[05:03] <Kilos> bbrrrrrr
[05:03] <Kilos> mmm mmm  mma  morning all
[05:21] <bduk> Morning everyone
[05:22] <Kilos> hi bduk 
[05:22] <Kilos> sjoe ek kry koud man
[05:22] <bduk> Hoe gaan dit jou kant Kilos ? Neeman lekker vanmore
[05:23] <Kilos> man al die water buite is geys
[05:23] <Kilos> ge ys
[05:23] <Kilos> ek nie n pikkewyn nie
[05:24] <bduk> So?? 
[06:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:08] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> how's the cotton production going Kilos?
[06:11] <Kilos> havent looked yet ThatGraemeGuy just updating/upgrading
[06:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[06:12] <Kilos> mirror very slow today 655 B/s at times
[06:13] <Kilos> medthinks it must be a bit broken
[06:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> try another one
[06:14] <nuvolari> o/ mornings everyone
[06:14] <Kilos> ya i will but i looked at what was in partial in archives and using synaptic to reinstall them all and too much work to set that up again
[06:14] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[06:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos:  http://askubuntu.com/a/9035
[06:15] <Kilos> cool ty will save that info, will need it when i install server
[06:16] <Kilos> one cant change it midstream of getting stuff methinks
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can change mirrors whenever you want
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> well not if you mean you are actively downloading, no
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> you need to change mirrors and then apt-get update
[06:17] <Kilos> ya but then you gotta apt-get update and what synaptic is busy with will surely be interfered with?
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> you won't be able to update if you're busy
[06:18] <Kilos> ah
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> synaptic is just a pretty front-end for apt anyway
[06:18] <Kilos> yes but nice to use to reinstall different things at once
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> and if any apt tool is busy it creates a lock so that no other apt tools can do anything until its done
[06:20] <Kilos> but our mirror very sick 226B/s now
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> then stop what you're doing and change to use the way they do it in that link i posted
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> its supposed to select the fastest mirror
[06:22] <Kilos> ya but synaptic is busy and the partials are different files some gvfs some gnome som gir etc
[06:23] <Kilos> so ill let it finish then do the fastest mirror bit
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok then sit and wait all day for it to finish at speeds dial-up users would be frustrated with :)
[06:23] <Kilos> lol man i can talk to you fine still
[06:23] <Kilos> rest of pc is still going
[06:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> talking to me doesn't help your updates complete any faster ;-p
[06:24] <Kilos> ya but takes my mind off the frustration
[06:24] <Kilos> hehe
[06:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> so does cotton farming :)
[06:24] <Kilos> oh ya i can go see cotton so long
[06:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> i decided i'm going to develop my house a bit more and use my basement as central station for a network of underground tunnels
[06:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> first one will link up underneath the pyramid
[06:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> will get started sometime
[06:26] <Kilos> cool but mark them
[06:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i'll have signs
[06:26] <Kilos> i was thinking of doing similar with the roads that are up in the sky at places
[06:26] <Kilos> tunnel them through mountains
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> i've fallen off sky roads more than once
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> i tend to run along the ground and just use the road for guidance
[06:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> also the web map has helped a lot, i don't get lost that easily anymore
[06:28] <Kilos> something funny here. the is a mine near my cotton and i built it closed last night ,and its open again
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe someone is still using it and re-opened it
[06:29] <Kilos> read the source, are they fixtures you cant change
[06:29] <Kilos> haha
[06:29] <Kilos> ya but who
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> fixtures you cant change? what do you mean?
[06:30] <Kilos> i mean is it something written in that that hole must be there
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[06:31] <Kilos> oh and when you look at source again please look at sheep in relation to lifespan
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> i had that happen a while ago, i had mined out a nice stairway and when i came back the next day it was gone, and mese i had already mined re-appeared
[06:31] <Kilos> eish
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> how do you mean lifespan? they don't die as far as i know
[06:31] <Kilos> ya they just disappear
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> or maybe they do i haven't noticed
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't really pay attention to them, they're worthless to me
[06:32] <Kilos> we been catching them inna pen and they dont stay there
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't have that mod anyway, can't look at the code
[06:32] <Kilos> with cotton they less use to me too
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a different one with cows and chickens and other animals
[06:33] <Kilos> wow
[06:33] <Kilos> so what is important now
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> how do you mean?
[06:38] <Kilos> sorry was afk
[06:38] <Kilos> i mean getting a fast local host going hehe
[06:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh
[06:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe sometime
[06:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> the world we have now is nicely developed already though
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> thought of getting a server but its R900/month, too rich for my budget
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> we don't get any perks on that stuff, only on shared hosting
[06:41] <Kilos> im thinking about what we spoke about other day
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> remind me?
[06:41] <Kilos> lets say i have a dual core 3g pc with 2g ram and install server and minetest
[06:42] <Kilos> and connect it to an adsl line
[06:42] <Kilos> and just give ip addy to certain peeps
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> you mean the adsl line you can't get where you live? :P
[06:42] <Kilos> that should be very fast shouldnt it
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> no idea
[06:43] <Kilos> man lets say i send you the pc to put on your adsl line
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> i can try and run it on my pc at home, but that's got an atom CPU, not sure how well it would work
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm not running some dual core monstrosity permanently, electricity is expensive
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> that'
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's why i have an atom-based pc :)
[06:43] <Kilos> im trying to figure a way to eliminate all the mess that comes with online hosts
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> there is no mess
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> it just costs money
[06:44] <Kilos> lets say at work in a corner man
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> hosting it at home also costs money in the form of more expensive adsl and more electricity usage
[06:44] <Kilos> forget the where and see if its practical
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> you cannot forget the where
[06:45] <Kilos> we can ask zuma to plug it in at nkanla i think its called
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> who's paying for the electricity and bandwidth?
