[05:03] bbrrrrrr [05:03] mmm mmm mma morning all [05:21] Morning everyone [05:22] hi bduk [05:22] sjoe ek kry koud man [05:22] Hoe gaan dit jou kant Kilos ? Neeman lekker vanmore [05:23] man al die water buite is geys [05:23] ge ys [05:23] ek nie n pikkewyn nie [05:24] So?? [06:08] mornings [06:08] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:11] how's the cotton production going Kilos? [06:11] havent looked yet ThatGraemeGuy just updating/upgrading [06:11] ah [06:12] mirror very slow today 655 B/s at times [06:13] medthinks it must be a bit broken [06:13] try another one [06:14] o/ mornings everyone [06:14] ya i will but i looked at what was in partial in archives and using synaptic to reinstall them all and too much work to set that up again [06:14] hi nuvolari [06:14] Kilos: http://askubuntu.com/a/9035 [06:15] cool ty will save that info, will need it when i install server [06:16] one cant change it midstream of getting stuff methinks [06:16] you can change mirrors whenever you want [06:17] well not if you mean you are actively downloading, no [06:17] you need to change mirrors and then apt-get update [06:17] ya but then you gotta apt-get update and what synaptic is busy with will surely be interfered with? [06:18] you won't be able to update if you're busy [06:18] ah [06:18] synaptic is just a pretty front-end for apt anyway [06:18] yes but nice to use to reinstall different things at once [06:18] and if any apt tool is busy it creates a lock so that no other apt tools can do anything until its done [06:20] but our mirror very sick 226B/s now [06:20] then stop what you're doing and change to use the way they do it in that link i posted [06:20] its supposed to select the fastest mirror [06:22] ya but synaptic is busy and the partials are different files some gvfs some gnome som gir etc [06:23] so ill let it finish then do the fastest mirror bit [06:23] ok then sit and wait all day for it to finish at speeds dial-up users would be frustrated with :) [06:23] lol man i can talk to you fine still [06:23] rest of pc is still going [06:24] talking to me doesn't help your updates complete any faster ;-p [06:24] ya but takes my mind off the frustration [06:24] hehe [06:24] so does cotton farming :) [06:24] oh ya i can go see cotton so long [06:25] i decided i'm going to develop my house a bit more and use my basement as central station for a network of underground tunnels [06:25] first one will link up underneath the pyramid [06:26] will get started sometime [06:26] cool but mark them [06:26] yeah i'll have signs [06:26] i was thinking of doing similar with the roads that are up in the sky at places [06:26] tunnel them through mountains [06:27] yeah [06:27] i've fallen off sky roads more than once [06:27] i tend to run along the ground and just use the road for guidance [06:28] also the web map has helped a lot, i don't get lost that easily anymore [06:28] something funny here. the is a mine near my cotton and i built it closed last night ,and its open again [06:29] maybe someone is still using it and re-opened it [06:29] read the source, are they fixtures you cant change [06:29] haha [06:29] ya but who [06:29] fixtures you cant change? what do you mean? [06:30] i mean is it something written in that that hole must be there [06:30] no [06:31] oh and when you look at source again please look at sheep in relation to lifespan [06:31] i had that happen a while ago, i had mined out a nice stairway and when i came back the next day it was gone, and mese i had already mined re-appeared [06:31] eish [06:31] how do you mean lifespan? they don't die as far as i know [06:31] ya they just disappear [06:31] or maybe they do i haven't noticed [06:31] ah ok [06:32] i don't really pay attention to them, they're worthless to me [06:32] we been catching them inna pen and they dont stay there [06:32] i don't have that mod anyway, can't look at the code [06:32] with cotton they less use to me too [06:32] i have a different one with cows and chickens and other animals [06:33] wow [06:33] so what is important now [06:34] how do you mean? [06:38] sorry was afk [06:38] i mean getting a fast local host going hehe [06:39] oh [06:39] maybe sometime [06:39] the world we have now is nicely developed already though [06:40] thought of getting a server but its R900/month, too rich for my budget [06:40] we don't get any perks on that stuff, only on shared hosting [06:41] im thinking about what we spoke about other day [06:41] remind me? [06:41] lets say i have a dual core 3g pc with 2g ram and install server and minetest [06:42] and connect it to an adsl line [06:42] and just give ip addy to certain peeps [06:42] you mean the adsl line you can't get where you live? :P [06:42] that should be very fast