome to our monthly mee18:42
Kilosmeet too18:42
kbmonkeyMaaz, topic Review previous minutes18:42
MaazCurrent Topic: Review previous minutes18:42
Kiloshaha @ superfly 18:42
kbmonkeyThe past two meets we mentioned the release of the RMS video recorded at UKZN18:43
ThatGraemeGuylol18:43
kbmonkeySomeone mentioned seeding the video as a torrent. Anybody remember who?18:44
kbmonkeyJust like to get an update of that...18:44
KilosVince-0, is the man with that info18:44
kbmonkeythe post to the video as direct download is http://durbanlinux.org.za/?p=29218:45
kbmonkeyjust wondering about that seed for those interested18:45
Vince-0http://durbanlinux.org.za/?p=29218:45
Vince-0it isn't available now, I18:45
Vince-0I18:45
Vince-0I'm uploading it18:46
kbmonkeythanks Vince-0 18:46
kbmonkeyMaaz, topic Releases18:47
MaazCurrent Topic: Releases18:47
kbmonkeywho is on the Ubuntu 14.04 release, how is it treating you?18:48
superflyjust upgraded the wife's Kubuntu18:48
kbmonkeyI find moving windows is slow18:48
superflykinda died halfway through... you'd think they'd know how to fix that by now18:48
kbmonkeyThe upgrade failed? ouch.18:49
kbmonkeyI have spare data to update my 14.04 dual boot yipee18:49
Kilosim running unity and kde in 14.04. both work but unity isnt as good imo18:49
kbmonkeyja teething problems happen18:50
Kilosno man they are disabling stuff that worked before18:50
Kiloslike the compose key option18:50
kbmonkeyAlso Mint 17, based on ubuntu, was released 18:50
Kiloslittle things only otherwise very stable18:51
superflykbmonkey: nothing hectic this time, it booted up again, but I had to run a few -f install, upgrade and dist-upgrades to complete the upgrade18:51
Kiloseish superfly 18:51
kbmonkeyI must say Mate is nice and it is a shame that Ubuntu does not have a Mate edition18:52
Kilosyou like mate?18:53
Kilosgnome218:53
Kilosthats a change i like to hear18:53
kbmonkeyIndeed18:53
Kilosfrom crashbang18:53
Kilosgnome2 was very lekker18:54
Kilossuperfly, 18:55
kbmonkeylooking at the releases page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases18:55
kbmonkeyI remember Intrepid Ibex, hehe :)18:56
superflyKilos: ya?18:56
Kilosremember your check on the internet connections18:56
superflyhaven't had time I'm afraid...18:56
Kilosis there maybe some way we can rev someone in za18:56
superflyI can barely get 3 seconds to myself18:56
Kilosai!18:57
kbmonkeyMaaz, topic Events18:57
MaazCurrent Topic: Events18:57
Kilosmaybe emailing the minister of communication stuff can rev someone18:58
kbmonkeydo meetings in minetest count as events?18:58
KilosYA18:58
kbmonkey20th September is software freedom day, this one is on a Saturday!18:58
kbmonkeywe should network all the regions with webcams 18:59
kbmonkeyor irc at least18:59
Kilosirc yeah18:59
hexdreamIRC is good but probably too "geeky" for joe public to appreciate.19:00
Kiloslike maia used to do with ubuntu hours and release parties19:00
Kilosthose with uncapped can do webcams19:00
hexdreamRunning familiarish stuff is more likely to get joe public to consider alternatives19:00
charl_won't the existing lugs organise something ?19:00
charl_i see this as an extension of what the lugs are doing19:01
kbmonkeyyes charl_ 19:01
charl_regional events, irc is global19:01
charl_i mean i don't even live in za :)19:01
Kiloshi AndChat|99281 19:02
charl_my idea is that when regional things need to be organised like physical get-togethers the lugs should be involved19:02
charl_because they already have presence in a particular region19:02
kbmonkeyan they will be but SFD is as much about celebrating together 19:03
kbmonkeyAnyway it was just a thought.19:04
kbmonkeyanyone in Durban keen for an Ubuntu hour on Sunday?19:06
KilosPrivate_User, how come you dont login??19:06
hexdream@kbmonkey what did you have in mind for Sunday?19:10
Kiloshexdream, we dont use @ on irc19:11