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah do that
[06:46] <Kilos> cotton looking good
[06:46] <Kilos> but lots didnt grow
[06:46] <Kilos> will replant
[06:47] <Kilos> what is an attom based pc
[06:47] <Kilos> atom
[06:48] <Kilos> i read somewhere someone set up some pc. maybe it was atom and used R7 electricity in over a month
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz: google intel atom
[06:48] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: "Intel® Atom™ Processor" http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/atom/atom-processor.html :: "Intel® Atom™ Processor - ARK" http://ark.intel.com/products/family/29035/Intel-Atom-Processor :: "Intel Atom (CPU) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom_(CPU) :: "List of Intel Atom microprocessors -
[06:48] <Maaz> Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microproces…
[06:49] <Squirm> morning
[06:49] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> i see web africa has virtual servers starting at R99/month
[06:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll try that, it's not terribly expensive
[06:49] <Kilos> ok
[06:50] <Kilos> im sure a pc dont use R99 electricity a month
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> only 1gb of ram but might be enough even
[06:51] <Kilos> the fly ram a p2 as a server with 256 ram and he said it worked fine
[06:51] <Kilos> but i spose no game on it
[06:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure how memory hungry minetest is though
[06:52] <Kilos> n ow i go let real sheep out
[06:52] <Kilos> wbb
[07:23] <Kilos> oh when them cotton balls get rotten, you can pick very much cotton
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[07:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> i've been meaning to signpost my field "Them old cotton fields back home"
[07:25] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> i ordered a virtual server from web africa
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> R1/month for the first 2 months
[07:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's a 2GB ram allocation, i'll see about limiting minetest server to get an idea if it can run with just 1GB, then i'll downgrade to a 1GB VM after the 2 month promotion is over
[07:29] <Kilos> ok
[07:29] <Kilos> R1 a month for 2 months then Rpp?
[07:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> 299
[07:29] <Kilos> R99
[07:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> but the 1GB one is R99
[07:29] <Kilos> R299
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think 1GB is ok, but the promotion is only for the 2GB so might as well get it so long
[07:30] <Kilos> ok
[07:34] <Kilos> afrihost the mtn buddies?
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes mtn bought a controlling share of them
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> and their adsl network is built on mtn for the last couple of years
[07:35] <psyatw> hi Kilos 
[07:35] <psyatw> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:35] <psyatw> Kilos, happy belated birthday
[07:35] <psyatw> hi drussell 
[07:35] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[07:36] <Kilos> ty lad
[07:36] <psyatw> I haven't been here much lately, life catching up with me, I guess
[07:36] <Kilos> bad boy
[07:36] <Kilos> meeting tonight
[07:36] <psyatw> hehe
[07:36] <psyatw> I may actually be able to attend then
[07:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo psyatw
[07:44] <Kilos> so ThatGraemeGuy you got wool in the give away bin?
[07:44] <Kilos> bin/bucket/basket/chest
[07:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> my wool is locked away :P
[07:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> i haven't decided yet what i'm using it for
[08:02] <Kilos> oi
[08:02] <Kilos> sell to me man
[08:02] <Kilos> ill give gold
[08:02] <Kilos> havent found a use for gold
[08:03] <Kilos> no matter what host or server we use we gotta try keep this game going. dunno if you can copy the database or what
[08:04] <Kilos> too much work and data to start from scratch
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> you'll have to ping superfly about that
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> its his database
[08:08] <Kilos> he will im sure
[08:14] <Kilos> hmm... ThatGraemeGuy can one drive do 2 jobs? as in run server alongside a working os
[08:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> there is so much wrong with that question :)
[08:15] <Kilos> oh
[08:15] <Kilos> can you fix it?
[08:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> i assume you mean minetest server when you say "server"?
[08:16] <Kilos> not in virtual mode i mean but on its own partition
[08:16] <Kilos> no server server
[08:16] <Kilos> ubuntu srver
[08:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> a server is nothing special, just a machine that's job happens to be running certain things that people can connect to
[08:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> do you mean running a "server" on your existing disk alongside your normal tasks? that's virtualisation
[08:18] <Kilos> whew
[08:19] <Kilos> oh so if i install alongside will it still work as a server even though im in the gui system
[08:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think you are confusing yourself with terminology
[08:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> say you have 1 hard disk
[08:20] <Kilos> or will it wanna choose at boot which one to use
[08:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> you create just 1 partition and install ubuntu. doesn't matter if it's "server" or "desktop" that's not really relevant to anything except your intended use
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> so are you asking if you can have multiple partitions on the disk, each with its own self-contained O/S?
[08:21] <Kilos> yes
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, you can, and when you boot, grub will ask you which one you want to boot
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> and until you reboot, you are only using whichever one you selected
[08:22] <Kilos> if you are in the gui system will the server still be usable as a separate server 
[08:22] <Kilos> oh
[08:22] <Kilos> so useless with server on same drive
[08:23] <Kilos> on same machine even no good
[08:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> no, if you boot the O/S on /dev/sda1 (example), then only that 1 operating system is active
[08:23] <Kilos> sigh
[08:23] <Kilos> ok ty
[08:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you want to run another O/S at the same time then that's what virtualisation is for
[08:23] <Kilos> ya but thats slow
[08:23] <Kilos> so not an option
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> then the "hard disk" for the virtual machine is just a normal file as far as your "main" o/s is concerned
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> whoever told you that doesn't know what they are talking about
[08:24] <Kilos> what?
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> that its slow
[08:24] <Kilos> i tried virtual box before and it was slow running other systems
[08:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you have a good amount of RAM and don't allocate too much to your VMs it is fine
[08:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> then you did something weird, virtualisation is not slow in and of itself
[08:25] <Kilos> this too much brain work ill install server on old pc
[08:26] <Kilos> just gotta fight router
[08:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> k
[11:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: my vm is ready just upgrading it to 14.04 before i do anything else
[11:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> i got my minetest config prepped with some other mods as well, we can see how it goes
[11:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> should have it ready by tonight if you want to try and test speed
[11:43] <Kilos> wow that was quick ThatGraemeGuy 
[11:43] <Kilos> let me know ill try it
[11:44] <Kilos> i been cooking and catching some uv's
[11:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> careful, not too many UVs :)
[11:45] <Kilos> tvl uvs are weak this time of the year
[11:46] <Kilos> aw mouse jammed at bottom of screen again forgot to stay by minetest till open
[11:47] <Kilos> esc dont release it so will reboot with cli
[11:53] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[11:53] <superfly> hi Kilos
[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: what happens if you press ESC in the game?