shouldnt it [06:42] no idea [06:43] man lets say i send you the pc to put on your adsl line [06:43] i can try and run it on my pc at home, but that's got an atom CPU, not sure how well it would work [06:43] i'm not running some dual core monstrosity permanently, electricity is expensive [06:43] that' [06:43] that's why i have an atom-based pc :) [06:43] im trying to figure a way to eliminate all the mess that comes with online hosts [06:44] there is no mess [06:44] it just costs money [06:44] lets say at work in a corner man [06:44] hosting it at home also costs money in the form of more expensive adsl and more electricity usage [06:44] forget the where and see if its practical [06:44] you cannot forget the where [06:45] we can ask zuma to plug it in at nkanla i think its called [06:45] who's paying for the electricity and bandwidth? [06:45] heh [06:45] yeah do that [06:46] cotton looking good [06:46] but lots didnt grow [06:46] will replant [06:47] what is an attom based pc [06:47] atom [06:48] i read somewhere someone set up some pc. maybe it was atom and used R7 electricity in over a month [06:48] Maaz: google intel atom [06:48] ThatGraemeGuy: "Intel® Atom™ Processor" http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/atom/atom-processor.html :: "Intel® Atom™ Processor - ARK" http://ark.intel.com/products/family/29035/Intel-Atom-Processor :: "Intel Atom (CPU) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom_(CPU) :: "List of Intel Atom microprocessors - [06:48] Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microproces… [06:49] morning [06:49] hi Squirm [06:49] i see web africa has virtual servers starting at R99/month [06:49] i'll try that, it's not terribly expensive [06:49] ok [06:50] im sure a pc dont use R99 electricity a month [06:50] only 1gb of ram but might be enough even [06:51] the fly ram a p2 as a server with 256 ram and he said it worked fine [06:51] but i spose no game on it [06:51] not sure how memory hungry minetest is though [06:52] n ow i go let real sheep out [06:52] wbb [07:23] oh when them cotton balls get rotten, you can pick very much cotton [07:24] lol [07:25] i've been meaning to signpost my field "Them old cotton fields back home" [07:25] hahaha [07:27] i ordered a virtual server from web africa [07:27] R1/month for the first 2 months [07:28] that's a 2GB ram allocation, i'll see about limiting minetest server to get an idea if it can run with just 1GB, then i'll downgrade to a 1GB VM after the 2 month promotion is over [07:29] ok [07:29] R1 a month for 2 months then Rpp? [07:29] 299 [07:29] R99 [07:29] but the 1GB one is R99 [07:29] R299 [07:30] i think 1GB is ok, but the promotion is only for the 2GB so might as well get it so long [07:30] ok [07:34] afrihost the mtn buddies? [07:34] yes mtn bought a controlling share of them [07:34] and their adsl network is built on mtn for the last couple of years [07:35] hi Kilos [07:35] hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:35] Kilos, happy belated birthday [07:35] hi drussell [07:35] hi psyatw [07:36] ty lad [07:36] I haven't been here much lately, life catching up with me, I guess [07:36] bad boy [07:36] meeting tonight [07:36] hehe [07:36] I may actually be able to attend then [07:40] 'lo psyatw [07:44] so ThatGraemeGuy you got wool in the give away bin? [07:44] bin/bucket/basket/chest [07:46] my wool is locked away :P [07:46] i haven't decided yet what i'm using it for [08:02] oi [08:02] sell to me man [08:02] ill give gold [08:02] havent found a use for gold [08:03] no matter what host or server we use we gotta try keep this game going. dunno if you can copy the database or what [08:04] too much work and data to start from scratch [08:08] you'll have to ping superfly about that [08:08] its his database [08:08] he will im sure [08:14] hmm... ThatGraemeGuy can one drive do 2 jobs? as in run server alongside a working os [08:15] there is so much wrong with that question :) [08:15] oh [08:15] can you fix it? [08:16] i assume you mean minetest server when you say "server"? [08:16] not in virtual mode i mean but on its own partition [08:16] no server server [08:16] ubuntu srver [08:17] a server is nothing special, just a machine that's job happens to be running certain things that people can connect to [08:17] do you mean running a "server" on your existing disk alongside your normal tasks? that's virtualisation [08:18] whew [08:19] oh so if i install alongside will it still work as a server even though im in the gui system [08:20] i think you are confusing yourself with terminology [08:20] say you have 1 hard disk [08:20] or will it wanna choose at boot which one to use [08:20] you create just 1 partition and install ubuntu. doesn't matter if it's "server" or "desktop" that's not really relevant to anything except your intended use [08:21] so are you asking if you can have multiple partitions on the disk, each with its own self-contained O/S? [08:21] yes [08:21] yes, you can, and when you boot, grub will ask you which one you want to boot [08:22] and until you reboot, you are only using whichever one you selected [08:22] if you are in the gui system will the server still be usable as a separate server [08:22] oh [08:22] so useless with server on same drive [08:23] on same machine even no good [08:23] no, if you boot the O/S on /dev/sda1 (example), then only that 1 operating system is active [08:23] sigh [08:23] ok ty [08:23] if you want to run another O/S at the same time then that's what virtualisation is for [08:23] ya but thats slow [08:23] so not an option [08:24] then the "hard disk" for the virtual machine is just a normal file as far as your "main" o/s is concerned [08:24] whoever told you that doesn't know what they are talking about [08:24] what? [08:24] that its slow [08:24] i tried virtual box before and it was slow running other systems [08:25] if you have a good amount of RAM and don't allocate too much to your VMs it is fine [08:25] then you did something weird, virtualisation is not slow in and of itself [08:25] this too much brain work ill install server on old pc [08:26] just gotta fight router [08:26] k [11:41] Kilos: my vm is ready just upgrading it to 14.04 before i do anything else [11:41] i got my minetest config prepped with some other mods as well, we can see how it goes [11:42] should have it ready by tonight if you want to try and test speed [11:43] wow that was quick ThatGraemeGuy [11:43] let me know ill try it [11:44] i been cooking and catching some uv's [11:44] careful, not too many UVs :) [11:45] tvl uvs are weak this time of the year [11:46] aw mouse jammed at bottom of screen again forgot to stay by minetest till open [11:47] esc dont release it so will reboot with cli [11:53] ohi superfly [11:53] hi Kilos [11:54] Kilos: what happens if you press ESC in the game? [11:54] it opens the thing to logout and other stuff [11:55] weird [11:55] sounds like some other key is stuck, alt/ctrl maybe [11:55] or windows key [11:55] but if the game is busy opening and i come to irc then mouse disappears [11:55] i will try that next time i forget [11:56] minetest steals the mouse [11:56] grrr [11:57] it does for me too, but if i press ESC it pauses, goes to a menu-like screen and releases the mouse [11:58] wow even if you in another app? [11:58] i'm not sure i follow [11:58] like hexchat or pidgin [11:59] if i start minetest it captures the mouse, but if i press ESC i get it back [11:59] i have to wait till minetest is open then esc then go to pidgin or hexchat [11:59] mmm [11:59] ya but open minetest and before its logged in then come here [11:59] sounds right i guess i don't understand the problem then [12:00] its only if i come here before minetest is actually logged in [12:01] still don't understand what you are on about [12:01] then im chatting here and cant use the mouse because its locked to minetest [12:01] oh, weird [12:01] try alt+tab until minetest is active, then ESX [12:01] ESC even [12:02] and minetest is on workspace 2 and hexchat is on workspace 8 [12:02] yeah, you've lost me [12:02] then i cant use the mouse to switch workspaces [12:03] do you use only one workspace/desktop [12:03] typically, yes [12:03] never seen the value in using workspaces [12:05] i have 10. one for evolution , one for pidgin, one for hexchat 1 for terminal running iftop and another terminal and browser on one and minetest on one [12:05] i have a taskbar and alt+tab keys :) [12:06] alt +tab gives me the choice of only 3 of them it doesnt switch from one to the other [12:06] ok, good luck then [12:06] i have no idea what's going on there [12:07] it pops up a little window with choices and its never the minetest one so i can go there and hiy escape to release the mouse [12:08] its unity, gnome2 spoiled me with the workspace switcher [12:08] i don't know unity but if you keep pressing tab you probably eventually get to what you need [12:09] unless the alt+tab under unity doesn't include all your workspaces [12:09] oh alt+tab then tab tab tab? [12:09] unity is a joke imho [12:09] keep holding alt, and tab tab tab [12:09] cool will try that next time [12:09] ty [12:10] the prob with unity is that noobs all get there first and if i cant see it in front of me i cant help them [12:10] otherwise id stay with kde only [12:10] meh [12:11] we can't all help with everything, you should use what makes sense for you [12:11] my imagination image maker thing dont work [12:11] i cant picture things [12:14] see them in my imagination that is [12:14] hehe [12:14] got a broken pipe [12:19] man release upgrades take forever [12:22] yay first cotton harvest done [12:24] cool [12:25] how big did you make your field? i usually get enough strings from a harvest to make 60-70 wool [12:25] 2 fields quite big i think [12:26] will see when finished harvest second one [12:27] 4x99 and 1x19 string [12:28] nice [12:33] 99 wool [12:33] fly will be happy [12:40] i think he's done with the sails [12:40] maybe he can start a new ship [12:40] lol [12:40] build a huge ocean for it :-D [12:40] lag min today. it opens as fast as i walk to the deep [12:48] there now i got cotton growing at the deep as well [12:48] w00t [12:50] cotton be lekker , easier than chasing after sheep [12:52] Kilos: one of the modules i've messed with adds trasure chests [12:52] treasure too [12:52] they generate randomly and contain some random stuff [12:52] lekker thats for gold that has no use [12:52] the deeper you find them the more valuable the stuff in it becomes [12:53] ah thats cool [12:53] so at the surface it might have some wood, and basic tools, but at -300 you might find one with some diamonds or mese [12:53] pretty cool [12:54] ya [12:57] ThatGraemeGuy, log off minetest [12:57] database coming [12:58] the flys one that is [12:58] Kilos: he's not logged on, but you are :-P [12:58] im off [12:58] sorry i forgot he was on his new one [12:58] not now, i have this work thing to attend to [12:58] ah, there we go [12:59] or we can do it later this evening, when ThatGraemeGuy is home [12:59] yes, better [12:59] ya that will be cool , gives me time to get more wool [12:59] hehe [12:59] or we can wait until we see if a local server even helps the issue [12:59] ok [13:00] i actually got to do some farm stuff too [13:00] superfly: do you know how much memory your server uses? [13:00] minetest process i mean [13:00] I'll check quickly for you [13:01] i got a WA vm that's 2GB, they have a deal where its R1/month for first 2 months [13:01] after that R299 [13:01] but a 1GB vm is only R99 [13:01] so if 1GB would be enough i'm happy to keep paying that [13:02] yes, 1 GB should be enough [13:02] cool [13:02] I think minetest usually sits at about 400-500 megs when everyone is on [13:02] i think we can let kilos test it out a bit before we move it over, yes? [13:03] and then if it works ok we can sort out access with ssh keys etc [13:06] sure [13:07] I'm at home today, let me know when you want the world [13:07] only get time for that sort of thing after 8 or so [13:08] suppertimebathtimestorytimebedtimepleasejustonemorestorypleaseokyesnowreallybedtime [13:08] etc [13:16] lol [13:17] the joys of parenthood [13:18] :) [13:19] ThatGraemeGuy: Wow, you too?! :-P [13:19] yup, every night :) [13:29] for me it's 9pm. Eldest goes to bed at 8, youngest doesn't usually hit the hay before 9 [13:29] meeting tonight [13:30] 20.30 [13:30] inetpro, ping [14:16] Kilos: pong [14:16] hi inetpro meeting tonight hey [14:16] no excuses [14:16] hmm... if I pop in it might be late [14:17] oh my wassup [14:17] other commitments [14:17] sorry [14:17] oi [14:17] its ok ill get you back [14:17] hehe [14:44] superfly: still here? [14:47] ThatGraemeGuy: yep [14:48] keep seeing stuff that say "player X moved too fast" seems related to some anti-cheating stuff, did you turn that off? [14:48] every time it happens, i just transported back in time a few seconds [14:49] uh s/just/get [14:49] nope [14:49] mmmkay [14:50] let me see [14:50] Hi guys [14:50] hi AndChat|99281 [14:51] How do i change my nick superfly [14:52] /nick newnick [14:53] hi AndChat|99281 who you? [14:54] welcome to ubuntu-za if you need linux help you in the right place [14:54] No thatgraemguy doesnt work. Hi kilos its bduk from my tab [14:55] it works for me, why not you? === AndChat|99281 is now known as bduk1 [14:55] ah [14:55] Ok doesnt want bduk must put 1 at r [14:55] At the end [14:56] Is the meeting tonight [14:56] yip [14:56] 20.30 [14:56] Time [14:56] hmm... [14:56] 20.30 [14:56] Ill try to make it [14:57] cool [14:58] inetpro, G+ dint even say anything about the meeting [14:58] grrr [14:59] nor twitter [15:12] Where,s the meeting tonight kilos [15:28] bduk1: here [15:29] hmm... [15:29] skop mazal and get him to attend as well [15:35] I thought it was at soeones house now i cant join. I already told my wife ill be out tonight [15:36] Kilos im not near mazal now [15:38] lol [15:38] yes you can go to superfly s house [15:40] Only joking [15:40] bduk1, dont use our meeting as an excuse to go jolling [15:40] just tell her youll be outa comms with her for 1 hour but youll stay at home to keep her safe [15:42] Dont like to go out at nights anymore. These days you have to work during the day and play security at night [15:43]