kbmonkey@kilos why not?19:11
hexdreamMy bad. I suppose I better not # things up.19:11
Kiloswith @ there he dosnt get an alert19:11
Kilosno man just different ways of doing things19:12
kbmonkeyI got a highlight :)19:12
Trixar_zaSo I figured out my problem19:12
Kiloswith the @ kbmonkey ?19:12
superflyTrixar_za: which one? :-P19:12
Trixar_zaAll I needed to do was pass self to the external parser.19:12
kbmonkeyhexdream, not sure, the gloria jeans in gateway is pretty nice. they have couches!19:13
Trixar_zaMy little bug in how I was using my custom library19:13
kbmonkeyKilos, yes with the @.19:13
Trixar_zaStill throws an error when I try closing the socket though - lol :P19:13
Kiloswow19:13
Trixar_zaBut... it exits cleanly, so no worries19:13
Kilosi didnt get a bloep19:13
hexdreamSo Kilos, what is the right way? @kbmonkey  I'm in, barring the unforseen.19:14
kbmonkeyanyways we can work out details later19:14
Kilosjust the nick hexdream 19:14
kbmonkeyokay hexdream are you on the mailing list?19:14
hexdreamah. Thanks. Been a looong time since I spent time on irc. 19:14
kbmonkey@_@19:15
hexdreamWhich mailing list kbmonkey? the leadlug one?19:15
kbmonkeythe ubuntu-za list19:15
Trixar_zasuperfly: This is what I'm working on - http://trixarian.net/downloads/lulz.zip19:15
Trixar_zaI need a better name for it19:15
kbmonkeyno worries I can always send to the dbn-lug list too and maybe get some crossover interest19:15
hexdreamI must verify that I'm on the list. Whats the link again kbmonkey19:16
Kiloshexdream, http://bit.ly/MCOujZ19:16
hexdreamta19:16
kbmonkeyhttp://ubuntu-za.org/get-involved19:17
kbmonkeywow Kilos on the ball19:17
hexdream:-)19:17
Kilosi see it in the topic bar19:17
kbmonkeyah19:17
Kilosthanks to the pro19:17
kbmonkeyexcellent!19:18
Kilosinetpro, ping19:18
kbmonkeyRight one more item I want to mention...19:18
kbmonkeyMaaz, topic GnuPG19:19
MaazCurrent Topic: GnuPG19:19
inetpro. 19:19
kbmonkeyThe FSF created this nice guide how to set up GnuPG for your emails, there is a neat info-graphic for sharing too! 19:19
Trixar_zaOh, is it a meeting? Oo19:19
kbmonkeyhttps://u.fsf.org/yu19:19
Kiloswb inetpro login time19:19
kbmonkeyyes, hi Trixar_za :)19:19
kbmonkeythe FSF article walks you through email self-defense by setting up GPG for your email19:20
kbmonkeyhttps://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/infographic.html19:20
Kiloskbmonkey, whats that for19:20
kbmonkeyjust fsf promotion Kilos 19:21
kbmonkeyFree Software Foundation19:21
Kilosno man the email thing19:21
kbmonkeyKilos, exactly that.19:24
kbmonkeyMaaz, topic Closing & elect next chair19:24
MaazCurrent Topic: Closing & elect next chair19:24
kbmonkeyAnything extra to add?19:25
* Kilos says kbmonkey for next chair19:25
kbmonkeyawe thanks Kilos 19:25
Kilosits your job my man19:25
kbmonkeyI vote myself seeing as the rest of the room has frozen below 0 :)19:26
Kiloslol19:26
Trixar_zaYeah, me too - mostly because the rest of us is too lazy to do it19:26
kbmonkeyMaaz, agreed Wesley to chair next meeting.19:26
MaazAgreed: Wesley to chair next meeting19:26
kbmonkeythat will be 22nd Julyl?19:26
kbmonkeyJuly?19:26
inetprokbmonkey: correct 19:27
Kilosty for chairing kbmonkey 19:27
kbmonkeyGreat thank you everyone. The meeting minutes link coming up next...19:28
kbmonkeyMaaz, end meeting19:28
MaazMeeting Ended19:28
MaazMinutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-06-24-18-31-28.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-06-24-18-31-28.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-06-24-18-31-28.html19:28
kbmonkeyupdating wiki and making next page19:30
kbmonkeybtw Kilos that new server works fast!19:30
Kiloscool19:31
kbmonkeynext: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/2014072219:33
kbmonkeythe email thing Kilos ? the fsf thing?19:33
Kilosemail19:34
kbmonkeyemail?19:34