[11:54] <Kilos> it opens the thing to logout and other stuff
[11:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> weird
[11:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> sounds like some other key is stuck, alt/ctrl maybe
[11:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> or windows key
[11:55] <Kilos> but if the game is busy opening and i come to irc then mouse disappears
[11:55] <Kilos> i will try that next time i forget
[11:56] <Kilos> minetest steals the mouse
[11:56] <Kilos> grrr
[11:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> it does for me too, but if i press ESC it pauses, goes to a menu-like screen and releases the mouse
[11:58] <Kilos> wow even if you in another app?
[11:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm not sure i follow
[11:58] <Kilos> like hexchat or pidgin
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> if i start minetest it captures the mouse, but if i press ESC i get it back
[11:59] <Kilos> i have to wait till minetest is open then esc then go to pidgin or hexchat
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm
[11:59] <Kilos> ya but open minetest and before its logged in then come here
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> sounds right i guess i don't understand the problem then
[12:00] <Kilos> its only if i come here before minetest is actually logged in
[12:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> still don't understand what you are on about
[12:01] <Kilos> then im chatting here and cant use the mouse because its locked to minetest
[12:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, weird
[12:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> try alt+tab until minetest is active, then ESX
[12:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> ESC even
[12:02] <Kilos> and minetest is on workspace 2 and hexchat is on workspace 8
[12:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, you've lost me
[12:02] <Kilos> then i cant use the mouse to switch workspaces
[12:03] <Kilos> do you use only one workspace/desktop
[12:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> typically, yes
[12:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> never seen the value in using workspaces
[12:05] <Kilos> i have 10. one for evolution , one for pidgin, one for hexchat 1 for terminal running iftop and another terminal and browser on one and minetest on one
[12:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a taskbar and alt+tab keys :)
[12:06] <Kilos> alt +tab gives me the choice of only 3 of them it doesnt switch from one to the other
[12:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok, good luck then
[12:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have no idea what's going on there
[12:07] <Kilos> it pops up a little window with choices and its never the minetest one so i can go there and hiy escape to release the mouse
[12:08] <Kilos> its unity, gnome2 spoiled me with the workspace switcher
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't know unity but if you keep pressing tab you probably eventually get to what you need
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> unless the alt+tab under unity doesn't include all your workspaces
[12:09] <Kilos> oh alt+tab then tab tab tab?
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> unity is a joke imho
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> keep holding alt, and tab tab tab
[12:09] <Kilos> cool will try that next time
[12:09] <Kilos> ty
[12:10] <Kilos> the prob with unity is that noobs all get there first and if i cant see it in front of me i cant help them
[12:10] <Kilos> otherwise id stay with kde only
[12:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh
[12:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> we can't all help with everything, you should use what makes sense for you
[12:11] <Kilos> my imagination image maker thing dont work
[12:11] <Kilos> i cant picture things
[12:14] <Kilos> see them in my imagination that is
[12:14] <Kilos> hehe
[12:14] <Kilos> got a broken pipe
[12:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> man release upgrades take forever
[12:22] <Kilos> yay first cotton harvest done
[12:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool
[12:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> how big did you make your field? i usually get enough strings from a harvest to make 60-70 wool
[12:25] <Kilos> 2 fields quite big i think
[12:26] <Kilos> will see when finished harvest second one
[12:27] <Kilos> 4x99 and 1x19 string
[12:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> nice
[12:33] <Kilos> 99 wool
[12:33] <Kilos> fly will be happy
[12:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think he's done with the sails
[12:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe he can start a new ship
[12:40] <Kilos> lol
[12:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> build a huge ocean for it :-D
[12:40] <Kilos> lag min today. it opens as fast as i walk to the deep
[12:48] <Kilos> there now i got cotton growing at the deep as well
[12:48] <Kilos> w00t
[12:50] <Kilos> cotton be lekker , easier than chasing after sheep
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: one of the modules i've messed with adds trasure chests
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> treasure too
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> they generate randomly and contain some random stuff
[12:52] <Kilos> lekker thats for gold that has no use
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> the deeper you find them the more valuable the stuff in it becomes
[12:53] <Kilos> ah thats cool
[12:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> so at the surface it might have some wood, and basic tools, but at -300 you might find one with some diamonds or mese
[12:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretty cool
[12:54] <Kilos> ya
[12:57] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, log off minetest
[12:57] <Kilos> database coming
[12:58] <Kilos> the flys one that is
[12:58] <superfly> Kilos: he's not logged on, but you are :-P
[12:58] <Kilos> im off
[12:58] <Kilos> sorry i forgot he was on his new one
[12:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> not now, i have this work thing to attend to
[12:58] <superfly> ah, there we go
[12:59] <superfly> or we can do it later this evening, when ThatGraemeGuy is home
[12:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, better
[12:59] <Kilos> ya that will be cool , gives me time to get more wool
[12:59] <Kilos> hehe
[12:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> or we can wait until we see if a local server even helps the issue
[12:59] <Kilos> ok
[13:00] <Kilos> i actually got to do some farm stuff too
[13:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly: do you know how much memory your server uses?
[13:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> minetest process i mean
[13:00] <superfly> I'll check quickly for you
[13:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> i got a WA vm that's 2GB, they have a deal where its R1/month for first 2 months
[13:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> after that R299
[13:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> but a 1GB vm is only R99
[13:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> so if 1GB would be enough i'm happy to keep paying that
[13:02] <superfly> yes, 1 GB should be enough
[13:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool
[13:02] <superfly> I think minetest usually sits at about 400-500 megs when everyone is on
[13:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think we can let kilos test it out a bit before we move it over, yes?
[13:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then if it works ok we can sort out access with ssh keys etc
[13:06] <superfly> sure
[13:07] <superfly> I'm at home today, let me know when you want the world
[13:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> only get time for that sort of thing after 8 or so
[13:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> suppertimebathtimestorytimebedtimepleasejustonemorestorypleaseokyesnowreallybedtime
[13:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> etc
[13:16] <Kilos> lol
[13:17] <Kilos> the joys of parenthood
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> :)
[13:19] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: Wow, you too?! :-P
[13:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup, every night :)
[13:29] <superfly> for me it's 9pm. Eldest goes to bed at 8, youngest doesn't usually hit the hay before 9
[13:29] <Kilos> meeting tonight
[13:30] <Kilos> 20.30
[13:30] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[14:16] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[14:16] <Kilos> hi inetpro meeting tonight hey
[14:16] <Kilos> no excuses
[14:16] <inetpro> hmm... if I pop in it might be late
[14:17] <Kilos> oh my wassup
[14:17] <inetpro> other commitments 
[14:17] <inetpro> sorry
[14:17] <Kilos> oi
[14:17] <Kilos> its ok ill get you back
[14:17] <Kilos> hehe
[14:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly: still here?
[14:47] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: yep
[14:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> keep seeing stuff that say "player X moved too fast" seems related to some anti-cheating stuff, did you turn that off?
[14:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> every time it happens, i just transported back in time a few seconds
[14:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh s/just/get
[14:49] <superfly> nope
[14:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmmkay
[14:50] <superfly> let me see
[14:50] <AndChat|99281> Hi guys
[14:50] <superfly> hi AndChat|99281
[14:51] <AndChat|99281> How do i change my nick superfly
[14:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> /nick newnick
[14:53] <Kilos> hi AndChat|99281 who you?
[14:54] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za if you need linux help you in the right place
[14:54] <AndChat|99281> No  thatgraemguy doesnt work. Hi kilos its bduk  from my tab
[14:55] <superfly> it works for me, why not you?
[14:55] <Kilos> ah
[14:55] <bduk1> Ok doesnt want bduk must put 1 at r
[14:55] <bduk1> At the end
[14:56] <bduk1> Is the meeting tonight 
[14:56] <Kilos> yip
[14:56] <Kilos> 20.30
[14:56] <bduk1> Time
[14:56] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:56] <Kilos> 20.30
[14:56] <bduk1> Ill try to make it
[14:57] <Kilos> cool
[14:58] <Kilos> inetpro, G+ dint even say anything about the meeting
[14:58] <Kilos> grrr
[14:59] <Kilos> nor twitter
[15:12] <bduk1> Where,s the meeting tonight kilos
[15:28] <superfly> bduk1: here
[15:29] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:29] <Kilos> skop mazal and get him to attend as well
[15:35] <bduk1> I thought it was at soeones house now i cant join. I already told my wife ill be out tonight
[15:36] <bduk1> Kilos im not near mazal now
[15:38] <Kilos> lol
[15:38] <Kilos> yes you can go to superfly s house
[15:40] <bduk1> Only joking
[15:40] <Kilos> bduk1, dont use our meeting as an excuse to go jolling
[15:40] <Kilos> just tell her youll be outa comms with her for 1 hour but youll stay at home to keep her safe
[15:42] <bduk1> Dont like to go out at nights anymore. These days  you have to work during the day and play security at night
[15:43] <Kilos> yip
[15:44] <bduk1> You still playing mine game kilos
[15:44] <Kilos> ya
[15:52] <Kilos> bduk1, the server is offline for general repairs
[15:53] <Kilos> oiling the hinges and new seals on the flanges
[15:54] <bduk1> Mazal build us a server at work were playing. I wan to play on this one sometimes from home but the lag is killing me
[15:55] <Kilos> we hoping the repairs will sort the lag
[15:56] <Kilos> he built such a big castle on this one
[15:56] <Kilos> i looked there today
[15:57] <bduk1> Its nice at work but a bit boring with only  us playing, but if you click on something it happens imediately
[15:58] <bduk1> Its a lot of work playing 2 games
[15:58] <Kilos> ya starting from scratch is too much like hard work
[15:59] <Kilos> i cant start from scratch again
[16:00] <Kilos> hi bushtech meeting tonight hey
[16:00] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[16:00] <charl_> i'll be here for the meeting
[16:00] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[16:00] <charl_> just came back from amsterdam
[16:00] <Kilos> cool
[16:01] <charl_> had some wifi on the train but it was uber slow
[16:01] <charl_> couldn't do anything really
[16:01] <charl_> signal was terrible
[16:01] <Kilos> i just came back from the sheep kraal
[16:01] <charl_> lol
[16:01] <charl_> ok lemme make dinner
[16:01] <charl_> bbl
[16:02] <bduk1> Didnt know you can go to amsterdam by train
[16:02] <charl_> bduk1: eh... you can go anywhere by train :P
[16:02] <charl_> wherever the trains go, i mean
[16:02] <charl_> the rest you travel by the busa
[16:02] <bduk1> Ok
[16:02] <charl_> *bus
[16:03] <charl_> bbl
[17:00]  * Trixar_za mumbles
[17:04] <charl_> hi Trixar_za 
[17:05] <Trixar_za> Hi charl_
[17:06] <Kilos> what you mumbling about Trixar_za 
[17:07] <Trixar_za> Python
[17:07] <Trixar_za> More exactly, how wrongly I'm using my own library :P
[17:17] <Gremble> I once used a library, but then I took a hardcover to the face
[17:17] <Gremble> On second thought, it may be less than appropriate to use it as karaoki venue
[17:17] <Trixar_za> Arrow to the knee Gremble
[17:18] <Gremble> I don't actually think I know anyone that can put an arrow in  a knee except their own
[17:18] <Gremble> I once put in arrow in a robin-spot, but I suspect that may have been luck of the draw
[17:21] <Trixar_za> The joke is normally "I used to be X, but then I took an arrow to the knee" - it's a joke on Skyrim that has NPCs use that as a default excuse
[17:21] <Gremble> I am familiar with it. :P Hence the structure of my initial statement
[17:22] <Gremble> You just let me make an archery pun as well
[17:30] <Kilos> hi hexdream welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:30] <Kilos> do we know you?