Kilosya what self defence is needed19:35
kbmonkeyThis guide will teach you a basic surveillance self-defense skill: email encryption. Once you've finished, you'll be able to send and receive emails that are coded to make sure that a surveillance agent or thief that intercepts your email can't read it.19:36
Kilosah19:37
kbmonkeybecause emails are like postcards: not sealed.19:37
Kilosok ill look at that then19:38
Kilosty19:38
kbmonkeyalso you can SIGN an email to prove you sent it. So you won't fall victim to a scam if somebody impersonates you.19:38
kbmonkeyI am so tired phew19:38
kbmonkeyworked late and missed supper. whoops!19:39
Kilosyip lets go sleep19:40
Kiloswarmer in bed19:40
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:40
Kilosty kbmonkey 19:40
kbmonkeything is the brain is all hotwired from work19:40
kbmonkeyit is like I  live in the matrix19:41
Kilosthink of waves crashing on the beach19:41
Kilosforget other stuff when its bedtime19:41
kbmonkeytrue that!19:41
Kiloscounting sheep dont help19:42
Kilosyou just learn to count better19:42
kbmonkeyhehe19:42
Kilosgood sheep farmers can count mixed by 4's and 5's19:42
Kilosas sheep run past them. thats amazing19:43
Kiloshexdream, make this a regular channel for you19:43
kbmonkeythat is skill19:43
Kilosty for joining us19:44
Kilosits unbeleivable to watch them kbmonkey 19:44
kbmonkeygoing to calm down and hit the hay soon19:44
Kilossleep tight guys19:44
Kiloswe missed maia tonight19:44
kbmonkeyja19:44
kbmonkeyand nuvo19:44
Kilosya19:45
hexdreamkilos: Will do. Wil see what clients I can load on my ubuntu and android19:45
hexdreamkilos: suggestions?19:45
Kilosclients for?19:45
Kilosirc?19:45
hexdreamirc. Can't do the web thing all the time19:45
hexdreamI know there are plenty out there.19:46
Kiloson unity hexchat19:46
Kilosand on kde konversation19:46
Kilosothers use quassel19:46
Trixar_zaI would probably also recommend KvIRC on Qt systems19:46
kbmonkeyon android there is Andchat19:46
hexdreamhaha. hexchat is well named for me :-p19:46
kbmonkey:D19:46
Kilosits in ubuntu repos19:46
Kilosso aptitude install hexchat19:47
kbmonkeyhexchat is in the Debian repos too19:47
hexdreamThanks for all the suggestions. Will poke them with a sharp stick19:48
kbmonkeyI use irssi 19:48
kbmonkeythat is why I get @highlights Kilos ;)19:48
Trixar_zanuvolari would probably recommend weechat19:48
Trixar_za:P19:48
kbmonkeyKilos, you even used pidgin for irc didn't you?19:48
Kilosyes in the beginning but then dcc dont work19:49
kbmonkeybut you'd want a real irc chat client 19:49
Trixar_zaWe have way too many choices for an IRC client :P19:49
Kiloshexchat19:49
Kilossame as xchat was19:49
* Trixar_za is listening to: Hot Air Balloon by Owl City19:49
kbmonkeysockets ;)19:50
Trixar_zahehehe19:50
Trixar_zaI originally wrote the script that this script was forked off of19:50
Kilosi go see minetest quick then bed19:50
Trixar_zaAnd I rewrote part of the current codebase to suit my needs19:50
Kilosnight19:50
kbmonkeyha ha he's addicted19:50
kbmonkeyhaving such a hard time with css positioning :/19:50
kbmonkeywhy would a div reposition itself just from the amount of text inside of it. gaarg.19:51
hexdreamOK, hexchat up and running. Will try the rest another time.19:57
kbmonkeythat is a good start hexdream.19:57
kbmonkeydon't know hexchat but it is based on xchat which I know well, so thumbs up19:58
hexdreamThank  kbmonkey Hmm. OK, waay too late for me. Going to head for bed soon. Give me a shout on email/ g+ about sunday.19:58
kbmonkeysure hexdream thanks for stopping by!19:59
kbmonkeyalso need to go to bed19:59
kbmonkeygnite all19:59
kbmonkeyMaaz, good night19:59
Maazkbmonkey: Bye19:59
hexdreamThanks, and goodnight all.19:59
* kbmonkey detaches for some Zzzs20:01
kbmonkeynite!20:02
Vince-0nite!20:02

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