[17:31] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey wb
[17:31] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:31]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:31] <Kilos> yay im still nline
[17:31] <Kilos> online too
[17:31] <bushtech> Lucky you
[17:32] <Kilos> i see you battling bushtech 
[17:32] <kbmonkey> hello hello
[17:32] <Kilos> rev vodacom man
[17:32] <bushtech> yeah sigh
[17:32] <bushtech> will do so again
[17:33] <Kilos> you cant take a days break till its fixed. you gotta nag daily
[17:33] <Kilos> other wise your complaint goes to file 13
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz, voda help
[17:34] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz, voda complaints
[17:34] <Maaz> ECLO.Tswai@vodacom.co.za
[17:35] <Kilos> mail them then its on record
[17:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:35] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[17:35] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:35] <Kilos> kbmonkey, is hexdream one of the durbs lug peeps
[17:39] <bushtech> Kilos,Maaz thanks
[17:39] <Kilos> Maaz, is our bot bushtech 
[17:39] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[17:40] <bushtech> Maniere is maniere
[17:41] <Kilos> hehe
[17:41] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[17:41] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[17:41] <Kilos> Maaz, botsnack
[17:41] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[17:45] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos, I am not sure who that is
[17:45] <Kilos> ok
[17:48] <kbmonkey> not so cold here tonight. how about there Kilos ?
[17:49] <Kilos> eish kbmonkey gonna freeze up again
[17:49] <kbmonkey> ow
[17:49] <Kilos> weather liars say 2 for pta but when they say 4 and 6 we get frost and water ices up anyway
[17:50] <Kilos> so we will most likely be -2
[17:52] <kbmonkey> that is pretty cold
[17:52] <kbmonkey> keep beers outside
[17:52] <Kilos> lol
[17:53] <bushtech> the 2 legged beer stealers operate at peak efficiency at -2
[17:54] <Kilos> ya and they take sheep for appetizers
[17:54] <bushtech> zigactly
[17:55] <hexdream> Hi All, Sorry, stepped out for a few minutes. I'm new here. I lurk occasionally.
[17:56] <hexdream> Yip, I'm a Durbs linux geek :-)
[17:59] <Kilos> cool hexdream you welcome, ive been nagging vince for about a year to get you guys here
[18:00] <Kilos> we sometimes have noobs to linux that need helpand other times not noobs that need advanced help
[18:01] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[18:01] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos
[18:01] <Vince-0> *dota
[18:01] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am Vincent
[18:01] <Maaz> Vince-0: Huh?
[18:01] <kbmonkey> hi hexdream !
[18:01] <Kilos> you too early to login
[18:02] <hexdream> Actually it was a mail from @Vince-0 that reminded me to come :-p
[18:02] <kbmonkey> doing the good work
[18:02] <hexdream> I'm sure I kow kbmonkey from somewhere
[18:03] <Kilos> ya he mixes with you guys
[18:03] <Kilos> and nuvolari sometimes
[18:04] <hexdream> cool. cool. I'm kind of multitasking at the moment (yeah I know I cant actually multitask but still). Forgive me if I dont respond immedietly
[18:04] <Vince-0> kbmonkey sometimes chairs this meeting
[18:04] <Vince-0> he is a programmer from Durban
[18:05] <kbmonkey> also multi tasking. trying to use wget to persist cookies via wordpress login. wa
[18:05] <hexdream> And I'm trying to save the world... but got to save me first :-p
[18:05] <Kilos> lol
[18:06] <kbmonkey> nah who needs sanity, the best code comes from the manic side :}
[18:07] <hexdream> Sanity is overrated... but it does keep you from believing the politicians... when politicians make sense, get your self checked out.
[18:08] <kbmonkey> or checked IN
[18:10] <hexdream> almost the same thing :-p
[18:11] <hexdream> though malema did make a good point in parliament the other day...!?!?! I must be going mad
[18:11] <Kilos> lol
[18:11] <kbmonkey> Oh really? he must have seen flappy zuma and got afraid his app is next if he doesn't step up his game. pun intended :)
[18:12] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[18:12] <Kilos> Vince-0, thats one
[18:12] <Kilos> where are the rest
[18:13] <Kilos> too late for the beach
[18:13] <kbmonkey> Kilos, usually -2 minutes away :)
[18:13] <Vince-0> oh hai kbmonkey
[18:13] <kbmonkey> Hi Vince-0 !
[18:14] <kbmonkey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140624
[18:16] <bduk1> Hi everyone
[18:16] <Kilos> kbmonkey, the pro will be late if he can make it
[18:16] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[18:20] <kbmonkey> sure thing Kilos 
[18:22] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please
[18:22] <Maaz> kbmonkey: There isn't a pot on
[18:22] <kbmonkey> yey
[18:23] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[18:23]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:23] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:23] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[18:24] <kbmonkey> Excellent
[18:24] <kbmonkey> our previous minutes was maar min
[18:24] <superfly> ooo
[18:24] <kbmonkey> ooo?
[18:24]  * superfly rushes to get coffee before the meeting
[18:24] <kbmonkey> ooo!
[18:24] <Kilos> ya short meet. this is gonna be another one
[18:27] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!
[18:27] <kbmonkey> Maaz, like a boss
[18:27] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sorry...
[18:27] <Kilos> i wonder what happened to all the stuff that used to make meets overrun
[18:27] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I get my phone tomorrow!
[18:27] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias amigo
[18:27] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[18:28] <Kilos> what fone kbmonkey refresh
[18:28] <kbmonkey> ja Kilos we need a minetest review ;)
[18:28] <kbmonkey> the afrihost deal phone + data
[18:28] <Kilos> aha
[18:29] <kbmonkey> almost time :)
[18:29] <Kilos> mtn talking about ftth and lte
[18:29] <kbmonkey> and now I get hungry :P
[18:33] <kbmonkey> what you say shall we warm up the memo pad so long?
[18:33] <Kilos> yip
[18:33] <Kilos> and they tested telkom lte
[18:33] <Kilos> now i gotta convince them to get it to this tower
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, start meeting about Monthly Ubuntu-ZA IRC meeting
[18:33]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:33] <Kilos> 100kb/s
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Welcome
[18:33] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcome
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, say hello
[18:33] <Maaz> hello
[18:33] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharp
[18:33] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[18:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Alrighty
[18:33] <charl_> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[18:33] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[18:33] <Kilos> Maaz, welcome
[18:33] <Maaz> Welcome to tonights meeting everyone
[18:33] <kbmonkey> welcome charl_ 
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Hello everybody and welcome to our monthly meeting!
[18:33] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:33] <Maaz> superfly: Done
[18:33] <kbmonkey> You can log your name with Maaz our memo robot by following our lead
[18:33] <kbmonkey> or you can lurk and watch...
[18:34]  * superfly will lurk and write code
[18:35] <Kilos> bduk1, now you can login 
[18:35] <Kilos> this is your first meet hey
[18:35] <Kilos> Vince-0, login time
[18:35] <bduk1> Yip not sure whats going on
[18:35] <kbmonkey> is nuvolari around?
[18:36] <Kilos> he said he would try
[18:36] <kbmonkey> bduk1, our robot Maaz takes a record of our meeting
[18:36] <superfly> bduk1: you say, Maaz, I am <full name>
[18:36] <Vince-0> Maaz, I'm Vincent Swart
[18:36] <Maaz> Vince-0: Excuse me?
[18:36] <Kilos> bduk1, you type in Maaz I am and give your name and id number
[18:36] <Kilos> haha
[18:36] <kbmonkey> so if you would like to give Maaz your name, or you don't have to, address her as "Maaz, my name is $USER"
[18:36] <bduk1> Maaz, im Barry du Koker
[18:36] <Maaz> bduk1: Huh?
[18:37] <Kilos> i am
[18:37] <Kilos> no shortcuts with bots
[18:37] <kbmonkey> the bot needs to go to grade school
[18:37] <bduk1> Ish
[18:37] <bduk1> Maaz, i am Barry du Koker
[18:37] <Maaz> bduk1: Done
[18:37] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am Vincent
[18:37] <Maaz> Vince-0: Yessir
[18:38] <Kilos> nuvolari, ping
[18:38] <kbmonkey> We can casually stroll through, people can join in any time 
[18:38] <Kilos> lol Vince-0 how many beers you had?
[18:38] <kbmonkey> hmmm beer. I had chai rooibos tea
[18:38] <Vince-0> *inbetween dota
[18:39] <Kilos> you  logged in twice
[18:39] <Kilos> haha
[18:40]  * Kilos wonders if ThatGraemeGuy gonna join us
[18:41] <superfly> even if ThatGraemeGuy just tells Maaz about himself ;-)
[18:41] <Kilos> cooweee ThatGraemeGuy 
[18:41] <hexdream> Maaz, I am Duncan
[18:41] <Maaz> hexdream: Done
[18:41] <kbmonkey> Right
[18:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh
[18:42] <Kilos> psychicist, you gonna login?
[18:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz, I am Graeme Donaldson
[18:42] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: Done
[18:42] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: now you can go again ;-)
[18:42] <kbmonkey> I think the cold is slowing everyone down Kilos 
[18:42] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, welcome to our monthly mee
[18:42] <Kilos> meet too
[18:42] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Review previous minutes
[18:42] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[18:42] <Kilos> haha @ superfly 
[18:43] <kbmonkey> The past two meets we mentioned the release of the RMS video recorded at UKZN
[18:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[18:44] <kbmonkey> Someone mentioned seeding the video as a torrent. Anybody remember who?
[18:44] <kbmonkey> Just like to get an update of that...
[18:44] <Kilos> Vince-0, is the man with that info
[18:45] <kbmonkey> the post to the video as direct download is http://durbanlinux.org.za/?p=292
[18:45] <kbmonkey> just wondering about that seed for those interested
[18:45] <Vince-0> http://durbanlinux.org.za/?p=292
[18:45] <Vince-0> it isn't available now, I
[18:45] <Vince-0> I
[18:46] <Vince-0> I'm uploading it
[18:46] <kbmonkey> thanks Vince-0 
[18:47] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Releases
[18:47] <Maaz> Current Topic: Releases
[18:48] <kbmonkey> who is on the Ubuntu 14.04 release, how is it treating you?
[18:48] <superfly> just upgraded the wife's Kubuntu
[18:48] <kbmonkey> I find moving windows is slow
[18:48] <superfly> kinda died halfway through... you'd think they'd know how to fix that by now
[18:49] <kbmonkey> The upgrade failed? ouch.
[18:49] <kbmonkey> I have spare data to update my 14.04 dual boot yipee
[18:49] <Kilos> im running unity and kde in 14.04. both work but unity isnt as good imo
[18:50] <kbmonkey> ja teething problems happen
[18:50] <Kilos> no man they are disabling stuff that worked before
[18:50] <Kilos> like the compose key option
[18:50] <kbmonkey> Also Mint 17, based on ubuntu, was released 
[18:51] <Kilos> little things only otherwise very stable
[18:51] <superfly> kbmonkey: nothing hectic this time, it booted up again, but I had to run a few -f install, upgrade and dist-upgrades to complete the upgrade
[18:51] <Kilos> eish superfly 
[18:52] <kbmonkey> I must say Mate is nice and it is a shame that Ubuntu does not have a Mate edition
[18:53] <Kilos> you like mate?
[18:53] <Kilos> gnome2
[18:53] <Kilos> thats a change i like to hear
[18:53] <kbmonkey> Indeed
[18:53] <Kilos> from crashbang
[18:54] <Kilos> gnome2 was very lekker
[18:55] <Kilos> superfly, 
[18:55] <kbmonkey> looking at the releases page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[18:56] <kbmonkey> I remember Intrepid Ibex, hehe :)
[18:56] <superfly> Kilos: ya?
[18:56] <Kilos> remember your check on the internet connections
[18:56] <superfly> haven't had time I'm afraid...
[18:56] <Kilos> is there maybe some way we can rev someone in za
[18:56] <superfly> I can barely get 3 seconds to myself
[18:57] <Kilos> ai!
[18:57] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Events
[18:57] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:58] <Kilos> maybe emailing the minister of communication stuff can rev someone
[18:58] <kbmonkey> do meetings in minetest count as events?
[18:58] <Kilos> YA
[18:58] <kbmonkey> 20th September is software freedom day, this one is on a Saturday!
[18:59] <kbmonkey> we should network all the regions with webcams 
[18:59] <kbmonkey> or irc at least
[18:59] <Kilos> irc yeah
[19:00] <hexdream> IRC is good but probably too "geeky" for joe public to appreciate.
[19:00] <Kilos> like maia used to do with ubuntu hours and release parties
[19:00] <Kilos> those with uncapped can do webcams
[19:00] <hexdream> Running familiarish stuff is more likely to get joe public to consider alternatives
[19:00] <charl_> won't the existing lugs organise something ?
[19:01] <charl_> i see this as an extension of what the lugs are doing
[19:01] <kbmonkey> yes charl_ 
[19:01] <charl_> regional events, irc is global
[19:01] <charl_> i mean i don't even live in za :)
[19:02] <Kilos> hi AndChat|99281 
[19:02] <charl_> my idea is that when regional things need to be organised like physical get-togethers the lugs should be involved
[19:02] <charl_> because they already have presence in a particular region
[19:03] <kbmonkey> an they will be but SFD is as much about celebrating together 
[19:04] <kbmonkey> Anyway it was just a thought.
[19:06] <kbmonkey> anyone in Durban keen for an Ubuntu hour on Sunday?
[19:06] <Kilos> Private_User, how come you dont login??
[19:10] <hexdream> @kbmonkey what did you have in mind for Sunday?
[19:11] <Kilos> hexdream, we dont use @ on irc
[19:11] <kbmonkey> @kilos why not?
[19:11] <hexdream> My bad. I suppose I better not # things up.
[19:11] <Kilos> with @ there he dosnt get an alert
[19:12] <Kilos> no man just different ways of doing things
[19:12] <kbmonkey> I got a highlight :)
[19:12] <Trixar_za> So I figured out my problem
[19:12] <Kilos> with the @ kbmonkey ?
[19:12] <superfly> Trixar_za: which one? :-P
[19:12] <Trixar_za> All I needed to do was pass self to the external parser.
[19:13] <kbmonkey> hexdream, not sure, the gloria jeans in gateway is pretty nice. they have couches!
[19:13] <Trixar_za> My little bug in how I was using my custom library
[19:13] <kbmonkey> Kilos, yes with the @.
[19:13] <Trixar_za> Still throws an error when I try closing the socket though - lol :P
[19:13] <Kilos> wow
[19:13] <Trixar_za> But... it exits cleanly, so no worries
[19:13] <Kilos> i didnt get a bloep
[19:14] <hexdream> So Kilos, what is the right way? @kbmonkey  I'm in, barring the unforseen.
[19:14] <kbmonkey> anyways we can work out details later
[19:14] <Kilos> just the nick hexdream 
[19:14] <kbmonkey> okay hexdream are you on the mailing list?
[19:14] <hexdream> ah. Thanks. Been a looong time since I spent time on irc. 
[19:15] <kbmonkey> @_@
[19:15] <hexdream> Which mailing list kbmonkey? the leadlug one?
[19:15] <kbmonkey> the ubuntu-za list
[19:15] <Trixar_za> superfly: This is what I'm working on - http://trixarian.net/downloads/lulz.zip
[19:15] <Trixar_za> I need a better name for it
[19:15] <kbmonkey> no worries I can always send to the dbn-lug list too and maybe get some crossover interest
[19:16] <hexdream> I must verify that I'm on the list. Whats the link again kbmonkey
[19:16] <Kilos> hexdream, http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[19:16] <hexdream> ta
[19:17] <kbmonkey> http://ubuntu-za.org/get-involved
[19:17] <kbmonkey> wow Kilos on the ball
[19:17] <hexdream> :-)
[19:17] <Kilos> i see it in the topic bar
[19:17] <kbmonkey> ah
[19:17] <Kilos> thanks to the pro
[19:18] <kbmonkey> excellent!
[19:18] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[19:18] <kbmonkey> Right one more item I want to mention...
[19:19] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic GnuPG
[19:19] <Maaz> Current Topic: GnuPG
[19:19] <inetpro> . 
[19:19] <kbmonkey> The FSF created this nice guide how to set up GnuPG for your emails, there is a neat info-graphic for sharing too! 
[19:19] <Trixar_za> Oh, is it a meeting? Oo
[19:19] <kbmonkey> https://u.fsf.org/yu
[19:19] <Kilos> wb inetpro login time
[19:19] <kbmonkey> yes, hi Trixar_za :)
[19:20] <kbmonkey> the FSF article walks you through email self-defense by setting up GPG for your email
[19:20] <kbmonkey> https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/infographic.html
[19:20] <Kilos> kbmonkey, whats that for
[19:21] <kbmonkey> just fsf promotion Kilos 
[19:21] <kbmonkey> Free Software Foundation
[19:21] <Kilos> no man the email thing
[19:24] <kbmonkey> Kilos, exactly that.
[19:24] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Closing & elect next chair
[19:24] <Maaz> Current Topic: Closing & elect next chair
[19:25] <kbmonkey> Anything extra to add?
[19:25]  * Kilos says kbmonkey for next chair
[19:25] <kbmonkey> awe thanks Kilos 
[19:25] <Kilos> its your job my man
[19:26] <kbmonkey> I vote myself seeing as the rest of the room has frozen below 0 :)
[19:26] <Kilos> lol
[19:26] <Trixar_za> Yeah, me too - mostly because the rest of us is too lazy to do it
[19:26] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed Wesley to chair next meeting.
[19:26] <Maaz> Agreed: Wesley to chair next meeting
[19:26] <kbmonkey> that will be 22nd Julyl?
[19:26] <kbmonkey> July?
[19:27] <inetpro> kbmonkey: correct 
[19:27] <Kilos> ty for chairing kbmonkey 
[19:28] <kbmonkey> Great thank you everyone. The meeting minutes link coming up next...
[19:28] <kbmonkey> Maaz, end meeting
[19:28] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:28] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-06-24-18-31-28.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-06-24-18-31-28.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-06-24-18-31-28.html
[19:30] <kbmonkey> updating wiki and making next page
[19:30] <kbmonkey> btw Kilos that new server works fast!
[19:31] <Kilos> cool
[19:33] <kbmonkey> next: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140722
[19:33] <kbmonkey> the email thing Kilos ? the fsf thing?
[19:34] <Kilos> email
[19:34] <kbmonkey> email?
[19:35] <Kilos> ya what self defence is needed
[19:36] <kbmonkey> This guide will teach you a basic surveillance self-defense skill: email encryption. Once you've finished, you'll be able to send and receive emails that are coded to make sure that a surveillance agent or thief that intercepts your email can't read it.
[19:37] <Kilos> ah
[19:37] <kbmonkey> because emails are like postcards: not sealed.
[19:38] <Kilos> ok ill look at that then
[19:38] <Kilos> ty
[19:38] <kbmonkey> also you can SIGN an email to prove you sent it. So you won't fall victim to a scam if somebody impersonates you.
[19:38] <kbmonkey> I am so tired phew
[19:39] <kbmonkey> worked late and missed supper. whoops!
[19:40] <Kilos> yip lets go sleep
[19:40] <Kilos> warmer in bed
[19:40] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:40] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey 
[19:40] <kbmonkey> thing is the brain is all hotwired from work
[19:41] <kbmonkey> it is like I  live in the matrix
[19:41] <Kilos> think of waves crashing on the beach
[19:41] <Kilos> forget other stuff when its bedtime
[19:41] <kbmonkey> true that!
[19:42] <Kilos> counting sheep dont help
[19:42] <Kilos> you just learn to count better
[19:42] <kbmonkey> hehe
[19:42] <Kilos> good sheep farmers can count mixed by 4's and 5's
[19:43] <Kilos> as sheep run past them. thats amazing
[19:43] <Kilos> hexdream, make this a regular channel for you
[19:43] <kbmonkey> that is skill
[19:44] <Kilos> ty for joining us
[19:44] <Kilos> its unbeleivable to watch them kbmonkey 
[19:44] <kbmonkey> going to calm down and hit the hay soon
[19:44] <Kilos> sleep tight guys
[19:44] <Kilos> we missed maia tonight
[19:44] <kbmonkey> ja
[19:44] <kbmonkey> and nuvo
[19:45] <Kilos> ya
[19:45] <hexdream> kilos: Will do. Wil see what clients I can load on my ubuntu and android
[19:45] <hexdream> kilos: suggestions?
[19:45] <Kilos> clients for?
[19:45] <Kilos> irc?
[19:45] <hexdream> irc. Can't do the web thing all the time
[19:46] <hexdream> I know there are plenty out there.
[19:46] <Kilos> on unity hexchat
[19:46] <Kilos> and on kde konversation
[19:46] <Kilos> others use quassel
[19:46] <Trixar_za> I would probably also recommend KvIRC on Qt systems
[19:46] <kbmonkey> on android there is Andchat
[19:46] <hexdream> haha. hexchat is well named for me :-p
[19:46] <kbmonkey> :D
[19:46] <Kilos> its in ubuntu repos
[19:47] <Kilos> so aptitude install hexchat
[19:47] <kbmonkey> hexchat is in the Debian repos too
[19:48] <hexdream> Thanks for all the suggestions. Will poke them with a sharp stick
[19:48] <kbmonkey> I use irssi 
[19:48] <kbmonkey> that is why I get @highlights Kilos ;)
[19:48] <Trixar_za> nuvolari would probably recommend weechat
[19:48] <Trixar_za> :P
[19:48] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you even used pidgin for irc didn't you?
[19:49] <Kilos> yes in the beginning but then dcc dont work
[19:49] <kbmonkey> but you'd want a real irc chat client 
[19:49] <Trixar_za> We have way too many choices for an IRC client :P
[19:49] <Kilos> hexchat
[19:49] <Kilos> same as xchat was
[19:49]  * Trixar_za is listening to: Hot Air Balloon by Owl City
[19:50] <kbmonkey> sockets ;)
[19:50] <Trixar_za> hehehe
[19:50] <Trixar_za> I originally wrote the script that this script was forked off of
[19:50] <Kilos> i go see minetest quick then bed
[19:50] <Trixar_za> And I rewrote part of the current codebase to suit my needs
[19:50] <Kilos> night
[19:50] <kbmonkey> ha ha he's addicted
[19:50] <kbmonkey> having such a hard time with css positioning :/
[19:51] <kbmonkey> why would a div reposition itself just from the amount of text inside of it. gaarg.
[19:57] <hexdream> OK, hexchat up and running. Will try the rest another time.
[19:57] <kbmonkey> that is a good start hexdream.
[19:58] <kbmonkey> don't know hexchat but it is based on xchat which I know well, so thumbs up
[19:58] <hexdream> Thank  kbmonkey Hmm. OK, waay too late for me. Going to head for bed soon. Give me a shout on email/ g+ about sunday.
[19:59] <kbmonkey> sure hexdream thanks for stopping by!
[19:59] <kbmonkey> also need to go to bed
[19:59] <kbmonkey> gnite all
[19:59] <kbmonkey> Maaz, good night
[19:59] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Bye
[19:59] <hexdream> Thanks, and goodnight all.
[20:01]  * kbmonkey detaches for some Zzzs
[20:02] <kbmonkey> nite!
[20:02] <Vince-0> nite!